Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty one,
Speaker 1: episode three of Daice Day production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it is, of course Wednesday. Uh,
Speaker 1: it is tal Day. I have mine on my lap.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know it was Tall Day, but I
Speaker 1: just keep it on my lap when I'm eating peanut
Speaker 1: butter toast because wait, where's mine? You can get messy?
Speaker 1: Hold on? Hold on? Hold on? Is that a real day?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? For? Really? There? There's a absurd
Speaker 1: day for for everything. Oh yeah, I mean if we
Speaker 1: lobbied hard enough, I mean we could get the type
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry pipe Bay that my name is Jack O'Brien
Speaker 1: a k. Because the pod brings you Jack. That is
Speaker 1: Eric Keller, who actually that's not craty have I just
Speaker 1: did that because I wanted to get a Blues Traveler
Speaker 1: one and because Eric Keller let me know. After listening
Speaker 1: to today's pot I had to wonder if you fellas
Speaker 1: new Blues Traveler and Bruce Willis had a collaboration on
Speaker 1: one of their albums, Oh shit, which I think it's
Speaker 1: called like Free Willis or free I don't know. I
Speaker 1: did not know you. You were right to wonder, I
Speaker 1: we did not know that. Hell, but that makes sense
Speaker 1: because Bruce Willis I think I just had an instant,
Speaker 1: instant pang of jealousy when he heard Bluesish song go
Speaker 1: mainstream number one. I think he wasn't having that ship.
Speaker 1: He's like, I gotta go. They need some Bruno. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 1: host Mr Miles Gray a k A June teen, juneteen,
Speaker 1: Dunete June teen, Walmart really knows. Now, it's the freedom
Speaker 1: for me. What the fuck were those dumb ass items
Speaker 1: that amrparaded out this week? It's the freedom for me? Okay,
Speaker 1: very interesting. I was again the moments where can be
Speaker 1: like can I be in the brainstorming session of some
Speaker 1: of these companies really that somebody needs to make a
Speaker 1: documentary about just they just keep trying. Whoever's out there
Speaker 1: trying to make a documentary, like you know, we got
Speaker 1: that leak of the Pepsi logo design, but there's so
Speaker 1: many bad marketing decisions that happened, or like the brainstorm
Speaker 1: behind the imagined video. Could you imagine if somebody had
Speaker 1: captured that. I like to see the crash and burn
Speaker 1: of these marketings do best. But I want to see
Speaker 1: I want to see there. Here's the thing I think
Speaker 1: most especially people of color, have been in this situation.
Speaker 1: If they've ever worked anywhere that's predominantly white. There'll be
Speaker 1: a bad idea in the room and you're the only
Speaker 1: one looking around be like oh no, and then they go, Miles,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? And you're fucked because
Speaker 1: you just started there, and you're like, I mean, are
Speaker 1: there any other ideas? It's but it's not right. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I just look, I'm twenty five and I just started
Speaker 1: working on enough. The best person asked great Printed. It's
Speaker 1: always just like you need one person's co sign for
Speaker 1: any terrible mistake. And I think it's just yeah, attack
Speaker 1: because I do say great print it after every time
Speaker 1: we we just make a decision on our creative team. So, like,
Speaker 1: you mean, just stopped this recording of Print Printed? Do
Speaker 1: finger guns? Anyways, Miles, We're thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 1: our third seat by hilarious comedian, director and writer who
Speaker 1: you know from the hilarious NBC Sitcome Grand Crew, The
Speaker 1: Last o g ghosted people of Earth whom karate. It's
Speaker 1: been way too damn long way. What is Charlotte. I'm here.
Speaker 1: I'm British now, b K for like twenty years. Now
Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm excited. I haven't seen you guys so long.
Speaker 1: British Columbia, British Columbia, Vancouver, Nuts. Yeah, my favorite town,
Speaker 1: my favorite town. Yeah, is that getting is strong up there?
Speaker 1: We owe you alive show in Vancouver, so you guys
Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah, I can't, Like I said, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't keep telling people how much I love. There's
Speaker 1: a good comedy scene here. There's a pretty good, like
Speaker 1: a little indie comedy scene out here. I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had a few uh BC comedians on before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still don't know anybody. It's like I've still been
Speaker 1: here through the pandemic. Like I think I know two people.
Speaker 1: You haven't excavated the indie comedy scene of your local
Speaker 1: community that you just moved to during the pandemic. Come on, Charlotte,
Speaker 1: I've been very slow and law days ago about it.
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like a lot of work, yeah
Speaker 1: to me, But I'm an introvert. Are you missing anything
Speaker 1: from California. While you've been everything sunshine, um number one.
Speaker 1: Isn't it to change so a little bit? Uh just
Speaker 1: now it just started. It's just started, like this was
Speaker 1: the first good weekend or like the first sunny weekend
Speaker 1: we've had all years so far. Okay, it's just gray
Speaker 1: and like you know, there's June gloom and in l A.
Speaker 1: It's like that, but for for six months. So but
Speaker 1: the summer here, I actually think, you know, i'll say
Speaker 1: this on I'll say this live on air, but like
Speaker 1: I actually think Vancouver is like a secret hot spot
Speaker 1: for the summer, like people are sleeping on it. I
Speaker 1: was just like this, what are we talking about? Absolutely
Speaker 1: if you want beautiful hiking, beautiful mountains, like beaches, lakes, like,
Speaker 1: there's an island. We just went to the island over
Speaker 1: the weekend for Victoria Day. There's different holidays. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: want to Victoria Island. It was absolutely stunning. I went
Speaker 1: to Bowen Island for a yoga retreat. I've just been
Speaker 1: living my best like white woman life, like yoga life,
Speaker 1: like island life, like I'm living my best life. All
Speaker 1: white linen, all white linen, all white people. No, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not diverse, that is the way. That's also
Speaker 1: what I miss some p O seen great. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I have to think that at least over half of
Speaker 1: our American listeners are like, damn, she did it right.
Speaker 1: But hearing that you moved to Vancouver during the pandemic
Speaker 1: that the last time you were on, like Miles was
Speaker 1: would have been very jealous. Now I'm like, so like
Speaker 1: what do you need to get citizenship up there? And
Speaker 1: like what is what's that? But congratulations and we're going
Speaker 1: to get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 1: a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We are going to try and wait into the Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp first Amber Heard trial, more more so the media
Speaker 1: barrage and just like the significance of how much attention,
Speaker 1: how much of the national share consciousness it is taking up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a bill that seems like it
Speaker 1: might I think I think there's a type of Miles
Speaker 1: it says it might make things better? What happened a bill? Really? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk about it. We'll talk it might work,
Speaker 1: it might work, all of that plenty more. But first, Charlotte,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests. What is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? Oh man, this is embarrassing. But
Speaker 1: right now I'm watching own oprah winfree networks put ring
Speaker 1: on it? But there it's not in Canada, so I
Speaker 1: have to like I did a like a long Google
Speaker 1: search and trying to find it just on the internet,
Speaker 1: and I eventually found it, So thanks Internet. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: a ring how to watch put a ring on it? Is?
Speaker 1: My Google search to watch put hering on it in
Speaker 1: Canada is because my blastemal search. Were there any like
Speaker 1: deep textual analyzes like how to watch put the actually
Speaker 1: situate yourself only? I actually found a bunch of YouTube
Speaker 1: channels that recap the show and talk about the relationships.
