Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two thirty six,
Speaker 1: Episode five of Jedi Prorection of High Heart Radio. Whoa uh.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. It is Friday, May thirteen. Two
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know if that was sarcasm,
Speaker 1: but I heard from my guest co host. But the
Speaker 1: show never goes bad anyways. My name is Jack O'Brien.
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Speaker 1: for all the people losing money. Actually I don't feel
Speaker 1: great about it. I don't feel fine. That's that for them,
Speaker 1: and it's not their fault. It's complicated though. So I
Speaker 1: am thrilled to be joined by a very special guest
Speaker 1: co host who you've already heard from. He's and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read the quote he told me to back
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Speaker 1: thing I do other than kick ass, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a wordy way to kind of come in, but
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Speaker 1: I like, you know, Staples Center was already kind of
Speaker 1: like the whole you know, commercialization of this thing that
Speaker 1: we like for sports, and then Crypto dot Com arena
Speaker 1: is awful, But the crypt is a cool name. That's cool. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you will be sued if you helped that. You have
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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third and
Speaker 1: eventually fourth seats, but a couple of New York Times
Speaker 1: best selling dang authors. I'm the host of the extremely
Speaker 1: popular YouTube series and podcast Just Between Us, where they
Speaker 1: try to destigmatize the world one episode at a time.
Speaker 1: It is the brilliant and talented Gabby Done and Alice
Speaker 1: and Rascue. Hi. Hello, I'm here first and Alison will
Speaker 1: be joining us this. This is me Gabby Done. Hi,
Speaker 1: Hi Done. Thank you for joining us. Oh, thank you
Speaker 1: for having me? What what is new in your world?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you in Los Angeles? I'm in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I go sometimes to a remote cabin in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: but other than that mostly in Los Angeles. A great escape,
Speaker 1: good thing to have. Where are you, Daniel? Are you
Speaker 1: in a TV? I am I'm currently in a television
Speaker 1: I'm actually in space right now. This is just a
Speaker 1: fun little prank that I love to pull on Jack
Speaker 1: is having all of my my twitch production bullshit onlines
Speaker 1: that I can do all sorts of dumb things. Whenever
Speaker 1: we're doing a podcast on smoke can turn on my
Speaker 1: many faces and just kind of like hang out and
Speaker 1: distract from what is an audio medium. This is the listeners,
Speaker 1: but it's all for everybody here. That's for those of
Speaker 1: you enjoying this on an audio platform. Daniel has a
Speaker 1: setup where it looks like he's on television and also
Speaker 1: in space. Indeed, maybe relative to what we're talking about
Speaker 1: later we'll just see we will on a television in
Speaker 1: the year that is also on Hollywood Boulevard. You nailed
Speaker 1: it in the right, Would that be the seventies? Uh No,
Speaker 1: it's actually a relatively recent picture. You can see the
Speaker 1: little space the space thing over here is a little
Speaker 1: clue and as to what era it is, and that
Speaker 1: Ford Fusion right there on the bottom left it Ford
Speaker 1: Fusion gives you a little peek into the contemporary era
Speaker 1: in which this picture was taken. But enough about me
Speaker 1: and my background, Yabby, We're we're thrilled to have you here.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. Oh thank you. I pride myself
Speaker 1: on being able to pick out a Ford Fusion anytime
Speaker 1: I see it in miniature. But yeah, kind of stupid
Speaker 1: not look like I look fucking idiot. I apologize. We'll
Speaker 1: see if we can recover over the length of the episode.
Speaker 1: All Right, Gabby and eventually alisonwhere gonna get to know
Speaker 1: you both a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things that
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. So we got a couple of
Speaker 1: stories that in addition to hosting Bad with Money, Gabby,
Speaker 1: you know you you both spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: answering questions from your listeners. So I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you both about just the uh, the couple of stories,
Speaker 1: the great resignation, the great resignation I call it. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you do, since you're young and cool as well,
Speaker 1: and if we have time, the crypto collapse, and just
Speaker 1: what you're seeing as you look at things both, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to understand these things, but also talking talking to listeners.
Speaker 1: I my only the only people I talked to her
Speaker 1: like Hollywood big wigs like Matt Day. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know you're out there talking to the peace. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. I'm the people's prince. Um,
Speaker 1: I understand that I'm out on the streets I'm out
Speaker 1: on the streets talking to the average citizens. That's how
Speaker 1: I represent. Yeah, I well, I do a podcast about money,
Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about the Great Resignation. But
Speaker 1: I liked that NPR. I think NPR called it the
Speaker 1: Great Negotiate Renegotiation. Yeah, And I don't think it's people
Speaker 1: that don't want to work. I think it's people that
Speaker 1: are realizing that working conditions are actually incredibly unfair and
Speaker 1: are now deciding to renegotiate what it looks like to work.
Speaker 1: And if you are a business who cannot afford to
Speaker 1: pay people a living wage, then you are failing as
Speaker 1: a business, and it is not a failure of the employees.
Speaker 1: So that's getting people to understand that has been a
Speaker 1: little bit of an uphill battle. Yes, it has. Well,
Speaker 1: we we're going to talk about that in just a
Speaker 1: little bit. We are joined by Alice and Raskin. Also, Alison,
Speaker 1: you missed the very exciting introduction, but you know, we
Speaker 1: mentioned that you're both New York Times best selling authors,
Speaker 1: and now we answer a lot of questions, and they asked,
Speaker 1: you know, how does it when because we're such people
Speaker 1: of the people, Because you and I talked to the
Speaker 1: average person. So much on just between us and I'm
Speaker 1: bad with money. What have we been hearing from the
Speaker 1: youth about about work and the great resignation? And I said, oh,
Speaker 1: we hear so much because we are on the pulse.
Speaker 1: We talked to the young people. We are basically gen
Speaker 1: Z by association. I was saying that we've heard, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot from people that are like, well, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just have realized that I've been treated unfairly my
Speaker 1: whole life and going into the workforce. I I've seen
Speaker 1: my parents treated unfairly, and I have decided that is
Speaker 1: not acceptable to me. So that's what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Do you have thoughts, Allison. We're going to get to
Speaker 1: all that in act to this is still the preview
Speaker 1: that that is a great preview, a great snapshot of
Speaker 1: what we're going to be hearing. That. We have some
Speaker 1: space space stuff. D Daniel is a real space freak,
Speaker 1: as you can see, coming to you from space here
Speaker 1: in my little television on Hollywood Boulevard. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about space as I'm currently flying through it. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're moving on to space. We went from the ground
Speaker 1: to space. Yes, it's it's everything in between you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but before we get to any of that, we do
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 1: search history that is revealing about who you are or
Speaker 1: what you're up to? Gabby, you want to kick us off? Oh,
Speaker 1: I Harry Styles g Q is one of the last
Speaker 1: things that I looked up because I'm on a gender journey.
Speaker 1: I just started testosterone, I'm I'm having and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find, you know, a fashion inspiration that is a
Speaker 1: bit gender bending and gender fluid, and so that's one
Speaker 1: thing that I that's the truly the last thing I googled.
