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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments
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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. Please welcome the hilarious and town tick
Speaker 1: Courtney Costa a Kay. I did not prepare a song
Speaker 1: that is fun. Have you heard that TikTok cover of
Speaker 1: Tom's Diner where the dude comes in and makes it
Speaker 1: all about himself? Oh my, hold on, hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like, I feel like any millennial if they haven't
Speaker 1: heard it, has to hear it just to see how
Speaker 1: far we've come astray. I do feel like our two
Speaker 1: choices of a ks could have been on the radio,
Speaker 1: like back to back in the late eighties. I was
Speaker 1: surprised you guys don't have to pay licensing fees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's well, it's so a tonal that no
Speaker 1: like modern algorithmic copyright sweeping software could ever pick it up.
Speaker 1: Tell our intention just based on yeah, we end up
Speaker 1: getting money in They're like, actually, it sounds like Susanne
Speaker 1: Vega was covering you. But here, this is this this
Speaker 1: band and in May Canter right and Giant Rooks version
Speaker 1: of this. We can cut this out justin just so
Speaker 1: she can hear it. Oh my goodness, what do you
Speaker 1: think of that? Um source material? Yeah? Wow, yeah that's
Speaker 1: I think that's all we can say is wow, according
Speaker 1: to listen to it, I think we're cutting out the
Speaker 1: actual song. But yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like most
Speaker 1: people know just look in case people act, you know,
Speaker 1: because we actually played it. But yes, that guy's that
Speaker 1: guy's voice. You know, he's bellowing when he comes in
Speaker 1: with mine, just us. I don't know something to think about.
Speaker 1: I felt that. Yeah, yeah, Jim, I would like to
Speaker 1: ask Eric guests, what is something from your search history? Uh?
Speaker 1: My search history kind of boring lately. I just I
Speaker 1: searched Adidas yesterday, just just the words, just what's up
Speaker 1: with them? Yeah, just saying what they was up to?
Speaker 1: Easter suits? Yeah, I was looking at she was looking
Speaker 1: at up the Tan Obama. Yeah. I think mostly what
Speaker 1: I'm searching is closed. The weirdest thing I searched is
Speaker 1: Geno Green Global shirt. Do you remember these shirts from
Speaker 1: the it's like late nineties, early two thousands, all the
Speaker 1: rappers war them. They were very oversized and there was
Speaker 1: a bunch of number nine. It was shirts with like
Speaker 1: every rapper in New York. Pap had like like DJ
Speaker 1: Clay Slay yeah R and p K Slay exactly. Like
Speaker 1: they had like an exclusive Geno Green Global gear. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was in Seattle and I saw a five
Speaker 1: x red leather Gino Green jacket. Wow. And I didn't
Speaker 1: get it. But if it's probably still on the wall
Speaker 1: at the Crossroads and Capitol Hill, go get you one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: rocking that outfit? Did you ever get to the bottom?
Speaker 1: First of all, we were you searching this because you
Speaker 1: have three consecutive nine picks and you were doing some
Speaker 1: some meme work in content mine official gear for the Wizards.
Speaker 1: Not exactly. I was trying to figure that it actually
Speaker 1: was why I was searching it. My little brother was like,
Speaker 1: my little brother was talking about he put up a
Speaker 1: tweet about our draft odds, and I was like, here's
Speaker 1: here's us when we get the ninth pick again, and
Speaker 1: it's a picture of Pat Boos and tj oh Man.
Speaker 1: I missed these fashions. Put some South Bowl jeans on
Speaker 1: and your back gear. You're Fooboo Platinum Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what the fucking fat Albert Graphics? Come on, Calm. I
Speaker 1: thought they were back. I thought Fubu was all the
Speaker 1: way back when they dropped the Fat Albert graphics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that because and look, they were chasing that
Speaker 1: Iceberg wave because I remember at the time, Iceberg was
Speaker 1: for people who have fucking money, you know, because like Iceberg,
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse button up was so much money. Then the
Speaker 1: Foodbuo Platinum came in, like, hey, we can do it.
Speaker 1: We can do lovable cartoon characters too, at the lower
Speaker 1: price point. I introduced Foodboo Platinum. Damn I had a
Speaker 1: I had a fake Iceberg sweater with Speedy Gonzalez on it.
Speaker 1: They I mean, who didn't have the fake Iceberg back?
Speaker 1: I think like that was club that was like mandatory
Speaker 1: club attire, Like you weren't you weren't doing shit if
Speaker 1: you don't have Iceberg on at the club, That's very true.
Speaker 1: And the number nine was was that? So I'm just
Speaker 1: I was not what was what? Wait? What did you
Speaker 1: go to? I mean, when you're going to when you're
Speaker 1: in Georgetown, what did you guys go out? Did you
Speaker 1: what was like you're going out clothing back then oh
Speaker 1: man shirt and yeah maybe up here and a little
Speaker 1: budon of a little quarters up with the joint underneath.
Speaker 1: Very baggy pants, but often like Khaki's just I dressed
Speaker 1: like ship Man, completely and totally dressed like ship was
Speaker 1: it just like not socially functional? Yeah I was. I
Speaker 1: was a mess right, like one of those four years,
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who didn't have pants that could
Speaker 1: go with nice shoes. So like, y'all put your baggy
Speaker 1: pants over like shoes and you're like, fun, this outfit
Speaker 1: baggy pants was like the back of the cuff like
Speaker 1: kind of torn because yeah, I know it was the
Speaker 1: animal all right. I was gonna ask what the number
Speaker 1: nine was for, but I think it was just because
Speaker 1: it looked like a lower case G. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there we go. What is something you think
Speaker 1: is overrated? Um? I mean right now, like, just don't
Speaker 1: the entire West as a construct. I'm like, you guys,
Speaker 1: you're you're it's everybody's like, oh my god, Like I
Speaker 1: can't believe that this Russia thing is happening because like
Speaker 1: we're all we're all aspiring capitalists, we all have billionaires, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the problem this is I don't. I just I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. It's like we're there. There's this thing
Speaker 1: of like we're all on the same team, like how
Speaker 1: could they and like pearl clutching, and I'm like, have
Speaker 1: you again, have you ever? Have you ever read a
Speaker 1: book man like figure it out? Oh yeah, now, oh god.
