Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two thirty three,
Speaker 1: Episode four of Thur Daily's I Got You Stay production
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we
Speaker 1: take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is,
Speaker 1: of course Thursday, April National High Five Day that I've
Speaker 1: been just I've been running down the street through a
Speaker 1: NonStop high five layoff line type situations. That's done my day.
Speaker 1: That's how I observed. That's pretty solid. Just forced people in,
Speaker 1: just the framing of hey, right here, put it here,
Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah cool if people like it, when, of course,
Speaker 1: to give me a high five, just have my hand
Speaker 1: out my window when I'm driving down the street, right,
Speaker 1: I try to get some Yeah. Anyways, Happy National High
Speaker 1: five Day to everyone out there who observes. Is is
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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joining our third seed by
Speaker 1: a pH D holder. Yeah, a vice TV correspondent, a
Speaker 1: musician whose music has appeared on HBO. He's contributed to
Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prize winning coverage at the l A Times, and
Speaker 1: he is the host of the podcast Authentic The Story
Speaker 1: of Tableau. It's Dexter Thomas Jr. I appreciate the enthusiastic welcome,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm very happy to be here. What's going on,
Speaker 1: very very happy to have you? Yes, yes, h D
Speaker 1: And Japanese right, Jeff uh kind of almost there were
Speaker 1: halfway there. So I did a dissertation on Japanese hip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but technically it the department is it changed names at
Speaker 1: some point, but basically let's say Asian study. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because when I saw your email back, just I was like,
Speaker 1: he has kanji in his like email header. When I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I guess it is kayo B But
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I looking at? But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I'm so interesting to meet people or so I'm
Speaker 1: have Japanese. Yeah, I liked it. I just it's always
Speaker 1: interesting to see how people there they drink from the
Speaker 1: well of Japanese culture. But I get it was ripped
Speaker 1: slime and Tara Yaki boys a little bit more like
Speaker 1: maybe Buddha brand and mame Cicon something like that. Yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we're in the same We're in the same ballpark, man,
Speaker 1: We're in the same universe. Cool. Cool, That's what I
Speaker 1: was going to guess with my guests for what you
Speaker 1: were into. So that's good, Thank you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I look like a Buddha brand kind of guy to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm more of a DJ Honda kind of
Speaker 1: got my I get that too. So what what's good, dexter?
Speaker 1: What you're you're in l A right now. It seems
Speaker 1: like you're kind of all all over the place. But
Speaker 1: what's what's what's good? What's new? What's up? What's up
Speaker 1: with Tableau? What is up with Tableau? Um? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I think I think he just I think they just
Speaker 1: finished their US tour, I want to say, because their
Speaker 1: last stop was I believe Coachella. Yeah, and so uh
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the show, the show authentic of you know,
Speaker 1: the story of Tableau is uh, you know, the last
Speaker 1: episode dropped, So that's it. So yeah, it's it's been
Speaker 1: a weird read. It's been a wild ride, I should say. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And for people who aren't aren't aware to tell people
Speaker 1: a little bit about why Tableau is an interesting figure
Speaker 1: and you know, to the point where it's we were
Speaker 1: talking about him. We have a podcast because I remember
Speaker 1: when this podcast was first coming up as an idea,
Speaker 1: and we were very like, oh this is I had
Speaker 1: no idea, but this seems very significant but to a
Speaker 1: very specific subset of musical interest. Yeah. Yeah, So so
Speaker 1: Tableau for people. So there'll be people who are listening
Speaker 1: to do it saying I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And then it's basically, I think you're divided into one
Speaker 1: of two camps. Either you know exactly you probably if
Speaker 1: you know who Tableau is, you know about this story already,
Speaker 1: or you've never heard of him. You've never heard the story.
Speaker 1: So essentially, Tableau is the front man of a group
Speaker 1: called Epic High, which when it first started out, it
Speaker 1: started out kind of as this underground hip hop group
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands in Korea, back when I
Speaker 1: mean underground hip hop was even kind of it was
Speaker 1: a little sketchy in the States. I mean you'll remember this,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the college backpacktor style thing. But
Speaker 1: then they started to blow up, and you know, they
Speaker 1: were all over TV, especially Tableau was all over TV.
Speaker 1: And so Tableau had this kind of interesting background in that,
Speaker 1: you know, he was born in Korea, but then he'd
Speaker 1: moved to Canada at a pretty young age, and then
Speaker 1: he went to Stanford and graduated, not only graduated from
Speaker 1: stand for graduated with the bachelors and the masters and
Speaker 1: I think three and a half years. So clearly a
Speaker 1: really smart dude. Yeah, you're clearly really smart dude. And
Speaker 1: so that kind of helped get him this edge in
Speaker 1: the Korean TV because the mainstream didn't really get this
Speaker 1: rap thing, but they were very interested in this guy who's, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: you're really smart and you decided to become a rapper.
Speaker 1: Why You're like, what's what's going on here? And you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny, so he was. He started
Speaker 1: getting booked on TV and but then people realize, oh,
Speaker 1: I actually like the music, so it's they started getting
Speaker 1: really big. Then somebody pops up on a forum saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy Tableau, he didn't really go to Stanford. I
Speaker 1: think he's lying. I think his whole thing is a scam.
Speaker 1: He's scamming us. And most people would think, okay, who
Speaker 1: cares if a rapper went to an elague, who cares? Right?
Speaker 1: All right, whatever, man, But people really cared and it
Speaker 1: turned into this wild conspiracy thing. This is why conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory and and this was in in the earth about
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, going to and going a little bit
Speaker 1: beyond that, and it consumed the news cycle. I mean
Speaker 1: it turned people against each other. Without getting too much
Speaker 1: into it, I mean people went to jail over this, interpolled,
Speaker 1: damn near gotten involved. It was ruining lives. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: like they and they asked him to, you know, release
Speaker 1: his transcripts, right, you know, release the documents, released emails,
Speaker 1: you know, this kind of thing. And he did and
Speaker 1: people said, no, I don't believe you. This reminds me
Speaker 1: of a certain president, and they're The funny thing is
Speaker 1: this was happening right about the time of the birth
Speaker 1: of stuff. It was almost exactly the same time. And
Speaker 1: so the wild thing. So what ends up happening, isn't
Speaker 1: you know, he has to flee the country because people
Speaker 1: were pulling up on this dude's house in harassing streets,
Speaker 1: sending him death threats in his family, death threats again
Speaker 1: once again because they think that a rapper did not
Speaker 1: go to a particular kind of like you ain't no cardinal.
Speaker 1: It was some wild, wild stuff, but yeah, it really
Speaker 1: And there's a whole lot of things in the background
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but that's kind of the gist
Speaker 1: and uh, it's one of those things where when you
Speaker 1: listen to it, it's just yo. Man. If we would
Speaker 1: have been paying attention, maybe we would. I think we
Speaker 1: could have seen some of this, say Q and on
Speaker 1: stuff and all this other sort of thing. We could
Speaker 1: have seen it. We should have seen it a mile
Speaker 1: away if we would have been paying attention to what
Speaker 1: was happening in Japan or excuse me, in Korea, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So, yeah, that's wild. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and the music's good, right yeah? Are you talking about
Speaker 1: the music in the in the podcast or Epico, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so I have to say Epighai actually does
Speaker 1: make some dope stuff. There's a bonus episode where we
Speaker 1: we talk about our favorite tracks or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I do have to say the music shout out to
Speaker 1: k Burdock who who did the soundtrack for it. We
Speaker 1: spent a whole bunch of time actually legit, or he did,
Speaker 1: I should say, he spent a wholere a bunch of
Speaker 1: time making beats for the podcast, so it's all score.
