Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty seven,
Speaker 1: Episode one up to daily production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep guy
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. Is Monday, Joe, I Holy Cow,
Speaker 1: which of course means it is to five. You know,
Speaker 1: Hot Budge Sunday Day, Hot Fudge Sunday Day. Yeah, Hot
Speaker 1: Fudge Sunday Day. And it's also Merry Go Round Day. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm about to be on a Merry Go Round on
Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore on the boards just there you go,
Speaker 1: seeing of the crime where my friend and I when
Speaker 1: we were take a mushrooms went up there like it
Speaker 1: was like late season Jersey Shore, so it wasn't like
Speaker 1: packed with kids. But then we just like rode this
Speaker 1: Merry Go Round and laughed at the top of our
Speaker 1: lungs and people were scared. Very strange. Now I can't
Speaker 1: look at that Merry Go Round without thinking about that. Anyways.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien a k. Jackie Philly. Back again.
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Speaker 1: cook it through, not to burn, not too soft. That
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Speaker 1: never skipped a beat, No, never, I'd never skipped a beat.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Never Well, I'm thrilled to be joined as
Speaker 1: always by my co host Mr Miles Gray. Tuna eight
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Speaker 1: People are people, shout out St. Louis's DJ at DJ
Speaker 1: Uptown STL representing three one four to the fullest. I'd
Speaker 1: imagine I've yet I believe it is anyway, thank you
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Speaker 1: you con I have more? I have I have a
Speaker 1: couple more that are so many more of your tevas off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Christie I'm a Gucci Man Ninja Turtles one was
Speaker 1: just awesome. That one was good to St. Louis's didya,
Speaker 1: I don't do no sh This has been activating people's creativity,
Speaker 1: so I, like I said, keep keep bringing it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see it. There's just something about learning
Speaker 1: that you've been eating turtle your whole life, assuming you
Speaker 1: ate the tuna sandwich at subway, which I think we
Speaker 1: all did um or have had tunas out of of
Speaker 1: any stripe, right, because it's not just Subway, No, it's
Speaker 1: like anyone who's doing that way of like if it's
Speaker 1: not like Pole and line Cot, they're just being like
Speaker 1: scoop out to see man, whatever is in there. You know. Look,
Speaker 1: we're trying to get most of it out out to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: scoop to see it. Scoop out to sea. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: scooped out to sea. Give a little scoop and um,
Speaker 1: you know it's gross. Well, we are thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined in our third seat by a brilliant anti racism educator, activist, writer,
Speaker 1: creator of the acclaimed podcast White Homework. It's Tory Williams Douglass. Hi.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to see all of
Speaker 1: you again. This is so exciting. Back. I really I
Speaker 1: try to do I try to do like the Monday
Speaker 1: ones because like I really like Monday because I'm weird.
Speaker 1: So I'm really happy to be here. Yeah you really
Speaker 1: like anti Garfield? Yeah, what is it about? Please let
Speaker 1: me into your freaky world, the anti Garfield in your thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I mean, it's it's also that's also not wrong, um,
Speaker 1: because it was like having like an office job, like
Speaker 1: you show up on Monday Day and you know you
Speaker 1: usually have like your Monday morning meeting or you know
Speaker 1: some like time waster. But for me, I was like
Speaker 1: it gives me an opportunity to put everything on the calendar,
Speaker 1: like everything that I need to, like my whole to
Speaker 1: do list, like any projects like updating people. I just
Speaker 1: do all of that stuff first, so then I have
Speaker 1: a really good grasp on like what I need to
Speaker 1: get done, what I'm capable of getting done during the week.
Speaker 1: What's your least favorite day of the week. I know
Speaker 1: Friday right now Thursday because Thursday is when my kids
Speaker 1: go back to their dad's house. So I guess it's
Speaker 1: really sad. Yeah, well, look like do you get stressed
Speaker 1: out ahead of Monday and then like Monday allows you
Speaker 1: to have that like like get all this ship on
Speaker 1: the calendar or because that's what That's what happens with me,
Speaker 1: is like I build up my work week. I get
Speaker 1: a lot of stress on Sunday, like as the weekend
Speaker 1: is coming to a close, and then my day comes
Speaker 1: and I'm actually able to do something about it. And
Speaker 1: that that is a good feeling. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like Sunday scarys isn't super thing that
Speaker 1: I get. But again, like I'm I'm weird, so I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten the Sunday scary since. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: started this job working from home. No, no, like just
Speaker 1: when I left Conde Nast to work with you know,
Speaker 1: jack and Anna like back in the Stuff Media or
Speaker 1: whatever it was called back then. That's because I was like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: I like what I do, like a lot of the
Speaker 1: time when I didn't like what I did, or you know,
Speaker 1: Jackie's got the way of the whole network on his shoulders,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a little bit more difficult,
Speaker 1: but I get like that. Yeah, I feel like i've
Speaker 1: because I've found that like place where I can I
Speaker 1: really enjoy what I do, which is very fortunate that
Speaker 1: since that doesn't quite happens, like it all goes away
Speaker 1: when I record this show though, so oh so much
Speaker 1: opening in recording the show, you guys, like, that's the
Speaker 1: real thing I've been thinking about that I've been on
Speaker 1: enough to notice that that's a pattern. I do have
Speaker 1: to ask you how you feel about Lasagna because if
Speaker 1: you if you love Mondays, it should follow that you lasagna.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not my favorite, but na, I'll take
Speaker 1: it all right. We're gonna get to know you a
Speaker 1: little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: our listeners a couple of things that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We are bringing on super producer Tricia mccoergee to tell
Speaker 1: us what is what what we can be taking from
Speaker 1: the pro abortion activists in Latin America. And yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's a great story. We're gonna talk about America's toilet problem,
Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Tory, we'd like
Speaker 1: to ask our guest, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 1: So the other day I got a Katy Perry song
Speaker 1: stuck in my head, and so I was like, weirdly
Speaker 1: since the last couple of days, like googling Katy Perry,
Speaker 1: which is very odd, but what is that? Okay? So
Speaker 1: so okay, So, like I grew up evangelical, right, so
Speaker 1: I was away in the Christian music, and so Katie
Speaker 1: also grew up evangelical, like her parents are pastors and whatever,
Speaker 1: and so you know when she was well, I mean
Speaker 1: we were like at the same age. Yeah, when we
Speaker 1: were like sixteen, I think her seventeen, she went on
Speaker 1: tour with someone from like this really big Christian rock band.
Speaker 1: I know, this is a contradiction in terms, and um, anyways,
Speaker 1: really big and Christian rock. Is that the contradiction in terms?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I like, I like got to hang
Speaker 1: out with her for a little bit, like before the
Speaker 1: show started. Oh and I don't know why this all
Speaker 1: like came back to me, but I got this song
Speaker 1: stuck in my head and it was hot and cold,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, I should go back
Speaker 1: and listen to the album and like that still slaps.
Speaker 1: And then I remembered one time I was driving where
Speaker 1: I was on a road trip to l A. And
Speaker 1: it was like my turn of d J. So I
Speaker 1: put on that album. It's like her first big album.
