Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty one,
Speaker 1: Episode one of Daily Like Guys Day production of My
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, May. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what that means. What does that mean? Myles?
Speaker 1: Oh ma, oh you didn't know? You don't mean tell you?
Speaker 1: I thank you? I like, like I said, it's not
Speaker 1: because I'm in a panic searching what it is. It's
Speaker 1: because there's just a lot of excitement around today, which
Speaker 1: is World Turtle Day, like turtles. You saw a turtle today? Okay,
Speaker 1: See that's in line with the spirit. It's already helping
Speaker 1: National Lucky Penny Day for those that indulge in two
Speaker 1: of the biggest days. Lucky piece, Turtle, Lucky Penny. Don't
Speaker 1: combine them, No, No, two types of ponds that you
Speaker 1: want to keep. Separate the wishing pounds and take take
Speaker 1: it back to the turtles of the trevi Fountain. Yeah
Speaker 1: you go, maybe true. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien,
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Speaker 1: Chris Macklin. I think we're talking about how all artists
Speaker 1: should take the pressure off of the rest of us
Speaker 1: and only draw people with Simpson's hands roll right, because
Speaker 1: we do three about how oh the tweet was there?
Speaker 1: Every culture has mermaids because legs are too hard to draw. Yeah, exactly. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Chris appreciate the tweet, especially parenthetical at the end. No
Speaker 1: singing involved, which is helpful book because I'm sick and
Speaker 1: not a good singer when I'm not sick, So I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I'm thrilled to be joined as always
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Speaker 1: I'm just these eyes man, these you know, conversation before
Speaker 1: we start rolling, as a conversation after we start rolling.
Speaker 1: This man has a new identity. It's such a it's
Speaker 1: just a market difference, you know. And it's and we
Speaker 1: take our eyesight for granted. And I realized, look, I'm
Speaker 1: it's the small victories and we did so we talked
Speaker 1: about how you did the vision test after they just
Speaker 1: sowed your eyes back up, and the you know, people
Speaker 1: in the lab coats were like muttering to one another
Speaker 1: and being like checking each other's notes in a confused murmur.
Speaker 1: And we finally got word that not only were you
Speaker 1: seeing things that should have been impossible, but you were
Speaker 1: seeing what was on the screen days ago. So your
Speaker 1: eyes apparently are able to see through time. And they
Speaker 1: they're still trying to figure it out. They said, get
Speaker 1: me Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon. Now. Uh, the second
Speaker 1: I said, I read that second line. They know, they
Speaker 1: know they've created a super Antifa soldier right now, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Well, Miles, we are thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat behind acclaimed author, musician
Speaker 1: and podcast host of the new show Cool People Who
Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff from Robert Evans and Sophie Lichterman's network,
Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. It's the brilliant and talented Margaret killed Joe.
Speaker 1: What's up? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Margaret. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1: I don't have a clever name for myself other than
Speaker 1: Margaret Unfortunately killed Joy. Your legal name, no, no, but
Speaker 1: it works. I took it a very long time ago
Speaker 1: when I was a much more cynical activist and now
Speaker 1: it's kind of ironic. Yeah, your show is very much
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the best titles for a show
Speaker 1: and that you know exactly what it is them the
Speaker 1: title cool people who Did Cool Stuff? But it does
Speaker 1: clash with your name, which is cool as by the way,
Speaker 1: you don't need uh when your name is Jack O'Brien,
Speaker 1: you need to come up with a K isn't ship.
Speaker 1: But Margaret Killjoy does lots of lots of work for you,
Speaker 1: So yeah, fair enough this show. Like when when people
Speaker 1: hear that cool people who Did Cool Stuff? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's it's nebulous, nebulous enough that someone could
Speaker 1: you know, map their own meaning to it and say, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe some something cool about Crypto. No, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: giving people the imagination. Yeah, it's still early. It's still
Speaker 1: early Miles Crypto don't Yeah, yeah, why not? It is
Speaker 1: fun to be the arbiter of cool. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: tell people a little bit about the kinds of cool
Speaker 1: people that are covered in the podcast. But because I
Speaker 1: think it's just a fantastic show and a fantastic concept
Speaker 1: and much needed type of content for people, especially in
Speaker 1: the times we're in right now. Well, my background is
Speaker 1: mostly as an activist, and so a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that I think are particularly cool are various revolutionaries
Speaker 1: and people who fight against oppressive systems and people who
Speaker 1: carve out their own ways of being. And I don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: we'll see what directions it goes, but for now, you know,
Speaker 1: the first episode is about the anarchists fighting for the
Speaker 1: Hour worked in Chicago, and it did stuff about actually,
Speaker 1: the first two episodes managed to be about Chicago completely happenstance.
Speaker 1: The other one was direct action abortionists in Chicago a
Speaker 1: hundred years later. And we'll see where it goes from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we always talk about this, and on the show we
Speaker 1: can generally talk about how so many we just lack
Speaker 1: the imagination for revolutionary thinking and examples of of people
Speaker 1: who you know, really took it upon themselves to look
Speaker 1: at a situation that was untenable and said, well, there's
Speaker 1: something has to give and here's how we can pursue that.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like most people the thoughts stops that
Speaker 1: so fucked up right now, because it is typically where
Speaker 1: because no one has a lot of examples to go, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, someone so did because in every other
Speaker 1: examples in our lives, we have ways to sort of
Speaker 1: take up for ourselves, or we have examples that inform
Speaker 1: what a potential next step would be in a given situation.
Speaker 1: But we've done a really good job in the world
Speaker 1: to kind of dull that sort of that imagination for
Speaker 1: revolution revolutionary action, yeah, and then bury it. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: we we only see the negative examples because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of negative examples of people trying to make stuff
Speaker 1: better that make things worse also, But they Yeah, I
Speaker 1: keep finding all these examples throughout history where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: these people are doing really amazing ship and I've never
Speaker 1: even heard of them, you know, because we don't talk
Speaker 1: about them enough. Yeah, it's been systematically removed from the
Speaker 1: history that at least I learned in school in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, you know. But we touched real quickly
Speaker 1: on John Brown, yeah, lightly, and he started and he
Speaker 1: basically set the whole war off all right, next one,
Speaker 1: and then no one ever talks about the fact that
Speaker 1: he wasn't alone. I mean, besides the fact that there
Speaker 1: are people directly with him, but he was part of
Speaker 1: this whole, huge network, you know, that was not that
Speaker 1: was like white and black abolitionists. Yeah. I got touched
Speaker 1: about that from history class, that it was a lone
Speaker 1: nuts situation where yeah, this this guy was really had
Speaker 1: his beans up. You know, they're like, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: give you a little bit. He has some kids too
Speaker 1: that may have been involved, but that's all we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell you about. It was just him and his sons.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, And you are
Speaker 1: not accepting self submitted packets of people telling their own
Speaker 1: story about like stuff they did in grade school when
Speaker 1: they yeah party, Yeah it's still in my inbox. I haven't,
Speaker 1: I haven't finished. Okay, it got there. I was actually
Speaker 1: just concerned that Yeah, yeah, I know you had me
Speaker 1: on just to check. Well. I think we're done here
Speaker 1: all right today. Well back in actually I was playing
Speaker 1: NBA Jam Tournament Edition. Everyone said this kid couldn't get
Speaker 1: beat and lo and behold I did. Maybe that could
Speaker 1: do it? Sounds cool. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're in definition of coolest. All right, Margaret, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple
Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about today January six, they're
Speaker 1: still looking into it. We have some bread crumbs that
Speaker 1: indicate that there there might be something there. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Starbucks anti union tactics, which are embarrassingly
Speaker 1: self incriminating and also not very successful to this point.
Speaker 1: Some people think shockingly, So I think the direct quote
Speaker 1: is it's shocking how badly they're getting the ship kicked
Speaker 1: out of them, uh, fromlimidating from one expert paying attention.
