Speaker 1: Hello the Internet. Yes, it's me. That means it's substitute time.
Speaker 1: And it's season two, twenty eight, episode one of the
Speaker 1: Daily that guy stopped production by Heart Radio. This is
Speaker 1: the podcast where we take a deep dive into America's
Speaker 1: shared consciousness. It is Monday, March fourteen two. We all
Speaker 1: know what that is. That means, it's sucking Pie Day
Speaker 1: three one four. Put it in the air, whether or
Speaker 1: not you're celebrating the mathematical concept of pie or you
Speaker 1: love a wonderful baked dessert as pie. I shout out
Speaker 1: to this guy used to play soccer with On Pie Day.
Speaker 1: He would have a party. He was like an engineer,
Speaker 1: but also make a like a spread of pies. Always
Speaker 1: missed out on it because it didn't feel like the
Speaker 1: event for me, but I respected. I am Miles great.
Speaker 1: Like I said, A k a oh, let's try this,
Speaker 1: A k A. I wish you would eat from the
Speaker 1: right and my friend, you could take the time to
Speaker 1: peel it how the banana gods intend and if you
Speaker 1: want to start at the stem, I won't understand. And
Speaker 1: and that was in reference to the past guests talking
Speaker 1: about eating apples from the bottom, eating bananas from the bottom. Okay,
Speaker 1: like these are apparently these are new techniques of eating
Speaker 1: these fruits. I did not know. Shout out to Scouting
Speaker 1: Coop on the discoord. But let's not distract from me.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about today's guest go host, one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I don't even think I need to introduce this person.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, what do you hear that? Ma? Was
Speaker 1: that a goat? I don't know. Maybe it is. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite co hosts and people in podcasting,
Speaker 1: the just uber talented producer, host, media critic, media everything,
Speaker 1: lives and breeds everything media and helps me look good.
Speaker 1: Without further ado, please welcome my guest host, Joel Won.
Speaker 1: Let's up, Miles. How you doing great? I'm great. Great.
Speaker 1: It's PI Day. You know it is pie Day, a blessing.
Speaker 1: Unto us, it gets your cheap pie because it's out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd imagine, right, like, shouldn't like a Marie
Speaker 1: coundars do something like they all do it. Listen, if
Speaker 1: you're near a milk bar, you can go in you
Speaker 1: get some of the milk far pie for like I
Speaker 1: think they're for three dollars and fourteen cents or something like,
Speaker 1: oh you can that sugar bumb for three dollars and
Speaker 1: fourteen cents, Go live your best life. I had I'm
Speaker 1: not okay, full disclosure. I had one of the milk
Speaker 1: bar pies, which use let's let's not forget the problem.
Speaker 1: Remember we're not gonna talk about it. But I had
Speaker 1: one of those, and after eating a slice of that pie,
Speaker 1: I had a cookie and the cookie tasted like salt
Speaker 1: because my my like sugar receptors are so blown out
Speaker 1: from having one slice of that pie, I could only
Speaker 1: taste the salt in a cookie. Anyway, shout out to that.
Speaker 1: But without further ado, let's welcome today's guest. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not often this podcast is graced with you know,
Speaker 1: Emmy and Peabody Award winning producer, writer's podcast talents, and
Speaker 1: even people with wonderful accents from abroad. I am thrilled
Speaker 1: to welcome today's guest. You might know them. Actually they've
Speaker 1: been on the show before, back then for you know,
Speaker 1: working on a show called Forgotten Women of Wires. And
Speaker 1: also you might remember them from the show Sleepwalkers. Okay,
Speaker 1: also another I heard joint, But without further ado, please
Speaker 1: Welcome to the stage. Mr oz Wolla Sha hiy hi Miles.
Speaker 1: Nice to be here again. Hi Joel's very nice to
Speaker 1: be on the show with you as well. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. I've been dusting off those those Emmys
Speaker 1: and Peabody's in preparations. There you go, just looking at them.
Speaker 1: I think there's a twinkle in your eye, or rather
Speaker 1: or rather entertaining twinkle as you listed off my ten
Speaker 1: year old credits. Better. Those are awards. Don't be modested,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Ten years ago? What was
Speaker 1: I doing? I got to talk about that. I got
Speaker 1: a video on the front page of BuzzFeed because I
Speaker 1: got so fucked up drinking boxed wine. You know that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty good that I was hit. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: find that video on the internet anymore. Oh, look at
Speaker 1: crafty scrub my worst mistakes from the internet. They're out there.
Speaker 1: As I can tell, you're over the awards because you're
Speaker 1: the first person who has those awards that hasn't had
Speaker 1: them framed in the background of your image. Every time
Speaker 1: I have award winning person, they're liking these are my awards,
Speaker 1: just casually placed behind me. Didn't set it out that way.
Speaker 1: That's where they live. Oh, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 1: giving me the favor of telling the listeners I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have those behind me. I do have some
Speaker 1: very strange family photographs as an old tennis balls, because
Speaker 1: even two and a half years into COVID, I haven't
Speaker 1: figured out how to do that elegant zoom behind bluff me,
Speaker 1: and so everyone gets to look deep into my I
Speaker 1: think in a way that's its own thing, right, Like
Speaker 1: you see people with really well you know, designed, intentionally
Speaker 1: placed backdrops furthers because I get it. We live in
Speaker 1: a zoom world and we have ship like room raiders
Speaker 1: where people will be like, look at this person is wrong?
Speaker 1: But what the I mean? If anything, I feel like
Speaker 1: it should represent who you are. And if you look
Speaker 1: at my background background, you know I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: really that instant designing the background. In fact, I'm just
Speaker 1: some guy in a room that's kind of dirty. So
Speaker 1: that's who I am. Any do you have any love
Speaker 1: for pie oz on pie day three? On four? I mean,
Speaker 1: funny enough, I didn't put two and two together. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what you were talking about, but I was
Speaker 1: smiling and nodding as all good oh yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's slowly out. Yeah, because I guess you do it
Speaker 1: different in the UK would be fourteen three yeah exactly, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I but Pie Day. I mean, it's good to
Speaker 1: Pie Day and Friday coincide because I think Piday would
Speaker 1: feel a little bit sad if it wasn't also Friday.