Speaker 1: Her first album was like this little Christian indie rock
Speaker 1: thing that you know, she's always been fucking talented, and
Speaker 1: so I like, I put on her first album, One
Speaker 1: of the Boys. And so the second song on there
Speaker 1: is I Kissed a Girl, and um, so one of
Speaker 1: the people that was in the car was like, this
Speaker 1: is making me really uncomfortable, and so they turned it
Speaker 1: off and put on a sermon instead. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like it was it was really major whiplash. It was like,
Speaker 1: we need to listen to something edifying. You guys, like
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with the gay agenda because we
Speaker 1: all know how gay Katy Perry is. All right, yeah
Speaker 1: so gay um and anyway, Yeah so then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've just been like googling stuff about her and watching
Speaker 1: all of her music videos. Makes no sense, but I've
Speaker 1: been having fun and my pore neighbors get to listen
Speaker 1: to me saying really loudly all day. I've never really
Speaker 1: put it together that she then married Russell Brand. Who
Speaker 1: isn't Russell Brand like one of those like that's right,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in God, mate? Can you handle it? Like,
Speaker 1: isn't he like one of those like out and proud
Speaker 1: like atheists who like wants to virtuality? Okay, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I have him confused with Ricky commis organized religion, because
Speaker 1: I mean he had that like Christopher Hitchens, if he
Speaker 1: was like a like a like a roadie for a
Speaker 1: rock band on Heroin kind of like perspective's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought his thing was was that he
Speaker 1: was like Hitchens so contrarian now, like I can't even
Speaker 1: like listen to my no no, yeah, yeah, I give up.
Speaker 1: Yeah that does that is the pendulum would swing that way.
Speaker 1: And this is my new husband. I don't kissed the
Speaker 1: girl and married an atheist motherfucker's and what I just
Speaker 1: like that. The person you're in the car was like,
Speaker 1: it's making me so uncomfortable. The idea of a girl
Speaker 1: having agency and like doing stuff that she wants. Can
Speaker 1: we liten? Was something about Adam and even original sin women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Yeah that
Speaker 1: all that, all that, Yeah, there was. It was his
Speaker 1: mouth to your ears, from God's mouth to your mouth.
Speaker 1: I kissed God. I think I liked it, but I
Speaker 1: think that song would be more offensive to that person
Speaker 1: if it was I kissed a girl, I kissed God
Speaker 1: and I liked it, right, like the kids Bop Christian
Speaker 1: version of the song. I liked it. His whiskers were
Speaker 1: a little bit much, but it was still okay. My
Speaker 1: swordid soul he saved it like nice, nice, they must
Speaker 1: have that, right Christian Christian Bob Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of covers of of secular quote unquote
Speaker 1: songs that get turned into like Christian songs. I was
Speaker 1: listening to somebody I was at a bar, like outside
Speaker 1: at a bar, No COVID for me please, and um
Speaker 1: the person like there was some live music in the
Speaker 1: first who started playing this cover of love song by
Speaker 1: The Cure And I was like, how can nobody has
Speaker 1: turned this into a worship song? Like this is this
Speaker 1: is like straight up a worship song, Like right, what
Speaker 1: is happening right now? Because at first, my buddy Ray
Speaker 1: she was like, this is I'm so uncomfortable the lyrics
Speaker 1: of this, like this person as a stalker, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, it's about Jesus. It's fine. You surround
Speaker 1: yourself with people who are very disturbed by music that
Speaker 1: sounds like I guess that's true. This is also a
Speaker 1: pattern God fearing Al Yankovic is that is is there
Speaker 1: something God feared? Al yank Oh, there's so many bad
Speaker 1: there's so many, so many bad ones. There's so many
Speaker 1: bad ones. Yeah, but that wasn't bad. That was really
Speaker 1: good the thing I said, so well, yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: it's like an imitation of right, Like there's all these
Speaker 1: Christians who are trying to like image of xerox, of
Speaker 1: a xerox, great clarity, great tory. What is something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? I think right now because heat waves stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that green spaces are really
Speaker 1: underrated because trees offer so much like protection from the shade.
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously, as we know, I think may
Speaker 1: have talked about this last time I was on but
Speaker 1: like horror, neighborhoods are warmer because there's more like concrete
Speaker 1: and asphalt and fewer trees, highly urbane freeze and like
Speaker 1: less grass and plants help absorb some of that heat,
Speaker 1: whereas the street sidewalk just collects it. And that makes
Speaker 1: me really sad. So yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying
Speaker 1: to like agitate for more trees and more green space
Speaker 1: and less systemic racism built into our cities, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like one of the reason why they're always like,
Speaker 1: how come people in the hood don't play soccer and
Speaker 1: that's all basket because that requires green space, which is
Speaker 1: actively not a thing that's prioritized and like you know,
Speaker 1: the inner city. But yeah, no, I totally agree, Like
Speaker 1: I was that that's like the one the one place
Speaker 1: if you're in a like a hot city and like
Speaker 1: you're not going to be inside, is like get to
Speaker 1: the widest fucking space with shade, because that's like fifteen
Speaker 1: degrees cooler. Yeah. I also saw a recent movement that
Speaker 1: was just like somebody on Instagram, but and I I
Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of in depth research on it,
Speaker 1: but it's basically like replacing just lawns or just like
Speaker 1: anything that's just like a grass field, which once once
Speaker 1: you kind of hear it and started looking around a suburb,
Speaker 1: you see that, like there, suburbs are just like filled
Speaker 1: with all these lawns that are unused and like really
Speaker 1: unuseful for any reason, and like replacing those with like
Speaker 1: green spaces that are planted at with like fruit trees
Speaker 1: and like you know, things that can give shade and
Speaker 1: have a purpose, you know, like they're there's just like
Speaker 1: so much land that's like nope, we gotta just make
Speaker 1: it flat so that the cops can see everyone, keep
Speaker 1: your hands where we can see them. The folks. I think,
Speaker 1: like lawns are such such a great example though, because
Speaker 1: they're they're entirely about waste, Like there's nothing productive about them.
Speaker 1: It's just like a show of affluence essentially, because you're
Speaker 1: not yeah you're not growing anything productive. You're wasting a
Speaker 1: ton of water in most places because most places like
Speaker 1: grass that people like for their yards isn't isn't like
Speaker 1: a naturally occurring native plants, right right, So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's just the epitome of excess and conspicuous consumption,
Speaker 1: and we just we just we don't have time for
Speaker 1: that anymore, right, Like the planet's getting hot, you don't
Speaker 1: get to water your lawn. I'm sorry. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just walking around in Pasadena with my wife and we
Speaker 1: were like everything is like brown, except these like huge
Speaker 1: patches that were just like massive lush green things. When
Speaker 1: you're like, that's a golf course. That's a golf course.
Speaker 1: That's it. So that's the other thing we need to
Speaker 1: We need to invade and take down nationalized golf courses.
Speaker 1: Golf courses, just nationalized federalized parks. Yeah those are parks now, assholes,
Speaker 1: go funk yourself, and we are paying for them with
Speaker 1: our tax dollars because they get tax breaks and they
Speaker 1: get all the water on the water, which is really
Speaker 1: like like cities that are about to hit. I think
Speaker 1: they call it day zero but like zero water essentially
Speaker 1: Mexico City and Cape Town, South Africa believer or two
Speaker 1: of like the ones that are most at risk. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like poor people get penalized for using more water
Speaker 1: than they're allowed, but then like the golf course is
Speaker 1: still green, your city will let you die up thirst
Speaker 1: before they let the golf courses go burn brown. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like that may be the best way to
Speaker 1: get people like people on the same page, like across glasses,
Speaker 1: to be like just direct your like proletarian anger at
Speaker 1: a golf course. Yeah, just like the first step. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like knock that domino down and that may lead
Speaker 1: to the you know, the kinds of changes we need.