Speaker 1: We a lot of us who were homeschooled to read
Speaker 1: kind of voraciously, So that is a thing. My sil
Speaker 1: length and I are all constantly reading history and like
Speaker 1: listening to history podcasts, which is probably why I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're just there's nothing, like there's nothing
Speaker 1: we can do. We're just at this like kind of
Speaker 1: point where it's like, yeah, we said we're kind of
Speaker 1: all gonna like just go our own separate ways and
Speaker 1: like let people do what they want to do, kind
Speaker 1: of like following World War two and like all this
Speaker 1: all this stuff that they put together in all these treaties,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, yeah, that only applies to again,
Speaker 1: only applies to darker folks, right, the rule of law,
Speaker 1: law in order. There's I mean, like I feel like constantly,
Speaker 1: like as an American, you look at the coverage of
Speaker 1: like how people are talking and you're like you're like,
Speaker 1: y'all talking war crimes? Okay, yeah, oh god you have
Speaker 1: you have you don't have a leg to stand on,
Speaker 1: like we don't. We don't get to accuse people of
Speaker 1: war crimes. Have you seen They're like, will invade the
Speaker 1: fucking Hague if you try. It's like that's the policy, right,
Speaker 1: that was the policy, and we're over. That's why, like
Speaker 1: watching the news is really surreal because like I can't
Speaker 1: believe what's going on, like what these atrocities And you're like, fun, man,
Speaker 1: if we could only report on our own ship with
Speaker 1: the supposed clarity that the journalists are with this conflict,
Speaker 1: like whether it was even early on with like well
Speaker 1: look at the people dying in this world, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and like no one realizing yeah, no one realized how
Speaker 1: they sound. And you're like, oh, this is why everything
Speaker 1: is so fucked up. And then like you have our
Speaker 1: own country being like this is an atrocity, My god,
Speaker 1: look at us. Just look at them. I mean, guys,
Speaker 1: wese are people who look like they could be your neighbor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could be your cousin. That's why I stand in
Speaker 1: solidarity with the occupied Ukrainians Palestine. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is. Okay, I'm time time time time time time,
Speaker 1: some sime time time. Sorry and sorry, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: totally treated that though. I was like, if you're standing
Speaker 1: with Ukraine but not like Palistine or Yemen, go fund yourself,
Speaker 1: Like you actually don't know anything. Yeah, like you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't just don't. You don't get an opinion in
Speaker 1: terms of and I get it too, like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can as an individual. I think that's why a lot
Speaker 1: of people were saying, like, I can't believe that these
Speaker 1: people are just like bringing up America's war atrocities to
Speaker 1: cover up things like sure, there are some people who
Speaker 1: were just doing what about is ums to kind of deflect,
Speaker 1: but I think some people who are truly disturbed by
Speaker 1: the lack of like consistent care empathy that goes out
Speaker 1: from American people. That's what's really frustrating, because we're always
Speaker 1: seeing like this cordoned off sec like sort of compartmentalized
Speaker 1: empathy and not thinking like that's the problem is you
Speaker 1: can look at a brown kid who's dead on the
Speaker 1: ground and feel nothing, but you see this white child,
Speaker 1: you know, dead on the ground and now it really
Speaker 1: is an issue and really trying, and really you known't
Speaker 1: take the time to confront why you don't feel one
Speaker 1: thing when you look at one thing and you feel
Speaker 1: something else looking at the other. That's I think what
Speaker 1: is really the most disheartening part of like observing the
Speaker 1: coverage and like the discourse from you know, many American
Speaker 1: people about what's happening. I think there's also something where
Speaker 1: they can like convince themselves that, well, it's complicated. You know,
Speaker 1: We've I've read like all these New York Times articles
Speaker 1: with all these facts, and like the only thing that's
Speaker 1: complicated is you might say some ship that someone you
Speaker 1: really care about wholeheartedly disagrees with, and you may have
Speaker 1: to not talk to that person anymore because you actually
Speaker 1: have a you're trying to apply a consistent definition of
Speaker 1: what a human being is. What's something you think is
Speaker 1: underrated overall? I think being nice is underrated, But specifically
Speaker 1: I think being being nice to video game developers, I
Speaker 1: think it's really underrated. I don't know why we can't
Speaker 1: just be nice to people who make games for us.
Speaker 1: What specific bit of outrais are you referencing today? All
Speaker 1: of them basically I mean there there's one specifically that legit.
Speaker 1: I basically started. Y'all played Halo Infinite. I played a
Speaker 1: little bit of it. Yeah, okay, yo, that fan base
Speaker 1: is so toxic. I had to stop playing. Man, it's
Speaker 1: so bad. If you, I mean obviously read it. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe just don't go on Reddit period. But I started
Speaker 1: getting really really in a Halo. Man. I was playing
Speaker 1: so much. I probably put in a hundred fifty hours
Speaker 1: over the course of maybe a month or some chance.
Speaker 1: I was putting work, man, and I was getting all right,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're playing the game and you want
Speaker 1: to learn, you just oh, maybe I can find some
Speaker 1: tips online or something like that. And so you know,
Speaker 1: there's people who are posting clips and stuff like that
Speaker 1: on YouTube. And of course I always read the comments
Speaker 1: because people add stuff in or whatever. Yo, every all
Speaker 1: of it. If you look up things, you'll learn something
Speaker 1: in the videos. Oh here's how to do this trick
Speaker 1: or here's here's here's a strategy for this map or whatever.
Speaker 1: But man, all the comments are just Man, these devs,
Speaker 1: they don't even care about X y Z and man,
Speaker 1: I remember when devs used to care about the craft
Speaker 1: of making video games, just, bro, have you ever played
Speaker 1: Karate Kid for Nintendo? Have you played the X Men
Speaker 1: game Nintendo? You like? Do you know what? You know?
Speaker 1: What I mean? And it's but and then the other
Speaker 1: wild thing is all that toxicity. I feel like it.
Speaker 1: It's somehow it's got to be feeding it, you know,
Speaker 1: if it turns into this vac or this kind of spiral, right,
Speaker 1: and then the people making videos they'll be saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's this trick on how you can catch somebody by
Speaker 1: surprise if you go around the corner. But also, you
Speaker 1: know what, man, forget this game. These devs are terrible.
Speaker 1: Maybe they fixed, but I really don't think they are. Bro,
Speaker 1: you're making a living on making content about Halo. And
Speaker 1: then what happens, yo, I promise you man, Right after
Speaker 1: this is I'm watching all these Halo videos and then
Speaker 1: the algorithm YouTube algorithm kicks in, right, So first I
Speaker 1: watch a few Halo videos and it says, oh, you're
Speaker 1: interested in Halo, should start showing me some more Halo videos, right,
Speaker 1: And then it says, hey, perhaps you'd like these Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan experience quick. And then it says, perhaps you'd like
Speaker 1: this Jordan Peter too. Yeah, and then one would you
Speaker 1: would you like to see a compilation of Ben Shapiro
Speaker 1: owning college Liberals? And it's just yo, just like the
Speaker 1: pipeline from just Halo two, just be trying to play
Speaker 1: some regular, regular video games, just going straight, just off
Speaker 1: the deep end. Man, It's it's it's bad. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to play some video games. We gotta
Speaker 1: be nice to these people, and they're trying if only
Speaker 1: like how are you gonna it's like getting mad at
Speaker 1: like somebody at a company who's like they're not really
Speaker 1: calling the shots. I do like the the the amount
Speaker 1: of work developers have to put in, like the fucked
Speaker 1: up work practices and being like, okay, so we're behind
Speaker 1: on this game or like we're not on schedule. Y'all
Speaker 1: are gonna have to work yourselves into the ground to
Speaker 1: deliver a thing that is then going to get people
Speaker 1: are gonna get mad add at because we didn't give
Speaker 1: you guys adequate time to even program the game. Like
Speaker 1: there's like this whole the way the industry works is
Speaker 1: only exacerbating that too, And I think that's why that
Speaker 1: people More people aren't aware. It's like, yo, get mad
Speaker 1: at the at the company first, not the individual developers first,
Speaker 1: like why is happening? Harassing the developers and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and and that's I mean, it's precisely like that. We're
Speaker 1: just now getting the point where, you know, video game
Speaker 1: reporters will report on the labor practices of the company
Speaker 1: and then you'll see that. Then you'll see the fans
Speaker 1: of the game get mad and saying, yo, why are
Speaker 1: you talking about that? You know, get bring my game
Speaker 1: out faster. Just chill. They're working eighty hour weeks, they're
Speaker 1: not getting paid. Well, just about this, then don't buy
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, so then shut up, do something else.
Speaker 1: Read a book. But it's fine. Oh there's so many
Speaker 1: good books. Have you guys heard of these things? Books? Ship?
Speaker 1: I just read a book. What I was on vacation,
Speaker 1: read this classic novel. It's the Prima Guide to Tomb
Speaker 1: Raider to on PlayStation. Just classical literature, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Amazing, amazing? Yeah, man, I don't know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, if you if you know
Speaker 1: a game developer, just you know, give him a hug,
Speaker 1: give him a hug, or or just don't that thing
Speaker 1: you were going to tweet at them. Just don't you
Speaker 1: could not tweet at them or not if you have
Speaker 1: to tea and say, hey, I know this isn't your fault,
Speaker 1: but I'm still a piece of ship and I will
Speaker 1: go on with this tweet exactly. By the way, the past,
Speaker 1: the YouTube trying to take you from like complaints about
Speaker 1: Hallo to Joe Rogan to Ben Shapiro is the past
Speaker 1: again where we're retracing what led us to Q and on,
Speaker 1: like right there, right, yeah, something about being mad at
Speaker 1: video games just really segways nicely into authoritarianism and the
Speaker 1: death of America. It's weird, It's it's yeah, here, we are, here,
Speaker 1: we are I feel that way about like a lot
Speaker 1: of culture. I feel like we're watching the NBA playoffs
Speaker 1: and just like so much of the Twitter commentary is
Speaker 1: just people being like you did that on purpose. He sucks.
