Speaker 1: And we continue along down the conference finals. We see
Speaker 1: a return to dominance in a familiar position for Golden
Speaker 1: State and a dog fight in the Eastern Conference if
Speaker 1: some kind of fight, because they continue, dog fight is
Speaker 1: what it is. Well, we are joined with a fantastic
Speaker 1: podcaster and one of the best follows on Twitter, Mr
Speaker 1: Dragonfly Jones. I'm Miles Gray, I'm Jack O'Brien and this
Speaker 1: is my Miles and Jack god mad lawless execution nailed it. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome y'all to another edition. Was this episode nine? Look
Speaker 1: at us? I think I think that's right. Were we
Speaker 1: really did it? Yeah, we had Robert ryon last week,
Speaker 1: but he can tell me anything. I am pete confidence.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I went to l A Fitness and shot
Speaker 1: seven straight airballs just off the strength of Sufferable around
Speaker 1: the house else right now. Um, but it's it's all good.
Speaker 1: It's important for me. But welcome to the show, Mr
Speaker 1: Dragonfly Jones. Yeah, it's thrilled to have you one of
Speaker 1: my favorite followers on Twitter. Yes, yes, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: having me. Um. That podcast intro was amazing, Like that
Speaker 1: was like some d X billy bad gun type energy
Speaker 1: going there and I'm taking notes here exactly, and we're hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're hitting with the d X degeneration next everything. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so far. I mean that's like one thing we see
Speaker 1: consistently in the reviews. Thank you everybody who leaves a review.
Speaker 1: They say, the opening is just the the amount of coordination.
Speaker 1: We have not seen such a thing since the synchronize.
Speaker 1: We found your pocket with that, they say. They say
Speaker 1: they have a hard time getting to the content because
Speaker 1: they just find themselves replaying the opening over. Yeah, I understand,
Speaker 1: like we're doing, like, yeah, we're like a UK grime
Speaker 1: DJ were like swill spin right back to the time,
Speaker 1: like Miles and Jack got Matt Boy. The guest is
Speaker 1: asleep by the time we get to them. Yeah, but yeah, Dragonfly,
Speaker 1: how you yeah, how are you enjoying it? These conference finals,
Speaker 1: these playoffs of ours? We are partially responsible for them
Speaker 1: because Miles and I are a partnered with NBA, so
Speaker 1: we take ownership. Um, so, how how do you like
Speaker 1: our product? How do you like? How you enjoying out? There? Is?
Speaker 1: Is there going to be like a settlement checking the
Speaker 1: mail for me sitting through these conferences from I'm not
Speaker 1: a fair of them. I think the finals are going
Speaker 1: to be really good, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: but these conference finals they just they just haven't been good.
Speaker 1: Bro Okay, okay. The Warriors are dominating, and you know,
Speaker 1: I still like watching it. They're like one of the
Speaker 1: teams that I like to watch dominate just because of
Speaker 1: how pretty and uh, you know, just like next level.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're just like banging it in and
Speaker 1: like laying it in there. You know, they played a
Speaker 1: full Uh. The beautiful game is what I call basketball.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's another sport that calls itself that
Speaker 1: it's beautiful game that is in basketball. Now. Every time
Speaker 1: Boston dominates, uh, this was true in the Milwaukee series,
Speaker 1: but Milwaukee went seven. This series is tied to two.
Speaker 1: But after every Celtics win, I'm like, well, that's a wrap,
Speaker 1: like the you know, after Game four, I was like,
Speaker 1: so Celtics and six, right, like this is that's it?
Speaker 1: And that was true every time they beat Milwaukee too.
Speaker 1: They just like their winds look very convincing to me
Speaker 1: for some reason. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. It feels
Speaker 1: like it feels like the Celtics are in that weird
Speaker 1: spot where it's this is a championship caliber team, but
Speaker 1: they haven't taken those postseason lumps yet where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they know what to do in this spot, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like you know, for for all
Speaker 1: the all the times where where the Celtics go go
Speaker 1: missing and the game slips away from them, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jalen and Jason are kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: letting the game you know, get away from them, and
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, they're not ready to take that step
Speaker 1: just yet, you know what I mean, because the execution
Speaker 1: isn't there. They're not executing like a veteran playoff team,
Speaker 1: which is to be expected. You know, they they're pretty
Speaker 1: young to this. I'm not at all saying like they're
Speaker 1: behind schedule or anything like. These are the lumps that
Speaker 1: teams take on their role to being a championship team.