Speaker 1: TVH honestly, is quote Harry Styles g Q a great fit?
Speaker 1: And yeah, my answer, my answer is embarrassing. But because
Speaker 1: I just had this book come out, I just keep
Speaker 1: googling my own book. Um if people are leaving reviews
Speaker 1: to see feedback, so that that's my real disclosure. And
Speaker 1: then I'm currently working on my next book, which is
Speaker 1: like an examination of marriage, and so I'm also googling
Speaker 1: a lot of divorce lawyers and financial advisors and stuff,
Speaker 1: and so very me centric, work centric googling happening. And
Speaker 1: do you see a lot of Google ads now popping up.
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, sending you relationship advice books and
Speaker 1: things that suggest that they're listening in on your searches
Speaker 1: of divorce attorneys. Oh no, but you know, I guess
Speaker 1: my other dirty secret is I love to look at
Speaker 1: engagement rings, so I get sent a lot of engage
Speaker 1: room ring advertisement. What is something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: I think being really busy is overrated. You love to
Speaker 1: brag that they're so busy, and I'm like, oh, sucks,
Speaker 1: sucks you. Oh yeah, I think I think having some
Speaker 1: time just to hang out and to not be busy
Speaker 1: and to to take a deep breath is really wonderful.
Speaker 1: How I wrote down a bunch of things because I'm
Speaker 1: a hater, but I'll say I wrote down, um, my
Speaker 1: top one was having abs, which I think sounds just
Speaker 1: like hard to maintain, hard to do. I remember it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, such a thing in the like
Speaker 1: nineties and early os was like you gotta be ripped.
Speaker 1: But as I got older, I realized what goes into
Speaker 1: being ripped. And it's like you can't eat anything, you
Speaker 1: can't of any time in the day you that's all
Speaker 1: you can think about is your body. And nothing else.
Speaker 1: And I'm if you have abs, find good for you,
Speaker 1: that's something you like. But I just think it's I
Speaker 1: just think having abs as like a metric for health
Speaker 1: is incredibly overrated. And and I don't it's not that
Speaker 1: don't impress me much as Shanna Plaine wants said bringing
Speaker 1: it back to Harry styles, Yeah, like who like honestly
Speaker 1: like people with men with abs and women with abs
Speaker 1: are like in superhero movies and you're like, wow, good
Speaker 1: for you, but like that, And then I think Hollywood
Speaker 1: is like, that's who you want to can I say
Speaker 1: a bad word, Yes, that's who you want to fuck.
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's not actually who you want to fuck,
Speaker 1: but thank you for showing this does And nobody fux
Speaker 1: them in the movies. Nobody. They're commun sexless movies, Like
Speaker 1: the camera doesn't even want to suck them. They're just
Speaker 1: you know, vaguely hot people who seem completely a sexual.
Speaker 1: It's completely beauty standards are completely to connected from who's
Speaker 1: actually having sex. And that's my thesis. And I'm running
Speaker 1: for president. You have, thank you so much. Both of
Speaker 1: those overrated's also seemed to be in conjunction. It's like,
Speaker 1: have some time for your leisure because we don't necessarily
Speaker 1: care about having abs anymore. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't have to spend my one waking hour going
Speaker 1: to the gym to work on my ABS. I can
Speaker 1: hang out and maybe explore space. I just remembered like hearing,
Speaker 1: especially the honesty that comes with it now, like when
Speaker 1: like Kumal Nan Johnny was like, oh I did nothing
Speaker 1: else but have the get these abs and it sucked,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, exactly, so funny. I almost picked diets
Speaker 1: as my answer for it. There's something all right over it,
Speaker 1: yea over it. Just starve yourself to the point where
Speaker 1: you have no energy and then but you have abs
Speaker 1: and so like as you're nodding off, you can look
Speaker 1: down and like see you're you're cool and ABS doesn't
Speaker 1: even mean healthy. I don't know what we got all
Speaker 1: screwed up in the early Yeah. I think there was
Speaker 1: a episode of the Doughe Boys podcast where they had Chris,
Speaker 1: we're not pine, what's what's the Chris Chris Pratt Chris Pratt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Dan, you're a Doughe Boys listener, Dope Boys efficient
Speaker 1: auto over here. When Chris Pratt came on, wasn't he
Speaker 1: kind of honest about how to suck? All he wanted
Speaker 1: to do was like the other food that he wanted
Speaker 1: to eat, and was just like, Nope, can't do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to just look hot for you know, Guardians
Speaker 1: of the Galaxy. Honestly, because I'm on my way to
Speaker 1: male beauty standards, I'm maybe getting out ahead of it.
Speaker 1: I'm like a year immediately. Yeah, like in a year. O.
Speaker 1: Like I've been on toes saucerone for a year, and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, am sucked? Right? I've been singing that
Speaker 1: tune for a year? How do you want to make
Speaker 1: sure the male beauty standards are ready? When you're Ru'm
Speaker 1: just let the water cooler go and like, you know
Speaker 1: what we hate? What's What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: My answer is asking for help. I love to ask
Speaker 1: for help. I do it all the time, and I
Speaker 1: think people are so uncomfortable doing it or view it
Speaker 1: as a weakness, and I'm like, oh man, just ask
Speaker 1: for help. I'm recovering from pretty major knee surgery and
Speaker 1: I've had to have people help me a lot along
Speaker 1: the way. And when I landed in New York. I
Speaker 1: went landed in LaGuardia during my book tour and I
Speaker 1: my mom was traveling with me, which was so nice,
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know what, we should just
Speaker 1: get you a wheelchair for here because this airport's too big.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I felt like kind of bad
Speaker 1: about it. I was like, well, I could technically do that.
Speaker 1: I could technically walk and I could technically you know,
Speaker 1: and she was like, just get the wheelchair. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, yeah, I've seen you. I think you
Speaker 1: definitely could use the wheelchair for sure. Yes, she'll live
Speaker 1: you're still limping, Like, you don't have to push yourself
Speaker 1: if you're still limping, Allison. Yeah, it's just like it's
Speaker 1: lovely and also allowing people the opportunity to help you,
Speaker 1: you know, like when I find out that like friends
Speaker 1: or loved ones have gone through something and like not
Speaker 1: ask me for help when I could have made me
Speaker 1: done something or I feel sad. I love when people
Speaker 1: ask me to help out. Yeah, that's I I agree.