Speaker 1: This is bullshit, Like he doesn't stack up with Jordan's
Speaker 1: is just like, yo, what the funk is wrong with everybody?
Speaker 1: Like this is just fun. Like these guys are fucking
Speaker 1: performing miracles in front of you for your entertainment. It
Speaker 1: happens all the time, right, is Like there are things
Speaker 1: that bring you joy and then when it's not hitting
Speaker 1: the same for you, like, you get really it's it's
Speaker 1: like fucking you get confused and you start being like,
Speaker 1: well now I'm angry at the fucking thing that doesn't
Speaker 1: give me as much joy, rather than taking a second
Speaker 1: be like, hold on, this might be other things happening.
Speaker 1: It's not just that the devs fucking sucking or hate
Speaker 1: me or don't care. Right, all right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come right back and talk about student loans.
Speaker 1: And we're back. And the second we cut to break,
Speaker 1: Miles was like, I'm looking at this Coachell lineup, and
Speaker 1: I thank you. I went back to Miles who used
Speaker 1: to just pull up trying to get a cheap ticket.
Speaker 1: And if if I get for a discount, if I
Speaker 1: could see some of these artists, I'm not mad. Actually,
Speaker 1: like I want to see, like, I want to see
Speaker 1: Denzel Curry. Denzel Curry's there. I want to see bad, bad,
Speaker 1: not good. I want to see fucking Flume. Fuck it.
Speaker 1: If Fat Boys slam Molly in the Saharitan, when when
Speaker 1: the drop hits on Flume, Dude, if he plays the
Speaker 1: Tennis court Lord remix, it's over City girls Core day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the thing is, I'm not gonna pay full
Speaker 1: price for this, but if in my mind the situation
Speaker 1: is I see a thing on Craig's like is helping me,
Speaker 1: I'll give you tickets. I feel like they should sponsor
Speaker 1: you guys as influencers. Yeah, people who like yeah, who
Speaker 1: talk ship up until the last second. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. I can hear all funked up. Our
Speaker 1: marketing policy is all about nagging. We like to talk
Speaker 1: shit about your product and then come on, Jamie XX
Speaker 1: is there. Yeah, there's some good Millennius Japanese breakfast. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you know, Joji, my little half Japanese king,
Speaker 1: can't gizzard in the Lizard Wizard shout out Australian psych rock. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: too late, don't have time. Yeah, I mean next weekend.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I can say goods this weekend on
Speaker 1: streaming and then yeah, we'll see come back if it.
Speaker 1: If it's bad and tickets are depressed, I may fuck it.
Speaker 1: I may just for the good of the show, take
Speaker 1: my zoom recorder to Coachella and just bring back some
Speaker 1: kind of audio package of the Coachella that would be amazing,
Speaker 1: confused and ship the people demand it. Yeah, alright, we
Speaker 1: left the crowd fund it. We'll see. I got a
Speaker 1: few days to figured out, all right. So we just
Speaker 1: wanted to check in on a couple of stories around
Speaker 1: the police. Obviously, there is another horrifying instance of police
Speaker 1: murdering an unarmed black man, Patrick Loyoya and Graham Rapids,
Speaker 1: this time on camera, so there might actually be some justice.
Speaker 1: But in case, you saw the press conference with the
Speaker 1: mayor giving the concerned body language in the looking away
Speaker 1: and like you know, just the general response to this
Speaker 1: ship seems to be one bad apple, just a tragic,
Speaker 1: one off situation. Graham Rabids police have been pulling guns
Speaker 1: on innocent people for the past five years, like to
Speaker 1: the point that there have been like many complaints in
Speaker 1: seen officers searching for a middle aged woman wanted firs
Speaker 1: stabbing and staid handcuffed in a eleven year old girl
Speaker 1: at gunpoint while she was just leaving a house. Those
Speaker 1: officers were not disciplined. Months before, at Graham Rapids, officers
Speaker 1: held five innocent teenagers at gunpoint. Local outlets reported officer
Speaker 1: was suspended for two days after shooting a protester in
Speaker 1: the face with a gas canister. So the first of all,
Speaker 1: it probably doesn't need to be said the eleven year
Speaker 1: old child who was automatically treated like a suspect was
Speaker 1: a person of color. The shooting of the protester in
Speaker 1: the face, I want to come back to in a second.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's yeah, that's that's that's the latest hook
Speaker 1: into being like, oh, the police are murderous, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking monsters, and the this death especially is disturbing in
Speaker 1: the manner which had happened. It's even this just description
Speaker 1: spooks me because this officer was on top of him
Speaker 1: and then shot him in the head and with the
Speaker 1: victim face down. Yeah yeah, And but yet we're we're
Speaker 1: still like dragging our feet to just be like, oh god,
Speaker 1: let's let's investigate what happened exactly. What was the cops justification.
Speaker 1: I mean, he pulled him over because of registration being
Speaker 1: out of date. How does it go from that to
Speaker 1: shooting someone in the back of the head because he
Speaker 1: was trying to arrest him, I guess, and he was
Speaker 1: resisting and when he I believe he also was like
Speaker 1: on top of this guy who's face down and he
Speaker 1: was struggling to like he was like trying to just
Speaker 1: get out of this position that's maybe probably having trouble
Speaker 1: breathing or something. The gun comes out and then this
Speaker 1: guy's just shot in his head um and this is
Speaker 1: you know, it's like wild too, because there were so
Speaker 1: many other stories in the last week that deserved everyone's attention,
Speaker 1: and then it's like half of it was like still
Speaker 1: Will Smith and Chris Rock talk yeah and whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that get that takes us to this moment today, right,
Speaker 1: So then we have just another aspect of the police
Speaker 1: that I think is undercovered, and that is just how
Speaker 1: fucking bad they are at their jobs. Like that what
Speaker 1: they're funded beyond anything that has happened in the history
Speaker 1: of human civilization when it comes to a police force.
Speaker 1: And let's just run through the events of the subway
Speaker 1: shooter arrest. I think this tweet sums it up if
Speaker 1: I understand correctly. The subway shooter dropped his weapon, car, keys,
Speaker 1: and a credit card at the scene of the crime,
Speaker 1: called in his location to an MYPD tipline, chilled out
Speaker 1: of McDonald's until he got tired of waiting for them
Speaker 1: to show up. And was apprehended by a guy named
Speaker 1: Zach that that seems to be how it went down.
Speaker 1: There's you know, details of that that are backed up
Speaker 1: by the New York Times. And yeah, I mean Alec
Speaker 1: Karri Kitzanis had a good threat on this where yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just read directly from it, but he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, much of the debate about cops rightly focuses
Speaker 1: on their millions of physical and sexual assaults, thousands of murders,
Speaker 1: rampant overtime, sickly fraud, bribery, perjury, high rates of domestic abuse,
Speaker 1: links to white supremisis, infiltration of left wing movements, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But they're also historically incompetent. That that's an important detail.
