Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty four,
Speaker 1: Episode five of The Daily Like Guys, It's a production
Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we
Speaker 1: take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Friday, April,
Speaker 1: which of course means it's National Hairball Awareness Day. You
Speaker 1: gotta be aware of the hairballs for the health of
Speaker 1: your animal friends. You know, maybe groom if your cats
Speaker 1: haven't coughing up a lot of hairballs, help out with
Speaker 1: the grooming. I don't know my cats is Luckily you
Speaker 1: don't have that issue. Um, but yeah, bring awareness because yeah,
Speaker 1: these are not like pellets like an owl coughs up
Speaker 1: after swallowing a rabbit hole. This is these are from
Speaker 1: the grooming process. Yeah, and then you take because you know,
Speaker 1: cats groom themselves and then they ingest their hair and
Speaker 1: they either pass it, you know, the naturally, or they
Speaker 1: cough them up as we all even see coughing up
Speaker 1: a hairball. Um, yeah, I didn't. I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: it could be. It could get so bad. That's that's
Speaker 1: I'm blessed with cats who don't have this issue. So yeah,
Speaker 1: please be aware of folks. Hair balls are out there.
Speaker 1: You got the you got the short hair ones right
Speaker 1: like the doctor sucking their coats as long as fun.
Speaker 1: Oh they are well, oh my god, you see their
Speaker 1: tails look like fucking like you thought a marching band
Speaker 1: was coming through these plumes that's up in there. Um. Alright, well,
Speaker 1: I'm Jack O'Brien a K I'll bite you with my
Speaker 1: vampire straws. You've never bled this fast before. All I
Speaker 1: wanted was to leave two holes, but you you stay
Speaker 1: ached me. That is courtesy of t Z Burner. Um.
Speaker 1: It's about the physiology of vampire teeth and the fact
Speaker 1: that I I believed for a long time still kind
Speaker 1: of believe that their teeth suck the blood through them. Um,
Speaker 1: like reverse poisonous snake bites. Um, Miles and I both
Speaker 1: believe that. Hey who's Miles. Uh well, I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined. As always buy my co host, Mr Miles.
Speaker 1: If you having cruisial problems, I feel bad for your son.
Speaker 1: I got eighty eight keys, but eight playing one hit me. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yesterday's guest Nicole was talking about her She was on
Speaker 1: a Christian it's a piano show called eight eight and
Speaker 1: the dude who was supposedly playing the piano. It was
Speaker 1: pantomiming the whole time with a backage easier to staff
Speaker 1: a position of guy. Who I just love that, Like
Speaker 1: I would love to do a show because like I
Speaker 1: feel like I could fake play a lot of instruments,
Speaker 1: Like I can play a couple instruments, but like I
Speaker 1: would love to pick up like a flute and just
Speaker 1: do a fake flute solo hop on piano do on that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could sell it. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: mean just watching you type. You're just finishing an email
Speaker 1: before we started recording, and it was like watching you know,
Speaker 1: somebody just jam out on the on the piano. You
Speaker 1: had your eyes closed, you were standing up, using your
Speaker 1: butt at times, elbows the Jimmy Hendrix of Maybs Beacons. Um, well,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and by the way, apologies for anybody who
Speaker 1: got some audio issues on yesterday's episode up top. Uh
Speaker 1: they have been fixed if you want to go redownload that.
Speaker 1: Um yet, yeah, are audio just was not there for
Speaker 1: like the first ten minutes. Um, it's we're good, We're
Speaker 1: back and we're thrilled to be joining our third seat
Speaker 1: by the extremely talented podcast host and digital activist who
Speaker 1: you can hear on her brilliant podcast There Are No
Speaker 1: Girls on the Internet. It's Bridget Tale. Oh. I love
Speaker 1: the warm welcome, thank you for having me. I have
Speaker 1: to tell you I once went to a Britney Spears
Speaker 1: concert where when she played the song every time, she
Speaker 1: was sitting at a piano. But then and there was
Speaker 1: piano music playing, and that she was playing it, and
Speaker 1: then she got up from the piano and the piano
Speaker 1: music continued. Yeah, good, we don't care, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't care. It's a show, you know, why not? That's
Speaker 1: a I love when an artist wants to sit at
Speaker 1: a piano like Axel Rose used to love to do that.
Speaker 1: I think he didn't play like every once in a while,
Speaker 1: but it was it was important for him to open
Speaker 1: up the MTV Video Music Awards performance sitting at a piano.
Speaker 1: You know. That was like, Oh, you thought I was
Speaker 1: just a rock star. No, no, no, no, really, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of a I'm a musician, a composer. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say, just playing night. Yes, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Who are they emulating? Is that like an old Sinatra thing?
Speaker 1: Or like Tony Bennett. You know that, because that's like
Speaker 1: the thing where it's like, all right, we had enough
Speaker 1: of that, enough a rocket, let's get let's get over
Speaker 1: to this piano really quick, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Spotlight because that's like a trope right for like music concerts,
Speaker 1: and I know it obviously starts somewhere like is it Elvis?
Speaker 1: M did Elvis? Remember I've never seen Elvis at a piano,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a huge Elvis fan. So oh yeah, man, um,
Speaker 1: that most famous one he did right before he died.
Speaker 1: I don't like to acknowledge that he died. I actually
Speaker 1: don't believe he did. So okay, my bad, My bad,
Speaker 1: My bad. I forgot about that Men and Black, Men
Speaker 1: and Black But yeah, he plays a Yeah, he plays piano.
Speaker 1: You don't know that. M hmm. I mean, what's that
Speaker 1: track he played right like one of the last concerts
Speaker 1: he did. It's like a really iconic performance and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, this makes me think of Elton John Melody Okay,
Speaker 1: chained melody. Oh yeah, and he's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: could tell he looks he looks unhealthy as fuck in
Speaker 1: that show is the last concert and he's ripping the piano.
Speaker 1: Damn all right, Elvis. Um, I mean that that does
Speaker 1: seem to play against type, right, you you typically want
Speaker 1: to see the whole, the whole, Elvis. You want to
Speaker 1: see the hip swiveling, the honey and the hips and
Speaker 1: uh happening those days. So I mean it does give
Speaker 1: you a chance to sit down, uh when when you're
Speaker 1: maybe a rock star who who's past their physical prime,
Speaker 1: you know, and just be like chilling. Um. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just wanted I just again, I think I do respect
Speaker 1: the mid concert piano break. Yeah. I think Elton, John,
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder Like, those are the people who I think
Speaker 1: of when I think of somebody at a concert just
Speaker 1: destroying the room from behind a piano. Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, because we think. I think the fun part
Speaker 1: is when someone who is not known for playing keys
Speaker 1: is like to get to the keys real quick. But Brittany, Brittany,
Speaker 1: I love the Brittany that. That's an amazing Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of the best concerts of my entire life. How old
Speaker 1: were you? Oh? I was fully in my twenties that
Speaker 1: long ago. Yeahs was it the Vegas Show? It was
Speaker 1: Vegas And I'm looking back, you know, I know those shows.
Speaker 1: Now we know that, like, perhaps those shows were not
Speaker 1: as pleasant for her as they were for me and
Speaker 1: the audience. But who she is? Dot keep appearing on
Speaker 1: her right. You know. I saw this video of her
Speaker 1: where she was performing in Vegas and she kept talking
Speaker 1: about how she was sick and she didn't feel well.
Speaker 1: And then you watched the documentary Framing Britney Spears and
Speaker 1: she talks about how they forced her to perform when sick,
Speaker 1: and those concerts have a whole new like very grim meeting. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not to bum everybody out, yeah, but I mean, like,
Speaker 1: let's let's just you know, put some respect on on
Speaker 1: her name and what the what she sacrificed so you
Speaker 1: guys could see the best concerts you've ever seen. That's
Speaker 1: why she had to play the fake piano. Okay, Bridget,
Speaker 1: she would have played the real one, really played any
Speaker 1: other day, but she was sick. She was doing the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you saw her flu game, like her greatest work
Speaker 1: one of the anyway, Um, all right, well, Bridget, we're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell her listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of things. We're talking about Um, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Elon Musk ship in the context of
Speaker 1: you know, online harassment of marginalized groups of people. Um,
Speaker 1: and just generally it feels like Elon Musk has replaced
Speaker 1: Trump as the thing that just takes up all the oxygen.