Speaker 1: That is the secret to like a lot of people
Speaker 1: who I knew, I've known like my whole adult life,
Speaker 1: and they're very successful and the thing that they seem
Speaker 1: to be really good at is just being being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid at all to ask you know, a company,
Speaker 1: a person, whatever it is. I'm just like, yeah, this,
Speaker 1: like most people will say yes. And then there's also
Speaker 1: this dynamic where I think it was like Benjamin Franklin
Speaker 1: talked about it, where by asking someone to do you
Speaker 1: a favor, they are more likely to like you in
Speaker 1: the long run, which sounds like a weird like yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's like Dale Carnegie bullshit. But also I think it
Speaker 1: reveals something about what you're saying that, like, people do
Speaker 1: like to help if you, if you give them a
Speaker 1: chance to. So it also like weirdly builds intimacy, you know,
Speaker 1: to be there for someone. It kind of strengthens your relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about you, Gabby, what is something you think is underrated? Uh? Joy,
Speaker 1: And here's what I'll say, Here's what I'll say. I've
Speaker 1: got it. I've gotta rant ready. Oh boy, Gabby loves
Speaker 1: to have a big lead into whatever they say be
Speaker 1: the answer. Now on our podcast together that me and
Speaker 1: Allison do just between us, I call it conspiracy corner,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, get ready for conspiracy corner. And then
Speaker 1: I get up with whatever conspiracy I want to talk
Speaker 1: about for ten minutes while Alison just not. So I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do that to you guys. But I a
Speaker 1: friend of mine, two friends of mine, wrote a movie
Speaker 1: called Crush that's on Hulu. It's a movie that is
Speaker 1: just pure queer joy. It's just a lovely film, right,
Speaker 1: And the New York Times person reviewed it, and I
Speaker 1: don't know her sexuality, but I'm gonna I think I
Speaker 1: believe me. I went a little bit crazy and I
Speaker 1: looked into her, and I think she is straight. And
Speaker 1: the point that I want to make is that I
Speaker 1: took a lot of issue with the review of the
Speaker 1: film because of one word in it, which is flimsy.
Speaker 1: She calls the film flimsy. Now to me, let's zoom out.
Speaker 1: To call a film that is full of happiness and
Speaker 1: joy and love flimsy sucks to me. And two, especially
Speaker 1: at a time when queer youth are so under attack,
Speaker 1: when trance kids are so under attack, when anti LGBT
Speaker 1: legislation towards kids is so heightened and so in the news.
Speaker 1: Even if it doesn't get past it still creates an
Speaker 1: environment where queer kids to believe that they are less
Speaker 1: than because the government is even considering this stuff, because
Speaker 1: the news covers like trans swimmer and what does this
Speaker 1: mean and whatever, to like not have the context of
Speaker 1: the political situation right now, of the daily zeitgeist, as
Speaker 1: it were. To call a film like that flimsy is
Speaker 1: at best irresponsible, at worst homophobic. Thank you damn here
Speaker 1: here and now everybody listening, it's to go watch crush.
Speaker 1: That sounds more than that. Make more queer movies that
Speaker 1: are joyful, make more in general, movies about young people
Speaker 1: that are joyful. Thank you, there you go. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: saw so much pushback about like Lost City, where even
Speaker 1: people who like really loved it are like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not a good movie, but I loved it,
Speaker 1: And that's like, no, if you loved it, it was
Speaker 1: a good movie, thank you. It's not that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not tackling like world younger and like horrible sadness.
Speaker 1: But it is very hard to create something that people enjoy.
Speaker 1: So if someone enjoys it, then it is well done.
Speaker 1: It might just be a different genre than what we
Speaker 1: nominate for the Oscars. You can have fun at the
Speaker 1: movies and it doesn't have to be like I just
Speaker 1: think like where I'm over trauma porn, Yeah, I think that, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And it's and it's a skill to make something that
Speaker 1: makes you happy, Like it's like, oh, I didn't try
Speaker 1: at all, and I just made a two hour film
Speaker 1: that everyone giggled at and loved and felt happy during.
Speaker 1: But oh that's a piece of trash. Like it's correct.
Speaker 1: It can be really interesting to see what the Oscars
Speaker 1: do with everything everywhere, all at once, which is very
Speaker 1: universally beloved, critically acclaimed. It does not It is a
Speaker 1: shot of joy, just like adrenaline, enjoy like to to
Speaker 1: the heart and also makes you cry. But I do
Speaker 1: wonder if the Oscars will be able to make room
Speaker 1: for that. And they're cold, shriveled heart talk overrated the Oscars.
Speaker 1: But and this comes from an Oscars gay. I love
Speaker 1: the Oscars. Everything I love is attacked. I'm a Disney gay,
Speaker 1: I'm an Oscar's gay and everything is just ruined. So
Speaker 1: hey worth fighting for? I thought you were just about
Speaker 1: to say. And this comes from an Academy Award winner,
Speaker 1: w I won for a conspiracy corner. Actually yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a classic Best personal Documentary, classic loved it. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and um. There was a story, I
Speaker 1: think late last week about the fact that the great resignation,
Speaker 1: the great resignation, is getting older. I still feel like
Speaker 1: in this web so thrilled to have you both here
Speaker 1: to talk to us about this, I still feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guesswork going on. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's intentional obfuscation by the media, because the facts
Speaker 1: are pretty straightforward that companies don't pay people enough, and
Speaker 1: that's not the narrative they want to tell. You know that,
Speaker 1: like we've gone, we've gotten to a place where corporations
Speaker 1: have so much power that they can just raise prices
Speaker 1: and leave pay like at a unsustainable, like unlivable wage.
Speaker 1: But it does still seem like a lot of guessing.
Speaker 1: So what we have now is that between the first
Speaker 1: quarter of the greatest growth in resignations was among people
Speaker 1: aged forty to sixty and those with a tenure or
Speaker 1: more than ten years, with over one thousand employees being
Speaker 1: say Apple, so older and more tenured people especially likely
Speaker 1: to be quitting, and knowledge worker industries like finance and tech,
Speaker 1: so that's and that adds a new wrinkle that I
Speaker 1: I don't think I head fit into my model necessarily
Speaker 1: because I thought it was more young people who were,
Speaker 1: you know, working in these industries that just had stagnant wages.
Speaker 1: But it does feel like it is kind of becoming
Speaker 1: and across the board. Fuck it like for for all
Speaker 1: generations and all types of workers. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Gabio is great to hear you talk about sort of
Speaker 1: what you've seen from your listeners and from your Bad
Speaker 1: with Money shows. But yeah, just curious to kind of
Speaker 1: get you guys thoughts on on this story. Well, one
Speaker 1: of the things I think it was interesting that that
Speaker 1: article touched on was that, you know, for that age group,
Speaker 1: it's different to leave work because you have me be
Speaker 1: more of a security net. You've maybe had more money
Speaker 1: saved up from having worked for decades, and then also
Speaker 1: you might be married and so you can rely on
Speaker 1: on your partners income, so it's not like as necessarily
Speaker 1: scary or risky to leave these jobs that maybe you've
Speaker 1: had as part of your identity for so long. And
Speaker 1: that's what's really interesting, right, is that for so many people,
Speaker 1: especially older people, like your job is your identity, it's
Speaker 1: who you are, it's the way that you see the world.