Speaker 1: But I feel like if you can normalize people like
Speaker 1: being like golf courses, and it's going to be stands
Speaker 1: for also the hardest fight like you could possibly pick,
Speaker 1: because when when you go to those places, like all
Speaker 1: of the people who make decisions in the entire city
Speaker 1: are are just hanging out there like all day, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they see a bunch of poor people like fucking like
Speaker 1: hanging out there, Like what the fund do we need more?
Speaker 1: Cops of the golf courses. Yeah, but that that is
Speaker 1: what needs to happen. I'm not sure how we get there,
Speaker 1: but that needs to happen. You talk about this all
Speaker 1: the time, especially after that Malcolm Gladwell podcast episode that's
Speaker 1: like sort of brought so this is the thing is like,
Speaker 1: it's so hard because the first time I heard this
Speaker 1: idea was in a Malcolm Gladwall podcast. He didn't come
Speaker 1: up with the idea, but no, the fuck good idea,
Speaker 1: but it is Malcolm Gladwell. But it's such a good idea.
Speaker 1: So I want to be I want to be in
Speaker 1: a like turn our golf courses into parks because that's
Speaker 1: the thing I'm always jealous of when I go to
Speaker 1: a place with a great park system and like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: look at the funk. Like these people can just go
Speaker 1: eat a sandwich on this fucking Yeah, you can go
Speaker 1: how your little golf course will give you like some
Speaker 1: like fake turf out in the desert where you can
Speaker 1: go play your golf games. But yeah, they will kill
Speaker 1: us before they allow us to do that. Truly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right to like it's actually the heart, it's the hardest
Speaker 1: target to go out. We will straight up go to
Speaker 1: war with you before we let you take our golf course. Well,
Speaker 1: they're all like, but my property values, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like I have a right to my assets. Appreciating is
Speaker 1: a thing that people who own homes here think l
Speaker 1: A might be the best place for it because l
Speaker 1: A is like moving left, and like young people in
Speaker 1: l A are voting, and so we might we might
Speaker 1: be able to pull it off. The golf courses, brock
Speaker 1: the golf courses. Fuck your golf course. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: something you think is overrated? Tory um Lately, the thing
Speaker 1: that I have been thinking about a lot that is
Speaker 1: overrated is like losing weight, just general like fat phobia,
Speaker 1: like diets don't work, and I think that more people
Speaker 1: need to be talking about the fact that diets don't work,
Speaker 1: Like long term it's sort of like punishment, like punishing
Speaker 1: your dog, punishing your kid. Like short term, you're going
Speaker 1: to get the results you want, like immediate results you want,
Speaker 1: but long term it's going to backfire. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just kind of the thing that I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about a lot lately is like we we've we conflate
Speaker 1: like people's weight and their moral characters like, well, you're
Speaker 1: just you're just lazy, you're not working hard enough, right
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. It's self inflicted. And that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how we view all of health in the United States,
Speaker 1: right is it's like you don't have to help anybody
Speaker 1: if you treat everybody like their body is a car
Speaker 1: that they're just like getting in rex with their Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's on the driver, honestly, like that, we
Speaker 1: have no responsibility to this human being at all, because right, right,
Speaker 1: it's like everybody is born into the world just naturally healthy,
Speaker 1: and if you don't sit on your couch, you'll stay
Speaker 1: that way. It's like, well, the only lettuce I can
Speaker 1: access is the ship on a big mac where I live,
Speaker 1: So what am I supposed to do? And yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: I think the thing with diets too, is like your
Speaker 1: to your point, like they're not sustainable, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're I think the biggest thing is the pendulum will
Speaker 1: always swing back the other way. And I think really,
Speaker 1: just if you're eating healthily and you can have moderation,
Speaker 1: I mean like that's the only thing that's been sustainable
Speaker 1: for me. As like I get older and I'm more
Speaker 1: aware of things and be like I gotta cut everything out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me cut one thing out of a
Speaker 1: time and see if I can just build on that.
Speaker 1: And that over the long term has been helpful for
Speaker 1: me as I try to eat less beef. Have a
Speaker 1: friend who's always doing the food the like meal kit
Speaker 1: service things which are crazy expensive. But they just told
Speaker 1: me about one where like they don't even list the
Speaker 1: calorie and they're just like, that's not what we do. Basically,
Speaker 1: is like that that's not a helpful way to think
Speaker 1: about food essentially, which I think is interesting. It's like
Speaker 1: not the amount of counties, just like the ingredients being yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: eating a lot of helpful food. Don't like calorie account
Speaker 1: while you're eating helpful food. M Me, I like to
Speaker 1: just starve myself and then go for a couple of
Speaker 1: Baha blasts for it to get me going for the
Speaker 1: death single time I'm on here, Baha blast man always
Speaker 1: comes up. Right. You see Jacks's tax return. I'm drinking
Speaker 1: coffee out of a Baja blast colored mud Jack's right now,
Speaker 1: like smoke, oh man, Yeah, I just I just you know,
Speaker 1: and and like I'm so angry about all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: About like obesity and like co morbidity with COVID deaths,
Speaker 1: and it's like this is that's not how that works,
Speaker 1: Like I mean yeah, and like fat folks aren't like
Speaker 1: their doctors don't listen to them, so they're just like
Speaker 1: less likely to go to the doctor because it's like
Speaker 1: you come in with any ailment. But if it's if
Speaker 1: you're overweight, which is just like it's normal weight, right,
Speaker 1: they're like, well, you know, it's probably nothing. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna run any task because you need to lose weight first,
Speaker 1: and like everything about this is just disgusting and gross
Speaker 1: to me. So, yeah, dieting is all the stuff that's
Speaker 1: not normal is systemic, systemically the result of a country
Speaker 1: that lets corporations put whatever the funk they want in
Speaker 1: the food that's going to make it sell better. So yeah, again,
Speaker 1: not it's not individualism, it's not somebody's moral character failing them.
Speaker 1: It is the environment there in. Yeah, the environment that
Speaker 1: we've we've been allowed to grow up in. But titanium
Speaker 1: dioxide though, huh no, don't drink mountain dew. It's really
Speaker 1: it's really bad. It's really bad for you. One a
Speaker 1: week maybe, Yeah, moderation. There we go for for you guys,
Speaker 1: For me, I can handle it. Actually like I'm not
Speaker 1: like it, so I'm not It's actually good, Like I
Speaker 1: have a system. Oh god, that's be aware of that
Speaker 1: from I gotta have a system. Yeah, no, you have
Speaker 1: a way weird way of rationalizing. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we will be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back. And I think we talked about a lot
Speaker 1: on this show. Is our need to grow our you know,
Speaker 1: especially in the US, or imagination for how things can
Speaker 1: be different, and also just like understand what can be
Speaker 1: done other than just you know, sit back and diagnose
Speaker 1: the problem them, which is what I like to do,
Speaker 1: just point my finger and be like that is bad.
Speaker 1: Here's why. Moving on. But there are other countries where
Speaker 1: people are actually doing the countries. There are other countries
Speaker 1: behind besides the United States. This is crazy. Have you
Speaker 1: seen this? Have you heard about this? I thought my
Speaker 1: mom was lying, which he says, she's from someplace called Japan.
Speaker 1: So we are bringing in the first t d Z correspondent,
Speaker 1: Tricia mccourgee, super producer, to come on and tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of these stories. Some of
Speaker 1: these things that are being done. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: kind of turning into your beat a little bit in
Speaker 1: the first couple of stories, I think so. But Tricia,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. And the story
Speaker 1: this week is about why the Congress people aoc ilhan
Speaker 1: Omar Rashida Kali, we're wearing green bandanas when they were
Speaker 1: arrested in front of the Supreme Court. Yes, that is right,
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Yeah, So the story today
Speaker 1: is about exactly that, Jack Um. So, if you've seen
Speaker 1: videos of the members of Congress who are protesting for
Speaker 1: abortion in front of the Supreme Court earlier this week,
Speaker 1: several of them were arrested, and that led to a
Speaker 1: lot of discussion. But you might have noticed one thing,
Speaker 1: which is that several people in that protest, and several
Speaker 1: of the members of Congress themselves, were wearing green bandanas
Speaker 1: um around their necks, on their clothing, on their bags.