Speaker 1: And everyone's like so fucking tired of hearing people talk
Speaker 1: about Elon Musk. And then wait, what do you have
Speaker 1: the fan people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you have
Speaker 1: the super fans. Um. So we'll talk about that. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about Russia's uh neo knots, the raid on like
Speaker 1: what what they claimed were neo Nazi journalists. Uh there,
Speaker 1: the it appears to be a wildly unconvincing frame job. Um.
Speaker 1: And so I just want to talk about that general
Speaker 1: trend of like not even trying very hard when you lie, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, draw draw line between that Trump even
Speaker 1: even like like with a Simpsons ask like literal misshap
Speaker 1: trying to frame someone like you literally got okay, wow,
Speaker 1: not dealing with our a team here. Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: get those sim sim cards. Oh whoops, Um, did you
Speaker 1: see that? They More on that, More on that in
Speaker 1: a moment. We'll dip back into the NPR well to
Speaker 1: just look a little bit more into the history and
Speaker 1: to the A S. M R. Of it all um,
Speaker 1: and we might even get to some Broadway shows all
Speaker 1: that plenty more. The first bridget we do like to
Speaker 1: ask our guest, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 1: A question that I googled recently is who closes the
Speaker 1: bus door when the bus driver gets off the bus? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, think about it. I saw this TikTok that
Speaker 1: asked that question, and I thought this podcast is over.
Speaker 1: I mean medical care, is this podcast is over? That's
Speaker 1: all we're talking about. I still haven't gotten to the
Speaker 1: bottom of it. If anyone knows how how bus stores
Speaker 1: get opened and closed when the driver is off the bus,
Speaker 1: I would love to know. Yeah, is it a timer?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like when you're sitting an alarm,
Speaker 1: Like you know, if you close up at like a
Speaker 1: you know, retail gig, you're like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring the gate down, let me get the alarm up,
Speaker 1: and you got like dirty seconds. I'd imagine it's much simpler,
Speaker 1: Like they're like there's a fucking lever, you know, like
Speaker 1: in a hook, or you can just pull this one
Speaker 1: partner close, But I like the philosophical question, Yeah, who
Speaker 1: closes the door for the bus driver? The superproducer Chris
Speaker 1: was filling in for superproducer Justin has suggested they do
Speaker 1: it through the window. Um, I'm not sure, like that
Speaker 1: was that was the first thing that popped into my mind,
Speaker 1: and like there there's that like smallest window drivers side
Speaker 1: and like that, Like the first thing I picture when
Speaker 1: you asked the question, was them like sliding out like
Speaker 1: one limb at a time of that just being like dah,
Speaker 1: and that's just like you you go to the bus
Speaker 1: depot and see this horrible, shameful event. Um, but Chris,
Speaker 1: if you have any proof of that or if that
Speaker 1: was just an idle suggestion, let us know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's by far the simplest and most logical way to
Speaker 1: do it. Like, Yeah, I opened the door and the
Speaker 1: button that's right there, I just go on the other
Speaker 1: side of the bus. I pressed that and then I
Speaker 1: just closed the window and through the window I was
Speaker 1: picturing them get like leaving through the window, like climbing
Speaker 1: out right. Yeah, bring the airbrakes down, then alright, sled
Speaker 1: out this fuck going through the emergency exit at the
Speaker 1: back of the school bus. These are these were what
Speaker 1: I was thinking of. But school bus windows, I feel
Speaker 1: like are are kind of small, like I did. They're high,
Speaker 1: they're high up there and small. They would have to
Speaker 1: like reach all the way to that big swingy thing.
Speaker 1: I haven't been on a school bus in many years,
Speaker 1: but that's how my school bus worked. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: I went. I went to YouTube, I said, bus driver
Speaker 1: closing bus door, And there's a video called who closes
Speaker 1: the school bus door when the driver gets off? And
Speaker 1: then I just so we're not gonna watch it. Um,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things I like having story
Speaker 1: in the world. So you don't you don't want to know. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I could, I could make this terrible for us,
Speaker 1: but this guy on TikTok's just showing us. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Mr Neil demon streat this one because
Speaker 1: he drives a bus with air. Break the bus driver,
Speaker 1: it's closed. We're at a bus depot. They want to know.
Speaker 1: How do you close the door with air when you
Speaker 1: get off the bus. You flipped the switch here. It
Speaker 1: takes the pressure off. Man. That sucks, all right? Parkour
Speaker 1: long sticks or some ship. Oh yeah, you just released
Speaker 1: the pressure and then there's no more pneumatic pressure in
Speaker 1: the door, and then you can just close it like
Speaker 1: that man. That guy looked like an idiot. I don't
Speaker 1: think he didn't know what he was talking about. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's something so complicated and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the simple answer, it's just a switch. Yeah, damn it.
Speaker 1: I'm like so mad, I am about to become a
Speaker 1: Republican like that guy's a groom or on that answer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I so angry about this answer?
Speaker 1: I think, Bridget, because you truly just my imagination went
Speaker 1: off in a million directions as they can said it,
Speaker 1: and I think I get it. I've got to i'ment
Speaker 1: to the same process. This is why I googled it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something right overrated? Besides that guy's answer, which
Speaker 1: was bullshit and a lie? Well, besides that guy's answer
Speaker 1: that was bullshit and a lie to say Tesla's. I
Speaker 1: know we're gonna talk about Elon Musk, but I felt
Speaker 1: this way even before I knew what a crummy person
Speaker 1: he is. So I think Tesla's are overrated, Like they
Speaker 1: look weird every time I hear about them. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: and I sound really fussy. I think they're overrated. And
Speaker 1: also they're made by Elon Musk. So all right, so
Speaker 1: this is a podcast where we use harsh language sometimes,
Speaker 1: but you can't use the word crummy. I mean that's
Speaker 1: too much, too much to use about. Actually, maybe let's
Speaker 1: take a break really quick out Uh yeah, what a
Speaker 1: fucking lithium they need to mind to put in those batteries.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much there. There are so many
Speaker 1: things like granted, yeah, the emissions are very different, but
Speaker 1: like the process to get there is a very uh
Speaker 1: chaotic resource extraction process. Yes. And I once read this
Speaker 1: absolutely wild thing on Twitter where someone was reporting that
Speaker 1: whatever the new version of Tesla is Um had this
Speaker 1: glitch where I don't know, I'm not even sure if
Speaker 1: it was a glitch, but it would, uh instead of
Speaker 1: stopping at stop signs, it would like roll through them
Speaker 1: at five miles an hour. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's obviously problematic because you could get pulled over, and
Speaker 1: all of these Elon Musk stands were like, it's actually
Speaker 1: safer sometimes to do a rolling stop, and I was like,
Speaker 1: am i am I taking crazy pills? Like if a
Speaker 1: cop sees you roll through a stop sign, they can
Speaker 1: pull you over. It doesn't matter if Elon Musk thinks
Speaker 1: it's safe or not. Like we were, the argument became
Speaker 1: so strange or I was like, well, stopping is going
Speaker 1: zero miles per hour. If something is going more than that,
Speaker 1: you have not stopped. Am I right? Right? Most like
Speaker 1: when I'm coming to a stop sign and the car
Speaker 1: that I'm exchanging a stop with, like we're deciding who's
Speaker 1: going to go first, Like the thing that tells you okay,
Speaker 1: that is a full stop, they just hit the stop
Speaker 1: is when it like stops and like you see it,
Speaker 1: like you know, you can't rolling stop there like that.