Speaker 1: So oh, technically this is Monday. I don't nothing, the
Speaker 1: secret nothing to brighten up on Monday like day exactly exactly. Well, then,
Speaker 1: I guess like in the UK, because since the day
Speaker 1: comes before the month, today will be one for three,
Speaker 1: I love you day. Yeah, think about that we did?
Speaker 1: Did y'all not do that in the UK? One for three?
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure I'm sure the other kids did. But yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: I think this is like old person pager code talk,
Speaker 1: because that's where it first started. You'd be like yo,
Speaker 1: and then my, my, my little shorty in sixth grade
Speaker 1: would hit my little page here with one for three.
Speaker 1: He did not. I I was a page here in sixth grade.
Speaker 1: I did. I said, I don't want anything except a
Speaker 1: pager and my grandma, come on you, granny rest in peace.
Speaker 1: She got me that because that's what granny's are supposed
Speaker 1: to do. They spoil you even though, like what does
Speaker 1: he need a pager for? He's like in school, he
Speaker 1: needs a page And I'm like, thank you. Gotta love you,
Speaker 1: gotta love the grandparents. Okay, Oz, we're going to get
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better, aside from the
Speaker 1: fact that you're a humble, your modest and you don't
Speaker 1: like to waive your awards and faces. But we're going
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit, just give people a preview.
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about just a quick heat
Speaker 1: check on Trump. You know, where is he at with everything?
Speaker 1: We like to always kind of just check in to
Speaker 1: see what's his Is his death grip on the party
Speaker 1: still strong? Is it relaxing? Is it going to be
Speaker 1: the thing that brings the party now? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's just look at a few dimensions and we'll go
Speaker 1: from there. We'll also talk about this idea of being
Speaker 1: a patriot at the pump man. All these Americans are
Speaker 1: willing to pay higher gas prices to you know, just
Speaker 1: to help in solidarity for the people of Ukraine and
Speaker 1: to to to give really to stick it to putin.
Speaker 1: But is that is this is this from the gas
Speaker 1: industry what are we talking about when we say we're
Speaker 1: being patriotic by enduring high prices. I think that's more
Speaker 1: of a profiteering thing than anything. So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that also, Joel. Look, this is why I'm almost like,
Speaker 1: come on, break me off with something interesting, because you know,
Speaker 1: I have my head in the newspaper so much. Yeah, literally,
Speaker 1: newspapers all the time. I don't know what's happening out
Speaker 1: there with the entertainment. And you've got something interesting about
Speaker 1: Daniel Khaluya. It's a it's a bomb. When it hit yesterday,
Speaker 1: I said, what is happening? Okay, we got we gotta
Speaker 1: get it to the bottom of it. Okay, So we're
Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: find out what's going on with Daniel Khalia. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about all that plentymore. But first, Ah, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history that's revealing about who you are,
Speaker 1: what you're into right now? Well, fun, you should ask.
Speaker 1: I am just started a new podcast company with Mangesh,
Speaker 1: who I know you know very well, and shout up,
Speaker 1: he truly is my better hulf in this in this business.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for everyone that is me, not him. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here, but he came up with the name for
Speaker 1: our company, which is Kaleidoscope. And I just saw that.
Speaker 1: I saw the trades. I saw you'all sign a deal
Speaker 1: with wm ME. You know what I'm saying. I saw
Speaker 1: that you might hear the deadline keeping out with the trades.
Speaker 1: Because and so we called the company Kaleidoscope. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people asked us why we called the kaleidoscope,
Speaker 1: and and so I've been doing some homework after the
Speaker 1: fact on kaleidoscopes. You always the best time to do
Speaker 1: your homework after the real answer. I had all name
Speaker 1: exactly well, I mean, it is, it is. We thought
Speaker 1: it was a cool name. We liked the idea of
Speaker 1: different perspective of colors, of you know, a moment of wonder,
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. But it turns out that
Speaker 1: kaleidoscopes were actually invented in the Victorian era at the
Speaker 1: same time the Industrial Revolution was happening, and so, you know,
Speaker 1: then there are all these new technologies like the steamship
Speaker 1: and telegrams and people moving to the city and rail
Speaker 1: and it was just a time when the kind of
Speaker 1: the world was being turned into data much more crude
Speaker 1: data than now. But but where like basically there was
Speaker 1: all this stuff happening and at the same time all
Speaker 1: these new tools for looking at the world came into exist.
Speaker 1: Since so the calidoscope, the telescope, the periscope, Sherlock Holmes
Speaker 1: is very famous, magnifying glass, stay is not another scope.
Speaker 1: But I think what we're hoping with the podcast we
Speaker 1: made for Kaleidoscope will be kind of helping people makes
Speaker 1: sense of the world and providing a new perspective. And
Speaker 1: it we just sort it was interesting that this kind
Speaker 1: of bulge of of new technologies to look at the
Speaker 1: world in new ways came about when everyone was struggling
Speaker 1: to process modernity and right now, like I think everyone's
Speaker 1: struggling to process postmodernity. So we hope that will make
Speaker 1: some podcasts that you know, at the very least are
Speaker 1: provocative and and and fun and pay off our rather
Speaker 1: lofty name. I think it will. I mean, I've with
Speaker 1: my limited experience in interacting with you ares I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we called each other in l A a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, you know, and I between you
Speaker 1: a mango, I feel like you will probably be able
Speaker 1: to deliver on that and the explanation too. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure people like in a in a meeting would
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, why kaleidoscope, Like you know, just kind
Speaker 1: of how like it kind of gives you new perspective,
Speaker 1: could twist it and then one thing looks like this
Speaker 1: like wow, that's cool. But then you're talking about no man,
Speaker 1: people are struggling to deal with post modernity and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it
Speaker 1: in l A normally, but we know each other one enough. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think that's that's a good that's a really
Speaker 1: great explanation. Oh man, I used to I sued to
Speaker 1: love I had this one kaleidoscope. I couldn't. I still
Speaker 1: think about how many hours I could look through a kaleidoscope,
Speaker 1: like as a kid and always be like damn, it's
Speaker 1: like always different. Oh, you bought the bus right here,
Speaker 1: and it is how do I look? You look? Well,
Speaker 1: I can't see you, but I can see a very
Speaker 1: beautiful question. I mean, having a free toy that you
Speaker 1: can just spend hours looking through and seeing something new
Speaker 1: every second, that's kind of amazing. Actually, these were the
Speaker 1: cell phones of the Victorian era, parents and priests and
Speaker 1: moralists said that people were starting to ignore the real world,
Speaker 1: seduced by their kalidoscopes, bumping their heads into walls as
Speaker 1: they wandered around because they were so obsessed by these
Speaker 1: dangerous toys. So it's interesting how history repeats itself again
Speaker 1: and again. Oh my god, they're probably like street car
Speaker 1: verse pedestrian incidents, or like person was just looking at
Speaker 1: their damn kaleidoscope walked into the road, and there was
Speaker 1: a scandal over the patents of who owned the kaleidoscope.