Speaker 1: So it's like a therapist that sits down with three relationships,
Speaker 1: three couples who are on the brink and whether they're
Speaker 1: going to walk away or put hering on it, and
Speaker 1: like the whole show just watches them open up their
Speaker 1: relationship and date other people. So it's amazing and it's
Speaker 1: actually a really good show, like people are actually having
Speaker 1: real breakthroughs. But I'm kind of a reality junkie, so
Speaker 1: this is this is me in a nutshell. I'll do
Speaker 1: anything to watch, so this is like so basically, the
Speaker 1: Ultimatum ripped this show up. It did. That's exactly what happened. Yes,
Speaker 1: because this show is in its like third season or something,
Speaker 1: so this is the living single to Friends. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. Like. I think we've seen this before.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Ultimatum, but I'll be able to
Speaker 1: tell you next time I'm on it. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: seen it twice now. But the way you're describing it
Speaker 1: sounds exactly the same premise. They're couples who are on
Speaker 1: the brink of having to either get married or explore
Speaker 1: whether or not this person is right for them. They
Speaker 1: facilitate that by having them go on dates and destabilizing
Speaker 1: things just to figure out at the end if they're
Speaker 1: right for each other. But the way the Ultimatum does
Speaker 1: it is like reckless. So you know what I'm lying
Speaker 1: because I'm a reality junkie. I've definitely watched The Ultimatum
Speaker 1: and it was just so boring. I forgot right. This
Speaker 1: seems similar to the Country music network Shit or Get
Speaker 1: off the Pot. I wonder if there's any influence there.
Speaker 1: It's called shit or get or get Wait, wait, are
Speaker 1: you not just using a VPN though, Like my VPN
Speaker 1: didn't work. I tried to use my VPN to use
Speaker 1: my Hulu to do my HBO mat didn't work, so
Speaker 1: they on to us. I think they're on you know
Speaker 1: what is it literally in the country as a VPN hooligan.
Speaker 1: Sometimes some of the streaming services they catch on two
Speaker 1: specific server locations that you pick. Okay, so if you're
Speaker 1: in a larger city like some of them, they're like,
Speaker 1: don't pick New York because there's a lot of VPN
Speaker 1: traffic going through those servers, and it's easier for Netflix
Speaker 1: to be like that's the one stop it versus just
Speaker 1: shift over to New Jersey and then suddenly and if
Speaker 1: you look, there's a lot of articles where people talk
Speaker 1: about which VPN server vocations you need to be used
Speaker 1: to be able to watch your streaming without having to
Speaker 1: do like the one and a half speed weird YouTube
Speaker 1: riffs that people end up everything legal in Jersey met
Speaker 1: a line from Hamilton's I like to quote Hamilton's I
Speaker 1: feel like it makes me seem cool. I think is
Speaker 1: that an actual line? I think so, yeah. They because
Speaker 1: they keep going over there to duel Sun over there
Speaker 1: to like get shot. Then he goes over again. He
Speaker 1: definitely listen to it very recently. How often are you
Speaker 1: listening to it? I haven't listened to it in two years.
Speaker 1: But when I was listening to it, I was listening
Speaker 1: to it too much, Right said, I remember you tweeted
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. He said, Well, you guys
Speaker 1: are too busy with Mr Morale and the big Steppers.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with a real classic handle. I'm discovering new things. Oh,
Speaker 1: Kendrick wasn't the only one in the lab the only words.
Speaker 1: So was Lynt Manuel on this one. I like to
Speaker 1: I liked his character work on the hard part five,
Speaker 1: but like, could he have possibly inhabited the role of
Speaker 1: a founding father? Would have killed him? You know? Am
Speaker 1: I right over here? Folks? That sounds like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like a gut felled monologue joke or something. By
Speaker 1: the way, got Feld still a show, I believe, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's like killing it. It's very popular ratings wise,
Speaker 1: not humor or as a product for people to consume. Wise,
Speaker 1: it's just many people watch it. I don't know that
Speaker 1: jokes are pretty sharp, they're they're great over there sharp.
Speaker 1: I just had to look at that felled Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? What do I think
Speaker 1: is overrated? Real talk? You know what? Like work? I
Speaker 1: think work is overrated? Real talk. I just feel like
Speaker 1: as a country, we're going through a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: and like sometimes we you know, we can like ignore work,
Speaker 1: we can ignore everything and how we're feeling about it
Speaker 1: just to continue to go to work. And you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm just like, you know what, work, you know,
Speaker 1: like we need to take care of ourselves first. So
Speaker 1: so maybe that that's off the top. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's how we're raised in America. It is
Speaker 1: one mode work. If I think more than a vacation,
Speaker 1: my brain starts attacking itself. Yeah you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I took a break. I've been taking a break for
Speaker 1: quite some time. And there's all this shame. You feel
Speaker 1: ashamed of yourself, just like, am I even like worth it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you're like, get that mouth, get that fucking boot
Speaker 1: out your mouth. Yeah, You're like, we've just been raised
Speaker 1: with that reflect to be like, if you do anything
Speaker 1: less than backbreaking work forty eight hours a day, you
Speaker 1: are nothing. It's not good. It's not a good way
Speaker 1: to think. I mean, I have guilt like that with
Speaker 1: like immigrant parents, black grandparents, Like just thinking of how
Speaker 1: hard people's lives were from people I descend from, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a fucking comedian podcast. I'm like, am
Speaker 1: I working and we're the hardest working. I feel like whustlers,
Speaker 1: Like people hustling to make a living out of this
Speaker 1: industry that just be like, you know, we don't even
Speaker 1: want you, you know, so it's just like we're working
Speaker 1: really hard just to make something. But yeah, this year,
Speaker 1: this year, I was like, yo, work is not it?
Speaker 1: When did you? So? Did you? Would you say you
Speaker 1: just this year turned a corner where you you yelled
Speaker 1: at the shitty shift manager in your brain and you're like,
Speaker 1: shut the funk up. I love that metaphor. I like
Speaker 1: I love that, Like I I feel like it happened
Speaker 1: at the end of ten, at the end of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: I was just absolutely burned out, like just just could
Speaker 1: not deal with another thing. But there's all these things
Speaker 1: going on in your head, Like if I stopped working,
Speaker 1: am I even alive? Am I real? Like what do
Speaker 1: I what does it mean? You know? Like it just
Speaker 1: I just and I also just feels like, especially with
Speaker 1: what we do, like if you take a break, then
Speaker 1: do you disappear, like would remember me? You know, am
Speaker 1: irrelevant anymore? And I'm I'm I'm glad to report that.
Speaker 1: Like I've been real quiet for the last I would
Speaker 1: say two years, and no one's forgotten me. There's been
Speaker 1: no catastrophic and to my career or if anything, I
Speaker 1: feel a lot better and I'm coming back with a
Speaker 1: different relationship to work, one that puts me at the center,
Speaker 1: that values me and my mental health and my well
Speaker 1: being before I guess, manager in your head straight up,
Speaker 1: that's exactly I love that. Yeah, the what I took
Speaker 1: two weeks off recently for the first time I think
Speaker 1: in my since my honeymoon maybe, and my just like
Speaker 1: my parents reaction was like how wow, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna huh? You can do that? So like are you
Speaker 1: bringing your computer down gate mama, or it's just I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know now I'm starting to like see the mask.