Speaker 1: So I saw these videos and maybe you did too,
Speaker 1: and we're wondering, well, what did these screen bandanas me?
Speaker 1: And I mean, in my head, I was thinking, this
Speaker 1: isn't really the color that I would associate with women's
Speaker 1: rights or the movement for abortion. So I looked into
Speaker 1: it a little bit, and I actually found out that
Speaker 1: the screen bandana is both a homage and a continuation
Speaker 1: of a movement in Latin America that activists launched to
Speaker 1: fight for abortion rights, and it's quite an inspiring movement.
Speaker 1: I think what I learned from reading about this was
Speaker 1: just that we have a lot to learn from other countries,
Speaker 1: if those exist and are just some scam they've been
Speaker 1: telling us about. Yeah, I think we're still looking into
Speaker 1: that and maybe that can be your next story. Is
Speaker 1: like trying to fact check whether other countries actually exist.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like we're spending a lot of
Speaker 1: time on the show lately. We're not a lot, but
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes just pointing out that, like Latin American
Speaker 1: nations are really like making progress, moving leftward while we
Speaker 1: are falling off the mountain to the right at a
Speaker 1: rapid pace. Yes, exactly. So in terms of abortion, they
Speaker 1: have been making it a lot more progress than us,
Speaker 1: um while we have been going backwards. So in these
Speaker 1: Latin American countries, there's a movement called Lamy, which is
Speaker 1: Spanish for the green wave or the green tide, and
Speaker 1: it's a movement that's been going on for a while
Speaker 1: now years, even more than a decade, and it has
Speaker 1: been so incredibly successful in legalizing or decriminalizing abortion in
Speaker 1: several of these countries. So it's important to remember because
Speaker 1: in the US we think of the fact that a
Speaker 1: lot of the country is religious and Christian and that
Speaker 1: makes them more conservative in terms of abortion. But in
Speaker 1: Latin America, several of these countries are majority Catholic. In Argentina, yeah,
Speaker 1: in Argentina, the dog Um, the Pope was born in Argentina,
Speaker 1: so that is an indication of, you know, the religious
Speaker 1: leanings of those of these countries. But abortion has been
Speaker 1: legalized or decriminalized significantly in Latin America and the last
Speaker 1: two is years. So in early one, Argentina legalized abortion
Speaker 1: up to fourteen weeks. In September one, Mexico decriminalized abortion,
Speaker 1: and in February of this year alone, Columbia legalized abortion
Speaker 1: on demand and without restrictions up to the twenty fourth
Speaker 1: week of pregnancy. So these are the three largest countries
Speaker 1: in Latin America and abortion is decriminalized in all of them,
Speaker 1: whereas in states in the US we don't have that.
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild, like that, yeah, like you said that
Speaker 1: they've come a long way very quickly. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't overnight. It wasn't overnight at all. And so actually
Speaker 1: the origins of the screen wave it starts back in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies seven in Argentina. This was when the Dirty
Speaker 1: War was happening, and essentially the military junta was disappearing.
Speaker 1: A lot of young men and women and their mothers
Speaker 1: were very distress. So they took to the streets and
Speaker 1: friend of government buildings and they were protesting and marching.
Speaker 1: And during these protests and marches, they wore these headscarts,
Speaker 1: which are made out of the clock that they would
Speaker 1: use for diapers, and they were right and it became
Speaker 1: a symbol of their resistance. So many years later, Argentinian
Speaker 1: abortion activists wondered how they could kind of pay tribute
Speaker 1: to the mothers Plaza de Mayo, which is the name
Speaker 1: of this group of mothers, And they thought they didn't
Speaker 1: want to use the same exact color, so they next white.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to use purple, which was the color
Speaker 1: of a lot of other women's movements in Latin America,
Speaker 1: and they chose green. And I think it was an
Speaker 1: interesting color choice because it symbolizes life and growth and
Speaker 1: nurturing um, and so it's kind of a direct counter
Speaker 1: statement to the statement pro life, which is saying the
Speaker 1: only way you can be pro life is to be
Speaker 1: against abortion. So they ordered a bunch of these green
Speaker 1: bandannas and then started distributing them at these protests, and
Speaker 1: eventually people really took it up as a symbol and
Speaker 1: started just tying it to their backpacks, their clothes, their hair,
Speaker 1: such that when you walked out into the street, you
Speaker 1: would just see it everywhere in schools and supermarkets and
Speaker 1: homes and workplaces, and it became a pretty constant topic
Speaker 1: of conversation, which I wouldn't really say we have in
Speaker 1: the U S at least in my experience. So that
Speaker 1: was one day, one way that they just brought it
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine for everyone. And in fact,
Speaker 1: they ran out of green fabric because so many people
Speaker 1: were wearing it, so they literally had to cross the
Speaker 1: border from Argentina and Oblivia to source any green fabric.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the the original like that original
Speaker 1: you know, movement against the military death squads. Those military
Speaker 1: desk squads were part of Operation Condor, brought to you
Speaker 1: by the United States and an attempt to tamp down
Speaker 1: communism and votes. So like this is all hopefully we're
Speaker 1: able to use this to spring board, and you know
Speaker 1: that tends to be how the US fox up is,
Speaker 1: like they like of their own making essentially and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's interesting to note that, like this is something
Speaker 1: that actually started was started by the CIA and directly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all a really a big struggle against the US
Speaker 1: state sanctioned violence. Yeah, no matter where you look. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this is how the Green Wave started, but it
Speaker 1: just grew to something that was so much more. It
Speaker 1: was an incredibly dynamic and inclusive movement and so it
Speaker 1: involved people protesting essentially constantly, like every single week for
Speaker 1: two years um, and even in a lot of the
Speaker 1: big protests in US history, we don't see that kind
Speaker 1: of consistency for that long millions. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that was an option. Basically, I was like, wait, every week,
Speaker 1: that's how protests were. When will when will move on
Speaker 1: dot org? Tell me where to go? And one right? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's pretty incredible to think about doing that and
Speaker 1: not getting discouraged. So I thought that was incredibly admirable.
