Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two thirty seven,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Dirt at Least Like Guys, production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Tuesday, May,
Speaker 1: which of course means it's National Cherry Cobbler Day and
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Speaker 1: day that you like, get your tassel right in preparation
Speaker 1: for I don't know, when you get your tassels out
Speaker 1: and you kind of look back and you're like, I
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Speaker 1: on too, like probably me. I can't tell you where
Speaker 1: then any of mine are. Yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 1: threw mine up and that was a probably in a
Speaker 1: box at my mom's house. Yeah, I have it because
Speaker 1: my mom sent it to me and it remains in
Speaker 1: a closet and it's like so big that like the
Speaker 1: closet door can never close around it. The big one,
Speaker 1: the big Oh yeah, we want big, we went big.
Speaker 1: I want that. I told I told my mom when
Speaker 1: I graduated. He's like, okay, you're gonna get the diploma
Speaker 1: like they're trying to charge me fucking money. Fuck that.
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Speaker 1: to be joined by a brilliant poet, political activist, academic
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Speaker 1: with prop on Cool Zone Media. Please welcome the brilliant
Speaker 1: and talented Jason Petty a K Propaganda. What what out?
Speaker 1: West west west west west west west coast? Yeah, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: m hmm, what's new? What's new? Hey? Man? Not changed,
Speaker 1: but the weather, you know what I'm saying. Like the
Speaker 1: old folks would be like, hey, you know what I'm saying, saying,
Speaker 1: ship dip day little exactly exactly, take something real, some
Speaker 1: sort of some sort of caker play. Wouldn't do nothing anyway.
Speaker 1: So you're you're in uh Atlanta, Georgia. Can you are
Speaker 1: you able to tell people that that you're through out there? Yeah? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm some of y'all may know. I'm avid coffee enthusiast
Speaker 1: enthusiast enthusiasts. I like coffee and just working on a
Speaker 1: couple of projects. Last year. We did a idea like
Speaker 1: a a collab drop you know, with a roaster call Onyx,
Speaker 1: a little small, a lot things. So now I got
Speaker 1: this other partner I'm working without in Atlanta out here.
Speaker 1: So I was doing what's called a cupping, which is
Speaker 1: just basically like you've every went in like a wine
Speaker 1: tasting like that for coffee. Oh yeah, you spit it out,
Speaker 1: you do, because it's a lot of coffee, Like you
Speaker 1: should definitely spit it out because wait, so what a cupping?
Speaker 1: How many like how many coffees are you trying in
Speaker 1: the city? Okay, So usually it depends on how big
Speaker 1: the cupping is. But like usually there's you try to
Speaker 1: go clockwise, so there's four per round per round. Yes, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's getting That's why I was like, yeah, spit it
Speaker 1: out and first you like you grind it, you smell
Speaker 1: it dry, you know, and then you're writing, you know,
Speaker 1: when you buy a bag of coffee, as all those
Speaker 1: flavor notes written on there. Yeah, so this is where
Speaker 1: those come from. And then there's a number. There's actually
Speaker 1: like a at out sounds like I'm deep in the
Speaker 1: hole here, but it's sound. There's a an actual like
Speaker 1: agreed upon like standardized number of ratings for like a
Speaker 1: quality of coffee. For something to be considered like specialty coffee,
Speaker 1: it's got to be like an eighty an eighty or above.
Speaker 1: It's on a scale of like one to a hundred.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're gonna do like the specialty
Speaker 1: like coffee shop coffee, not like the like you know,
Speaker 1: jab a chip, you know, the those are that's more
Speaker 1: like second wave Usually those are like those are more
Speaker 1: rated in like either the high seventies or very low eighties.
Speaker 1: Did they ever just throw some folders in there to
Speaker 1: funk with you. Yeah, you're gonna catch it immediately, you
Speaker 1: know what what I'm saying. And what's funny about folders is
Speaker 1: like it's because by the time it got into the can,
Speaker 1: uh in that in the in the little plastic can
Speaker 1: that they air tight sealed. It's like that copies like
Speaker 1: a year old before they even got to the shelf,
Speaker 1: you know, saying yeah, yeah, so uh yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: folder score Like yeah, folders is like what's left on
Speaker 1: the table, We'll buy all of it. Oh, so it's
Speaker 1: the it's the shape, what's left broke, Yeah, after you
Speaker 1: broke the pound down whatever from the folders. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: top five percent, those like nineties and ninety five and
Speaker 1: like ninety eight rates. They don't even make it to America,
Speaker 1: like do buy Qatar? Like the Middle East buys all those.
Speaker 1: So we're not even getting the best coffee, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's really just like drugs were like no,
Speaker 1: you're not actually you're not even gets it gets stepped
Speaker 1: on its way here. Yeah, you don't even get that.
Speaker 1: They don't even show it to you, Like if you're
Speaker 1: an American buyer, like the farmer, not even gonna show
Speaker 1: it to you because like, I can't this, don't even
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Hey you can try folders though. Yo,
Speaker 1: we got the C minus grades. Yeah, all right. So
Speaker 1: I've been doing something lately. So for a while I
Speaker 1: switched off to and was doing some macha. Then I
Speaker 1: went down to Guatemala had to partake in the coffee there.
Speaker 1: Have not backed off of the coffee since then, but
Speaker 1: I have been putting half water half coffee in my
Speaker 1: cup in the morning, and I just want you to
Speaker 1: tell me how disgusting and stupid that is. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: there's a bell curve of I mean that sounds awful,
Speaker 1: but there is. There is there is a bell curve
Speaker 1: of Like like anything, It's like when you first discover it,
Speaker 1: you're like a new Christian about it, you know, so
Speaker 1: you're like evangelizing with everybody, and then you hit like
Speaker 1: a snob at t right, and then that's where everybody's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I that's everybody knows the coffee snob. But
Speaker 1: then you come down the other end of that to
Speaker 1: where you're just like, look, dude, you like what you like?
Speaker 1: You know now? And an Americano is that it's an
Speaker 1: espresso shot that you add water to you know. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: if you're just brewing a regular a drip cup of
Speaker 1: coffee and then adding water, I'm like hot water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's probably a better way to do this, but but uh,
Speaker 1: but if that's how you like it, that's your cup.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure by you know, Michelin star chefs will
Speaker 1: still go to like Finway Park and get a hot dog,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, I love it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, but I am, I am
Speaker 1: almost You've almost given me a new assignment to pull
Speaker 1: up on you and be like, okay, let me make
Speaker 1: this cup for you. Yeah, because what you're just because
Speaker 1: you want less caffeine, right, is that the idea? You
Speaker 1: just want less caffeine. And I'm just I'm drinking it
Speaker 1: black in the mornings. I like, I've I've moved off
Speaker 1: of my coffee mate days, which I realized was killing me,
Speaker 1: probably faster than I anticipated. And so now now I'm
Speaker 1: doing black coffee. But black coffee, if you drink too
Speaker 1: much of it gives you a little like you know,
Speaker 1: you can get sores in your mouth if you're if
Speaker 1: it's too strong, if it's that starbust stuff. So just
Speaker 1: trying to keep it real, and I just like it
Speaker 1: better to like have it be kind of a little smoother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the thing is like, yeah, I mean, we're way
Speaker 1: off the rails here. But like that's like because I'm
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I could, I could spend a
Speaker 1: whole hour talking about this stuff. But like I think
Speaker 1: that there's I mean, first of all, like I'm I'm,
Speaker 1: I know y'all got doctors in the building, so let
Speaker 1: me be careful when I say this. But like deluting
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't remove the caffeine. You're still drinking the
Speaker 1: same amount of caffeine, you know, as long as you
Speaker 1: know that what I'm saying. But I will say, there's
Speaker 1: there's a different ratio where you can brew it to
Speaker 1: the to the delution that you like, to the parts
Speaker 1: per you know it parts per centimeter. I don't know
Speaker 1: that you like that's not you just brewing a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee and adding water to it. Like there's a
Speaker 1: way that we can make your racio's to be exactly
Speaker 1: what it is, so that way, like you're still not
Speaker 1: so you're so like now I'm like, but you need
Speaker 1: to taste the be like like you know, now you're
Speaker 1: not tasting it, you know what I'm saying. And I'll
Speaker 1: bet you, like if it's the main right, you could
Speaker 1: be tasting it. You mean to be fair, My my
Speaker 1: coffee might have been too strong in the first place,
Speaker 1: Like my teeth would be black when I joined the call,
Speaker 1: like just completely black. And like one time I spilled
Speaker 1: a little bit on the table and it melted through
Speaker 1: it like alien blood, So it might have been It's
Speaker 1: clearly a user error there. Yeah, it sounds like proper.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we are telling our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of things we're talking about today. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the racist terror attack that happened in Buffalo, replacement theory,
Speaker 1: just racist Republican rhetoric in general. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about law and order, tackling Havana syndrome for about you,
Speaker 1: I'm like, And then we're gonna talk about order upholding. Uh.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna talk about the show on order Dick
Speaker 1: Wolf stuff. Yeah, the Dick Wolf, the Dick Wolf, the
Speaker 1: wolf so much, so much changes when you just change
Speaker 1: the emphasis all the plenty more. But first problem we
Speaker 1: do like to ask Eric, guess, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history the scientific word for your Adam's apple?
