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Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien ak potatoes, Oh Brian, and I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles Gray. Miles Gray. But you know what, I
Speaker 1: saw some really great Star Wars references for May the
Speaker 1: Fourth be with you for yesterday. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just want to do a couple the Phantom Munch's Attack
Speaker 1: of the Stones, the Empire, smokes Black and Miles uh
Speaker 1: a return of the Red Eyes. Okay, shout out to
Speaker 1: Fight of the night Man on a discord for those
Speaker 1: Is that is that Fight of the night Man? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that a reference to something man? Fighter of the
Speaker 1: night Man? It's from It's Always Sunny? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I knew that. I just wanted the listeners not still
Speaker 1: left down by our little in joke. And it's funny too.
Speaker 1: I'm not a culture I'm not the biggest It's Always
Speaker 1: So any fan, but I've I've only I've experienced the
Speaker 1: right ones where people think I'm literate, So you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've had this exact conversation and I just
Speaker 1: forgot probably well, Miles. We are thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: by an executive producer behind shows like Fake Doctor's Real
Speaker 1: Friend and Welcome to Our Show. You've heard her on
Speaker 1: pop Culture Happy Hour, read her at Culture, The A
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Speaker 1: and executive producer of the comic com metapod. It is
Speaker 1: the brilliant and talented Joel Monique. What's Up? Marble Defender
Speaker 1: Back in Action Star Wars Lady Purple Lipstick don I've
Speaker 1: got more names coming. We're cooking them. My guys, hair
Speaker 1: looking good, yes, Miles, Me and my whole day. When
Speaker 1: you texted me, we were in a meeting and we
Speaker 1: were like, what's up, Jane Jackson with the poetic Justice braces,
Speaker 1: Like this is the best compliment I've ever didn't You
Speaker 1: got your hair done? And then you popped on that
Speaker 1: car and I was like, Okay, Janet over there, you
Speaker 1: think I didn't know, Like we need to get you
Speaker 1: that little Cabby hat bill that you had outfit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Joel, your new show dropped yesterday, Yes, it did
Speaker 1: on me the four anniversary Star Wars Day special celebrating
Speaker 1: all things Star Wars co host Hector Navarro and I.
Speaker 1: If you all know Hector, you should get to know him.
Speaker 1: He's an incredible host. He does a SpongeBob podcast for
Speaker 1: I Heart and Nickelodeon. But I knew him back in
Speaker 1: the day when he was on DC Streaming Network, and
Speaker 1: his knowledge is so deep. The man has a library
Speaker 1: of books and DVDs that he rents out to his friends.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean like he keeps a catalog of everything.
Speaker 1: It's really impressive. We once watched a bunch of Marvel
Speaker 1: movies in like canonical order, and just him and I
Speaker 1: are talking about him back and forth, and so I
Speaker 1: knew that. Like when l a comic con came to
Speaker 1: I heard and like, hey, let's partner up and do something,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to bring a convention two ears every week.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's got to be actor in me.
Speaker 1: And we did a whole bunch of tests and they
Speaker 1: were like, we like the chemistry and it worked, and
Speaker 1: so I was so excited to do the show. But
Speaker 1: then comic CON's booking people were like, we're gonna help
Speaker 1: you get great guests. And the first person they got
Speaker 1: for us was John Carlo was supposed to do and
Speaker 1: I was like, mine, we're gonna talk to the icon
Speaker 1: of performing, Like just he's mof Gideon in the Mandalorian,
Speaker 1: but some of you might know him as bugging out
Speaker 1: from do the right thing, maybe gusts from breaking bad.
Speaker 1: I mean tree truly iconic level performer, and he bears
Speaker 1: his soul to us. We cried together over our love
Speaker 1: of Sondheim, I mean actual tears when he starts talking
Speaker 1: about you know, the impact fans have had on him,
Speaker 1: and so that was a great conversation. And then we
Speaker 1: pivot and we talked to Kevin Kiner, who's done the
Speaker 1: most music other than John Williams for the Star Wars universe,
Speaker 1: and that was an incredible conversation talking about you know,
Speaker 1: he's does the theme music for two of my favorit characters,
Speaker 1: Pocoon and Asoka Tano. It was great. It's so lovely,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it was a trivia battle between two
Speaker 1: Star Wars fandoms, so it's, uh, the Droid Builders and
Speaker 1: the mandome work. So these are fan clubs to get
Speaker 1: together and design droids and create Mandalorian armor and then
Speaker 1: go to conventions and hang out and you pick them
Speaker 1: in a battle of wits like a trivia contest too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did family feud style trivia. It was great. That
Speaker 1: feels like it was like fun and theory. And then
Speaker 1: they like whoever lost that had had to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: disappear off for a couple of months. But I think
Speaker 1: the point difference was like by five or ten points,
Speaker 1: so there was no devastating loss, I'll say that. And
Speaker 1: then they both got nice little prize packages at the
Speaker 1: Wonderful Well Joel, we are going to get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better in a moment. People should
Speaker 1: go listen to that show right now, first episode it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but before we get to know you better, some things
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about later on. We're obviously gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about the Supreme Court, the leaked decision, and just
Speaker 1: like trying to put all this into greater context, this
Speaker 1: particular movement which keeps getting referenced as like a grassroots
Speaker 1: effort by conservatives incorrect. Well, we'll explain why, just how
Speaker 1: incorrect that is. We'll take a look at the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court just in general across the twentieth century, what what
Speaker 1: their whole kind of m O has been continues to be.
Speaker 1: And we'll look at Joe Biden's abortion record. Um, all
Speaker 1: of that plenty more. First, Joel, we do like to
Speaker 1: ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: this morning I caught myself on the Disney Grand California
Speaker 1: Adventure page. Do you want some research? My birthday is
Speaker 1: coming up past year. I dropped everything, including New York
Speaker 1: and saw some Broadway musicals one of my favorite gal
Speaker 1: pals and it was amazing. But I haven't done Disney Halloweenia,
Speaker 1: and all my friends say it's amazing, and I want
Speaker 1: to do I want to be there when you know,
Speaker 1: Mickey's and his like vampire costume and it's so cute.
Speaker 1: And then Ogi Bookie is there and I'm a booky
Speaker 1: and they turned the Hunted Mansion into the night right
Speaker 1: before christ It's so cute, So I want to go
Speaker 1: and do that. And then there's also a spa and
Speaker 1: you can just walk into the park, which I think
Speaker 1: is the most ideal way to do Disney. Like you're
Speaker 1: in the hotel and then you just walk directly into Uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, you're right outside of the gates.