Speaker 1: That's very dangerous, Like you have to that. I feel
Speaker 1: like you have to navigate that like your yourself. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I stop, you know, why take a
Speaker 1: full stop? Because that's a favorite bullshit reason to get
Speaker 1: pulled over over. I've been pulled over so many times
Speaker 1: for like the most like minute, like you know, just
Speaker 1: like a fraction of a full stop when everybody's blowing.
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't stop fully if that stop signs.
Speaker 1: Let's be real, like especially in l A, like people
Speaker 1: just it's like slowing down until you figure out who
Speaker 1: you don't have to hit and keep going. That's why
Speaker 1: I really am like, no, let's make sure they can
Speaker 1: see that ship like pop, Like I stopped right and
Speaker 1: then Yeah. My brother is a lawyer, and he once
Speaker 1: told me that if you're ever driving in a situation
Speaker 1: where you might not want to have an interaction with
Speaker 1: the police, we will say, uh, you stop at a
Speaker 1: stab sign. Make sure that you can feel the car
Speaker 1: go backward a little bit, right, And that's exactly yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, right or whatever. You're like no, because you
Speaker 1: know if you just slow and you're like, it's good enough,
Speaker 1: and we're going no, no, no, no, And didn't you
Speaker 1: mostly try and take somebody down who was like revealing
Speaker 1: the environmental impact of Tesla one of his own employees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of his employees. You like, wage such a champion
Speaker 1: of free speech each Yeah, number one advocate, And I'm
Speaker 1: glad he's going to Actually, you actually can't expect our
Speaker 1: free speech if you're in the capacity of an employee
Speaker 1: and you signed a contract and then you're doing dispiriting things.
Speaker 1: Comp Okay, I'm sorry. So you can apply this energy
Speaker 1: right when you get booted off of a fucking non
Speaker 1: public utility, the website like Twitter. You get you get
Speaker 1: that part right? So what well? Anyway? Uh? What is?
Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated? Bridget Oh? Something I
Speaker 1: personally experienced as underrated this week was going to a
Speaker 1: movie matinee show on a weekday by yourself. If you've ever,
Speaker 1: if you're just like I'm done with this day, I
Speaker 1: need a fucking break, go to a movie. I went
Speaker 1: to a movie by myself randomly at three pm on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Highly recommend. Nobody else was in there. I had the
Speaker 1: whole twee to myself. Highly recommend what you see right?
Speaker 1: Oh that was. It was a tough decision. I saw
Speaker 1: everything everywhere, all that want it was. Have y'all seen it? Yeeah? Yes,
Speaker 1: it was something else. I definitely recommend it. If you
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, definitely see it. Yeah yeah, oh no, yeah.
Speaker 1: I Man, it's funny that you were mentioning that too,
Speaker 1: because before I was waiting for my wife, her majesty
Speaker 1: to get back in town to watch it together, and
Speaker 1: part of me was like, man, I just need to
Speaker 1: do to do me and just go like Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: like at eleven am, like the early style matinee, but
Speaker 1: I went to a theater. But oh man, that would
Speaker 1: have been wild to see that by myself. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend. Yeah, the audience, like is for it
Speaker 1: was a big part of the experience because people really
Speaker 1: fucking love that movie, and I don't know, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I haven't been to a movie that resonated that much
Speaker 1: with an audience. So I'm going to see it again
Speaker 1: on Friday night to see if the experience is different
Speaker 1: in a full year. Yeah. Uh damn, it's like time
Speaker 1: twice in one week. There are also moments too, were
Speaker 1: like watching it when you'll I was laughing at certain
Speaker 1: things where I was the only person in the theater
Speaker 1: who thought something was funny, and I'd be like and
Speaker 1: like everyone's quiet, and I'm like what sorry. Then I
Speaker 1: just then I looked over and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I was not the only person that it was funny.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the beauty of the film, like
Speaker 1: it resonates in so many different ways for different people
Speaker 1: at different times. Yeah. So I think that's t d
Speaker 1: zs uh front runner for the best movie of the
Speaker 1: year already, Like we we fun with that when you
Speaker 1: were gone Jack Kis when he was guest hosting, he
Speaker 1: told me it was the best film he'd seen in
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Yeah. I saw him write that on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, and he the way his
Speaker 1: face changed when I asked him, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: did you He goes, yes, it was the best film
Speaker 1: I've seen in fifteen years. I was like, oh this, okay,
Speaker 1: we got something here. M hm um. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I didn't bother to ask what came out fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: but I just like that window of time. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back. Um and yeah, I feel like the
Speaker 1: stuff that we we're dealing with. When Trump was in
Speaker 1: office and during the rise of Trump, where everything was Trump,
Speaker 1: he just took up all the oxygen. Like I'm starting
Speaker 1: to see that ship. I'm starting to feel that ship
Speaker 1: with Elon Musk, Like uh, like just the trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with like his purchase of Twitter is Like
Speaker 1: yesterday when I went to bed, everyone was like, no,
Speaker 1: he's not actually gonna be able to do it because
Speaker 1: of Tesla, And then like the day before that, it
Speaker 1: was like he's definitely gonna do it, and now like
Speaker 1: I wake up to people in my fucking timeline being like,
Speaker 1: you gotta admit this joke by Elon Musk about buying
Speaker 1: Twitter is pretty funny and it just fucking sucks. It's
Speaker 1: it's awful. I mean, god no, just like it's like
Speaker 1: I r L physical space ship posting, like I might
Speaker 1: buy Twitter, and then like all of the cause all
Speaker 1: of this fucking commotion and people like shi joke, dude,
Speaker 1: sick joke. It looks already looked pretty pretty terrible, like
Speaker 1: even in the last couple of days with him like
Speaker 1: basically putting the focus on some female executives at the
Speaker 1: company to try and out them or make it the
Speaker 1: situation untenable, and a lot of people like, is he
Speaker 1: trying to wiggle out of this buyout clause because he'd
Speaker 1: have to pay people um and if they quit before
Speaker 1: they're under different circumstances that might change the financial aspects
Speaker 1: of it. But either way, like it, it's nothing about
Speaker 1: it looks uh honorable. Yeah, And Miles, I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that you brought that up. The employee, one of the
Speaker 1: employees that he's been I has on a harassment campaign
Speaker 1: against this week is a prominent woman of color at
Speaker 1: at Twitter, and her role is really working to make
Speaker 1: Twitter less hospitable to things like online harassment, disinformation, conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: and extremists and you know, hate speech. And so I
Speaker 1: think that in attacking her specifically, he's doing two really
Speaker 1: clear and important things. One, he's attacking a woman of
Speaker 1: color because he knows that women of color online are
Speaker 1: disproportionately targets for things like harassment, and so I think
Speaker 1: that he is signaling to his followers like, harass this person.
Speaker 1: And too, I think he's trying to make clear this
Speaker 1: is what you can expect from how I will run Twitter.
Speaker 1: I will, you know, I will. He's already showing us
Speaker 1: who he is. He is someone who is okay harassing
Speaker 1: women of color for just trying to do their jobs.
Speaker 1: And so, um, I think those are two really important
Speaker 1: things that we need to be super clear on. I also,
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. I think that it
Speaker 1: seems before that the ink is even dry on this deal.