Speaker 1: Oh h, larynx exactly, but there's a it's like the
Speaker 1: Lara nectreal protrusion. Oh, because so larynx. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: right here, okay, yeah, so my wife and I now this,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a recurring thing one she's
Speaker 1: she is if we all know, the type of personality
Speaker 1: that you can't say nothing without them immediately googling it
Speaker 1: because they just never believe no one's an expert, Like,
Speaker 1: no one's an expert. So she's already that and it's
Speaker 1: and it's there for her to feel like that because
Speaker 1: she actually is. She's a pH d in aadpaulse. She's
Speaker 1: actually an expert, you know what I mean, in her field.
Speaker 1: So but since but she'll ask me a question, and
Speaker 1: I am a wealth of like I'm basically like, I'm
Speaker 1: not a pro in anything, but I'm a d one
Speaker 1: athlete in everything. So like, so I know these pieces
Speaker 1: of information that just like I shouldn't know this, but
Speaker 1: I do, you know what I mean? So when she
Speaker 1: was like, hey, what's the scientific term you know for
Speaker 1: the Adam's apple, I was like, it's your voice box.
Speaker 1: She was like, what's the scientific term. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's the larry X. She was like, but girls have them.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, because it's your voice box, that's
Speaker 1: the name of the thing. Are is just protrude. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: what's the name of the protruding thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's the laryn x. So I was like, it's still
Speaker 1: a larrann x. It just sticks out. She was like,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm asking. So I had to google.
Speaker 1: So I had to google it and I was like,
Speaker 1: see larryn X. She said, Nope, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: derivative of the term larry X. Laryngeal. Yes, that's it,
Speaker 1: the laryngeo prominence. I was like, you see that the
Speaker 1: root word is laryn x. He was like, you, Jason,
Speaker 1: You're just not right. It's like you're like, but it
Speaker 1: comes from Larynxville. We all know, like it's yeah, so
Speaker 1: like but they from yeah, from larynx Ville. Look at
Speaker 1: look at the flag is fine out his pockets. You
Speaker 1: know it's from that part in this from the Larry
Speaker 1: from m larious. I hope to one day in my
Speaker 1: career achieve laryngeal prominence, right, who do you think? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who has the most famous? Who? Actually, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: say laryngeal prominence, is there anyone we point to as
Speaker 1: got the most famous Adams Who's got the most Do
Speaker 1: you even think about that? I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think Tyler the Creator has a pretty big Adams apple. Okay,
Speaker 1: celebs who who won many hearts with eye catching Adams
Speaker 1: apples is a fucking oh wow. This is all K
Speaker 1: pop though, this is like all a different case. This
Speaker 1: is just basically a list of different K pop dues. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I guess so people they like the prominence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to prominence. I'm trying. Like the John John
Speaker 1: Hawks strikes me as somebody who has like the type
Speaker 1: to have a very laryngeal prominence, a very prominent prominence happening,
Speaker 1: you know, like that, like real prominent dude. Yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have one. I don't think. Oh like
Speaker 1: DJ Quals remember DJ Quals from DJ Ribs who I
Speaker 1: was thinking of what I couldn't come up with? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that actor DJ Quals Because you said the Thinness and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait now I'm putting visuals together and
Speaker 1: I'm like DJ quals, although I'm not really does he
Speaker 1: gotta Yeah, it's all right, kind of prominent, you know.
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it was definitely like a
Speaker 1: sign of as a child, like I thought that was
Speaker 1: a sign of like manhood. Oh yeah, I got Whenever
Speaker 1: I got it, I was like, I'm a man. I'm here.
Speaker 1: It's about how you ascribe those things, just like man,
Speaker 1: I hope my throat has a big bulge in it
Speaker 1: so people normal man like what it's the same way
Speaker 1: I get this armpit hair, so they know what I'm
Speaker 1: a man. I got and a walnut in my neck,
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I can't still remember, like in middle school
Speaker 1: trying to like lead with that part of my neck
Speaker 1: to see get it popping out a little bit. And
Speaker 1: so you entered the room Adam's apple first, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried, like you know, puberty. Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: like me when I got the armpit hairris you guess
Speaker 1: who was rocket sleeveless tease that summer all the time,
Speaker 1: just like what's up y'all? Yeah? I got three I
Speaker 1: got hairs right there? You know what that is? You see?
Speaker 1: You see like my fresh you're in high school, and
Speaker 1: my other friends are like, what the what the funk
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Man? They're like, Chris got a beard,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck damn it. Yeah. I was definitely
Speaker 1: a very late bloom. I didn't get facial hair until college.
Speaker 1: Like I was super late. Man. I I'm almost forty
Speaker 1: and I barely have facial so I'm still waiting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my beard still don't connect. Yeah, same, same. What's something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? Proper Topa Chico mm hmmm hmm.
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, it's sparkling water yeah and Coca cola. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm like, I just I don't understand, and
Speaker 1: I feel like the like it felt to me just
Speaker 1: I just woke up one day and it was everybody's
Speaker 1: favorite drink. Yeah, you know. I felt like what it
Speaker 1: did was it gave people who were too like because
Speaker 1: Lacroix became too cool. They're like, no, I need something
Speaker 1: more like esoteric. Like I'm just not drinking canned saltzer
Speaker 1: like everybody else. Have you heard a Topo Chico. It
Speaker 1: comes from Mexico, It's in the glass bottle, and I'm
Speaker 1: like different, I'm like it's mouth. It's so carbonated. I'm like,
Speaker 1: when I feel like I didn't drink anything, I feel
Speaker 1: like I just I gulped air. I'm like, where's the liquid.
Speaker 1: It's like cotton candy. It just dissolved, the water dissolved mouth.
Speaker 1: It's not there anymore. I'm like, it's fine, Like I
Speaker 1: just feel like not that. I'm like, I know, I
Speaker 1: just spent the first twenty minutes of this going into
Speaker 1: deep nursery about coffee for me to come into this
Speaker 1: Seltzer water and be like, well it's Seltzer water. Like
Speaker 1: it's just I don't understand the gratings, like just it's
Speaker 1: like it's water with bubbles and then you throw some those.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I understand how that's the walking contradiction.