Speaker 1: And for people to be taking these risks to leave
Speaker 1: those jobs, I think really speaks to probably how horrible
Speaker 1: the job was in the first place, you know, and
Speaker 1: that the pandemic I think has really provided this opportunity
Speaker 1: for people to reassess what matters to them and what
Speaker 1: kind of life they want to live, you know, for
Speaker 1: the rest of however much time we all have, and
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that it will will start some larger conversations
Speaker 1: around work life balance and how to engage in the
Speaker 1: world as a full person and not just an employe.
Speaker 1: I eat, but I there's still a lot of work
Speaker 1: to be done there. Yeah. I think there's a difference
Speaker 1: between obviously, like sixty year olds and forty year olds,
Speaker 1: And what stuck out to me was the forty year
Speaker 1: olds because I think gen X in particular is incredibly erased.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about how they were. We talked about
Speaker 1: how millennials were sold in American Dream, But gen X
Speaker 1: was sold in American Dream with even like less stability
Speaker 1: I think than millennials, and they were prom you know,
Speaker 1: Millennials were like going to the workforce, whereas I think
Speaker 1: gen X was more promised like buy a house, have
Speaker 1: a family, and that those are some people that I
Speaker 1: think are now like my way just haven't changed since
Speaker 1: like the nineties, and now realizing that maybe that these
Speaker 1: older groups are influenced by what they're seeing from gen Z,
Speaker 1: which is like, hey, politically this doesn't make sense, and
Speaker 1: you're now not able to afford your mortgage, and now
Speaker 1: you're not able to you know, have as the children
Speaker 1: that you want to have or send those kids to college.
Speaker 1: So I I oftentimes in my research, you know, we
Speaker 1: talk a lot about millennials, we talk a lot about boomers,
Speaker 1: and um, I think jen X got a real short
Speaker 1: end of the stick in terms of what what sort
Speaker 1: of reality and future they were they were told to
Speaker 1: have so and and I think they're the group that,
Speaker 1: like I think of the movie office space, like, they're
Speaker 1: the group that was sort of you go in, your
Speaker 1: boss sucks, like you get your you know, your coffee,
Speaker 1: your boss is going to be shipped to you. There's
Speaker 1: the fantasy that you leave and you steal money and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But that's like that's being seen as
Speaker 1: a fantasy for that age group is like said, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: they never figured out how to round that penny down
Speaker 1: of dollars. Yeah, I think sometimes, like what what we're
Speaker 1: talking about with a lot of this is that well Miles,
Speaker 1: who the normal co host of the show out today
Speaker 1: but put this story together, was saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's probably some psychological things with them knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: with the pandemic, them just statistically knowing more people who
Speaker 1: have been gotten very sick or died from the pandemic,
Speaker 1: So that probably puts you in more of a midlife
Speaker 1: crisis e zone. But just what those industries, what working
Speaker 1: in finance like does to your soul, Like that That's
Speaker 1: something that I had noticed among the I I talked
Speaker 1: on here a lot about how a lot of the
Speaker 1: smartest people that I went to high school and college
Speaker 1: with went into finance right away. And like, that's a
Speaker 1: bummer to me because that's not actually adding much real
Speaker 1: value back into the world or adding that much joy
Speaker 1: into the world. But I I know also a lot
Speaker 1: of people who were them like I'm gonna just quit
Speaker 1: and go become a teacher because I fucking hate this.
Speaker 1: I hate my life. And then you can't compound on
Speaker 1: top of that the you know, loneliness epidemic that we have,
Speaker 1: like at least partially because of the social media, And
Speaker 1: I feel like there's just sort of this boiling point
Speaker 1: of fuck it that that we're seeing kind of across
Speaker 1: the board. You don't want to make money for a
Speaker 1: boss that is just you watch Getting Rich, right. Finance
Speaker 1: and tech are places where you're the middleman and you're
Speaker 1: making money for a boss that you know as a billionaire,
Speaker 1: and that must suck. Also, I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people just I started my podcast Bad with Money not
Speaker 1: knowing really anything about money, and now it's on about
Speaker 1: like season ten or eleven. And I've been consistently shocked
Speaker 1: over the years by how little finance people actually do right.
Speaker 1: They're not. You think of them as these brilliant people
Speaker 1: that must be doing something to keep the economy going,
Speaker 1: and a lot of what their job is is just
Speaker 1: clicking a button every so often. And and I don't
Speaker 1: think they want us to know that. But the amount
Speaker 1: of what a hedge fund manager does is little to nothing,
Speaker 1: like a trade day trader, little to nothing, I think.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of wild too. Maybe they go into
Speaker 1: these spaces where that are so optimistic tech. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're going to change the world. We're theirness whatever um.
Speaker 1: And then it's so easy to get disillusioned. We are
Speaker 1: all fairness, we are all fairness. But it's also really
Speaker 1: hard because these these jobs that do give bath, like
Speaker 1: teachers are not able to make a living wage. So
Speaker 1: then it's like, Okay, I do want to give back,
Speaker 1: I do want to be a productive part of society,
Speaker 1: but then you're not rewarded for it, and then you're
Speaker 1: just struggling financially, which has like a huge emotional impact. Correct.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a lose lose in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways with these different industries. And I think this
Speaker 1: time is into the crypto plunge and just maybe it
Speaker 1: only ties them because this is the only time I
Speaker 1: read about like finances is when crypto plunging, And I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: what are they saying about it now? Because the stuff
Speaker 1: that I can understand about it that isn't you know,
Speaker 1: in all this code is basically like, well, there's not
Speaker 1: really anything there. There's no there there, So there's not
Speaker 1: nothing of value that is being traded. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of the idea of it. And so I always wanna
Speaker 1: go look and see, Like, what are are they saying
Speaker 1: that too? Like there there's this Forbes writer whose byline
Speaker 1: bio is I write about how bitcoin, crypto and blockchain
Speaker 1: can change the world. And so I've enjoyed reading their
Speaker 1: account of what's happening, and I couldn't understand almost any
Speaker 1: of it. But they've been in this. I've been deep,
Speaker 1: deep in this, you guys, If you want more information
Speaker 1: about what's going on, there is a great YouTube video.
Speaker 1: I was going to recommend this at the end, but
Speaker 1: it's uh. It's called The Line Goes Up and it's
Speaker 1: by Dan Olson, Folding Ideas. It's two hours and fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes long. It is worth every second. He is incredible
Speaker 1: and I'm actually gonna have him on as a guest
Speaker 1: on Bad with Money. The video has seven million views.
Speaker 1: It did Gangbusters. It explains everything in such a great way.
Speaker 1: I've watched it twice. It is my Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: Uh it is it is. It explains everything in a
Speaker 1: way that like you're not going to understand a hundred
Speaker 1: percent of it, but you're going to. It just explains
Speaker 1: everything in in in a way that is accessible. And
Speaker 1: you know, I've had I've had this struggle where I
Speaker 1: also interviewed someone for my show who is an n
Speaker 1: f T artist, and you know, she's a trans woman.