Speaker 1: There was some commercial litigation that guy who mentored the kalidoscope,
Speaker 1: as always happens, didn't profit from it, even though it
Speaker 1: became the most popular toy with the Victorian era. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of world history buried
Speaker 1: in a little guy whould have thought, who's the thoughts?
Speaker 1: What's something you think is overrated? Well, turning the tone
Speaker 1: slightly bleaker than kaleidoscopes. I come from a Ukrainian My
Speaker 1: grandfather's Ukrainian refugee, and so we don't have any family
Speaker 1: in Ukraine anymore. With a couple of family. Friends have
Speaker 1: been watching that situation with with tremendous sadness and feeling
Speaker 1: conflicted on the one hand, you know, wanting to very
Speaker 1: much support the fight of the Ukrainians, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: being a bit worried about the Ukrainians being co opted
Speaker 1: by you know, the good guys into into this war
Speaker 1: which is going to be just a tremendous, tremendous cost
Speaker 1: to human life. So it's a very complicated situation. And
Speaker 1: I think, like the you know, I think one of
Speaker 1: the things which would overrated is the is the violent
Speaker 1: hot take. And so when I saw that Facebook was
Speaker 1: making a special exception to allow hate speech temporarily on
Speaker 1: its platform, I thought that was pretty overy overrated. They said,
Speaker 1: as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we
Speaker 1: have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that
Speaker 1: would normally violate our rules, like violent speech, such as
Speaker 1: death to Russian invaders. We still won't allow credible calls
Speaker 1: for violence against Russian civilians. Now, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you define a credible call for violence against a Russian civilian,
Speaker 1: But the one person I wouldn't want to be making
Speaker 1: that judgment is Facebook. Yeah. Absolutely, they have a pretty
Speaker 1: horrendous track record. It seems when they're saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: this group of angry people kind of got away from
Speaker 1: us and now it's spilling into real world violence against
Speaker 1: you know, groups of like innocent people. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is always interesting to see. And it was like
Speaker 1: a curious decision, right because do you think that's for
Speaker 1: them to sort of be able to begin to reason
Speaker 1: that there are acceptable forms of hate speech? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I get like what your point is. Right,
Speaker 1: of course, people of Ukraine are going to look at
Speaker 1: an invasion of Russian military is being like, yo, fuck this,
Speaker 1: fuck these people, funk all of this. And on one hand,
Speaker 1: I think that's where meta there's Facebook. Facebook is like hmmm,
Speaker 1: like I feel that, I feel that, I get I
Speaker 1: get where they're coming from. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: when it's just gonna be like un eased, untethered, like
Speaker 1: just absolute anger, just directed I just the idea of Russians,
Speaker 1: then that's eventually going to God's problems. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of Asian American people already saw the
Speaker 1: fallout of people even calling the coronavirus China flu or
Speaker 1: saying Wuhan flu and ship like that, and that even
Speaker 1: something that small can turn into hate crimes. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: feels like a bit of a slippery slope, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I know, we're going to talk about patriotism at the
Speaker 1: gas pumps. I remember the boycott on French fries after
Speaker 1: nine eleven because the French friend wanted to join the
Speaker 1: invasion of Afghanistan, so including them although it wasn't that
Speaker 1: was the invasion of Iraq, I think. So they rebranded
Speaker 1: is Freedom Fries and McDonald's just I think closed down
Speaker 1: their their branches in Moscow. I mean, none of this
Speaker 1: stuff is is straightforward, but the the kind of nexus
Speaker 1: of online hate and conflict and I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just I'm not it's there's no there's no right answer,
Speaker 1: But I just I don't think that the kind of
Speaker 1: the turning on the taps of the mob is part killingly.
Speaker 1: I would say that has overrated. Yeah and no, and
Speaker 1: it's dangerous, especially considering too, It's like, okay, well what
Speaker 1: happens in the summer when you have something to say
Speaker 1: about the police who are also killing unarmed people? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's hate speech and that's dangerous, Like well, what
Speaker 1: where why are you the arbiters of this? And if
Speaker 1: it's if one thing is bad, then it also it
Speaker 1: always has to be bad. But I think that's the
Speaker 1: problem when you have profit minded companies trying to like
Speaker 1: pars through the discourse and be like, well, this is
Speaker 1: this and it's a very it's almost like the internet's
Speaker 1: fucked up and it's only exactly I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: my hot tache for today. The Internet's fucked up. Your face.
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, and this is the only
Speaker 1: place it's ever been muttered, thank you. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's I think it's really it's hard to watch too,
Speaker 1: because I think for me being from like my like
Speaker 1: coming from an immigrant, My mom's an immigrant, and just
Speaker 1: the idea of being out of a place that you
Speaker 1: consider your home and sort of looking on to watch
Speaker 1: like the destruction of a place that's very near and
Speaker 1: dear to you without any power over it, and you
Speaker 1: see all these people beginning to come in to figure
Speaker 1: out how they can sort of weaponize it for their
Speaker 1: own needs is really really fucking hard to watch. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I pray for as much positivity for people
Speaker 1: who are like deeply emotionally affected by it. Because you
Speaker 1: have a close friend of miners Ukrainian. It's very difficult
Speaker 1: for her to to watch along, especially you know, she's
Speaker 1: from Odessa and all the news is like Odess is
Speaker 1: gonna get smashed pretty soon, and that's a terrible thing.