Speaker 1: You can go California Adventure or Disneyland, whichever. It takes
Speaker 1: two seconds to walk from your hotel room. And you know,
Speaker 1: if in the middle day you're overheating and you go
Speaker 1: take a nap, you right back your hotel and then
Speaker 1: flip and her around and come back out. And that
Speaker 1: is the change, you know what I mean. I mean
Speaker 1: when it's nighttime and I want to go back to
Speaker 1: Star Wars Land because the lighting has changed because there's
Speaker 1: no trees over Tony California Adventure and so it looks
Speaker 1: completely different, super cool. Yeah, absolute and ten percent. I
Speaker 1: want to do that, So I'm really excited. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. It's gonna be ungodly expensive for
Speaker 1: no reason, but I kind of don't care. It's my birthday,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm spend the money I want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean for what why what's the point of what's
Speaker 1: the point of toiling if not to indulge our interests
Speaker 1: when our free times? You know? Yeah? Wait, wait, but
Speaker 1: when's your when's your actual birthday? October one? Okay, okay, God,
Speaker 1: So you're you're you're you're making sure, you're you're looking
Speaker 1: out there, you're getting a long view of making sure
Speaker 1: it's the right move. Okay, yeah, I'm looking it. Letting
Speaker 1: the friends know who wants to pop in? What's going Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: baller ship. I think I ever heard of it is
Speaker 1: like if you like you live locally, you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm going to I'm going to Disneyland with
Speaker 1: the hotel room. I'm gonna Gosneyland for a couple of days. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool and needs some escapism. Yeah, they'd be like, sir,
Speaker 1: your pupils are so dilated, we can't let you in
Speaker 1: the park. I'm like, oh, that's cool. I'm just called
Speaker 1: is playing as Pikachu. I was not aware of the
Speaker 1: So starting October one they have like sort of a
Speaker 1: Halloween theme or it's actually the end of August through
Speaker 1: the end of October. So it's the longest season at
Speaker 1: Disney is Halloween season. Because if you're Halloween head you
Speaker 1: like to dress up, there's a good chance you're also
Speaker 1: a Disney Head. I want to go hang out over it.
Speaker 1: The overlap is large, right, Yeah, And since you you
Speaker 1: brought up vampires, we do have to ask you what
Speaker 1: is your opinion on do our vampire fangs hollow like
Speaker 1: as in you through yes, or they just big bitey
Speaker 1: bity teeth just for the wound of a vein and
Speaker 1: then they suck out like you know. I would say
Speaker 1: old vampires, like really old vampires, the ancient kind that's
Speaker 1: just bone, you know, because they're not really do in
Speaker 1: the clean bite and walking away from it you're pretty
Speaker 1: much destroyed. But these new age vampires who like don't
Speaker 1: want to kill with their bite or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like semi vegan vampires. I think they're hollow. I
Speaker 1: think they've evolved in the hollow fans. Wow, this is
Speaker 1: the first Some people, most people we talked to their
Speaker 1: either or, and you you've put in the Darwinian argument
Speaker 1: for the evolution towards a hollow fang. Okay, because look
Speaker 1: at our more recent vampires, Like they're clean, they come
Speaker 1: up from their victim, no blood on them, they're like
Speaker 1: gentlemen and ship. I feel like you can't do that
Speaker 1: if you're just puncturing with bone or new blood everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's some vampire movies or cartoons that
Speaker 1: I've seen where the person doesn't know that they've been bit,
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of a weight, which just late, which
Speaker 1: has more in common with a mosquito, which is like
Speaker 1: gang on Twitter has pointed out that is like we
Speaker 1: keep saying it's a reverse like snake bite because snakes
Speaker 1: like inject them through the fangs, but it's actually just
Speaker 1: they're just biting mosquitoes. Yeah, sounds a lot less scary,
Speaker 1: but ten times more annoying. Slot them away, like you
Speaker 1: no stead of a tiny red well, you have everlasting life,
Speaker 1: and your life is very strange and yeah, no more sunrises,
Speaker 1: but eternal beauty, I mean, give there you go. And
Speaker 1: if there was like two different types at various times,
Speaker 1: I do feel like it would make sense that the
Speaker 1: ones who have to just like open a massive wound
Speaker 1: in someone's neck would probably be the ones that were
Speaker 1: more likely to die off because yeah, yeah, humans are
Speaker 1: going to apex Predator the ship out of that. They're like,
Speaker 1: in no way, we are mass killing machines and we
Speaker 1: will devoue. You can't do this. What is something do
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? As a person who really like
Speaker 1: loves fashion, I love reading a Vogue magazine, Harper's Bizarre
Speaker 1: if you will, of the fashion world and their goofy
Speaker 1: nous and their eccentric nous. The Met Gala is really
Speaker 1: overrated to me. And here's why no one follows theme. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know we say it every year the Met gall
Speaker 1: of fans go on to the twitters and we're like,
Speaker 1: what they went through the whole effort of making a theme.
Speaker 1: They brought in specific art pieces. A lot of times
Speaker 1: the meal goes along with the theme why would you
Speaker 1: come dressed? Not as the theme? What is the point?
Speaker 1: And this year they did the Gilded Age one of
Speaker 1: the fancy is most like extreme time. You could have
Speaker 1: done giant parasols, huge hats, I mean, hoop skirts four days.
Speaker 1: It's literally the era of corsets. And everyone was like
Speaker 1: ongoing in black, which first of all, it's the guilded
Speaker 1: age is all about color, too much black, lots of
Speaker 1: like lace underwear things. Some people got it, some people
Speaker 1: were about it. Gigi hadid you know, at first, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't understand the entire like latex red
Speaker 1: leather corset hant thing. But then with the coach, she
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I'm gonna really, I'm gonna with
Speaker 1: the silhouette and give you, you know, give you perfect
Speaker 1: time period, which works. Sara Jessica Parker was working out
Speaker 1: of three separate centuries, but it came together. It was
Speaker 1: mostly in line with theme. And then who's the director
Speaker 1: of something like forty year It's on Netflix, So hold
Speaker 1: I'm a finder because she knocked it out of the park,
Speaker 1: doing the sort of like oh too, black women of
Speaker 1: the era, highlighting the seamstresses who were behind a lot
Speaker 1: of the classic designs. Rhonda Blank Rhonda Blanc is an
Speaker 1: incredible director. She directed this movie called The forty year
Speaker 1: old version about a woman who's interested in getting into
Speaker 1: like hip hop and reconnecting with her writing roots. It
Speaker 1: is a setting performance. But her outfit for the gala
Speaker 1: was like giant white head wrap, like knife billowing skirt.
Speaker 1: It was in doble, and I really appreciated was she
Speaker 1: brought to the theme. I think my favorite outfit was
Speaker 1: Pete Davison with his his tanner, his self tanding spray.
Speaker 1: Oh god, his new tattoos. You can not look did
Speaker 1: you not look a little tan to you? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean that's what happens when you get with the Kardashian
Speaker 1: Your your beauty glow up routine begins immediately because creaking
Speaker 1: on more cameras than you ever thought existed in your
Speaker 1: whole life. So again, he's got it's literally keeping up
Speaker 1: with the Kardashians. He's got put work. Also, I love
Speaker 1: how like just how odd the theme of the Gilded Age.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's frightening, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: massive inequality and child labor. But hey, you know this
Speaker 1: ball out and nothing but Hillary's dresses dedicated to Harriet Tubman,
Speaker 1: So you know, problems resolved. Let's see it giveth and
Speaker 1: it taketh truly. I also thinks metgal is overrated because
Speaker 1: I don't know who any of these designers are. For
Speaker 1: the most part, people are like, oh, and they're wearing Louis.
Speaker 1: I mean I know Louuia. Yeah, okay, Carolina Herrara, I
Speaker 1: know that one. But like there were some I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, where my favorite designers Gilding. Hey, what is
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated? Oh, candles are underrated and
Speaker 1: the interest of disappearing from this plane of existence. I've
Speaker 1: gotten really into a company called can Trip Candles? Do
Speaker 1: you D and D themed candles, which are my favorite
Speaker 1: thing in the whole world. They got one of the
Speaker 1: smells like a library, one that smells like an adventure dungeon.
Speaker 1: When that smells like identifies it's just like red wine
Speaker 1: pane and smoke, which I really really enjoy. They're amazing.
Speaker 1: I have taken them to D and D games. It
Speaker 1: really helps set them. We already have like mood lighting.
Speaker 1: We got a whole board. We're doing the storytelling. You
Speaker 1: have the candles saying that you're practically in that dungeon. Baby.