Speaker 1: Uh see like who who the shift manager was modeled after?
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and you can and you can do that.
Speaker 1: That's you're allowed to do that, and not just my
Speaker 1: parents like a lot of people like a lot of yeah,
Speaker 1: people I know who are just like friends, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just so inundated and we've been inoculated with these
Speaker 1: ship values of like just a hustling and ship. We're
Speaker 1: only now like beginning to have like real pushback, like
Speaker 1: public or people like that ship is dumb and toxic
Speaker 1: and doesn't make sense, and it's actually the worst way
Speaker 1: to like prioritize how you experience your physical life, like
Speaker 1: putting that workship rather than being like, how do I
Speaker 1: maintain like my semblance of peace or happiness first and
Speaker 1: then try to do it. But we don't always have
Speaker 1: the you know, luxury or ability to even take time off.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's important hopefully more people
Speaker 1: are radicalized by that realization and being like, wait, hold up,
Speaker 1: this is such a deal. Absolutely, we need we need
Speaker 1: a better we need a better way to do this.
Speaker 1: Absolutely because not like the fucking earth stops spinning because
Speaker 1: somebody fucking took parental leave, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: But they have everybody thinking that's how this ship work,
Speaker 1: Like it's this fucking perpetual motion machine. It's like if
Speaker 1: one person stops hustling. MH let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and find out what you think is
Speaker 1: underrated and get into the news. And we're back and Charlotte,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, finally, what is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? You know, this goes hand in
Speaker 1: hand with what I think is overrated. What I think
Speaker 1: is underrated is rest. I think like and I don't
Speaker 1: just mean like taking a break, I mean taking a
Speaker 1: real break where you don't feel guilty about taking a break,
Speaker 1: where you don't feel ashamed of taking a break you
Speaker 1: genuinely turn off. You genuinely take a break and you
Speaker 1: rest and you are present and in the moment, and
Speaker 1: you enjoy your time and you come back refreshed, rejuvenated
Speaker 1: and ready. M Yeah, I just realized something I was
Speaker 1: doing was like so during during the week, during the
Speaker 1: work week, I like wake up and meditate and try
Speaker 1: and meditate twice a day, like get myself you know
Speaker 1: in the most healthy place I can. But on the weekends,
Speaker 1: like I just like don't do that. I'm like not
Speaker 1: valuing the my day of rest as like an important
Speaker 1: day where I need to be taking care of myself
Speaker 1: and you know, go proactively, you know, just like putting
Speaker 1: myself in the best position to like have a have
Speaker 1: a good day. I'm just like, yeah, alright, my kids
Speaker 1: fucking woke me up. I go downstairs and like dump
Speaker 1: cereal in front of them and just on the stand there,
Speaker 1: itching my ass. I was just gonna ask, like, as
Speaker 1: a parent, on the weekends, do you even get that time?
Speaker 1: Like what do you even have to do to get
Speaker 1: that time? Yeah, you just need to schedule with you know,
Speaker 1: I mean unfortunate to have my wife who uh you know,
Speaker 1: we can schedule schedule time out. Yeah, so she could
Speaker 1: take a break, you could take a break. I mean
Speaker 1: I really do feel that, like on the weekend for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Like I'm like, like you, Jack, I'm much
Speaker 1: more mindful about where my thoughts are and like how
Speaker 1: I'm setting myself up in the morning. But then like
Speaker 1: a weekend hits and I'm like, it's like a lazy Tuesday,
Speaker 1: just coverage ship, just eat cupcakes are left over, and
Speaker 1: it's not even like this idea to like, oh you
Speaker 1: need to go on a vacation or whatever, like try
Speaker 1: a form of disconnecting that you never have before. And
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a real big point Charlotte
Speaker 1: that you're making right is like can you I get like,
Speaker 1: if you have other duties and things like that, you
Speaker 1: can't completely go off the grid, But are you able
Speaker 1: to when you have a day off not look at
Speaker 1: your phone, just take some time to really just experience,
Speaker 1: like just kind of sit with yourself, or go out
Speaker 1: and experience nature, or just do something like that that
Speaker 1: isn't sort of like tangentially tied to what you normally do,
Speaker 1: and you will feel a really big difference. I mean
Speaker 1: there was a time like two weeks ago, I forgot
Speaker 1: my phone at home when we we went out to
Speaker 1: go somewhere and I was like, ship, I've got my
Speaker 1: fucking phone, and we all and I was like I
Speaker 1: was like I should I turn around? And Party was like, man,
Speaker 1: fuck it, Like this is good, just sucking exist and
Speaker 1: like if anyone really needs to get ahold of you,
Speaker 1: they know how to get ahold of you. I was
Speaker 1: like I was with her, majesty, so it wasn't that
Speaker 1: big of a deal, but it really was. At the end,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy sh it. While she was using
Speaker 1: her phone, I just kind of sat looking around, asked
Speaker 1: her what she was looking at on her phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, no fair, let me use it a
Speaker 1: little bit too. All right, you had it for two minutes, now,
Speaker 1: let me get in on that. I was just I
Speaker 1: felt like the person that, like, you know, five years ago,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this weird dude all when there
Speaker 1: was no phone, like looking around at things in a
Speaker 1: restaurant like like yeah, yeah, like it was yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I reminded myself. I'm like, oh, ship, like usually sitting
Speaker 1: I usually sit with like the fear of like not
Speaker 1: being occupied with something like even my phone or a distraction,
Speaker 1: and to not do that in subjecting myself to like
Speaker 1: hours of it, it was fun. I mean not fun.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, that wasn't bad. And actually
Speaker 1: I've had a different experience than I normally. It's crazy
Speaker 1: that it's weird now and just in our lifetime too,
Speaker 1: like when we were kids, like we didn't even have phones,
Speaker 1: and now like there are things that we absolutely feel
Speaker 1: weird if we're not on constantly. What a life? We
Speaker 1: had a guess on Monday, Margaret Kiljoy, who said something
Speaker 1: that's really sat with me since she was on, which
Speaker 1: is she talks about how much her world is screen based,
Speaker 1: whether she's writing or having the podcast or research or
Speaker 1: doing these other things that she really has things that
Speaker 1: are not screen based activities that are also take attention
Speaker 1: and are just literally like look out a window forty
Speaker 1: five minutes, just like now I do other ship with
Speaker 1: my hands that doesn't involve a screen. And I really
Speaker 1: kind of try. I was really trying to lean into
Speaker 1: that the last couple of days, and it's been beneficial
Speaker 1: actually to like kind of prioritize them, like now I
Speaker 1: need something that doesn't involve a screen, Like you know,
Speaker 1: in the old even reading a book is fine, but
Speaker 1: just don't be on the fucking screen. And do you
Speaker 1: have any subtle thing I didn't realize it was taking.
Speaker 1: I actually have this really good nature YouTube video and
Speaker 1: a FOURD demon that just like makes you feel like
Speaker 1: you're just and if you put headphones on their noise canceling.