Speaker 1: He is behaving in these ways that all that that
Speaker 1: would make a person observing question like are you trying
Speaker 1: to tank this deal? What is going on? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean so like there's this Reuters kind of opinion piece
Speaker 1: that's basically saying like he's not gonna do it. He
Speaker 1: always does ship like this where he you know, claims
Speaker 1: he's going to I think he said that he was
Speaker 1: going to uh set up a peanut ruttle brittle company
Speaker 1: to take on Warren Buffett's iconic uh Sees candies. That
Speaker 1: he changed his mind. Um, and like this kind of
Speaker 1: a pinion piece on Routers is like, so this is
Speaker 1: just more of the same ship. He also said he
Speaker 1: was like cure world hunger. Um, I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 1: hasn't done that. Uh. And but I I really think
Speaker 1: like we need to recognize that there's a commonality between
Speaker 1: him and Trump, not just in the way that they're dominating,
Speaker 1: but also in the way that like this is the
Speaker 1: number one currency for them is attention. And like the
Speaker 1: this has given him more attention than he's ever had,
Speaker 1: I guess, which is shocking because he's already had like
Speaker 1: way too much. Um. And like he's not he's not
Speaker 1: gonna let this go just because like you know, people
Speaker 1: tell him it's a bad financial move. Like this is
Speaker 1: has just made him like even more central to the
Speaker 1: conversations people are having and he does not give a
Speaker 1: funk if like those conversations are critical. It feels like, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, well yeah, And then I think he's in
Speaker 1: some way he's found a way to or not someone
Speaker 1: He's found a way to like stifle the conversation, just
Speaker 1: like he can have his hand, you know, his finger
Speaker 1: on the on the button. And I'm sure that there's
Speaker 1: another element of that must feel good to him for
Speaker 1: someone who like probably he's not she's not stupid. He
Speaker 1: knows there are people who talk about him, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there's something about that in the back of
Speaker 1: his mind too. It's like, oh, wouldn't that be good?
Speaker 1: Because then I can show them what's up too if
Speaker 1: I run Twitter. There's just a lot of you can
Speaker 1: tell that there isn't There's really nothing admirable about him
Speaker 1: wanting to buy And we were talking about this in
Speaker 1: yesterday's episode. It's like it's not even clear what he's
Speaker 1: trying to do, even if we're a business, like how
Speaker 1: he's even trying to run it, and even if it
Speaker 1: were a business, So it has a lot of the
Speaker 1: trappings of like impulsive, uh, you know, self centered person
Speaker 1: thinking that this is a good idea without fully thinking
Speaker 1: it through. But also it does appeal to him because
Speaker 1: he he I think he really feels super powerful to
Speaker 1: even have this thing happening around where people like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Ellen Musk is gonna buy Twitter, and that
Speaker 1: for sure is also very energizing for him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I do think that an underrated like detail is that
Speaker 1: he seems to be like openly a racist and white supremacist,
Speaker 1: like not like his company had to pay a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six million dollars to a black man who
Speaker 1: was racially harassed at his uh like while working at
Speaker 1: Tesla um. But also this detail Bridget that you pointed
Speaker 1: out and your most recent episode of there are No
Speaker 1: Girls on the Internet that black workers report being like
Speaker 1: multiple workers for Tesla report being moved to the back
Speaker 1: of the floor when he would visit, like to keep
Speaker 1: them out of his sight like that, like we know
Speaker 1: what the funk is going on here, like this is
Speaker 1: not He's not quiet about it. Clearly people if that's
Speaker 1: like a policy that happens. Yeah, And there was something
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking about that that detail, because I think that
Speaker 1: you're right, like I have no you know, I've never
Speaker 1: met the Mark Zuckerberg's or the bezos Is of the world,
Speaker 1: but there's something so and I'm sure they're awful. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of complaints about the way they run
Speaker 1: their platforms. However, there is something so visceral about that
Speaker 1: detail and so personal where it's like, oh, when he
Speaker 1: visits the visits the factory, y'all have to go. You
Speaker 1: need to physically hide because he can't even stand and
Speaker 1: to look at your black faces. There's something so And
Speaker 1: then hearing this not just from one worker, but multiple workers.
Speaker 1: And I also wanted to um mentioned the lawsuit that
Speaker 1: you mentioned. In that lawsuit where that former black staff
Speaker 1: or of Tesla was awarded millions of dollars. Tesla tried
Speaker 1: to have the courts lower the amount of money they
Speaker 1: had to pay him too, I think like seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and the courts basically were like, no, you
Speaker 1: need to pay him millions of dollars for what you've done.
Speaker 1: This person talks about how he suffered post traumatic stress
Speaker 1: disorder from the disgusting racist treatment that he suffered while
Speaker 1: working at Tesla. So yeah, I just think that you
Speaker 1: know when someone shows you who they are, it's important
Speaker 1: to believe them. And I feel like Elon Musk goes
Speaker 1: out of his way to make it very clear who
Speaker 1: he is, and so people who ignore this are really
Speaker 1: making a choice to ignore what I feel as so
Speaker 1: plain in front of all of us, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Right, yeah, and like to that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were out Jack when we were talking
Speaker 1: about that lawsuit, but you know, just the way that
Speaker 1: there are many lawsuits. There are more than one. They're
Speaker 1: more than a few black employees of Tesla, and like
Speaker 1: it's awful, like even like to the thing of like
Speaker 1: working out of sight, like they were referring to parts
Speaker 1: of the plant as like the slave ship or the
Speaker 1: dark side too for like that that's the culture that
Speaker 1: they're like, that's just how they're allowed to cook over there.
Speaker 1: And they even remember once that was that lawsuit you know,
Speaker 1: was was being decided, they put out a blog post
Speaker 1: over there like we've had over like we've you know,
Speaker 1: the Department of Fair of of a Fair Employment has
Speaker 1: investigated like fifth US fifty times and it's never found anything, Wow,
Speaker 1: fifty times, huh only on the only to come by
Speaker 1: her fifty times. And also in America where yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just guessing they're not gonna go out of their way
Speaker 1: to slap the hand of the billionaire. Oh and and
Speaker 1: and and like the agency who was also like that's
Speaker 1: not precisely true, but okay, like that's why we're here
Speaker 1: because they we found things right. Yeah. And then also,
Speaker 1: you know, not only have people taken them to court
Speaker 1: for racist treatment, also sexist harassment at their workplace. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the way that Elon
Speaker 1: Musk tweets, which is often very kind of juvenile sexism,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of stuff that maybe you might
Speaker 1: have thought was funny when you were in ninth grade
Speaker 1: trying to be edgy. Um. I have no trouble believing
Speaker 1: that this is a top down culture problem, that it's
Speaker 1: you know, not only is it a pervasive racist, sexist culture,
Speaker 1: but that that vibe almost from the top. And that
Speaker 1: means Elon Musk. I think that seems very clear to me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's it's I mean that that's
Speaker 1: always the that's what's bringing all the creeps to the yard.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean is Elon and they see
Speaker 1: what he does, are like, oh, I want to move
Speaker 1: like that and I can and you can already tell
Speaker 1: based on what he thinks is appropriate or inappropriate, like perfect,
Speaker 1: this person is going to tell me I'm being sexist
Speaker 1: or racist. They know I'm joking, so this is perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I can totally see how. You know, there's probably
Speaker 1: a real interesting mixture of people who are really um
Speaker 1: intrigued by the prospect of working on like really cool
Speaker 1: technology and and like you know, furthering their own careers
Speaker 1: and science and things like that. And then you mix
Speaker 1: that with other people who are like completely like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I like the fucking vibes here and they're
Speaker 1: kind of weird. Yeah. I think there's like some like
Speaker 1: the the tweet that that's somebody in my time. I
Speaker 1: was like, god, admit it was funny. Was just him
Speaker 1: being like, now next time, I'm gonna buy Coca Cola
Speaker 1: and put the cocaine back. And I do not have
Speaker 1: to admit that's funny. That's just a pop culture reference. Um,
Speaker 1: But I do think it gets at like this appeal
Speaker 1: that he has two people that it's it's like that
Speaker 1: I'm Sandler movie Big Daddy, where like an idiot one
Speaker 1: a bunch of money and like does Mr Deeds, Mr Deeds,
Speaker 1: and and well I've never seen Mr Deeds big Daddy.