Speaker 1: The theme song is dope. He and I had back
Speaker 1: and forth where I was we were arguing about the
Speaker 1: proper bpm of it. He had it. He added it
Speaker 1: you know a man, when I was just not man,
Speaker 1: you gotta slow it down maximum because I got to
Speaker 1: hear them hit the high hat swing got to something
Speaker 1: like Pete Rock. But yeah, it was it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was cool, So yeah, recommended if it the thing
Speaker 1: that people have called it. People have called it a
Speaker 1: k pop true crime podcast, which I was not happy
Speaker 1: about it first, and then I realized there's sort of right,
Speaker 1: So it's a k pop true kind podcast. But there
Speaker 1: you go. All right, We're gonna get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell our listeners couple of things we're talking about. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about where we're at with student loans forgiveness.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Tucker Carlson apparently too much for
Speaker 1: news Max even they're like, yo, all that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Dexter, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history? Yeah, so if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be totally straight up with you, I will tell
Speaker 1: you the actual last thing that I searched, which is
Speaker 1: I still have the window open because I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to decipher it. It is part of the pronunciation, but
Speaker 1: I typed in asta wil so, which is Spanish grammatically
Speaker 1: is probably wrong, but it's how long basically until when
Speaker 1: can you eat eggs? Basically which you would pass the
Speaker 1: expiration date. So I've been I've been trying to teach
Speaker 1: myself Spanish for there's a few months now, and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's going okay, and I decided, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's time to take the training wheels off. Let's let's
Speaker 1: put let's get some steaks going. So I've got some
Speaker 1: eggs in the frigerator and they're expired, and I want
Speaker 1: to know if I can eat them. So I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me look this up in Spanish.
Speaker 1: If I get it wrong, then something bad happens to me.
Speaker 1: Probably I don't know. I don't know what happens if
Speaker 1: you eat expired eggs, and and I don't know what
Speaker 1: the health implications of this are. So I've been trying
Speaker 1: to read this art and it can't be good as
Speaker 1: far as I can tell. No, it's not good. It's
Speaker 1: not good. So you know, I'm trying to put you know,
Speaker 1: my money where my mouth is, or my physical well
Speaker 1: being where my mouth is so. Yeah, I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: trying to read this article. How long can I wait
Speaker 1: so that I can perhaps eat these eggs or perhaps not?
Speaker 1: You know, obviously I'm aware that the prudent decision would
Speaker 1: be build the way, But I figure, I'm like, you know, testing,
Speaker 1: crack it open. If the smells funky, then that's your
Speaker 1: that's your test, which is just what it says. But
Speaker 1: you know, at least that's what I can make out
Speaker 1: from this article that I'm reading, Right, that's what it says.
Speaker 1: But but you know, I figured, you know, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's let's put it to the test. Let's stop you know,
Speaker 1: none of this duo lingo, none of this stuff on
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, put my life on the line. Let's
Speaker 1: put some real you know, real world applications in here,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, find out, you know, things that
Speaker 1: could actually affect my my well being. What I mean,
Speaker 1: can I and then would you further, if you did
Speaker 1: have any kind of health complications then go to like
Speaker 1: a Spanish speed space air and then try and basically
Speaker 1: be like, what's wrong? You're like, you know me system
Speaker 1: meet the jestive system. I've actually heard from a couple
Speaker 1: of people that sometimes if you get put on hold,
Speaker 1: you know, you just you know, you push number two
Speaker 1: and actually you get somebody quicker. So I'm actually thinking
Speaker 1: that maybe this could actually help me. See, man, this
Speaker 1: could be a thing for me in the future, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. If I'm trying to get help
Speaker 1: for something and then the phone lines are backed up,
Speaker 1: maybe there's somebody and you know who's who's down to
Speaker 1: help me in Spanish? You know, who wants to talk
Speaker 1: to me in English arm because you know, like in
Speaker 1: l A too, Like there's so many languages that they
Speaker 1: have support for, like Vietnamese, Chinese, Russian, Armenian like etcetera.
Speaker 1: You could, you know, you've got some Japanese skills, just
Speaker 1: hit them up in Japanese too. Yeah, man, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know how much actual support there are, how
Speaker 1: how much demand there is for assistance in Japanese. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what that is out here. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like, you know, the Spanish hotlines,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're probably pretty well developed. Hopefully. If
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, that's an obvious absolute crime, and
Speaker 1: you know that should be addressed. But you know, perhaps
Speaker 1: I can avail myself of those services at some point
Speaker 1: if I happened to eat an expired egg because I
Speaker 1: misread the instructions on this website, which seems kind of sketchy,
Speaker 1: but right it should be. Okay, it's an experiment, but
Speaker 1: I'm with Miles man, just just crack it up and
Speaker 1: smell it. I feel like you can smell your way
Speaker 1: out of everything. That everything, It's like, smell is the
Speaker 1: only language that's truly universal. I was raised in a
Speaker 1: house or my mom was always like American people don't
Speaker 1: label stuff correctly, like that's still good, you can still
Speaker 1: eat it, like or people my friends will come over
Speaker 1: and like, you're not refrigerating that thing on your stove.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we don't refrigerate ship all the time in Japan.
Speaker 1: So I'm this is a this is a thing is
Speaker 1: normal to me, and you're gonna get sick. So I've
Speaker 1: always grown up with this thing of like you gotta
Speaker 1: test it, you gotta test it. And the smells. I remember,
Speaker 1: especially when I moved out of the house, I would
Speaker 1: call my mom be like the exact same thing, Hey,
Speaker 1: how many days past the thing? Can I do this?
Speaker 1: And her things like does this smell fucked up. It's
Speaker 1: like if if if anything goes off in your nose
Speaker 1: when you smell it, that's the best sign, Like if
Speaker 1: any if, if it's if you're not comfortable with the
Speaker 1: house smells, don't even worry about even if it's on
Speaker 1: point with the date. Just but anyway, that's not real
Speaker 1: advice from a medical professional, right. I mean I also
Speaker 1: realized that I am I am taking I am taking
Speaker 1: advice from just a blogger. So you know, your advice
Speaker 1: is just as good as probably this sketchy website that
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. You trust my mom or your trust
Speaker 1: some blogger? Okay, yeah, well you know, I mean honestly,
Speaker 1: perhaps you mom, I don't know, thank you, right, answer
Speaker 1: with that Mom's for I don't know, thousands of years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: bloggers only. Yeah, where's that podcast where it's like the
Speaker 1: Counsel of thank You, the Council of Moms. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a fucked up conservative group, but uh, it almost
Speaker 1: definitely is exists. It exists. That was That was perhaps
Speaker 1: one of the things that freaked me out the most
Speaker 1: when I was in Japan once was everything was okay, man,
Speaker 1: you know sushi, you know what I mean? They gave me,
Speaker 1: you know, tacos so octopus or whatever. I was. I
Speaker 1: was cool with that. When somebody cracked the egg on rice,
Speaker 1: I was just yo, I thought they were trolling me.
Speaker 1: I really thought they were playing with me. They did
Speaker 1: it for me, and they cracked you know, the egg
Speaker 1: on the I I would try this, you eat it? No, no,
Speaker 1: you eat it. Show show me that this is something
Speaker 1: that you do. And then all, yeah, granted, I ate it.
Speaker 1: And I was just, oh, this is this is amazing,
Speaker 1: you know at the time, but yeah, that's one that
Speaker 1: would freak my friends out too. They're like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get sick. I'm like, and you will get out my face,
Speaker 1: put some soy sauce in it, and you will fucking
Speaker 1: wake up to the fucking truth about this exactly. And
Speaker 1: I did. I did. But the first time, he's, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's something. I mean, the Americans were were weird
Speaker 1: about eggs, man, I don't know what it is. One
Speaker 1: refrigeration too, because a lot of other countries don't refrigerate
Speaker 1: their eggs. And I remember like going abroad with kids
Speaker 1: for the first time, the eggs are like, oh is
Speaker 1: that okay? And that yes, yes, it's same same thing.
Speaker 1: I had that same experience yet seeing people doing that,
Speaker 1: it's seen people not refrigerating eggs. It's just that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's because Americans, because the factory farming Americans
Speaker 1: clean the cuticle off the egg, and therefore, like our
Speaker 1: eggs are funed and need the refrigeration. That is a
Speaker 1: fact that I learned from Council of Moms, which is
Speaker 1: a is a Facebook group where we are a council
Speaker 1: of young moms who have committed to praying for our sisters.