Speaker 1: Even with greater and greater budgets and technology, unaccountable US
Speaker 1: police bureaucracies are getting worse and worse at what they
Speaker 1: say is their core function. And there's this graph about
Speaker 1: like homicide clearance rates from and it's just down, down, down,
Speaker 1: down down. They're just getting worse and worse as it
Speaker 1: becomes clear and clear to them, like no, you're the
Speaker 1: thing that you're actually paid for is to just enforce
Speaker 1: you know, property crimes and basically do the bidding of
Speaker 1: the ownership class and like clear clearing homicide that happens
Speaker 1: between you know, people who are poor. You know they
Speaker 1: they that's not what they're there for. Basically, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's something called justice. Right, We're sorry, we're we're
Speaker 1: security cards for private property. That like that graph of
Speaker 1: the comic side clearance rates. Now, I'm sure right in
Speaker 1: the sixties there was probably like just like we've seen now,
Speaker 1: there's cops just like I don't know, fuck it, just
Speaker 1: say that fucking guy did it so we can close
Speaker 1: the case. But there's something odd though. Two is I
Speaker 1: believe between nine technology also got better too, presumably to
Speaker 1: make it easier for people to solve crimes like properly.
Speaker 1: Yet it's still going down and whether that's a function
Speaker 1: of the volume of crime whatever, But I don't think
Speaker 1: that's really the case, because what we're looking at is
Speaker 1: we have near historic lows for for most crime. But
Speaker 1: even despite that, you know, eleven basically eleven billion dollar
Speaker 1: budgets and the n Y p D and the l
Speaker 1: A p D respectively, like they're each hauling in that
Speaker 1: kind of money, and we still get like this kind
Speaker 1: of argument from these people that's like, well they're defunding
Speaker 1: the police. Yeah, they're not. As a woman, the thing
Speaker 1: that I love to see is that most of the
Speaker 1: major West police departments made explicit choices not to test
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand rape kits so that hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of rape kits so that they could do homeless arrests
Speaker 1: and drug possession. Drug possession. Yeah, that's from that Alex
Speaker 1: karrict Santa's thread and yeah, it's I mean I think
Speaker 1: that ties directly back into that homicide rate and the
Speaker 1: you know what what Miles was talking about with like
Speaker 1: the we have the we have the technology now to
Speaker 1: like use DNA evidence to stop sexual assault and or
Speaker 1: at least like stop more of it than has historically
Speaker 1: ever been possible. Instead of doing that drug possession and
Speaker 1: homeless arrests, the anti terrorism task Force for the NYPD,
Speaker 1: while the shooter was trying to turn himself in by
Speaker 1: calling the tip line that they had set up, the
Speaker 1: NYPD Terrorism Task Force was rating a homeless encampment and
Speaker 1: arresting unhoused people. I think what's even more damning, right,
Speaker 1: or not even more damning, but what adds to it
Speaker 1: is that along with the technology that's gone up, it
Speaker 1: gots it's so good that regular citizens can have an
Speaker 1: idea of who a suspect is and then just do
Speaker 1: the work for the police for them, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: they're so busy doing this other ship of just brutalizing
Speaker 1: the unhoused. Meanwhile, a guy who was doing like a
Speaker 1: consultation for security camera installation. Hey that Hey, yo, that's
Speaker 1: the guy. You know, that's the guy. And he was
Speaker 1: telling people you'll get the funk away. And it's wild
Speaker 1: to see that press conference where this regular guy had
Speaker 1: intervened to save or not save people, but I apprehend him.
Speaker 1: He was warning other people stay clear of this guy.
Speaker 1: This he's gonna do something bad. This is the person
Speaker 1: from the subway fucking tries to stop him, flags down
Speaker 1: a cop and does the work for it, because he
Speaker 1: was just a generally aware of person in New York.
Speaker 1: And that that was the law enforcement that day. That
Speaker 1: the people who needed medical care in the fucking subway
Speaker 1: stations were mostly being tended to by transit workers and
Speaker 1: other So there there was an NYPD officer during the
Speaker 1: shooting who told another bystandard to call nine one one.
Speaker 1: This is happening right after they made a push to
Speaker 1: like put more police in the subway system and like
Speaker 1: just generally, like broadly the way the story has gone
Speaker 1: like there after and you know the protests following the
Speaker 1: George Floyd video. The there was a conversation about police
Speaker 1: abolition and that got co opted by like people like
Speaker 1: Mattie Glaciers basically a lot of the New York Times
Speaker 1: editorial staff Washington Post editorial staff who came through and
Speaker 1: basically said, like, more police equals lower crime. This is
Speaker 1: a fact. So like, I as much as your ideas
Speaker 1: are like nice sounding, we're over here with the adults,
Speaker 1: and we're telling you that more police equals lower crime.
Speaker 1: And so show me some studies. Can you show me
Speaker 1: the studies that prove that? And it's it's there. There
Speaker 1: are studies that say that they're usually provided by the
Speaker 1: police and like funded by the police, and there are
Speaker 1: more studies, and in fact, the academic consensus is the
Speaker 1: opposite that like investing in police creates a short term
Speaker 1: like either flatline or slight drop in crime, but then eventually,
Speaker 1: over time it goes up because it is fucking poisonous
Speaker 1: for a community to have the authority figures walking around
Speaker 1: with guns, threatening everyone that's poisonous, and then separating families
Speaker 1: as like one of their primary recourses, and also like
Speaker 1: ignoring the root causes of crime. That's like the I
Speaker 1: think the most fucked up part of when you have appropriate,
Speaker 1: supposed paper of record trying to examine something as complex
Speaker 1: as crime and only say, well, according to my friend
Speaker 1: the fucking cops, this is what's going on exactly the end.
Speaker 1: Not let's look at crime. Crime. Uh, you know, people
Speaker 1: are talking about crime. Let's look at the statistics. Here
Speaker 1: are the statistics on crime. Here what the police is
Speaker 1: saying causing crime? Here, what's sociologists, psychologist, psychiatrists, people who
Speaker 1: understand human nature. What they attribute to factors that contribute
Speaker 1: to somebody going extra legal outside the bounds of the law.
Speaker 1: Here's what other countries. Here's what statistics from other countries
Speaker 1: where they have gone from. Not what we have because
Speaker 1: again or what we have is unprecedented in the history
Speaker 1: of human civilization. But from having a front line of
Speaker 1: armed police force to disarming the police and seeing crime
Speaker 1: go way down and everything like respond very positively, like
Speaker 1: a couple of that with fucking studies on U b
Speaker 1: I or people getting supplemental incomes and the stress that
Speaker 1: alleviates for them psychologically, the things that they're able to do,
Speaker 1: the things they don't have to do anymore because they
Speaker 1: were able to find some source of money to be
Speaker 1: able to just provide the minimums of food and then
Speaker 1: talk to me about human behavior because they're just that's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, God, I wish more like more people are
Speaker 1: fucking outraged to be like the fucking even the people
Speaker 1: who want to say the new places like the New
Speaker 1: York Times or Washington Post, they're like fucking Fox News.
Speaker 1: What Fox News is for conservatives. That's what they do
Speaker 1: for the concept of law enforcement. They're never going to
Speaker 1: tell you something real about what's happening there, because the
Speaker 1: whole point of that fucking place is to maintain this
Speaker 1: narrative of police are being good and it's just a
Speaker 1: couple of bad apples, rather than zooming the funk out
Speaker 1: and being like, this is a bad fucking tree. Cut
Speaker 1: cut it the funk down, and let's find some other solutions.
Speaker 1: Because there's plenty of fucking research that says ship that works.
