Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. The NBA Finals are about to kick off,
Speaker 1: and you know we got to talk about those conference
Speaker 1: finals as well as this matchup. But we have a
Speaker 1: very special guest to do it with. Today. We are joined,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, with somebody who's written on TV, acted
Speaker 1: on TV, and you may even know him from the
Speaker 1: hit NBC show Grand Crew, which just got a second season.
Speaker 1: We have Carl Tart in the building. I'm Miles Gray,
Speaker 1: I'm Jack O'Brien, and this is Miles and Jack Boots
Speaker 1: lawless intro. Yes, the finals are here, but more important,
Speaker 1: Carl our guest, Our guests, Mr Carl Tart. If you
Speaker 1: don't know who Carl Tart is, maybe you're not familiar
Speaker 1: with laugh because if you are, certainly this is a
Speaker 1: name you would have ringing in your ears. But Carl,
Speaker 1: let's not delay any things further. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How you been man, Thank you for having me. Two
Speaker 1: of my oldest and dearest friends, two of my and
Speaker 1: Jack and I are so dear, such dear friends that
Speaker 1: he has watched every single episode of my show. I
Speaker 1: send you a note tells me how much he likes me,
Speaker 1: sends me flowers if nobody give me my flowers, Jack
Speaker 1: is giving me there it is. I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: be here, y'all. I'm so heavy. You'll finally talking basketball.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've talked about Jack's history with the game
Speaker 1: of basketball is in his blood. I've never seen you
Speaker 1: who You got to come out with us on Sundays
Speaker 1: because I need to see what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can, you can see. I'm I'm pretty transparent with it.
Speaker 1: I have about three just heavy dribbling moves that I
Speaker 1: like mainline from the N one mixtape. I have no
Speaker 1: left uh And that's pretty much all you need to
Speaker 1: know about me. So if you show me left, they're
Speaker 1: like you've neutralized me on the basketball court. That heavy dribbling,
Speaker 1: Like you're dribbling many times like James Harden, or you're
Speaker 1: just like pounding it. I'm hitting like the hurricane that
Speaker 1: like Ao used to do, or like hot Sauce, Like
Speaker 1: there were certain like moves that I was like, I
Speaker 1: just want to create the muscle memory because I would play.
Speaker 1: See I didn't I didn't make the basketball team, So
Speaker 1: I played that nutrition with the kids and the honors
Speaker 1: classes couldn't make it, and I was serving those young
Speaker 1: students out there on the blacktop. So that's that's me.
Speaker 1: The kids we weren't allowed to play with. My coach
Speaker 1: used to be like, don't you be out there with them?
Speaker 1: You got a game to play. Yeah. When I was
Speaker 1: in freshman in high school, we used to, uh we
Speaker 1: used to gamble and for the for like the gangsters,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, car, car, gonna shoot for me.
Speaker 1: They used call it shooting for bucks. Remember that there's
Speaker 1: so much pressure because you didn't want to get beat up, right,
Speaker 1: But so we're like out there, I'm like I gotta
Speaker 1: make these shots, like that's how they made and these
Speaker 1: are like seniors and I'm like four team right right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of peer pressure. I don't think there's more
Speaker 1: pressure than a senior being like, hey you you're like, yes,
Speaker 1: he gotta he got a jumper they called called Jimmy
Speaker 1: is wet. Like you shouldn't have to edit that out.
Speaker 1: That's a basketball reference. But uh man, So how are
Speaker 1: you feeling about? What did you think about the conference finals?
Speaker 1: East or West? Who do you want to talk about? First?
Speaker 1: We can talk about we can talk about the Western
Speaker 1: Conference finals first. Sure that happened. Yeah, that happened. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was what it was. I'm happy with that outcome.
Speaker 1: I was rooting for the California team. I have my
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Dallas team and their fan base, but
Speaker 1: I'll keep it to the other podcast. But but I um,
Speaker 1: I was rooting for the California team. You know, I
Speaker 1: like those I like those dudes. Now, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: was hating on the back of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: us Lebron guys, big Lebron guy. I definitely was hating
Speaker 1: on the Warriors back then. But after getting to know
Speaker 1: Stephen Draymond a little bit more, seeing the adversity that
Speaker 1: that they faced with Clay being out and seeing that's
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, man, y'all ain't y'all. Don't bother
Speaker 1: me no more. And I also feel like the fighting
Speaker 1: for Lebron, it's just gonna be what it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: He's entering his twentieth season, so I'm like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna get the rings that he got, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he I don't know if he
Speaker 1: wins another one. He's gonna be my goat forever. It's
Speaker 1: my guy. But I don't. I don't have no problem
Speaker 1: with the Warriors anymore. No series, what it was that
Speaker 1: showed you saw experience versus no experience. Uh, you saw
Speaker 1: the smart the brains of defensive minded players like Draymond
Speaker 1: Green and the way he helped Andrew Wiggins do as
Speaker 1: much as he could with Luca don Yeah, uh, he
Speaker 1: did it. He did as much as he could, and
Speaker 1: he did a break good job. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: when you when you got a player like that who's
Speaker 1: never gonna be that rattled, you gotta capitalize on the
Speaker 1: moments where they do get rattle. Because Luca is still
Speaker 1: very immature on the court, and you can see you
Speaker 1: can see his you know, his bravado, his cockiness when
Speaker 1: things when things are going well, and then you can
Speaker 1: see how much he shuts down when it's not going
Speaker 1: well and so, and you want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you capitalize on the moment of him not playing well.