Speaker 1: I am for again talking so long about coffee, but
Speaker 1: I still feel like it's overrated. I'm like, it's why
Speaker 1: is this so much more special than anything else? It's right,
Speaker 1: it's the marketing, I think. I mean, and I feel
Speaker 1: like this is a very l a thing though too,
Speaker 1: like where oh like it's like it's almost like a
Speaker 1: class signifier now where people are like shipping cans is
Speaker 1: for the broke boys, like, yeah, we sipped the bottled
Speaker 1: Topo over here, and I'm like, okay, fine, Like it's
Speaker 1: all card like at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: all carbonated water. But yeah, like if you go to
Speaker 1: a restaurant, that's the only like you ask, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at the drink, but that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that gets to use its name brand because
Speaker 1: most time it's like, yeah, we got iced tea, we
Speaker 1: got lemonade, we got topachico, Like why does it get
Speaker 1: its own name? Like why do y'all what is those
Speaker 1: You could be like we got sparking the water, like
Speaker 1: you could say that because the branding, yes, you need
Speaker 1: to know. So it's the branding is the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it truly is. I mean it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you drink something because like look, Roix sounded better
Speaker 1: than you know, the Seltzer to what everyone was drinking
Speaker 1: at a certain point, but you know, Topo, we see you,
Speaker 1: they're out here. Yeah I would. The one interesting thing
Speaker 1: I've ever read about marketing was about the guy who
Speaker 1: like took Yeagermeister from being a like a parent chief
Speaker 1: thing that helped with digestion to being like a party
Speaker 1: keg frat house thing and then like with that capital
Speaker 1: he launched Greg Goose and it was it was interesting
Speaker 1: and like his thesis was just like what if we
Speaker 1: made it made a vodka that was forty five percent
Speaker 1: more expensive than every other vodka and we put a
Speaker 1: wine cork in it, and it was interesting for like
Speaker 1: how little there was there. It was just like this
Speaker 1: sense of this like ineffable thing and like how people
Speaker 1: would re a product. But like I feel like I
Speaker 1: want to I want somebody to write that article about
Speaker 1: how the Seltzer water like wars happen, like who's coming
Speaker 1: through and being like not Topa Chico is the next one,
Speaker 1: Lacroix bullshit, And then like everybody just follows it because
Speaker 1: there is probably like very little difference beyond the branding,
Speaker 1: but it's they're reading that. There's probably an interesting way
Speaker 1: to read read into that for sure, and I think
Speaker 1: that they're doing the same. It feels I think honestly,
Speaker 1: it's like what voss right, that's in a glass bottle,
Speaker 1: it's not from America, and suddenly it's like Premio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, what is something you think is
Speaker 1: underrated underrated. This was hard for me to come up with.
Speaker 1: But I I think I feel like we're not talking
Speaker 1: enough about the entire like catalog of like the Apple
Speaker 1: Plus shows. Mm hmm. I feel like they have not missed. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm late. I'm late, and I only just I
Speaker 1: started a preview of it to start watching Severance bro,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but I but every time I read,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm so inundated with new streaming announcements,
Speaker 1: I'm like another thing, and Apple Plus has another good one?
Speaker 1: Wait what else? So what else is? Yeah? So I've
Speaker 1: like I've neglected all the other streams and I'm letting
Speaker 1: those fill up because I'm so locked in on on
Speaker 1: the Apple ones, right, and I'm going back to like
Speaker 1: their first launch, they had a show called c with
Speaker 1: Jason Um Yeah yeah, and like just the whole concept
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, four years later in the future, like
Speaker 1: we've the genetic trait of seeing is now not around,
Speaker 1: you know, built an entire world where seeing feels like witchcraft,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And and just the world
Speaker 1: building in that show, it's it's it's all incredible. So
Speaker 1: they see Morning Show. Everybody's already raving about that that
Speaker 1: in one called Foundation that was like hella science fiction
Speaker 1: and multiversey and interplanetary, like they're just tapping every the
Speaker 1: It's severance is absurd. And then the m Night Shamalan series.
Speaker 1: Why am I blanking on the name of that? But
Speaker 1: I just finished it. Yeah, it's like, I'm like, they
Speaker 1: have not missed I'm it's the dock they did on
Speaker 1: They did a dock on Abraham Lincoln, which plot twist
Speaker 1: was actually about Frederick Douglas, and it was like, this
Speaker 1: is incredible, Like I'm they just haven't missed m okay,
Speaker 1: and it makes me so mad that nobody like, why
Speaker 1: are y'all not now you're not seeing any shows like
Speaker 1: this stuff is incredible. I'm barely seeing anything. We were
Speaker 1: talking about this last week. They're so so much shit
Speaker 1: out there. I actually don't even know where to start.
Speaker 1: And the thing I mentioned is it takes like four
Speaker 1: or five specific people all at once to say you
Speaker 1: need to watch this, and then I'm like, Okay, then
Speaker 1: it's good because I feel you lets like I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just like, like um resolved to just go at
Speaker 1: my own pace. I'm like, I am going to That's
Speaker 1: why I was like, I've neglected everybody else because I'm
Speaker 1: like I am they have they have yet to fail me.
Speaker 1: I've liked everything you put out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna ignore everybody until I'm done with
Speaker 1: these and then be like, oh, yeah, you said that
Speaker 1: was dumpe Okay, I'll check that out. But they're gonna wait.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You have been a pressure me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like a cheesecake factory menu, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's so fucking big. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: fucking I'm gonna just do the thing I always do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that shrimp alfredo dude. Yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh that looks good. Fu chicken littles, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let me get an extra corn cob, please please,
Speaker 1: an extra corn cob. I don't know anybody who's like
Speaker 1: committed to one of the streaming services, and like, maybe
Speaker 1: that's a good Maybe that's a good way to just
Speaker 1: cut down on the clutter. Just just single file line.
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, I'm gonna do this in a
Speaker 1: single file line. It's like it's not your turn. You know,
Speaker 1: I finished this Apple show, I'd be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: wonder if Amazon got something crack it, And you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to be on time discourse, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna watch. Yeah, I'm just a single file line. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so we got some more Ozark's all
Speaker 1: right when I'm done with this. Oh so you're actually
Speaker 1: line the way it looks like, it's like you can
Speaker 1: actually sort of visualize your own queue of like ships
Speaker 1: you're gonna watch. Where it's in my head all becomes nebulous.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking I ain't got time for that, And
Speaker 1: that just means I will never think about it again,
Speaker 1: whereas no, you're yeah, I need that. Yes, single file line,
Speaker 1: that's way I think about it. I think about that
Speaker 1: with music too. Single file line. Right. Oh wow, how
Speaker 1: how far behind are you? Well, I'm caught up. Now.
Speaker 1: There are people that get cut in front of the
Speaker 1: line passes, something like okay, hold on, the ratios are good.
Speaker 1: All right, you can come in like like like like Kendrick,
Speaker 1: we're got to cut in front of the line pass. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back and we're back and full disclosure. We were talking
Speaker 1: about the Kendrick album over the break. I think we're
Speaker 1: all on board. I'm taking it. Takes a little while.
Speaker 1: I get to after I drop the kids off, I
Speaker 1: get to like dig in. But they're they're still on there,
Speaker 1: uh you know, trying to think what what their favorite
Speaker 1: song is right now. But they're they're back to after
Speaker 1: having a brief day aliens with the new Push album,
Speaker 1: they're back to wanting to listen to just very basic
Speaker 1: pop music and that they're over. Yeah, yeah, ninja kids.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you don't have ninja kids in your house. No,
Speaker 1: we don't have ninja kids yet. Good yeah, thank god.