Speaker 1: So gonna talk about that why it might not be
Speaker 1: that shocking. Right now, We're going to talk about that
Speaker 1: study about what social media does to your brain. We
Speaker 1: might even get to some star trek all of that
Speaker 1: plenty more. But first, Margaret, we do like to ask
Speaker 1: our guests, what is something from your search history? Well,
Speaker 1: I picked the most recent thing I searched was last
Speaker 1: night was plastic part broken on Dwalt Miter saw because
Speaker 1: I was trying to make shelves and I tried to
Speaker 1: cut a very acute angle and something broke. Would Uh
Speaker 1: it definitely was wearing all the right safety equipment. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: of course I would never do otherwise. Fortunately, nothing hit
Speaker 1: my eyes, which were definitely protected and and some plastic
Speaker 1: piece of my saw broken. I have no idea where
Speaker 1: it comes from. And I'm just like looking at this
Speaker 1: part of my saw and I'm like but trying to
Speaker 1: be like, where did this come from? Yeah? Exactly what
Speaker 1: did I break? I have no idea what this thing is.
Speaker 1: And if you search plastic part broken on Dwalt Miter saw,
Speaker 1: you find the US extractor because that's what everyone breaks.
Speaker 1: And Google saved me. Is that what you broke? Yeah? Yeah, goo,
Speaker 1: Google's yeah for six dollar party. You know who else saves?
Speaker 1: Jay z Jesus, Like we were both on the same
Speaker 1: way with yeh, I just want to bring it back, man,
Speaker 1: We always got to bring it back to Also a carpenter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. So are you, Margaret? Are you a carpenter?
Speaker 1: You know? Um, I do a ton of different things.
Speaker 1: And then I realized that everything I do not for
Speaker 1: work cannot be on a computer because I already do
Speaker 1: everything else on a computer. And so I do some
Speaker 1: woodworking and right now I'm trying to like build instruments
Speaker 1: and shelves, sunch weather ship building instruments, yeah, like well
Speaker 1: like guitars and ship Yeah, I build some electric guitars
Speaker 1: out of kits and do some of the woodworking and
Speaker 1: the soldering on them and then but I also do
Speaker 1: a bunch of acoustic like folk instruments. Some of them
Speaker 1: I build from kits, some of them I just kind
Speaker 1: of invent make ties strings to wooden things and try
Speaker 1: and make them. Get your albums, We're not We're to
Speaker 1: hear your album Feminisical that band camp dot com. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: Margaret has three separate, very impressive careers. It's it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you five different people? How is is that happening?
Speaker 1: But okay, so your activists you're lutier as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that the name for a guitar make? I don't
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce that word or luthierlier English. I'm
Speaker 1: not a good one of that, But I used them
Speaker 1: in my in them in my metal band. Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's mostly metal. So I do a lot of things. Um,
Speaker 1: the thing that I do that most the most people
Speaker 1: listen to. My band that the most people listen to
Speaker 1: is a all women black metal band called Feminis School,
Speaker 1: And we play a lot of different instruments in the band.
Speaker 1: And I've been increasingly just like making my own instruments
Speaker 1: for it, because why then not? Yeah, indeed, I would
Speaker 1: say to answer, why the funk not? I don't have
Speaker 1: the energy mental band. This is a sign of like
Speaker 1: this is I've I've heard of this with very various
Speaker 1: like impressive people that there the coach of the Indiana Pacers,
Speaker 1: Rick Adleman, No not Rick Adleman, Rick Carlisle like builds
Speaker 1: his own golf clubs and it's also like a concert
Speaker 1: pianist and like all the all these various things, and
Speaker 1: like the point at which the genius starts building their
Speaker 1: own equipment, I'm like, I'm out, that's too much for
Speaker 1: me to I do like that. I like the like
Speaker 1: that sort of rule that you have, like where if
Speaker 1: so much work is happening on a screen, that you
Speaker 1: also need something off screen. And I just realized, like
Speaker 1: even when I play music, like I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: computer screen rather than just like taking my base and
Speaker 1: just amplifying it and looking out a window and doing
Speaker 1: that instead about his screen. Oh man, Okay, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna yeah, I like that, Thank you, Margaret. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take that into practice. Section. Yeah, yeah, I'll be curious
Speaker 1: what you come up with. What is something you think
Speaker 1: is overrated. Okay, so I wrote this down before listening
Speaker 1: to your last episode. I think superheroes are overrated, and
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with them as a
Speaker 1: you know, fiction trip or whatever, but I'm kind of
Speaker 1: bored of them. And I think that it shows because
Speaker 1: I think all of the best and most engaging superhero
Speaker 1: characters are not the superheroes. That are the shows that
Speaker 1: are centered around like regular ask people who happened to
Speaker 1: live in a superhero world? Yeah, wait, like which ones? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a terrible example, but I just bench watched Peacemaker,
Speaker 1: and I never thought I would want to watch Peacemaker
Speaker 1: because he's the worst character. He's the worst character in
Speaker 1: that thing, and I'm like, why do I want to watch?
Speaker 1: You had another like Vindication of a right wing white dude,
Speaker 1: and it's really well written. But then the like I
Speaker 1: don't even remember I don't remember actors or character names right, well,
Speaker 1: the like hacker guy in it. He's just this like
Speaker 1: regular guy who's just hanging out with all these people
Speaker 1: who are super trained killers, and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just try and save the world or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's he's the I like him, you know, and I
Speaker 1: like the regular characters within right, which is actually weirdly
Speaker 1: a defensive super I didn't even intend to come here
Speaker 1: and defend superhero movies. But but yeah, let's focus on
Speaker 1: the regular people, not the super people. The the point
Speaker 1: oh one per centers of this reality. What about the
Speaker 1: holoy out there just dealing with their normal people skills? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. Do we think we're headed in any direction
Speaker 1: other than more superhero movies all the time that there's
Speaker 1: definitely been some like dents in the Marvel armor a
Speaker 1: little bit with like the Eternals and shows movies like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at the most popular
Speaker 1: movie movies, it's it is for people who are like,
Speaker 1: not all movies should maybe be superhero movies. It's it's
Speaker 1: been pretty a pretty bleak time, I'd say, since the
Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic. Yeah, why why pandemic equals only
Speaker 1: superheroes is because you can shoot with fewer characters. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know. Or maybe people are
Speaker 1: just more receptive to the idea of like a savior
Speaker 1: with magical powers, like in a time of chaos, and
Speaker 1: you're like I don't know who else was the savior
Speaker 1: with magical powers in a time of chaos. Satan, that's right,
Speaker 1: m hm gave people a lot of information. That's what
Speaker 1: I remember. Yea, what is something you think is underrated? Okay,
Speaker 1: I think something that's underrated is and I tried to
Speaker 1: go for something a little bit less earnest, but I
Speaker 1: only came up with something super earnest. When workers take
Speaker 1: over their businesses and run them as co ops without bosses, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see it slowly cropping back up. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know that we're gonna talk about union stuff in
Speaker 1: a bit, but it's just that's the thing I've been
Speaker 1: seeing a little bit more of and I think is
Speaker 1: underrated and more people should too. Is giving us a
Speaker 1: recent example that you saw again, because we want to
Speaker 1: put give people the imagination rather than describing with something. Okay,
Speaker 1: So like there's a pizza shop in Baltimore called Joe
Speaker 1: Squared and during the pandemic it had to close, and
Speaker 1: because it was the pandemic, well it's still the pandemic,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, and it was a family run
Speaker 1: business and the workers and in this case it was
Speaker 1: actually very positive. They the owners just gave the business
Speaker 1: to their employees. Um, I believe I don't have all
Speaker 1: of the details in front of me about this. And
Speaker 1: basically we're like, well, you all want to keep running
Speaker 1: it and they're like, yeah, we do. And so now
Speaker 1: the workers run it as a worker's cooperative and it's
Speaker 1: it's open again and it's doing well. Um, and it's
Speaker 1: part of this kind of like growing ecosystem in Baltimore
Speaker 1: of these worker cooperatives. Like part of the reason Joe
Speaker 1: Square became one is I was across the street from
Speaker 1: a worker cooperative bookstore and cafe called Red Emma's and
Speaker 1: basically they all hung out all the time, and they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we don't, we don't have bosses. We
Speaker 1: all yeah, and like why does democracy and when you
Speaker 1: get to work, you know, like we're i mean democracy ended,
Speaker 1: you know, when when money got involved. But but like
Speaker 1: theoretically we have a saying political matters, why do we
Speaker 1: as soon as we get to work, we just accept
Speaker 1: that someone's in charge of us. It doesn't right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, I'm off to my I'm off to
Speaker 1: my gig or I go work in a despotic environment
Speaker 1: and don't ask questions because then I get my pittans
Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly, yeah, that's I feel like I hear
Speaker 1: mostly hear about it in like bike shops and and
Speaker 1: like cafes and stuff. But yeah, a pizza place is new.