Speaker 1: But in addition to the protest, it involved constant legal action,
Speaker 1: lawsuits and demands for legislators to act, involved a lot
Speaker 1: of storytelling of allowing people who have had abortions to
Speaker 1: just talk about their experiences everywhere and all the time,
Speaker 1: and it was a very inclusive grassroots movement, and I
Speaker 1: think because of all those factors, after many, many years,
Speaker 1: it finally succeeded. Yeah. So looking at this right because
Speaker 1: I think, like, even for me, I'm like, wow, they're
Speaker 1: using the momentum of the people, you know, like mourning
Speaker 1: the out of Selos, like the disappeared people in Argentina,
Speaker 1: to to keep that outrage to still to maintain that
Speaker 1: and evolving into like another mass movement shows that there's
Speaker 1: an extremely long timeline to something like this. So I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, in in reading about this and then thank
Speaker 1: you so much for like telling us of like these
Speaker 1: details and the history of it. What are the what
Speaker 1: do we what? What can we take away from our
Speaker 1: us minds that were going what are they doing in
Speaker 1: other places? And you know, what can we glean from that? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 1: So what can we learn? I think there are quite
Speaker 1: a lot of things. First, just as we were talking
Speaker 1: about before it is a marathon, not a sprint. It's
Speaker 1: not as soon as rovi raid is overturned, we go
Speaker 1: and protest for a week or two and then give up.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's just a constant push both in
Speaker 1: terms of protesting, in terms of legal battles, in terms
Speaker 1: of pushing our elected representatives to do more, in terms
Speaker 1: of storytelling, in terms of forming networks. Just it has
Speaker 1: to be on all fronts, which is tough in the
Speaker 1: US because people need to, like there's a literal like
Speaker 1: work or starve or your kids will starve in many
Speaker 1: cases of situations. So like that, that's something like we
Speaker 1: we need mutual aid funds and stuff too. We we
Speaker 1: need some infrastructure built out to make that sort of
Speaker 1: thing possible. But there there are solutions, but that I
Speaker 1: do think like that. That was an interesting revelation to
Speaker 1: me was somebody pointing out that, like, oh, there's the
Speaker 1: US has a very paltry like protests history because everybody's
Speaker 1: working constantly all the time. And the one time when
Speaker 1: we were able to not work constantly, we saw like
Speaker 1: a large protest movement around like Black Lives Matter and
Speaker 1: George Floyd's death, and and then be because people weren't
Speaker 1: working as much because of the PANTA. So that is
Speaker 1: like a a problem we need to solve. But there
Speaker 1: are people who are solving it. And there's so much
Speaker 1: money being donated the places like planned parenthood and stuff,
Speaker 1: where when maybe it could be donated to some mutual
Speaker 1: aid funds that make it possible for people to protest
Speaker 1: more or something. Yeah, yeah, I think that's another thing.
Speaker 1: Just we can learn a lot in terms of inclusivity.
Speaker 1: The Green Wave in Latin America. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: no movement is perfect, but there's some emphasis on centering
Speaker 1: the voices of indigenous people and after all that next people,
Speaker 1: Whereas in the US a lot of our movement has
Speaker 1: kind of put aside marginalized groups. We need to make
Speaker 1: sure that people who perhaps can't go out in the
Speaker 1: streets and protests because maybe they just are working multiple
Speaker 1: jobs and are busy, or maybe they have kids to
Speaker 1: take care of, like, their voices still need to be
Speaker 1: put at the forefront. And along with that, in the US,
Speaker 1: the movement for abortion rights has been pretty exclusive and
Speaker 1: discriminatory in the past. I mean, even if you think
Speaker 1: about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger's role in that and
Speaker 1: her belief in eugenics. And yeah, I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of incredible activism from black women, um who have
Speaker 1: founded the movement for Reproductive Justice, and they're often not acknowledged,
Speaker 1: So I would say read about them if you're at
Speaker 1: all interested. But along with that, we need to just
Speaker 1: focus on how abortion specifically affects people who are low income,
Speaker 1: lack of secure housing, are affected by the prison industrial complex,
Speaker 1: and just create a new framework that does address these things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, just like you said, Jack,
Speaker 1: I mean, we have to get out of the big organizations.
Speaker 1: The green Wave was a lot of small organizations and
Speaker 1: individuals coming together, whereas in the US we really rely
Speaker 1: heavily on planned parenthood and the sun to reproductive rights.
Speaker 1: Such are these big organizations that really form corporate structures
Speaker 1: in their own ways, so that can also be harmful
Speaker 1: to grassroots movement. Yeah. I heard a really good question
Speaker 1: recently where someone was like, also, like planned parenthood, when
Speaker 1: when the road decision or opinion leaked, planned parenthood like
Speaker 1: got a massive influx in donations, and it's like and
Speaker 1: then when like they seemed to be caught flat footed
Speaker 1: as well as the Biden administration, Like there there wasn't
Speaker 1: like an immediate plan of action that was at least
Speaker 1: evident to a lot of people. I just felt like
Speaker 1: a lot of the institutions that we were counting on
Speaker 1: being there and like had having been working on this
Speaker 1: ship after the leaked decision, between leaked decision the actual
Speaker 1: like ruling didn't have a thing that was like thrown
Speaker 1: into actions. So like that that's another reason that I've
Speaker 1: I've heard people be kind of skeptical about Planned parenthood
Speaker 1: as I think that like nobody took it seriously, right,
Speaker 1: Like they've been saying that they were going to do
Speaker 1: this for fifty years at this point, and everyone was
Speaker 1: like okay, cool, like enjoy and you know, I think
Speaker 1: that like being cognizant of the fact that like a
Speaker 1: lot of the push against not all of it, obviously
Speaker 1: a lot of that is also corporate in like dark
Speaker 1: money and whatever, but like a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of the push against Row, like in terms of getting
Speaker 1: abortion band was done at like a community level, right,
Speaker 1: Like you know, those folks have something of an advantage,
Speaker 1: I would say, because they go to church, so they
Speaker 1: see each other every single week. A couple of times
Speaker 1: a week. Anyway, Yeah, there are they're they're they're sixty
Speaker 1: percent of the way, they're already right, just because they're
Speaker 1: seeing each other, they have a place to gather, it's consistent.
Speaker 1: They're constantly in communication with one another. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I think that we planned parenthood the Bundon administration. No
Speaker 1: nobody is, nobody was taking this seriously. And I think
Speaker 1: that also like part of part of like the failure
Speaker 1: of communication, I guess in in terms of abortion access
Speaker 1: is that it's like if you don't have a right
Speaker 1: to body, the autonomy, you have no rights, Like all
Speaker 1: you have is privileges. And that wasn't really communicated, you know,
Speaker 1: like as I you know, because I was raised by
Speaker 1: a pro life activist, as I've talked about on here before,
Speaker 1: and like the like when I when I slowly kind
Speaker 1: of moved out of that space and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is now. This isn't cool, Like you can't force
Speaker 1: someone to like make a child, that's not okay. There
Speaker 1: still wasn't much language around like abortion access is like
Speaker 1: the most basic of human rights. So if you can
Speaker 1: take that away from people, you can control like half
Speaker 1: the population. And so I mean, there was a reason
Speaker 1: that they went for that, right. There's a reason that
Speaker 1: they targeted Row specifically, and it was because they know
Speaker 1: that when you can take people's agency away, you can
Speaker 1: kind of do whatever right exactly right. And there's like
Speaker 1: another part of what you're saying too, is like as Americans,
Speaker 1: people are so reliant on these like outsized organizations or
Speaker 1: the idea of like the like the politics, like the
Speaker 1: politicians will save us, or the president will save us,
Speaker 1: or playing parenthood will save us, that we sort of
Speaker 1: outsource like our ability to defend ourselves to these like
Speaker 1: just large behemoth things are abstract groups of people. We
Speaker 1: don't know we exist exactly. We're outside. We're outsourcing it
Speaker 1: to people who don't have their head in the game.
Speaker 1: And to your POINTA Tricia, like the people who are
Speaker 1: taking it seriously are not the ones that are getting
Speaker 1: the support. And I think that's a huge shift that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of American people need to make.
Speaker 1: Is A. Yeah, it's bad. B we can't really like
Speaker 1: the people we used to rely on have proven that,
Speaker 1: like in the way this system is set up, we
Speaker 1: can't rely on them to protect to protect us. And
Speaker 1: where has it worked it's when people get together on
Speaker 1: their own and acknowledge, yeah, we're up against it, but
Speaker 1: we can acknowledge that together there is a path forward.