Speaker 1: Like I think most American people are completely disconnected from
Speaker 1: that because they're like, I don't know, I'm from you know,
Speaker 1: like like Chicago. Like Joel, if you're like Chicago is
Speaker 1: about to get the smash put on them, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's that's my home. But we're already
Speaker 1: beginning to see all the ignorance and how people view
Speaker 1: the conflict there versus another parts of the world. It's
Speaker 1: become like this very It's interesting what the pandemic has
Speaker 1: done for certain levels awareness and then what this this
Speaker 1: invasion in Ukraine is also doing, like exposing the media
Speaker 1: is very fucked up, like eurocentric, white centric bias as
Speaker 1: it relates to global like militarized conflict. And we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the gas and oil companies too. Just everybody's got
Speaker 1: something to talk about as what is something that you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? Well, continuing my vintage technology kick kaleidoscopes
Speaker 1: and your pay char I think a Larum clocks underrats it.
Speaker 1: You know, we always read about how you shouldn't go
Speaker 1: to bed looking at your phone last thing at night,
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't look at your phone first thing in
Speaker 1: the morning. And I found myself for a little bit stressed. Recently,
Speaker 1: I thought, why don't I buy a laun clock and
Speaker 1: not look at my phone lastly at night and first
Speaker 1: thing in the morning, simply because you know, I have
Speaker 1: the excuse that I needed to because my alarms on it.
Speaker 1: Since buying a Launch I put a next in my bed,
Speaker 1: I haven't used it once. And they said I've been
Speaker 1: doom scrolling morning and night. However, I think the moment
Speaker 1: I put my battery in that guy, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: feeling better. Yeah, it's hard to get off the other
Speaker 1: doom scroll is dangerous, and especially when there's something fucked
Speaker 1: up intersecting with something you care about. It's like they
Speaker 1: only it's like again, It's like the Internet's fucked up
Speaker 1: and gave us this secondary skill to be like and
Speaker 1: now you will obsess over this. You'll you're gonna read
Speaker 1: the same headline written forty different ways, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep scrolling in the hopes that a new thing's gonna
Speaker 1: show up to kind of begin to shift your focus,
Speaker 1: whether that makes it more positive or more cynical or
Speaker 1: nihilistic or whatever. And it's such a fucking it's a
Speaker 1: losing game. And yeah, it is hard to say, like
Speaker 1: just to tell yourself, you know what get you know,
Speaker 1: if I give myself some time, that droom scroll be
Speaker 1: shorter because four things will have happened and I can
Speaker 1: absorb them on once rather than making this a long
Speaker 1: he needs to watch the news once a day and
Speaker 1: or get our papers twice a day. You have the
Speaker 1: morning edition and an evening edition. And that was all folks,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful time. Didn't appreciate it as it was happening,
Speaker 1: would love it back. Turning off notifications has helped with
Speaker 1: the doom scrolling a lot, And I can't recommend it
Speaker 1: highly enough, Like turn off your notifications every time because
Speaker 1: other pides. Every time you get that buzz, you're like,
Speaker 1: what's happening? What's going on? And I can easily lose
Speaker 1: an hour. You'll have like a physical response to your
Speaker 1: phone buzzing too. You'll be like, you'll be get You'll
Speaker 1: get anxious because your phone buzzed because you're like, what
Speaker 1: does that have to do? Is this thing I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about, or is this thing that's causing
Speaker 1: you stress or whatever, and you don't want to be
Speaker 1: like that. I'd rather look at my phone and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look the screen has a bunch of notifications on. I'll
Speaker 1: get to that. Yeah, totally. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: us what kind of alarm? Is it the old eighties
Speaker 1: one that somehow still works for everybody that's got the
Speaker 1: like almost alarm blair? Is it one of the new
Speaker 1: ones that does that sweet like lulling you awake kind
Speaker 1: of vibe? Or is it like an old school with
Speaker 1: the two bells on the top. Yeah, well I was.
Speaker 1: I was worried as ever this particular anxiety. How what
Speaker 1: I was buying the alarmplock was what if the ticking
Speaker 1: of the of the hand is too much, too much
Speaker 1: to handle? So it's a it's a silent tick alarm clock.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's kind of kind of vintage sort
Speaker 1: of air to it, But sadly I've actually never heard
Speaker 1: it go off because I've been using my phone. So
Speaker 1: I'll report back if you guys ever invite me back
Speaker 1: on the show will be the first. I will make
Speaker 1: you hold it along with your Peabody award on the
Speaker 1: front line, present the awards and a long clock. Please
Speaker 1: do you do? Okay? So you said you're failing at
Speaker 1: not looking at your phone before going to sleep. I've
Speaker 1: only recently began to. I just switched to my computer.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that counts. I'm like, well, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not my phone, it's my computer, and it's a
Speaker 1: much large erra image. I find it easier to fall
Speaker 1: asleep when I have a computer in front of me
Speaker 1: than my phone, which is really weird. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I do. I have gotten better at not waking
Speaker 1: up and immediately looking at the phone, like I like
Speaker 1: to wake up, feed my pets, go outside, kind of
Speaker 1: like stretched my body and then fifteen minutes passing. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of Joel, do you have
Speaker 1: any are you? Are you? Are you glued to that ship? Well?
Speaker 1: I have recently had to start meditating what do I
Speaker 1: think I've talked about on this show before? Every morning,
Speaker 1: and then any time I'm close to like being too
Speaker 1: stressed out, like we're just gonna stop and take five
Speaker 1: to ten minutes um and I used the calm app
Speaker 1: to do that. So I'm trying to get in the
Speaker 1: habit of just like hit the calm app button, hit
Speaker 1: the meditation playlist, and then put it down because I
Speaker 1: was having a problem of like rolling over like deep
Speaker 1: scroll through Twitter, deep scroll through Instagram, like check out
Speaker 1: the stories like it was my morning news, and then
Speaker 1: I would play word it was things were not getting
Speaker 1: done in the morning. So yeah, so now I'm on
Speaker 1: like meditate, trying to like shower, wake up, and then
Speaker 1: just get out of my room as fast as possible
Speaker 1: from otherwise it's an issue and I can't be working
Speaker 1: in my room all the time anymore. It's mindfulness, mindfulness. Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back to
Speaker 1: just just check in on Trump's just a quick heat check,
Speaker 1: real quick. All right, We'll be right back and we're
Speaker 1: back time for a heat check Trump. Okay, last week
Speaker 1: he had he had a man quite a week for
Speaker 1: him last week. On Wednesday, last Wednesday, he was talking
Speaker 1: about all during the Texas Republican primaries, like everybody I picked,
Speaker 1: they're winning so well, They're doing so so great. He
Speaker 1: couldn't have been doing better. You know, he left out
Speaker 1: the part where most of them are running on a
Speaker 1: post but sure, uh je factoe kingmaker here. And he
Speaker 1: also conveniently ignored how many of his other hand picked
Speaker 1: candidates were not doing that great, like David Perdue, who
Speaker 1: he is trying to sick on his arch nemesis, Governor
Speaker 1: Brian Kemp and the governor's race for Georgia because Brian
Speaker 1: Kemp famously refused to rat funk the election for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: So Trump is now just doing using the strategy of
Speaker 1: like within your my enemy, and I'll send a bunch
Speaker 1: of unqualified candidates who don't have a great a chance
Speaker 1: of winning after you to create more intra party fighting.