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, well there's industry to write like um as
Speaker 1: a worker work around wind factory in Chicago whereafter they
Speaker 1: fired their bosses, they like bought it out as the
Speaker 1: business was failing. I don't remember the exact details. I
Speaker 1: think they actually had to stage some like sit ins
Speaker 1: and strikes and stuff to do this. Now they all
Speaker 1: make I think twice as much money as they used to,
Speaker 1: and the business itself is like substantially more profitable because like,
Speaker 1: who knows how to run a business like the workers. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't even mean to well, I guess I did
Speaker 1: mean to soapbox about this. I like wrote it down,
Speaker 1: is my thing to talk about it, but I it's
Speaker 1: so counter to what we're going down to talking about
Speaker 1: like with you know, the the CEOs mindset is I'd
Speaker 1: like to see you try Oh yeah, okay, I'd like
Speaker 1: this without me, And then you know, it turns out
Speaker 1: that it's much much better when that they do that,
Speaker 1: and but everything else is like propped up. Like people
Speaker 1: will even read iron Rand, like the people read that
Speaker 1: book just to justify the I'd like to see you
Speaker 1: try ideal at the core of America's like kind of system,
Speaker 1: and they're like, just actually well written. That was something
Speaker 1: I heard very early on. I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's also just fiction. It's a fiction, right,
Speaker 1: But they they found the one, they found that one
Speaker 1: story that's gonna make you good. All right, Well, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: some of this stuff and how it affects the news.
Speaker 1: And we're back. We're just talking West Virginia off Mike
Speaker 1: too hot for too Hot for TV. We can't we
Speaker 1: can't get into that live. But I'm learning about all
Speaker 1: the cool features, geographic features, difference between the panhand in
Speaker 1: the spike spike you think at the top spikey thing.
Speaker 1: All right, let's check him with the January six inquiries,
Speaker 1: investigations that are happening. Yeah, what's what's going on. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz last week, I mean mostly talking
Speaker 1: about the headlines dealing with a request from the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice asking the January six House Committee for you know,
Speaker 1: some interview trans square interview transcripts. And the line that
Speaker 1: a lot of people focused on was the one is
Speaker 1: that that they asked for these transcripts because they quote,
Speaker 1: may contain information relevant to a criminal investigation we are conducting.
Speaker 1: So you know, we've talked about the whole time, like
Speaker 1: how quiet Merrick Garland has been. Were like, uh, sir,
Speaker 1: you have to anything over there? Is this just kinda
Speaker 1: just waiting to see how things you know, shake out
Speaker 1: with the House Committee and then something's gonna go on.
Speaker 1: But this seems to get a lot of the legal
Speaker 1: observers and furists who are watching say like, oh no,
Speaker 1: this is significant, This is very significant, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: why is it significant? So they say that this now
Speaker 1: shows that the the investigations between the House Committee and
Speaker 1: Main Justice are beginning to overlap in terms of their
Speaker 1: findings of criminal behavior, and that the House Committee, you know,
Speaker 1: because they don't have the power to prosecute, they can
Speaker 1: only refer people to to to Main Justice. That they're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: so the Justice Department is clearly if they're gonna ask
Speaker 1: for this, they feel that there have some firm footing
Speaker 1: to really begin to go after the upper echelons of
Speaker 1: potentially some of the people that may have been evolved,
Speaker 1: which is, okay, that's heartening to hear, but again, I'll
Speaker 1: believe it when I see it. And you know, the
Speaker 1: other things is that because they say the other the
Speaker 1: other thing that they point to that has people excited, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Mark Garland famously doesn't like to have anything
Speaker 1: that the Justice Department does or his in his capacity
Speaker 1: and Justice look like anything is being politicized. So they're
Speaker 1: being very quiet. And if now they're beginning to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need these materials, it's indicating there's there's clearly a
Speaker 1: new face as that at least the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: has entered. So fine from that vague ten thousand foot view,
Speaker 1: something's happening. A lot of people have pointed to the
Speaker 1: fact that Bennie Thompson, who's the chairperson of that committee,
Speaker 1: has said he's not willing to share that material immediately.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people say this is just part
Speaker 1: of the back and forth between the House and Justice Department,
Speaker 1: where they're just they need an agreement over how the
Speaker 1: materials are used or shared or whatever. But meanwhile, while
Speaker 1: that's happening. The Washington Post also published that Jenny Thomas
Speaker 1: is back at it again or what not, that she's
Speaker 1: back at it again, that they've uncovered even more fuccory
Speaker 1: from Jenny Thomas, who is again the wife of Supreme
Speaker 1: Court Justice Clarence Thomas. They describe her as a conservative
Speaker 1: activist in this fist and I'm like, wow, okay, uh,
Speaker 1: that's that's quite an euphemistic. But they said that she
Speaker 1: was sending emails to electors in Virginia basically trying to
Speaker 1: push them to not accept what's happening with all the
Speaker 1: rampant fraud. The christ from the Washington Post quote the
Speaker 1: emails sent by Jenny Thomas to a pair of law
Speaker 1: makers on November argue that legislators needed to intervene because
Speaker 1: the vote had been marred by fraud. Though she did
Speaker 1: not mention either candidate by name, the context was clear.
Speaker 1: In days after media organizations called the race for Biden
Speaker 1: in Arizona and nationwide, Thomas urged the lawmakers again to
Speaker 1: quote stand strong in the face of political and media pressure.