Speaker 1: He adopts that, he adopts a kid, and he becomes
Speaker 1: Dylan Sprouse. Dylan Sprouse. He also won a bunch of
Speaker 1: money from a like getting hit by a cab I
Speaker 1: think work. Yeah, okay, so but he stills but he's
Speaker 1: like that. I think that's like part of the thing
Speaker 1: is like this guy is an idiot, but he has
Speaker 1: like all this money. Uh, he's winning. We can't say
Speaker 1: shipped to him now. Um, And it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's truly a bummer. Um, it's shitty. Billy Madison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Billy Madison bought Twitter. Um. And there's like the stuff
Speaker 1: that we're hoping will happen is not. Well the governmental
Speaker 1: step in him, like make this a utility where you know,
Speaker 1: recognize that this person is like a danger to um freedom,
Speaker 1: and instead it's like we hope he decides not to
Speaker 1: do it because it's a bad investment, Like that's where
Speaker 1: we are, and it just feel it very I don't know.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of this other like Russia story from
Speaker 1: last week where Russia's Federal Security Service arrested a group
Speaker 1: of six Russian neo Nazis who are plotting to assassinate
Speaker 1: a Russian state TV talk show host. Um, but like
Speaker 1: the neo Nazis in question, we're just like journalist critical
Speaker 1: of the state TV. Uh. The person they were supposedly
Speaker 1: trying to assassinate had once praised Hitler as a very
Speaker 1: brave man uh and even produced an admiring documentary about Mussolini. Um.
Speaker 1: So like it's it's a Nazi who they were supposedly
Speaker 1: trying to assassinate, and like clearly the thing that they're
Speaker 1: piste off about is that they're critical of state run TV.
Speaker 1: But it reminded me of that just because it's like
Speaker 1: this ship is now just being done out in the open.
Speaker 1: It's just like the racist guy is going to take
Speaker 1: over Twitter and like start and like let the Nazis
Speaker 1: back on, and like there's not it's not a thing
Speaker 1: where like there's an appeal to authority. It's just a
Speaker 1: we're like hoping that it doesn't happen by some like
Speaker 1: stroke able luck at this point, Yeah, where you're counting
Speaker 1: on we hope a billionaire knows better. Oh I don't.
Speaker 1: We'll see about that. I think The only thing that
Speaker 1: could potentially act as a safeguard is that the EU
Speaker 1: has been pretty forcefully said like if there's not real
Speaker 1: moderation here, like we won't we're not gonna sunk within
Speaker 1: the EU, like we'll ban it, right, So that's one potential.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are these like little things where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't just go foot off the fucking break and
Speaker 1: see what happens. I mean you can, but it's sure
Speaker 1: it's certainly not going to help like Twitter as a company.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think there's so many dimensions to
Speaker 1: It's like do you really not give a funk? You
Speaker 1: ready to billion dollars like to just like to fully
Speaker 1: go into your absolutists like version of free speech and
Speaker 1: see where that experiment goes. Are is this is it
Speaker 1: going to be more long term? You're gonna try and
Speaker 1: pick people off slowly and turn up the heat on
Speaker 1: Twitter and sanitize it of all like the leftists or
Speaker 1: people who are like advocating for equality, and like that's
Speaker 1: the plan. I think that's it. I mean, I something
Speaker 1: that I've really thought a lot about this week is
Speaker 1: why Twitter? Why Twitter? Even before Elon Musk, Why was
Speaker 1: Twitter this hotbed of sort of quote unquote culture wars
Speaker 1: and all of that. And I think it's not a
Speaker 1: coincidence that all of this has really imploded around Twitter.
Speaker 1: I think that extremists, people on people on the far right,
Speaker 1: they have watched people who traditionally are marginalized and don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of institutional power or support use platforms
Speaker 1: like Twitter to build movements and to democratize our ability
Speaker 1: to have a platform in a voice. We've built things
Speaker 1: like me to uh, black Lives Matter using these platforms, right,
Speaker 1: We've been able to really like use them to to build,
Speaker 1: to get some more power and to sort of be
Speaker 1: part of the conversation in ways that we've always been
Speaker 1: traditionally locked out of. And I think that they see
Speaker 1: this medium as something they need to take back. I
Speaker 1: think that they I think that they find that very
Speaker 1: threatening to watch people who traditionally did not have a
Speaker 1: lot of power or or a lot of voice use
Speaker 1: these platforms to take back that power in that voice.
Speaker 1: And I think that this is part and parcel of
Speaker 1: a plan to make that harder, to make it to
Speaker 1: tempt to go back to a time where we didn't
Speaker 1: really have those kinds of voices are those kind of
Speaker 1: platforms even if we built them ourselves. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very good point and probably absolutely true.
Speaker 1: If not, like, if it's not on a fucking flow
Speaker 1: chart an elon Musk's office, it's definitely like somewhere in
Speaker 1: his brain, you know, like that that's something that scares
Speaker 1: him and makes him uncomfortable. Well yeah, and because I
Speaker 1: think the source of a lot of headaches for him,
Speaker 1: can you can draw a line to Twitter or like
Speaker 1: these or or pings are discussed very energetically on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Uh And I think again, like you're saying, bridget that
Speaker 1: is it's freaky if you're like a you know, point
Speaker 1: one percent or and you look out your window and
Speaker 1: Twitter's outside, and you're like, damn, like they're able to
Speaker 1: get together real fucking quick lunch over there. Like that's
Speaker 1: not good for you know, my gash toly aims. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's where we see It's like what version
Speaker 1: is it? Is it? This? Is it completely uh like aggressive?
Speaker 1: And you know from day one the floodgates open? Is
Speaker 1: it this version where it stealthily trying to make it
Speaker 1: look like no, no no, Twitter is not changing, and it
Speaker 1: is and it's much more you know, uh insidious and
Speaker 1: you know, with a smile on its face. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the other part of it. There's just so many
Speaker 1: of these other dimensions, like how that you would respond
Speaker 1: like how China, like he has so much, so much
Speaker 1: business in China and they don't like Twitter. What happens
Speaker 1: then when they see how like other people use it.
Speaker 1: There are so many other dimensions to it. I'm just
Speaker 1: so curious to know, like to begin to really see
Speaker 1: it come together. But all of these things are possible,
Speaker 1: and they're all real risks. I've heard the metaphor before
Speaker 1: that like you don't notice the things are getting worse
Speaker 1: because it's like a pot and a frog and a
Speaker 1: pot of water that's like slowly getting hotter, and like
Speaker 1: these are the moments where it like really hits me, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is this is getting much hotter. It's
Speaker 1: like uncomfortably, unhealthily hot right now. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: I mean, then it's really incumbent on people who are
Speaker 1: using Twitter for good things or like not ship posting
Speaker 1: and being racist to you know, maybe use the little
Speaker 1: time we have left on Twitter to organize a way
Speaker 1: to figure out like how to keep something like this alive. Um,
Speaker 1: because it is powerful. I mean, like most people really
Speaker 1: do use it for news, you know, not everyone is
Speaker 1: using Twitter to communicate. Like a lot of people really
Speaker 1: like Twitter because they're like I can't man, I can
Speaker 1: just look up a city and just see what's going
Speaker 1: off because people are talking about it. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know what early it's early days, but it's there.
Speaker 1: The sky looks dark. I feel better about the EU band.
Speaker 1: But you know they tried that with Mountain Dew and
Speaker 1: it only made Mountain Do stronger. You know, God couldn't
Speaker 1: stop me. If you strike me down, will become even
Speaker 1: more powerful. Um. All right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and talk about that Russia
Speaker 1: story and we're back. Um. Yeah, So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was, I was just tying a line between the
Speaker 1: Elam Musk and this Russia frame up because I do
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of this sensibility um of Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have to like try to be convincing in
Speaker 1: our lie. We just like say the lie and then
Speaker 1: stick with it and it doesn't matter. Like kind of
Speaker 1: started in in Russia and like, first, you know, trum
Speaker 1: Trump obviously was like the number one proprietor in America
Speaker 1: of it. But um, this one, I mean people have
Speaker 1: been people been doing this one for for a while.