Speaker 1: It is amazing. So if you're into that kind of.
Speaker 1: I go check out Cantrip candles. But candles in general, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I owned, Woman Owned Like it's a beautiful space. You
Speaker 1: gotta go check it out. What I really love about
Speaker 1: it is it's ah like, just candles in general have
Speaker 1: the ability to just like bring stress relief to you
Speaker 1: kind of immediately in a way that a product that
Speaker 1: costs five ninety nine can rarely do. Get them on
Speaker 1: the cheap, They're real fragrant, they last for a pretty
Speaker 1: long night. It's a good deal, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And if you're fancy enough to do the thing where
Speaker 1: you break down the little bit of waxes left and
Speaker 1: re melt and build new candles, kudos to you. I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten there yet in my recycling, but um as
Speaker 1: there continues to deteriorate, I aspire to be kind of
Speaker 1: person who can save and reuse wax. Yeah I'm not
Speaker 1: doing I'm not into that level of alchemy yet. But
Speaker 1: Her Majesty actually went to school with Christoph from can Trip.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, that's like how I first heard about it.
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, my friend from school as
Speaker 1: this candle store we went. I was like, what the
Speaker 1: and yeah, we've got a few, We've got a few
Speaker 1: can trips. Yeah, I I grew up the associating scented
Speaker 1: candles with just Yankee candle, just that store in the mall,
Speaker 1: And it's the equivalent of you know, like car air
Speaker 1: fresheners is just bad and overwhelming, and they don't smell
Speaker 1: like anything as much as just air fresheners. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I've recently had my eyes opened to the fact that
Speaker 1: you can you can have really like great smells, but yeah,
Speaker 1: don't smell like you're burning a scented candle. I love
Speaker 1: a smoky like wood fire scented anything. Man. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you when it when I get those crackling with candles
Speaker 1: I talked about this winter, my house smell like you
Speaker 1: came over to Karen's crib. Okay, I'd like to change
Speaker 1: my candles for the seasons. Yeah, you got to eat
Speaker 1: a fresh linen in the summer. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to get your pine and cranberry on in the winter.
Speaker 1: Really m hm. And so it's C A N T R.
Speaker 1: I P Yes, candles nice, go check them out. Given
Speaker 1: me your business. Let's dope. So your favorite, you would say,
Speaker 1: is the is the den of thieves from them. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: It's again like red wine, and it's like the most
Speaker 1: masculine candle you can buy. Good, Uh, what makes your
Speaker 1: whole house smell like warm and inviting? And then I
Speaker 1: just bought the like walk through the Forest, I think,
Speaker 1: which is cool because you do a lot of trail
Speaker 1: checking in D N D and so, and you did
Speaker 1: a candle for that. And I think they have an
Speaker 1: ocean one, which I want to get because we've been
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time on a boat lately, and
Speaker 1: I have a candle for that. So I was just
Speaker 1: building the parchment one and it just didn't feel right.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'll eventually collect them all as if
Speaker 1: they were pokemon, and so that we have a candle
Speaker 1: for every situation, the situation for every candle. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, so you know, we're I think we're
Speaker 1: all still working through processing. Enraged at what was revealed
Speaker 1: in the leaked Gorsage decision seems to be foreshadowing that
Speaker 1: they're going to overturn Row and do it in a
Speaker 1: very aggressive fashion. That seems to just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we can come for fucking anything. Go fund yourselves,
Speaker 1: all of you, each and everyone. But like just kind
Speaker 1: of taking a step back and looking at the way
Speaker 1: the news is covering this has covered it. You hear
Speaker 1: the word grassroots thrown out there a lot that this
Speaker 1: is a grassroots movement, which suggests that it's like a
Speaker 1: a popular uprising that like naturally kind of percolated up
Speaker 1: from this large anti choice movement that's just happened on
Speaker 1: the streets, and that that's not the case. And Miles,
Speaker 1: you put together some some good thoughts on just like
Speaker 1: kind of putting putting this in perspective of what exactly
Speaker 1: we're seeing when it's whether it's grass I mean, clearly
Speaker 1: they are activists, because they're violent anti choice activists out there.
Speaker 1: Who are you know, normal people who have a really
Speaker 1: violent agenda. But like when you look at sort of
Speaker 1: when you're sort of tracking how we got here, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people have said, like, see the Republicans,
Speaker 1: they got out and vote, and they consistently got out,
Speaker 1: and like that's how we got this. Well, my and
Speaker 1: and I guess on a certain level they do vote,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't because they're like, here's our thing, folks
Speaker 1: are gonna get out because we're gonna make sure we're
Speaker 1: gonna strip people's human rights away. When you really look
Speaker 1: at sort of the Republican Party, right in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: six is when the party decided to like fully embrace
Speaker 1: being anti choice and making it part of the official
Speaker 1: party platform. And it wasn't because they believed innocent souls
Speaker 1: were being lost to the you know, blight of abortion.
Speaker 1: They were they're they're sitting there, you know, they're looking
Speaker 1: at power. Then they said, who else can we bring
Speaker 1: into the party to mote like that's motivated to keep
Speaker 1: voting for us? Oh, that's right, evangelicals. So if we
Speaker 1: make this part of who we are, then we're bringing
Speaker 1: in a whole group of other voters so we can
Speaker 1: begin to you know, eke out our our wins at
Speaker 1: a at a higher rate and have something that is
Speaker 1: you know, and that appeals to this group emotionally, and
Speaker 1: it and it and it's worked. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: driven out a lot of people to come vote around
Speaker 1: this issue. Despite right only thirty percent of Americans wanting
Speaker 1: Road to be overturned. Because with the evangelicals, not only
Speaker 1: do you bring it more people into the base. But
Speaker 1: you also have an issue of making abortion a new
Speaker 1: way to push back against the civil rights movement and
Speaker 1: another way to control people because as we all know,
Speaker 1: reproductive rights and the lack of safe abortion access is
Speaker 1: going to affect the poorest people in the country, and
Speaker 1: that's typically the most affective people are going to be
Speaker 1: people of color. So this all kind of came together
Speaker 1: in a very opportunistic way. And you know, they've they
Speaker 1: haven't had the majority vote in seven of the eight
Speaker 1: last presidential left. No, not at all. And this has
Speaker 1: been you know, throughout the eighties and nineties, and the
Speaker 1: odds like this was this is useful for both parties.
Speaker 1: The Republicans could dangle the carrot of overturning Row to
Speaker 1: to get the base uh, you know, motivated, and Democrats
Speaker 1: raised the specter of overturning Row also to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta you gotta give us some money because they
Speaker 1: might do this. But in the early odds is really
Speaker 1: when things begin to change and the influence of dark
Speaker 1: money groups really increased as it relates to how Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justices are picked and what the sort of bare
Speaker 1: minimum is for somebody to be a judge that is
Speaker 1: getting the blessing from a group like the Federalist Society.
Speaker 1: So again, dark money groups are basically political spending groups
Speaker 1: that are structured as nonprofits that do not have to
Speaker 1: disclose where their funding comes from. There's many different kinds
Speaker 1: of nonprofits. Certain nonprofits do have to disclose where every
Speaker 1: single dollar that they receive, where that comes from. Others
Speaker 1: do not, and those are the dark money groups because
Speaker 1: it allows for gigantic donations of millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: go in and you don't know where it came from,
Speaker 1: and they're free to spend that money however they like now.