Speaker 1: Now Margaret as a fellow activists in the Activists Handbook
Speaker 1: with where it tells you you know, be married to
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice and send email forwards to powerful friends
Speaker 1: that you met at the dinner party. Is that, you know,
Speaker 1: near the top of the list. How do you incorporate
Speaker 1: that into your playbook? Well, it's actually and it's it's
Speaker 1: in the appendices um because yeah, yeah, because that way
Speaker 1: you can kind of get the sort of plausible deniability
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I did that, but I didn't actually
Speaker 1: read it, because I read the whole book. I just
Speaker 1: didn't read that stuff at the back where they define
Speaker 1: the terms and then tell you to u pertend and
Speaker 1: to believe in law but not actually be believing in
Speaker 1: law at all, and then just try and grab power
Speaker 1: by any way you can. That's all. Yeah, it's all
Speaker 1: on the back, pretty standard stuff, right, Yeah. It's it's
Speaker 1: really wild to continue to see all of this happen,
Speaker 1: you know, just on one side. It's just all of
Speaker 1: these just clear as day examples of like, oh so
Speaker 1: we're just doing that and well only waiting for you know,
Speaker 1: I guess these bombshells as we see read constant in
Speaker 1: the New York Times in Washington posts like oh just
Speaker 1: wait when they do their public circus show in the
Speaker 1: beginning of June, the committee is going to have some
Speaker 1: real eye opening revelations, like we saw them happen all
Speaker 1: in real time. So yeah, I'm just I don't know
Speaker 1: what else you got? Thing is, what else could you
Speaker 1: possibly have that in their mind is going to completely
Speaker 1: be like the country's gonna get on the same page
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, you're you know, you're right. That
Speaker 1: was a bridge too far. We didn't. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like what was happening when Trump was in office,
Speaker 1: where it was like every day they're like, we have
Speaker 1: new evidence about why we're going to impeach him. You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's like year three and they're like, what we swear,
Speaker 1: we swear were working on this thing. It's about to happen,
Speaker 1: and we're like, all the bad stuff has already been
Speaker 1: happening for three years. There's worse stuff. Yeah, Robert Mueller's
Speaker 1: twelve Sexiest outfits, Robert Mueller beach ware looking like a beachware.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but yeah, it's again that apparently if you know,
Speaker 1: without the subpoenas that have gone on, and they say
Speaker 1: there's some people that you know, Bill Barrmate actually speak
Speaker 1: with the committee and who knows what he'll reveal, but
Speaker 1: you know, I it's it's hard to continue reading about
Speaker 1: all of this and then just sort of seeing like
Speaker 1: I've yet to really see the justice system work in
Speaker 1: a tangible way to protect anything at this point, like
Speaker 1: any like sucking anything. Ted Cruz just wanted the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: you know, for his own like for his own grievances
Speaker 1: about how he wanted to use his own campaign money,
Speaker 1: and we're like, this is okay, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we're free funing m Yeah. So the the subpoenas come
Speaker 1: home to roost in June is that when people start
Speaker 1: saying stuff that they didn't want to, that's the public hearings.
Speaker 1: That's when they they're the whole Show and Tell begins
Speaker 1: on TV baby, at which point they're they're just gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna show us a tip of January six and back, member, remember,
Speaker 1: oh no, anyway, vote for Democrats. Member. Wait and then
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, hold on, hold on, that was it
Speaker 1: all this time for just aree'll ago remember and then
Speaker 1: say vote for Democrats in November. Hey, remember in November? Okay,
Speaker 1: remember remember? Yeah, So I don't know, I'm sure I'll
Speaker 1: find out about it on Twitter if something big happens there.
Speaker 1: But I'm I I feel very hopeless by just that
Speaker 1: the tone of this, the it really does, Margaret to
Speaker 1: your point, really does remind me of the whole Trump
Speaker 1: presidency and Rachel Maddow coming on with the tax returns
Speaker 1: and it was like, get ready, motherfucker's it is time
Speaker 1: we got him. And then yeah, but then I think
Speaker 1: they failed to realize their own closeness to the people
Speaker 1: that they need to hold accountable. And you see how
Speaker 1: unable they are to do that because it's like they're
Speaker 1: like boom, there's like my cousin. Yeah, and they're fucking
Speaker 1: everything up and making life hell for most people here.
Speaker 1: Now fucking get your ship together and you know, pretend
Speaker 1: like you're some kind of legislator, but it's it's I
Speaker 1: think that's what's so disheartening, is like it's like the
Speaker 1: tools are there, but the will looks like absolute lutely
Speaker 1: just fucking just like webs in the wind. Damn. That
Speaker 1: was a good spider webs in the wind. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: anyone whouldn't see anyone who can see his hands, they
Speaker 1: were yeah, thank you. R did a little physical you know,
Speaker 1: I just just want to bring everybody into it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If Michael Winslow was a poet that of sound effects
Speaker 1: that we would get see, I can't do that. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about Starbucks. I'm making a run.
Speaker 1: What what? What's everyone? No? Starbucks Uh anti union tactics
Speaker 1: have been pretty transparent, open hostile. So it began at
Speaker 1: the end of last year with a store in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and as of May thirteen, reportedly sixty nine Starbucks stores
Speaker 1: have voted to form unions and nice. So you're never
Speaker 1: gonna guess who's not super thrilled about that Starbucks. Starbucks
Speaker 1: is super thrilled. Yeah. Well, so I should be clear.
Speaker 1: Starbucks views their employee as quote partners, which is interesting
Speaker 1: because like in a partnership, it's usually not like if
Speaker 1: Paul Simon made billions of dollars while Garfuncle was getting
Speaker 1: like fifteen dollars an hour, we probably wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: Bridge over Troubled Water from them. Also, they like to
Speaker 1: boast about the benefits that it offers their partners, including
Speaker 1: healthcare coverage, and we we heard about this NonStop when
Speaker 1: Howard Schultz, former CEO of Starbucks spoiler alert once again
Speaker 1: CEO of Starbucks, you know, in his memoir, but also
Speaker 1: when he was running for office, just loved to talk
Speaker 1: about how Starbucks employees. Uh so he knew heading in
Speaker 1: that if Starbucks employees had faith in me and my motives,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't need a union, which is how you know,
Speaker 1: cult leaders talk. But this is a detail that I
Speaker 1: had totally missed, And you know, it speaks to what
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier with the the that our
Speaker 1: country in general, our education system, our media controls information.
Speaker 1: How was it not like the first sentence after him
Speaker 1: making claims about getting healthcare for Starbucks employees, the first
Speaker 1: sentence after that should have been, actually, Starbucks employees first
Speaker 1: got healthcare in the eighties, not because of Howard Schultz,
Speaker 1: but because they were part of a union. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was there at the times and he so
Speaker 1: he was not. Then he took over as CEO after
Speaker 1: the union had negotiated that, and then went went about
Speaker 1: just spend his full time job became trying to like
Speaker 1: kill the union that got them healthcare. But then I
Speaker 1: guess he left the healthcare around because it's really hard
Speaker 1: to take away good, you know, good things from employees.
Speaker 1: Once they're instituted, but brought in consultants and attorneys specializing
Speaker 1: in anti union campaigns to assist decertification efforts, which is great, Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Howard Sults, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He says one thing, he means another. He's his terrible,
Speaker 1: ill deployed Holocaust anecdotes about sharing the blanket with his
Speaker 1: fellow partners. Remember that, like cringe, e ass all hands
Speaker 1: meeting he did, and he's like, like, in the Holocaust
Speaker 1: they had to share a blanket in the cars when
Speaker 1: they were going to concentration camps. And that that's that's
Speaker 1: really been in my mind, the idea that we all
Speaker 1: have to share the blanket. And that's what I've brought
Speaker 1: to Starbucks. And you're like, I'm sorry, who are who
Speaker 1: is Starbucks in that metaphor? But okay, And you know,
Speaker 1: I think this is what we've seen too, is like
Speaker 1: all of the pushback right because everyone said the importance
Speaker 1: of that buffalo unionizing effort is we just need a
Speaker 1: fucking Domado to fall, and they know, just like Amazon
Speaker 1: knows one falls, everybody else starts again getting the fucking
Speaker 1: imagine nation, the fucking vision for something different, and now
Speaker 1: look at it, they're just like looking at a you know,
Speaker 1: a fucking wave that they're trying to fight in a
Speaker 1: futile way of their partners wanting to unionize. At the
Speaker 1: national like messaging level, they're gasoline people claiming like, we're
Speaker 1: not anti union, we're just pro partner. But at the
Speaker 1: individual level, they're just fighting dirty as fun. We're not
Speaker 1: anti abortion, we're pro life. I mean, could you imagine
Speaker 1: if you were just like, you're in a partnership and
Speaker 1: like my boyfriend just like, oh, we're in a partnership,
Speaker 1: and I'm like great, so we're equals and like no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean like, oh no, I tell you what to
Speaker 1: do and then you do it, and then if you
Speaker 1: don't do it, I'm gonna make you homeless, and oh yeah, partnership, Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah totally, So you're an overlord. Yeah, I like partner
Speaker 1: were so last fall, after the Buffalo Starbucks began the
Speaker 1: process of starting a union election, Starbucks coincidentally closed the
Speaker 1: store for two months, innocently claiming it was suddenly going
Speaker 1: to be their new training center, and then out of
Speaker 1: town managers were showing up to work at Buffalo stores,
Speaker 1: not to spy on employees, of course, but just to
Speaker 1: listen to their concerns. Except unfortunately, one manager was caught
Speaker 1: on tape admitting that it was a quote last ditch
Speaker 1: effort to try and stop them from unionizing, and that
Speaker 1: there's a really interesting story about that Arizona Starbucks manager. Right,
Speaker 1: So this manager in Arizona, she taped this like staff
Speaker 1: meeting because she's like, this sounds like I thought it
Speaker 1: was about one thing, and it started they started talking
Speaker 1: about just straight up fucory where they're like, man, the
Speaker 1: unions are bad, like they're just gonna take up all
Speaker 1: this money. And you know, this one was like, okay, no,
Speaker 1: I need to put this on wax for everybody to
Speaker 1: hear later down the road. She was fired because of
Speaker 1: everything that can't the fallout from you know, exposing that
Speaker 1: that happening. But even before she taped that recording, I
Speaker 1: just want to play this it because she actually spoke
Speaker 1: to more perfect union just about like what her experience
Speaker 1: was like working at Starbucks before she finally like no,
Speaker 1: this is all kinds of fucked up. And namely, she
Speaker 1: had been diagnosed with cancer like a month before that,
Speaker 1: and when she was trying to talk with managers and
Speaker 1: things to say, how can I like survive or what
Speaker 1: can Starbucks do to help me given my health condition?