Speaker 1: So the other players don't know who to look to
Speaker 1: because there's no other dog all on that team, and
Speaker 1: they need another dog. They need another dog. They got
Speaker 1: rid of Chris Stops. Christops wasn't that dog. I think
Speaker 1: they need another, uh, another superstar to help him there,
Speaker 1: especially then Wedie came up strong. Jalen Brunson is great.
Speaker 1: I love I love a four year college guy because
Speaker 1: they get the most disrespect. Jabar says a John Collins type.
Speaker 1: I I think that that would work there. I mean
Speaker 1: Dorian Finnis. I think Tim Hardaway Jr. Coming back Is
Speaker 1: gonna help them tremendously. I think he's very good. I
Speaker 1: think he's underrated player. I've watched him in those Clipper
Speaker 1: series and he ate us up a couple of games
Speaker 1: when we did kind of neutralize Luca, and neutralizing Luca
Speaker 1: is letting him do what he wants and making sure
Speaker 1: nobody else scores the basketball. And uh but he uh yeah,
Speaker 1: John Collins type of a big forward that can that
Speaker 1: can shoot the ball from the outside, kind of like
Speaker 1: what they have. But somebody's a little bit faster than
Speaker 1: like a Maxi cleeper, somebody a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a dog, a little bit of a better score than
Speaker 1: than Maxi cleeber. I think that's what they're lacking anyway.
Speaker 1: All to the Eastern Conference Finals. Alright, so game said,
Speaker 1: I mean, we might as well talk about the thing
Speaker 1: the whole series turned on, which is the Jimmy Butler three,
Speaker 1: but like, up until the moment that that hit the
Speaker 1: front of the rim, it felt like he was just
Speaker 1: the Heat were just like, like somebody tweeted that it
Speaker 1: seemed like they were playing for a game eight, like
Speaker 1: they were just kind of slow rolling it. And then
Speaker 1: when they made the comeback, I was like, damn, like
Speaker 1: they really are just giving exactly what they need to
Speaker 1: win this by one shot and then obviously he didn't
Speaker 1: make it. But he didn't make the shot. I was
Speaker 1: at a wedding why that game was going on, and
Speaker 1: I was watching on my phone under the table, and uh,
Speaker 1: I was watching a little bit because I'm I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of this. This playoffs has been exhausting, man,
Speaker 1: It's been exhausting. So I'm watching, I'm going back and forth.
Speaker 1: But I was rooting for the Heat. I'm not a
Speaker 1: Boston fan by any means. I love to see them lose,
Speaker 1: but they didn't lose, and rightfully so, they were the
Speaker 1: better team that That shocking Game six win by the
Speaker 1: Miami Heat was beautiful. Yeah, it was like, Jimmy Butler
Speaker 1: is one of the most underrated players in the league.
Speaker 1: I saw somebody tweet and these are the type of
Speaker 1: things that make me exhausted with takes like this. I
Speaker 1: saw somebody tweet Jimmy Butler is one of those rare
Speaker 1: guys that's not a top five player, and I go,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we just gotta we gotta tone
Speaker 1: it down with the rankings, the live rankings and things
Speaker 1: like that, and understand what basketball is. It is the Yes,
Speaker 1: there are superstars that played better, that do better things
Speaker 1: than others, but the system is what works. The system
Speaker 1: has to work. The Golden State Warriors proved that to
Speaker 1: us with their first three championships, Like it's the system
Speaker 1: that work that allows the superstar players to thrive, and
Speaker 1: said system it all has to come together like a
Speaker 1: beautiful mix. Jimmy Butler has not had that. Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend about this and I
Speaker 1: always bring him up just because he's talked. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan, but he talks. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't deny who he is. Luca don Jimmy Butler
Speaker 1: is playing Luca done one on one. I think Jimmy's
Speaker 1: got way more dog in him than Luca does. And
Speaker 1: I think that Jimmy Butler could win that if he
Speaker 1: makes the shots and Luca mimses a, come you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean that was my whole thing
Speaker 1: was that he should have made the three and that
Speaker 1: should like that's the that's the thing that he's talking
Speaker 1: about there, like should he have taken it? Should he
Speaker 1: have not taken it? But like if you think about
Speaker 1: whether he had made it, if he had just made it,
Speaker 1: like that would have they would have had the lead.