Speaker 1: So like his albums take me a long time. All
Speaker 1: albums take me a long time, but like I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm the first two songs are now like fully
Speaker 1: in my blood and are incredible. I feel like I
Speaker 1: can confidently said yeah, yeah, I I approach his work
Speaker 1: like well any mostly most hip hop stuff, but I
Speaker 1: approach his work from like three different positions. There's just
Speaker 1: me as a fan of hip hop, doesn't me as
Speaker 1: like an l A native also, and then there's me
Speaker 1: as a also a professional rapper. You know, so there's
Speaker 1: like so like you. For me, it's like I'll listen
Speaker 1: straight through top to bottom twice, you know, and then
Speaker 1: go back and be like all right to go one
Speaker 1: by one. So it takes me a while too, but
Speaker 1: like you know, and then there's the and it's something
Speaker 1: it's like it seems absurd, but like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're talking about one of the three most largest artists
Speaker 1: in the world, you know that you still have a
Speaker 1: competitive streak about like I probably would have done it
Speaker 1: like this. Ya say it, and it's absurd to say it,
Speaker 1: but it's like you're still the competitive part about you. Like,
Speaker 1: damn it, he said that way better than I would
Speaker 1: have a right, how does he do it? Damn it?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm taking I'm going to seminar with that
Speaker 1: cart tolling. Now it seems like that's the secret of
Speaker 1: the I mean, when I listen to that, I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you sound like me when I graduated college and I
Speaker 1: got the power of now for the first time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are y'all reading this ship? Yeah, that's you know what's funny.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because like I'm here at this record label,
Speaker 1: like we were all talking about the idea that like
Speaker 1: he he sounds thirty five, which is what is which
Speaker 1: is perfect. But it's like somebody who just discovered that
Speaker 1: you were full of ship. Yeah yeah, and we all
Speaker 1: remember the day we discovered we were full of ship,
Speaker 1: and like you said, were just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you need therapy. Hey guys, did you know you need
Speaker 1: a therapy? And we're like, yeah, we know. But it's
Speaker 1: cool to hear him, to hear him get to the
Speaker 1: moment to be like, yeah, man, you got a young brother.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We know, you know, right,
Speaker 1: what if that person who was saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you guys, we need therapy was a once in a
Speaker 1: generation genius, Yeah, then it's that yeah, yeah, yeah, whose
Speaker 1: creative abilities far surpasses any other human on the planet
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah yeah, alright, let's let's talk about you know,
Speaker 1: there was a terrorist attack mass murder in Buffalo over
Speaker 1: the weekend by a white supremacist who you know, the
Speaker 1: first thing they cited was also the same thing the
Speaker 1: first thing the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter cited also the first
Speaker 1: thing the l Paso Walmart shooter cited, which is, uh,
Speaker 1: this replacement theory, which is now like a we we
Speaker 1: have to have a name that sounds serious around this
Speaker 1: ship that is just straight up white supremacy. And wait,
Speaker 1: people are should be left to rule without any anybody around,
Speaker 1: like they should be protected by laws and if they're not,
Speaker 1: they're going to murder people essentially. Yeah. Yeah, it's I'm
Speaker 1: I'm curious so many things. I'm curious if the Democrats
Speaker 1: use this again, like another thing where they're like, well,
Speaker 1: at least we're not them and not offer any solution. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, or if we're going to see I mean,
Speaker 1: we've already seen conservatives double down there. There's some Republicans
Speaker 1: who are already saying things like this was a false
Speaker 1: flag event, you know, put together by you know who,
Speaker 1: George Soros type ship and continuing to try and you know,
Speaker 1: pretend that there is no there there. Um. But I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, as it stands, I'm like mmmmmmm um. Like
Speaker 1: I you know, Dick Durbin said, you know, like we
Speaker 1: need we need increased gun control, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. But are we I'm talking are we talking
Speaker 1: about the real engines that's driving this violence to like
Speaker 1: guns or guns make like the problem worse because that's
Speaker 1: the environment that these people are in where they have
Speaker 1: access to guns. But these people where they are turning
Speaker 1: is from their radicalization, whether that starts at home or
Speaker 1: online or whatever. But this is white supremacist terror, and
Speaker 1: I think the lone wolf ship I'm tired of hearing
Speaker 1: that there's like there's a total media, you know, ecosystem
Speaker 1: for these people to like learn from each other, get radicalized,
Speaker 1: shareship with each other. It's just a very I think
Speaker 1: Disingenue was like description of this problem that is just
Speaker 1: clean day. Yeah. I mean there's there's the like the
Speaker 1: the the parts of of the story that I've been
Speaker 1: like kind of avoiding for like my own rage in
Speaker 1: the sense of like yeah, yeah, like being being a
Speaker 1: violent like white man. Somehow it's there's a force field
Speaker 1: around your body, like you're just nothing can never happen
Speaker 1: to you. Like the idea that like this man, this
Speaker 1: man told Dana Nett what he was gonna do, wrote
Speaker 1: it down on the paper and then drew on his
Speaker 1: gun and then live stream the thing and somehow another
Speaker 1: there's still a question about this man's motives and the
Speaker 1: fact that he that he didn't get shot on site
Speaker 1: like this, like you you have a your you're a mutant,
Speaker 1: like you have a force field like that, Why are
Speaker 1: you not how are you able to actually be brought
Speaker 1: to justice? So I'm like avoiding that part because it's
Speaker 1: it's fresh trading, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: think you know the history of like what it meant,
Speaker 1: you know, all the way back to the sixes and seventies,
Speaker 1: of of this movement being like we're gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a leaderless movement, totally decentralized, like there's no main figure,
Speaker 1: so that as we enter, you know, act out these things,
Speaker 1: we all seem like lone wolves because you can't track
Speaker 1: how we've been talking to each other. The only problem
Speaker 1: is we could track how you've been talking to each other,
Speaker 1: and and that we know that this was your plan, right.
Speaker 1: Not only that, I'm like it the replacement theory stuff,
Speaker 1: Like the part that frustrates me about the media is like,
Speaker 1: is the idea that like y'all acting like this ship
Speaker 1: is new, like they haven't been telling us this is
Speaker 1: the way they felt for a long time, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that when people when the experts
Speaker 1: were ringing, the ringing the alarms way back in two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, two thousand fifteen, two thousand and six, and
Speaker 1: being like, hey, listen, we're not it for a civil war.
Speaker 1: Were already in one. They're at war, don't you understand?
Speaker 1: Like they're at they are believed they are at war.
Speaker 1: And this was just yeah, listen to how they talk.
Speaker 1: That's what you're trying to tell you. He's telling you
Speaker 1: he had war because you think you have a fear
Speaker 1: of becoming a minority. And it's like and you you're
Speaker 1: also revealing your cards, which we already know who you are,
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, what's so bad about being a minority. Well,
Speaker 1: it's because you're assuming that the majority is gonna treat
Speaker 1: you the way you treated minorities, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So like that's why you'll want to be one. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, like the why y'all acting like y'all
Speaker 1: know this is y're acting like y'all didn't know? Like
Speaker 1: how you acting like you so surprised about this, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's this thing of like never wanting to talk
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, it wasn't until the summer when
Speaker 1: the media was like quite supremacy, like out loud. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, that took decades to normalize the use
Speaker 1: of that term was always racially charged or all this
Speaker 1: euphemistic bullshit, and you know, now it's like we're we're
Speaker 1: another thing. They they were unable to the media is
Speaker 1: unable to say white supremacist terror. And if I'm them,
Speaker 1: and if I'm if I'm those dudes, I'm frustrated. I'm like, fam,
Speaker 1: we keep telling you where we stand, right, Like we're
Speaker 1: telling you exactly what we think. What is y'all's what
Speaker 1: is y'all's questions? Just what we're out here doing. I
Speaker 1: wrote it, a live streamed it. What is your question? Right?
Speaker 1: It's and that's I'm like, you know, that's I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see what happens with the tone of like talking
Speaker 1: about you know, Liz Cheney, right, who's a Republican who's
Speaker 1: been ousted by her party, but she decided to take
Speaker 1: the same approach, or at least the human one to
Speaker 1: be like, man, this is a real problem within the
Speaker 1: party has to be discussed, like this is there's too
Speaker 1: much anti semitism, anti black race, and just all kinds
Speaker 1: of seeing a phobia. It's bad. But I don't see
Speaker 1: Republicans haven't take any interest in this in trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, say, you know what, this is bad? This
Speaker 1: is this the rhetoric that comes out of people in
Speaker 1: the party here, from people on Fox News. It's contributing
Speaker 1: to this environment because the message that's being sent to
Speaker 1: white voters or white people who you know who are
Speaker 1: conservatives are hearing, Oh, you see whether the immigrants are coming.