Speaker 1: But here credit like you said, when they're on they
Speaker 1: look like world beaters. They look like the best team
Speaker 1: in the league. They really do. And I posed a
Speaker 1: theory embarrassingly in front of Robert Ory that like every
Speaker 1: team with a star has a gravitational equilibrium and like
Speaker 1: the Celtics to this point with Jayson Tatum, it's been
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals, and uh, Miami with Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 1: it's been the finals. So like this is a test
Speaker 1: of that theory. But you know, the Bulls with Michael Jordan's,
Speaker 1: their gravitational equilibrium was the Eastern Conference finals for a
Speaker 1: long time and then I think they got a couple
Speaker 1: where they went to the finals and did pretty good
Speaker 1: after that. So my theory might be stupid. And to
Speaker 1: your point, the Celtics and Jayson Tatum are very young,
Speaker 1: so this might just be the series where we watched
Speaker 1: them kind of take it to the next level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I also want to give it out to a
Speaker 1: fellow geriatric millennial. Al Horford continues to just give me
Speaker 1: these little moment Man, that one block he had his
Speaker 1: fourth block when he just looked into the stands like this,
Speaker 1: like he's like, where'd that go? Where'd that go? I
Speaker 1: was just like it was it was really I don't
Speaker 1: know if I I felt like he there was something
Speaker 1: about watching him in this postseason that he's just been
Speaker 1: like showing these signs of life that make me just
Speaker 1: believe in uh, you know, being an older person in
Speaker 1: this league when so much of it has been dominated
Speaker 1: by the younger players. But yeah, like even with him
Speaker 1: there too, Like there is something I don't know for
Speaker 1: when you talk about the lumps that a team has
Speaker 1: to take, it does sort of feel like they are
Speaker 1: in that process litely of beginning to evolve into that
Speaker 1: next you know, that next stage. I'm still not over
Speaker 1: how last series was the Al Hallford Like, who saw
Speaker 1: the Bucks and the Celetics, Right, we saw Tatum and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this is you know, one of the
Speaker 1: first battles of many for probably you know, the you know,
Speaker 1: the best player in the league perhaps in a few years. Right,
Speaker 1: And we saw that. We saw those two you know,
Speaker 1: all world guys going up against each other. And then
Speaker 1: Al Hawford comes to sales the show, like I remember
Speaker 1: that that one game was it was a game three,
Speaker 1: I think when he went crazy the first game and
Speaker 1: I was like and I was like, bro, Boston, Boston
Speaker 1: messed up. You cannot you know, not cash in on
Speaker 1: an Al hall for performance like that because he won't
Speaker 1: do that again this postseason. He did it again the
Speaker 1: next game. I was like what, I was like, where
Speaker 1: what is where did this dude come from? But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like like you said it was. It was just,
Speaker 1: you know, an elder millennial moment where that guy just
Speaker 1: kind of took center stage that series. I will tell
Speaker 1: you where he came for. That is Philadelphia, where he
Speaker 1: played for the seventies Sixers, which is the team that
Speaker 1: I followed, and everybody was like, what are they doing
Speaker 1: spending for him? He's past his prime And that's how
Speaker 1: it looked for a season. Uh not necessarily passed his prime,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't wasn't doing this, And then UH went
Speaker 1: right back to Boston and UH teamed up with Tatum,
Speaker 1: who the Celtics also tricked the Sixers out of. It's
Speaker 1: very it's a very lopsided friends to think of it
Speaker 1: as a friendship partnership. But Bro, the best player in
Speaker 1: the world, dunked on that man, and that dude said okay,
Speaker 1: and he didn't lie. That thirty five year old man
Speaker 1: did not lie. He won a championship in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six. Week wookim Noah in college and he is
Speaker 1: out here given the best player in the world. Problem
Speaker 1: years later, I hadn't even put it together. Noah and
Speaker 1: him were teammates. Those were those were the days. So
Speaker 1: Dragonfly Jones the thing that we do up top is like,
Speaker 1: just pick one thing that was like the dopest thing
Speaker 1: we've ever seen on a basketball court, in this case,
Speaker 1: the dopest thing we've ever seen on a basketball court
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Um, I think Miles and I might
Speaker 1: have the same one, which is the Wiggins dunk. Did
Speaker 1: you see that? Did you hear about that play in
Speaker 1: the basketball game? Okay? First, I'm wow. I guess we
Speaker 1: can talk a little bit about that series. You know,
Speaker 1: as of this recording, we have not seen what happens
Speaker 1: in Game four, but math would suggest that perhaps you know,
Speaker 1: no matter what happens in Game four, that this is
Speaker 1: a Golden States to lose. But that dunk, though, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if Luca knew halfway of like
Speaker 1: when he went up with Wiggins, that he knew Actually
Speaker 1: I actually do not, actually actually don't want to take
Speaker 1: part in this because it felt like, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the more iconic images of that freeze frame is
Speaker 1: just Wiggins is up here and then Luca is already
Speaker 1: sort of like trying to get out of the way. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I'm always like part of me feels that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he knew that the poster presses were getting
Speaker 1: fired up at that moment, and he said, decided, man,
Speaker 1: maybe that's try something different. Yeah, he wasn't flapping. He
Speaker 1: was just reacting to what was about to happen to
Speaker 1: his uh legas with little contact. That's why he said
Speaker 1: he kind of like flinched, but but he was feeling
Speaker 1: the pain down through generations to follow rumps and the
Speaker 1: Fins snaps it outside the Wiggins goes fight successful. Challenge
Speaker 1: by Steve Kerr and the Warriors. It's not an offensive
Speaker 1: foul on Andrew Wiggins, nor is it a defensive foul
Speaker 1: on Luca don Chet. But it is a good bucket
Speaker 1: and poster by Drew Wiggins. Challenge successful, and Wiggins has
Speaker 1: his third career Playoffs double double. I know Luca has
Speaker 1: a very promising career ahead of him. I do think
Speaker 1: he should retire from competitive basketball. Um after that dunk, uh,
Speaker 1: but it was an incredible play. I did not think
Speaker 1: we were going to get to all time great playoff
Speaker 1: dunks in the same Playoffs this year. But this and
Speaker 1: John as we'll talk about a little bit later. Do
Speaker 1: you do you have another play, maybe maybe a dark