Speaker 1: It's recorded by neural audio, like you feel like you
Speaker 1: are in the everglades. My my wife and I last
Speaker 1: night we're watching like videos of starfinches. Is that the
Speaker 1: like bird that's incredibly populous in Europe, Like the birds
Speaker 1: that do like the murmurations that are startling starlings. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: murmurations of starlings. Yeah, murmurations of starlings, Like on our phone,
Speaker 1: we're like this is this is it. We're just getting Well,
Speaker 1: look at that murmuration. How many birds do you think
Speaker 1: that is? They're all vibe in this one. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Do you have do you have anything? Mouth and right, Charlotts,
Speaker 1: if you have, if you have anything that like allows
Speaker 1: you to unplug? And then I interrupted YouTube nature video. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I play my instruments more. I mean I've
Speaker 1: been a musician my whole life, and a lot of
Speaker 1: time I don't I didn't have time to like just
Speaker 1: play for fun. So now like I just rather than
Speaker 1: making beats on a computer or something, I just turned
Speaker 1: the amp up and I just kind of play and
Speaker 1: I just kind of vibe out with that. That or
Speaker 1: reading or riding my bike. I mean, I just really
Speaker 1: I really like riding my bikes since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: So I just like mob around fucking neighborhood and ship
Speaker 1: and I just kind of listen to music and it's
Speaker 1: nice to just feel the you know, the sensation of
Speaker 1: being present in my physical body and not being in
Speaker 1: my fucking thoughts all the time. And I ride Pegs.
Speaker 1: When Miles was riding around on his bike, I go handlebars.
Speaker 1: And even though I tell you you've got to wear
Speaker 1: a helmet, because your wife is like, make sure he
Speaker 1: wears a helmet, I'm like, I tell him, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't listen. He says it doesn't look cool. I like,
Speaker 1: take it off, like an inch of my head. You're
Speaker 1: trying to be Yeah, you're trying to be a rebel,
Speaker 1: so you under the chin strap and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: whatever looks more low cute? Like all right, Charlotte. Has
Speaker 1: this story reached you up in the outer outer reaches
Speaker 1: of North America? In Canada? Has the Johnny Depp's Amber
Speaker 1: Heard trial dominated? Yeah? So this I I've wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about this because our show is met Is, you know,
Speaker 1: want one of our goals is to map the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: And this has been absolutely everywhere. And there's a journalist
Speaker 1: named Natalie Scher and she had has kind of been
Speaker 1: following the case throughout and like tweeting about it, and
Speaker 1: then she just dropped an article on The New Republic.
Speaker 1: I really like her. I trust her judgment and her
Speaker 1: thing from the start has been like, you know, Amber
Speaker 1: Heard's stories like are are pretty like full of holes
Speaker 1: and there's like a lot of kind of contradictory evidence.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I would not that. So the main
Speaker 1: point of the article is like that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of think pieces being like this is you know, if
Speaker 1: you're on the left, you are team heard. If you're
Speaker 1: on the right, like your team Johnny Depp, And her
Speaker 1: kind of point is actually they're both wrong. The case
Speaker 1: like neither illustrates society's eagerness to denigrate and victimized, denigrade,
Speaker 1: victim victimized women or the opposite. The you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't show that there is like a pervasive mis and
Speaker 1: drist which out there. But I don't know. So, like
Speaker 1: the thing that I feel like her account leaves out
Speaker 1: is just she she kind of treats it as like
Speaker 1: a tawdry celebrity story that's like a curious passing curiosity.
Speaker 1: But like I've not seen a story takeover as much
Speaker 1: as this one has, Like maybe I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a it's like the new fucking OJE trial, Like
Speaker 1: people are just breathlessly like reporting everything that happens in
Speaker 1: the courtroom, and I just I think that like that
Speaker 1: is the story here actually is like how I don't
Speaker 1: know if it is the result of a sort of
Speaker 1: nascently misogynistic culture just like waiting for the right case
Speaker 1: where they can make their point that like whoa, you
Speaker 1: can't believe all women because look she's lying, or if
Speaker 1: it's if that's being pushed by like industry, you know,
Speaker 1: people who have stuff writing on Johnny Depp's like continued career.
Speaker 1: But it one way or another, it does feel like
Speaker 1: it's a bigger deal than just like a tawdry news
Speaker 1: story that's like passing. Like it feels like gamer Gate
Speaker 1: to me, and like gamer Gate is not you know,
Speaker 1: the point of gamer Gate was not like well, you
Speaker 1: know there's corruption in game development and like to go
Speaker 1: in and like analyze that. It's you know, I think
Speaker 1: her main point that she's making is like, don't stake
Speaker 1: the me too movement, like the integrity of the me
Speaker 1: too movement on like the I believe Amber Heard movement.
Speaker 1: But I think that's fine. But like overall her characters
Speaker 1: characterization of the case and its popularity, I think it
Speaker 1: is a little dismissive and like, oh, I mean it
Speaker 1: doesn't take into account what the what the chilling effect
Speaker 1: is for people who are of the victims, right, you know, like,
Speaker 1: because what we're doing is on TikTok, we're showing even
Speaker 1: younger people. It's not just adults who are engaging with
Speaker 1: this content. It's younger people too, who are looking at
Speaker 1: a thing where if you just look at it at
Speaker 1: the situation on social media, you think if you speak
Speaker 1: to support Amber heard or question Johnny Depp, then you're
Speaker 1: just gonna get flamed by a ton of people. And
Speaker 1: then gives this idea is like is that the right side?
Speaker 1: If you're not thinking about it critically? On another you
Speaker 1: just get an example of like, well, these people are
Speaker 1: also clearly like if you look at the case that
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp had against the Sun in the UK, like
Speaker 1: the court found twelve of the fourteen allegations like to
Speaker 1: rise to a civil standard like that there wasn't that,
Speaker 1: it wasn't hearsay and there's a complete like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are treating this case like as if Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp is gonna go to jail if he loses this trial,
Speaker 1: when other observers have pointed out it this was a
Speaker 1: weird move for him and almost seems like he knew
Speaker 1: what would happen by by taking like by taking on
Speaker 1: this case or pursuing this case, which is, you know what,
Speaker 1: if I go out here, you're going to have to
Speaker 1: cop to a lot of ship that you did. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're gonna think you
Speaker 1: look way worse than even I do, even with all
Speaker 1: the stuff they're gonna hear about me because this plenty
Speaker 1: a lot of awful ship has come out about Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp in the course of this trial, but it's just
Speaker 1: been kind of like, we'll keep the focus there. And
Speaker 1: this feels like a like a very odd like tactic
Speaker 1: to just sort of kind of like deepen the pain
Speaker 1: of like of just a toxic relationship and like, now
Speaker 1: watch me take you to court and make this completely
Speaker 1: miserable for everybody. Damn, you sound moles. You sound like
Speaker 1: a lawyer talking about this case here saying to the
Speaker 1: civil standards. Look, you know why though, because if I
Speaker 1: look at it like anybody else, I was confused as
Speaker 1: buck as to what the funk was going on. Part
Speaker 1: of me said, Damn, these people got so much energy
Speaker 1: for Johnny Depps something maybe something's going on, And I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it, it might not be worth it
Speaker 1: for me to to really examine what's going on here.