Speaker 1: The Council of Moms on Facebook Moms, God bless the
Speaker 1: count they're for us. What is something you think is overrated? Overrated?
Speaker 1: There's a few things. I think that police intelligence is overrated, actually,
Speaker 1: and I can explain this. This is the sort of
Speaker 1: thing where people say, oh, you know, cops are dumb
Speaker 1: or whatever, which you know, I think that's not really
Speaker 1: necessarily the case all the time. But I've seen if
Speaker 1: y'all seen this thing where police are playing copyrighted music
Speaker 1: to attempt to get the present prevent people from filming
Speaker 1: them and keeping the copyright, you know, basically on YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very recently, Yeah, with this exact same fun. It keeps happening.
Speaker 1: It keeps happening. And the first and the first time
Speaker 1: was I want to say it was in February of
Speaker 1: last year, and it was you know, them playing Sublime,
Speaker 1: playing the Beatles and stuff like that. And then so
Speaker 1: you probably know, the most recent one was sant Anna.
Speaker 1: Do you'all talk about that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: it was just, yo, that's not how this works at all.
Speaker 1: And but that being said, a lot of people do
Speaker 1: think that's how it works, right, But but this is
Speaker 1: something where you would think that I would imagine not
Speaker 1: to give anybody on ideas, but I would imagine the
Speaker 1: police departments at some point would have sent out a
Speaker 1: memo to there, you know, to the employees saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: not only is this a bad idea, it doesn't actually work,
Speaker 1: So don't what people keep doing. It's been a year
Speaker 1: since the first one and we're talking about this keeps happening,
Speaker 1: specifically in California, and he's happening really close to each other,
Speaker 1: so it's not like some far off land. It's just
Speaker 1: y'all haven't got the memo yet. You still trying to
Speaker 1: you're trying to play mulan were a crime solving and
Speaker 1: the only people who are deputized to like use murder
Speaker 1: like at their own discretion to people who have the
Speaker 1: analytical nose for the truth of my aunt who sends
Speaker 1: me email forwards, Like that's that's where they're at. That
Speaker 1: is their fact checking processes. Just like somebody sent me
Speaker 1: this where I saw a viral video and didn't even think, wait,
Speaker 1: this viral video is up and the music is playing work.
Speaker 1: It did not work? If yeah, there's like I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it also speaks to how the impunity at
Speaker 1: which they operate at, you know, like they really don't
Speaker 1: feel like they no one can hold them to account,
Speaker 1: and so when they do stuff like this, like these
Speaker 1: blatant tricks to obscure their behavior, it's like that's like you,
Speaker 1: you know, buying burner phones for your illicit drug operation.
Speaker 1: But then be like, now, these burner phones are just
Speaker 1: other phones I use. They're not to cover up anything,
Speaker 1: whereas this is so aggressively meant to be like I'm
Speaker 1: playing this music, so you can't actually broadcast to anyone
Speaker 1: how I'm you know, transgressing in any way. And that's
Speaker 1: the solution to this is merely to just do this,
Speaker 1: and there's the same thing that we're saying. It's like
Speaker 1: you might as well put a scheme mask on to
Speaker 1: take your badge off, be like, I don't know who
Speaker 1: I am and I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's and that's the wild thing is every
Speaker 1: single time that this has been observed, they've all been
Speaker 1: doing something really innocuous, just sitting around. There's never been
Speaker 1: at least, you know, as far as we've seen, because
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it would of work, maybe it's worked
Speaker 1: at some point, but it's not like they were doing
Speaker 1: something really sensitive. It's always been just some dudes sitting
Speaker 1: around in station and they feel annoyed that there's an
Speaker 1: activist in there, and they start turning on some tunes.
Speaker 1: It's you know, but then that brings you to, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what if Derek Chauvin would have turned on the squad
Speaker 1: car radio and it would have worked, right, which is
Speaker 1: what you know, obviously, I think is when people are
Speaker 1: really concerned about this, that's what's concerning them. But it's
Speaker 1: just it's wild to me that this continues to happen
Speaker 1: because it's such an obviously bad idea. There's no, there's
Speaker 1: no reasonable explanation for it, but they keep doing it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, but
Speaker 1: I guess it's when the Santa and One happened. I
Speaker 1: was really just we're still doing this, y'all are still
Speaker 1: doing this. So yeah, somebody's got to do a movie.
Speaker 1: A movie scene where like it's that scene where like
Speaker 1: there's twenty different people scrambling up the fire escape and
Speaker 1: like getting ready to repel down and then they just
Speaker 1: like turn on. We don't talk about Bruno like before,
Speaker 1: right before they do it, and like the bad guys
Speaker 1: are like, it's what I'm talking about, Bruno, Like they're coming.
Speaker 1: I could definitely, I don't know, I could see that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. That'd be yeah, dark, very dark. But
Speaker 1: I like that's what your mind went, is this. This
Speaker 1: is well known enough that we could make this a
Speaker 1: plot point and the very observant would know exactly what's
Speaker 1: going on. Well, like because the like gritty, supposedly realistic
Speaker 1: cop movies are always you know, at least they have
Speaker 1: like some guy who's like I'm a true detective, like
Speaker 1: I'm good police, and it's like no they're idiots like that.
Speaker 1: I want a gritty police drama where it's like, these
Speaker 1: guys are fucking dumb. Your holy sh it. What's something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Overall? I think being nice is
Speaker 1: un rated. But specifically, I think being being nice to
Speaker 1: video game developers, I think it's really underrated. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we can't just be nice to people who
Speaker 1: made games for us. What specific bit of outraised are
Speaker 1: you referencing all of them? Basically? I mean there there's
Speaker 1: one specifically that legit I basically started. Y'all played Halo Infinite.
Speaker 1: I played a little bit of it. Yeah, okay yo.
Speaker 1: That fan base is so toxic. I had to stop playing. Man,
Speaker 1: it's so bad. If you, I mean obviously read it,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe just don't go on Reddit period. But
Speaker 1: I started getting really, really in a Halo man. I
Speaker 1: was playing so much. I probably put in a hundred
Speaker 1: fifty hours over the course of maybe a month or
Speaker 1: some chance. I was putting work, man, and I was
Speaker 1: getting all right, and you know, you're playing the game
Speaker 1: and you want to learn, you just oh, maybe I
Speaker 1: can find some tips online or something like that. And
Speaker 1: so you know there's people who are posting clips and
Speaker 1: stuff like that on YouTube, And of course I always
Speaker 1: read the comments because people add stuff in or whatever. Yo,
Speaker 1: every all of it. If you look up things, you'll
Speaker 1: learn something in the videos. Oh here's how to do
Speaker 1: this trick, or here's here's here's a strategy for this
Speaker 1: map or whatever. But man, all the comments are just man,
Speaker 1: these devs, they don't even care about X Y Z
Speaker 1: and man, I remember when devs used to care about
Speaker 1: the craft of making video games. Just bro, have you
Speaker 1: ever played Karate Kid for Nintendo? Have you played the
Speaker 1: X Men game Nintendo? Like, do you know what? You know?
Speaker 1: What I mean? And it's but and then the other
Speaker 1: wild thing is all that toxicity. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: somehow it's got to be feeding it, you know, if
Speaker 1: it turns into this vac or this kind of spiral, right,
Speaker 1: and then the people making videos that be saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's this trick on how you can catch somebody by
Speaker 1: surprise if you go around the corner. But also, you what, man,
Speaker 1: forget this game. These devs are terrible. Maybe the fixed,
Speaker 1: but I really don't think they are. Bro. You're making
Speaker 1: a living on making content about Halo. And then what happens, yo,
Speaker 1: I promise you. Man. Right after this is I'm watching
Speaker 1: all these Halo videos and then the algorithm YouTube algorithm
Speaker 1: kicks in, right, So first I watch a few Halo
Speaker 1: videos and it says, oh, you're interested in Halo, should
Speaker 1: start showing me some more Halo videos, right, And then
Speaker 1: it says, hey, perhaps you'd like these Joe Rolet experienced click.