Speaker 1: I think, Jack, that takes ridiculous, ridiculous take. Do you
Speaker 1: think he should have made that shot as a home
Speaker 1: missing it? Jack? Come on, man, they let you talk
Speaker 1: on his microphone like he set himself up for a
Speaker 1: story book. Comeback, think about next year, Jack, This year
Speaker 1: don't matter. I know a lot of like you know,
Speaker 1: Max Strews hit that three is the game's winding down.
Speaker 1: It's what the three? So that three puts them within
Speaker 1: two and again, like you're saying, with the momentum going
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, I'm like, this feels
Speaker 1: as Jimmy Butler's coming down the court with I'm like this.
Speaker 1: I remember being like I feel like this is we're
Speaker 1: about to see the thing that's supposed to happen. But here,
Speaker 1: let's just take a little bit of a listen to
Speaker 1: that play from that three to take it to making
Speaker 1: a two. So again the energy feels like, Okay, now
Speaker 1: they're within two mm. The comeback is on its way
Speaker 1: in eleven oh run. So Streuss had just made his
Speaker 1: shot correct, which is pretty good according to math. That
Speaker 1: puts them within two and now smart Smart coming striving
Speaker 1: and strokes it up. It was like, I'm starting to
Speaker 1: feel pre war. Damn. You heard it in his voice
Speaker 1: right there, like that was the right shot because he
Speaker 1: clearly thought it was going in. And I think everybody
Speaker 1: was like for the like in their heart, they were
Speaker 1: like they thought they were about to watch, like when
Speaker 1: people just suddenly have the ability to rewrite the laws
Speaker 1: of physics and just do whatever they want. For a
Speaker 1: couple of plays on the basketball court, Jabar brings up
Speaker 1: ant to the point there was a three that was
Speaker 1: retroactively wiped the way that could have definitely made a difference.
Speaker 1: He did not step on the line, did He was
Speaker 1: right over it. It was up. He didn't step on
Speaker 1: the line, and he took that away, which you know,
Speaker 1: can we can write that off as a Boston call,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: that fair and square. I think the better team won
Speaker 1: the series, of course. I think that, you know, bad
Speaker 1: being your second best score. It's tough when you're playing
Speaker 1: against such a strong, defensive minded team. Robert Williams does
Speaker 1: so much on the court and makes up for so
Speaker 1: many mistakes that Boston makes. Jayson Tatum and Jayalen Brown
Speaker 1: have like the most turnovers in the playoffs, I think.
Speaker 1: But when you gotta play like Robert Williams out there,
Speaker 1: like he makes up for mistakes like that. Al Horford
Speaker 1: is just a basketball mind. He knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: He played so well on that game stuff. They shout
Speaker 1: out the geriatric millennials right now. Um My, uh Marcus Smart.
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna do what he's gonna do. When
Speaker 1: he started hitting threes, that's what I just like turned
Speaker 1: to the people I was with. I was like, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's over. It's over right there, you're gonna have that.
Speaker 1: I think going into this Golden State Series, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be And this is a Jack Jack O'Brien point, like
Speaker 1: it are you gonna do is make this shot? It's
Speaker 1: gonna be more Tonna mac farlan, take the team, these
Speaker 1: two teams, I'm gonna just tell you like this, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive versus defensive game at every possession,
Speaker 1: At every possession, one team is gonna be playing really
Speaker 1: good defense and the other team's gonna be playing really
Speaker 1: good offense. And that's what we're gonna see, and that's
Speaker 1: what we look out for. Uh No. I think I
Speaker 1: think an X factor in this series is Andrew Wiggins.