Speaker 1: This is it was just all a bunch of corporate
Speaker 1: funck us. I was asking to have fewer days. I
Speaker 1: was asking for what my other options were. I was
Speaker 1: told I could go on a leave of absence, but
Speaker 1: those are unpaid, and also you would have to pay
Speaker 1: your benefits out of your own pocket. And also you
Speaker 1: couldn't get a second job because then Starbucks wouldn't be
Speaker 1: required to give you benefits, which obviously wouldn't work for
Speaker 1: me because I can't be unpaid and paying bills right.
Speaker 1: I remember calling my district manager in tears. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't have family, I don't have friends, I have
Speaker 1: no one. What are I supposed to do? And they
Speaker 1: basically said fuck you. That goes on to say down
Speaker 1: the road she got there's a bronchitis outbreak at the
Speaker 1: store she was at and she had to come in
Speaker 1: and open because she had no other option but to
Speaker 1: come in sick, and then collapsed at work because she's
Speaker 1: dealing with cancer, She's just bronchitis. And they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta keep working, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: stay in there. So this is like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think many people have experienced things like this. You know
Speaker 1: where you you're up against, you know, a corporation or
Speaker 1: a management scheme that is saying you're not actually a person.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal, Like, we need bodies in that fucking store,
Speaker 1: and I don't give a ship what you're going through,
Speaker 1: and if not, we'll fuck it, you know, like capitalism
Speaker 1: is so brutal. I can toss you out and find
Speaker 1: another desperate person who's willing to completely exploit themselves because
Speaker 1: they have no other option. And that I think that
Speaker 1: context it was. I just wanted people to hear this
Speaker 1: person's voice because a lot of times when we talk
Speaker 1: about this, it's one thing to just sort of describe
Speaker 1: it and another to actually hear somebody say like I
Speaker 1: was talking to my company Starbucks, and they said, you
Speaker 1: better not get another job or else you don't need
Speaker 1: benefits from us. But it also guess that like what's
Speaker 1: so good about a union? You know, she's sitting in
Speaker 1: there and she's saying like, well, I don't have anything,
Speaker 1: I don't have friends, I don't have family, you know,
Speaker 1: Basically she's appealing to her boss is being like, you're
Speaker 1: the only ones I've got and they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: don't care. But that's what some beautiful about a union,
Speaker 1: if it's done right, It's like, well, now then you
Speaker 1: actually have each other, like not necessarily like the cold
Speaker 1: union bureaucracy, which can be good or bad or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you actually just have each other. You can take
Speaker 1: care of each other, and you can, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a structure in place to actually, you know, protect
Speaker 1: somebody's you know, they're acknowledge someone's humanity in a way
Speaker 1: that has tangible outcomes. Yeah, all right, let's actually take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: You'll you'll never guess who decided to come back and
Speaker 1: rejoin as the CEO. It's a major plot twist. It's
Speaker 1: Howard Schultz. It's yeah, that's who you would expect, and
Speaker 1: we're back. And so this is actually something the I'd
Speaker 1: like to see you try. I alone can fix it.
Speaker 1: Sort of megalomaniac ideology that I mean, one of those
Speaker 1: things with a direct quote from Trump. But you know,
Speaker 1: the people are also speculating that now that Bezos is
Speaker 1: like got these itchy Twitter fingers about tweeting about policy
Speaker 1: that it seems like, you know, that's usually symptom one
Speaker 1: that a billionaire is going to try and run for
Speaker 1: public office. And so also in in that vein, we've
Speaker 1: got Howard Schultz, the first union killing CEO of Starbucks,
Speaker 1: who had stepped down as CEO to run for the
Speaker 1: office and is now coming back calling it a volunteer
Speaker 1: position being paid a salary of one dollar, which is
Speaker 1: just right in line with that brave we're partners just
Speaker 1: public gestures at a national level, while at an actual
Speaker 1: interpersonal level like trying to kill people. You know, essentially,
Speaker 1: he he's back leading the push, and he immediately announced
Speaker 1: sizeable raises and new benefits for employees, but only the
Speaker 1: non unionized ones, which I think is illegal and discrimination
Speaker 1: against union members. And you know, the union said very clear,
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, you can do that. You can
Speaker 1: currently you can when they're trying to like get a
Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement, like we can't actually do anything right there.
Speaker 1: So that's why, like it's for the for the good kids,
Speaker 1: the good partners that aren't taking up for themselves. Also
Speaker 1: allegedly intimidating pro union employees cutting hours, and one employee
Speaker 1: in Denver, where Starbucks employees how to strike, was grilled
Speaker 1: by a corporate investigator over taking home leftover food, which
Speaker 1: you know everyone does leftover foods for garbage cans, fucking
Speaker 1: mouths that need them. Funck face, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm a corporate investor investigator. I mean, there's all those
Speaker 1: people who like put bleach on the like, like before
Speaker 1: you throw out the bagels at night, you better put
Speaker 1: bleach on them so that if any like people who
Speaker 1: need food go in there, they die and they're poisoned,
Speaker 1: because that's what they deserve for not having bootstraps on
Speaker 1: their bare feet. That's the problem. There's actually an amazing
Speaker 1: detail in this story where Starbucks investigators began grilling him
Speaker 1: repeatedly demanding the identities of workers who took food and
Speaker 1: demanding to know who was homeless. God my god, that's
Speaker 1: like they like like undercover unhoused employee, Like that's what
Speaker 1: they're worried about. That's what they don't have a home.
Speaker 1: We better fire the people who Yeah, we already I
Speaker 1: have no problem here. We there we take care of
Speaker 1: our employees, which of them are homeless. I still, I'm
Speaker 1: so to what end is that that? The optics they're like,
Speaker 1: we can't have someone who's unhoused working here because then
Speaker 1: that reinforces the idea of the working, unhoused person in
Speaker 1: this country. So we only want people who are struggling
Speaker 1: week to week, pray for a department, and that's who
Speaker 1: we want to exalt as our partners. Like what, I
Speaker 1: bet they think that they'll take food home if they're right.