Speaker 1: And then it says perhaps you'd like this Jordan Peter too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then one would you would you like to see
Speaker 1: a compilation of Ben Shapiro owning college Liberals? And it's
Speaker 1: just yo, just like the pipeline from just Halo two,
Speaker 1: just be trying to play some regular, regular video games,
Speaker 1: just going straight, just off the deep end, man, is
Speaker 1: It's it's bad. I'm just I'm just trying to play
Speaker 1: some video games. We gotta be nice to these people
Speaker 1: and they're trying to make games for us, if only
Speaker 1: how are you gonna It's like getting mad at like
Speaker 1: somebody at a company who's like they're not really calling
Speaker 1: the shots. I do like the the the amount of
Speaker 1: work developers have to put in, like the fucked up
Speaker 1: work practices and being like, okay, so we're behind on
Speaker 1: this game or like we're not on schedule, y'all are
Speaker 1: gonna have to work yourselves into the ground to deliver
Speaker 1: a thing that is then going to get people are
Speaker 1: gonna get mad at because we didn't give you guys
Speaker 1: adequate time to even program the game. Like there's like
Speaker 1: this whole the way the industry works is only exacerbating
Speaker 1: that too. And I think that's why the people more
Speaker 1: people aren't aware. It's like, yo, get mad at the
Speaker 1: at the company first, not the the individual developers first.
Speaker 1: Why is happening harassing the developers and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: And and that's I mean, it's precisely like that. We're
Speaker 1: just now getting the point where you know, video game
Speaker 1: reporters will report on the labor practices of the company, right,
Speaker 1: and then you'll see that. Then you'll see the fans
Speaker 1: of the game get mad insane, Yo, why are you
Speaker 1: talking about that? You know, get bring my game out faster?
Speaker 1: Just chill. They're working eighty hour weeks, they're not getting paid. Well,
Speaker 1: just about this. Then don't buy the game? Yeah you so,
Speaker 1: then shut up, do something else. Read a book. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Oh there's so many good books. Have you guys heard
Speaker 1: of these things. Books. I just read a book what
Speaker 1: I was on vacation, read this classic novel. It's the
Speaker 1: Prima Guide to tomb Raid or to on PlayStation. Just
Speaker 1: classical literature, you know what I mean. Amazing, amazing. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So yeah, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you know a game developer, just you know,
Speaker 1: give him, give him a hug, or or just don't
Speaker 1: that thing you were going to tweet at them, just don't.
Speaker 1: You could not tweet at them, not if you have
Speaker 1: to tat say hey, I know this isn't your fault,
Speaker 1: but I'm still a piece of ship and I will
Speaker 1: go on with this tweet exactly. By the way, the
Speaker 1: YouTube trying to take you from like complaints about Halo
Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan to Ben Shapiro is the past again
Speaker 1: where we're retracing what led us to Q and on
Speaker 1: like right there, right, yeah, yeah. Something about being mad
Speaker 1: at video games just really seguays nicely into authoritarianism and
Speaker 1: the death of America. It's weird. It's it's yeah, here,
Speaker 1: we are, here, we are. I feel that way about
Speaker 1: like a lot of culture. I feel like, well, watching
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs and just like so much of the
Speaker 1: Twitter commentary is just people being like you did that
Speaker 1: on purpose? He sucks, This is bullshit, Like he doesn't
Speaker 1: stack up with Jordan's is just like, yo, what the
Speaker 1: funk is wrong with everybody? Like this is just fun?
Speaker 1: Like these guys are fucking performing miracles thinking in front
Speaker 1: of you for your entertainment. It happens all the time, right,
Speaker 1: is like there are things that bring you joy, and
Speaker 1: then when it's not hitting the same for you, like
Speaker 1: you get really it's it's like fucking you get confused
Speaker 1: and you start being like, well now I'm angry at
Speaker 1: the fucking thing that doesn't give me as much joy,
Speaker 1: rather than taking a second be like, hold on, this
Speaker 1: might be other things happening. It's not just that the
Speaker 1: devs fucking sucking or hate me or don't care. Right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come right
Speaker 1: back and talk about student loans. And we're back, and
Speaker 1: there there's a debate swirling these days as it relates
Speaker 1: to student loan debt forgiveness, and you know Biden's poll numbers,
Speaker 1: So people are like, hey, remember this idea that you
Speaker 1: said you were gonna do and then said you weren't
Speaker 1: going to do a little bit ago like maybe we
Speaker 1: maybe we're taken another look at that. Yeah, and right now,
Speaker 1: the you know there there have been some steps this
Speaker 1: week where they're forgiving forty thousand student loans and trying
Speaker 1: to provide aid to millions more, but it's falling short
Speaker 1: of like the kind of debt forgiveness that we were
Speaker 1: talking about, right and in general, to you know, shore
Speaker 1: up people's funds so they are able to you know,
Speaker 1: move on with their lives and not just be saddled
Speaker 1: with student debt. And like I was like just this week,
Speaker 1: like you can already see even like with you know
Speaker 1: out like news outlets that are more focused towards like
Speaker 1: Democrats that the more moderate centrist corporate dem takes are
Speaker 1: being like, sure, you could cancel student debt, but then
Speaker 1: like what I mean, it's just a band aid fixed
Speaker 1: and like plus, like a lot of people are gonna
Speaker 1: get mad because like they're gonna be like what about
Speaker 1: my you know, what about my issues and sort of
Speaker 1: leaving it there. You have also then the progressives who
Speaker 1: are like you need to cancel this. That's a thing
Speaker 1: we've been talking about for so long it's holding so
Speaker 1: many people back, not just young people, but people there
Speaker 1: are people like the people who owe the like the
Speaker 1: people thirty five and up own just a slight majority
Speaker 1: of the actual all of the student debt that's owed
Speaker 1: right now, and then even then a lot of those
Speaker 1: people like or more on their loans still still being
Speaker 1: in the thirty five and up cohort. So this kind
Speaker 1: of thing is just going back and forth and back
Speaker 1: and forth, and I think the issue is like it's
Speaker 1: starting to become it's reminded me of like the just
Speaker 1: the idea of police reform, and then you've got this
Speaker 1: one term or phrase defund the police, which in general
Speaker 1: people like, yes, but if you're not savvy enough to
Speaker 1: understand the nuance behind it, you're just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: defund the police, then nobody, No police will show up
Speaker 1: when there's crying. And with this canceling student debt, I
Speaker 1: think people are looking at the same thing, which is like, well,
Speaker 1: you cancel student debt, than then what Well, it's what
Speaker 1: people have been saying since the beginning, what activists have
Speaker 1: been saying since the beginning, which is we need to
Speaker 1: actually look at every the entire educational system, and the
Speaker 1: financial system that is used for people to attain higher education.
Speaker 1: This is all part of a larger conversation because tuitions
Speaker 1: have skyrocketed and we're not we're not just tackling from
Speaker 1: like we'll get let these people get some free money.
Speaker 1: It's we need to even think of what does it
Speaker 1: mean to get a college degree, who should have who
Speaker 1: has access to it? If you want to learn a trade,
Speaker 1: that it shouldn't set you back for decades because you're
Speaker 1: simply trying to like learn some life skills to to
Speaker 1: better yourself. And I think that's what's kind of like
Speaker 1: missing in a lot of the discussions. But I think
Speaker 1: I think I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's really clear that one side is really trying to
Speaker 1: make it seem that this is actually it's gonna backfire
Speaker 1: on Joe Biden if he does this when I really
Speaker 1: have trouble understanding how that works. Yeah, the the reform,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a strong man thing where
Speaker 1: they're like, well, by reform, you're gonna just make everybody mad.