Speaker 1: And you know, a few years ago, his endorsement meant
Speaker 1: a lot, like you know, it was the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that a lot of elected people would be like, well, god,
Speaker 1: I gotta get that endorsement. If he goes against if
Speaker 1: he picks this other person, that I'm cooked. But that
Speaker 1: potency has decreased a bit. And now that he's out
Speaker 1: of office, his strategy just seems to be really just
Speaker 1: to use his endorsement as an attack against other Republicans
Speaker 1: that he has deemed disloyal. So not a great strategy
Speaker 1: if you're looking at the long term, but a great
Speaker 1: strategy if you just want to serve your ego, which
Speaker 1: I'll give him that it's his uh superpower. And aside
Speaker 1: from that, I think we're also seeing that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Republicans who are really trying
Speaker 1: to distance themselves from Trump's pro Putin comments. That it's
Speaker 1: becoming a little more clear that there's like this openness
Speaker 1: to disagreeing in public with the former president. And now
Speaker 1: that's probably because support for Putin is already just very
Speaker 1: low outside of like the O A. N and News
Speaker 1: Max and like Fox News crowd, but this like people
Speaker 1: like this, You have Representative Mike Simpson, and we're looking
Speaker 1: from Idaho, says quote, I agree with Pence that there's
Speaker 1: no room in our party for apologists for Putin. Again,
Speaker 1: that's a direct shot at Trump, and like the people
Speaker 1: followed up that question when he said, okay, when he
Speaker 1: said he agrees with Mike Pence that there's no room
Speaker 1: for Putin apologists, when he was asked, like, is that
Speaker 1: sort of the why eight or sentiment? Like in most
Speaker 1: of the Republican conference the journalist as he said, Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the widely held consensus. John Kakko from
Speaker 1: New York and the Republic, and he was more direct.
Speaker 1: He said, Putin isn't a genius, and neither is Trump.
Speaker 1: So I think it's an easy win for Republicans because
Speaker 1: it's such a clear thing. Like you're like, you don't there,
Speaker 1: You're not intellectually built to try and argue why Putin
Speaker 1: is a genius and why that's good for everything that
Speaker 1: you stand for as a politician. But like, so I'm
Speaker 1: not holding my breath in the sense and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: the tide is turning. But it is clear that they
Speaker 1: do see that it's a It's very problematic for them
Speaker 1: to take that sort of idea on and and sort
Speaker 1: of campaign on it because I look back at a
Speaker 1: few years ago and you have people like Lindsey Graham
Speaker 1: who would bend over backwards trying to defend his like
Speaker 1: overtly racist remarks, and you're like, holy sh it, he's
Speaker 1: got everybody like lockstep with this nonsense. But I think
Speaker 1: this one, it's like just so it's so obvious that
Speaker 1: this isn't that's this ain't the take for the party
Speaker 1: to be hopping in on, and it is bad. I
Speaker 1: just want to point out, like it gets pretty bad
Speaker 1: when you have people like Sean Hannity who are essentially
Speaker 1: begging Trump too, you know, maybe condemn Vladimir Putin. Let's
Speaker 1: hear that you came onto some fire when you said
Speaker 1: that Vladimir Putin is very smart. I think I know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better than most people in the media,
Speaker 1: and I think you also recognize he's evil, do you not. Well,
Speaker 1: I was referring to the fact that he said this
Speaker 1: is an independent nation talking about Ukraine, and I said,
Speaker 1: that's something said. This is before there was an attack attack,
Speaker 1: he's calling it an independent nation. Now a lot of
Speaker 1: things are changing. When you look, this doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be the same Putin that I was dealing with. But
Speaker 1: I will tell you he wouldn't have changed. If I
Speaker 1: were dealing with him, he wouldn't have changed. You know,
Speaker 1: I supplied and I know Biden is to take credit
Speaker 1: and they're all trying to take credit about Okay, so
Speaker 1: now he just starts he completely missed that offer him
Speaker 1: for him to take, and he just goes on to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I got. He goes on to
Speaker 1: be like the javelin anti tank busters, I gave them that,
Speaker 1: and Hannity is even like, oh my god, bro, like,
Speaker 1: please let me try one more time. The interview goes
Speaker 1: on for a little bit more and Hannity tries fucking
Speaker 1: one more time. He's like, here, here it is again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put put the point out that it's you
Speaker 1: do not want to agree with this person. You want
Speaker 1: to be opposed to the actions of Vladimir Putin. Maybe
Speaker 1: this will be the time he starts to listen. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe not. Let me go back then to the issue
Speaker 1: of the criticism, because, um, I've known you twenty five
Speaker 1: years and uh, when you got criticized for saying that
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is smart. Um, We've had many conversations. Um,
Speaker 1: and you've often quoted to me Sun Sue the art
Speaker 1: of war keep your is close and your enemy is closer.