Speaker 1: That seems to be what it was connected to. So
Speaker 1: they're homeless homies or something like that I've read about. God. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've launched an anti union propaganda website that states that
Speaker 1: partners are better side by side than sitting across a
Speaker 1: negotiating table and doing the standard unions or a business
Speaker 1: just like Starbucks, and they make money by collecting news,
Speaker 1: which is like the first line in on the ten
Speaker 1: things to Know about a union, Like anti union propaganda.
Speaker 1: Everything they've fired over twenty union leaders around the US
Speaker 1: for justifications as flimsy is purposely breaking a sink and
Speaker 1: swearing and yeah, and it's still they're getting their asking well,
Speaker 1: I think because it shows right there, because no matter
Speaker 1: what they do they that die has been cast like
Speaker 1: this is how workers feel. This is that too many
Speaker 1: people have experienced the working in America for nothing and
Speaker 1: no matter all. Like all the little raises you do,
Speaker 1: or fucking gift baskets or fucking fleece sweatshirts with their
Speaker 1: name embroider on it, it's not gonna make up for
Speaker 1: the just innate feeling of imbalance that exists when you're
Speaker 1: you know, you clock into a place like Starbucks, and
Speaker 1: even now you see how desperate the company is. They
Speaker 1: recently were like, hey, man, if you if you want,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you got to travel for
Speaker 1: an abortion or gender affirming medical procedures, will we'll we'll,
Speaker 1: we'll cover the cost to travel. But don't unionize. Don't unionize,
Speaker 1: We'll give you that. How about that? That sounded good? Right?
Speaker 1: And they just throw out these small, little like scraps
Speaker 1: to try and gestures if we're changing something, but the
Speaker 1: workers fundamentally don't think anything is changing. And I think
Speaker 1: so it's at this point it's odd to see them
Speaker 1: keep trying this without understanding like you might as well
Speaker 1: try and embrace this and figure out how to make
Speaker 1: it work for everyone. But and the the union dues
Speaker 1: thing always tris me crazy because it's like how bad
Speaker 1: do you think I am? At basic math? Because like, okay,
Speaker 1: everyone who has a union brings home more money than
Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't have a union, Like you just end
Speaker 1: up with more money. And so like I have a
Speaker 1: like I have a literary agent, right and and he
Speaker 1: gets of every book I sell. And I'm not like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that guy takes fIF of every book I
Speaker 1: saw because he looks at my contracts and then he
Speaker 1: negotiates them up more than I will. I am not
Speaker 1: losing money. I am grateful to pay him for the
Speaker 1: service that he does me of making me make more money.
Speaker 1: And that's what it means to pay a union do
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, this guy's job is to make sure
Speaker 1: I get paid a lot. I'm really excited to hire
Speaker 1: him because you are hiring your union reps, you know,
Speaker 1: like anyway. But they yeah, but they always used the
Speaker 1: imagery of like these union fat cats, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm sorry is the early nineties, like smear at like
Speaker 1: really cats, like you think that's gonna work on millennial
Speaker 1: and gen Z workers don't get funk about like what
Speaker 1: fat cat? No motherfucker I have barely anything, and I
Speaker 1: need to like I need the minimum what to due
Speaker 1: to me as a human being? How about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's so like the the use of progressive social
Speaker 1: politics like Starbucks is also the place where they took
Speaker 1: a day off to talk about race and then like
Speaker 1: try to put it on their employees to have conversations
Speaker 1: about race with like customers. But then yeah, this thing
Speaker 1: about like paying for people to travel and stuff like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's so toxic to any progressive movement for
Speaker 1: that to be used as a like screen for just
Speaker 1: retrograde like anti leftist you know, fiscal policy and like
Speaker 1: abuse of employees. That's going to do more harm than
Speaker 1: like the right could ever do to to those ideas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, you can talk about anything but class. We
Speaker 1: will talk about all forms of oppression except for the
Speaker 1: fact that you can't afford to eat food. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about class collaboration. You'll funk it with crypto
Speaker 1: like wait, huh, hold on, no, that's another Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it is a very it all comes together. I think
Speaker 1: in this way that for people who are just fundamentally
Speaker 1: like have the experience of lack, none of this ship
Speaker 1: is going to convince you until that you experience the
Speaker 1: opposite of it, until you experience abundance. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that's gonna like slow down the momentum here. But
Speaker 1: that's they can't do that. Their shareholders will lose their
Speaker 1: ship if things like that begin to happen. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess good luck with the empty gestures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the empty gestures the sort of you know, broad like
Speaker 1: word play at a national level, Like it feels like
Speaker 1: that ship, which is like fully what the like mainstream
Speaker 1: Democratic Party and a lot of their corporate partners have
Speaker 1: bought into. It feels like that has officially just run out.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that the you know quote at
Speaker 1: the end of this that says it's shocking how badly
Speaker 1: they're getting the ship kicked out them. I think there
Speaker 1: was a lot of people saying similar things about Connor Lamb,
Speaker 1: this Democratic like wonder boy Darling who was running for
Speaker 1: the Senate and got the ship kicked out of him
Speaker 1: by like sort of an outsider candidate in shorts. And
Speaker 1: it just feels like there is a overall movement like
Speaker 1: the all these shocking ass beatings are happening in the
Speaker 1: same direction, and it seems like it would be very
Speaker 1: obvious and like an overwhelming message at the time, is
Speaker 1: right for democrats to like run to the left and
Speaker 1: embrace unions and embrace you know, people, the actual humans
Speaker 1: and workers, and the fact that each time is being
Speaker 1: treated as like, what the heck is going on here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a pack spent four million dollars trying to defeat some
Speaker 1: early how did she win? A pack spent millions trying
Speaker 1: to the formulas now working anymore. Yeah, it's just there's
Speaker 1: a the sort of mainstream media and mainstream democrat apparatus
Speaker 1: just feels like they're there's just a it's gone dark,
Speaker 1: like they can't communicate. They're realizing, like the relationship between
Speaker 1: you know, the d n C and like leadership and
Speaker 1: what normal people are experiencing is like they're at that phase,
Speaker 1: like in a relationship where you keep saying, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the dishes, don't worry, I'm gonna do the dishes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the dishes. I'm gonna get to
Speaker 1: the dishes, and they believe you for a minute until
Speaker 1: they go in the kitchen and the dish piles of
Speaker 1: fascist fucking gundam made up of funked up pots and pants,
Speaker 1: and now it's trying to vaporize when all your fucking
Speaker 1: rights and then you're like, what the funk happened in here?
Speaker 1: And by that, I mean turn them into a gundam exactly.
Speaker 1: And also I'm glad you're here. Can you loan me
Speaker 1: fourteen dollars so I can tackle this fascist stack of
Speaker 1: dishes I created with my ineptitude? The funk are you
Speaker 1: talking about? And now they want people to believe that
Speaker 1: ship that's bullshit, And I think that's what they're not
Speaker 1: realizing is the pile of dishes has become too high.
Speaker 1: And what you need to overcome now is that you
Speaker 1: prove you can do the fucking dishes. That's it. Just
Speaker 1: do one of them, fucking pick any one of them.
Speaker 1: Fucking what anything, voting rights, Maybe tile Jacks credit, a
Speaker 1: tile Jacks child tax credit and credit til Jacks credit.
Speaker 1: I mean that that would even sound cool when people
Speaker 1: might believe it was a child tax credit. But that's
Speaker 1: what I think is like they're like, article after article
Speaker 1: is about how the establishment is not understanding what's going wrong,
Speaker 1: and they don't. It's the most basic. They're not dumb.