Speaker 1: And because because they're assuming, like all all the the
Speaker 1: dumb things that could go wrong with it, like all
Speaker 1: the worst versions of it there's there's there's like this
Speaker 1: Brookings Institute study that a lot of these people reference, right,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, they're like, well, look at the
Speaker 1: like you. They'll hear this talking point. They'll say, well,
Speaker 1: twenty like the highest earning of student loan borrowers holdt
Speaker 1: of the debt, so it's gonna it's gonna benefit wealthy
Speaker 1: people too much. Okay, by that logic, hold seventy percent,
Speaker 1: the lower eight percent hold seventy of the debt. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, I'm like that that. I think that
Speaker 1: actually benefits a plurality of people that that wouldn't otherwise
Speaker 1: be you know, able to pay their debts. And I
Speaker 1: get this sort of nuance of saying like, there are
Speaker 1: people who go to medical school and now they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're set up to make millions over time, so their
Speaker 1: debt isn't as big of an issue. And sure you
Speaker 1: can look at that and try and find a way
Speaker 1: to at least address the people who are the most
Speaker 1: crippled by their debt. I think that's completely fair and
Speaker 1: I think that that's worthwhile. But to then just sort
Speaker 1: of end the conversation there, rather than the larger conversation,
Speaker 1: just higher education has become a runaway train of like
Speaker 1: high tuitions. The financial system is predatory, and we're holding
Speaker 1: generations back and we're not treating it like a systemic issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a mess, man. I mean, even because before
Speaker 1: I was doing the journalism thing, man, you know, I
Speaker 1: was strictly you know, working on a PhD and you know,
Speaker 1: finish that, and I watched people. I mean, first off,
Speaker 1: I used to give people. People would ask me for advice.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, I'm thinking about getting a PhD. You
Speaker 1: know my advice and anybody listen, don't why why would
Speaker 1: you do that? You know, I'm happy with what I
Speaker 1: have or whatever, but you know, why would you do it?
Speaker 1: And even for college it's I look at how I
Speaker 1: look at the people who were coming in and kind
Speaker 1: of the expectations that they have that they're just going
Speaker 1: to have be able to live after they leave, and
Speaker 1: they're more and more concerned. The last class I take
Speaker 1: was over the summer, and I mean you could see
Speaker 1: if the students are they're nervous, man, because they know
Speaker 1: they're taking on all this debt, and it affects the
Speaker 1: way even just the way that they're able to choose
Speaker 1: classes and stuff like that, and yeah, man, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's weird that I suppose. I'm not surprised though, that
Speaker 1: this the possibility of you know, relieving student debt came
Speaker 1: up and then it went away pretty quickly. That that
Speaker 1: didn't shock me, all right, you know, perhaps it's disappointing,
Speaker 1: so I would say, but but it's I didn't. I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised, right, I mean, I think and there's like
Speaker 1: this whole thing too. It's like, well, just don't even
Speaker 1: it's gonna be too opportunistic or whatever they think. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's so as lying to people to get to vote
Speaker 1: for you. So I don't know what what what the
Speaker 1: argument is there. But like then they even the other
Speaker 1: you know, Democrats are like, well, Republicans you can already
Speaker 1: see the headlines being written that you know, this is
Speaker 1: clearly just meant to benefit the elites. Like Republicans go
Speaker 1: to college too, and they also have student debt, and
Speaker 1: student debt relief is polling at much higher levels than
Speaker 1: the fucking tax cuts from yet they still went through
Speaker 1: with that ship. So there's a lot of like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of disingenuous talking points coming out, but like
Speaker 1: if you really take some of these like moderate Democrats
Speaker 1: that their word were like they're saying, you can't just
Speaker 1: cancel it. There's like so many other things. It's a
Speaker 1: band aid fix. You're right, So you're saying that we
Speaker 1: need to address not just canceled it like a forgive
Speaker 1: this debt, but we also need to address the underlying
Speaker 1: problems because this is a systemic issue and a band
Speaker 1: aid fix won't work. Similar to like when a police
Speaker 1: departments like, oh, we just need to ban choke holts. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's it's just the choke holts. No, it's not just
Speaker 1: the choke call is this is a systemic issue that
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed. And I think people that the conversation,
Speaker 1: I think moderates are doing a really good job of
Speaker 1: just framing it as these people want free money and
Speaker 1: Republicans are gonna and working class people are gonna be
Speaker 1: so pissed when this happens, rather than like the the
Speaker 1: reform that I think a lot of people were thinking
Speaker 1: of when this administration was potentially going to come to power,
Speaker 1: of like are we going to actually take a look
Speaker 1: at community college who gets to get an education if
Speaker 1: they want to and have a reality where that is
Speaker 1: the norm. Yeah, I mean the price of even just
Speaker 1: here in the California, the price of the U s
Speaker 1: IS is just skyrocketing continually, continually, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's viewed as a ticket to have a decent middle
Speaker 1: class life. But it's just okay if you don't buy
Speaker 1: that ticket. A lot of people feel like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: I'm stuck. But you'll have you'll seen um, have you'all
Speaker 1: seen paid Off? The game show that Michael Torpi did. No, yo,
Speaker 1: so this is some real So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: it's on anymore, but for a while it was a
Speaker 1: game show and I forget what channel was on, but
Speaker 1: it was done. The host is Michael Torpy, so he
Speaker 1: was an origin of New Black and and I think
Speaker 1: he was in a Haynes commercial also. But basically, the
Speaker 1: the conceit of the show is you would go on
Speaker 1: and if you win in the game, if you win
Speaker 1: the game show, they pay for your student debt for you. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's the entire conceit of the show. And it's super
Speaker 1: It's so it's very just you know, boring dystopia vibes
Speaker 1: but I'm sort of surprised. I really wish it would
Speaker 1: come back because I feel like that would It was
Speaker 1: so obviously just depressing to watch because you know, it
Speaker 1: was a fun game show. It's a very standard It
Speaker 1: was a very standard game show. You would ask me
Speaker 1: really just softball questions, because the thing is he actually
Speaker 1: wanted people to win, but only one person out of
Speaker 1: the three would win. But it would just be, yeah,
Speaker 1: my name's Michelle, and I have to to debt. Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is Robert. I have student debt, and you
Speaker 1: would just hope, well, I hope Robert wins man, because
Speaker 1: go Robert, you know what I mean. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was just watching that stuff. I don't I feel
Speaker 1: like we we've gotten into this part of the conversation
Speaker 1: where it's it turns into and where I see the
Speaker 1: conversation going often is man, you know, what about personal responsibility?
Speaker 1: What about personal accountability? It's just, man, what about being
Speaker 1: trapped in a system and lied in a lied to
Speaker 1: in a system and being given no other choice? What
Speaker 1: about that? And you know, if you I see people saying, yo,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this is my personal opinion, man,
Speaker 1: But you know, if I have my student loans paid off,
Speaker 1: and then and then they cancel student debt. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be mad. It's just good. I'm glad. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that I was able to when the people who couldn't
Speaker 1: can do it. The kind of person gets mad about that,
Speaker 1: that's such an odd thing to get angry over. But well,
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, being humane is like a
Speaker 1: zero sum game to Americans. You know that there's not
Speaker 1: like in abundance of understanding human beings could tap into.
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, then if we start doing that
Speaker 1: and there's nothing for me when I'm it's like, what
Speaker 1: the funk are we talking about? Like the focus of
Speaker 1: most people's lives should be, well, how can I like,
Speaker 1: how can I make life easier for myself for other people?
Speaker 1: And you know, if if why should I get in
Speaker 1: the way of somebody, you know, like somebody's life getting
Speaker 1: eas especially it doesn't impact me negatively. And just because
Speaker 1: I was like on this timeline before, this person isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily what's going to make me insense. It's like you
Speaker 1: would look back and say, wow, that's I'm so glad
Speaker 1: the future doesn't have to endure that because this ship
Speaker 1: is fucked up. Yeah. I mean it's like it's like
Speaker 1: driving home with you know, thingful the groceries in your
Speaker 1: in your Cadillac, and you drive by a soup kitchen
Speaker 1: and you just get mad. There's a soup kitchen. Just bro,
Speaker 1: you don't need the soup kitchen. Right, It's all right,
Speaker 1: you got soup in your car. Right, Why do they
Speaker 1: get soup? It's just bro, because they need soup. Let
Speaker 1: them have some SUP. It's cool. It's not you need soup.