Speaker 1: Is that how you've view Vladimir? Did you view Vladimir
Speaker 1: Putin and people like President she and Kim Jong un
Speaker 1: and the Iranian Mullahs as enemies that you needed to
Speaker 1: keep close. I got along with these people. I got
Speaker 1: along with them. Well, that doesn't mean they're good people.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything other than the fact that I
Speaker 1: understood them, and perhaps they understood me. Maybe they understood
Speaker 1: me even better. That's okay, because they knew they'd be
Speaker 1: a big penalty anyway. So he goes on to not
Speaker 1: condemning anything and just says, actually, I'm really good homies
Speaker 1: with them. Thank you for bringing that up. And he
Speaker 1: really did the thing where he was trying to do
Speaker 1: like when I'm sure in the past when he said
Speaker 1: racist stuff, and you've got to be like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I've known you a long time and not know that's
Speaker 1: not your heart. You know what I mean, because you've
Speaker 1: hired black people in the past, So how do how
Speaker 1: do you feel when people tell them to try and
Speaker 1: paint your words like that? And then you'd be like, exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been a big supporter of blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: He couldn't even do that in this instance. He's I think,
Speaker 1: very much locked into this idea that it's only him
Speaker 1: that could have prevented an invasion because he was so
Speaker 1: close with Vladimir Putin, And that's essentially the the track
Speaker 1: he's on at the moment. That's hilarious, just because I
Speaker 1: I don't know Trump. Trump is such a wild figure
Speaker 1: to me because he lets any kind of actual charisma,
Speaker 1: Like he's not good at giving speeches, even the ones
Speaker 1: pre written for him. He's not He's not attractive in
Speaker 1: the way you would think like, oh, it's like Australian
Speaker 1: political figure. Well he's a strong jaw and like a
Speaker 1: face you could trust or something. And like every time
Speaker 1: he opened some mouth he sounds like an idiot. Uh,
Speaker 1: and yet there are still people clamoring to hear him speak.
Speaker 1: That's ah, it's a trip, it's I think, but it's
Speaker 1: there's something. Even the way Hannity was talking, right, He's
Speaker 1: there was like this level of defeat. It's almost like
Speaker 1: Hannity was there to try and like prop up this
Speaker 1: old like punch drunk box or that he used to idolize,
Speaker 1: and it's solely realizing he's just a regular creepy, old
Speaker 1: racist guy and there's not much he can do. I guess. Also,
Speaker 1: you have to think that probably Tucker and Anity, you know,
Speaker 1: desperate to have Trump condemned putin now because I think
Speaker 1: they're going to be stuck with with their own supporter
Speaker 1: puttin around their necks. You know, and it's going to
Speaker 1: make make make their lives, but make it's difficult and mean,
Speaker 1: I think you know Tucker in particular, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has designs on on office or not, but
Speaker 1: it feels like the real you could do of you know,
Speaker 1: praise for Putin and denial the Ukrainian innovasion was about
Speaker 1: to happen. It's not going to be very helpful. So
Speaker 1: I guess they probably want to get Trump to denounce
Speaker 1: Putin so they can kind of sweep this whole uncomfortable
Speaker 1: Dion's under the under the rug. But I gather some
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some people who are running around
Speaker 1: Trump in the Republican Party and still kind of supporting Putin,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, let learn from a moral, ethical,
Speaker 1: geopolitical standpoint, just from a you know, self interested point
Speaker 1: of view, it's very hard to understand. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think it's because it's these like Marjorie Taylor Green and
Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne types who you know, Marjorie Taylor Green was
Speaker 1: that like a total fascist event that are like, you know,
Speaker 1: a white nationalist group that loves Putin. And when she
Speaker 1: was speaking, they were chanting his name and she was
Speaker 1: just like sin Bad and eye at that, and people
Speaker 1: like what the fuck Madison Cawthorne we talked about last
Speaker 1: week how he was saying like Zelenski the thug and
Speaker 1: actually like Ukraine is so corrupt that it's and they
Speaker 1: push woke ideologies that this is a good thing that
Speaker 1: Putin is doing, and you're like, dude, you don't even
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. I think you just I think
Speaker 1: you're such an autopilot of being like I just have
Speaker 1: to agree with what whatever Trump says, and that's how
Speaker 1: I keep going without any understanding again of like the
Speaker 1: geopolitical nature of this, what the outcomes could mean for anything,
Speaker 1: and just being like I don't know, man, I just
Speaker 1: do whatever Trump does. And I think it's also important
Speaker 1: to realize that the folks really view themselves as part
Speaker 1: of like an oligarchical society, like they think like having
Speaker 1: money it makes you a better human being. And I
Speaker 1: think that many of them are hoping for a Putin victory,
Speaker 1: and like all they talk about is is a global
Speaker 1: shift in like fascist direction, and so this is the
Speaker 1: start of that, and I think they're excited about it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any thought other than this
Speaker 1: is our chance to win and see this swift change
Speaker 1: brought here, which is right because if you can normalize, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they want to normalize, especially a lot of like the
Speaker 1: cracking down on like dissident voices or LGBTQ people. And
Speaker 1: they're like, whoa, we fucking love that. Oh we love that,
Speaker 1: you know what I actually like And that's a lot
Speaker 1: of the talking points you hear like on oh and
Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, look at what he's against, you know,
Speaker 1: like that really aligns with a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: we're talking about, So why shouldn't we be there? But
Speaker 1: that's not the case or so anyway, back to Trump though,
Speaker 1: his his brain, Like the other thing about just sort
Speaker 1: of his brand waning right is like truth social his
Speaker 1: whole like fucking you know, Twitter clone that was supposed
Speaker 1: to up end the whole discourse of the Internet came out.
Speaker 1: It was a total wet fart. Everyone like could barely register.
Speaker 1: It was like a waiting line that's like a half
Speaker 1: million people long, and like people are still barely able
Speaker 1: to use it. And if you look at it, it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty much a failure by all measures. Trump barely
Speaker 1: uses it. Milania has publicly said that parlor is her
Speaker 1: official home. His kids don't use it. Many big name
Speaker 1: media personalities in the conservative like take us sphere, do
Speaker 1: not use it either, and the ones that do, like
Speaker 1: they get very little engagement on it and don't seem
Speaker 1: that excited. And again, I think this show is another
Speaker 1: aspect of it that the brand isn't as strong as
Speaker 1: it used to be, especially when you consider that, like
Speaker 1: the main attraction to this is just being like, hey,
Speaker 1: Trump's here, huh, come on. But the only thing Trump
Speaker 1: has been good at selling ever, it's merchandise and reality TV.
Speaker 1: Like there's not a success story in anything he's ever
Speaker 1: sold aside from that, So it's still wild to the
Speaker 1: people were like it's gonna work. It's like, no, he's
Speaker 1: never properly invested in a company ever. And again I
Speaker 1: think the other part of that too is like I
Speaker 1: think he the people behind that social app and a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff. These like Republicans who want to
Speaker 1: set up like these safe spaces for racists and fascists,
Speaker 1: is that they really don't like Republicans in this country.