Speaker 1: I think he has to play defense on Jason Tatum
Speaker 1: as well as he did on Luca Done. And I
Speaker 1: think Jason Tatum I want to say James Tatums is
Speaker 1: better than Luca uh, but that just might be my
Speaker 1: hate rate uh coming out of my poores. But I
Speaker 1: think he uh definitely can be stopped easier then Luca
Speaker 1: Done because his his turnover rate is much higher than
Speaker 1: Luca Dodge. Luca Dodges protected a little bit more with
Speaker 1: the angles that he uses to play with this Tatum
Speaker 1: plays a little bit more, you know, athletically, and that
Speaker 1: calls for a lot of more a lot more turn
Speaker 1: I think if Andrew Wiggins can can neutralize him a
Speaker 1: little bit then then Golden State has a chance. I
Speaker 1: think that's the the X factor any and it also
Speaker 1: has to be from both that he has to make shots,
Speaker 1: he has to Andrew Wiggins has to be on offensively
Speaker 1: and defensively. I think he's the X factor in the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Staff is gonna do, Steff. I think if
Speaker 1: they win, like steps, finally gonna get his his offensive uh,
Speaker 1: his m VP, his Finals MVP this this series. But
Speaker 1: Boston's defense is just out of this world. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing when you compare Tatum and uh, Luca is
Speaker 1: like well, Tatum is also one of the best perimeter
Speaker 1: defenders in the league, so that that makes a difference
Speaker 1: because as you pointed out that, uh, you know, Wiggins
Speaker 1: is going to have to play defense on Tatum. Um,
Speaker 1: and that is important, is whether you can play defense
Speaker 1: on the guy who is trying to put the ball
Speaker 1: in the basket. That's what I hear too. You know,
Speaker 1: it's this is important, what you're doing when you don't
Speaker 1: have the ball in your hands. You know, it's the
Speaker 1: little things that count. You know. They all had up,
Speaker 1: you know, And Brian, you can add the Alpaccino speech
Speaker 1: from from any given Sunday there, that matchup is interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how you know, the how
Speaker 1: the coaches go after it in terms of, like you know,
Speaker 1: the overall strategy and in dealing with each other's offensive threats.
Speaker 1: Really like looking at the Warriors, part of me see,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. When I look at this series,
Speaker 1: so many things I thought were going to happen have
Speaker 1: not happened. So at this point I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: outcome is just sort of like, well, I think the
Speaker 1: universe is telling me I'm I don't know anything. And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, my fear I don't And this
Speaker 1: is just my fear as I predict what could happen
Speaker 1: here is that I see I see a reality where
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics very much winness and that and that
Speaker 1: freaks me out. That freaks and I'm being honest listeners,
Speaker 1: that freaks me out. That freaks me out. It freaks
Speaker 1: me out too, because I would much to do the
Speaker 1: opposite of winners thing how much rather than see them
Speaker 1: lose this thing and uh, yes, he loses. The losing
Speaker 1: is that one team is gonna win, and I think
Speaker 1: the team that wins the most games will be the
Speaker 1: winner of the series. And that's how many out of
Speaker 1: seven games you at least need to win four of them.
Speaker 1: The listeners write that down, you need to win four
Speaker 1: out of your seven games a little bit later now.
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that they have a huge chance
Speaker 1: at winning the series. I think it it hinges on
Speaker 1: a lot of little things. Uh. Now, where the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors do have the advantages. Of course, it's the
Speaker 1: best shooting team we've ever seen. Uh and uh. I.
Speaker 1: I do think Steph is going to be the best
Speaker 1: player on the court for both teams. I think that's
Speaker 1: so that's beneficial. Draymond's gotta keep it. He gotta keep it,
Speaker 1: he gotta stay in the game. You think he's very important.
Speaker 1: But however, I think they're gonna need some Kevon Looney's
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep playing well. He's been playing well.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to keep playing well because they're gonna
Speaker 1: need his size against Horford and Rob Williams. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. It's it's just it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a real tough matchup. I think I think it goes
Speaker 1: to six or seven. I don't like people are like
Speaker 1: Golden States heavily favorite. I don't know why they would
Speaker 1: say that their heavily favorite. Look at what Boston has
Speaker 1: done against every team, every team in this like it
Speaker 1: was Miami was probably the worst team that they played,
Speaker 1: and they were the number one he needs. Like when
Speaker 1: you think about, you know, they sweep Kyrie and Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: two generational talents. They beat the crap out of Nice.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hope that dude. That dude probably
Speaker 1: still sit in the ice bath, and they were they
Speaker 1: were injured and their offensive efficiency was awful, abysmal when
Speaker 1: he was off the court. But I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know why people are like, oh, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: cake walk for gold this day. Every time about some wins,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how are they not sweeping this series? Like
Speaker 1: when they have it going, they look so much better
Speaker 1: than whoever they're playing. And yeah, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: my preferred outcome, But I mean it makes sense to
Speaker 1: me that like Warriors of the Public team because they
Speaker 1: have the stars that people have seen win a championship
Speaker 1: before um and just like the more recognizable names. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not saying anything that like Zach
Speaker 1: Low hasn't said a hundred times or whatever advanced stats
Speaker 1: people's names are. I mean, one fact that I saw
Speaker 1: posts I think from the ESPN stats account was that
Speaker 1: this is the the that both teams in this finals
Speaker 1: uh their top three scorers this postseason were drafted by
Speaker 1: their respective teams. So Curry, Thompson, Pool and Tatum, Brown
Speaker 1: and Smart And the first time the top three postseason
Speaker 1: scores on each NBA Finals team debuted with their respective team.
Speaker 1: That was That's been since in the Bulls Jazz series.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you all this. Do you all
Speaker 1: think Minga is gonna see some good run in the final? Actually?