Speaker 1: horse play of like one of one of the dopest
Speaker 1: things you've seen on a human person do on basketball
Speaker 1: court in these playoffs. Oh, Drew, do you have the
Speaker 1: defensive play of the year when he locked that game
Speaker 1: up with the block He's snatched out of the air
Speaker 1: and then Rudolph Marcus Smart's chest Like usually usually when
Speaker 1: God's trying to save them all, they don't off that
Speaker 1: man in his chest. You want him in his soul
Speaker 1: right in Boston, you know, he wanted him to feel
Speaker 1: that in his soul, Like, Bro, I just took this
Speaker 1: game from you, literally took it from you midair, and
Speaker 1: I'm bouncing this ball off your chest back, the ball back,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna steal the ball from you again
Speaker 1: to for sure lock this up. Yeah. That that that
Speaker 1: was of the season for me for sure. Yeah. Should
Speaker 1: we should we play that? Let's play that one sequence? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we've talked about that, but
Speaker 1: that was one of the great because I think by
Speaker 1: the time we had recorded again that series was over
Speaker 1: seconds left in holiday rint federal holiday. On the base
Speaker 1: play there coming off to help condatons beat not just
Speaker 1: take comes off the top and take it off. I
Speaker 1: mean you can tell as he's like sort of rotating
Speaker 1: on the baseline. Part of him is like can I
Speaker 1: get it to somebody? And then it just like your
Speaker 1: reflexes from being a kid, which is like, now I
Speaker 1: throw it as hard as I can at the person
Speaker 1: in front of me, so his chest, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it can't be true. Drew Howe They is such a
Speaker 1: unique player because that dude will go like eighty six
Speaker 1: and then you leave that game thinking they don't win
Speaker 1: this game without Drew, you know what I mean. He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys. You know what I mean, He's
Speaker 1: just a unique player. I mean he's like I wanna
Speaker 1: argue with anyone who says he's perhaps the best guard
Speaker 1: defender in the league, like even better than Marcus Smart.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's that good man. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: the fact that he was doing that to the person
Speaker 1: who won Defensive Player of the Year and for the
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, a perimeter player winning
Speaker 1: it probably not a coincidence. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: NBA will let us keep that in. I don't know,
Speaker 1: We'll see the Defensive Player of the Year was the
Speaker 1: victim of the Defensive Player of the Year that's how
Speaker 1: life is sometimes. Yeah, like soldier Boys said, in this life,
Speaker 1: you either crank that soldier boy. That soldier boy cranks you.
Speaker 1: You and that soldier boy got cranked on Marcus Art.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a hell of what's a soundboard? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's typically when a podcast introduces the fact
Speaker 1: that they had a soundboard on Standby is episode nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he goes there it is and I always got
Speaker 1: soldier boy on deck. Just there we go. Jimmy Butler
Speaker 1: has been pretty incredible. You know. We talked to Robert
Speaker 1: Ory about, you know, his ability to elevate in certain
Speaker 1: big moments. Jimmy Butler kind of kind of does that
Speaker 1: just across the playoffs. It seems like a real thing.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't know. It seems like he has
Speaker 1: an extra gear. Derek ly I followed, look at how
Speaker 1: the steel God said, side stops turns layoffs, got it.
Speaker 1: This is a Miami cavalancher of a third quarter. To me,
Speaker 1: just the quick and roll was j chuck, oh damn,
Speaker 1: but another strip Butler. Yeah, he's he's He's someone who
Speaker 1: elevates his game every postseason, right, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: for the last three seasons. I've been thinking, man, Butler
Speaker 1: might be washed, and then he just goes nuclear in
Speaker 1: the post, right because I mean because you you look
Speaker 1: at what he does and what the Miami Heat do,
Speaker 1: and like, regardless of how much the game has evolved,
Speaker 1: regardless of how much it's you know, threes or layups,
Speaker 1: you need to come playoff time. You need to execute
Speaker 1: in the half court, you need to be money from
Speaker 1: the midrange, and you need to lock up on defense.
Speaker 1: And Butler and Heat do all of those things. And
Speaker 1: that's why they always have these long postseason runs. Like,
Speaker 1: like I said, regardless of how much the game evolves,
Speaker 1: you need to do that nineteen forty three stuff too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to get that Larry O'Brien for sure, and Jimmy Butler
Speaker 1: and the Heat are a prime example of that in
Speaker 1: that series. Right, Like, I know, watch this has been
Speaker 1: a wild Eastern Conference Finals. Like my neck hurts trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, Like I'm like, who's got the here?
Speaker 1: I don't trying to. I mean, I think now that
Speaker 1: I watch it, you know, more and more, I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm starting to lean towards the way of the Celtics
Speaker 1: just because of you know who the Heat might may
Speaker 1: or may not have access to. But I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of them they're your favorite friend because as
Speaker 1: a Los Angeles Lakers fans, we all know that I
Speaker 1: am legally obligated to speak kindly about the Celtics, But like, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, as I watch it, I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: looking at the injuries and I'm thinking, Okay, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I know, if the Warriors are
Speaker 1: in the final, they're looking at both They're like, oh
Speaker 1: so two wrecked up, banged up cars have come to
Speaker 1: meet me in the finals. But I'm just curious of who,
Speaker 1: like who do you think has the edge despite like
Speaker 1: all these variables, with the injuries and what seems like
Speaker 1: very streaky shooting for the Heat. Yeah yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, there's no science too, so I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the you know, Jimmy Butler is
Speaker 1: kind of is the best oldest guy in this series,
Speaker 1: and you know, suppose the best coach in the series.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm watching my wagon at that. But
Speaker 1: I guess I will see, you know, the Heat probably
Speaker 1: getting this and seven that's probably where I'm at. Wow,
Speaker 1: I would love that to be true. Um, nothing person
Speaker 1: completely unbiased. I would love for that to be true. Um.