Speaker 1: They just derive their sense of self from merely being
Speaker 1: like the antithesis of whatever democrats are, like, they can
Speaker 1: only define themselves in relation to this other thing. They
Speaker 1: have no identity aside from no, we're the party of regressing,
Speaker 1: so if there's progress, they're the only thing we know
Speaker 1: how to do is just like try and rein it
Speaker 1: in and slam on the brakes. We don't really have
Speaker 1: anything to add outside of being like, no, not this
Speaker 1: thing they're talking about over there. And again it shows
Speaker 1: they have no interest. So they they're not interested in
Speaker 1: echo chamber. They need these environments where they get to
Speaker 1: argue with liberals. That's the how, that's their their lifeblood.
Speaker 1: And I think they're also failing to understand it's like,
Speaker 1: we don't give a funk about a place where I
Speaker 1: can use like racial slurs without being banned. Like I
Speaker 1: get off on saying those two liberals, that's how my
Speaker 1: life works. So it's a bit of a balancing act
Speaker 1: that I think they're struggling with. And again, it doesn't
Speaker 1: help when the first ladies like fucking truth, I use
Speaker 1: partier like what they can't even get in the same
Speaker 1: page with their marketing. And lastly, when you talk about products,
Speaker 1: he's also begging for jet money, which was a huge thing.
Speaker 1: He was at a fundraising event in Louisiana and a
Speaker 1: jet he was on had like an engine failure and
Speaker 1: they were forced to have an emergency landing on his
Speaker 1: way back to Florida and apparently freaked the funk out
Speaker 1: of him. The next day, there's emails going out to
Speaker 1: all the supporters being like, we're gonna need a little
Speaker 1: how would you like to participate in funding the new
Speaker 1: Trump Force one project? And it's and again most people
Speaker 1: have pointed out that that seven fifty seven that he
Speaker 1: was going around during the campaign, that's like in a
Speaker 1: fucking hangar in New York. That's like beyond repair. The
Speaker 1: fucking one engine needs to be replaced. One of them
Speaker 1: isn't even like on the fucking plane. So he's been
Speaker 1: framing this as and also this is a new air
Speaker 1: Trump Force one that I've been working on in secret,
Speaker 1: so even the media doesn't even know about it. No, dude,
Speaker 1: you panicked on your fucking p jet because the engine
Speaker 1: went down, and now you're trying to grift for your
Speaker 1: own jet money. You ain't got no money, Yeah, no money,
Speaker 1: And he's using it on jets, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to keep our eyes on this one and
Speaker 1: again watching how the conversation is like shifting and there's
Speaker 1: like this one brief moment of like bipartisanship and like
Speaker 1: that most of the Republican establishment is like, no, we agree, Yeah,
Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine is bad. We do. We agree on that,
Speaker 1: which is very hate. Seeing white people at war really
Speaker 1: tears them apart. Oh god, those kids have blue eyes.
Speaker 1: I mean I had I have blue eyes. You know,
Speaker 1: there's never been a war in Europe before. It's it's
Speaker 1: new to us. It's totally foreign. Could never couldn't happens
Speaker 1: to brown people. Awful. Yeah, and that's all the one
Speaker 1: of the widest ones. I think one of the French,
Speaker 1: I know it was the French Foreign minister or some
Speaker 1: French minister said they drive caused like us, stopping like us.
Speaker 1: What did you think Ukraine was before this too? Like
Speaker 1: you just assume as the Stone Age and then you're like,
Speaker 1: they drive cars like us. Fu. Yeah, not to mention anyway.
Speaker 1: So that's where that that's where we are with old Trumper.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll obviously keep an eye on that because
Speaker 1: the oh, another poll came out that said him and
Speaker 1: Joe Biden are in a dead lock in a potential,
Speaker 1: you know, speculative presidential election poll. But at that point,
Speaker 1: I hope Joe Biden is not running again. That's not
Speaker 1: what we need. So I want to talk about this.
Speaker 1: We're talking about patriots at the pump, right, and talking
Speaker 1: about all the ways in which different people are using
Speaker 1: this crisis in Ukraine for their own nefarious aims, and
Speaker 1: the oil and gas lobby is working over time to
Speaker 1: use this crisis as an opportunity to further their own
Speaker 1: gred I think one of the most common things we've
Speaker 1: been seeing is this sentiment that accepting rising gas prices
Speaker 1: is actually a patriotic act, since you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: we need to go without so that we can help
Speaker 1: others out. And I think they love this one because
Speaker 1: it's really easy. They're already you know, they're already raking
Speaker 1: in record profits, okay, And I think people here ban
Speaker 1: on Russian gas, and most people wouldn't think twice to
Speaker 1: even know how much gas we actually import from Russia.
Speaker 1: It accounts for about eight percent of our supply, and
Speaker 1: the US produces again just a side note, enough oil
Speaker 1: to cover domestic needs, but we do import a ton
Speaker 1: of petroleum products still and because of the global market
Speaker 1: is affected by the disruptions, and we do import petroleum
Speaker 1: produc those disruptions and supply the logic here as well. Well,
Speaker 1: the prices are all just gonna go up, and I
Speaker 1: think most people have accepted that, and this is really
Speaker 1: just pure greed, you know, like this is this is
Speaker 1: a this is an industry that was clearing over two
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars in profits at the end of last year,
Speaker 1: and this is just price gouging. They found an opportunity
Speaker 1: to sort of insert this narrative of like, granted, yes
Speaker 1: the market is being disrupted, but there's no room for
Speaker 1: them to eat into their two hundred billion dollars in
Speaker 1: profits to make things easier, or there's the choice to
Speaker 1: just extract as much money out of consumers as possible.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where things get a little bit murky.
Speaker 1: And it's tough when you have people like Stephen Colbert
Speaker 1: and George Tak who like for liberals, are like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do they have to say, and they're even saying
Speaker 1: the same ship. It's like, you know, we got to
Speaker 1: accept these higher prices, you know, it's just something we
Speaker 1: gotta do. And I think this is also this really
Speaker 1: helps democrats too, because it's also a very tight way
Speaker 1: for them to attach an external problem to explain like
Speaker 1: inflation and their lack of control over greedy corporations. Like
Speaker 1: it's just this conflict, you know, so we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta do what's right. You know, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit of pain for working people, a lot of
Speaker 1: pleasure if you're in the C suite at a fucking
Speaker 1: fossil fuel company. Yeah, and it's just given a lot
Speaker 1: of like these talking points to be marched out by
Speaker 1: gas and oil boot liquors, like you hear this thing
Speaker 1: of like the Keystone XEL pipeline just that would have
Speaker 1: defeated Putin if we just didn't block that because the
Speaker 1: darned fucking like environmentalist hippies, that is not a production pipeline.