Speaker 1: We're the City of New York is spending three million
Speaker 1: dollars short of what most NGO say it would take
Speaker 1: to stop global hunger for a year. The like, that's
Speaker 1: what we're looking at in terms of the kind of
Speaker 1: what the effects that money has, rather than like fucking
Speaker 1: more a p c S for the fucking cops. Like,
Speaker 1: what did you guys ever hear about that? I think
Speaker 1: it was freaking omics, But basically, like I think it
Speaker 1: was related to abortion and like when women could have abortions,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, after Roe v. Wade, like
Speaker 1: the murder rate dropped, it was geificantly. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's pretty controversial, like the their science of it,
Speaker 1: the conclusion. Yeah, their conclusions on that are a little
Speaker 1: controversial in terms of because yeah, I know that that
Speaker 1: fucking blew my mind when I read it too, But
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the controversy is because I
Speaker 1: think like partially people are like it kind of implies
Speaker 1: eugenics type thing, and also people are like that was
Speaker 1: also a time when crime across the board was like
Speaker 1: going way down. Okay, fair enough, but as you know,
Speaker 1: someone who's you know, like an unwanted child is an
Speaker 1: enormous amount of stress. And I think when we're talking
Speaker 1: about like root causes and not having enough money and
Speaker 1: poverty and all those things contributing. It's like yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And you look at even just now because
Speaker 1: Democrats and Congress couldn't even get their ship together to
Speaker 1: extend the child tax credit, there's are now millions of
Speaker 1: children are now with the snap of a finger or
Speaker 1: with the lack of fucking energy or vigor from from politicians,
Speaker 1: are millions of kids are now in poverty again because
Speaker 1: that little bit of money is all it takes to
Speaker 1: like when someone's on a knife edge to either be
Speaker 1: in poverty or just out of it being able to
Speaker 1: eke out somewhat normal life. But I I also just
Speaker 1: can't believe the lack of coverage for the way that
Speaker 1: the police have responded to the idea of defunding the police,
Speaker 1: which again means like funding the police lesson investing, you know,
Speaker 1: community solutions. That the police have openly responded to our
Speaker 1: outrage over their murdering of innocent people by being more
Speaker 1: brutal failing to respond when crimes are in progress, Like
Speaker 1: that's something that I know was happening, because I like
Speaker 1: no people to whom that has happened, like over the
Speaker 1: course of the like two years now, that that continues
Speaker 1: to be a refrain where the police like, yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: we were defunded, and when actually actuality, They've continued to
Speaker 1: be funded at levels like unprecedented in the history of
Speaker 1: human civilization. There's been no restraint added to their tactics.
Speaker 1: They've continued to murder unarmed men and women of color
Speaker 1: with impunity, and their attitude seems to be that they're
Speaker 1: at war with the people who they're policing now more
Speaker 1: than ever because the people who they're policing dared criticize them,
Speaker 1: Like how is that not a story that is constantly
Speaker 1: being covered like it's an unbelievable fucking threat to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's while when you have throughout all this, right, we
Speaker 1: also have stories like man, flight attendants are dealing with
Speaker 1: the rowdiest motherfucker's on planes than ever before, and what
Speaker 1: did they do? Some airlines said, Okay, this is the situation.
Speaker 1: We have people who have to deal with the public.
Speaker 1: The flight attendants have to deal with the passengers. We
Speaker 1: found out from the from the flight attendants who have
Speaker 1: to deal with this that their lives are difficult and
Speaker 1: more chaotic because they're dealing with rowdy people. How do
Speaker 1: we turn down the rowdy nous from the passengers? The
Speaker 1: fucking airlines had the wherewithal to say, maybe we serve
Speaker 1: less alcohol because that seems to be getting people turned up.
Speaker 1: There seems to be some stimulant. There seems to be
Speaker 1: some added to a factor to the equation that is
Speaker 1: increasing the chaos that our flight attendants are experiencing when
Speaker 1: they take to the skies. If I feel like you could,
Speaker 1: you could extend that to how police work, right, they say, damn,
Speaker 1: people are fucking turned up out there is the is
Speaker 1: the solution more flight attendants? No, they said, let's I'm
Speaker 1: the flight attendance with bigger RoboCop flight attendant. Right, And
Speaker 1: in this version, right, someone would say, what's making people
Speaker 1: act this way? It's they experienced severe lack Yeah, so
Speaker 1: because of that, that's that's putting people into mental states
Speaker 1: or or situations of having to survive what You're seeing
Speaker 1: them do things that you call illegal. So maybe to
Speaker 1: do that you turn down the fucking heat that even
Speaker 1: gets somebody to the point where they considered a steal
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like we're talking like like the kinds of
Speaker 1: low level crime that the New York Times and ship
Speaker 1: want to act like that's why the fucking whole world
Speaker 1: is going down? But why not address because that seems
Speaker 1: to be the key here. But again, like any disingenuous
Speaker 1: attempt at solving a problem, it's just gonna say, well,
Speaker 1: let's just do the thing that benefits us the most.
Speaker 1: We need to be paid more. Actually that's the problem.
Speaker 1: We're not paid more to fucking kill people. And if I,
Speaker 1: if they gave a funk, they would actually be coming
Speaker 1: about real solutions how to address what causes crime rather
Speaker 1: than be like, we need more community based police overtime.
Speaker 1: Let's get that overtime, sweet sweet overtime. But the bystanders
Speaker 1: like coming through and helping one another. Like, while that
Speaker 1: sounds like a weird, like a weird thing to just
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you guys are on your own type
Speaker 1: thing at this. At the first of all, it does
Speaker 1: appear that way even while we're funding than YPD like
Speaker 1: to be the sixth highest funded military in the world
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But there's also like the first
Speaker 1: of all, like anyone who wants to call it a
Speaker 1: good cop, that's like that's like if there's a if
Speaker 1: there's a good a good person who is like smart
Speaker 1: and resourceful and working as a police officer. I want
Speaker 1: them doing a different job like that is helping the community,
Speaker 1: like or just as an unarmed like person who is
Speaker 1: trying to help people out like like, I'm sure they
Speaker 1: would be good at fucking helping solve things if they
Speaker 1: If there is such a good thing, what are we
Speaker 1: supposed to get more unarmed like peacekeepers. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's no follow through on those stories, like you
Speaker 1: don't see that and then but the thing is there, right,
Speaker 1: there's no follow through on the stories because it does
Speaker 1: happen and the results are yeah, sh it worked, right. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not that that that doesn't leave because it doesn't bleed, right.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where like we have to really
Speaker 1: ask ourselves and the kinds of stories we engaged with,
Speaker 1: like what's actually reflecting our reality and how much are
Speaker 1: we getting absolutely absolutely headfucked by disingenuous actors who are
Speaker 1: a inco hoots with the people who like cover up
Speaker 1: the physical manifestations of the failures of capitalism the police, okay,
Speaker 1: and they go to their friends who have the fucking
Speaker 1: ears and eyes of most people in the country that
Speaker 1: the media and just keep reinforcing this thing, which is
Speaker 1: it's not inequality, it's not the fucking police, it's not this,
Speaker 1: it's not the real fucking thing, And just keep us
Speaker 1: in this funhouse where we look at these fucked up
Speaker 1: versions of our realities. But so many people are unable
Speaker 1: to arrive at the conclusion because they're just served this
Speaker 1: distorted ship over and over and I get a repetition
Speaker 1: becomes reality. There's so many people who think everything is
Speaker 1: so fucked up everywhere, and it's like on an emotional level, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna argue with that. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of suffering out there. But like when when these very
Speaker 1: opportunistic stories come out which are trying to like keep
Speaker 1: progress from occurring or to take back the gains of
Speaker 1: like progressive like lawmakers who are trying to say, like
Speaker 1: were incarcerating too many people, that's just when I don't know,
Speaker 1: We're just we just got an increasingly fucked up, untenable situation.
Speaker 1: And yeah, my desires for us to really be able
Speaker 1: to more people, to be able to really look at
Speaker 1: this and kind of think of, like what where our
Speaker 1: part is in this whole equation? And we've talked before
Speaker 1: about that Eugene Oregon. I think it was like community
Speaker 1: police Force. Those like basically they're two help people who
Speaker 1: are having started out with like trying to help people
Speaker 1: who are having bad drug experiences, but then it became
Speaker 1: like we're just here too. You know, if you need
Speaker 1: somebody and you don't want that somebody to come in
Speaker 1: with a gun pointed at you, then like that's what
Speaker 1: we're here for. And like the profiles read of them,
Speaker 1: the stuff that they're doing is just things that anyone
Speaker 1: can do if they're just patient and willing to listen
Speaker 1: and like learn what is happening in the situation, which
Speaker 1: it sounds like is what is working in this subway?