Speaker 1: What's your problem? If you need sup, pull out. But
Speaker 1: if you don't keep driving, bro, you're fine. The fucking movement,
Speaker 1: I think in that rip up that applies to fucking
Speaker 1: every single issue most people have where they're like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe that they're gonna let uh, they're gonna teach
Speaker 1: some kids whatever the funk they think is going to happen.
Speaker 1: And you think that, like I get that in their
Speaker 1: mind they think it's a direct line to the degradation
Speaker 1: of Western civilization or whatever. But it but it's not
Speaker 1: affecting you. This These aren't the things that affect you,
Speaker 1: and they've and so often people get so focused on
Speaker 1: the wrong things that are like actually not affecting them
Speaker 1: at the expense of bringing attention to the ship that
Speaker 1: is affecting them right right, And it's just like our
Speaker 1: system is broken by inequality, and like anything that is
Speaker 1: going to like get rid of that, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: the fact that you are rooting for the money of
Speaker 1: people who are in debt to go to like money
Speaker 1: lending like banks, Like what the I don't know. It
Speaker 1: just it seems people need to start taking more of
Speaker 1: a holistic view to the system because the systems in
Speaker 1: really fucking bad shape right now. And but and I
Speaker 1: think this is the this is the part that they
Speaker 1: have to figure out, right, is I get that the
Speaker 1: optics of forgiving student debt would too many people just
Speaker 1: seem like, well, I didn't vote to college, so I
Speaker 1: don't fucking benefit from that. What the fuck do I
Speaker 1: have to look forward to? And I think that's why
Speaker 1: everything that was being you know, dangled in front of
Speaker 1: voters for the presidential election gave people a thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe I didn't go to college, but oh look,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some child tax credits. They'll be some
Speaker 1: you know, free pre K, some childcare. I benefit from that.
Speaker 1: There was something for everybody to not look at well,
Speaker 1: this only benefits this group. And I think when you
Speaker 1: don't have a real policy to tackle inequality that will
Speaker 1: really benefit like, you know, a plurality of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can get stuck in these little moments you're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're only selectively addressing inequality rather than really saying this
Speaker 1: is a this is an issue we're trying to do.
Speaker 1: We're trying to work every lover we can to make
Speaker 1: life easier, rather than getting me like, Okay, let's get
Speaker 1: hung up on this issue until it's really beneficial for
Speaker 1: us politically, right before a mid term to then say,
Speaker 1: all right, forgiving, get out there and vote. Or here's
Speaker 1: some weed legalization or whatever they have in their backpocket,
Speaker 1: which we constantly think, we're always being like okay, when
Speaker 1: when's the scandal gonna come where they are like, okay,
Speaker 1: here's a smoke bomb for y'all, now look at that. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk Tucker. We're talking Tucker, and we're back. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so Tucker Carlson, I don't know. I was shocked by,
Speaker 1: like I only watch clips of his show when I
Speaker 1: absolutely have to, and there was some context where I
Speaker 1: saw his defense of Putin where he was like, has
Speaker 1: Putin never called me racist? Has does Putin eat dogs?
Speaker 1: Was literally what he followed that up with. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: just like straight up getting mad that someone called him racist,
Speaker 1: well in the same breath saying the most racist shit ever.
Speaker 1: But he is caping hard, like he just he really
Speaker 1: likes Putin and wants wants the world to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it made sense kind of back then,
Speaker 1: you know, a trumpet office and everything about the conservative
Speaker 1: media was like trying to normalize Putin. But we're in
Speaker 1: a very different situation now, and you know, not everyone
Speaker 1: on Fox or even the right wing media's fair is
Speaker 1: really even parroting this take anymore. Like, in fact, the
Speaker 1: ones that do are typically shouted down, Like you know,
Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne was like, I mean, Zolensky is a thug,
Speaker 1: and like the leadership was like, yo, shut the funk up,
Speaker 1: and I'm Kevin McCarthy, I'm I'm a fucking ghoul, and
Speaker 1: I'm we can't be talking like that, even if we
Speaker 1: do believe it. Low key, we just were smart enough
Speaker 1: to understand how the media works. But Newsmax. However, Fucking
Speaker 1: Newsmax seems to really, you know, kind of be grossed
Speaker 1: out by Tucker's Kremlin crooning that he's been engaging, and
Speaker 1: in particular, one of their anchors, Eric Bowling, had like
Speaker 1: things to say just straight to Tucker during his show,
Speaker 1: and he had recently finished an interview with Vladimir Klitchko,
Speaker 1: whose brother Vitali Klitchko, is the mayor of Kiev. And
Speaker 1: also you probably remember the Klitchko bro Yeah, the boxers,
Speaker 1: those guys, one of them is now the mayor of
Speaker 1: Keiv if you didn't know. But after google the picture
Speaker 1: of them next to Sylvester Stallone's yah, he comes up
Speaker 1: to their hip like they are the they broke heavyweight
Speaker 1: boxing by just being so much bigger than everybody them
Speaker 1: and Lenox Lewis was crazy and like and they're like
Speaker 1: super intelligent too, like you're just anyway, they're like superhuman.
Speaker 1: So after this interview, Vladimir came onto Eric Bowling show
Speaker 1: on Newsmax and was essentially just getting him up to
Speaker 1: speed on all the horrors that have been committed by
Speaker 1: the Russians, the killings of civilians, what had happened in
Speaker 1: places like Bucha, and Bowling was affected by this, you know,
Speaker 1: interview and apparently just decided He's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I gotta talk. I gotta address Tucker Carlson like after
Speaker 1: this basically saying, hey, knock it off with this ship.
Speaker 1: So here is fucking Eric Bowling of Newsmax just trying
Speaker 1: to reason with Tucker Carlson. The week's past, I could
Speaker 1: see why it was best to not even address Russia's
Speaker 1: blatant propaganda. But now, after what we're seeing in Bucha,
Speaker 1: things are different. Everything is different. Now this is a
Speaker 1: turning point in history. Now. I'm not here to slam Tucker.
Speaker 1: I have the utmost respect for him. But Tucker, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be associated with this. Certainly don't want
Speaker 1: to be it to be part of your legacy, to
Speaker 1: be associated with a war criminal and evil madman committing
Speaker 1: blatant genocide and atrocities just across the ocean. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be associated with that in any way. The
Speaker 1: video is heartbreaking, Tucker. You're even seeing these images that
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's it's unbelievable. And after talking to Ukrainians
Speaker 1: like Vladimir Klitchko, we did right here on the show,
Speaker 1: so he kind of goes on, this is sort of
Speaker 1: like this is the same it please Ducker Carlson. Now,
Speaker 1: this is odd coming from news Max, who is all
Speaker 1: was all in on every single right wing nonsense talking point,
Speaker 1: whether it was iver mecton or hydroxychlora cut or whatever
Speaker 1: the funk and stopped the steal. They were really fanning
Speaker 1: the flames along with O and like none other, but
Speaker 1: they somehow found their line with war crimes. And it's
Speaker 1: just interesting to see, like, I like that they feud
Speaker 1: in this other way, but it's usually about who can
Speaker 1: outmaga the other network, and in this one, this I
Speaker 1: guess this news Max just right tried the high road.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, just a very interesting scenario. We're watching
Speaker 1: these two come at each other in this specific way.