Speaker 1: But I think that's most people's response because one side
Speaker 1: is so vocal that it's just kind of like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to say. But this is really significant. I
Speaker 1: mean you look at the amount of people who have
Speaker 1: been making money on YouTube views off of this, Like
Speaker 1: there's a whole industry now, like a cottage industry about
Speaker 1: amplifying like pro depth anti herd messaging on social media too.
Speaker 1: Like there's a on Vice they did an interview with
Speaker 1: like some kid who had a pro dep YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: He had three hundred forty nine subscribers, like before the trial.
Speaker 1: This kid has twelve thousand now and he's fifteen, just
Speaker 1: putting together super cuts of like own edge montages of
Speaker 1: amber heard and he's like he's like, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: time because I'm home schooled. And you just kind of
Speaker 1: see like there's there's an appeal or there's an in
Speaker 1: road for someone to benefit, even if they realize like
Speaker 1: what they're perpetuating or not. But it's also just you
Speaker 1: see how how much opportunity this is presented whether it's
Speaker 1: to like channels that are going to do around the
Speaker 1: clock coverage or click bait for websites. It's clear that
Speaker 1: like this, the audience interaction with it two is also
Speaker 1: like feeding the media and like this really bizarre feedback
Speaker 1: loop as well. And I'm like, and it had me
Speaker 1: again feeling like what's going wing on? Like and am
Speaker 1: I is does this saturation means something? I haven't been
Speaker 1: paying that much attention to it because of exactly what
Speaker 1: Miles said that it just feels like a toxic relationship
Speaker 1: on the stand and for public opinion too, I guess
Speaker 1: contribute to this toxic relationship, but I I feel like
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I feel like it being attached to me
Speaker 1: too is unfortunate because I feel like it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with me too, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: it's unfair for every single celebrity tat you know, situation
Speaker 1: to be raised to the level of I guess justifying
Speaker 1: me too or not. So, I mean, I think it's fun.
Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunates also because I think I think celebrities,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, there seems to be like
Speaker 1: some mental illness stuff going on with this too. Just
Speaker 1: like the level of violence and the level of toxicity
Speaker 1: between the two of them, the drug use, all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on, and it's all just for public
Speaker 1: consumption and we're just watching it and taking sides. But
Speaker 1: it's like, these are two human beings who clearly are
Speaker 1: not all together, and their their ships out for everybody
Speaker 1: to judge, and it's and it's allowed for a lot
Speaker 1: of like in general because of you know, there's like
Speaker 1: there's like Amber heard isn't the perfect victim, therefore she
Speaker 1: is not a victim. Therefore she in fact is the
Speaker 1: actual abuser. Kind of like like sort of logic is
Speaker 1: what you're seeing playing and we see this ship all
Speaker 1: the time. The there there's seldom a perfect abuser. If
Speaker 1: you're in a relationship or any kind of you're you're
Speaker 1: fighting against something. At a certain point, you pushed back
Speaker 1: because that's your human nature of being in a situation
Speaker 1: like this, And you see this all the time, even
Speaker 1: with like police violence. Right, the police killed somebody and
Speaker 1: then they're like, well, you know they were smoking weed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they had a gun. Well it was a
Speaker 1: the cops just busted in the door with guns, like
Speaker 1: waving guns what what are you talking about? And so
Speaker 1: it's like this this reflex of like just also being like, well,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a perfect victim and nothing
Speaker 1: really to see here. Let's just kind of keep this moving.
Speaker 1: I can't believe Johnny Depp has had to go through
Speaker 1: such a horrible ordeal. Yeah, but that doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: this is the most the most sort of popular and
Speaker 1: like just media saturating case that has happened in the
Speaker 1: me too era. I feel like is like it's this
Speaker 1: other type of lie that is very common and effective
Speaker 1: in American culture, which is the sampling error where they
Speaker 1: find like the one instance where either their point is
Speaker 1: true or it's easy for them to make the case
Speaker 1: that the you know, victim is lying, and they make it,
Speaker 1: you know, they use that to blow it up and
Speaker 1: put it everywhere and make it seem like this is
Speaker 1: this is this is what what things are actually like.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's this is extremely unusual that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of unique factors happening in this case,
Speaker 1: Like you were talking about Charlotte, and you know that
Speaker 1: this is the same thing that happens with the local
Speaker 1: news where they it's it's not that they're making up
Speaker 1: crimes to show on the local news. They are just
Speaker 1: knowing a disproportionate number of crimes committed by black men
Speaker 1: or people of color or you know, whoever they want
Speaker 1: to make people think is committing the most crimes. And
Speaker 1: like that it's called confirmation bias, Isn't it? Is that
Speaker 1: what it's called. They're sampling error. But then yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that it's a confirmation biases like that that helps
Speaker 1: them believe what they already wanted to believe, right, And
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing too, is like there was
Speaker 1: I was reading like a thread from like a mental
Speaker 1: health counselor who deals a lot with abuse survivors and
Speaker 1: talking about how sometimes in the narrative of of someone's head,
Speaker 1: if things don't match up perfectly with yours, sometimes that
Speaker 1: can be a threat to the validity of your claim
Speaker 1: that you had been through an ordeal, and that you know,
Speaker 1: was to start talking about the phenomenon of how some
Speaker 1: of that doubt or whatever it is just you know,
Speaker 1: like this sort of internalized misogyny too, of like being
Speaker 1: like oh God, well like and we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of these women be elevated as like the biggest depth
Speaker 1: defenders to who are being like, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I've been through something what Amber her is going through bullshit.
Speaker 1: So it's also causing this really fucked up split with
Speaker 1: people who have gone through a similar situation. And also
Speaker 1: just like the empathy is not flowing properly at all,
Speaker 1: and we're just getting into this really fucked up you know,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, like, we're just watching this toxic mess
Speaker 1: play out, and we have like kids taking sides making
Speaker 1: TikTok videos where it's like you're twelve years old and
Speaker 1: you're like pretending to be Amber heard in a video.
Speaker 1: Like what it's doing a popular culture, I think is
Speaker 1: another thing too that we're not really kind of grappling.
Speaker 1: It was like almost like when Lorena Bobbit, that Lorena
Speaker 1: Bobbit case came out when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, she chopped this dude penis off, and
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, he was abusing her physically
Speaker 1: and sexually for years. Is it Is it the case
Speaker 1: that's affecting popular culsture? Is it popular culture affecting the case,
Speaker 1: Because it's like if this case wasn't it was in
Speaker 1: a place like I don't know, I don't know Finland,
Speaker 1: where do they have like equal where there's like equality
Speaker 1: between the sexes, if if it was a place that
Speaker 1: was more objective, if it was a place like there's
Speaker 1: already conspiracy theories coming out about all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Every new thing that comes out, there's a new conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: So it just kind of feels just like it's us
Speaker 1: that is reflecting this case, Like like it's us. If
Speaker 1: it if it was dropped in another culture that wasn't
Speaker 1: so toxic towards women, that wasn't so toxic in general,
Speaker 1: would it be different. I think it would be really different.
Speaker 1: But because it's us, because because we already have biased
Speaker 1: because we already don't believe and we don't want, you know,
Speaker 1: or not enough of us wanted. This is what we're
Speaker 1: seeing and we're not able to actually objectively look at
Speaker 1: this is Hey, these are two people who are in
Speaker 1: a really toxic relationship that probably need to handle this
Speaker 1: in a different way and handle themselves in a different way.