Speaker 1: That's where the bus, where the baby formulas gone. That's
Speaker 1: why you don't have a job. That's why the factory
Speaker 1: shut down. It's that just feeding on itself. And there's
Speaker 1: something really interesting on MSNBC. There's this guy who was
Speaker 1: a Brendan Buck. He was an adviser to both speakers
Speaker 1: Ryan and Bayner, right GOP Speakers of the House, and
Speaker 1: he basically said, you know when he was asked like,
Speaker 1: you know, what's the what what's what do the Republicans
Speaker 1: have to do here? Like what do they need to
Speaker 1: do to start getting things together, to start cleaning up
Speaker 1: the house. And he said, it's kind of tough. And
Speaker 1: he said something that I don't think he realized how
Speaker 1: like honest it sounded. But he said, you know, Republicans,
Speaker 1: they don't want to go after anybody else except Republicans,
Speaker 1: and when you do that, you can't afford to lose
Speaker 1: the racist vote. You just can't. Oh you can't. And
Speaker 1: he said it in a way that was like pained
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I was like, that's all huh, Brendan
Speaker 1: Buck He's an advisor. He was an adviser to Speaker
Speaker 1: the House John Bayner and Tim Ryan. So Republicans speaks
Speaker 1: like that's whose office he was in. And he just said,
Speaker 1: that's the problem with the where the Republicans are going.
Speaker 1: They don't care about independence or trying to bring anybody
Speaker 1: else in. So all they have to do, and this
Speaker 1: is what we talked about, these have to double down
Speaker 1: on the racism because they cannot have that. That's money
Speaker 1: on the table to them, and because the policies are
Speaker 1: a certain way. That's why you always hear them having
Speaker 1: to mainstream this ship, like whether it's at least deponic
Speaker 1: who is a Member of the House from New York
Speaker 1: who on Friday was saying the same ship, great replacement
Speaker 1: theory type nonsense about they're just they're you know, it's there.
Speaker 1: They've got us silent revolution happening, Joe Biden, where all
Speaker 1: the immigrants are going to come in and that's who's
Speaker 1: going to be voting. That's what America is going to be.
Speaker 1: Without using the words, but you know that, like looking
Speaker 1: at all of that, it's very difficult, Like Republicans aren't
Speaker 1: going to touch it. And now at this point, I
Speaker 1: feel like the way the media should write about them
Speaker 1: be considering the rhetoric that comes out of there is like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a group that's you know that
Speaker 1: is a openly supports domestic terror. Yeah, there's nothing about
Speaker 1: what they're talking about from what I'm looking from congress
Speaker 1: people or senators or state senators or local legislators. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're saying straight up neo Nazi bullshit. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, there's a part that's like visceral to
Speaker 1: me in being like, you know, we're Callie kids. So
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't come from like a Jim Crow state.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not from the Deep South of the
Speaker 1: way that the type of racism I experienced throughout my
Speaker 1: upbringing was not like something in that sort of world. Right, So,
Speaker 1: so the part that you're bringing up about the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is the part that like it's just is like
Speaker 1: the trauma inducing like triggering thing for me, because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you like I got I
Speaker 1: got busted out to a suburban school. So when I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know this little kid, I know, I know what
Speaker 1: this boy is saying. You know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: everybody else who is a person of color know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're saying, but you're not saying it, and they
Speaker 1: could always fall back and be like, dude, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Man? Like I didn't even say that
Speaker 1: that that's not fair. I didn't even know. I didn't
Speaker 1: say that, you know what I'm saying. And if I'm
Speaker 1: trying to go to an authority figure again, I'm in
Speaker 1: I'm in the burbs. Like even if I try to
Speaker 1: go to an authority figure, I look like I'm the
Speaker 1: crazy one. It's like, you know, listen, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you guys need to work this out. You know, he
Speaker 1: didn't say that. You know, that's how what he said.
Speaker 1: You're putting words in his mouth. And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the you like? You really like so I'm stupid. Like
Speaker 1: it's like and I just remember feeling like I'm so
Speaker 1: you're treating me like I'm stupid. I flashed back to
Speaker 1: the remember the right to life movement with that little
Speaker 1: boy was like kind of grilling that Native American guy.
Speaker 1: You guys remember that, Yeah, and how the It's It's
Speaker 1: the part that's frustrating me the most is like the
Speaker 1: ambiguity of his grin in the sense that like I
Speaker 1: was like, I know that smirk to where it's like
Speaker 1: you can't really say I did anything because I was
Speaker 1: just standing here. I was just standing here smiling. What
Speaker 1: do you mean I was being respectful the guy was talking.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. I just smiled, you know, And like,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, you're you're right, I can't. But I'm
Speaker 1: so frustrated because we all know what you're doing, you know,
Speaker 1: And so to me, it's like that's what frustrates me
Speaker 1: about the Fox News about about the Republican Party right now.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you you're gonna sit across and say,
Speaker 1: but act like you don't know what you're doing that
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, well, of course, we don't condone
Speaker 1: a Matt shooting. What are you talking? See, that's why
Speaker 1: we can't talk to you liberals, because you're always gonna
Speaker 1: call us, you know, say that we're this this is
Speaker 1: but nobody ever said that. You know. It's like okay, man,
Speaker 1: yeah you did. You did say it, and we all
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. It's that it's the it's because
Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're acknowledging white supremacy in your
Speaker 1: face without without having to use the words. That's what
Speaker 1: that smile is that says you know what time it is? Yes,
Speaker 1: like I can smile and guess what. You don't like this,
Speaker 1: do you? And you know why? Because because we know,
Speaker 1: we know the history of this place. That's why. And
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of this is. It's it's just
Speaker 1: winking at it because people do know. But sometimes it's
Speaker 1: it's just dog whistled enough to not fully get people
Speaker 1: to be like, wait is this racism? Or you be
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's right, that thing that I feel good
Speaker 1: about again, like what is that thing I can't quite
Speaker 1: put my finger on? And that's what they're doing. But
Speaker 1: increasingly more aggressive ways and rhetorically more violent ways, which
Speaker 1: is your only seeing this It only begin continue to
Speaker 1: manifest into physical space. Yea, The just broader context, because
Speaker 1: so the New York Times wrote this thing, wrote this
Speaker 1: piece about the idea of replacement theory that made it
Speaker 1: seem like kind of a new thing, like you were
Speaker 1: saying prop and but they talk about it, you know,
Speaker 1: tracing it back to like the tiki torches. So like
Speaker 1: we go from the tiki torches, which people were laughing
Speaker 1: out at the time and them saying like you will
Speaker 1: not replace us, Jews will not replace us, and like
Speaker 1: that was this you know, staggering kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't know, people people were laughing at the time. Now
Speaker 1: we have replacement theory, which they make it sound like
Speaker 1: it's like a fucking college course, you know. You Now
Speaker 1: somebody can say they can't afford to lose the racist vote,
Speaker 1: and I can't picture their career like being damaged badly
Speaker 1: from saying that, like in the modern because he works
Speaker 1: for conservatives, he's right, he's not trying to get a
Speaker 1: job with you know, with AOC or some ship, and
Speaker 1: it works in that group of people, and they're like
Speaker 1: he's smart, you know, and like that's what it is,
Speaker 1: Like he's smart. He's smart enough to know what the
Speaker 1: dynamics are here this party stands for this. Unfortunately, part
Speaker 1: of that coalition are racists or maybe fortunately whatever maybe
Speaker 1: outward he says, unfortunately, but still we gotta cord him,
Speaker 1: because that's the thing. But there's this paragraph of those
Speaker 1: New York Times piece that basically just like runs through
Speaker 1: the Democrats, like Bona fides on being tough on immigration,
Speaker 1: that it feels like it's structured to be like a
Speaker 1: counter to the talking points and like the supposed like
Speaker 1: replacement theory, but it's like drenched in white supremacy and
Speaker 1: like the ideals of white supremacy, Like they're like that,
Speaker 1: I'll just read it. Democratic politicians have generally been more
Speaker 1: supportive of immigration than Republicans, especially in the post Trump era,
Speaker 1: and have pushed for more humane treatment of migrants and refugees.
Speaker 1: But the number of immigrants living in the United States illegally,
Speaker 1: which rose throughout the nineties and auts first, began to
Speaker 1: decline under President Obama, a Democrat whom critics nicknamed the
Speaker 1: deporter in Chief. There's no evidence of widespread voting by
Speaker 1: non citizens and others who are ineligible, and while Mr
Speaker 1: Biden has laid out plans to expand legal immigration, federal
Speaker 1: agencies have expelled more than one point three million migrants
Speaker 1: at the Southwest border on his watch, while continuing some
Speaker 1: of the more restrictive immigration policies begun by former President Trump.