Speaker 1: It's wild to see somebody who looks like a like
Speaker 1: that should have been who hosted the Running Man game
Speaker 1: in that eighties movie, like that just like a perfect
Speaker 1: like orange Spray Tan, but like having him just be
Speaker 1: like speaking speaking truth about the way he said it
Speaker 1: right where he was like, Hey, I was working with
Speaker 1: Putin too until I saw the war crimes. Things are
Speaker 1: different now or maybe he's trying to give him a
Speaker 1: way out saying because he does say, look, I know
Speaker 1: you were saying all that ship about who cares about
Speaker 1: Ukraine with your like America first goggles on and he's like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm magic two. Like, I get that. But there's a
Speaker 1: difference here, and that is sort of Yeah, the nuance
Speaker 1: that is being sort of brought to light by news
Speaker 1: Max is is jarring, to say the least. I was.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing being declared, hearing the clip of Tucker's saying,
Speaker 1: did he call me racist? And it's just where where
Speaker 1: did this come from? Is that? Yeah? Why? Why? Well?
Speaker 1: Because that is that is worse. Being called racist is
Speaker 1: worse than anything racism can do in their opinion, like
Speaker 1: they they treat that like the ultimate hate crime is
Speaker 1: somebody calling them racist. And so the logic being that
Speaker 1: the real enemy calls me racist, which is the left
Speaker 1: and people who want progress, that's the real enemy. People
Speaker 1: like Vladimir Putin. We're on the same page with a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. So I don't understand why I'm meant
Speaker 1: to hate this person when I'm over here having to
Speaker 1: shield myself from attacks from people who accurately describe my
Speaker 1: show as filled with xenophobia and hatred. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just it. It gave me this is perhabs the
Speaker 1: terrible comparison. But when when he said that, my mind
Speaker 1: immediately went to Muhammad Ali with you know, no Venomese
Speaker 1: ever called me nigger, And it was just because you know,
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, yo, this really is the
Speaker 1: R word is the worst thing you can call them.
Speaker 1: And you know, so that was what Mohammed Ali was
Speaker 1: trying to impress on people, saying, listen, you all are
Speaker 1: brutalizing me here. Why would I go somewhere else to
Speaker 1: brutalize people? Right now? I would say that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that was actually something that a lot
Speaker 1: of people needed to hear, whether they wanted to hear
Speaker 1: it or not. Now I say, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, analysis is is quite a bit less sophisticated,
Speaker 1: but it was just what this is when you're thinking
Speaker 1: of things that people could do to you, things that
Speaker 1: awful things that people could do to you, you know,
Speaker 1: forget about how one governs. It's okay, what would make
Speaker 1: me not like this person? Well he if he called
Speaker 1: me the R word, that would upset me? Just yo,
Speaker 1: what when an't we on? I mean? And also I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: so the stakes are so low for you that that's
Speaker 1: the biggest threat on your list is someone who's saying
Speaker 1: or just just calling you something. Because if you ask
Speaker 1: a trans person or you ask a person of color,
Speaker 1: what kind of existential threats they face two probably a
Speaker 1: lot worse on top of name calling that they have
Speaker 1: to face to try and just navigate this country. Yes, precisely,
Speaker 1: yet and if yeah, it's almost like you need to
Speaker 1: actually take stock of that. Sounds like not much can
Speaker 1: get to you. Really, that sounds like a pretty good
Speaker 1: place to be where if nothing can funk with you
Speaker 1: that you have to make up a fucking raise the
Speaker 1: specter of someone saying you're racist to fucking freak you
Speaker 1: out that you really don't have ship going on that
Speaker 1: is actually a threat to you. But you have to
Speaker 1: make this ship up because that's what you know, if
Speaker 1: your insistence on like white hegemon, he does to your brain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I just find I find the absolute you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay away from the you know, the
Speaker 1: snowflake language type stuff here, but you know, the absolute
Speaker 1: fragility that you've see in a lot of people where
Speaker 1: you know, if you call them homophobic, they lose their mind.
Speaker 1: You call them racists, they lose their mind. And it's yo.
Speaker 1: It's if somebody calls you that, I mean, chill. Maybe
Speaker 1: they got a point, maybe they don't, who knows, but
Speaker 1: you're probably going to be okay, You're probably right right
Speaker 1: to learning opportunity. Yeah, compared to as you were saying, well,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, call me a name, call
Speaker 1: a lot of other people a name all day. There
Speaker 1: are other things that are more pressing concerns like physical safety,
Speaker 1: can you get a job? You know, all these other things,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's it's wile that
Speaker 1: that turns into, you know, the way in which somebody
Speaker 1: judges whether somebody's a bad person or not is yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think speaks to the lengths people will go
Speaker 1: to not confront those kinds of biases they have, right,
Speaker 1: Because if my response to hearing something like that is
Speaker 1: to just get super defensive, then I'm already framing it
Speaker 1: is like this such an absurd thing to say to
Speaker 1: me that I don't even have to entertain if there's
Speaker 1: anything in there that I could work with. It's like
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, in my first relationship in college,
Speaker 1: and you know the person I was, Danie. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of messy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking messy, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I never heard that ship, and I never really wanted
Speaker 1: to confront that ship. So my first response is I'm
Speaker 1: not fucking lying, no messy, funk out of here. I
Speaker 1: am fucking very good. I'm a good boy. But you
Speaker 1: take that ship and you have to get rise to
Speaker 1: a level of a maturity where you can hear something
Speaker 1: and be like interesting, am I Yeah, I am kind
Speaker 1: of interested to see how how that sort of thing
Speaker 1: plays out, because you know the right has in general,
Speaker 1: it'll kind of they'll sort of find they'll find a
Speaker 1: party line, you know what I mean again, the game speak,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll find the meta is just oh this,
Speaker 1: this is this is what messes up the left. This
Speaker 1: is what freaks them out. And you know, for the
Speaker 1: most part, a lot of people will say, okay, well
Speaker 1: you seem to be more focused on this thing. I'm
Speaker 1: more focused on this thing. But we can agree to
Speaker 1: do this. Let's all do this. But splitting like that
Speaker 1: is it seems a little unusual. I don't think we
Speaker 1: see that so often, so you know, it'll it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to watch. Yeah, I mean the part of me
Speaker 1: just looks at everything that's happening with news Max and
Speaker 1: Fox and like, what's the funk? What's the real game here? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it can't be that you suddenly have found your humanity.
Speaker 1: And you're like, because, why are you gonna start to talk?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna start calling out racism one of the networks,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. They're promoting a wrestlemany a like
Speaker 1: event where different anchors from each of the Logan Paul Logan,
Speaker 1: Paul is gonna walk in with Tucker Carols into the ring.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah, it's the only matter of time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's as absurd as it sounds.
Speaker 1: Who knows it could all could all happen. Stranger things
Speaker 1: have happened, Stranger things have absolutely happened. We were on
Speaker 1: the timeline where that could happen, and that would be Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're on the timeline where news mat because the shaming
Speaker 1: Fox for their pro Russian takes, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think this is anything could happened, anything had happened.
Speaker 1: What a time to be alive. Yeah, my friends there
Speaker 1: there's like a tweet from some not American who I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not familiar with, but for whatever reason the
Speaker 1: timing of this, they were just like, hey, I just
Speaker 1: got out of America, Like, you guys are really on
Speaker 1: the brak huh, Like you're you guys are fucked. Like
Speaker 1: people are like what how do you mean? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? And they're like, oh, like the just horrible
Speaker 1: inequality of the rise and like unhoused community, like how
Speaker 1: quick everyone's trigger is like and I forget what else
Speaker 1: they listed, but they were just like, it's it's really
Speaker 1: bad there right now, you're really you're bad. Why don't
Speaker 1: you go back to fucking Sweden? Okay? Asshole? Okay from yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it was like a house
Speaker 1: music jay or something. Yeah, go back to Sweden, go
Speaker 1: hang out with young Lane. But it is true. I
Speaker 1: mean that's why I feel like when you go to
Speaker 1: other countries where there's like socialized medicine and like their
Speaker 1: social safety nets, the vibes are so different, and it's
Speaker 1: like funny how people can just tell like oh wow,
Speaker 1: like everyone's so like relax heous like, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: that one of the things that's off their plate is like,
Speaker 1: I'll die if I don't have a working So that
Speaker 1: stress is taken. And there are many other existential threats
Speaker 1: that exist that are maybe unique to another place, but
Speaker 1: that's sort of like a foundational thing where their governments like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't go broke because you got sick. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. But here it's like, okay, broke boy,
Speaker 1: what do you want on your tombstone? And it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be pepperoni. You twisted your ankle, guess you're gonna
Speaker 1: die exactly. Oh you go twisted your ankle. Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: you can put the candles right here underneath this basketball
Speaker 1: who for this guy's twisted ankle from a pickup game?