Speaker 1: And then mostly for Dragonfly because we would love that
Speaker 1: for you. Dragon Fly. I would just love that for
Speaker 1: you and for you to be happy, because I want
Speaker 1: happiness for you. How does Sixers fans feel about Jimmy
Speaker 1: getting away? Horrible? Horrible about everything. I feel bad about that.
Speaker 1: I feel bad about the fact that we traded up
Speaker 1: to get away from picking Jayson Tatum. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: the whole thing feels in a word, bad, It feels bad. Um.
Speaker 1: The just the kind of partner and then you know
Speaker 1: they have taken the soul out of Sixers fans in
Speaker 1: the playoffs like that, that series when Sixers fans were
Speaker 1: like M D. Simmons, here they come and rookie Jayson
Speaker 1: Tatum was just it was. It was an ugly it
Speaker 1: was ugly. It was a painful memory. Not very considered
Speaker 1: of your feelings. I would say, Jack, Jimmy Butler, I've
Speaker 1: always told myself he just didn't want to play for
Speaker 1: the Sixers, and so that's he wanted. He wanted to
Speaker 1: be in Miami. He knew that's where where he belonged,
Speaker 1: and I don't know he was he was he was
Speaker 1: you know, we saw that whole Tobias Harris over me Tirade.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can lean on that anymore, Buddy.
Speaker 1: I feel like great players tell themselves what they need
Speaker 1: to tell themselves to d to be furious at all times.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I can't. In no way do
Speaker 1: I feel good about any aspect of the loss of
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler. I got a question, Um, you saw how
Speaker 1: like Luca right activated having those Sons players laughing in
Speaker 1: his face, and do you think I mean, look, he's
Speaker 1: been he's been performing great, but do you think he
Speaker 1: he needs a moment to kind of get in his
Speaker 1: like inner you know, aggressive player, like you know, he
Speaker 1: he plays well when he had like when he feels slighted.
Speaker 1: And I feel like in this series, aside from maybe
Speaker 1: that dunk, I'm not like like I like, I've seen
Speaker 1: speculations on the internet, Like I was looking at some
Speaker 1: of the fans talking like Warriors fans like you think
Speaker 1: Kerr told them to not fire up Luca too much
Speaker 1: because they don't want to face the wrath. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're you know, going out with
Speaker 1: that intention to be like, don't upset him. But they've been,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty classy with him, and I'm curious, like
Speaker 1: in the back of their minds they might be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he can find a way and maybe we'll just you know,
Speaker 1: if you listen to every single time out halftime speech
Speaker 1: from Kerr is all about the Warriors being nice to Luca.
Speaker 1: That's the whole, that's his whole, in his whole strategy. Alright,
Speaker 1: I want you to be kind to him, nicer, nicer, George,
Speaker 1: what are you doing man? The formal you and Slovakian
Speaker 1: when you talk to him? Yeah? But wait, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke, if you saw the clip where you know,
Speaker 1: after that Promila to send Phoenix home, when when they
Speaker 1: locked that game up and someone asked him, did you
Speaker 1: know that you had more points than Phoenix at the half?
Speaker 1: You saw that devilish twinkling? Of course I did. Are
Speaker 1: you crazy? Like he lives? I think he lives for
Speaker 1: snack talk. I think didn't the um the game in
Speaker 1: the bubble where him and Montrez got into that dustup?
Speaker 1: Did he not hit the game winn of that same
Speaker 1: very game so yeah, he's someone who he's someone who
Speaker 1: thrives on it for sure. No, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: those those little those discussions with curR they're helping, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just be compliment him, complimented shoes, say, say
Speaker 1: you met one of his family members, wonderful people. Which
Speaker 1: is whyich is why I hate that offensive foul call,
Speaker 1: even even though he got dunk on, because I feel
Speaker 1: like you take him on with from Wiggins there, and
Speaker 1: you took the moment from Luca there too, because like
Speaker 1: in the future, we know that there's gonna come a
Speaker 1: moment where Luca is, you know, trajecting upwards and he's
Speaker 1: and the war is gonna be trajecting downward. They're probably
Speaker 1: gonna meet in the postseason. Luke is probably gonna get
Speaker 1: him out of here, right, And that would have been
Speaker 1: a great little redemption art for your documentaries or whatever
Speaker 1: when you show when you show how to show how
Speaker 1: Wiggins damned on him. Then two three years later he's
Speaker 1: standing the Warriors home, like you don't get Rocky without
Speaker 1: him getting beat up biopology, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I feel like they took that apollo, you know,
Speaker 1: but weoping from him that you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you take some of the edge off that it had
Speaker 1: to be overturned. Hate that. Yeah, yeah, when I felt
Speaker 1: like every part of me was like I in what dimension? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but to post I think like everybody on
Speaker 1: Twitter was saying, like, that's an n f T either way.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk all time great playoff dunks uh and other
Speaker 1: things with dragon fledge on and we're back. Uh, hey,
Speaker 1: we're back. Get to see. Thanks for sticking around. Yes, yes, uh,
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about our favorite dunks so far.