Speaker 1: One how idea? I mean, it's like, you know, because
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a close series and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be unpredictable. I could definitely see them wanting to
Speaker 1: use him to just like kind of keep Boston off
Speaker 1: balance right between him and Robert Williams. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's a good matchup. Yeah, that's cool. Though.
Speaker 1: The stat you were talking about, Miles was like, that's
Speaker 1: something that I feel like GMS are probably have been
Speaker 1: taken note of, is like, you know, keeping a cord
Speaker 1: together as opposed to like the era of you know,
Speaker 1: just stacking blue chip players and like everybody being focused
Speaker 1: on the off season more than like what would actually happens.
Speaker 1: It's like last year, you know, Janice uh stuck with
Speaker 1: Milwaukee won the chip and this year, whoever wins is
Speaker 1: going to be kind of the same, same lesson, Right, Um,
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe there's something to it. Yeah, keep your
Speaker 1: eyes peeled front offices of certain teams. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back, and we're back. Um.
Speaker 1: This is this is the part of the show, Carl
Speaker 1: where we like to ask our guests some things about
Speaker 1: their their relationship to a round ball, which is what
Speaker 1: I call basketball. When I'm hanging out with John Tesh.
Speaker 1: Me and John Tesh are close personal friends. It's the
Speaker 1: only reason the NBA would let me do this show.
Speaker 1: To check the voicemail, you were the one that that
Speaker 1: checks when he doesn't he doesn't add that when he's
Speaker 1: doing it live, he doesn't say. And then my boy
Speaker 1: Jack like check the voicemail, was like, Hey, I think
Speaker 1: you might want to listen to this again. Um wait, Jack,
Speaker 1: what's it say? It says something like okay, yeah, let me,
Speaker 1: have you ever played ball with John Tesh I guess
Speaker 1: that's my first question for you, because I have never
Speaker 1: played basketball with John Tesh. I've been trying every day,
Speaker 1: but like, man, let's get hold this ld Teshiling with
Speaker 1: this whole body with the ball out in front of him.
Speaker 1: He's got a very old school looking when when he's
Speaker 1: pretending to dribble the ball that we're all referring to do.
Speaker 1: Anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about should just
Speaker 1: go google John Tesh Round Ball, Rock, Roundball Rock Live. Yeah. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: first thing we like to ask everybody, craziest thing you've
Speaker 1: ever seen on a basketball court in person? Carl Tart
Speaker 1: like just wild, was like athletic move, just supernatural ability.
Speaker 1: I saw DeMar de Rosen catch two bodies at the
Speaker 1: same time at U c l A. You know, we
Speaker 1: were standing on the sideline being like, yeah, luckily we
Speaker 1: don't have next. It's just that, Yeah, when he was
Speaker 1: a senior in high school and we were all there playing,
Speaker 1: and you know, me and my friends like the wax
Speaker 1: nostalgic about those days. But there was three courts in
Speaker 1: the Wooden Center at U c l A. And we
Speaker 1: would call like the first court the D one court,
Speaker 1: the second court was the D two court, and the
Speaker 1: third court was just like a bunch of very smart kids,
Speaker 1: like kind of running like the nutrition with me. We
Speaker 1: we spent most of our time on the D two court,
Speaker 1: getting like medium runs in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that D one court at a certain point, you
Speaker 1: just went over there and watched because everybody was there.
Speaker 1: Everybody would be there, Like I remember seeing all the
Speaker 1: guys from the team come in. This is at the
Speaker 1: time my freshman yor high school of college is also,
Speaker 1: you know, like the years of of the Kevin Love,
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook years, Drew Holiday was around, Darren Collinson was around.
Speaker 1: They would all come in hoop with guys like Romeo.
Speaker 1: Little Romeo was out. Yeah, he got to run because
Speaker 1: he was Romeo. He was never definitely not at the
Speaker 1: caliber of those players, even though he did get a
Speaker 1: D one scholarship to sc Jabari calls Romeo to pride
Speaker 1: of s C. I see that, Uh but I uh
Speaker 1: and and to mar will be out there. Uh, some
Speaker 1: older NBA guys would be out there. Uh. Stephan Marberry's brother.