Speaker 1: Specifically right groups like the Judicial Crisis Network and the
Speaker 1: Federalist Society have had the biggest influence. And Leonard Leo,
Speaker 1: who is a longtime senior executive at the Federalist Society,
Speaker 1: has had the ears of the last two Republican presidents,
Speaker 1: Trump and Bush. He was even Trump's judicial like advisor basically,
Speaker 1: and at the same time he was telling Trump these
Speaker 1: are people who should be judges or justices. He was
Speaker 1: running this network of dark money groups to exert their
Speaker 1: influence in these different confirmation here and so it started
Speaker 1: with Alito and Roberts and again every single time they
Speaker 1: start injecting money. To give you an idea of the
Speaker 1: count of like kind of money that they put in,
Speaker 1: it's about ten million dollars per nominee. And they have said,
Speaker 1: you know, we've we spent a lot of money. We
Speaker 1: spent around ten million blocking Merritt Garland's nomination, and we
Speaker 1: spent about ten million each on ten million each on Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Gorsitch and Coney Barrett. And when you look at how
Speaker 1: this money moves, right right before Cony Barrett's nomination began,
Speaker 1: the Judicial Crisis Network got a fourteen million dollar donation
Speaker 1: from one donor, and it only and they spent about
Speaker 1: ten millions. Whether that's ads, whether that's putting pressure on
Speaker 1: senators to vote to confirm, or you know, just to
Speaker 1: prop them up, putting up flowery ads about a judge,
Speaker 1: what have you. That's where that money is being spent.
Speaker 1: And if you just really think about it, one person
Speaker 1: can single handedly fund the media blitz to confirm or
Speaker 1: block a nominee, you know, because that's just sort of
Speaker 1: the amounts of money that's moving. And this is why
Speaker 1: I think we experience this extreme level of minority rule
Speaker 1: right now because you have two presidents that lost the
Speaker 1: popular vote in Trump and Bush, they appointed five Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justices and through that have stripped away the rights
Speaker 1: of millions. And it's not because the Republicans are getting
Speaker 1: out and consistently voting. Yes, that's part of the process,
Speaker 1: but in a in a much larger scale, we're we're
Speaker 1: we don't really report on the fact that so many
Speaker 1: of our policies that are shaped are coming from the
Speaker 1: very wealthy, and that's who, at the end of the
Speaker 1: day is sort of at the wheel at what kinds
Speaker 1: of policies these politicians are trying to legislate. And we
Speaker 1: don't need Democrats to just tell people to vote. They
Speaker 1: can use the fucking power that they actually have right
Speaker 1: now to do things in the interim. You know, many
Speaker 1: people have pointed to the fact that Biden can make
Speaker 1: sure the FDA can guarantee access to the abortion peel
Speaker 1: or Blue states can help expand access to abortion using
Speaker 1: Medicaid funds to help the people that would inevitably be
Speaker 1: crossing state lines to get a safe abortion. So as
Speaker 1: the moneyed powers that stand you have on the on
Speaker 1: the many, i mean most capitalists, they want. They want
Speaker 1: to vaporize as the federal government so they can privatize everything,
Speaker 1: and then the process strip away things like our privacy rights,
Speaker 1: our ability to organize as workers, and safety regulations so
Speaker 1: they can conduct business in a way that is just maximum,
Speaker 1: that provides maximum benefit for their profit earning business. And
Speaker 1: the biggest impediments to those profits is having to treat
Speaker 1: people like they are humans. And the best way to
Speaker 1: get rid of those hurdles is by controlling the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: Because now we're in a situation where Aldo has basically said,
Speaker 1: the gist of what his opinion is saying is if
Speaker 1: that ship isn't literally in the Constitution when they wrote it,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right. Yeah, that's been
Speaker 1: like up and now in a statement to stand on,
Speaker 1: given all the things that weren't right when the Constitution
Speaker 1: was written, given the fact that like it's meant to
Speaker 1: be a living document, I I can't understand. I can't
Speaker 1: wrap my mind around how they think it's going to listen.
Speaker 1: I'm torn on is this the grasping death rattle of
Speaker 1: a dying like breed in that you know, folks who
Speaker 1: are super dedicated to the constitution not as a starting point,
Speaker 1: but as the finish line or if it's at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the end, not to be too dark, but
Speaker 1: also what the fuck opens the door? Right, because think
Speaker 1: about all these things that happened since the civil rights movement,
Speaker 1: all that's on the table essentially based on the logic
Speaker 1: that's being presented in this draft that we've read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, black people were not a full person in
Speaker 1: in a constitution. I just don't know. I just don't
Speaker 1: know what you could possibly be thinking. How you think
Speaker 1: that's going to work. I mean, I think the most
Speaker 1: you know, what a lot of states will probably emboldened
Speaker 1: to do is to try and begin to chip away
Speaker 1: at people's access to contraception. Yeah. Yeah, that feels like
Speaker 1: the easiest thing, the next step that they can continue
Speaker 1: because a lot of people wrongfully say things like I
Speaker 1: U D S are abortion. They're not. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: we can begin to see because the access to contraception,
Speaker 1: those things are decided in the fifties or sixties. I
Speaker 1: believe for married and unmarried people that that's another thing
Speaker 1: that I'm like, man, maybe that decision was wrong too.
Speaker 1: It's a it's such a transparent thing that's happened where
Speaker 1: these people are put there by you know, people who
Speaker 1: are elected due to wealthy donors. They then enact legislation
Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court that makes it so that you know,
Speaker 1: like they are obliterating campaign finance restrictions, which makes America
Speaker 1: into an olig oligarchy. That the number of seven of
Speaker 1: eight presidential elections, seven of the past eight presidential elections
Speaker 1: were democratic majority results and the one win it was
Speaker 1: for Republican incumbent after nine eleven, like when the nation
Speaker 1: had lost its fucking mind, Like the it's a it's
Speaker 1: a pretty clear majority at this point, and this is
Speaker 1: just not a majority rule country. It's a capital rural
Speaker 1: country at this point. And it's like not even is it.