Speaker 1: I think that again, we talked about this whenever there's
Speaker 1: an iconic dunk. It's it's one of the most basic
Speaker 1: forms of communication, which is I am better than you
Speaker 1: in this moment, and we love that energetic exchange when
Speaker 1: we see these dunks. Uh, Dragonfly, we were asking you
Speaker 1: were like something, what you know, since we're in the
Speaker 1: moment of iconic playoff dunks? Uh, maybe maybe you have
Speaker 1: a couple that you'd like to share with the class. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: I've got a little a little top three, a little
Speaker 1: podium here in no particular order. Okay, Um, I've got
Speaker 1: Baron Davis over, um, Carolina, let's go on there. Okay,
Speaker 1: so break that down for us. You know, the Warriors,
Speaker 1: we're playing on house money at that point in second round.
Speaker 1: They had just bounced you know, the um the Dallas
Speaker 1: mass whould you know come off of fine was running
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. They were perhaps the best team
Speaker 1: in the league for a few years, and the Warriors
Speaker 1: just took the shouts to don Nelson in this small
Speaker 1: ball approach, like we do not give don Nelson enough problem.
Speaker 1: Let me just takeing a side here. Who was just
Speaker 1: saying that, Yeah, a player was just talking about don
Speaker 1: Nelson being like one of his favorite coaches. What was
Speaker 1: that was that? It was our guest last week? Good good.
Speaker 1: We need to keep the don Nelson love train going
Speaker 1: because that man's fingerprints are all over today's NBA. Like
Speaker 1: you look at what he did in Milwaukee in the
Speaker 1: seventies where he he created the first point forward Marcus Johnson, Right,
Speaker 1: you look at him what he did in in Dallas,
Speaker 1: you know, with with with with revolutionizing to stretch forward, Dirk.
Speaker 1: You look at what he did after he left Allas
Speaker 1: and went to you know, the Warriors and revolutionized small
Speaker 1: ball and beat Dirk up. You know with that, he
Speaker 1: his fingerprints are all over today's NBA in regardless of
Speaker 1: positionless basketball. Get the ball in your best player's hands,
Speaker 1: stretched the floor. It doesn't matter how tall you are.
Speaker 1: Can you shoot? Okay, You're gonna shoot. Like that's don
Speaker 1: Nelson's whole blueprint there. Robertory was saying that he wished
Speaker 1: that was the coach that he wished he could have
Speaker 1: played for. All the coaches that he didn't play for,
Speaker 1: that was the one because yeah, like you said, stretch
Speaker 1: big big men, who I mean or he was one
Speaker 1: of the first stretch for you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Love don Nelson? Yeah, yeah, and um but yeah, that
Speaker 1: that dunk boom on a K Like like I said,
Speaker 1: we knew they were playing with house money. We knew
Speaker 1: they were not getting past the Jazz that postseason. And
Speaker 1: for him to just go body to body lift his
Speaker 1: jersey up back. This is back before the jersey popping era,
Speaker 1: Like the was gonna be a pioneer. You know, this
Speaker 1: is two thousand and seven, and you know he went
Speaker 1: bodied the body on a k you know you had
Speaker 1: with like the hook and then just you know popped this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was an all time over for sure. That was
Speaker 1: when the broadcast would like cut to the noise meter
Speaker 1: and whoa they really they really like that. They're a
Speaker 1: loud out of control on this noise meter. A lot
Speaker 1: of good things and not such living scoring. Hello. Oh
Speaker 1: they hit one oh seven. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: number means, but they hit one or seven on that
Speaker 1: noise meter sound level meter. It is labeled Wait, so
Speaker 1: that wasn't the series where they shocked the world. No, No,
Speaker 1: they beat the mass before Okay bounces. Yeah. Man, he
Speaker 1: got around Darren and he was like, man, all right, Andre,
Speaker 1: that's on you bro? Can you handle this? Was? That?
Speaker 1: Was that a waste trainer on Baron Davis? Like I know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't like I wasn't. Does appear as though Baron
Speaker 1: Davis is wearing spanks before they were invented. Let me see, yep,
Speaker 1: he got the one that was made by body glove.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah that dunk. I mean, poor poor Caro Lenko.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Let me just let me just
Speaker 1: see I'm not just living s Hello, he goes up.
Speaker 1: I mean he's obviously got the length, but when he
Speaker 1: goes you're being beat with velocity, upward velocity, and you're like,
Speaker 1: get out my way. He didn't stand a chance. Sorry.
Speaker 1: AK forty seven For young fans like Baron Davis was
Speaker 1: you know, six four and built like a brick house,
Speaker 1: if I can swear once. On this episode, he he
Speaker 1: goes up Karen Linko, who is what like six eight
Speaker 1: six nine. He's a big, tall dude, great defender, and
Speaker 1: Davis like cocks it back and like turns his back
Speaker 1: to the basket and then like almost like winding up
Speaker 1: like it's a nomo and then like yams on him.