Speaker 1: He was always a person who would come out there
Speaker 1: and killing everybody. Uh, and those were just the fun
Speaker 1: days of hooping up there and you wanted to play,
Speaker 1: but it was like I can't, I shouldn't get out
Speaker 1: of here. But yeah, that's that's one off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. Like I literally saw him just like
Speaker 1: jump over two dudes that was trying to play. He
Speaker 1: was so athletic at that and it's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: got next. You're like, no, getting the car? What I
Speaker 1: tell you about coming around messing with these boys. I
Speaker 1: think also that you guys mentioned on your great basketball
Speaker 1: podcast of Flavoring Ones, which that that's one I've caught
Speaker 1: every episode of, and I think you guys talked at
Speaker 1: one point about how it would be uh interesting to
Speaker 1: add a regular person like what every team just has
Speaker 1: to have a regular person out there just too, so
Speaker 1: that we could see the different sale scale. Just see
Speaker 1: watching like a six ft one guy who like has
Speaker 1: some post game yeah, because he plays center and right
Speaker 1: exactly just getting getting absolutely demolished. Ye think about an NBA,
Speaker 1: but he's got to be the person who talks the
Speaker 1: most crap on on Twitter, right of course. I just
Speaker 1: like the idea to where it's like there's like there's
Speaker 1: a stretch of the game where the regular dudes have
Speaker 1: to come in, you know, like substitution for the Lakers
Speaker 1: number nineties seven. Rick. Yeah, just like only first name
Speaker 1: last like help group. He works on h v A
Speaker 1: C units and installations and thinks he's better than Steve Nash. Great,
Speaker 1: but JV team, it's his senior year. Did not make
Speaker 1: the varsity basketball team. Only made JV his senior year
Speaker 1: because his father was the health teacher. Oh no, okay,
Speaker 1: Luca may have blinded him with that dunk, hit him
Speaker 1: right in his eyes as it came through the bottom
Speaker 1: of the net. Hate, but yeah, I would say, off
Speaker 1: the top of off the top of my head, that
Speaker 1: was one of the craziest moments. Uh, give you a
Speaker 1: little history of myself. One of the craziest moments in
Speaker 1: in hindsight. M hmm, yours truly Lebron style blocking James
Speaker 1: Harden off the backboard six on a breakaway set up.
Speaker 1: Set this up, Carl. Uh, it's the Orange County Classic. Uh,
Speaker 1: Hamiltons High School versus RTIs High School. These guys at
Speaker 1: this time got three of the top players in California.
Speaker 1: One guy named Raynardo Sydney. He was a six ft
Speaker 1: ten shooter, big guy, hard to guard. He was one
Speaker 1: of the top guys in the state. Another guy named
Speaker 1: Malik Story. I think he went on to play Indiana
Speaker 1: for a while but kind of petered out there. And
Speaker 1: James Harden, who you know in high school, you everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of like at a similar level, you know, if
Speaker 1: you playing varsity basketball. So I'm like, I'm guarding this dude,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, he's not like murder, He's not
Speaker 1: putting up a hundred points on me and nothing like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm coming in and he kind of shakes me
Speaker 1: and then goes up with like a soft layup and
Speaker 1: I just kind of bow and I'm talking. I'm talking cash.
Speaker 1: You know, that's top ten, top ten. Anyway, he comes back.
Speaker 1: Let's just say he catches the body and that body's
Speaker 1: name was called Tard. He got me good. He got
Speaker 1: me good. Yeah, so what like what he he just
Speaker 1: went up for it. You said, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: try because at that you know this before social media,
Speaker 1: this tape will never be found unless you go like
Speaker 1: to the film room at Artisia High School something maybe,
Speaker 1: but like, uh, they this tape will never be found.
Speaker 1: So this is before a social media era where everybody's
Speaker 1: like running from the getting dunked on. It's only you
Speaker 1: only got to do with the embarrassment of the immediate
Speaker 1: crowd teammates. Never exactly, but he also went on to
Speaker 1: be well, James Hart, so like, I'm cool with I'm
Speaker 1: cool with that. Uh and uh yeah he got me
Speaker 1: good because I got two cocky after blocking him, after
Speaker 1: blocking his layup, because he was like like two inches
Speaker 1: taller than me, so we were virtually standing at the
Speaker 1: same you know, length, and like, yeah, oh well, you know,
Speaker 1: at least look that's that's a moment that at least
Speaker 1: you can remember. It's whild Like, I was just looking
Speaker 1: up Artiager High School. There's a Google review for Artiager
Speaker 1: High School, and one of the Google reviews four stars.
Speaker 1: But the review is James Harden a dog bro Like alright,
Speaker 1: So we wanted to play this clip from a podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm actually just gonna read the quote, but it's Germaine
Speaker 1: O'Neill talking about why he eventually left Miami was not
Speaker 1: the reason I was expecting. He said, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with Miami. They wanted me to resign. I knew that
Speaker 1: braun and then was coming. And this is the reallest
Speaker 1: thing I could tell you all. You know, they got
Speaker 1: that eight percent body fat. That ship is serious for
Speaker 1: a big guy that's heavy lifting, referring to like the
Speaker 1: Miami mentality where they they demand everybody getting really good shape.