Speaker 1: But it takes a lot of people to first abandon
Speaker 1: this idea that it's like, well, maybe I can just
Speaker 1: give my money to this thing and not do anything,
Speaker 1: and it's it can't it can't be passive, like don't
Speaker 1: like donating is great, but it's like any any sort
Speaker 1: of systemic change we're seeking, whether that be with body
Speaker 1: autonomy or rights for LGBTQ people, or you know, the
Speaker 1: over policing that we're experiencing, we can't just do that, well,
Speaker 1: I gave my money to that group who they seem
Speaker 1: angry enough about it that they can change it. It's
Speaker 1: like no, like we every single person has to turn
Speaker 1: on like and say, yeah, you know what I'm actually
Speaker 1: I realized too, Like what I want is something that
Speaker 1: I have to begin communicating to other people as well
Speaker 1: and finding like minded people to say this is the
Speaker 1: bare minimum that I feel like we need to advocate
Speaker 1: for for people and be active in that or be
Speaker 1: vocal about that. Because the age of like donating to
Speaker 1: act blue and ship what look look where we're at it,
Speaker 1: got us fucking right here. We need to build community
Speaker 1: to like Tory's point about them at working from a
Speaker 1: base of like church and you know that being a
Speaker 1: thing that you're meeting regularly, Like that's that's also huge
Speaker 1: in the addiction recovery community like that, you know, you
Speaker 1: have you have to build community. You have to find
Speaker 1: people who are working on the same thing as you. Um,
Speaker 1: and there's just like that that doesn't just form overnight.
Speaker 1: Again Putricia's point about it being a a marathon not
Speaker 1: a sprint, but like it. And I also feel like
Speaker 1: we can't be so hard on ourselves for like why
Speaker 1: aren't I doing more about this? Like well, there's not
Speaker 1: a thing to do, Like that's what we need to
Speaker 1: like build the thing to do the meetings, to go
Speaker 1: to the secular church, to like go to on a
Speaker 1: weekly basis where you can you know, find the people
Speaker 1: to build your movement with. Yeah. Yeah, And tomas Is
Speaker 1: point as well, like donating to Planned Parenthood. I think
Speaker 1: there's you know that money has much less of an
Speaker 1: effect than donating to a mutual aid organization or a
Speaker 1: people organized fund. UM. Where I live in New York,
Speaker 1: abortions through plant parent had cost upwards of five dollars,
Speaker 1: which is like, who the fund can afford that, especially
Speaker 1: if you just can't afford to have a kid, perhaps
Speaker 1: if that's your reason. So yeah, Whereas a lot of
Speaker 1: mutual aid funds will help you get medication for abortions.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's just another thing that you know,
Speaker 1: going back to the Green Waves, something that they prioritized
Speaker 1: with self managed abortions instead of working outside these big
Speaker 1: clinics UM in Mexico. I mean, this is a whole
Speaker 1: another story. It's it's fascinating, but one of the medications
Speaker 1: that you can use to induce an abortion, you can
Speaker 1: get it over the counter for stomach ulcers and other
Speaker 1: medical conditions. So when the law prohibits abortions, you know,
Speaker 1: people can try to work together to find ways around it.
Speaker 1: And of course that's not medical advice. I mean, a
Speaker 1: life is unsafe, but that's just something that the state
Speaker 1: forces us into doing, unfortunately. And then I think just
Speaker 1: the very last thing is that abortion is healthcare. We've
Speaker 1: heard that slogan over and over and over again at protests,
Speaker 1: and I think we can't forget that public healthcare and
Speaker 1: universal health care is also essential to this fight for
Speaker 1: abortion in Mexico. Actually, because healthcare is public, women who
Speaker 1: go to clinics to seek abortion can also access other
Speaker 1: services and counseling. They can get away from domestic violence
Speaker 1: at home, they can get birth control, or their partners
Speaker 1: can get vasectomies. So the fact that public health care
Speaker 1: is also there and they don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: paying exorbitant amounts every time you visit a clinic also
Speaker 1: really helps. So, yeah, those are just a few things
Speaker 1: I think as a movement in the US, we need
Speaker 1: to pay more attention to activists and the rest of
Speaker 1: the world. There's been the question brought up of oh
Speaker 1: is this cultural appropriation to where these green bandannas are
Speaker 1: we parading all their hard work as our own and
Speaker 1: activists have said, and here's a quote that we're here
Speaker 1: to push back and loudly state that political solidarity is
Speaker 1: not theft. This fight is not ours alone. Um, so
Speaker 1: they are inviting collaboration, they're offering help because we're just
Speaker 1: in a position where we desperately, desperately need help and
Speaker 1: we we shouldn't let ourselves be isolated, just as the
Speaker 1: government has really wanted us to be throughout all of
Speaker 1: history to make us feel this sense of American superiority,
Speaker 1: make us feel like we're better than these other countries
Speaker 1: and we should look down on them. That is just
Speaker 1: not the way to go right now, Like we really
Speaker 1: need we can get take the fucking help. That's that's
Speaker 1: good advice in general in life, and like especially in
Speaker 1: this where the United States is people not yeah you
Speaker 1: don't know somebody a man, you are right over there
Speaker 1: if you if you don't need help, you know, that's
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, we know we are. Yes, please,
Speaker 1: we're not worried about you stealing from us. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: need everything. We're we're trying to help you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the US has a hard time getting their brain around anything.
Speaker 1: Like it's like our pathology to not acknowledge that we
Speaker 1: need help in any capacity, whether that's personally or collectively,
Speaker 1: like if we're built on yeah, exactly, like there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with anything, okay, yeah, Like and that's who we are.
Speaker 1: We're like laughing in the middle of a burning down
Speaker 1: house and insisting that it's okay. And I think the
Speaker 1: difficulty that we, you know, most people have to arise
Speaker 1: to is that like, yeah, it is very uncomfortable, but
Speaker 1: also you can accept that and you know, use that
Speaker 1: to steal yourself and prepare yourself to say there is
Speaker 1: something I can do. And it's not just about giving
Speaker 1: money to the right people. It's about being more conscious
Speaker 1: of what's going on, educating myself and encouraging others around
Speaker 1: me to do that, and to again look into mutual
Speaker 1: aid groups, because if they're organizing in churches, you might
Speaker 1: as well participate in a mutual aid group where you
Speaker 1: can be around like minded people who also understand the
Speaker 1: stakes are very high for people and you want to help.
Speaker 1: And it's not like it doesn't have to It's not
Speaker 1: like you're going to some battle or something. You're just saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I have skills, I have maybe a bit of money
Speaker 1: or free time. How can I help? And that's it,
Speaker 1: And that's You're already going to be doing a world
Speaker 1: of difference, and it's okay to embrace the idea that like,
Speaker 1: we have to do something, but you know what, You're
Speaker 1: gonna feel much better when you feel like you're an
Speaker 1: active participant than someone who's just sort of like passively watching,
Speaker 1: freaked out and throwing money at a fire. When Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi's spooky as face shows up on a text message. Right, yeah, well, Tricia,
Speaker 1: truly a pleasure having you. Thank you once again for
Speaker 1: your research and wisdom. Where can people find you or
Speaker 1: hear you? You have a podcast of your own, don't you? Yes,
Speaker 1: I do. Um so I'm not on social media, but
Speaker 1: you can listen to more shows of this type on.
Speaker 1: My podcast is called People Place Power and it's wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Yeah, all right, we will be
Speaker 1: right back to talk about toilets and word back. So
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Have we talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: the phrase like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is
Speaker 1: like it's self. Yeah, it's a work of satire, like something.