Speaker 1: I'm a transmasculine person, and a lot of the interview
Speaker 1: was about her inability to break into the world of
Speaker 1: fine art as someone who isn't the child of fine
Speaker 1: artists in New York City, um, and the way that
Speaker 1: she's able to sell digital art like a southebyes, like
Speaker 1: a Christie's through what they call open sea, and so
Speaker 1: it's a way in her mind of democratizing the fine
Speaker 1: art world. That is the only n f T situation
Speaker 1: that has lightly convinced me that this might be something,
Speaker 1: because I do like, like she was talking about selling
Speaker 1: fine art in n f T s that you can
Speaker 1: then print you you own the you can print it
Speaker 1: on a three D printer, or you can own it
Speaker 1: in the digital space, which again to me, like then
Speaker 1: you get to the thing about dead links or you're
Speaker 1: not you know where does it actually live? Are you
Speaker 1: paying just to be able to print something out? So
Speaker 1: like I got it in that regard, but I also
Speaker 1: know that that's again like the fine art world, it's
Speaker 1: not anything new, it's mimicking a world we already have,
Speaker 1: the fine art world then eventually becomes a few people
Speaker 1: make a jillion dollars and everyone else is like trying
Speaker 1: to show their art in like a small gallery. So
Speaker 1: it creates this false idea that you could become like
Speaker 1: Jackson Pollock Banksy, like you could become Georgia Kief whatever,
Speaker 1: you could become a famous n f T artists shown
Speaker 1: in n FT galleries. But that's only a few people.
Speaker 1: And one aspect that I enjoyed hearing from her was
Speaker 1: talking about how I was like, why are there so
Speaker 1: many trans people in the space, And she was saying,
Speaker 1: because you're able to control your image. You're able to
Speaker 1: control your perspective and what people see of you in
Speaker 1: the digital space more so than you can in reality.
Speaker 1: That being said, that's a very emotional tie to something
Speaker 1: where they can scam you. That is an incredible like
Speaker 1: a lot of it sounds very similar to MLMs. It
Speaker 1: comes at you say, don't you want to be a
Speaker 1: better person, don't you want to be the person you
Speaker 1: always dreamed of? Um? And that works for maybe three people, right,
Speaker 1: and they they have a lot of the you know,
Speaker 1: tactics of m l m s of you know, the
Speaker 1: greeting each other in the morning with the good morning,
Speaker 1: and anybody who says something negative or is swayed to
Speaker 1: divest is called, you know names. They have names for them,
Speaker 1: just like scientology has names for like squirrels is what
Speaker 1: they call people who like balance scientology. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: does feel like a straightforward translation. I was going to
Speaker 1: theorize that it is taking some of the energy we
Speaker 1: should be devoting towards, you know, like there there is
Speaker 1: a part of the sports article where the author mentions
Speaker 1: that Apple, like all tech stock is down, including Apple,
Speaker 1: and now Apple is no longer the most valuable company,
Speaker 1: and it's Saudi Aramco is now the most valuable company
Speaker 1: in the world. So we're back to an oil company
Speaker 1: being the most valuable company in the world. And I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe a lot of this is taking the
Speaker 1: energy that we should the revolutionary energy we should be
Speaker 1: devoting towards, like finding a way to build a world
Speaker 1: that is not constructed out of fossil fuel, and you know,
Speaker 1: instead just putting that towards a hollow basically just building
Speaker 1: an entire and other economy that has all the same problems.
Speaker 1: But I also think there was this massive like MLM
Speaker 1: thing that was happening, as you know, people became lonelier
Speaker 1: and had fewer spiritual outlets, and it has adopted a
Speaker 1: lot of that has like kind of just learned from
Speaker 1: that and swallowed it and adjusted it. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is truly about making friends. What club are you
Speaker 1: part of? What discord are you a part of? It's
Speaker 1: about It's like a lot of cults, honestly, and a
Speaker 1: lot of like false ideas are really about making friends.
Speaker 1: And I know I bring this up a lot on
Speaker 1: our show, but the Flat Earth documentary on Netflix, what
Speaker 1: I took away from it, what I took away from
Speaker 1: it is truly like if these people just had friends,
Speaker 1: if they they have this idea of the flat Earth
Speaker 1: that keeps them together as friends, and if they just
Speaker 1: admitted that they just wanted a group of friends, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't need to believe in flat Earth. And that's what like,
Speaker 1: that's what all of this research that I've done on
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency has has brought me to is that they just
Speaker 1: want something to center their friendship around. It's like me
Speaker 1: and my friends and drag race, like you just need
Speaker 1: something to center your friendship around, and this happens to
Speaker 1: be one in which you can lose a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I think like my relationship to crypto was, you know,
Speaker 1: I try to be open minded about things, and I
Speaker 1: try to accept that, like my initial instinct to about
Speaker 1: something could very well be wrong, that I could not
Speaker 1: understand it, that there's maybe a lot of things missing,
Speaker 1: and so, you know, with crypto, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't get it, Like this doesn't seem needed or real,
Speaker 1: and and like, but I tried to allow for the
Speaker 1: fact that I was wrong, you know, Like how like
Speaker 1: at first with TikTok, I was like, well, this seems silly,
Speaker 1: but now it's huge, you know. But the more that
Speaker 1: I'm learning and the more people like talk to, the
Speaker 1: more I'm sort of like, no, maybe this is really
Speaker 1: not anything like that. This we might be um falling
Speaker 1: for something that ultimately isn't even what it pretends to
Speaker 1: be because it's not decentralized, Like it's just getting more
Speaker 1: and more centralized. So what hole is it filling, especially
Speaker 1: when it's tied to the value of currency. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good idea, but I think we think it's everyone idea. Why.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone got really angry at the
Speaker 1: banks after the financial crisis, which Dan Olson talks about,
Speaker 1: and then part of it. Watching that whole video, I
Speaker 1: was like, I think maybe the matrix did this to us.
Speaker 1: Like I think we all somehow believed that we were
Speaker 1: smarter than we are and we wanted to be the
Speaker 1: people who are outside the matrix, and we everyone wants
Speaker 1: to believe that they have they're they're onto something that
Speaker 1: they that they're existing outside of current society. You want
Speaker 1: to be the hacker, you want to be the guy,
Speaker 1: you want to be neo, and you just can't write.
Speaker 1: I think people. I think there's an underrated big part
Speaker 1: of people that don't want to admit that they are
Speaker 1: one of seven billion people on the planet. They want
Speaker 1: to be special special. Yeah. And and then community, like
Speaker 1: the fact that community is just gone like from and
Speaker 1: so everybody's having to form their own communities. And that's
Speaker 1: this is what I think. That's a great analysis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting like this woman that I spoke to,
Speaker 1: she was able to sell profile pictures and paid for
Speaker 1: a lot of her gender confirmation confirmation surgeries, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't not get behind that. But like
Speaker 1: how it was sort of like getting into it with
Speaker 1: her about like, how is that different from crowdfunding, right,
Speaker 1: And it was because well, I'm selling this these profile
Speaker 1: pictures and I'm like yes, but also if you crowdfund,
Speaker 1: you send out posters, you send out mugs, you know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's this idea that we're all going to end up
Speaker 1: in pods one day and you're gonna wish you had
Speaker 1: digital money rather than paper money, and maybe we will.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll end up in pods and I'll be a
Speaker 1: poor pod person who knows. Yeah, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be okay with that. I'm gonna be okay with being
Speaker 1: a poor pod person. I'm gonna very gold in my backyard.