Speaker 1: So it's like they're they're like fact checking them with
Speaker 1: white supremacy. It feels like where like yeah and being
Speaker 1: like no, no, we're good, We're we're with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the problem. Why are you mad at him? He
Speaker 1: did the right He did the thing he's supposed to
Speaker 1: do to be you know about it. Yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: my wife again, who like works in like Latino spaces.
Speaker 1: She's always said that too. She's like, no, no, they know,
Speaker 1: we are deported at the same rate, no matter who
Speaker 1: in the office. You know, which is which is factual?
Speaker 1: You know. But it's crazy the way that, yeah, the
Speaker 1: way that they're kind of like playing that is almost
Speaker 1: like you're they're saying it like it's almost like the
Speaker 1: New York Times is saying it as if that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. Well yeah, but that's like what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Like, well, no, they they're getting rid of
Speaker 1: the brownies too, right, and that's who And I think
Speaker 1: that's what it is. It strikes you differently, Jack because
Speaker 1: you're not one of these people who's like, well, how
Speaker 1: racists are the Democrats? Yeah? And is that good enough?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, it's it's so revealing
Speaker 1: that that's the the like for them, the steaks are well,
Speaker 1: have they ticked to the racist enough box? Dude? The
Speaker 1: xenophobia quota? Have they reached that? If they have, then
Speaker 1: what's the problem. Why are you attacking them on that.
Speaker 1: We've agreed that we can do that. And you know,
Speaker 1: just again, completely terrible, terrible take to have going into
Speaker 1: a story like this when again every outside observer or
Speaker 1: anybody who studies, you know, these fringe movements are like
Speaker 1: civil war type things are just saying inequalities driving all this.
Speaker 1: You know that, right, Yeah, that's it. Inequalities. So that
Speaker 1: the reason people are like this because they're there their
Speaker 1: existence it feels so fraught. But again, because no one
Speaker 1: is actually doing a good job of informing people, it
Speaker 1: leaves a vacuum for people to fill it with all
Speaker 1: this hateful bullshit, and you have people convinced that that's
Speaker 1: the reason why, you know, the world is the way
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know how angry you'd be, you know,
Speaker 1: the granted there are people who are just violent, racist,
Speaker 1: but there are also people who are really stressed out,
Speaker 1: who have their backs against the wall financially and feel
Speaker 1: like they're in a place where everything's working against them.
Speaker 1: And someone offers you a tidy narrative as to what
Speaker 1: that is and it's not necessarily revolutionary thought, then yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be a better a better track for people.
Speaker 1: And that's what's that's what's so funked up, is that,
Speaker 1: like both sides aren't willing to tell people why the
Speaker 1: funk their lives are the way they are, and they
Speaker 1: can't and that's the problem, and that's why we're not
Speaker 1: getting done. Yeah, you can't, because then the solutions, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's like, well, we all understand crimes of survival,
Speaker 1: like you you right, we get those you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And in some ways, if that, if that
Speaker 1: that survival instinct is tied to a supremacist field, and
Speaker 1: then you already know what the answer is, I can't
Speaker 1: survive if there's too many of these people. I'm going
Speaker 1: to get rid of those people, sure, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that you you've now added like you're saying,
Speaker 1: you've added another en road to something that somebody would
Speaker 1: have thought was unthinkable, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'm kind of saying the same point. Like,
Speaker 1: but if you you cut this movement a lot of
Speaker 1: you you really slice the movement in pieces. If you
Speaker 1: remove the access and the disparages, Like once you remove
Speaker 1: that to where they're like, well, I'm actually living fine,
Speaker 1: So I don't I now see this fool's move as crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, now I can see like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's bonkers. Why would I want this? Yeah, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: kids in Beverly Hills aren't. They're not They're not throwing
Speaker 1: upsets because they don't need to the like. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the basic thing. You look at what happens,
Speaker 1: what inequality does to people, You have to look for
Speaker 1: secondary means of survival, and a lot of that is
Speaker 1: extra legal out of the time or whatever comes out
Speaker 1: in these other ways, you'd become hateful, you turn that
Speaker 1: hate outward or whatever. But it's it's just a really
Speaker 1: it's just a really difficult thing to grapple with because
Speaker 1: I think watching this black people in America are just
Speaker 1: looking at the over and over again, saying yeah, well
Speaker 1: ship man, they can do fucking anything all the time.
Speaker 1: They got a force field. They got there. They're like,
Speaker 1: you have a force field around your body, like you're yeah.
Speaker 1: I always described being like white in America is like
Speaker 1: having the star in Mario, because yes, you could fucking
Speaker 1: walk off the side. You ain't dying. You walk through ship.
Speaker 1: You're not they die. If anything, you don't have to
Speaker 1: do ship. You're that You're like omnipotent at a certain point.
Speaker 1: But all of this comes together in a really really
Speaker 1: unsettling way. And you know, you look at already the
Speaker 1: situation in Buffalo, that market because of it's now an
Speaker 1: active crime scene. Those people in that area they have
Speaker 1: to go miles away to try and find groceries now,
Speaker 1: because we're already talking about an area that are just
Speaker 1: not even that this is contributing to the shooting. But
Speaker 1: there are so many levels of inequality when you look
Speaker 1: at this problem. That's like just the place that it's in,
Speaker 1: the fact that Tops didn't even want to open a
Speaker 1: supermarket there because they're like, well, you know, demographically speaking,
Speaker 1: this might not be it. And and those are the
Speaker 1: neighborhoods where these terrorists are coming to to make them
Speaker 1: feel less safe, to make them feel that they there,
Speaker 1: they deserve less than has already been offered. And it's
Speaker 1: not just obviously my heart bleeds for the people of Buffalo,
Speaker 1: but all people who look at ship like this and
Speaker 1: feel not safe and feel like there's no protection, they
Speaker 1: feel like there's no solution. They feel like the people
Speaker 1: that they're said, hey, I'm gonna vote for you because
Speaker 1: this stuff's fucked up, and they don't do ship there,
Speaker 1: which was oddly enough, on MSNBC right before they had
Speaker 1: this roundtable discussion talking about this, they sent somebody to
Speaker 1: upstate New York to talk to some voters, and these
Speaker 1: black voters were all they said, oh no, they were
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. My bad, these black voters in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: They said, I don't know if I can even vote
Speaker 1: this year. And then like that was a thrust so like,
Speaker 1: and we came to speak with these voters to see
Speaker 1: what's going on, like why why the Democrats are doing
Speaker 1: so bad? And you saw these two, these two black
Speaker 1: dudes in the store and they just said, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: every time I vote, they say vote for me. And
Speaker 1: then this thing is going to happening doesn't happen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like has been happening, and it's uh and there they're
Speaker 1: like confused, They're not This dude wasn't even angry. The
Speaker 1: person next to him was just exasperated to They're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, but every time I vote,
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing the ship that I'm being promised. And
Speaker 1: you cut to this next thing on MSNBC and then
Speaker 1: the host is asking if the Democrats have a branding problem. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: branding is the issue here, got it? Yeah, I'm it's
Speaker 1: just like you, you at a loss because to everybody
Speaker 1: else's solutions are so clear. Man. People need fucking help.
Speaker 1: People need to feel protected, people need that the these
Speaker 1: the scourge of white supremacy snuffed out of the country.