Speaker 1: Pick up your airbrushed shirts at the end of the night.
Speaker 1: The go fund meization of Magical Care has been it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been I've been obviously, you know, this
Speaker 1: is not unique. I've been thinking about this for a
Speaker 1: long time. But just the fact that people are you know,
Speaker 1: actually this is something that's recommended to people. It's just oh,
Speaker 1: if you get sick, start to go fund me. It's
Speaker 1: just yo, what I mean, I would I would love
Speaker 1: to see the actual numbers of what yah And I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if they make these things public because
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it would look good. But what the
Speaker 1: actual numbers of go fund me is now, especially you know,
Speaker 1: pandemic area, because people using go fund me, especially when
Speaker 1: somebody dies of COVID, you know, the using go fund
Speaker 1: me for the funeral, You know what I mean. But yeah,
Speaker 1: go fund You know. It used to be, Hey, I
Speaker 1: have an idea for a car that turns into a boat,
Speaker 1: and I need a hundred thousand dollars, so please contribute.
Speaker 1: And now it's I broke my leg and I can't work,
Speaker 1: and more like, I'm making this page for my coworker
Speaker 1: who doesn't speak English to help with their bills because
Speaker 1: they got injured at at their factory gig and they're
Speaker 1: not trying to help them because they're being paid under
Speaker 1: the table and everything's funked up because they were being exploited.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, too, is like less than twelve
Speaker 1: of those medical ones reached their goal too. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: for as much as that you see, like only a
Speaker 1: fraction of them are you know, reaching the goal where
Speaker 1: that help is like reaching the people? And again it's
Speaker 1: just another more you know, the underlining the American motto
Speaker 1: which is like, hey, welcome to America. Their help is
Speaker 1: not on the way. Yea, yeah, take care of yourself
Speaker 1: for your student loans means all that need some stinger missiles? Okay,
Speaker 1: what else you need some heavy machines? Okay, we got you.
Speaker 1: Help is on the way. Hell is let me holler
Speaker 1: at my boy raytheon real quick. They're coming through. Help
Speaker 1: is on the way. I hope you have that money ready. Well,
Speaker 1: Dexter has been such a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he got a happy note. Yes uh always yeah.
Speaker 1: All social media dex, DIGGI d e x d I
Speaker 1: g I what up dex dot com? That one works too,
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, just everywhere. How do you're doing it?
Speaker 1: And is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying a tweet or social media? Man,
Speaker 1: I've been staying away, oh tweets. I try to stay
Speaker 1: off with Twitter, man, um my, I basically just get
Speaker 1: on Twitter to tweet get off the internet. Highly encouraged
Speaker 1: people to seriously that. I think that's the last tweet
Speaker 1: I made was just get off the Internet. But um,
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying There is a guy who posts he's
Speaker 1: I think he's a voice actor, and he's been posting
Speaker 1: himself as Colombo, just interacting with people that Columbo would
Speaker 1: never meek too, like light in Death Note and so
Speaker 1: so it's it's just forget if you if you searched
Speaker 1: Colombo and Death Note, you will find it. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: just people, people, people. There's there's a lot of voice
Speaker 1: actors who were just acting like these characters who would
Speaker 1: never think of and they're just remixing it with people
Speaker 1: who should not they should not be remixed with. But
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty good, highly recommended. Nice being too death
Speaker 1: she calls real scary stuff. And I've never actually watched Colombo,
Speaker 1: but that actually made me want to watch Colombo now.
Speaker 1: So I've been watching just recaps of Colombo episodes and
Speaker 1: laughing the whole time because I'm imagining him talking to
Speaker 1: you know, like I have a cursory understanding of Death Note.
Speaker 1: Watched a lot of Colombo. I watched neither my Grandma
Speaker 1: loved that ship because I think she always liked She
Speaker 1: just likes the vibe of like this motherfucker thing he's
Speaker 1: gonna get away, and because he always likes to switch
Speaker 1: it up one more thing, like just that wash he
Speaker 1: goes Coombo, you have a fucking ropat desat So we
Speaker 1: were weird. We were cheering off from that side. Miles,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: Also the other show, Look you like the NBA, check
Speaker 1: out Jack and I's NBA podcast Miles and Jack Got
Speaker 1: Mad boost Ease where we just have fun conversation celebrating
Speaker 1: the NBA. And also, if you like you know fiance,
Speaker 1: check out Mother Show for twenty Day Fiance. You know
Speaker 1: what's happening over there? Uh some tweets that I like.
Speaker 1: The first one is from Ali Segel Passcast Alice Egel
Speaker 1: at Online. Allison tweeted, going on my first vacation with boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any tips slash tricks for holding in
Speaker 1: your ship for eight days? Which you know, I say,
Speaker 1: just let it go. Let it go, because that's how
Speaker 1: you'll know you're with somebody who's you know, who can
Speaker 1: understand your humanity. Another one is from at very Calm Chowder.
Speaker 1: It's a picture of this like dude just standing out
Speaker 1: on a railing looking off and the and the caption
Speaker 1: on this picture the guy, the guy's pictures and it's
Speaker 1: important than the capture, which he says, I bring a
Speaker 1: sort of we should all quit vibe to the workplace
Speaker 1: that managers don't really like. Um. And the last one
Speaker 1: is from ad amilia Ellis all Day. Adamilia Elis all
Speaker 1: Day tweeted the vibe and small airports, it's like if
Speaker 1: they made your divorced dad's apartment of business that oh ship.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about the Eugene Airport. The Eugene
Speaker 1: Airport is kind of like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like Eugene Airport and I like it. Look, I love Eugene,
Speaker 1: but the airport to me feels like that thing where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, are there people here? And then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah over there, Okay, okay, well it's fine, it's fine. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at daily Ze Guys
Speaker 1: where the daily Ze Guys on Instagram, We have Facebook
Speaker 1: fan page and a website Daily see guys dot com,
Speaker 1: where we post our episodes on our foot notes where
Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Also, just a shoutou was Josh
Speaker 1: Fabus who tweeted the thing I referenced. I say this
Speaker 1: with a huge amount of love and respect because I
Speaker 1: enjoy visiting here, but the USA feels on the brink
Speaker 1: of total financial and social collapse. Likes. So yeah, but Miles,
Speaker 1: what's the song that we think people might enjoy? What
Speaker 1: is that? What does that person know? Just probably merely
Speaker 1: observing the state of this country? Oh boy, you can
Speaker 1: hear it in our voices, can't you. Um, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go out on new new collaboration between some of my
Speaker 1: favorite artists, mad Lib and the drummer Kareem Riggins together
Speaker 1: they have I think they have a group called Supreme Team,
Speaker 1: but this is another group they when they come together
Speaker 1: called the Jajari Massamba Unit. And if you don't like
Speaker 1: Kareem Reaggins or mad Live, you don't know, okay. And
Speaker 1: also Cream Reagins is one of the most talented drummers,
Speaker 1: jazz drummer, hip hop drummers. It's out there. If you
Speaker 1: like Ja Dilla, you should know that both of these
Speaker 1: people regularly work with Jay Della. But there's a live
Speaker 1: album that they're doing and this track is called Reasoning
Speaker 1: Poor Robert and it's spelled p O you Are. But
Speaker 1: uh yeah, just a really really one project from two great,
Speaker 1: great artists, So check that out, all right. Well, The
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