Speaker 1: There you go. We'll have to dig the VR mass
Speaker 1: at that point. Oh no. If I can go back
Speaker 1: to your question about the the question about just being
Speaker 1: a good idea or not, I'm one during you know,
Speaker 1: is there a value that you see to the blockchain
Speaker 1: in general outside of it being attached to cryptocurrency or
Speaker 1: n f t s. Is there like a value there
Speaker 1: that you see moving forward in the future, whether it
Speaker 1: be for I don't know, like secure you know, I
Speaker 1: see contracts and like you know, information being stored on
Speaker 1: the blockchain. Do you see that as a good idea?
Speaker 1: Is is that the value that we need to be
Speaker 1: moving towards outside of the art quote unquote art aspect
Speaker 1: of it. It's hard because everything is owned by somebody, right, so,
Speaker 1: like I get it. But also this move to put
Speaker 1: all of your information like medical records and passwords and
Speaker 1: whatever into a little a little area for yourself that
Speaker 1: still has to be stored somewhere, I'm not I know
Speaker 1: a bit about tech, but I'm not like a huge
Speaker 1: I could I set up the WiFi router in my house,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I I can make
Speaker 1: your Bluetooth work whatever. But like I mean, I set
Speaker 1: up the VCR my neighbors house. Not to brag, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. So I'm just working with dated tech no. Um. So,
Speaker 1: like from my understanding, people are mad at governments. They
Speaker 1: don't trust governments, and but anything can be not even hacked,
Speaker 1: but just like taken, like anything can just be. If
Speaker 1: you don't remember your own wallet code, goodbye, there's no one.
Speaker 1: There's no consumer protection. But with having no consumer protection,
Speaker 1: there's also no government intervention allegedly, So it's like that's
Speaker 1: what you're trading, but then you end up with people
Speaker 1: who are like, I'm locked out of my wallet which
Speaker 1: has like a million, you know, a hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: in it. Oh, well, so the people that are rich
Speaker 1: are getting the people that are rich are getting richer.
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, it's the Winklevoss Twins. It's
Speaker 1: people that whatever, I can't remember his name, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Elon Musk. It's the people that are
Speaker 1: like Peter Peter Tiel, right, It's like these people that
Speaker 1: would already have money, and then I wonder, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I get real scared of like a Minority Reports situation
Speaker 1: or something where they're like, well we read on your
Speaker 1: chart that you are likely to do this, so now
Speaker 1: you're arrested. I don't know, I'm very paranoid. Welcome to
Speaker 1: a conspiracy corner. The song is infect Yeah. The what
Speaker 1: One of the things this is a new low for
Speaker 1: the crypto market as far as far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: is that one of the wallets is basically saying that
Speaker 1: they have the right to use the money that is
Speaker 1: parked there as their own assets. If they when they're
Speaker 1: like negotiating bankruptcy, that's just a bank, that's what banks do.
Speaker 1: But it but they're right, it's it's like a step
Speaker 1: beyond that. I was reading on it and they were like,
Speaker 1: if if Schwab came out one day and said, if
Speaker 1: we go a cokrupt, your personal assets will be subject
Speaker 1: to the bankruptcy settlement, they'd lose all their assets overnight.
Speaker 1: So this is this the I I think that's a
Speaker 1: bridge further than even like normal banks can can take it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they said that, like right, like your your
Speaker 1: money is our money. If what which banks can do
Speaker 1: in some circumstances. But I don't think if they are
Speaker 1: called on it, if there's like a you know, a
Speaker 1: bankruptcy situation, they can be like, yes, like you don't
Speaker 1: have your money anymore. We we do now. I think
Speaker 1: this it's still staked to something which apparently is not
Speaker 1: the case with and to create more money. It's huge rigs,
Speaker 1: it's huge energy. It's it's the usage of a lot
Speaker 1: of energy, and more so than I think like some
Speaker 1: small countries I've heard. Look, I'm also open. I'm open
Speaker 1: to being proved wrong. I'm open to somebody coming up
Speaker 1: with an incredible decentralized currency that exists in a digital space.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm open to it, Like I'll I don't
Speaker 1: want any of the problem is is that I'm open
Speaker 1: to all this tech, but also I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to know anything about me. So yeah, you say, as
Speaker 1: a public figure, I know, but I got really like
Speaker 1: I drove into a parking garage and the guy at
Speaker 1: the garage was like, can you open your trunk? And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have to do ship for you,
Speaker 1: and like my partner was like, there's nothing in the trunk.
Speaker 1: You just opened the trunk, like it doesn't matter, and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's the principle of the thing.
Speaker 1: I can park here. I don't need to show you
Speaker 1: what's in my trunk. You don't get to do that.
Speaker 1: And I was And then my partner was, we can't
Speaker 1: park here unless he looks in the trunk. He's like
Speaker 1: giving us a hard time, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's my fourth Amendment, right, show me a warrant, bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking opening my trunk for you. And then
Speaker 1: I go online and I'm like I'm from here and
Speaker 1: I live here and here's my mom problems. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back and Dan, Wow, it's it's black hole time. Sensational.
Speaker 1: Well you, I think you've come on as a guest
Speaker 1: host before and talked space stuff, so you're you're a
Speaker 1: real space kid. You're a real space boy. I think
Speaker 1: space kidet is good because that's what my parents and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend called me, and I think it's more related
Speaker 1: to anyway. But the point is, I do love space.
Speaker 1: I love how close we're getting to seeing so much
Speaker 1: more of the bounds of our perception. I love how
Speaker 1: how widely those are being expanded. I love that we're
Speaker 1: replacing the Hubble with the James web Telescope. That is
Speaker 1: so exciting. And each of these like new discoveries into
Speaker 1: what is outside of our world is always fascinating to
Speaker 1: me and I love to bring it onto the podcast.