Speaker 1: It's a joke, but like America just turned it into
Speaker 1: like we do and we do the impossible. That's how
Speaker 1: it's like a ten percent like being like, well that's
Speaker 1: not that's not a thing. Man, I can make gold
Speaker 1: from wood. Okay, that's the national motto. It's like, that's
Speaker 1: that's a fallacy and incorrect. I don't know, work work, ethic, alchemy,
Speaker 1: that's that's our thing. It's like, well, that's impossible. So
Speaker 1: you're a dip shit. We're a dip shit anyways, America
Speaker 1: has a toilet problem. Kalamazoo, Michigan just decriminalized public urination
Speaker 1: and the mainstream media lost their ship. This is, you know,
Speaker 1: according to them, this was purely done to ruin the
Speaker 1: lives of business owners and deep value property. Kalamazoo business
Speaker 1: owners upset after decriminalization of public your Nation defecation, and
Speaker 1: in seventeen New York City cops gave cops the discretion
Speaker 1: to punish urinators with a civil summons instead of a
Speaker 1: criminal one, which, by the way, giving New York City
Speaker 1: cops discretion over anything is never, never going to help.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure this just led to rich white stock
Speaker 1: brokers being able to pee wherever they want when they're drunk.
Speaker 1: And that's that's about it, because the cops aren't cutting
Speaker 1: a break for anyone else, it turns out. But what
Speaker 1: what when they did that? Immediately Tucker Carlson was like,
Speaker 1: this whole city smells like you're in all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the first time that New York had ever smelled like
Speaker 1: you're But yeah, I mean, public our nation shouldn't just
Speaker 1: be decriminalized, it should be legalized. These laws really only
Speaker 1: served to punish the most vulnerable. According to one report
Speaker 1: pent upon, how's people have been cited or arrested for
Speaker 1: public your Nation in thirteen states, Public your Nation is
Speaker 1: classified as a potential sex crime. Yeah, my god, Like
Speaker 1: you'd be a sex offender for public your Nation, which
Speaker 1: is wow. It's like and imagine if you're in the
Speaker 1: house and they're like, you're now a sex offender, which
Speaker 1: means you you can't really be anywhere now, like with
Speaker 1: all of the you know, the sort of boundaries that
Speaker 1: come with like places you can live near or whatever
Speaker 1: being near. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, but their way, these laws
Speaker 1: are a way of criminalizing homelessness. Essentially in skid row
Speaker 1: in l A there are fifteen thousand people and just
Speaker 1: five public toilets, So that's one public toilet for every
Speaker 1: three thousand people. So it like not having public urination,
Speaker 1: you know, as a criminal act is essentially a form
Speaker 1: of entrapment because it's like physically impossible that you won't
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom there. There's also some stories in Piedmont, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: a cop gave a two thousand five dollar ticket for
Speaker 1: public year Nation to a three year old and in Ferguson, Missouri,
Speaker 1: which you might remember them, the Ferguson Police Department. Well,
Speaker 1: in Ferguson, a family let their two year old and
Speaker 1: four year old pie and a bush. Something I've done
Speaker 1: the near constantly as a parent, just because kids constantly
Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom, like at the most
Speaker 1: inconvenient times. It's like they have a sense for what
Speaker 1: is the most inconvenient time, and that's when they will
Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom, like horribly badly. But
Speaker 1: a cop came by and arrested the dad for a
Speaker 1: child neglect. He was held for nine hours and felt
Speaker 1: found guilty by a judge. The couple understandably later through
Speaker 1: the city. But you'll you'll never guess that the family
Speaker 1: were black, So shocking m hm hm. But so on
Speaker 1: one solution is they're just absolutely needs to be way
Speaker 1: more public toilets available. Yeah, I mean that's isn't that.
Speaker 1: Isn't that how you solve a problem? Well not in
Speaker 1: the United States. That the States, they're like, well, how
Speaker 1: do we make this. Let the market solve it. Let
Speaker 1: the toilet That's what they did. Like the Starbucks announced
Speaker 1: that they would open their watchrooms to everyone in and
Speaker 1: people are ex seed the market working. They know it's
Speaker 1: a good publicity thing because Starbucks are everywhere, right, except
Speaker 1: Howard Schultz recently came out you know now that he's
Speaker 1: he's probably now that he's like probably turning right. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like union vesting and has been was criticized during
Speaker 1: his presidential run as a Democrat, So I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: basically a fascist at this point. So he then recently
Speaker 1: announced that they will actually soon limit access to customers only,
Speaker 1: which amounted to a loss of critical infrastructure for the
Speaker 1: broader public in the United States. Like so a a
Speaker 1: company changes a store policy and it radically fox over
Speaker 1: the country. That's the that's the United States. But this
Speaker 1: this feels to me again like putting like dumping a
Speaker 1: bunch of labor on service workers who aren't being paid
Speaker 1: a living wage anyway. Now you have to police the toilets.
Speaker 1: Like I think that was the fundamental problem with the
Speaker 1: mask mandates was that you were you're literally asking service
Speaker 1: workers to enforce a state a state regulation, like policy, law,
Speaker 1: something something. Right, It's like you don't yeah, and like
Speaker 1: your life being threatened, Like that's it's not worth that,
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not always found that people who don't
Speaker 1: want to wear a mask in public seem to be
Speaker 1: very reasonable and just like easy to talk to and
Speaker 1: like here, you want to hear you out. That is,
Speaker 1: I feel like people not like refusing to wear a
Speaker 1: mask when it's appropriate or required is like the domestic
Speaker 1: violence of like gun owners, of like mass shootings. It's
Speaker 1: just like those those are the people who are going
Speaker 1: to flip out and try and fight you in this
Speaker 1: subway or wherever you are. Thanks to bring it back
Speaker 1: to subway? Yeah, can I just throw in really quickly
Speaker 1: Historically that cities were cities were adding lots of public
Speaker 1: toilets until desegregation, and then they started closing them down.
Speaker 1: Huh huh. Interesting, fascinating hand of white supremacy is always, always,
Speaker 1: always we don't have enough toilets because white people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: countries like Iceland have around fifty six toilets per people.
Speaker 1: The US has eight. Yeah, because people don't have to
Speaker 1: pay right exactly, Hey pissing your bootstraps. Yeah, we we
Speaker 1: have stronger willpowers, so we're able to just hold it
Speaker 1: longer than people in Iceland. But yeah, it's straight up,
Speaker 1: it's white supremacy and racism like that. Yeah, it's and
Speaker 1: it doesn't even again, like everything and there's a problem,
Speaker 1: they don't fucking actually address it. People are kissing everywhere.
Speaker 1: What's the problem because there's not enough toilets. What's the
Speaker 1: solution fucking make them sex offenders? What wait? Sorry, did
Speaker 1: you did you just get a step there? Nope, that's
Speaker 1: not what we're doing. That's how you stop him. Like
Speaker 1: California sitting on a record breaking surplus of you know,
Speaker 1: taxpayers money and rather than like spending that on building
Speaker 1: public toilets, they instead you brag about having a surplus,
Speaker 1: and uh it works. First of all, the media is like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, Newsome, he we should make him president.