Speaker 1: Then he says, I remember going into the pantry at
Speaker 1: night looking at the oreos, the oreos looking at me,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't bro. I am in a full battle
Speaker 1: daily on what I ate and I was like, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty plus years old. I can't go through this.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm too old to be having
Speaker 1: a debate whether or I want to have an oreo
Speaker 1: or not. I can't do that ship. So that's why
Speaker 1: I left Miami. Oh, I could relate, relate because it
Speaker 1: was recently that I learned that two oreos are like
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty calories. Like the serving sizes too,
Speaker 1: and that goes up. If you're getting double stuff to
Speaker 1: make a stuff or whatever, the serving sizes too, you
Speaker 1: should be having two cookies. You should be sitting there
Speaker 1: if you want a nice if you want to eat moderation,
Speaker 1: have a nice treat plate. Two oreos. You sit down
Speaker 1: on the couch and you have your tea and you
Speaker 1: eat your two like I eat sleeves of Yes, oh
Speaker 1: they might go stale if I don't eat. If I
Speaker 1: can't steal this bag, I take mag oreos, I take
Speaker 1: the one side off one of them and put it together.
Speaker 1: So there's three cookies to stuff things. And that's my
Speaker 1: ideal amount. And this, come on, you just believe I'm
Speaker 1: doing it with whole milk straight you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing get straight shot, just chugging heavy whipping cream.
Speaker 1: You know what time it is. I think about that
Speaker 1: now what basically what he was. When I first heard
Speaker 1: that clip, I was like, I relate to this so much,
Speaker 1: even now in a world where I don't have to
Speaker 1: have apricent body fat to be in my career, uh
Speaker 1: less than a percent body fat. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: that's got to be extremely hard because I'm the type person.
Speaker 1: Like right before we got on to record, I went
Speaker 1: to the gym and I'm like, I'm doing this. I'm
Speaker 1: putting in this, this heavy lifting. I'm doing these five
Speaker 1: by five and I'm on this peloton so I can
Speaker 1: eat that sleeping Boreo, I can maintain us a healthy balance,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: how they I don't know. I totally relate to him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, especially at that point, he's probably like, man, basketball,
Speaker 1: I'm about done right. If you have if there was
Speaker 1: a food you struggle with, Carl, what would it? What's
Speaker 1: your oreoles? Crispy cream doing that's just a regular yeah,
Speaker 1: when they're hot and fresh, come. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything better tasting. But also for me, it's just like
Speaker 1: late night eat Like I like, late night eating is bad.
Speaker 1: Also like just snacking, Like imagine that. Imagine going to
Speaker 1: see your pantry and you're seeing a bunch of marrow
Speaker 1: chon cup of noodles. You can't no not doing that.
Speaker 1: You put it, you put an egg in that, and
Speaker 1: it becomes the health food. Exactly my thing I think
Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, Jabari put the question, what would be
Speaker 1: our Achilles heal if we were professional athletes? I think
Speaker 1: mine would be like mountain dew. And like other sweet beverages, soda.
Speaker 1: Soda is killing me too, it is. There's nothing more
Speaker 1: refreshing after a night of heavy drinking cold Coca cola
Speaker 1: and all of his glory. R. Yeah. For me, it
Speaker 1: would probably be like Curn's nectar juice, which is just
Speaker 1: pure sugar. Oh yeah, you know I was getting in
Speaker 1: the can, kay Jack, Come on now for the West Coasters,
Speaker 1: I hear that can Current's nectar and mashed potatoes with
Speaker 1: like a ton of butter. Like I can of all
Speaker 1: the dishes I have trouble not eating. Like if if
Speaker 1: I see like something that looks good as a mashed
Speaker 1: potato and the rest, I'm like, let me also get
Speaker 1: aside of those. Man. Yeah, because now let me ask
Speaker 1: you if you like your mash potatoes chunky. You're like,
Speaker 1: I like, I can eat smooth, I can chunky with
Speaker 1: the skin parsley in there, whatever, love, But I love
Speaker 1: a chunky I love a couple of pieces of whole potato.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, especially when it's like cooked rather Sometimes someone
Speaker 1: will rush and you're like, you're like, was there an
Speaker 1: apple in there and potato? Yeah? Not not that. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back with
Speaker 1: our rapid fire round the questions for our guest, Carl Tark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're back to close out the show. Carl, we
Speaker 1: gotta hit you some rapid fire questions. Do not think,
Speaker 1: just respond and we will move to the next question
Speaker 1: so we can get We will be judging here we
Speaker 1: go start the clock now, t don't What is the
Speaker 1: greatest finals matchup ever? Warriors Cleveland two? Okay, yep, favorite
Speaker 1: finals moment ever? The block, the Lebron block, the tart
Speaker 1: On hardened block, and the tart On Harden block. When
Speaker 1: he stole from me started from me, he saw me
Speaker 1: doing high school, Carl tart what is your ultimate finals matchup?