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned last time, Yes, last time, it
Speaker 1: was the launch of the James Webb telescope. And now
Speaker 1: we're looking at the first supermassive black hole. It's at
Speaker 1: the center of the Milky Way, Galax. The why is
Speaker 1: this important? Well, I've provided the very top of the
Speaker 1: article which tells us exactly why this is important. This
Speaker 1: provides overwhelming evidence that the object is indeed a black
Speaker 1: hole and yields valuable clues about the working of such giants,
Speaker 1: which are thought to reside at the center of most galaxies. Now,
Speaker 1: this image, as you correctly noted, Jack, looks like a
Speaker 1: picture you take at a rock concert when you're a
Speaker 1: few drinks deep. And yes, totally, it's a little bit shaky,
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit what the hell are we
Speaker 1: looking at? And I refer you back to the actual
Speaker 1: very first picture that we got a supermassive black hole,
Speaker 1: with this wonderful picture of a Dr Katie Bowman, with
Speaker 1: the mountains of data that we're put together to kind
Speaker 1: of produce this image, as it were, because you know,
Speaker 1: what we're looking at is not as much a picture
Speaker 1: as it is a collection of data points that indicate
Speaker 1: to us kind of the light moving around this supermassive
Speaker 1: you know, void of light in space and kind of
Speaker 1: giving us a clear picture of how that light interacts
Speaker 1: with a black hole and what that means for how
Speaker 1: bodies move around this piece in our galaxy. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, as another update to this wonderful you know,
Speaker 1: space world that we're exploring more and more. This was
Speaker 1: another step in that direction. And since we're only about
Speaker 1: three to four weeks out from the very first pictures
Speaker 1: from the James web Telescope, I wanted to add another
Speaker 1: thing to look forward to, as we are also looking
Speaker 1: forward to the end of our civilization as a whole.
Speaker 1: But man, we're gonna learn a lot about space before
Speaker 1: we get there. So another step in that direction. What
Speaker 1: will the pictures from the James Webb Telescope will will
Speaker 1: they also look like a picture where I'm going back
Speaker 1: through my pictures from ten years ago and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what happened? Whatever? Oh it was the camera, the phone
Speaker 1: was in my pocket and the flash went off. But
Speaker 1: what is that? Is that where we're looking at her,
Speaker 1: Is James Webb going to be like the wild space
Speaker 1: clouds and the the ship that looks you know, mind
Speaker 1: blow the latter. I think we're looking more at wild
Speaker 1: space pictures. I think we'll be able to see a
Speaker 1: little bit of both. Like we'll see some super super
Speaker 1: deep stuff out in space that will probably look more
Speaker 1: like the supermassive black hole. But if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: some of like the horse said, Nebula pictures that came
Speaker 1: from the telescope, and that first, you know, the picture
Speaker 1: that is just it looks like a sea of stars.
Speaker 1: We'll get to see more pictures like that, and these
Speaker 1: really kind of super crisp images of space that you know,
Speaker 1: will decorate the backgrounds of nerds on their computers for
Speaker 1: decades to come. Not if I meant it as an
Speaker 1: you got me about to go do that ship, I
Speaker 1: ask a question like yeah, and I mean this, I
Speaker 1: mean this was full sincerity. Why do you care about space?
Speaker 1: That is a great question, I think. I mean so
Speaker 1: partially as a sci fi nerd, I'm always looking for
Speaker 1: other things, like I love the idea of aliens. I
Speaker 1: love the idea of other beings. I love the potential
Speaker 1: of civilizations that are so you know, decades and or
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, eons ahead of us in terms
Speaker 1: of technology or existence in general. I believe if we're
Speaker 1: going to go into it. In my conspiracy corner, I
Speaker 1: am very deep into the idea of the star Trek
Speaker 1: picture of the universe in which there is the prime directive,
Speaker 1: and the prime directive being you're not messing with the
Speaker 1: civilization until they developed the technology to come and find you.
Speaker 1: And each of these discoveries, each of these you know,
Speaker 1: advancements in technology, I think gets us closer to that
Speaker 1: point where the walls will come down, the ships will
Speaker 1: reveal themselves, and they'll be like, all right, gang, you
Speaker 1: did it. You actually managed to get off your planet
Speaker 1: in a way that would allow you to explore the
Speaker 1: universe in a way. Welcome to the Federation, and let's
Speaker 1: fix all of these problems that you're having on your
Speaker 1: planet because you guys were so close to fucking get up.
Speaker 1: I know, because that is so much sense to me,
Speaker 1: because aliens are incredibly appealing to me, and other life
Speaker 1: forms under sentient is very appealing to me. But I
Speaker 1: feel like just stars or like empty space or you know,
Speaker 1: that is like a little harder for me to get
Speaker 1: on board with a fascination totally. I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, look pretty lights out in space and we
Speaker 1: have clearer pictures of them. Sure, that is definitely very cool,
Speaker 1: and you know, learning more about the weights of stars
Speaker 1: and you know, the you know, what's around them, an
Speaker 1: exoplanets and all that stuff is very cool. But just
Speaker 1: getting closer to seeing other beings out there is just oh, man,
Speaker 1: is that so fascinating to me? It's like that you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's that there's a very funny meme right now.
Speaker 1: That's like to like, born too late to own a
Speaker 1: house and born too early to become a TikTok star.
Speaker 1: Thankfully we're all born in the time that we'll be
Speaker 1: able to see really really far out into space, and
Speaker 1: that throws me. So I'm all about it. I love this.
Speaker 1: Alison loves aliens aliens to aliens, I think yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think the given everything we know about aliens, know
Speaker 1: about aliens, but it does seem like they've made contact
Speaker 1: but are just laying low and could destroy us at
Speaker 1: any moment and have chosen not to. And all of
Speaker 1: that leads me to believe that the prime directive thing
Speaker 1: is is probably unless they're just like waiting until like
Speaker 1: the right time to destroy us. But we're fucking up
Speaker 1: like all our natural resources, so it seems weird that
Speaker 1: they wait. So there's no value in that. There's no
Speaker 1: value in seeing our planet and being like, what can
Speaker 1: we what can rereap from this ball of quickly depleting resources. Anyway, Alise,
Speaker 1: and you're about to say something, what are your what's
Speaker 1: your proof that they that they have been in touch.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know. I don't think I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think they've been in touch like that the government is
Speaker 1: in like active contact. I just think the sightings are
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. And there is that documentary like phenomenon or no,
Speaker 1: that's the phenomenon. Wait, is that not a documentary? I
Speaker 1: thought that was a documentary. It's a documentary to some,
Speaker 1: but there is some documentary that just like does a
Speaker 1: good job of like highlighting any encounter that happened with
Speaker 1: like a pretty reputable source. And so they have like
Speaker 1: a lot of air force pilots, just commercial pilots, like
Speaker 1: from you know, the forties onward basically, and it seems
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of activity around World War two,
Speaker 1: which leads me to believe they're just like coming to
Speaker 1: make sure that things don't get to the point where
Speaker 1: our species goes extinct. And then they seem to be
Speaker 1: very interested in any nuclear weapons facilities, which you know
Speaker 1: that just based on like any like highly sourced sighting
Speaker 1: of some sort of technology that that people can't explain.