Speaker 1: But like the fact that we that this isn't the
Speaker 1: number one thing, like the number one angle on the
Speaker 1: front page of the New York Times, like is part
Speaker 1: of the problem. This is a country that is also
Speaker 1: so bad at talking about like class and you know,
Speaker 1: the just outsized influence of corporate rations and the wealthy
Speaker 1: it's um and and the idea that it gets that
Speaker 1: they get to couch. It is like a grassroots thing
Speaker 1: as opposed to a you know, oligarchy. Seizing power from
Speaker 1: the majority of Americans and putting they're very extremist ideas
Speaker 1: into into action is pretty crazy. Yeah, there's a call
Speaker 1: from the same group that organized the Women's Rights March,
Speaker 1: the pussy Hat Ladies. In what was seen right after
Speaker 1: that Orange you took office, they had that really Aardvrentages
Speaker 1: basically just a very vocal demonstration of was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're here and we see you, but didn't yield, to
Speaker 1: my knowledge, a lot of actual results. There's a call
Speaker 1: to for women to just like not spend money for
Speaker 1: like starting next week, like for an entire week, to
Speaker 1: do their best to not like engage in the economy
Speaker 1: as a vocal opportunity to say like, hey, don't funk
Speaker 1: with us. Based off of you know, Iceland's similar protests
Speaker 1: and what was that like, I think, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it will work. I don't know if there's it
Speaker 1: seems like a thing that upper middle class and up
Speaker 1: folks can do. I don't know. You know, back when
Speaker 1: I was making like seven fifty an hour, if that
Speaker 1: would have been an option to just not spend money,
Speaker 1: I gotta get on the bus. I gotta do X
Speaker 1: Y and Z in order to support myself. But I
Speaker 1: do like the idea potentially of being like, can we
Speaker 1: as a vocal majority say we'll just keep our money
Speaker 1: then and you can't have it because that's the only
Speaker 1: like language that you guys speak, And it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: we can do much beyond you know, they're in to
Speaker 1: take away our money is the only thing that really
Speaker 1: speaks to companies, I think anyway, from a large group
Speaker 1: of people saying like, hey, we'll take your stock if
Speaker 1: we have to. What do we need to do? Right
Speaker 1: and it but it also goes back to this reflective individualism,
Speaker 1: like we are inside this system where massive corporations outside
Speaker 1: of our control and above all of us are making
Speaker 1: these decisions that take away the rights of individuals, And
Speaker 1: then the answer seems to always reflectibly go to like
Speaker 1: we need to demonstrate harder, we need to you know,
Speaker 1: vote harder, and we need to like in this case,
Speaker 1: And I like, I think any any action is great,
Speaker 1: like I'm but I do feel like the way that
Speaker 1: like this system is just irrevocably fucked right now is
Speaker 1: underrated by a lot of the kind of initial responses
Speaker 1: which are like, well, we gotta like this is what
Speaker 1: people in Latin American countries did to get abortion rights,
Speaker 1: Like we need to do that too, and like that
Speaker 1: may that may be true, but like we also are
Speaker 1: like at the tail end of a long period of
Speaker 1: this system just actively like robbing people of their individual rights. Right.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know too, again, like when you talk
Speaker 1: about all the money that's swirling around, you think of
Speaker 1: how all like these decisions are really made in advance
Speaker 1: by wealthy people, whether it's like overturning Row or even
Speaker 1: go back to like Clinton right and repealing the Glass
Speaker 1: Stiegel Act, which basically Casino fied Wall Street. That it's
Speaker 1: we have people who are like come from Goldman Sacks,
Speaker 1: end up running the Treasury, lean on Bill Clinton and
Speaker 1: others to be like, hey man, what we need to
Speaker 1: do is make it real easy to allow investment banks
Speaker 1: and retail banks and insurers to merge into one thing,
Speaker 1: which ended up us having to you know, we we
Speaker 1: we saw it happen in two thousand and eight. And
Speaker 1: again you even look at the people within that industry,
Speaker 1: like Robert Rubin, who was at the at the Treasury
Speaker 1: at the time. He ends up going to City Group
Speaker 1: right after and he even like got he was like
Speaker 1: even leaning on Clinton to be like you have to
Speaker 1: pre approve a merger between city Group and Travelers as
Speaker 1: part of like this bill. And you can see that
Speaker 1: all of the so many people in the government, these
Speaker 1: monumental bills, they're always outside aims, right, it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: just for the bent like that. They're like, this is
Speaker 1: actually what we need for the country. No, it's this
Speaker 1: guy from Goldman Sacks, other people from other places end
Speaker 1: up in the White House and they're like, hey man,
Speaker 1: so I'm here to hook up the homies, so let's
Speaker 1: let's begin to do that. And you know, some people
Speaker 1: can win off that. But more importantly, this is going
Speaker 1: to help our industry and we can case it in
Speaker 1: whatever argument we need to. But we're like, it's not
Speaker 1: we're not we're not regularly talking about how much moneyed influence.
Speaker 1: We can point to so many of our ills because
Speaker 1: people were enriching themselves with some of these policy decisions.
Speaker 1: And like, apparently if you do, then it's like too
Speaker 1: extreme to be on like CNN or fucking MSNBC or
Speaker 1: this interested in it because it inevitably is going to
Speaker 1: cause some kind of examination of what what the role
Speaker 1: of corporations are in our in our media and our
Speaker 1: politics and things like that. And in a fully corporate
Speaker 1: like corporate tized, ad based you know, media format that
Speaker 1: can't always happen luckily we can. We're not, I guess
Speaker 1: we're not enough of a threat where people are trying
Speaker 1: to pull to say, oh, this is this is too
Speaker 1: dangerous or whatever, even though this is ad supported. But
Speaker 1: you look at like larger companies. If a network is
Speaker 1: wholly owned by a company that's also making like war machines,
Speaker 1: they're less likely to talk about the military industrial complex there.
Speaker 1: And we because of all so many things become obscure.
Speaker 1: We're like coming out of this fog where like in
Speaker 1: a car accident where not many people realize that the
Speaker 1: thing is fully has been broken for a very long time. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's very dark and scary times, particularly when you
Speaker 1: follow a lot of abortion rights activists and there like
Speaker 1: Night of learning the news was just so traumatic from
Speaker 1: the perspective of like, okay, well we'll start telling the
Speaker 1: stories of our mothers then and what they had to do.
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, we definitely can't go back there.
Speaker 1: And then you know a lot of them were like
Speaker 1: your action plans to figure out which doctors know how
Speaker 1: to perform abortions, can you talk to that doctor not
Speaker 1: on the record about whether they'd be willing to do
Speaker 1: that post it being league Like, I mean, the things
Speaker 1: that people are already having to try to comprehend doing,
Speaker 1: you know, just to survive, just to you know, keep
Speaker 1: more women alive and more people with uterus is alive.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot. And yeah, this, when you look
Speaker 1: at something like this, you just seem more and more like,
Speaker 1: you know, what started off as courting evangelicals, the Republicans
Speaker 1: also like, you know what, I think we can also
Speaker 1: use patriarchy of misogyny to get people motivated. It might
Speaker 1: not even be necessarily not Maybe some of the people
Speaker 1: don't really don't care if it's about hell and saving
Speaker 1: a soul. They actually like the idea that we can
Speaker 1: tell somebody with a uterus now you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You can do this though I can't do that, And
Speaker 1: it's just you know, more control. And I think over
Speaker 1: time it morphs into these things, and we're now at
Speaker 1: a point where people are asking, well, what what needs
Speaker 1: to be done. Well, you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been saying from the beginning to expand the court,
Speaker 1: put term limits on these justices and things like that.
Speaker 1: But we still seem to be in a phase where we're,
Speaker 1: you know, where we've been waiting for a response from
Speaker 1: the federal government since that law in Texas passed, and
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was like, just to wait whole government response,
Speaker 1: whole of government response. Yeah, we're about to talk about that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, scary times, especially when you take into account
Speaker 1: to like even before women weren't typically the target of
Speaker 1: prosecution around cases of abortion, and since like they've started
Speaker 1: pushing back laws and in states that seems to be
Speaker 1: the strategy. Is like a woman who comes in with
Speaker 1: a still birth like that gets investigated for what happened
Speaker 1: in her own body. A woman was arrested in Indiana
Speaker 1: like what a year two years ago before having a miscarriage. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the things they're going after, the things that they're
Speaker 1: trying to do, you know, even even just trying to
Speaker 1: do it's right now. Yeah, And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people to like, throughout all this, we're almost like
Speaker 1: we're confused because we're like did we ever actually have progress?
Speaker 1: You know, like are are we still the same country?
Speaker 1: But we the people have moved forward, but the policies haven't,
Speaker 1: and we're constantly having like a reconciliation or reckoning with
Speaker 1: what the messages, what the lived reality is, what the
Speaker 1: sentiment is of people, and how like they or if
Speaker 1: they feel like they're own completely different spaces, like they're
Speaker 1: they're not in agreement? Yeah, and is it like that
Speaker 1: we're taking away? Right? So it's like, you know, to
Speaker 1: be honest, most people never really had a lot of
Speaker 1: these rights anyway, you know when you consider like the
Speaker 1: amount of like recognized safe abortion clinics that were actually
Speaker 1: in the country even after way, even after Row, Like
Speaker 1: what is the situation? And I don't know, Like part
Speaker 1: of me is like, are are we really? Do we
Speaker 1: think of all the progress we've We've definitely made so
Speaker 1: much progress, but there's been so much ship going back
Speaker 1: and forth, Like you take a step forward, you take
Speaker 1: two back, you take three forward, one back, and you're like,
Speaker 1: how much actually have we moved forward? On to continuum?