Speaker 1: It's it's an act of beauty, an act of violence.
Speaker 1: Baron Davis was so fun. Man. Oh yeah, what a
Speaker 1: time to be alive. When Baron Davis was like, you know,
Speaker 1: really doing it for the Warriors. Oh, what's next on
Speaker 1: your on your countdown Dragonfly? Next next on the Dragonfly?
Speaker 1: Uh uh Kobe over nash m hmmm. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that one oh five, oh six? Uh. This
Speaker 1: is this was again people who may or may not
Speaker 1: have heard based on how we speak on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm a lifelong Laker fan. Uh and this one is
Speaker 1: absolutely one of those dunks like you'll always remember just
Speaker 1: from like just kind of how the play came together.
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, this was like in transition
Speaker 1: or a fast break or something. This is just kind
Speaker 1: of like Lamar hustling, Yeah, setting Kobe up, and then
Speaker 1: the rest is history. It's it's it's perhaps the best
Speaker 1: Kobe play from Kobe's best season. And just for a
Speaker 1: little context, Nash and the Sons were basically the best
Speaker 1: team in the league that year, right or like they
Speaker 1: their record was, you know, they were I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people's pick heading into the playoffs to win
Speaker 1: it all. I'm trying to think if there's another example
Speaker 1: of a team that was the best team in the
Speaker 1: league heading into the playoffs and then can't put it
Speaker 1: together in the playoffs loses in the second round. But
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't think of it all right, But anyways,
Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns at that time, that that's what happened to
Speaker 1: the floor with Kobe. Nash thinks he's it's a good
Speaker 1: idea to get your Kobe and the fun. Well, how
Speaker 1: serious loves that and the fun Kobe got one looking
Speaker 1: for great pot play has Kobe, you know temp mode.
Speaker 1: Kobe is generally always you hard for him to be
Speaker 1: what an a polling after securing it on the ground,
Speaker 1: finding Kobe and Kobe find the real I mean, can
Speaker 1: you talking about joke off the trampoline? Up up man?
Speaker 1: Just and just that hanging on the rim after just
Speaker 1: an insult to injury. I think that is my my
Speaker 1: favorite way to underline. It's just to just be like,
Speaker 1: are you good down there? Can I come down now?
Speaker 1: So okay, you're okay, okay, I will safely return to
Speaker 1: Earth and props the lamar, you know, Like then, as
Speaker 1: I said, he busted his butt on applate dope for
Speaker 1: it looks ball thread at the dime between two defenders,
Speaker 1: like tremendous effort on his bar and um, what's another
Speaker 1: dunk that you've been enjoying? But can we think of
Speaker 1: another playoff postseason dunk. It's it's it's it's Shoaler Beasley.
Speaker 1: That's an all timer. Recently biasy damn that is going
Speaker 1: down in the boats. Yeah, yeah, I have a hard
Speaker 1: time differentiating between recentcy bias and like whether the players
Speaker 1: are just like getting better like this, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This This play made me a believer that we might
Speaker 1: be seeing some of the best things we've ever seen
Speaker 1: in the history of the league. Fans have gotten empty
Speaker 1: here in Memphis. They're down and opening around series job breaker,
Speaker 1: And if there's anything that will get this crowd roaring,
Speaker 1: that's like Grizzlies dam job morax. What do you think
Speaker 1: it is about this? How that shoppic connection was actually
Speaker 1: a blessing? Here? You seeing all these freeze frames was
Speaker 1: ridiculous because it was like watching it with a broken
Speaker 1: strobe lay on and actually kind of cool for you,
Speaker 1: is it? Because it's so beautiful visually right, like just
Speaker 1: just him dunking on Beasley, but also like his body shape,
Speaker 1: having a ball so far back. I'm I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think it like pickles every part of your brain like
Speaker 1: that makes a dunk beautiful that I have trouble actually
Speaker 1: quite putting my finger on it, because it has every
Speaker 1: single dimension of a fantastic dunk. Yes, all great dunks
Speaker 1: have a moment where the where where the dunk seems impossible,
Speaker 1: where it's like falls it right here? How did he
Speaker 1: take off from here or pulls it right here? He
Speaker 1: was midair, the defended was right there. He dunked on
Speaker 1: that guy like they all have a moment like that
Speaker 1: where it's where it seems improbable but they pull it off. Ye.
Speaker 1: That that's uh yeah. The Baron dunk the choppy connection
Speaker 1: made me realize that he basically turns around to like
Speaker 1: Hideo Nomo on him. Uh. And this one, it's he's
Speaker 1: so far back when he cocks it back. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The circle. He's still at the circle when he cocks
Speaker 1: it all the way back. Yeah. Again, I have trouble
Speaker 1: describing what I'm seeing, like even like with the amount
Speaker 1: of speed he had going into it, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like he could have taken off from well behind the
Speaker 1: free throw line and still made it to the rim,
Speaker 1: like he like Beasley, gotten his way and he was
Speaker 1: still like no, sorry, he's still gonna make it Like
Speaker 1: it's just impossible. But oh it's It's both a how
Speaker 1: did he do that? And why did he do that?
Speaker 1: Why did he jump far back and think he could
Speaker 1: dunk it? And then yeah, he he ended up doing it.