Speaker 1: They're they're just picking their class allegiance over their ostensible
Speaker 1: political values. They're like, the Democratic Party is the party
Speaker 1: of capitalism as at least as much as the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: And but the actual people who vote Democrat don't like
Speaker 1: capitalism anymore because people eventually figured out what was happening, um,
Speaker 1: and the sort of shadow of the Soviet Union has
Speaker 1: fallen long enough that people no longer have to look
Speaker 1: at that horrible example. And and so the Democrats are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we like capitalism, right, and everyone's like, no, we we don't,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know. I I don't think
Speaker 1: that they're like, I mean, they're lying to us, but
Speaker 1: I don't think they're I don't think they're dumb. Well no,
Speaker 1: I think more of that dumb in the sense that
Speaker 1: their their time, like the tools of misinformation that used
Speaker 1: to work really well aren't. And I think they haven't
Speaker 1: come to the realization that the populace isn't feeling no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, you know, And they're like, what the
Speaker 1: heck it's like usually do this. I put my kin
Speaker 1: take cloth on, and I kneel with Colin Kaepernick, and
Speaker 1: then they don't. They don't realize I've completely done nothing
Speaker 1: about police violence, you know, or I put a trans
Speaker 1: flag outside my office, and then you don't and I
Speaker 1: don't have to speak on like untold accounts of violence
Speaker 1: that are occurring across the country because I did my gesture.
Speaker 1: What the funk? The gestures aren't working, And I think
Speaker 1: on that level, it's and to that point is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only way for it to work, like you're saying, Margaret,
Speaker 1: is that they have to give up the ghost on
Speaker 1: capitalism and they can't do that. So now we're just
Speaker 1: watching it fucking the machine, just like like someone through
Speaker 1: a cinder block that fucking dryer and they're like, they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're sing. It's like, yeah, no ship,
Speaker 1: Like everybody's burnt out, like nobody's believing them. Like so
Speaker 1: many people aren't buying the myth anymore, but you but
Speaker 1: you're And I think that's the hard that's the hardest
Speaker 1: pill for them to swallow, is that there are more
Speaker 1: and more people aren't his into the myth, and what
Speaker 1: do you do with that? Yeah, I mean the labor
Speaker 1: movement in the US has always been pretty you know,
Speaker 1: has faced a stiff headwind. It's not a lot of
Speaker 1: tail winds for the labor movement. But is there anything
Speaker 1: to learn from the history or you know, activism or
Speaker 1: you know those Yeah, well I can tell you about
Speaker 1: some cool people who did some cool stuff really quickly. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I don't have my notes in front of me,
Speaker 1: so consider this the storyteller mode. When I do my
Speaker 1: actual podcast, I'm like, and in this date, the following
Speaker 1: person whose name I remember did the following things. Um.
Speaker 1: But the way that my brain works is that when
Speaker 1: the details aren't in front of me, they kind of
Speaker 1: drift away into the story. So if you want the details,
Speaker 1: you should listen my podcast. But basically, like, for example,
Speaker 1: the fight for the eight hour work day have been
Speaker 1: going on for hundreds of years before it eventually kind
Speaker 1: of worked and we kind of have the eight hour workday.
Speaker 1: Very few people I know actually have the eight hour
Speaker 1: work day actually now, but you know, theoretically we have it,
Speaker 1: and it it kind of came to a head when
Speaker 1: basically a whole bunch of anarchists and and other socialists
Speaker 1: started gaining more and more power in the in the
Speaker 1: the union movement in the eighteen seventies, eighteen eighties, and
Speaker 1: there was all these huge strikes, and what people forget
Speaker 1: is that a lot of these strikes they were they
Speaker 1: were life or death fights. People talk about like, oh,
Speaker 1: these crazy radicals, like at the end of this story,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna throw a bomb, right, But what had been
Speaker 1: happening prior to that was, you know, there was this
Speaker 1: great railroad strike that started and I think western Maryland
Speaker 1: and swept through West Virginia and it went out all
Speaker 1: the way out west is the way they describe it
Speaker 1: at the time, which means all the way to Chicago.
Speaker 1: You know. So the entire country from Maryland to Chicago
Speaker 1: was was shut down by this railroad strike. And so
Speaker 1: the National Guard militias, like all of these different groups
Speaker 1: got together and just murdered workers. Cops were just just
Speaker 1: shoot down. Yeah. Yeah, West Virginia in particular, they whenever
Speaker 1: workers gone strike, they sometimes just get machine gunned, and
Speaker 1: you know, and basically at some point people started being like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't we don't like sitting here and getting machine gunned,
Speaker 1: and so all of these labor speeches started being like, look,
Speaker 1: we either starved to death, because that's what's happening, or
Speaker 1: we die in the streets fighting for our our rights,
Speaker 1: and that we get to take home the stuff we make,
Speaker 1: right like, because at the end of the day, a
Speaker 1: lot of the labor movement is just literally about like,
Speaker 1: we made the stuff. Why do you get the money
Speaker 1: for the stuff we made? You know? Because like, for example,
Speaker 1: that guy who's now taking a dollar salary, right as
Speaker 1: if that means anything to him. But rich people aren't
Speaker 1: paid by salaries. Rich people are paid by owning things,
Speaker 1: and so they're paid by the money that other people make.
Speaker 1: And so all of this comes to a head in
Speaker 1: in haymarket. Basically the worker, the workers, socialist and anarchists
Speaker 1: sort of both anarchists get kind of written out of history.
Speaker 1: And actually so to socialists in this country they're organizing,
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we just want an eight hour
Speaker 1: work day at the very least, and so we're going
Speaker 1: to call for a general strike on May one, eight six.
Speaker 1: And on May first, eight six, like hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of workers go out on strike across the country, especially
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and a lot of a lot of bosses
Speaker 1: are like, fine, we get it. You get eight hours
Speaker 1: a day instead of like the fourteen hours a day
Speaker 1: often that people were working, and but a lot of
Speaker 1: other places weren't, and so people keep going on strike.
Speaker 1: So then at a particular factory, the McCormick Reaper Factory,
Speaker 1: which is a really metal name for a farming equipment
Speaker 1: factory in Chicago, Hell yeah, these people who are making
Speaker 1: reapers all day, they're throwing rocks at scabs. They're hanging
Speaker 1: out outside and basically the people who come in and
Speaker 1: take their jobs when they're out on strike, they're throwing
Speaker 1: rocks at them. And so the cops come up and
Speaker 1: start shooting into the crowd and kill several people, and
Speaker 1: several the people involved in all that were anarchist and socialists.
Speaker 1: But the anarchists sort of catch the brunt of this
Speaker 1: particular repression. So the anarchists call for a rally on
Speaker 1: Haymarket Square on on the fourth they call for this rally.
Speaker 1: Everyone goes being like, what's gonna happen, What's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: And nothing is going to happen. So it's a nice,
Speaker 1: peaceful rally. At the end of it, the mayor comes
Speaker 1: and the mayor hangs out and he's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: rally seems okay, everything's going okay, and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to head home. But the the chief of
Speaker 1: police in that area really really doesn't like these people,
Speaker 1: and he's been looking for an excuse to come in
Speaker 1: and not just crackheads, but shoot people basically. And so
Speaker 1: he shows up at the very end once people are
Speaker 1: starting to disperse and people are afraid that he's gonna
Speaker 1: start shooting. I don't know whatever happens, and then someone
Speaker 1: throws a bomb at the cops. A couple of cops die,
Speaker 1: and then a lot of cops die in the ensuing
Speaker 1: gunfight because all of the cops are one shooting, and
Speaker 1: they shoot each other a lot, and there's this massacre.
Speaker 1: It's called the Haymarket massacre. A bunch of people die
Speaker 1: on both sides. But a lot of the evidence is
Speaker 1: that whenever anyway, cops did almost all the shooting, which
Speaker 1: I honestly I wouldn't. I'm not trying to come at
Speaker 1: someone who's like, they keep killing us, maybe we should
Speaker 1: shoot back. I'm not trying to come up about that.