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, the weapons of mass destruction man,
Speaker 1: We're good, yeah, yellow cake man. But eventually they were like,
Speaker 1: we didn't find any. Yeah. Um fuck Yeah. So Russia's
Speaker 1: Federal Security Service FSB arrested a group of six Russian
Speaker 1: what they're claiming are neo Nazis who are plotting to
Speaker 1: assassinate a Russian state TV talk show host. Um and Yeah,
Speaker 1: things just like seemed really fishy right off the bat,
Speaker 1: starting with the fact that the supposed target of the
Speaker 1: of their plot was this um state Russian state TV,
Speaker 1: like you know host presenter person who has said has
Speaker 1: praised Hitler as a very brave man and even produced
Speaker 1: an admiring documentary about Mussolini. So yeah, because you know
Speaker 1: that's we we always just like stick photos to our
Speaker 1: computer speakers. Um. They also had three copies of the
Speaker 1: Game of the sims um and and people were like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is that doing there? That's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's like three three like discs of the Sims portrait
Speaker 1: of a portrait of Hitler to go to mind comp
Speaker 1: and three copies of the SIMS expansion packs. So men,
Speaker 1: the working theory is that someone, uh, you know, did
Speaker 1: fabricate this evidence. And we're told they were told to
Speaker 1: get three Sims, as in three Sims cards and SIM cards,
Speaker 1: and they fucking missed the subtle and went. When the
Speaker 1: Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation later posted a video
Speaker 1: of the raid, they had blurred out the Sims um
Speaker 1: the yeah, because it's it's like so it really does
Speaker 1: like it's like the commander wasn't there, right, He's texting everybody, look,
Speaker 1: get get a Swaska T shirt, get some like SS patches,
Speaker 1: put up a picture Hitler. The three Sims do all that,
Speaker 1: you know, make it look real shapey, right, and then
Speaker 1: he just goes and like takes a picture. And the
Speaker 1: guy's like, mother, He's like, what the fund is that?
Speaker 1: What are those three games on the bed? And he's
Speaker 1: like three Sims, Like because it really doesn't mean like
Speaker 1: it's put out there as if it's like you have
Speaker 1: to take a picture of this. This is relevant to
Speaker 1: the case, you know what I mean. It's like he took.
Speaker 1: It's like he said, and they had five soup ladles,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's not relevant. It's
Speaker 1: in the house, But why put that ship there. It's
Speaker 1: clear that the person's directive was take all the pictures,
Speaker 1: including the three sims to uh just for for who?
Speaker 1: For what? Again? I think this is all, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: the low energy effort to just say, you see, there's
Speaker 1: neo Nazis in Ukraine and they're coming after people in Russia,
Speaker 1: and that's what all of this is about. That's why
Speaker 1: we're there. Because we put out a swastika T shirt
Speaker 1: really loosely taped photo of Hitler to a Bluetooth speaker
Speaker 1: and three copies of the sims um and then the
Speaker 1: target quote of the of the attack, who's just like
Speaker 1: their wolf blitz er like some you know TV person,
Speaker 1: except if people still like watched CNN. But he went
Speaker 1: on TV and claimed the plot was all hatched by
Speaker 1: Zelinsky um because Zelinsky wanted to be a presenter on
Speaker 1: the state run channel but wasn't talented enough. We're doing
Speaker 1: the old Donald Trump thing. Haters. You just ne they
Speaker 1: were begging me for a job, and then I said no,
Speaker 1: so that's where they lie. Now, Okay, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: so that's that's pretty pretty questionable child logic at work there.
Speaker 1: It would seem, um so like he was doing it
Speaker 1: because he hates me, and uh he's like what he
Speaker 1: he actually is on the record saying he wished he
Speaker 1: was as handsome as me. So, um yeah, I have
Speaker 1: some I have some texts where he's like asking me
Speaker 1: for pointers, like on how to look like me. But
Speaker 1: I like, I was like, I was like, seriously, dude,
Speaker 1: we're like in a war, Like I can't do this
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but yeah, tough times, tough times, Um
Speaker 1: all right. I I just wanted to continue complaining about
Speaker 1: MPR um for for because we didn't get all the
Speaker 1: way through the story. Uh. Super producer Tricia did a
Speaker 1: bunch of really good research along with super producer Becca
Speaker 1: on just like, um you know where where this so bridge?
Speaker 1: Like Basically, my point is like I listened to NPR
Speaker 1: for the first time in a year and just found
Speaker 1: the tone, which is I don't think it's changed, but
Speaker 1: it just feels insane to me, Like it feels very
Speaker 1: like gentle but like they're talking about like gentle mixed
Speaker 1: with like board and whatever. And so then like the
Speaker 1: Russians came in and you know, they're reporting on war crimes,
Speaker 1: but they're doing it in like a way that's like
Speaker 1: just feels so strange and basically feels like if we
Speaker 1: if we were all hearing it again for the first time,
Speaker 1: we would all be like, what the funk is happening
Speaker 1: right now? Um. So we talked about that and like
Speaker 1: some psychoanalysis on like neoliberals, like why this might be
Speaker 1: might be happening, might be necessary for them right now? Um.
Speaker 1: You know, super producer Tricia like did a deep dive
Speaker 1: into like to the history of just basically what I've
Speaker 1: heard described as like TV English, UM. But it's like
Speaker 1: sort of the um accent lists is how it's often
Speaker 1: described English that people speak with on UM TV. But
Speaker 1: then you know, say, calling something accentless just uh, you know,
Speaker 1: positioned yourself as thinking that a certain access, a certain
Speaker 1: way of speaking American English doesn't have an accent. Basically, Um,
Speaker 1: the presumed audience is an English monolingual speaker, UM. And
Speaker 1: when the voice and language of the speaker this is
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read directly from what Triture wrote when
Speaker 1: the voice and language of the speaker is intended to
Speaker 1: not make the listener uncomfortable. The placidity of the MPR
Speaker 1: voice also feeds into this. Like the rest of the media,
Speaker 1: they want listeners to feel a certain amount of fear,
Speaker 1: which will push them to keep listening and not uh
Speaker 1: and not be too uncomfortable or in it. That will
Speaker 1: make them feel like they're also experiencing the crisis. Um,
Speaker 1: so they you know, they choose to speak like a
Speaker 1: group of people who aren't affected by the crises. Uh,
Speaker 1: they are, but they still like want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And the accent emulates people who like don't suffer the
Speaker 1: human rights crises that and wars and disasters that NPR
Speaker 1: reports on, and like. She found examples of people who
Speaker 1: were prohibited from or just like their story wasn't accepted
Speaker 1: to on NPR because they were told that they speak
Speaker 1: too much with too much of an accent. Um. Hear
Speaker 1: that a lot, a lot of people hear that a lot,
Speaker 1: like some lovel you know, it's like, yeah, what what
Speaker 1: is that voice exactly? I don't know if it's I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point, it feels like this thing where it
Speaker 1: naturally evolved, right where I get that there's just you know,
Speaker 1: like in the radio announcer days, people all spoke like
Speaker 1: this and the funk is that, And then we slowly
Speaker 1: got into something a little less like you know, good evening,
Speaker 1: rather here is the weather for today. I sound like
Speaker 1: David Lynch doing the weather. Um. But you know, even now,
Speaker 1: it's like then we had this like I think really
Speaker 1: coming in and like the out of the eighties into
Speaker 1: the nineties, like the real MPR voice that I feel
Speaker 1: like like as a kid, I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's the nice talk radio or whatever. It's less animated,
Speaker 1: and it's it's weird, Like I'm not sure if they
Speaker 1: even know they're doing it, you know, and I know
Speaker 1: that they do on some level because it's part of
Speaker 1: the aesthetic. But if it's like about to say, like
Speaker 1: so to the points like we have to speak like
Speaker 1: this in order to get people to fucking tune in,
Speaker 1: I think it it's sort of it's just a function
Speaker 1: of you know, that way of looking at things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's interesting, not not necessarily as
Speaker 1: like a critique of NPR, like going in and we're
Speaker 1: going to catch them being like you have to talk
Speaker 1: to them like children, because like you know, and even
Speaker 1: if they are saying that like that's, um, I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting about what it reveals about the listeners of
Speaker 1: NPR more than anything. Yeah, I think that the listeners
Speaker 1: of NPR. I mean, if you're if you're on the
Speaker 1: left and you're where you're getting your audio news and
Speaker 1: commentaries NPR, I do feel like that probably suggests that
Speaker 1: you're a certain kind of person because there's so many
Speaker 1: different places to get you know, news and commentary in
Speaker 1: the audio format. If you're if you're if you're sticking
Speaker 1: with NPR, I feel like perhaps you know, you're looking
Speaker 1: for a certain kind of tone. I guess, um, it's
Speaker 1: so funny that we're talking about this. When I first
Speaker 1: started working as a podcaster and an end an audio,
Speaker 1: I thought that I had to do that voice to
Speaker 1: be taken seriously. When I go back and listen to
Speaker 1: the early days of me on podcasts, I can tell
Speaker 1: that I'm sort of I'm doing my NPR voice. You know,
Speaker 1: it's very mono tone. You would think that I am
Speaker 1: talking about things happening in a country where I have
Speaker 1: never even visited, as opposed to my own country. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about things that I have no real opinion on.