Speaker 1: He has a surplus. And then also sit it's austerity
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then like start freaking out about San
Speaker 1: Francisco having like poop on the street, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: how people You look at a place like in London, right,
Speaker 1: I was just there. They got they have public urinals
Speaker 1: fucking everywhere because they're like, man, too many people leave
Speaker 1: the pubs and ship or whatever and they just piss
Speaker 1: all over the street. Yeah. Their solution was, well, then
Speaker 1: put up some fucking urinals that people can use, and
Speaker 1: like more toilets for people, and then you're spending less
Speaker 1: time cleaning up piss in the streets and giving up
Speaker 1: a person to use the fucking bathroom. London has some
Speaker 1: experience there. I'm like, they used to use the streets
Speaker 1: as the sewers, so they would know they've evolved, you know,
Speaker 1: they've come around. Everyone used to use it as the sewers. Though.
Speaker 1: That was like the like Spanish colonizers and they first
Speaker 1: came to like South America, they were like, what the
Speaker 1: fund is this? Your streets are clean? Yeah? Right where
Speaker 1: it is definitely a European settler, European colonizer movement of yeah,
Speaker 1: we just kind of shipped everywhere, right, but we also
Speaker 1: put it, yeah right, we put that's our right, that
Speaker 1: our divine right as colonizers. Now show me the late
Speaker 1: the closest place I can defecate on something sacred. So
Speaker 1: just to kind of close the loop on this, the
Speaker 1: US government and you know, various like local organizations appointed
Speaker 1: to the high costs for installing public toilets, but in
Speaker 1: fact you actually save money by investing in restrooms, because
Speaker 1: you wind up spending millions cleaning up all the p
Speaker 1: and poop around your city and recording like public health. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: According to the World Bank, every dollar spent on urban
Speaker 1: sanitation brings a return of two dollars and fifty cents
Speaker 1: to the economy through reduction in medical costs and increased productivity. Whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: We'll hold on reduction in medical costs. That's not profit
Speaker 1: of anything. I need to increase the medical costs so
Speaker 1: I can keep my pockets fat. Okay, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And I can't well because the like that's pop pooping
Speaker 1: on land that I'm not going to because I'm going
Speaker 1: to my country club where the people have to poop
Speaker 1: and pea everywhere are not allowed in. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's just the public parks that get shipped on, impete
Speaker 1: on and make people sick. And it's not it's not
Speaker 1: my country club though, anyways, I piss on your local
Speaker 1: country club. Yeah, let's start start the movement. Start start
Speaker 1: reaching out just being like, hey, golf clubs, golf courses
Speaker 1: shouldn't exist, right, and see see what what kind of
Speaker 1: response you get. I bet, I bet there's more people
Speaker 1: who agree. All right, Tory truly a pleasure as always
Speaker 1: having your where can people find you? And folly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I always love chatting with y'all. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at tory Glass and Instagram sometimes at
Speaker 1: tory Glass. I have a podcast called wit Homework when
Speaker 1: we talk about anti racism and like practical actionable things
Speaker 1: that you can do around the issue of racism, because
Speaker 1: so frequently people are like, what do I do? So
Speaker 1: that's what that is. And then I have another podcast
Speaker 1: called Go Home Bible You're Drunk, and I just talk
Speaker 1: about my religious trauma and how fucking weird the Bible
Speaker 1: is and drink about it and it's great. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you can check that out too. Amazing. And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying. I love the work of social media
Speaker 1: that like brings me so much. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of art being done on social media, so
Speaker 1: truly truly culture shaping in every way, in every way. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: My my favorite tweet of the last week was British
Speaker 1: people struggling in this heat waves stay strong. Your ancestors
Speaker 1: colonized entire countries in this heat Oh yeah, you can
Speaker 1: do it. You can do it. You're strong. Go like,
Speaker 1: I like how that's how? Like like anti colonial anger
Speaker 1: is like manifesting in the twenty one thing, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm anotherfucker of global warming. That's on you, Peace fake losers,
Speaker 1: Miles very can people find you? What's the tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Oh? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at
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Speaker 1: who forget to eat are amazing to me. I miss
Speaker 1: one meal and I'm burning bridges with the media family members.
Speaker 1: I missed two. That's Oregon failure. Total body and mind
Speaker 1: shut down by the end of one calendar day. And
Speaker 1: I think about the times I've done that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what it is, because I've been duped
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Speaker 1: And then also at a Looha Cats with two s is.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have posted like about
Speaker 1: pets like where they say, if you're hot, they're hot,
Speaker 1: bring them inside. Uh, And it's the same construction we've
Speaker 1: seen on a few viral teets. It says, if you're hot,
Speaker 1: they're hot, bring them inside. And the pictures like of
Speaker 1: someone's like view into their backyard and it's an e
Speaker 1: walk trying to come in and be like and they
Speaker 1: just love the idea of like bring walks bringer you
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Speaker 1: who needs to hear this, but living your life to
Speaker 1: the fullest does not have to involve hiking. Wrong. I
Speaker 1: like to hike, but it does seem like those two
Speaker 1: have become synonymous. You know what it is the nervous
Speaker 1: system disagrees with your lived experience, sir. The I think
Speaker 1: the problem is people going bunk gas hikes, you crying
Speaker 1: to The payoff is to get somewhere and and behold
Speaker 1: a site that makes you feel inconsequential. You admire the
Speaker 1: beauty of nature. Because I'm seeing l a It's like
Speaker 1: I might fucking walking up running you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking hiking up to the grip at observatory,
Speaker 1: like take me to Mount Baldy or something like, to
Speaker 1: give me some ship to see. I went on a bike,
Speaker 1: a bunk hike where the only thing I saw was
Speaker 1: a bunch of brown land and then golf courses and
Speaker 1: I was pissed. But it was useful. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it doesn't have to You can do other things
Speaker 1: besides that. Go for a swim, go for a dipp
Speaker 1: in your public pool, or at the golf course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're in the in the pond at the golf course.
Speaker 1: Water trap. At the golf courses they call they don't
Speaker 1: even appreciate their own damn ponds. They call them water traps.
Speaker 1: Fuck you golf courses. I mean, I think, yeah, where
Speaker 1: you find the water, remain at the golf course and
Speaker 1: find like the get yourself like a you know, I think,
Speaker 1: what nine inch maybe PBC elbow, open that thing up,
Speaker 1: and then you've turned it into a water park. I think,
Speaker 1: I think we can't officially endorse that. But allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,
Speaker 1: allegedly have a Bronx summer at your golf course water
Speaker 1: name Manuel Dexter Eddie tweeted do you think went on
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Speaker 1: about in today's episode as well as the song that
Speaker 1: we think you might enjoy Miles song do we think
Speaker 1: people might? Okay? So I want to go out on
Speaker 1: this track. This band I just heard called Death and
Speaker 1: they are a punk, a black punk band who came
Speaker 1: out at East Detroit and like they predate the Ramones,
Speaker 1: like people call them like pro to punk. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get they didn't get a record deal because they were
Speaker 1: so kind of like about the music that this album
Speaker 1: they recorded was like like in obscurity for many years
Speaker 1: and it's just coming back around like a lot of music. Nurse.
Speaker 1: This band Death is sucking like amazing and if you
Speaker 1: like punk, like any guy like the Ramones and Ship,
Speaker 1: you have to listen to this ship. This is from
Speaker 1: the album Death for the whole world to see it,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like it's now widely available on streaming.
Speaker 1: But this track is called rock and Roll Victim and
Speaker 1: it's just dope. Like just to know that this was
Speaker 1: recorded in n seventy five and this is the sound
Speaker 1: that they're bringing its. It like massively warms my heart,
Speaker 1: but at the same time you're like, damn, how much
Speaker 1: other part just gets lost in the fucking waves of
Speaker 1: like massive media and ship like that that we don't
Speaker 1: know about it. So this is Death with rock and
Speaker 1: roll Victim. All right, Well go listen to that. It
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