Speaker 1: And I find myself constantly trying to think about that, Like, right,
Speaker 1: I know, these laws passed and that's good. But I'm
Speaker 1: still looking at statistics of like death rates and other
Speaker 1: things as it relates to a myriad of issues, and
Speaker 1: I'm like where I Yeah, just a difficult time. There's
Speaker 1: a great quote from Marianne Kabba, who's an abolitionist. It
Speaker 1: says hope is a discipline, which I think is you know,
Speaker 1: apt for the times, and I mean, how much progress
Speaker 1: is slow? Unfortunately it doesn't happen rapidly. I think examining
Speaker 1: it as what ground are we not willing to seed
Speaker 1: and how much further can we push for a better
Speaker 1: world for the majority, and focusing really on on that
Speaker 1: kind of hope is good. I think understanding who is
Speaker 1: trying to take away our rights and discerning that from
Speaker 1: you know, what our neighbors. You know, I mean you
Speaker 1: said before, like people are pro abortion, are you know?
Speaker 1: I think I think we have to remember that there's
Speaker 1: more of us and we are stronger in spirit than
Speaker 1: you know. Then they're agreed and it's going to take
Speaker 1: time though, and it might get scary along the way unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, and I think it's it's disheartening to
Speaker 1: when we you know, we're we're sort of indoctrinated with
Speaker 1: this idea that you know, like that we vote the
Speaker 1: people in and then they make the laws to help,
Speaker 1: you know, keep people safe. But all like all we
Speaker 1: read about is the lack of safety we have and
Speaker 1: confused leadership and that really it's such a it's such
Speaker 1: a like defeating thing for a lot of people to
Speaker 1: grasp because we're looking for solutions. But invest time in
Speaker 1: your community, people. I can't stress it strongly enough. Build
Speaker 1: into your own communities because you will have a much
Speaker 1: firmer and clearer idea of what is actually happening around you.
Speaker 1: And when you see frightening change or people trying to
Speaker 1: lead your community and direction that you know is wrong
Speaker 1: or unsafe, you can take action at a local level.
Speaker 1: And I really think that's going to be our solution
Speaker 1: going forward, small local steps, because if they can't touch
Speaker 1: us there, then it's gonna be much harder for them
Speaker 1: to operate on a large scale without us. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: places we've definitely seen progress go in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: Is caging of humans, right, Like in the United States,
Speaker 1: the increased power and you know, budgets and militarization of
Speaker 1: police and like those are human you know, those are
Speaker 1: directly things that are used to take away human rights.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously in the case of caging, like that
Speaker 1: is exactly what it is designed to do. And yeah,
Speaker 1: this this feels like it's part of a larger hole
Speaker 1: and not a necessarily a new thing that is just
Speaker 1: like the result of some extremists on the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: which I feel like it is the way some people
Speaker 1: are are greeting greeting it. Yeah, all right, let's let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back and talk Biden.
Speaker 1: And we're back and Biden that, as we mentioned, promised
Speaker 1: a whole of government response to Texas anti choice laws.
Speaker 1: And then I'll just read from some senators about like
Speaker 1: what what that whole of government response looked like. Not
Speaker 1: a peep, Senator John Tester told The Daily Beast when
Speaker 1: asked if you'd heard anything about the whole of government approach.
Speaker 1: They haven't shared that with me, said Senator Tim Cain,
Speaker 1: and and so forth. There there was nothing. Now they're
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, they're they're starting to have emergency
Speaker 1: meetings with the White House about how to protect abortion access.
Speaker 1: But that before Monday's bombshell leak, they hadn't talked to
Speaker 1: any specifics with with Biden with the administration, and it's like,
Speaker 1: are we surprised given his history historical relationship to the
Speaker 1: concept of abortion. Yeah, So in nineteen four he literally said,
Speaker 1: I don't think that a woman has the soul right
Speaker 1: to say what should happen to her body that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden said that voted against using Medicaid to fund abortions
Speaker 1: and even exceptions for victims of rape and incest in
Speaker 1: addition to concerns for the life of the mother. So
Speaker 1: those were he he voted against taking those exceptions into account,
Speaker 1: and eight one he voted to remove them exceptions in
Speaker 1: what is considered the most far reaching ban on federal
Speaker 1: funds ever enacted to Congress. Voted several times to keep
Speaker 1: federal workers from using health insurance to pay for abortions.
Speaker 1: As president, he did omit omit the High Amendment, which
Speaker 1: denies insurance coverage for abortion through government sponsored plans like Medicaid.
Speaker 1: So he didn't didn't didn't use that in his budgets,
Speaker 1: but he supported the High Amendment as recently as while
Speaker 1: he was campaigning in Yeah, that is yis yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's yeah, there's even a tweet from the Potus
Speaker 1: account to and it's like, all right, we know what
Speaker 1: we gotta do, Like elected officials, we gotta do everything
Speaker 1: we can to make this happen, and the voters got
Speaker 1: to make sure they protect the pro choice politicians and
Speaker 1: elect them. But you also look at the same time,
Speaker 1: like this guy is campaigning for like Henry quay Are,
Speaker 1: who is like an anti choice Democrat, and so I
Speaker 1: was like Jim Clyburn and Nancy Pelosi and the party's
Speaker 1: leadership is getting behind an anti choice Democrat and you know,
Speaker 1: so so it's like hard to so much as self
Speaker 1: inflicted with this too, like we're not like the Democrats
Speaker 1: aren't even consistent, Like the Republicans are like nomen like
Speaker 1: we're like we are anti choice. Democrats are like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like if this guy works for him over there,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but because we gotta win these elections. But
Speaker 1: it's that sort of normalization I think really dulled the
Speaker 1: sense of urgency for Democrats for what the last fifty years, Right,
Speaker 1: So practical practical practicalities and like, uh, following the polling
Speaker 1: and then not following the polling when it means actually
Speaker 1: doing something that helps people. Yeah, it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's cowardly. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I don't even know. I mean it's I mean,
Speaker 1: they're playing in our faces though, like I mean in
Speaker 1: a way that's sort of horror dying in the same
Speaker 1: way that they're doing it with these students. But we
Speaker 1: don't we don't know if we do some loans or not.
Speaker 1: We can't forgive. We're just not sure what would that
Speaker 1: look like. Even we have billions of dollars to do
Speaker 1: I don't know military things, but it couldn't possibly figure
Speaker 1: out how to do this. We can keep delaying them, though, um,
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't just stand up and saying the
Speaker 1: other work because the Republicans will go crazy. We understand
Speaker 1: that the majority of people are pro abortion and believe
Speaker 1: women have rights to their bodies. But what could we
Speaker 1: possibly do. Oh gosh, they promise us they're not going
Speaker 1: to change it, and that that's just law. They said
Speaker 1: it in their hearings, and so we have to believe them.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a constant naivete from them, and I
Speaker 1: think it's famed, which is pretty exhausting and I can't
Speaker 1: understand why other than cowardice, like I have to face
Speaker 1: these people and I don't want them to be mad
Speaker 1: or I'm not sure, you know, people might be mad.