Speaker 1: That's what they need, that's what that's what a movement
Speaker 1: needs to look like. But again, because you have Democrats
Speaker 1: who are like just sort of like the you know,
Speaker 1: woke cousins of the racist, they're like, well, that's my
Speaker 1: family though, you know what I mean, Like, I can't
Speaker 1: push them too far too soon. Yeah what. Meanwhile, we're
Speaker 1: gonna see this ship go over and over because their
Speaker 1: cousins are saying the same ship over and over out
Speaker 1: loud on TV, on Twitter, saying they're replacing us. You
Speaker 1: know what when you see yeah, it's crazy like when
Speaker 1: you say, when you keep revealing what you're the lines
Speaker 1: you're not willing to cross, those that are willing those crosses,
Speaker 1: willing across those lines get more in bolden. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like you're in popular and you're like,
Speaker 1: you said, I'm not gonna tell I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 1: my racist uncle Dave nothing because I still kind of
Speaker 1: need him. And Dave's like, where, Okay, well you just
Speaker 1: told me you ain't gonna do nothing. Well what about
Speaker 1: if I do this, are you gonna do You're still
Speaker 1: not gonna do nothing? What if I if I take it,
Speaker 1: still not gonna do nothing? Okay, well, man, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing exactly what I mean. Then it's uncle. When
Speaker 1: they're about to do some racist ship, their friend might
Speaker 1: be like, what about your nephew. That's like, man, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do exactly. And they keep it moving and they
Speaker 1: keep going, and that's the that's the energy Republicans and man,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get yeah, and that's a dangerous mentality
Speaker 1: to have, Like you know, when you've been in a
Speaker 1: situation and you're like, now I'm gonna press up on stuffing,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna I'm gonna do what the
Speaker 1: funk I want to do, because you know what, no nobody,
Speaker 1: no one canna say ship. Yeah, that's then you're you
Speaker 1: got that debo mentality. The white supremacists have been testing
Speaker 1: the fences and they're like, oh, these these are fucking off.
Speaker 1: He's at this point, they're pretending to test the fences
Speaker 1: and they're sneaking in every night, right, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe the test is if they're like, man, don't worry,
Speaker 1: this is performative. Get in there. Get in fine, they
Speaker 1: get in there. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and you know, we talked a few
Speaker 1: months ago about how Law and Order was back on
Speaker 1: the air and debuted with a somewhat baffling story about
Speaker 1: the murder of basically it was Bill Cosby. It was
Speaker 1: a Bill Cosby type, but basically massive celebrity who was
Speaker 1: found to be a serial sexual abuser. Um is then murdered.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean they Law and Order has always
Speaker 1: pulled from the headlines, but like from the headlines, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're taking some liberties and also so
Speaker 1: taking some liberties with the writing and not spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time on the research front. Uh and and
Speaker 1: some of these so there's like they're just it's it
Speaker 1: feels like somebody, somebody's given them an assignment, like all right,
Speaker 1: we need one about Sackler's, one about Anna Delvy, one
Speaker 1: about have Anna syndrome. And man, I mean it is
Speaker 1: some of these plots are what I would come up
Speaker 1: with if like I had two minutes essentially, So, um,
Speaker 1: there's a a murder of a So annadel V is
Speaker 1: the subject of that Netflix show. She was a con
Speaker 1: artist who basically convinced Busch people she was a socialite,
Speaker 1: but she was actually a con artist. So it's it's
Speaker 1: entire genre of shows, the con artists show basically. So
Speaker 1: in this episode of Law and Order, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she gets killed, So there's a murder of a Delv type. Now,
Speaker 1: they also were like, oh, we need to get three
Speaker 1: of these in by week five, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna double upright here. The murderer turns out to
Speaker 1: be the opioid addicted nephew of a big pharma ceo,
Speaker 1: who admitted to the nephew that he knows that oxy
Speaker 1: is addictive, and so Okay tries the ceo for manslaughter
Speaker 1: with the strong out murder nephew as the star witness.
Speaker 1: And wait, they forget about the original murder because they
Speaker 1: couldn't there wasn't enough evidence. I'm sorry, So they got
Speaker 1: somebody murking a lady and then he's like, hey, I'll
Speaker 1: give up my uncle who runs a big pharmaceutical company,
Speaker 1: like perfect, and you only killed a national villain, so
Speaker 1: we're good. We're good. It's like it's like that logic
Speaker 1: at the end of like action films, where like someone
Speaker 1: is like, well, I killed the guy that was actually
Speaker 1: framing me, and you saw me kill them, but you
Speaker 1: knew what they were framing, so it's all good, right,
Speaker 1: They're like great, yeah, yeah, go ahead, right off in
Speaker 1: the sunset, hold on, just doing the math and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always that carry the one and yeah, like the
Speaker 1: heroes like on a gurney, like near an ambulance with
Speaker 1: like a blanket on and yeah, you went through a lot, kid,
Speaker 1: But hey, I was like that in the detectives, like
Speaker 1: I got that one wrong, huh, even like killed seventy
Speaker 1: people on the way here, Yeah, comes up and tries
Speaker 1: to kiss them like sorry, I'm a one woman man.
Speaker 1: So good. It's like you put every I just feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Law and Order just like puts words on torn pieces
Speaker 1: of paper and throws them in a hat and shakes
Speaker 1: the hat and then it's like, all right, guys, five
Speaker 1: words make a sentence, you know, and then and then
Speaker 1: that's it. And this was Those were just the three
Speaker 1: that came out of the hat. The like opioid murder
Speaker 1: con artists, boom done. The next ripped from the headline show.
Speaker 1: This one was hyped up. Is like the d A
Speaker 1: finally like loses one. This is the rocky one of
Speaker 1: Law and Order episodes where the d A like doesn't
Speaker 1: come out on top. And the problem is that they have,
Speaker 1: you know, always popular on TV and in movies, not
Speaker 1: actually very useful or not actually very successful in court.
Speaker 1: Is the I think it's like in movies it's called
Speaker 1: the sanity defense, you know, and it's it's just constantly
Speaker 1: it's like I'll just claim insanity and the jury is like,
Speaker 1: at we we can't do anything with that, And in
Speaker 1: reality it doesn't work like that, but in this episode,
Speaker 1: so it's called Severance. The episode not to be confused
Speaker 1: with the Apple series Severance or the other Law and
Speaker 1: Order episode from titled Severance. They're now repeating episodes. There's
Speaker 1: just too many shows. That's the more of the whole sections,
Speaker 1: just too many Law and Orders. The disorder or like
Speaker 1: the mental state that drives this person to murder is
Speaker 1: one that we've talked about before on this show. And
Speaker 1: if you were paying attention during those episodes, you're you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit surprised. Where so this is
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend testifying about the guy who murdered. Colin
Speaker 1: was always really kind and gentle, but over the past
Speaker 1: year or so, he started getting angry, having violent outbursts.
Speaker 1: The smallest thing would set him off. Stuffer from from
Speaker 1: whole commania. He was like a different person. I even
Speaker 1: considered I even considered leaving him at one point. I
Speaker 1: feel terrible. I didn't realize it was the Havana syndrome. Oh,
Speaker 1: straight from the headlines into your heart, bro. They could
Speaker 1: it could have been CTE. It could have been something
Speaker 1: that like, you know, yeah, he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: he's not a lot of concussions. Well Man said, Havana syndrome.
Speaker 1: So he claims his year long years a long struggles
Speaker 1: with Havana syndrome led him to blackout and murder someone.
Speaker 1: And he says in the show, and this is a
Speaker 1: direct quote, it wasn't me, it was the symptoms. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, now are they researching this? He was found
Speaker 1: not guilty by reasons of mental disease, so no, they're
Speaker 1: not researching it. This is good. This is too many
Speaker 1: shows because you're out of ideas, guys, You're just out
Speaker 1: of ideas. Yeah. So if you take every claim of
Speaker 1: Havana syndrome at face value as true, like I do
Speaker 1: believe that people suffering from it do have the symptoms
Speaker 1: they have claim they have. I don't think anyone's sitting
Speaker 1: back making it up other than this law and order character.
Speaker 1: But this is they they don't have the symptoms, right, Like,
Speaker 1: they don't even have like the general family of It's
Speaker 1: like claiming that, like chronic fatigue syndrome made you kill someone.