Speaker 1: So all right, should we take one more break and
Speaker 1: then come back. We'll do a rapid fire close things out. Yep,
Speaker 1: let's do it. We'll be ready and we're back and
Speaker 1: it closed things out. I mean, I think we stumbled
Speaker 1: upon a nice little game last episode Jack with our
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions because it allows us to learn more
Speaker 1: about our guests and also we get to learn something
Speaker 1: like maybe where some of the best food is. But
Speaker 1: shall we get into our rapid fire? So, dragon Fly,
Speaker 1: we're gonna ask you some questions. Don't think, just answer
Speaker 1: and uh away we go. Start like the joker, Dragonfly,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite dunk of all time? Favorite dunk of
Speaker 1: all time? Um, pipping over you? And that's the best
Speaker 1: dunk of the playoffs. Um, that's the best dunk of
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know, my other three one of my favorites,
Speaker 1: but that is objectively the best. Nim where their body
Speaker 1: turns into like a human plus sign it like everyone's legs,
Speaker 1: like everyone's like a right angle legged. I was just
Speaker 1: looking at so it's so disrespectful, Like you know, he
Speaker 1: dunked on that man, he stood over him. Then he
Speaker 1: went and talked snacked the spike lee. He told him
Speaker 1: to sit his bleep down. It was it was a moment. Uh, Dragonfly,
Speaker 1: you are a aficionado of trash talk. Um, who is
Speaker 1: your goat trash talker of all time? Number one? Trash
Speaker 1: Oh it might be m j Okay, it might be
Speaker 1: mj um. You know, as as boring as that answer
Speaker 1: might be. Like when I found out that dude would
Speaker 1: saying Anita Baker while giving dudes to work, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like what what gets hopping? Like dude's out there saying
Speaker 1: and would step back like come on, man, Like I
Speaker 1: would go home so angry. I would leave if you
Speaker 1: did that to me. You can go back in time.
Speaker 1: And this is a hypothetical, by the way, I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you the truth here, Jeffie. Back in you can
Speaker 1: go back in time and witness any single game live.
Speaker 1: Which game are you choosing? Game seven, two thousand and
Speaker 1: sixteen finals, M yeah, oh, and it would be fun
Speaker 1: to be there in particular, Um, I want to be
Speaker 1: I want to be right next to little Dickie right
Speaker 1: when Brown almost sunked on on Draymond. Have y'all seen
Speaker 1: that figure like Little Dicky is in the background all
Speaker 1: that what's about to happen? Oh, no, Dickie. All side
Speaker 1: little Dickie is is he cannot believe that Braun was
Speaker 1: about to You know, if it's right that man like that,
Speaker 1: what's kind of a basic about that picture is the
Speaker 1: perspective looks like Little Dickie might also be holding the
Speaker 1: basketball because Braun is holding in the front, and it
Speaker 1: looks like little Dicky's also got the ball cocked back.
Speaker 1: But he's really being like noah, uh yeah, dragonfly, who
Speaker 1: is your personal goat greatest of all time? Oh, Lebron James.
Speaker 1: And I say this as someone who watched Pique Jordan's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I am. I am that
Speaker 1: old to where I knew what I was watching when
Speaker 1: I watched it. I watched that finals. I said, there's
Speaker 1: no player I've ever seen in my life who could
Speaker 1: have done what Lebron James did here. You know, he's
Speaker 1: the you know, regardless of if you think he's the
Speaker 1: go We've never seen a player this good for this long.
Speaker 1: We've never seen a more complete player, like if that's
Speaker 1: the worst phraise you can give Lebron and that that
Speaker 1: makes it my go all right? And then next over
Speaker 1: the next five years, are there one or two people
Speaker 1: like faces of the league who you can see entering
Speaker 1: that conversation currently in the league. Yes, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not beholding to my goat being the goat forever
Speaker 1: like I said, Jordan was my goat until I feel
Speaker 1: like bron surpassed them. It's gonna be, you know, ten
Speaker 1: fifteen years down the line where someone will probably surpass Bronomy.
Speaker 1: And the one who's in po position for that right
Speaker 1: now is be honest, like, we'll see what you know,
Speaker 1: what the young man accomplishes, but the rest of it
Speaker 1: he has right now? Are you kidding me? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Back to back m VPS Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year Finals mv being one of the greatest
Speaker 1: finals of performances I've ever seen. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he will be the goat, but the sky is the
Speaker 1: limit for that young man for real. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of him off to look him up. He sounds yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: google them. Google it's someone you When you think that
Speaker 1: who you said, who's Johnny S? And I said Johnny?
Speaker 1: All right? Yes, hey Gianni, I love Gianni's uh dragonfly.
Speaker 1: You could put together the old Admit one on one
Speaker 1: tournament where you can plug people out of different eras
Speaker 1: in their primes. Whatever. Um, give me your ultimate matchup.
Speaker 1: How are you going to sell out that pay per
Speaker 1: view when you say I have X versus X one
Speaker 1: on one tune in to night X versus sever That's good.
Speaker 1: That's that is a really good question. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: like k D is a lock for one of those
Speaker 1: because I feel like, you you gotta go perimeter wing
Speaker 1: win player, because the fact is their games are just prettier,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's prettier. I love bullyball,
Speaker 1: back to the basket, you know, working the post basketball.
Speaker 1: But as far as aesthetic wise, you know, bringing in
Speaker 1: the viewers, perimeter wanne players, that's what you know. Fans love.