Speaker 1: We really seems to oil down to people might be
Speaker 1: mad at me. And so I can't make these life changing,
Speaker 1: generationally impactful changes that are necessary immediately despite having the
Speaker 1: power to do so. And I think this is in
Speaker 1: general right that we have. We have too many people
Speaker 1: like who are anchors on cable news and who are
Speaker 1: politicians who are so wealthy that they have their their
Speaker 1: their idea of what a working person is is maybe
Speaker 1: when they were twelve, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: they and they're operating from that concept of what it
Speaker 1: means to be a wage worker, what it means to
Speaker 1: be a single parent, and are not fully connected with
Speaker 1: what that reality. I keep saying this over and over.
Speaker 1: That's the big that's that's so clear. That's why they're confused.
Speaker 1: That's why they are like, whoa wait, no, oh this
Speaker 1: I thought I thought this this this ship used to
Speaker 1: work ten years ago. Well, yeah, ten years ago, there
Speaker 1: weren't as many people, really like grappling with their own debt,
Speaker 1: their lack of upward mobility and things like that, and
Speaker 1: there they're now aging into a point where they're a
Speaker 1: larger cohort of people who vote. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the other part we're experiencing too, is like the people
Speaker 1: who represent as a lift have no idea what life
Speaker 1: is like in America, right, and so there's no That's
Speaker 1: why there's no sense of urgency. Everything feels like, from
Speaker 1: well from their perspective, Okay, yeah, this is bad, but
Speaker 1: we can do this, we can do this, we can
Speaker 1: do this. Um yeah, yeah. So I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I think people have made the argument he's not equipped
Speaker 1: to leave this fight, but I I think it's like
Speaker 1: he actively has been working against women's reproductive rights for
Speaker 1: most of his career. So regardless of what he may
Speaker 1: say now, it's pretty clear that there's a reason behind
Speaker 1: his inaction. And I don't know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it gets better if like for political expediency he changes
Speaker 1: and you know, uses this to his advantage. But it's
Speaker 1: pretty fun that we find ourselves in this position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and right now, I think the one
Speaker 1: thing's the only thing that is of benefit is like,
Speaker 1: you know, blue states are codifying those rights and trying
Speaker 1: you know, some you know, some local officials are trying
Speaker 1: to say, like we need to do whatever we can,
Speaker 1: like if we're like a blue state surrounded by red states,
Speaker 1: like how we help people like in Illinois or like
Speaker 1: Maryland where you're like in these places where a lot
Speaker 1: of like you're kind of where people might head to.
Speaker 1: And we and we do see that discussion beginning, but
Speaker 1: that seems to be out of people who understand the
Speaker 1: urgency of it and are connected to those resources and
Speaker 1: trying to move immediately. And then you know, up at
Speaker 1: the highest level, there's just like now we're you know,
Speaker 1: half of the discussion is like who leaked it? Why
Speaker 1: did they leak it? And they're like there's even a
Speaker 1: cynical version of like the Democrats leak it to try
Speaker 1: and like get people to wake up. You That's so
Speaker 1: strange to me because my mind immediately was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so some hero was like not on my watch and
Speaker 1: released the papers. It was like people need to know
Speaker 1: before it becomes in action. But then I saw some
Speaker 1: talking head and I don't remember who it was, but
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, well, maybe the Republicans did it
Speaker 1: so no one could back out maybe the Democrats did
Speaker 1: it as a way of embarrassing the court, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that seems so I mean, even if that
Speaker 1: is the case, it seems so beyond like I don't
Speaker 1: care really like who what the alternative method or reasoning was.
Speaker 1: It just matters that, like that does not happen. If
Speaker 1: we can stop it, if there is any kind of
Speaker 1: way to not make you know, people with Yoush's second
Speaker 1: class citizens, that would be great. It's super awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The New York Times is covering the perception of politicization
Speaker 1: as like I think that was like the top story
Speaker 1: on on Wednesday morning was like people on both sides
Speaker 1: are like dismayed at the growing politicization of the court,
Speaker 1: and you know, suddenly with this leak business, we're seeing
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court that has succumbed to the evil politics
Speaker 1: where their sides and these are you know, supposed to
Speaker 1: be the law priests calling balls and strikes, except you know,
Speaker 1: Alex Schmidt on yesterday's episode was pointed to this thing
Speaker 1: by Ian Millheiser, a book I think they're called this
Speaker 1: thing by Ian Millhuser, a book by E. Millizer called Injustices.
Speaker 1: That's just like kind of a twentieth century history of
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, and it is it's it's very instructive.
Speaker 1: I guess that's like they are almost uniformly pushing in
Speaker 1: the direction of Congress will put something into action, they
Speaker 1: will use that interpretation or that law to like protect
Speaker 1: businesses or corporations. There's like a great anecdote in the
Speaker 1: about or a horrifying anecdote about how like after Congress
Speaker 1: started like putting rulings for like due process into place
Speaker 1: so that like, you know, white supremacist states couldn't just
Speaker 1: use whatever means they wanted to to cage freed slaves.
Speaker 1: They the Supreme Court took that and started applying it
Speaker 1: to like things like a case that came before them
Speaker 1: where eight year old were working in coal mines and
Speaker 1: people are like, that's not okay to have eight year
Speaker 1: olds working in coal mines and like having you know,
Speaker 1: being killed frequently constantly because they're eight and they're working
Speaker 1: in a fucking coal mine. They were like that, you're
Speaker 1: messing with the due process of like the coal corporations,
Speaker 1: or you know, you're messing when some somebody tried to
Speaker 1: get like a sub sixty hour work week and less
Speaker 1: than ten hours in a single day for New York bakers.
Speaker 1: They came through and said that the law violated the
Speaker 1: liberty of bakery owners to negotiate contracts with their employees.
Speaker 1: Like they take the progressive ideas in the government, like
Speaker 1: they are supported by people, and they use it to
Speaker 1: protect corporations. So, by the New York Times logic of
Speaker 1: like politicization being a problem, the Supreme Court is like
Speaker 1: allowed to do a very political thing of siding with
Speaker 1: businesses who make their one percent lifestyle is possible. They're
Speaker 1: just not allowed to disagree with each other publicly. When
Speaker 1: they do that is essentially like the message that that
Speaker 1: is sending down. Yeah, that's that has been their thing.
Speaker 1: They've been pro business, they've been very conservative, and then
Speaker 1: when they occasionally have a liberal or progressive leaning decision,
Speaker 1: it's with fail something that is actually emerging within the public.
Speaker 1: So they're just there to agree with the public and
Speaker 1: like occasionally crystallize things like gay marriage into law after
Speaker 1: people have already you know, come to that decision on
Speaker 1: their own. So they're not really doing anything for us.
Speaker 1: They're just taking away our rights well empowering businesses, and
Speaker 1: that's been the case for the entire twentieth century, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's no branch of government that is
Speaker 1: free of that. Yeah, it's get It's like I said, man,
Speaker 1: these people need to be wearing fucking NASCAR jackets with
Speaker 1: all their fucking donors on it. So when they walk
Speaker 1: into the capital, you're like, Okay, so your fis or
Speaker 1: your Dow Chemicals, your your three M, you're this company.
Speaker 1: Because that is so much of what how and age
Speaker 1: like how someone's votes are determined based on who they're
Speaker 1: beholden to, and I don't know why, there's just that
Speaker 1: we with like there just needs to be again, more
Speaker 1: discussion around how all of this is working, rather than
Speaker 1: treating it like this abstraction that we can't figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on, what's happening? How did how did we
Speaker 1: get here? We fucking know. Because when the power dynamic
Speaker 1: isn't such where politicians are beholden to the people, that
Speaker 1: has been completely obliterated, and votes are just a means
Speaker 1: to an end to legitimize the decisions that these politicians
Speaker 1: make on behalf of their wealthy donors. And that's the
Speaker 1: situation we're in, and it's just going to continue to evolve,
Speaker 1: Like we're saying, like, since you know fucking the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? Hey, what do you know?