Speaker 1: S your thing? It's like, okay, well I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I may have some CPR training and there's a person
Speaker 1: who's bleeding right there, so I'm going to put that
Speaker 1: training into effect, or you know, Zach coming through and
Speaker 1: just being like that's the person from all those news bulletins.
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring attention to the fact that that's
Speaker 1: who that is. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, you look,
Speaker 1: there's there and there's so many studies like about what
Speaker 1: what armed police versus unarmed police do like in general,
Speaker 1: not like broadly over what's better for crime, but like
Speaker 1: there's so many things about saying that these interventions you're
Speaker 1: talking about how effective they are that and also on
Speaker 1: the other side that militarized police forces do not enhance
Speaker 1: public safety or reduce crime at all. The only thing
Speaker 1: militarized police forces do is funk up their reputation in
Speaker 1: the public. And that's all it is. There's no they
Speaker 1: can't even point to the fact. It's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: when we send these people will out look like fucking
Speaker 1: Seal Team six to go bust a fucking meth dealer
Speaker 1: or something that that's not that that's bringing crime down.
Speaker 1: It isn't. Yeah. There there's this other story Jam hit
Speaker 1: us with about the police real quick that I got
Speaker 1: I gotta touch on because it's right. They keep doing
Speaker 1: things where when they see themselves where somebody taking video
Speaker 1: of them. Rather than being like, well, that's their right,
Speaker 1: you know, we we work for them. Instead of doing that,
Speaker 1: they start playing copyrighted music as loud as they can
Speaker 1: because somebody told them that that will get that will
Speaker 1: make it so the video can't be posted on social media.
Speaker 1: So uninherently like trying to It's like them wiping their
Speaker 1: prints like it's a it's a thing a guilty person does,
Speaker 1: like trying to like funk with the evidence of their wrongdoing,
Speaker 1: like right off the bat, which just uninherently creepy and
Speaker 1: like menacing thing to do. There's an example from a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks back where I was trying to access
Speaker 1: bodycam footage at a Beverly Hills police station and filming
Speaker 1: the encounter on Instagram, and the copy was dealing with
Speaker 1: whipped out his phone and started playing Sublime, the notorious
Speaker 1: pro police band Sublime. And then that same police department
Speaker 1: previously did something similar within My Life the Beatles song
Speaker 1: the like really heartfelt Beatles song that's hilarious. And then
Speaker 1: there was one that went viral last June where a
Speaker 1: cops started playing Taylor Swift, which completely backfired. The clip
Speaker 1: promptly went viral, was uploaded YouTube, where it is still
Speaker 1: available now and has been viewed millions of times. There's
Speaker 1: also like a week ago, cops pulled up to a
Speaker 1: residential street in Santa Anna at eleven o'clock at night
Speaker 1: while investigating a stolen vehicle and started absolutely blasting a
Speaker 1: playlist of Disney songs, and the officer on the scene
Speaker 1: admitted it was to create copyright infringement. When one of
Speaker 1: the people whose children he woke up was a city
Speaker 1: councilman who he recognized and was like apparently intimidated by,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I'm sorry, okay, and the
Speaker 1: guy like made him apologize to all the families, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it was wild. When that guy came out, He's like,
Speaker 1: do you know who I am? The city council person?
Speaker 1: You know whatever? Dead whatever, like cane to do. This
Speaker 1: is gonna get copy blocked anyway, narrator. In fact, it
Speaker 1: did not get copyright blocked. So this is like the
Speaker 1: other thing that I just want to point out about.
Speaker 1: This is the competence the most powerful individual actors in
Speaker 1: our society, like individual citizens with the right to use
Speaker 1: deadly force without consequence, are being run with the integrity
Speaker 1: and tactical understanding of truth of like an elderly relative
Speaker 1: who believes, like email forwards like that this whole strategy
Speaker 1: is based on nothing. It does not work, has never worked.
Speaker 1: YouTube claims you're allowed to use whatever music you want
Speaker 1: in the background of something like if it's just incidental
Speaker 1: like this. So like, guy, and here's a clip of
Speaker 1: your friend at a bar, and you're like, hey, put
Speaker 1: it on YouTube, but it's not actually like loaded into
Speaker 1: part of like the audio track. The sweepers don't pick
Speaker 1: it up in that way, and if they do, the
Speaker 1: other part is they'll just put a pre roll ad
Speaker 1: in front of it, because then they'll say, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is actually a Beastie Boys track. We'll just put an
Speaker 1: ad in front of it, so then the Beastie Boys
Speaker 1: can monetize it. But you can continue, well, we'll make
Speaker 1: your police brutality video wildly available, widely available. We just
Speaker 1: need to monetize it, which is also fucking bizarre land already.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what assholes in the I watched the
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift video, which I hadn't seen before, but oh
Speaker 1: my god, to just like start that in the middle
Speaker 1: right like it's you know, it's like he's no, he
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He's kind of acknowledging it in
Speaker 1: the moment, and the person's calling him on it. It's
Speaker 1: just like, dude, what are you doing? How do you
Speaker 1: think this is going to turn out well for you?
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as like if a cop like
Speaker 1: was caught doing something and they started taking off their
Speaker 1: uniform in front of you while you have them on
Speaker 1: camera and putting on like a costume and be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. You're like, you
Speaker 1: are trying You're trying to obscure the facts right now
Speaker 1: by doing this. No, I'm just playing uh sublime, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, where were you at ninety two? I mean
Speaker 1: I was beating the funk out of Rodney King. And
Speaker 1: but that's the whole other story. That's what the cops
Speaker 1: would be saying. Think about the fact that so that
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift video was from over a year ago. I
Speaker 1: think it hasn't been taken down, only became popular because
Speaker 1: of how stupid it was, and they're still using this tactic.
Speaker 1: Like think about the level of you know, investigate investigative
Speaker 1: rigor that they're putting into this, which is like their
Speaker 1: way of being like ha ha, no one can catch us.
Speaker 1: And then think about how fucking bad they must be
Speaker 1: at their jobs. They just go around and bully poor people.
Speaker 1: That's all they fucking do. Yeah, I mean this is
Speaker 1: like the same ship, Like how long have we known
Speaker 1: that broken windows policing doesn't work apparently, you know, we
Speaker 1: never knew that because exactly right, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: the facts say. It's just about these habits that they have,
Speaker 1: and because on the other side of it, they don't
Speaker 1: actually experience any form of regulating or fallout from their actions,
Speaker 1: like they're just in like the worst form of being,
Speaker 1: like yes, manned into like the worst dumb fucking way
Speaker 1: of behaving because all they have is positive reinforcement for
Speaker 1: every dumb fucking idea they have, and you're left with, Yeah,
Speaker 1: incompetent people who rarely have to answer for their incompetence,
Speaker 1: only furthering their incompetence. And the way it's written about
Speaker 1: in The New York Times is that broken windows policing
Speaker 1: is a tactic used by the m y P in
Speaker 1: an attempt to bring down crime of all sorts. So
Speaker 1: they take them at their word of what the intent
Speaker 1: is of this thing, and not no like follow up
Speaker 1: or second sentence fragment where they're like, but it obviously
Speaker 1: doesn't work and is effect functionally just a way for
Speaker 1: them to control poor and communities of color. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: New York Times is the fucking cops they're really fucking
Speaker 1: bad at their jobs, like worse than I could have
Speaker 1: possibly imagined. I mean, how do you fucking write any art?