Speaker 1: As in, you could take the oh one Lakers versus
Speaker 1: ninety six Bulls or maybe the seen Warriors versus the
Speaker 1: eight six Celtics. What's the ultimate finals matchup you'd like
Speaker 1: to see. I'd like to see the two thousand sixteen
Speaker 1: Cavalier Years versus the ninety one Bulls. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: You can pick any song as your in arena music
Speaker 1: after you make a three. What's your song? Uh? The
Speaker 1: Country rap King by Michal Night goes. I'm a chain smoking,
Speaker 1: whiskey drinking son of if you want to go with
Speaker 1: that's also my walk up music in baseball? Uh? And Carlo,
Speaker 1: you can get any basketball shoe ever? Okay? What are
Speaker 1: your top two or three? Are the best basketball shoes
Speaker 1: I played in? Are the Lebron six team And remember
Speaker 1: the two thousand seven shocks with the with the strap.
Speaker 1: You remember those? Which one did they have? They were
Speaker 1: the east Bay shoe and when you got east Bay
Speaker 1: they had them in every single color. Oh wait, the
Speaker 1: elite to let me see that had like the like
Speaker 1: an air Force one, like mid strap up there by
Speaker 1: the ankles. Yeah, yeah, we're superior. So they have the
Speaker 1: little springs in the in the hill. Areaw thousand five
Speaker 1: Nike Shocks Elevate? That was another good one. Oh yes, alright,
Speaker 1: greatest clipper of all time? You said, don't think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my favorite shan living just because
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. Okay, but you know Leonard
Speaker 1: of course. Okay. Uh if you could go back and
Speaker 1: pick any final series game to watch in person from
Speaker 1: history that you could say, I was there, Here is
Speaker 1: my ticket stub. What is that series you want to
Speaker 1: go see? Or game? Not very not very creative, but
Speaker 1: I still gotta go with that with that Game seven,
Speaker 1: like with the block, Like I imagine what it was
Speaker 1: like to feel that room of brand new Warriors fans defeated,
Speaker 1: just defeated. You're more excited for next season with the
Speaker 1: Clippers or what the Pelicans can do, because I know
Speaker 1: you you had a rooting interest in both teams. But
Speaker 1: those are both teams that I feel like next year,
Speaker 1: everybody's got their eye on them as like they could
Speaker 1: be the Griz the Warriors of next year. They were
Speaker 1: very fun to watch this year. I was at the game,
Speaker 1: at the playing game where the Clippers lost to the Pelicans.
Speaker 1: So it's not bad for me either way. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is kind of because I've been a Clipper fan
Speaker 1: along and I was a Pelicans fan they were. I
Speaker 1: was out here before the Pelicans moved for the listener.
Speaker 1: I'm originally from Mississippi born, came out the womb, a
Speaker 1: diehard Saints fan who that nation black and go till
Speaker 1: I'm dead and co that's NFL when I had to
Speaker 1: talk about that. However, I moved to Los Angeles, became
Speaker 1: a Clipper fand the Hornets moved to New Orleans in
Speaker 1: two thousand two. I kind of supported them, but they're
Speaker 1: definitely my second team. I got gear, I got hoodies,
Speaker 1: I got right right out. I've never seen a like
Speaker 1: offseason thing where they were just like he's been cleared
Speaker 1: to play, you know, but I think that's excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this past week they were like, Zion is cleared and
Speaker 1: ready to play, even though we're like months away. I
Speaker 1: think people are just so excited, you know, to see
Speaker 1: him on a team that was already kind of putting
Speaker 1: some interesting looks together. Absolutely, Carl Tart truly a pleasure. Uh,
Speaker 1: one of the best, one of the best in the biz.
Speaker 1: Um Where can people find you? Follow you here? You
Speaker 1: see you all that good stuff. You can follow me
Speaker 1: on Instagram at dammit called d A M M I
Speaker 1: T C A r L. You can watch my show
Speaker 1: Grand Crew all the episodes streaming now on Peacock or
Speaker 1: Hulu wherever you watch NBC shows. You can also see
Speaker 1: the season two of Grand Crew coming out on NBC
Speaker 1: sometime either late this year or early next year, but
Speaker 1: don't forget about it. It'll be there. And you can
Speaker 1: listen to me on the Flavoring Ones, which is another
Speaker 1: basketball podcast that's on the Patreon dot com slash Flagoring Ones,
Speaker 1: or My Gossip Girl rewatch podcast, My Good Buddy Lamar
Speaker 1: Woods excellent of gossip Kings want to help that work.
Speaker 1: Finding wherever you get your podcasts there it is all right, folks.
Speaker 1: Well we got game one of the finals. Uh man
Speaker 1: about to start at any moment, depending on when you're
Speaker 1: listening to this, as it is coming out the day
Speaker 1: of game one, so you know it after game one though,
Speaker 1: don't listen to it it immediately it goes bad. So
Speaker 1: I guess we should have told you that up top.
Speaker 1: Sorry if you did. Anyway, Uh, take care and we'll
Speaker 1: see you next week. To keep on talking to basketball
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