Speaker 1: But we're watching it like a circus and it's actually
Speaker 1: like really sad. I think I think it's really sad.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the like Brett Kavanaugh thing
Speaker 1: where the people who didn't want to believe the accuser
Speaker 1: in that case, but the accuser was just telling the truth,
Speaker 1: and it was like pretty obvious, like that, this is
Speaker 1: like the those people coming back and being like and
Speaker 1: not only that, that accuser was extremely valid, like she
Speaker 1: she was, she was an ideal accuser. She was white,
Speaker 1: she was educated, she was she was she wasn't poor,
Speaker 1: you know, like she she had all of the things
Speaker 1: that we would imagine we would want from an accuser,
Speaker 1: and it still wasn't enough. So it tells me that,
Speaker 1: like we're in a culture that doesn't want to take
Speaker 1: we don't want to change the status quot we don't
Speaker 1: want to take away the power of these men to
Speaker 1: be able to do what they do. And we we
Speaker 1: listened to them when they talk about like that that
Speaker 1: was the danger. We were talking whenever a new accuser
Speaker 1: was accute and it was like it was a joke.
Speaker 1: She misread my my advance. She you know, she's confused,
Speaker 1: she's the stupid one. Actually, she's this is a witch hunt.
Speaker 1: She's trying to bring me down. And it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can play those games and act like these men
Speaker 1: aren't actually predators, but we didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: So now I feel like every time a new case
Speaker 1: comes out, it's just like what Jack was saying, it's
Speaker 1: like a new sample bias or something like that, Like
Speaker 1: we just choose what we want to believe when we
Speaker 1: see these new stories come out. I mean, the last
Speaker 1: time they used to break up between a video game
Speaker 1: reviewer and a game designer for like a culture wide
Speaker 1: eruption of like violent misogyny in the like game fan industry.
Speaker 1: But like this, I don't know, this just also feels seismic.
Speaker 1: I feel like any any attempt to just be like
Speaker 1: it's a small taudry like celebrity gossip story is like no,
Speaker 1: this feels this feels like it's giving a big, like
Speaker 1: ugly part of the culture something that they wanted to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's another roor shacks. Test were collectively failing
Speaker 1: just to be like that's what you see, boy, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got fucking we got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1: And the other part about this too is there'sn't a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about like what exactly, like the the
Speaker 1: legal strategy of Johnny Depp to like him and Amber
Speaker 1: heard they lived in California together, but anti slap laws
Speaker 1: are very strong in California, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like they're like there's a lot of laws to protect
Speaker 1: people from like defamation suits if they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking out against like well known people. California is very
Speaker 1: it's very it's a lot harder to bring those kinds
Speaker 1: of cases there. And Fairfax County in Virginia completely different story,
Speaker 1: completely different story. The laws are are not as as
Speaker 1: strict when it comes to these like sort of anti
Speaker 1: slap laws. And his lawyer, first we're saying, like, first
Speaker 1: we're saying, like, well, you know, she says something to
Speaker 1: the Washington Post and that their servers are actually in Fairfax, Virginia,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're doing it here. But then like
Speaker 1: later on was just also kind of acknowledging, like his
Speaker 1: lawyer acknowledged quote acknowledging a pretwel pre trial hearing that
Speaker 1: one of the reasons they brought the case in a
Speaker 1: Fairfax County courthouse is because Virginia's anti slap slap law
Speaker 1: is not as broad as the one in California. So
Speaker 1: there's like there's so many layers to like the intent
Speaker 1: to of like what Johnny Depp's aims are too, and
Speaker 1: also just again like there is this very there's just
Speaker 1: like this side of it. I can't understand, like logically right,
Speaker 1: because you could have you could have just taken you
Speaker 1: could have just stopped talking. I've gone on with your career.
Speaker 1: But this trial is bringing like again, it's bringing more
Speaker 1: things on the record about Johnny Depp that I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wouldn't want out there. But in this instance, it's
Speaker 1: almost like, well, you know what, I'm she she has
Speaker 1: to humiliate herself now too, and guess what, I have
Speaker 1: more supporters and it's gonna look a lot worse for
Speaker 1: her than it is for me. And it's the same
Speaker 1: and that's why Marilyn Manson is doing the exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's now it's like a play, like we're
Speaker 1: seeing like a new play or I mean, this has
Speaker 1: existed for a while, but like it's becoming normalized and
Speaker 1: now we're not even like looking at all the factors
Speaker 1: of it and we're just being like, oh, she pooped
Speaker 1: in the bed. And even then, if you really read
Speaker 1: the like the documents about it, most likely the dog
Speaker 1: and Johnny Depp wasn't even living there at the time,
Speaker 1: so was she gonna ship in her own bed? Right?
Speaker 1: Like that's anyway, So they're they're like, I do think
Speaker 1: that it is consequential, and I think for a lot
Speaker 1: of the reasons too, is like the amount of a
Speaker 1: like the amount of gravitational pullet has on social media,
Speaker 1: like on places like YouTube and TikTok, Like, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of that's a lot of misinformation, weird takes going
Speaker 1: into the minds of younger people who are this may
Speaker 1: be the first time there may be dealing with a
Speaker 1: case dealing, you know, with intimate partner violence. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about a bill that might actually work. And we're back.
Speaker 1: And the last time we felt good about a bill,
Speaker 1: it was ending daylight savings time, I think. But it
Speaker 1: was like the wrong one. And also they chose the
Speaker 1: wrong one. Bunch of people are gonna get hit by cars,
Speaker 1: I think is because of the one they chose. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so what this is the schedules that work act. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's simple name. I'm like, okay, schedules that Okay, what's
Speaker 1: going on? So of American workers are at hourly gigs
Speaker 1: right like, and I think most of us know what
Speaker 1: it's like to work hourly and how uncommon it is
Speaker 1: to have your shifts be like consistent and predictable so
Speaker 1: you can, you know, like plan your life, whether it's
Speaker 1: like classes or childcare or you know, helping out with
Speaker 1: your family, things like that, having a consistent thing like
Speaker 1: not only work Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, like I know,
Speaker 1: nailed on those are that's my week. So most people
Speaker 1: do not have that luxury, and we're constantly you know,
Speaker 1: having to do weird ship like be on call or
Speaker 1: have like these weird moments like why the funk am
Speaker 1: I on call? I work at a laser tag place
Speaker 1: you're talking about, like so I can break down the
Speaker 1: soda like syrup boxes when they go empty funk that.