Speaker 1: How are you going to do anything like balanced in
Speaker 1: terms of journalism and only take like like not being
Speaker 1: discerning in the kind of cherry picked evidence or studies
Speaker 1: are pointed to to like prove your point and in
Speaker 1: no way try to attempt to explain an issue like
Speaker 1: as best as your abilities can as a journal because
Speaker 1: you have the abilities, Like I know, I've read good
Speaker 1: articles in the New York Countians like you guys, you
Speaker 1: are good writers and that you have you employ a
Speaker 1: lot of really smart journalists. But I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuss going on over there. Right, Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk about why
Speaker 1: none of it matters because aliens are gonna come destroy
Speaker 1: us anyways. And we're back and just at a surface
Speaker 1: levels that have you guys watched any any coach Hella coverage,
Speaker 1: if you watched any of the performances streamed anything. I
Speaker 1: just saw pictures of people celebrities that were there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen like the two seconds of a Billie Eilish
Speaker 1: performance that they keep showing me on Twitter to be
Speaker 1: like check it out. It was like the number one
Speaker 1: trending thing for like four days out of the five
Speaker 1: days this week, the same clip over and over again.
Speaker 1: I don't know if my Twitter like is broke in
Speaker 1: or what, but it just felt it felt like they
Speaker 1: really wanted me to to watch that. But those two
Speaker 1: seconds looked like there was a lot of energy there.
Speaker 1: You know, I I'm not that interested in like watching
Speaker 1: video of live music performances personally, that's just like not
Speaker 1: a thing. I mean unless you're watching like an actual
Speaker 1: produced to like music, like a rock documentary or concert documentary.
Speaker 1: But yeah, phone footage of a live show not gonna
Speaker 1: kind of work. But I mean, the wildest thing was
Speaker 1: to see uh like Leonardo DiCaprio would like just completely
Speaker 1: masked up, like like blowing through there like some ghost.
Speaker 1: It's just being like I'm here, but you'll never see
Speaker 1: my face and I'm vaping. But the yeah, he he
Speaker 1: had a mask on that like covered up most of
Speaker 1: his face. It looked like one of those U those
Speaker 1: uh fencing like masks. So I got some tickets you're
Speaker 1: trying to unload jack or what? Yeah? Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it looks up tight and like people should maybe
Speaker 1: think about like hitting me up on Twitter. G ms
Speaker 1: are open and this weekend second weekends supposed to be
Speaker 1: the best, so just check it out. Uh so that's
Speaker 1: been Coachella. No, So Jackman did this article where they
Speaker 1: were talking about, like, you know, coach Ella continues to
Speaker 1: be at the bleeding edge of capitalist bullshit, and there's
Speaker 1: like some good points in there. I just think they're
Speaker 1: a little bit dismissive of like how potent like this
Speaker 1: this festival and this ideal is. You know, they highlight
Speaker 1: the barge barges full of garbage and like months of
Speaker 1: water supply being sucked out of a very delicate ecosystem
Speaker 1: in single weekends. Uh. This year, there's an n f
Speaker 1: T spin on it where you're given an n f
Speaker 1: T desert flower seed and then you get to sit
Speaker 1: back and watch it bloom. And if you get one
Speaker 1: of the six rare desert flowers, if that's what your
Speaker 1: nf T blooms into, you get like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like the big stuffed animal or some sh it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what what's that? Did you get insulin? Oh? Yeah, exactly?
Speaker 1: But truly feels like the the n f T market
Speaker 1: is just evolving into a elementary school carnival. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: and the people who keep hockey them cannot read the room. Ever.
Speaker 1: Zig Cody Ziggler pointed out this thing that there was
Speaker 1: like an n f T like a board ape yacht
Speaker 1: club thing that was supposed to be in like in
Speaker 1: like sort of coincide with four twenty and like weed
Speaker 1: justice for black people, but as an n f T,
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is all bad, Like this is
Speaker 1: so has completely no awareness at all around what anyone
Speaker 1: thinks of this or even what the imagery is of,
Speaker 1: like putting an ape with like the context of like
Speaker 1: black people are incarcerated because of like weed charges um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah that that ball keep throwing steadily. But
Speaker 1: so the detailer jumped out to me is just kind
Speaker 1: of having some familiarity with the history of Americans currently
Speaker 1: known as the Baby Boomers. That Burning Man or Sorry
Speaker 1: Coachella was originally designed by its founders as a synthesis
Speaker 1: of nineties music festivals. Burning Man and quote the sixties
Speaker 1: era longing for a new world, which three days in
Speaker 1: the desert helps satisfy m M and I just thought
Speaker 1: that was like to be dismissive of that is a mistake.
Speaker 1: That's like so specific and clear, and it was so
Speaker 1: effective with the baby boomers, you know, they had like
Speaker 1: all these revolutionary impulses, and like they took that. And
Speaker 1: with the case of Coachella, they give it a fun,
Speaker 1: like pretty release valve that's neatly contained in the middle
Speaker 1: of the desert, doesn't actually have any impact and in
Speaker 1: fact enriches American Express or whoever the corporate sponsors are.
Speaker 1: But like Woodstock was a music festival conceived by Fifth Avenue,
Speaker 1: like admin, and like that history is like only slowly
Speaker 1: like trickled out. But any sort of idealism of the
Speaker 1: sixties like got turned into just like advertising aesthetic basically,
Speaker 1: and the people who got rich off of that aesthetic
Speaker 1: are in the business of making sure that like you understand,
Speaker 1: it's just an aesthetic that is like fun to visit
Speaker 1: every once in a while, and you know it's created
Speaker 1: the current world, like the what what happened with the sixties?
Speaker 1: And like I highly recommend the electric kool Aid asset
Speaker 1: tests the tracking of the Mary Prankster's and like the
Speaker 1: LSD movement that sprung up around like The Grateful Dead
Speaker 1: and ken Ksi and like that just kind of falling apart.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, like we like that. That's very
Speaker 1: that's very potent to be like, yeah, no, we just
Speaker 1: like create this little pop up shop Disneyland for people
Speaker 1: where we you know, make beautiful advertisement versions of the
Speaker 1: issues you care about. You get to take home a souvenir,
Speaker 1: you get to take pictures there that like put you
Speaker 1: in an environment where it seems like you're actually engaging
Speaker 1: with the thing. And then you're done, and like that
Speaker 1: you can go back to the big loneliness as someone
Speaker 1: recently called it when talking about Rec's eggs. And I
Speaker 1: just think it's it's important to recognize that like that
Speaker 1: group that like started out with those idealistic impulses are
Speaker 1: now the group that's like funding or that's fueling like
Speaker 1: you and on and the rise of Donald Trump and ship.