Speaker 1: Oh what? They they're they they're making you treat you
Speaker 1: these eight year olds like human workers. No, man, you're
Speaker 1: violating that eight year olds right to exploit themselves out
Speaker 1: of sheer desperation because of a system we help set up.
Speaker 1: Or like some dumbass editors. If you don't want to
Speaker 1: have a baby, don't have sex, sir, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know how anything. No one forced you to
Speaker 1: have sex. Do you have you heard of the term rape?
Speaker 1: Do you know what it means? Like? And then causing
Speaker 1: women to have to like share the horrific stories to
Speaker 1: sort of articulate against your point. It's just because again
Speaker 1: we have a bunch of dudes really making a bulk
Speaker 1: of the decisions, a bulk of white men making the decisions,
Speaker 1: and a ton of white women just supporting that white
Speaker 1: supremacistic goal. Yeah, and everyone's internalized, mysie, like everyone is
Speaker 1: dealing with so much as this is all happening. But again,
Speaker 1: to to it's I think it's just really harmful for
Speaker 1: articles to be written that are like confused or like
Speaker 1: how we got here and we're not constantly like like
Speaker 1: just ringing the alarm that like this is this this
Speaker 1: isn't a representative democracy obviously, but never really was a republic,
Speaker 1: what have you. But it's just a it's a full
Speaker 1: on you know that we have too many corporatized politicians
Speaker 1: now and Washington, DC is merely the venue to help
Speaker 1: set business policy and we're just in real time having
Speaker 1: to react to that, whether it's tax cuts for them
Speaker 1: or cutting off people's health care or whatever. And that's
Speaker 1: the confusion, I think is that we were not the
Speaker 1: mainstream sort of tone on all of this is we've ceased.
Speaker 1: We've for a long time, we have not been a country,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe ever, we've never been a country
Speaker 1: that is looking at every single person that lives here
Speaker 1: as a human being and and that there's a certain
Speaker 1: level of inalienable rights that applies to every single living
Speaker 1: person in the country. Yeah. And this is the one
Speaker 1: thing that is notable about this is that other countries,
Speaker 1: as I think one of you said earlier, like other
Speaker 1: countries have not been moving in this direction on reproductive
Speaker 1: rights and abortion rights, like it really at all and
Speaker 1: suddenly the US is like moving rolling things back in
Speaker 1: a way that you know what, when you read about
Speaker 1: countries that prohibit access to abortion, you like immediately see
Speaker 1: like it's it's a fucking nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1: And the thing that they're trying to institute is a
Speaker 1: absolute nightmare. And like that that would be a great
Speaker 1: front pitch story for The New York Times to tell
Speaker 1: like that this is out of step with everything around
Speaker 1: the world, and like that this is where we are
Speaker 1: now and it makes sense that we're here because of
Speaker 1: the system that we have in place. Mm hmm. And yeah.
Speaker 1: All the while, you know what, the Republicans just continue
Speaker 1: to like end the just in public, be like we
Speaker 1: don't we hate we hate you. If you have a uterus,
Speaker 1: we hate you. If you're not Christian, we ate you.
Speaker 1: If you're not sis gender, we hate you, if you're
Speaker 1: not white. Yep, that's it. We're telling you that that's
Speaker 1: where we're at. And we're and we're like, Okay, somebody
Speaker 1: somebody go toe to toe with this and the the
Speaker 1: I and we're not. We're not seeing the kinds of
Speaker 1: responses that we need and would to be honest, this
Speaker 1: is something that has been a fifty year issue that
Speaker 1: could have been addressed, but just it just seemed I
Speaker 1: think it's beneficial for both sides to kind of keep
Speaker 1: reaching for it. I'm gonna reach. Look, I got that
Speaker 1: thing on me, I could overturn row, and then the
Speaker 1: other versions, like they got that thing on him, they
Speaker 1: could overturn the row, you know. And that's and then
Speaker 1: we just go in circles and and and now we're here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in the meantime, they've readlined us to death. So
Speaker 1: like even if when we try to vote them out
Speaker 1: and my grand voice is heard, it's become statistically challenging
Speaker 1: to do so. And look how quickly we saw DHS
Speaker 1: beating people up who were protests, people who are pro
Speaker 1: abortion out there in l A. I saw the clips
Speaker 1: fucking DHS Goon's rolling out and just what the fuck already,
Speaker 1: But again, they're showing you what to stay, they're showing
Speaker 1: you the steaks already, like when they're okay, so you're
Speaker 1: here for that too. And so that's another thing. Body autonomy,
Speaker 1: you know, police violence, that's don't don't think any of
Speaker 1: that's gonna change, because you're gonna now we're just saying
Speaker 1: we will be met with violence. Even if you're there
Speaker 1: to say I'm I'm not even saying you need less
Speaker 1: money ful. I'm here to say people deserve body autonomy,
Speaker 1: and now you want to fucking rough people up over that. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: Well that's been an episode, Joe, Well that's been Sorry.
Speaker 1: It is always such a pleasure having you on the show. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: E M O and a Q you E. I have
Speaker 1: two tweets I want to share. One's a little dark,
Speaker 1: one's a little hopeful. So here we go. First, one
Speaker 1: comes from Angry Black Lady. That's amount of gandy. She's
Speaker 1: a lawyer, she's pretty dope. When she tweeted this on
Speaker 1: the night of May second, when we found out everything,
Speaker 1: it's just tonight's aject planic makes it clear that people
Speaker 1: aren't ready for what's about to happen. Get ready, get
Speaker 1: your affairs in order figure out whether or not you're
Speaker 1: willing to break the lot of help a friend get
Speaker 1: an abortion, and how far you're willing to go. Response
Speaker 1: to that, someone said, get ready nothing in writing, don't
Speaker 1: say funk about ship over the phone, don't take take
Speaker 1: secrets to the grave. To the grave. We have each
Speaker 1: other's backs. We shut our goddamn mouse. We didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: You don't know anything. You only love people harder than ever,
Speaker 1: which I think is a great message and sort of
Speaker 1: aspirational to hear. A lot of abortion rights activists who've
Speaker 1: been on the ground doing the work for years have
Speaker 1: plans and are ready to go. And along those line.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Gunter, who goes by doctor Jim Gunter on Twitter,
Speaker 1: who is the vagina doctor, and she is amazing. She
Speaker 1: has an incredible podcast. She said, there's something concrete you
Speaker 1: can do today to support abortion. Look up your doctor
Speaker 1: see if they are a member of the a p
Speaker 1: log that is the American Association of Pro Life o
Speaker 1: b g y NS. This is a medical hate group
Speaker 1: that spreads lies about abortions. If your doctor's listed, try
Speaker 1: to get a doctor who isn't. Look it up if
Speaker 1: they took down their logs, But feel free to call
Speaker 1: your doctor and just straight up ask them, give the information,
Speaker 1: share it with people you know who might go to
Speaker 1: that doctor. If we can stop it at least somewhat
Speaker 1: at the source. If you can make sure you have doctor,
Speaker 1: that's an ally that can go along with helping you
Speaker 1: in the future. So some advice. Yeah, Miles, where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
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Speaker 1: I love this bits We're like literally the same person.
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