Speaker 1: So Elizabeth Warren and Rosa de Laua from the House
Speaker 1: are introducing this bill because they know, like you know,
Speaker 1: legislation like this should be easy, like a no fucking
Speaker 1: brainer for anybody to support, and who wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: have some basic rules when it comes to you know,
Speaker 1: your managers making your schedule again. Essentially, they're calling for
Speaker 1: new laws that would make it you know, okay, For
Speaker 1: first of all, if you need to shift to like
Speaker 1: a schedule chance change that you don't have to fear
Speaker 1: retaliation that you're somehow going to be painted like we're
Speaker 1: talking earlier, like our shitty shift manager reflexes or it's
Speaker 1: like you need to change your schedule, how do we
Speaker 1: know we can count on you? Then like that kind
Speaker 1: of ship that like trying to do away with that
Speaker 1: kind of sucked up talk or just like that that
Speaker 1: sort of environment also to like just shitty things like
Speaker 1: being on call, like when you're like I have to
Speaker 1: be able to not do anything, like I can't have
Speaker 1: panic about being called into work like while I'm taking
Speaker 1: care of something, or or getting your hours cut in
Speaker 1: the middle of a workshift because things are slow, and
Speaker 1: I get that sometimes it's unsustainable, but that is also
Speaker 1: money for the worker that can no longer that now
Speaker 1: longer no longer has access to that to survive. So
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're looking at the polling and they say, wow,
Speaker 1: this this could work. Seems like even Republicans love thistent
Speaker 1: of Republicans support this bill, and look, and that's that's
Speaker 1: not bad considering how you know, boot brained. Most conservatives
Speaker 1: are about like, you know, going to work and being productive.
Speaker 1: But I just want to read like in the in
Speaker 1: the text of the bill, or just like as they've
Speaker 1: rolled out this bill, they're they're pointing to like why
Speaker 1: this is necessary, because it's not just like oh man,
Speaker 1: my fucking boss, right quote. A growing body of research
Speaker 1: demonstrates that unstable and unpredictable work schedules have significant detrimental
Speaker 1: impacts on sleep quality, mental health, and happiness, and are
Speaker 1: associated with unstable childcare care arrangements and negative health and
Speaker 1: behavioral outcomes for children. And impacts are likely to be
Speaker 1: the most severe for workers of color and their families,
Speaker 1: as workers of color are more likely than their white counterparts,
Speaker 1: even compared to white co workers at the same company,
Speaker 1: to experience unstable work schedules. Unstable and unpredictable work schedules
Speaker 1: and the work family conflict they produce are also associated
Speaker 1: with higher rates of turnover, which creates further instability for
Speaker 1: employers and workers. Just like it's like right there, like
Speaker 1: how what's so, what's the problem? It just makes sense, right,
Speaker 1: And it's introduced by my president Elizbeth Warren, who's who
Speaker 1: I voted for in the primaries. But hey, we got Joe.
Speaker 1: You know, do we think this has a chance of
Speaker 1: like getting through, Like maybe the bipartisanship will help it
Speaker 1: get through and get passed. Yeah, that sounds like it
Speaker 1: will happen. I mean, it make it makes sense, so
Speaker 1: it probably won't pass. I think, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know who's opposed to it yet, but you can you
Speaker 1: can tell somebody whose main donors, like the Chamber of
Speaker 1: Commerce or something. Sure they're going to be like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: don't fucking make standardized humane treatment for there's a law
Speaker 1: you fucking we should cut out that part about why
Speaker 1: it's good for workers and just put the part where
Speaker 1: it's good for the corporations because turn over. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: you want less turnover? I feel like that's how you
Speaker 1: got to talk in this ant climate, because that's the
Speaker 1: only way if you put that it's better for working
Speaker 1: color girl, I don't even put that, but it's good
Speaker 1: for the employers because they don't want to hear that, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: It's we'll see what happens. I mean, I think, ah,
Speaker 1: you'd hope that something like this would work. But it
Speaker 1: is really interesting though, when you just look at like
Speaker 1: the poll numbers, right, like significant support for something like
Speaker 1: this from across the political spectrum, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: hard to watch democrats kind of tout these bills that
Speaker 1: have such bistart bipartisan support, but not see the fucking
Speaker 1: thread here. You know, like, hey, man, fucking worker rights
Speaker 1: are really popular now since you're not willing to do
Speaker 1: anything about the inequality, like in terms of taxation for
Speaker 1: the wealthy, So maybe lean into this and watch your
Speaker 1: shitty poll numbers go up. But like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I would think even the most cynical like democratics like
Speaker 1: democratic strategists, would tell the d n C to go
Speaker 1: for like another rug poll on like worker rights in
Speaker 1: the mid terms. But hey, it's still early. They may
Speaker 1: you never know, let's see what they do tremendously. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Just yeah. It's literally like leaving bread crumbs
Speaker 1: for like a child, which is how I leave my
Speaker 1: children home from leaving a trail of bread crumbs for
Speaker 1: some reason, works just worked, but it's just like over here,
Speaker 1: over here, and then like you know, they get distracted
Speaker 1: by in this case, lobbyists or whoever is going to
Speaker 1: tell them that it. This is gonna make it impossible
Speaker 1: to make schedules or you know, yeah yeah, instead of
Speaker 1: it'll make it slightly more difficult. But that's okay, because
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing. It's like, this was
Speaker 1: I think first, I think Elizabeth Warren first tried to
Speaker 1: introduce it to Congress, like in twenty nineteen. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: So I've been trying to chop at this tree, you know,
Speaker 1: for the moment head of the curve. Now she's always dope.
Speaker 1: There was one um, I want to say that like
Speaker 1: one of the earliest ones was in Oregon. Yeah yeah, yeah, Oregon,
Speaker 1: like I think was one of the first, or at
Speaker 1: least to my knowledge, And so I don't don't take
Speaker 1: that as the gospel truth. But seen Day also passed
Speaker 1: a similar thing, and it's I think it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things for ages, people have always been advocating
Speaker 1: for something like this, which is you have to let
Speaker 1: people know when they're working and not working at a
Speaker 1: bare minimum, like you can't. We can't have the power
Speaker 1: dynamic beers. You're completely beholden to your employer. But that
Speaker 1: is the status quo in this country. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why we see bills like this constantly being like, Hi,
Speaker 1: how about now? Yeah? Right maybe, but yeah, And it
Speaker 1: feels like a stand in for like either unions or
Speaker 1: just like a larger workers rights movement or push or
Speaker 1: something like that, because just schedules. But that's why I
Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Warren because she just tries to do it
Speaker 1: like baby crumbs, exactly like what Jack was, like, bit
Speaker 1: by bit, she just tries to break down the bigger
Speaker 1: movement of what we're trying to do. Like before that,
Speaker 1: she was trying to do a bunch of like regulating
Speaker 1: the financial industry or the banking industry. She was trying
Speaker 1: to regulate it to make it more consumer friendly, to
Speaker 1: like make it more transparent and all these other things
Speaker 1: that she was trying to do, but they didn't listen
Speaker 1: to her. So she she does her best to try
Speaker 1: to break things down for everybody. But it feels like
Speaker 1: the Democrats strategy right now is still to appease the
Speaker 1: right or to appease like these Republicans that don't want
Speaker 1: to work with them. So let's see what they let's
Speaker 1: see what they do. They've been extremely disappointing. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then think and meanwhile, you know, Biden just bowsed
Speaker 1: to the moderate wing, and then we just get a
Speaker 1: fucking flurry of things like why the progressives fucked it
Speaker 1: all up? Excuse you? No, they look at the people
Speaker 1: who are saying no to this ship that was wildly popular.