Speaker 1: So then they they arrest a whole bunch of people
Speaker 1: and they charged them not with having thrown the bomb
Speaker 1: or knowing who threw the bomb or having anything to
Speaker 1: do with the bombing. They charged them literally with being anarchists.
Speaker 1: They're like, we don't like you, we want you to die.
Speaker 1: And so actually the people who defended them, like their
Speaker 1: lawyer was not an anarchist. Their lawyer just believed in law.
Speaker 1: He was like, you can't do that. You can't put
Speaker 1: people on trial for their beliefs in the United States
Speaker 1: or whatever. But you can. Actually it's a very effective thing.
Speaker 1: And they got found guilty and they got hanged, a
Speaker 1: bunch of them. And the thing that came out of
Speaker 1: it at the very beginning was this huge backlash against
Speaker 1: the labor movement. They're like, oh, these terrible, filthy anarchists,
Speaker 1: they're throwing bombs, they're murdering everyone, and so there's this
Speaker 1: immediate contraction of the labor movement. But then it it
Speaker 1: came back much stronger once people started seeing what a
Speaker 1: terrible injustice was happening, and their deaths sparked well, they
Speaker 1: reinvigorated the fight for the day at our work day,
Speaker 1: which wasn't actually really one in the United States until
Speaker 1: I believe the nineteen twenties or something like that. But
Speaker 1: they sparked internationally a huge amount of the labor movement.
Speaker 1: And so there's this like May versus the Workers Day
Speaker 1: and every country except the United States, and it's literally
Speaker 1: because the United States is like afraid of commemorating the
Speaker 1: haymarket anarchists. So those are some example of cool people
Speaker 1: did cool stuff. My my My show gets into a
Speaker 1: lot of like the individual people, the individual martyrs, the
Speaker 1: individual organizers. I conjecture about who actually through the bomb,
Speaker 1: who has never been found in history. So you get
Speaker 1: your little true crime stuff in there. Amazing, that's amazing
Speaker 1: that that is not a story that we all learn, like,
Speaker 1: especially when that is the main story that is the
Speaker 1: undercurrent of all American history up to this point is
Speaker 1: you know, the fight between labor and capital. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so that day is honored in other countries and not
Speaker 1: in the United Yeah, there's like basically as far as
Speaker 1: I again, I don't have the details in the years
Speaker 1: and might like burned into my memory. But the more liberal,
Speaker 1: the less radical labor unions were totally fine to go
Speaker 1: along with the government when to create Labor Day as
Speaker 1: an alternative instead of May Day, which is celebrated all
Speaker 1: around the world, and then kind of unfortunately, um, may
Speaker 1: Day kind of became slightly more like like the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union was like really into may Day, even though they
Speaker 1: also like killing all the anarchists for being an anarchist.
Speaker 1: So I don't really like letting them have it either.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, uh, And then all over the world
Speaker 1: you'd go and you know, in the end of the
Speaker 1: nineteenth century and there'll be photos of the Haymarket martyrs
Speaker 1: on the wall in every like union hall, because people
Speaker 1: are like, these are the people who you know, were
Speaker 1: killed just literally for well in this case, they were
Speaker 1: killed for not eight hour work day. They were killed
Speaker 1: because they wanted to end capitalism. They wanted workers to
Speaker 1: get to keep the stuff they make, keep the value
Speaker 1: of what they make. No, right, all right, well thank
Speaker 1: you for what a what a great illustration of exactly
Speaker 1: what we're talking about in the where this lack of
Speaker 1: imagination for revolution kind of comes from. Yeah, and never
Speaker 1: let people know what they can do collective. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just don't put the instruction manual to that out there
Speaker 1: or let people know that's a thing. Okay, wait, I
Speaker 1: have I have a for a second, But then people
Speaker 1: like that lesbian sex in the UK, they were going
Speaker 1: to outlaw it, and I think the early nine twenties
Speaker 1: this came up in some other research I was doing
Speaker 1: about history of a sex, which is another cool thing
Speaker 1: that people do, and and they were going to outlaw
Speaker 1: it in the UK. But then you can you can
Speaker 1: read the notes from Parliament or whatever the fun the
Speaker 1: UK uses to govern itself and they're like, they're like,
Speaker 1: we can't outlaw this because it will give women ideas. Oh,
Speaker 1: because they're like, it's all these men, and they're like,
Speaker 1: women can do that. No, no woman has ever thought
Speaker 1: of such a thing, except a few Atlantish cases. We
Speaker 1: can't put into law. They'll go out and do it.
Speaker 1: Na na, no, no, no, no, no no, keep it legal,
Speaker 1: keep it. Don't put an instruction manual out for satisfaction
Speaker 1: of female sex organs. That's the law. And then don't
Speaker 1: do this, and then don't do this. And then if
Speaker 1: she is responding like this, don't do this and definitely
Speaker 1: don't do this. Margaret killed Joy, such a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you on daily, Like, guys, thanks checking out her show.
Speaker 1: Cool people who did cool stuff? And where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that good stuff. I'm on
Speaker 1: Twitter way more often than I wish I was, which
Speaker 1: is at Magpie kill Joy. And I'm on Instagram way
Speaker 1: less than I way more than I wish I was
Speaker 1: at Margaret Killjoy. And you can find my books by
Speaker 1: searching my name and things like that. And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Oh yes, the tweet I picked fits
Speaker 1: in very well with all of this. Jake Hanrahan War
Speaker 1: correspondent tweeted on another military enlistment building in Russia set
Speaker 1: on fire by activists. This one is on the outskirts
Speaker 1: of Moscow. All right, Yeah, they keep going up. Hmm,
Speaker 1: they keep going up. Miles. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh boy, you can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
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Speaker 1: elevated fashion. Um, let's see some tweets that I like.
Speaker 1: The first one is actually from Summerly, who just won
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania despite the outside spending. Dave Washerman tweeted, I've
Speaker 1: seen enough state. Rep. Summer Ly wins the p A
Speaker 1: twelve DEM primary, defeating Steve Irwin, and she tweeted four
Speaker 1: point five mill fire emoji and garbage can because that's
Speaker 1: how much outside spending was done to keep a freaking
Speaker 1: corporate dem. There's like, no, no no, no, no, we can't
Speaker 1: get these people who are like saying stuff about apartheid states. No,
Speaker 1: like talk like that. Another one is from uh, let's see, oh,
Speaker 1: pixelated Boat atpixelated Boat tweeted, just as Elon Musk predicted,
Speaker 1: now that he's a Republican, his political enemies are smearing
Speaker 1: him by making him pay two fifty thousand dollars four
Speaker 1: years ago to settle a sexual miscard. Yes, the Time
Speaker 1: Travelers won again. And then finally, just from Jason Concepcion
Speaker 1: at Network with the three instead of E tweeted, well,
Speaker 1: I'm a fascist now and it's your fault and that's
Speaker 1: every billionaire after getting roasted online. Yep, that was my
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien.
Speaker 1: It was the one tweet I read while I was
Speaker 1: sick these past two days. But see if anything, I
Speaker 1: was assisting you, was lending you my voice. Alley oop
Speaker 1: and I dunked at home. That was my That was it?
Speaker 1: There was It was that one. But yeah, check out
Speaker 1: the robbert Ory episode of Miles and Jack on that
Speaker 1: boost that Oh yeah, that was a blast, a true
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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
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Speaker 1: what song do we think people I'd enjoy? Actually, Margaret,
Speaker 1: are you cool if if we go out on a
Speaker 1: feminine pool track? Yeah? Sure please do please? Let's I
Speaker 1: mean I would let let you pick one. What do
Speaker 1: you think is a good entry song for people like
Speaker 1: I like metal? You know, Massy Sugar. In a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks but I'm curious what other like, what you
Speaker 1: think is a good track, just to get the people interested,
Speaker 1: because we we we touched on your your genius. So
Speaker 1: let's let's indulge, all right. Well, one of our weirdest
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