Speaker 1: It's like the thing that the people have is like
Speaker 1: it makes you like dizzy and sick and have you know,
Speaker 1: all sorts of issues, none of which is like it
Speaker 1: makes me in right, So yeah, it's such a bad
Speaker 1: faith like addition to the conversation around Havana syndrome because
Speaker 1: it didn't miss diet, like just doesn't even misstates what
Speaker 1: Havana syndrome is or what people claim it is. And
Speaker 1: then you know, just like that that kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: bad footing from that point for she drops it like
Speaker 1: it's a bar like it's such a build up, right,
Speaker 1: and then it's and I'm like immediately taken out the
Speaker 1: moment when she was like an a syndrome, Like wait what,
Speaker 1: like you know it's it's yeah, I know what you
Speaker 1: mean one of those like like like a nas verse.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh ship, he was the gun time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the right, but it's not a bar fam like what
Speaker 1: or like the Immortal Technique Dance with the Devil at
Speaker 1: the end, You're like, wait what that was your mom
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Okay, this song isn't better because
Speaker 1: of that, but alright, syndrome it was it was his
Speaker 1: syndrome that did it, But me it was a syndrome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, not not a good way to you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know unless the State Department is like,
Speaker 1: hey man, we'll we'll pay you to like really make
Speaker 1: this seem like it's like a terrible thing that makes
Speaker 1: people killers, so we can kind of go down that's
Speaker 1: the road to get aggressive with nations that we suspect
Speaker 1: for being behind a Vanda syndrome. But this really does
Speaker 1: read like terrible, lazy writing. And you just took I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a syndrome. And if people's heads were ringing,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Drake keep their heads ringing and let's
Speaker 1: just say there. They just called Avani syndrome. It's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody knows what is anyway. It has most in common
Speaker 1: with vertigo, do you do we think that the Lawn
Speaker 1: Order writers like just know that there's a Hitchcock movie
Speaker 1: called Vertigo, and they're like, in Vertigo is the Killer
Speaker 1: and that one. So I think we know what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's like Jaws the Birds Vertigo. Vertigo just makes makes
Speaker 1: you kill. It's definitely. Ah, I feel like what you
Speaker 1: said earlier where it's like I just need to turn
Speaker 1: the thing in. Yeah, right, Yeah, we gotta turn it
Speaker 1: in guys. Yeah, we're on deadline, like and then yeah
Speaker 1: we find out that character, It's like, what do you do? Oh?
Speaker 1: He was a youth basketball coach, So how did he
Speaker 1: get harvenus intro? You know, he just got it because
Speaker 1: he was I don't know, I think you know it's
Speaker 1: it met someone who had been in Havanna. He was
Speaker 1: coaching youth basketball and Little Havana, Miami. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: where it came from. That's yeah, exactly, like we got
Speaker 1: to look into Little Havana. Dang. Well, anyways, I'm now out.
Speaker 1: This is the most I've paid attention to a season
Speaker 1: of Law and Order as it was happening in my life.
Speaker 1: So maybe they got exactly what they wanted. But PROP
Speaker 1: as always truly a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: So honored to be here. Prop hip Hop is the
Speaker 1: website and social media, uh yeah, prop hip hop dot
Speaker 1: Com and all my prop hit props. Also, we do
Speaker 1: a day party every first Sunday in Long Beach called
Speaker 1: Real Ones really dove DJ's cool drinks, really good vibes,
Speaker 1: and the best part is it's over by eight pm.
Speaker 1: You go home. Yeah, so pull up on me jone
Speaker 1: fits is the next one? Okay? Amazing? And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Man, there's it's not like I know
Speaker 1: this is I know this. I didn't understand the assignment.
Speaker 1: But here's here's my answer to that. It's not there's
Speaker 1: there much that I've been enjoying it. It's that I'm
Speaker 1: there's a social media thing that I'm sort of dreading
Speaker 1: that's going to make me enjoy. So I'm dreading the
Speaker 1: five thousand think pieces that are gonna come about Kendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar's record, right, So I'm dreading that my whole timeline
Speaker 1: is going to be full of that. But the part
Speaker 1: that I'm going to enjoy about this is the fact
Speaker 1: that he's not going to respond in any way, right Right,
Speaker 1: He's like good or bad, you're not gonna hear from him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go on tour and then go home. So
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it was like, no, I do
Speaker 1: my thing. It's a one way conversation. A lot of
Speaker 1: the times, Yeah, I said what I said, you know,
Speaker 1: so what do you mean when you said this? In
Speaker 1: that song. Well, I I said what I meant, it's
Speaker 1: in the song. You can read it, is there any
Speaker 1: can you get any nuance side of that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't really listened to I just sure, Yeah, it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting though. Yeah, I'm surprised i've I've if i've,
Speaker 1: my timeline has not been just uh up up in
Speaker 1: uh you know, all just all kinds of think pieces
Speaker 1: quite yet, but yeah, I'm just like they're coming. They're
Speaker 1: not there yet, but I'm like, I know that it's
Speaker 1: a long album. It's a long you're gonna need Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to say you need to sit with um miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What is the tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also the other shows, Mad Boosts the Basketball podcast. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, new episodes gonna be dropping Thursday. We'll be
Speaker 1: able to very special guests check it out. Uh they're
Speaker 1: always special, but these are sometimes such a great name
Speaker 1: to like, kudos to the name of the shows. It's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's a it was it was on a and one
Speaker 1: T shirt I couldn't afford as a kid, So that
Speaker 1: is I always kept that in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want that shirt that has got mad boost got
Speaker 1: mad Boost. Yeah, some tweets I like, let's see. The
Speaker 1: first one I like is from kill. Joey McCoy at
Speaker 1: Let's Go Ao tweeted the reason why all cultures have
Speaker 1: mermaids is because drawing legs is hard. And I totally
Speaker 1: felt that because man, when I used to when I
Speaker 1: used to go, when I moved past stick figures, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking hated drawing legs. Like I couldn't draw a feet
Speaker 1: they always look like mcbig old McDonald's, like Ronald McDonald's
Speaker 1: feet was terribly So we need to come up with
Speaker 1: we need a mythical figure that doesn't have hands, that
Speaker 1: just has like when I was in yeah, when I
Speaker 1: was in art school, that was a whole semester class
Speaker 1: is hands and feet. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: again I would have been like, fucking man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just do another disembodied head drawing. I think more like
Speaker 1: fine artists should start doing like there's there should be
Speaker 1: a trend where just like great works like Mona Lisa
Speaker 1: has Simpson's hands like just the four fingers or yeah,
Speaker 1: one of these has a Simpson ear you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, just that because I learned, man, I damn
Speaker 1: near and learned how to draw everything from a grainy
Speaker 1: Like the years I used to draw were like Homer's ears.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh, ship, that looks good, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna do like words seven squiggle that's a year. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: tweet that like, uh, let's see the other one. Noah
Speaker 1: at Noah, don't care, tweeted as a quote, I was
Speaker 1: born in two thousand seven. Sounds fake as funk. Nobody
Speaker 1: was born that late bro. Sounds fake as nobody's late.
Speaker 1: Nobody born that late bro. Let's see Adam serious brow
Speaker 1: tweeting tweeted interviewer, what's your biggest strength? Me flattery interviewer? Okay,
Speaker 1: and your biggest weakness me that smile interviewer given the
Speaker 1: bashful face. Good And then p J Evans tweeted buying
Speaker 1: a used car, how many honks does it have? Left?
Speaker 1: Identify with? Not knowing ship about cars? Okay? Alright, sounds good, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: So yeah, let me just get a look under the hood,
Speaker 1: not literally kick a tire, literally kicking tires. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O Brian. You
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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: Myles song to some people might enjoy. This is a
Speaker 1: track called Two Chords and the Truth, and it's like
Speaker 1: a really great I've never heard of these people, but
Speaker 1: it's the art of it is my Elli Manzanza, and
Speaker 1: there's other artists on here, Matt Dalden, Ashton Sellers and
Speaker 1: a few others, and this is like I don't know
Speaker 1: this is this is a band, but the guys playing
Speaker 1: like jazz as guitar, kind of like Grant Green sort
Speaker 1: of jazz guitar, but the drummer is playing very like
Speaker 1: off kilter, like wonky, like almost j Dilla like wonky drumbeats. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's a very interesting like I like when live
Speaker 1: bands like really referenced hip hop a lot, but then
Speaker 1: also like stay true or whatever their expertise is on instrument.
Speaker 1: So again this is called Two Chords and the Truth.
Speaker 1: But the artist, the main artist is my l A
Speaker 1: m y e l e man Zanza m A n
Speaker 1: z A n z day. All right, we'll be liking
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