Speaker 1: It wasn't fucking progressive, and you would think that Biden
Speaker 1: would just go for it and just do it like
Speaker 1: he's you're on your way out of life, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're like it's like like balls to the walls,
Speaker 1: like you know, you only live once. He's probably like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got hey, I got another run in me. You
Speaker 1: know you don't its right now? This is you might
Speaker 1: die tomorrow, bidn'. I don't know why body even feels
Speaker 1: like he has another term. You don't. He might not
Speaker 1: have another week. Yeah, Like there was that quote he
Speaker 1: gave about Taiwan and then the no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was cap. That was cap. He was captain, that's all,
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh my god, like is he is it?
Speaker 1: Is it that he's just freestyling up there. It's like
Speaker 1: he saw how to be president twenty years ago and
Speaker 1: thinks that that's what we need right now, like be
Speaker 1: a war monger right now. Everybody's trying to just survive inflation,
Speaker 1: like you're trying to, like you think that we want
Speaker 1: the kind of president that we would have needed maybe
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, which we wouldn't have needed that at
Speaker 1: all anyway. But I feel like he's not able to
Speaker 1: pivot and focus on the moment and do what's needed
Speaker 1: in the moment. And that's been clear with just his
Speaker 1: you know, inability to have a real discussion about you know,
Speaker 1: Roevie Wade and how to actually codify proper abortion access
Speaker 1: into law. But I think that's hopefully again, maybe this
Speaker 1: is a radicalizing moment for some people to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see things are really fucked up. I see that
Speaker 1: they have the votes for a lot of this stuff,
Speaker 1: but they're not doing it. Make this make sense because
Speaker 1: let me tell you, I see what is happening to
Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne. I'm like, damn, could you imagine if the
Speaker 1: Democrats did that ship to fucking Joe Mansion try and
Speaker 1: get his ass in line, like to be like, oh
Speaker 1: you really want to Okay, you know you piste us off,
Speaker 1: watch us eat your ass up, because are you know
Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne was getting in the way of their like
Speaker 1: polite stroll into fascism, and they you know, they did
Speaker 1: what they had to oust him pretty quickly, so they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna wait to see what happens with the mid
Speaker 1: terms and then make a decision. But like I just
Speaker 1: started hearing like my first Democrat being like I'm considering
Speaker 1: a run for assuming Biden doesn't run, but like almost
Speaker 1: like a like that is a like fifty fifty shot
Speaker 1: at this point the Biden doesn't run, at which point,
Speaker 1: like the news cycle just becomes utter fucking chaos if
Speaker 1: he announces that he's not gonna run. The person in
Speaker 1: question Eric Adams from New York City. Great, a brand
Speaker 1: new mayor who was a cop. Great, amazing, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: more cops, more cops. Cos. Let's just spend the last
Speaker 1: minute of the episode cops, Cop scops, Cops, cops. Everybod
Speaker 1: Charlotte is such a pleasure having you as always, wear
Speaker 1: can find you, follow you, all that good stuff. You
Speaker 1: know what. Hilariously, I am not on social media. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's why I'm driving. I'm just like I ever heard
Speaker 1: who what? But then you go on YouTube trying to
Speaker 1: find your put a ring on it clip. You know
Speaker 1: it's literally all over YouTube like everything is this trial
Speaker 1: how I don't watch this ship, but they fucked the
Speaker 1: algorithms up there, that's all I see. Yeah, I am
Speaker 1: starting a new blog for expiring, new and inspiring screenwriters
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Speaker 1: get that work. Hopefully it'll be up by the time
Speaker 1: this episode is up, and if it's not, it'll be
Speaker 1: up at some point. That is brand new and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be launching that. Is there a tweet or some
Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying, or
Speaker 1: just regular media? Yeah, actually my magazine art. No, my
Speaker 1: little sister sends me hilarious oh good, okay shorts all
Speaker 1: the time, so I'm gonna send it over to you guys.
Speaker 1: It's just this little girl in this in this wig store,
Speaker 1: dancing with the little wig and it's it's hilarious. I
Speaker 1: felt like a Spanish like a part of Riffon in
Speaker 1: his hair. I felt part of Rifflon. Y'all know. I
Speaker 1: love and support a riffon if Miles Where can people
Speaker 1: find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? Find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Uh
Speaker 1: and also check out Obviously Mad Boost. He is the
Speaker 1: basketball podcast Jack and I do get fantastic guests. This
Speaker 1: week is note different. Also check out for Fiance if
Speaker 1: you like ninety day Fiance say some tweets that I like? Well, ITCHI, well, ITCHI,
Speaker 1: well ITCHI. Let's try this one. This one is just
Speaker 1: funny to me because I laugh at people who are
Speaker 1: taking crypto ls, you know, when they can afford to. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not laughing at the small retail investor who may
Speaker 1: have been absolutely hoodwinked. But this is from More Butter.
Speaker 1: At More Butter TV tweeted Seth Green's board ape and
Speaker 1: f T, which was set to star in its own
Speaker 1: animated show, was stolen through a fishing skin that Green
Speaker 1: no longer owns the commercial rights to the n f
Speaker 1: T and thus the show cannot move forward. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how is he going to perpetuate these racist memes? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not laughing, I know, I know. And
Speaker 1: here here's another one for all the I think you
Speaker 1: should leave fans out there. President of unders At Mr
Speaker 1: zoom Er tweeted a picture of a guy like with
Speaker 1: his new lawn sign. And you know those lawn signs.
Speaker 1: I say, like, in this house we believe like love
Speaker 1: is love, Black lives matter like those sort of you know,
Speaker 1: being like, hey, you're in a safe neighborhood until you
Speaker 1: ask me for something by knocking on my door kind
Speaker 1: of signs. This sign says, in this house, we believe.
Speaker 1: The bones are their money. So are the worms. They've
Speaker 1: never seen so much food is this underground? There's half
Speaker 1: as much food as this. Bones equal dollars, just because
Speaker 1: that the skeletons came to life. Song sketch is one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. That is the bones are their money.
Speaker 1: The thing I like about I think you should leave,
Speaker 1: which I always forget every one of the sketches until
Speaker 1: someone quotes it for me and then I remember it
Speaker 1: all over again and it's funny to me all over again.
Speaker 1: But it cannot stick in my brain for some reason,
Speaker 1: which is good, which is good. Yeah, you can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien. Uh. A couple
Speaker 1: of tweets have been enjoying. Jenny Hogan tweeted, I've been
Speaker 1: described as introverted by dozens of men I didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk to. And then Dama Tella Versaci tweeted asking
Speaker 1: a close friend, what do you do for work? Again?
Speaker 1: Which is just something I identified. You can find people
Speaker 1: like that like, wait, what do you do? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what any of my friends and finance
Speaker 1: do for a living, like none of them? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Facts zero. You can find us on Twitter
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Speaker 1: dot com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.
Speaker 1: We link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think
Speaker 1: people might enjoy? Oh? Man, this track is from NIA
Speaker 1: Archives and it's called love Light. I don't know where
Speaker 1: or she is from what This track is like very
Speaker 1: d i y like pop kind of thing, but it
Speaker 1: almost feels like she's combining like West African highlights like
Speaker 1: guitar with drumming bass and singing on it it's a
Speaker 1: very like genre diverse, like very like guess that mute.
Speaker 1: When you hear you're like, oh shit, okay, we're in
Speaker 1: two for sure. Listen to this ship. Uh So this
Speaker 1: is NIA Archives with love like l U B l
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