Speaker 1: Katie will for sure get a lot for me and
Speaker 1: maybe Kobe. I feel like Kobe vers Katie would probably
Speaker 1: be a good matchup aesthetically wise. But Katie is such
Speaker 1: a match you know, mismatch that he's beating whoever. I
Speaker 1: probably rolled out there, you know what I mean, seven
Speaker 1: foot get whatever jumper you wants, right, But Ums, as
Speaker 1: far as you know, just beauty of the game, you know,
Speaker 1: aesthetically pleasing, I'd probably go Kobe Katie. So I want
Speaker 1: I want to give an answer here because if it's
Speaker 1: make it, take it like, I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: great answer. If you know, you score and then you
Speaker 1: go on to defense. I want to see Shack versus
Speaker 1: Jordan's because I feel like Jordan's would find a way
Speaker 1: to win even though Shack could back him down every
Speaker 1: single time. Like I just I don't know, it would
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how he solves that problem. That
Speaker 1: game would be ugly everything like Jordan will work Shack
Speaker 1: Shack would work. Jordan's would be, but it will be
Speaker 1: entertaining though three NBA refs on the court. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: uh all right. And finally, uh two part question, greatest
Speaker 1: basketball movie of all time and then best worst basketball
Speaker 1: movie of all time? Oh, I think the best worst
Speaker 1: basketball probably six Man. Sixth Man has literally artist sixth
Speaker 1: Man has literally made me tear up before like I've
Speaker 1: got I've got an older brother, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: who I'm close with and and seeing you know the
Speaker 1: whole you know, Marlon Lose and his his older brother
Speaker 1: that has brought me like has had the bottom lip
Speaker 1: quiver in a few times. That's probably the best worst
Speaker 1: basketball movie. Um. I saw that twice in the theater.
Speaker 1: I was such anything any ways was in I was
Speaker 1: watching like just from in Living Color on I was
Speaker 1: just like loyal to the ways family, like I will
Speaker 1: give you my money when I can, And that was
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah yeah, best basketball movie. Um, Above the Rim,
Speaker 1: we'll probably get my vote. You got tu Foc, you
Speaker 1: got Wood hair Wood. Harris is a legitimately great that
Speaker 1: he's one of our He's one of America's greatest actors.
Speaker 1: He has been doing this for like four decades now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: above Them probably gets my vote. The game play in
Speaker 1: Above the Rim is like pretty pretty good, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's solid. Like when I was younger and watching movies,
Speaker 1: it really bothered me how bad Michael J. Fox was
Speaker 1: at basketball in Teen Wolf. Um. And so I think
Speaker 1: I judged everything from that point forward based on like,
Speaker 1: well that person actually looks like they know how to
Speaker 1: play basketball. Um, so you know, getting Ray Allen and
Speaker 1: he got game blue chips, I don't forget he got games.
Speaker 1: I might have to say my vote that he got Game.
Speaker 1: I might have the movie succeeding despite Ray Allen giving
Speaker 1: us one of the worst performances in the history of cinema.
Speaker 1: Is a testament unto itself. But it's an unobtrusive bad performance.
Speaker 1: It's not he's not trying to do anything. He's just
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm a great looking human who looks amazing
Speaker 1: holding a basketball and doing things with it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Blue Chips doesn't get in. I love Blue Chips. I'm
Speaker 1: in the background of Blue Chips. You are Patino's being interviewed.
Speaker 1: You can see two blurs shooting hoops in the background.
Speaker 1: I am one of those blurs. I am the blur
Speaker 1: he Got Game. My friend is in the background of
Speaker 1: both Blue Chips and He Got Game. I am in
Speaker 1: the background of He Got Game. When Rick Petino is
Speaker 1: being interviewed shooting around in the gym, oh right, right,
Speaker 1: right when Okay, okay, I'm gonna look out for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you can tell because I got kind of an
Speaker 1: ugly shot, and like you can see that one of
Speaker 1: the blurs looks like they have a hitch in their shot. Orthodox,
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I thought I thought I got style points
Speaker 1: when I was developing my shot. Dragonfly, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for stopping by, Mad Boost. He's always always guess like
Speaker 1: you are sure it was a blast, But let's appreciate
Speaker 1: you having you. Man, Do you have a cool little
Speaker 1: outro going on to or I mean, in the sense
Speaker 1: that we ask our guests, where can people find more
Speaker 1: of you? And hear from you and listen to you
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, following me on Twitter, Dragonfly Jones. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm on the Voyu, the Jenkins and Jones Show with
Speaker 1: my boys Legettro Jenkins, my Garter Bosio. So I'm out here.
Speaker 1: I mean these spot streets, in these Twitter streets. Ask
Speaker 1: about me, yeah, get it, get into his Twitter, Get
Speaker 1: into Twitter. But tans your question. We don't have anything
Speaker 1: that we do to end the show. And it's actually
Speaker 1: kind of a problem. It's just we kind of like
Speaker 1: trail off a little bit. Yeah, and then we're kind
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know, that was a good episode.
Speaker 1: That was I guess that was good. Right. Next week
Speaker 1: I will see another installment of My Jack Jackott got
Speaker 1: Mad Boost and Perfect Synchroniza. I forgot to say finding
Speaker 1: Forrester my favorite basketball. All right, we'll see you next week.
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