Speaker 1: So that just leads me to believe that they are
Speaker 1: just monitoring our military, which also makes it makes sense
Speaker 1: that the military is so intent on a cover up,
Speaker 1: because if there is this peaceful, super advanced, you know,
Speaker 1: civilization that's like just there and not trying to destroy us,
Speaker 1: then it kind of sucks up their whole worldview that like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just kill or be killed. We have to be
Speaker 1: ready to fight at all times, and like spend all
Speaker 1: the money on defense spending, and it's like, well, they
Speaker 1: seem like they're doing okay, they could destroy us at
Speaker 1: any time, but like they're maybe this is not the
Speaker 1: way of the future. Is my thinking around it, But
Speaker 1: I don't know what is your thinking. Well, I you know,
Speaker 1: I definitely do believe that there's been like some significant
Speaker 1: sightings and and when I was a freshman at high school,
Speaker 1: we were allowed to write a research paper about anything
Speaker 1: that we wanted, and I wrote an ID page research
Speaker 1: paper about Roswell. Teacher was so so she was into it,
Speaker 1: I think. But if I were to go into that
Speaker 1: was required, I wasn't just that I was wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to be that long. Um. But I you know,
Speaker 1: by conspiracy quarter is that I think that they're already
Speaker 1: have been probably aliens and stuff on this planet, and
Speaker 1: that when we when we questioned it, it's so easy
Speaker 1: for the government to just say, no, that's from the
Speaker 1: deep ocean, because we we would believe that anything is
Speaker 1: from the deep ocean, because like I think, like, have
Speaker 1: you seen what's from the deep ocean? It just looks
Speaker 1: like aliens, wild ship, wild stuff. As soon as people
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, that's just from the ocean, everyone's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that, yeah exactly. But yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know how good they would be actually if they
Speaker 1: actually fully knew. I don't think they could necessarily keep
Speaker 1: it a secret unless it was like a section like
Speaker 1: Men in Black, where they're not really part of the government.
Speaker 1: It's its own thing as is is not. I don't
Speaker 1: think interacting with aliens. Do you think we'll be able
Speaker 1: to date aliens? It depends, wouldn't that be sick? She's
Speaker 1: so cool? All right? That would be wonderful. On Star
Speaker 1: Trek they've Rick or Fox all the time. That's true,
Speaker 1: he does. So I think it's just like what level
Speaker 1: of intelligence do you know, Like you really need to
Speaker 1: be able to connect emotionally right physically? They could, but
Speaker 1: the aliens are like, no, We're not aliens are Honestly,
Speaker 1: you all are goes a nose in the middle of
Speaker 1: your face. Disgusting. What is that about? Dan? Was there
Speaker 1: anything else that you wanted to talk about? Just just
Speaker 1: another update? Let me tell you something. In about a
Speaker 1: month or I think it's June twenty two, we start
Speaker 1: getting pictures back from the James Web. I will be
Speaker 1: sending in picks. Gonna say about that, so we'll talk
Speaker 1: to Such a pleasure having you both on the show.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Gabby Road, j B y R
Speaker 1: O A d Um. We also have our podcast together,
Speaker 1: just between Us podcast and I do a show called
Speaker 1: Bad with Money that is about money but also kind
Speaker 1: of as unhinged as this was. Uh, go for it, Alsen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then I'm at Alice and Raskot on Socials, but i
Speaker 1: also have a mental health focused Instagram account at Emotional
Speaker 1: Support Lady, and I also have a sub stack by
Speaker 1: the same name. And then my book over Thinking about
Speaker 1: You Navigating Romantic Relationships when you have Anxiety O c
Speaker 1: D and Door Depression just came out last week, so
Speaker 1: I'd love for people to check that out, go get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. I saw the funniest tweet
Speaker 1: yesterday that a police dog bit a police officer for
Speaker 1: being the aggressor, and that strikes Yeah, that that brought
Speaker 1: me joy. I'm again going to recommend the line goes
Speaker 1: up by Dan Olson. It's an incredible to a two
Speaker 1: and a half hour video that flies by and my
Speaker 1: again like I might watch it a third time. So
Speaker 1: and its channel folding ideas is great. Yeah, really good, Daniel.
Speaker 1: How about you? Where can people find you? What's a
Speaker 1: tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me all over
Speaker 1: the internet at dj underscore Daniel. That's a Twitch, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. Regrettably,
Speaker 1: and my one piece of social media that I just
Speaker 1: wanted to share because it it gives me the giggles
Speaker 1: is a post on actually Instagram from Goop who is
Speaker 1: introducing the diaper, the ten dollar diaper, and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna read this post met. The accident is over the
Speaker 1: e and diaper, so I'm not sure how to pronounce
Speaker 1: is it diaper either? Right? The diaper. Yeah, diaper. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that our new disposable diaper lined with virgin alpaca
Speaker 1: wool and fast with her gemstones, known for their ancient
Speaker 1: emotional cleansing properties, infused with a scent of jasmine and
Speaker 1: bergamot for revitalized baby dropping tomorrow today or yesterday at
Speaker 1: eleven a m e s t d. Twenty dollars for
Speaker 1: a pack of twelve. I thought it was for an
Speaker 1: adult person, and I was excited. It is that would
Speaker 1: be sick. I mean I might actually consider it at
Speaker 1: that point. But to you know, if my understanding is correct,
Speaker 1: and Jack, I think you'd be a better source than this.
Speaker 1: Babies kind of blast through diapers, don't they. How do
Speaker 1: you mean? Well? You know, yeah, yeah, you get through
Speaker 1: divers fairly quickly. Yeah, and I feel like there's aspers
Speaker 1: I have two babies. Oh wow, Well one is six
Speaker 1: and would not appreciate me referring to him as a baby. Well,
Speaker 1: ask him his opinion on these diapers. Yeah, I think yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think they're probably watchable diapers. Right, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: disposed will diaper with the virgin. I'll pack a wool.
Speaker 1: I would cut the gemstones off and then you just
Speaker 1: start collecting those. Yeah, definitely, absolutely make a little necklace.
Speaker 1: The idea that a baby needs to be rejuvenated. It
Speaker 1: just became alive, exactly. It is purely juvenated at this
Speaker 1: very moment. There's no about to be refreshed. It's fine.
Speaker 1: It's very fresh. Yes, it didn't just come off at
Speaker 1: nine to five. It is fresh anyway, virgin I'll pack
Speaker 1: a wool me and I don't know, like the it
Speaker 1: hasn't been died. I think hasn't been dying. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a weird. Thank god. I really
Speaker 1: thought that you meant diapers for adults, and I was
Speaker 1: really sorry to it for a second. Unfortunate, unfortunately, not
Speaker 1: because then I would gladly show off my goop diaper.
Speaker 1: But Alaska, not for not for, not for everybody that's
Speaker 1: gonna say, Gabby, you don't have too much of a butt.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can fit in one. Yeah, thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shim me it up my little body. Wonderful. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. A
Speaker 1: couple of tweets I've been enjoying. We'll go miles of
Speaker 1: grant because most of the unmasked passengers on my flight
Speaker 1: are the ultra elderly I get it, Exo tour life
Speaker 1: and whatnot. All my friends are love that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then Jason Chevron tweeted, you're telling me this coin was
Speaker 1: a bit and yeah, I guess we are. I guess
Speaker 1: it was a bit. Good. You can find us on
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