Speaker 1: Here's just some very gently delivered information about what could
Speaker 1: be happening somewhere hypothetically, you know. And so I think
Speaker 1: that there was a time where NPR and I yeah,
Speaker 1: no shade to NPR, but there was a time where
Speaker 1: I think that they really were influential and how other
Speaker 1: people did radio and did audio and did podcasting. I
Speaker 1: will say, yeah, for sure, I think that's something. You know,
Speaker 1: when producer Anna and I were like first starting the
Speaker 1: l A How Stuff Works offices, like we talked about
Speaker 1: like we wanted to steer away from the NPR aesthetic
Speaker 1: because it was so pervasive, Like it was just like
Speaker 1: so that's what people thought podcasts sounded like for for
Speaker 1: a long time. Um, but that's so interesting describing it
Speaker 1: as like even though you were describing America, you felt
Speaker 1: pressure to like describe it like it was a country
Speaker 1: where you've never been. Because that really like that was
Speaker 1: kind of what we had landed on yesterday. Is that
Speaker 1: like by doing this and like adding this tone of
Speaker 1: um of like removed like I keep saying, it's like
Speaker 1: feels like they're on xan X because they like feel
Speaker 1: like they're like removed from the anxiety, Uh that you know,
Speaker 1: the rest of the that they're talking about, like an anxious,
Speaker 1: an anxiety provoking situation. Uh. They're describing it like with
Speaker 1: the humanity and the emotion removed from it, and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it just feels like that has to be at some
Speaker 1: level a conscious decision um that they're like, uh, perpetuating
Speaker 1: because they just have seen at work and I think
Speaker 1: they see it works so well because they're the NPR
Speaker 1: listener wants wants to have be told about the story,
Speaker 1: like be told about the problem, but then like not
Speaker 1: feel bad about it. You can't confront you can't confront
Speaker 1: the actual uncomfortable nous of the story. That's all it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's too it's to tell you enough about the
Speaker 1: story without informing you enough that you can actually begin
Speaker 1: to empathize. Really, I think that's what it is. It
Speaker 1: it really dules your ability to connect with the people
Speaker 1: that are even being talked about in the story. Like
Speaker 1: even that one where the woman was talking about she
Speaker 1: was fleeing like artillery, like shelling from Russians and she
Speaker 1: fled to her basement and was like, well, thank god,
Speaker 1: she had a little bit of food. But it's just
Speaker 1: done as like like we were saying, and you know
Speaker 1: we're hearing her. You can hear in her voice she's
Speaker 1: like she you can tell I don't speak Ukrainian, but
Speaker 1: you can tell this person isn't speaking calmly about the
Speaker 1: situation they were in. But the the translator's voices and
Speaker 1: it's not that it has to be an acted out version,
Speaker 1: but it comes in more like, thank god I had
Speaker 1: potatoes and some extra oil in the house, and also
Speaker 1: I had a count so I was able to get milk.
Speaker 1: And you're like, that was electrifying compared to the to
Speaker 1: the translator, but like and even like you know, you
Speaker 1: go on NPRS page right now, there's there's stuff where
Speaker 1: there's a headline says, why this economy maybe sturdier than
Speaker 1: it looks. When I say, okay, maybe this has something
Speaker 1: to do with the lived experience of people who are
Speaker 1: working in the like as part of the economy, and
Speaker 1: maybe there's some good news. All it's about his g
Speaker 1: d P and ship. The word wage only shows up
Speaker 1: once and it's not even and it's like it's it's
Speaker 1: a quote about someone talking about like she also increased
Speaker 1: or prices to offset rising costs of cotton, polyester, and spandex,
Speaker 1: as well as higher wages for her employees. So now
Speaker 1: the empathy isn't about there's no there's no need to
Speaker 1: feel bad about anyone in this story or even to
Speaker 1: tell people like in this version word wages as mentioned
Speaker 1: in the context of like, man, people poor people ask
Speaker 1: for too much money. Huh yeah. Not. Despite this, the
Speaker 1: lived experience of your neighbors might be completely different to
Speaker 1: some of these headlines about the economy. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where because that's the uncomfortable part if you're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the economy, like is it going to
Speaker 1: be a real thing of like we spoke to working parents,
Speaker 1: single parents, people who live here, people who live there
Speaker 1: about what just what even though we're seeing this economy stuff,
Speaker 1: what's it like for them? And even if when when
Speaker 1: you get pieces like that, are we going to get
Speaker 1: the like is it going to get to the point
Speaker 1: where someone would listen to it and then be outraged? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think I mean I have to mention we
Speaker 1: are seeing this interesting moment where NPR seems to be
Speaker 1: kind of hemorrhaging young talent of color, like young audio talent,
Speaker 1: and I have to wonder if there's something related there
Speaker 1: that you know, people want. I feel like people get
Speaker 1: into audio journalism because there's an intimacy to storytelling. You
Speaker 1: can hear, you know, listening to that Ukrainian woman tell
Speaker 1: her story, even if you don't speak the language, you
Speaker 1: can hear it in her voice. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what that's what draws people to audio storytelling in the
Speaker 1: first place. And I think if you're someplace where the
Speaker 1: entire vibe is not reflecting that humanity, that intimacy, that authenticity,
Speaker 1: and that like truth through audio, it does seem to
Speaker 1: be like a little bit of a disconnect. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like we were you know, I was saying yesterday,
Speaker 1: like you can mint a bitcoin with the amount of
Speaker 1: like mental work and like pretzeling of themselves that is
Speaker 1: required to achieve the cognitive dissonance required to still be
Speaker 1: on board with like the mainstream media and like d
Speaker 1: n C sort of narratives where like check on the
Speaker 1: g d P every month because that's the thing that matters,
Speaker 1: and we just like care about g d P and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I just think that's that's coming
Speaker 1: out in in this weird way. Uh and then I
Speaker 1: also wanted to talk about so j m I, a
Speaker 1: writer from Canada, says the same thing is happening on
Speaker 1: the CBC and has always been happening on the CBC
Speaker 1: um but he has an alternate explanation that they like
Speaker 1: found out about uh HSMR or a SMR and are
Speaker 1: are like because they like keep doing stories about like
Speaker 1: they've done a lot of stories about as MR and
Speaker 1: like it does seem to be His theory is they're
Speaker 1: like ramping it up because they were like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like this this makes people feel good. Oh yeah, morning
Speaker 1: a Morning becomes eclectic on k c RW, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in the middle of yawning the
Speaker 1: whole time I'm listening to it, Like the music is right,
Speaker 1: but like they're like, Milvina, what's going on this weekend?
Speaker 1: They're like, well, actually, I think, Jetty, there's going to
Speaker 1: be a fantastic display of West African art. And You're like, uh,
Speaker 1: huh huh, it's not it's I get it. It's it's soothing.
Speaker 1: But I do find myself, you know, in a trance
Speaker 1: to hearing it, but not even that I'm here, like listening,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is very like the it's that
Speaker 1: that monotone that really, I don't know, it gets you.