Speaker 1: So like we have an opportunity to not do that
Speaker 1: with a lot of the like energy around social justice
Speaker 1: and social movements. But I think it's important that people
Speaker 1: like recognize that this is somewhat insidious. What when it's
Speaker 1: like converted into just a an ad for American Express
Speaker 1: that you participate in creating on your Instagram feed. But
Speaker 1: you're saying like it's but more than that, the insidious
Speaker 1: nature is to give people this like sort of well
Speaker 1: coordinated distraction to just kind of take a little wind
Speaker 1: out of the sales. So you're like, yeah, blow some
Speaker 1: steam off at Coachella. Then I can go back to
Speaker 1: toiling and not really getting the itch to like cause
Speaker 1: like even your reference this line of saying like spent
Speaker 1: to spend three days in like a world that three
Speaker 1: days in a new world, longing for a new world,
Speaker 1: which three days in the desert helps satisfy just sort
Speaker 1: of subdue the longing for the new world. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you associated with that, like suddenly your idea for like
Speaker 1: a socialist society or like community where you can like
Speaker 1: be part of a community with other people and like
Speaker 1: be outdoors and outdoor spaces, Suddenly that's something you associate
Speaker 1: with like a trip to the desert for three days
Speaker 1: instead of something that you like work with your u,
Speaker 1: like the people in your community to accomplish uh in
Speaker 1: your community. Like it becomes just a part of Disneyland
Speaker 1: of like this like simulacrum of like an idealistic society
Speaker 1: that actually is contained by American express, like the like
Speaker 1: try to imagine hearing that like a revolution rose up
Speaker 1: on the Coachella campgrounds, like like it's it's impossible because
Speaker 1: it's so carefully tailored. There's also a New Yorker article
Speaker 1: that like follows around the guy who created Coachella, and
Speaker 1: you know he's just trying to make money. But like
Speaker 1: the thing that was the scariest moment for him in
Speaker 1: the history of the festival was when like people figured
Speaker 1: out how to clone the bracelets and like they had
Speaker 1: a gate crashing issue, Like it's that's how carefully content
Speaker 1: it is. Well, I mean, I think everyone's so fucked
Speaker 1: up there. I don't know what they're bringing back with
Speaker 1: them at the end of it, but they may be
Speaker 1: subdued by the amount of trucks either way. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Like I don't I don't mean to, Like
Speaker 1: I I also don't look down on anyone going to
Speaker 1: Coachella and like going and getting funked up in the
Speaker 1: desert and like around music they love. I just I
Speaker 1: think it's I don't know, I think the packaging of
Speaker 1: it and the engaging with it, like it's not just
Speaker 1: merely that you're going to a music festival. There are
Speaker 1: other people who are trying to do a lot of marketing, normalizing, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's not it's not it's not as I
Speaker 1: guess it's not as what it appears to maybe on
Speaker 1: the consumer side versus what you know, companies like you're
Speaker 1: mentioning get out of it too to associate their name
Speaker 1: with like oh, check out the like Pepsi cold water
Speaker 1: filling like station, and now you're like, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: the water filling thing from the company that also sucks
Speaker 1: drinking water out of the earth, like that sort of
Speaker 1: mixed signaling essentially. Yeah, I don't know, it just it's
Speaker 1: a it feels, you know. The whole thesis of our
Speaker 1: show is that there's this collective unconscious and that like
Speaker 1: people are smarter than than the mainstream like media apparatus
Speaker 1: like often gives them credit for. And I think like
Speaker 1: all of the ship matters, like the messages we get
Speaker 1: from the fact that, oh yeah, like the richest family
Speaker 1: in Germany are like Nazi billionaires. The Coachella is like
Speaker 1: taking all the things that are actually like serious, good,
Speaker 1: beautiful ideas that we should be thinking about incorporating into
Speaker 1: our daily lives and like turn them into a aesthetic
Speaker 1: that like you you know, get to bathe in on
Speaker 1: Instagram for a couple of days and then like move
Speaker 1: on from Like I think all that stuff is has
Speaker 1: an impact. That is what has kept people advocating, like,
Speaker 1: you know, not advocating for their best interests for the
Speaker 1: past like fifty sixty years. Basically, Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: wonder if the difference is right because at least boomers
Speaker 1: and Gen xers they were able to benefit from an
Speaker 1: economy that began to subdue a lot of those revolutionary impulses, right,
Speaker 1: because especially with the eighties, we're like, oh, you're yuppies.
Speaker 1: Now you're sold out or whatever, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm now a guy, i M actually have access to wealth.
Speaker 1: But millennials and younger we're not, We're not following that
Speaker 1: same path. So I think they're I'm I'm I'm curious,
Speaker 1: how like what has to happen where you have to
Speaker 1: kind of really take the to subdue the ear is
Speaker 1: that are so many young people feel now around like
Speaker 1: saying like dude, I'm completely disillusioned by my lack of opportunity,
Speaker 1: Like I'm in fact, I've become nihilistic. Where you know,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you like turn that person
Speaker 1: into like a good, you know, target shopping consumer for
Speaker 1: life type person, especially when they don't even have the
Speaker 1: money to do stuff within the first place. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think maybe that's like the weird moment that we're
Speaker 1: into is like that process is a little bit slowing
Speaker 1: down because of the massive amounts of inequality. Yeah, David,
Speaker 1: what are what are your thoughts? Both says you know
Speaker 1: someone from outside the country, but also you know somebody
Speaker 1: who used to report for Bloomberg Like where where where
Speaker 1: do you kind of fall on this whole like moment
Speaker 1: in American idealism? I guess I'm I'm extremely worried about well,
Speaker 1: particularly what's going on in America the polemic. But so
Speaker 1: and I mean I write about it in the book.
Speaker 1: You know, when I started reporting for Bloomberg News in
Speaker 1: eleven on this team, it was literally the last week
Speaker 1: of November eleven when when Zuccardi Park, when occupied Wall
Speaker 1: Street was forcibly removed overnight. It was the beginning of
Speaker 1: the debate of the one percent versus or now it's
Speaker 1: it's transformed into the zero point one percent versus n
Speaker 1: and that you know, the you know, the bifurcation of
Speaker 1: society and the you know, afterwards came Piccatti, of course,
Speaker 1: who took at to the next level and also showed
Speaker 1: gave the historical context. But it's only got to gotten
Speaker 1: worse in recent years. And I'm deeply concerned for the
Speaker 1: future of America. I'm very concerned for the future of
Speaker 1: Europe as well, because it has so it has similar problems,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of the incredible inequality of wealth
Speaker 1: and and and the haves and have not have not.
Speaker 1: You know, is is also undermining you know, the fabric
Speaker 1: of Europe and European Union as it is in the
Speaker 1: United States in terms of political spending, on political capital,
Speaker 1: political power, the shaping of American capitalism as it you know,
Speaker 1: we started off this episode talking about Earth Day and
Speaker 1: and scientists saying, oh, it's going only going to be
Speaker 1: two degrees, you know, in the next century. The problem
Speaker 1: of wealth inequality in one hand, and and and climate
Speaker 1: change at the other, which very much go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm really sorry, but I'm worried that
Speaker 1: it's already you know, it's too late. You know, it's
Speaker 1: that where we're you know, we're on the on the
Speaker 1: precipice of day of decades of disaster and war and
Speaker 1: troubles and and you know, I don't know, I'm very
Speaker 1: concerned for the world. Sorry to leave you guys with this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's something we all feel because
Speaker 1: it's there's the rigidity of it all when we're seeing
Speaker 1: that the way that the powers that be are the wealthy,
Speaker 1: choose to solve problems and actually exacerbate the existing problems,
Speaker 1: and they can't see that terrible feedback loop that, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's why a lot of people are like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess the wheels have to completely fall off for
Speaker 1: people to figure it out. Um, but can that happen
Speaker 1: or on the other side of it, even see people
Speaker 1: how they're even saying like, well, you know what, we'll
Speaker 1: spend our way out of climate change. We'll build and
Speaker 1: innovate our way out of climate change, and we'll just
Speaker 1: spend more money and experiment more rather than just doing
Speaker 1: the very simple thing, which is like begin to switch
Speaker 1: to renewable sources of energy and really have and think
Speaker 1: of like what the amount of you know, carbon output
Speaker 1: that certain industry is or admitting every year. But rather
Speaker 1: than doing that, it's like, no, we'll just keep doing
Speaker 1: this and like we do, if a problem comes up,
Speaker 1: we'll just spend money to try and figure it out.
Speaker 1: But at that point, I just feel like the problems
Speaker 1: are being insurmountable where no amount of money can be
Speaker 1: spent to, like I don't know, have a desalinization plant
Speaker 1: that could you know, like hydrate the entire hemisphere. What
Speaker 1: are we talking about here in that scenario. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what is a little bit disillusioning, is that, oh,
Speaker 1: we see that the same problem solving mentality is we're
Speaker 1: just going to stay in place because of the people
Speaker 1: that are entower consistent. All right, that's gonna do it
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