Speaker 1: Do you all remember that Saturday Night Live bit um
Speaker 1: the Delicious. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the thing is that
Speaker 1: I don't know if at that time, like they it
Speaker 1: was some of their shows spoke like this, and it
Speaker 1: was the ones about like you know, wine and leaves
Speaker 1: and like foliage and ship, and then they had more
Speaker 1: more appropriate tone like when talking about news and war crimes.
Speaker 1: But now the whole thing is it's like listening to
Speaker 1: those characters do the news about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm um, And it's very weird, it's very strange. Well,
Speaker 1: you know again, I think the effective thing about you know, uh,
Speaker 1: neoliberalism and these news things that are they are helping
Speaker 1: people kind of stay in this place, is that it
Speaker 1: helps people not stay in a place of comfort and
Speaker 1: not really want to do anything radical or or or
Speaker 1: have the mindset that there's a need for radical change,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And I think it's the same thing
Speaker 1: like even with the uprisings, right, we've barely heard people
Speaker 1: from that were in the streets talking on TV. If ever,
Speaker 1: and if it was like find the angriest motherfucker you
Speaker 1: can find and put them on TV, don't don't get
Speaker 1: the people who are really there trying to say something.
Speaker 1: And we would always be like, why are they never
Speaker 1: talking to the people that are in the streets. It's
Speaker 1: always like somebody from like fifty feet away, a hundred
Speaker 1: feet away, like and now that you can see their
Speaker 1: gathering over here now and blah like doing it like
Speaker 1: they're calling a fucking horse race or some ship. But
Speaker 1: we're not. You're not doing us the service of hearing
Speaker 1: the people who decided to enter physical space why they
Speaker 1: are there really, rather than your commentary from a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand feet away and speculating and then basing, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to shape the entire narrative from there rather
Speaker 1: than hearing it from people's mouth. Well, I think that
Speaker 1: goes back to who is listening. As I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I think if you're in, if you're getting your commentary
Speaker 1: and your news and your news from MPR, I think
Speaker 1: that you're not looking for anything radical. I think that
Speaker 1: you're not looking to be moved into action or feeling
Speaker 1: discomfort or feeling bad or feeling complicit you know, heaven forbid,
Speaker 1: I think that if you're not and not again, not
Speaker 1: to disparage NPR listeners. I listen to some of their
Speaker 1: programming my parents. I grew up on public radio, you know,
Speaker 1: not to disparage them, but I think that what you're
Speaker 1: describing is perhaps not someone who is looking for that
Speaker 1: kind of you know, those kinds of feelings from their
Speaker 1: their commentary or their news. They're not looking to feel
Speaker 1: engaged in that way. I don't think. Yeah. So anyways,
Speaker 1: zi gang, if you if you feel the same way,
Speaker 1: if you hear like an NPR clip that has particularly egregious,
Speaker 1: hit me up. I'm I'm going to keep thinking about
Speaker 1: this and I'd love to you know, get get more
Speaker 1: evidence or you know, more more thoughts on it. So
Speaker 1: so it hit me up. You know what, maybe Jack,
Speaker 1: we might have to do an episode in that voice,
Speaker 1: just to see how the audience responds, and we'll say
Speaker 1: hello the Internet, Hello, and welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: Dirt Dailies. Like, yeah, you're actually quite good at that
Speaker 1: for somebody who just likes it so much, Bridget, it's
Speaker 1: been such a pleasure having you on, uh the dailies,
Speaker 1: Like where can people find you, follow you, hear you
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Well, I would be so honored
Speaker 1: and so please the folks checked out my podcast on
Speaker 1: this very net work. There are no girls on the internet.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Elon Musk this week, so please
Speaker 1: check it out. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Bridget Murray and you can find me on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Bridget Murray in d C. Yeah, yea. And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Oh yes, this tweet from Brittany van Horn.
Speaker 1: If we want to if we want to raise the
Speaker 1: money to buy Twitter back and put it in the
Speaker 1: hands of the people, we're gonna have to put on
Speaker 1: the greatest talent show this town's ever so good. Hell yeah, Miles,
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Man?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also the other pod for Fiance, Also the
Speaker 1: basketball podcast Miles and Jack Got Mad boost these check
Speaker 1: that our We look, we're just speaking. We're just loving
Speaker 1: the loving the game of basketball, no hate oration. It's
Speaker 1: been very refreshing to have a place where I can
Speaker 1: go and just be excited about John Morant and uh
Speaker 1: my team the seventies sixers and not have to deal
Speaker 1: with um Bill Simmons talking about like how this guy's
Speaker 1: got no hoops a cute um and I'll that guy
Speaker 1: what uh funk? Jalen Green? Okay, okay, um, it's a
Speaker 1: great show. Go check it out, Go check it out.
Speaker 1: You know, do you get in or get out? But
Speaker 1: you know what, the bus is taken off and we
Speaker 1: love to have you with us. Okay. A tweet that
Speaker 1: I like first one from at not Funny L tweeted,
Speaker 1: my mother staring down at my open casket? Is that
Speaker 1: what you're wearing? And comb at win w y n
Speaker 1: n E tweeted, incense looks like skinny corn dog. Like
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it looks like the stick is like
Speaker 1: batter dipped. Look like that's so that's the same checkolog's
Speaker 1: we take a stip. We gotta dip it, we gotta
Speaker 1: dip it anyway, shout out to you. It does look
Speaker 1: like skinny corn dog. Skinny corn dog. Since it looks
Speaker 1: like skinny corn dog, it's the I think it's a
Speaker 1: bad grammar. That also makes this tweet so memorable for
Speaker 1: me throwing them one more. I think was just a
Speaker 1: good idea. At clumsy Ail, you tweeted, instead of leaving Twitter,
Speaker 1: we should all block Elon Musk. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if that'll help. Yeah, I don't think that would be
Speaker 1: a significant thing. I did lose a bunch of followers
Speaker 1: of the past couple of days who are principled people
Speaker 1: who have decided to leave Twitter. But please come back.
Speaker 1: I miss you. Um, that's true. That's how I got No,
Speaker 1: I got lost all my followers. I think they were
Speaker 1: all bots. Yeah, yeah, you went to my mom. It
Speaker 1: was crazy to see. Yeah, my one follower my mom.
Speaker 1: Shout out to you, Mom. I appreciate you buying those bots.
Speaker 1: You're good mom, getting me get me the ten k Um,
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old Virgin, tweeted, women be dating
Speaker 1: men that are nimble and then act all surprised when
Speaker 1: he jumps over a candlestick? Is that about you, Jack?
Speaker 1: You know? Guiltiest charge um? And then and then uh
Speaker 1: will at Mary Will Uh tweeted it finally happened. My
Speaker 1: photos app generated the saddest video possible. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know how your photo app will like just set
Speaker 1: set something up for you do a little surprise. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it says tasty bites over the years, and it's
Speaker 1: like all these pictures of the most depressing meals that
Speaker 1: I think he had taken pictures of in the first
Speaker 1: place because they were so depressing, looking like it's like
Speaker 1: a kid's meal of like macaroni and cheese and stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's like set to those weird classical piece of music.
Speaker 1: Um so I don't know it's worth watching. It really
Speaker 1: resonated with me because those, um, those like algorithmically generated
Speaker 1: photo SLAD shows always very strange first ballot podcasts at
Speaker 1: the John Morant dunc an Extreme Slow Motion to Stretch
Speaker 1: My Hands part one and it's the perfect treatment of that,
Speaker 1: so highly recommend that. And then Ordinary at Ordinary also
Speaker 1: tweeted brain cactus me okay, brain, touch it me. But
Speaker 1: it's sharp, brain, I know. But how sharp? And that is?
Speaker 1: That is the exact dialect that goes on every time
Speaker 1: I see a cactus. Oh yeah, I cannot stop myself
Speaker 1: always surprised. Um. So you can find me liking tweets
Speaker 1: like that on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can
Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at daily Zeykeeist were at the
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Speaker 1: our episodes on our footnotes where we link off to
Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
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