Speaker 1: There's no additional oil coming because the Keyston like they
Speaker 1: don't again, people just say this and they don't talk
Speaker 1: about Keystone XL was to move oil from Canada to
Speaker 1: like Texas to be refined and then shipped abroad. It
Speaker 1: wasn't because the Keystone XL was like, oh man, we
Speaker 1: got this whole gas station called Keystone X know that
Speaker 1: we haven't turned on, and we get all this kind
Speaker 1: of oil and gas lobby talking points being injected into
Speaker 1: the discourse to tell us that, you know, we need
Speaker 1: more fossil fuel, when in fact it sounds like we
Speaker 1: need less. But one of the most cynical little moments
Speaker 1: that's come out of the last month or so was
Speaker 1: the like normalizing of relations between the US and Venezuela. So,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Venezuela was a pariah state, and you know,
Speaker 1: Maduro was an unacceptable dictator, and the US foreign policy
Speaker 1: establigement had to support the opposition. And now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's fine, Maduro is a great guy. He's
Speaker 1: released political prisoners, and Venezuelan oil and gas is going
Speaker 1: to be coming onto the market in the US. And
Speaker 1: it's like fair enough, Like it's good. It's good to
Speaker 1: be looking for alternative wood and gas sources. I guess
Speaker 1: to make sure that people don't have to pay the
Speaker 1: price at the pump, etcetera. But like just the like
Speaker 1: eight no explanation, just like actually, like situation has changed.
Speaker 1: So this person who is on acceptable dictator is now
Speaker 1: a great persons to business with It's just like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't understand there's no why why politicians
Speaker 1: can't treat citizens like adults. I mean, if they explained, hey,
Speaker 1: look he's still not a great guy his situation, we're
Speaker 1: going to do business with him, it's like, okay, probably
Speaker 1: get that. But like there's just ty total about face.
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like, you know, some kind of weird
Speaker 1: gaslighting that like how quickly the it can change, like
Speaker 1: who's in and who's out. You have people being like
Speaker 1: Maduro's killing his people with socialism. I mean a roll
Speaker 1: of toilet paper costs nine thousand dollars. This is this,
Speaker 1: and this is why we don't want to go down
Speaker 1: that path and mistreat our people too. I love him,
Speaker 1: and that is I think. You know, if the media
Speaker 1: was a little bit more, you know, less controlled by
Speaker 1: a corporate interests, they'd probably point that out in their coverage.
Speaker 1: They'd say, why have we gone from saying look at
Speaker 1: this place over here, it's a mess. They're evil, we
Speaker 1: shouldn't would sanction them to fucking hell. But then suddenly
Speaker 1: we found a way to completely shift or the perception
Speaker 1: from a policy perspective and say, like no, there's actually
Speaker 1: great there. They've been the coolest people forever and this
Speaker 1: is all fantastic. And I think that's the other part
Speaker 1: of like all this this maneuvering that happens politically because
Speaker 1: going into mid terms, you don't you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's the best form of leadership? Do you do
Speaker 1: you make gas prices cheaper? Do you just say fuck? Well?
Speaker 1: Because the corporations are literally just trying to offset, like
Speaker 1: you know, the lost profits from and coming back with
Speaker 1: a vengeance now by bringing raising prices. Do we what
Speaker 1: do we do with that? And I think it's really
Speaker 1: difficult for just like everyday people to kind of see
Speaker 1: like the contradictory talking points and policies that have been
Speaker 1: happening this whole time. This also seems like a real
Speaker 1: big miss opportunity for Democrats to like reach out to
Speaker 1: their base, the idea that like this point in time,
Speaker 1: Democrats could very loudly be saying like, not only do
Speaker 1: you not need to raise your gas prices, but what
Speaker 1: alternative fuel options can we be investing in at this time?
Speaker 1: Like we are literally exiting a global changing event. Now
Speaker 1: is the time to like hop on new ideas and
Speaker 1: and and I think that people are very much prepared
Speaker 1: to embrace him, specifically folks who lost so much money
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. There's a complete disconnect between it's patriotic
Speaker 1: to spend more money on gas and some people have
Speaker 1: been jobless for the last two and a half years
Speaker 1: and you gave them. But there's not there's if you
Speaker 1: count that other. I mean, I did say two to
Speaker 1: get people by groceries for a month for a family
Speaker 1: of three. Maybe it's bizarre to me specifically considering that
Speaker 1: we are the Democratic there's not there's not an off
Speaker 1: space between like Democrats and Republicans as far as like
Speaker 1: voting goes. Right now, you've got midterms coming up, and
Speaker 1: they're really just sitting on their hands when there seems
Speaker 1: to be an abundant opportunity to make a statement to
Speaker 1: their people like hey, we're here for you. We can
Speaker 1: do things better differently and saview money, which everyone enjoys.
Speaker 1: Every person it's like, oh, we're gonna not has to
Speaker 1: spend so much money. Perfect well, And I think there's
Speaker 1: built like you know, Rocana has introduced to build that
Speaker 1: would essentially that's being sponsored by like Bernie and like
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren and a few other people. That is essentially
Speaker 1: attacks like the windfall profits of the oil and gas
Speaker 1: companies at like fifty percent and then redistribute those funds
Speaker 1: in the form of quarterly checks to people like at
Speaker 1: the same thresholds that the stimulus checks were saying. The
Speaker 1: income thresholds again similar you know, seventy five thousand for individuals,
Speaker 1: one fifty for couples, and it would basically be anywhere
Speaker 1: between two, like around two hundred fifty bucks a year
Speaker 1: for a person per quarter that you would get from
Speaker 1: basically be like, all right, we skimmed the the oil
Speaker 1: and gas corporate profits and there it is. Now we'll
Speaker 1: see where that goes. Because obviously Republicans, the last thing
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, what are you talking about? But
Speaker 1: I think we really need to have a large, like
Speaker 1: this larger conversation about a like you're saying, we need
Speaker 1: to get the funk away from fossil fuels, and this
Speaker 1: industry is built on extracting not only just massive resources
Speaker 1: out of the ground, but squeezing people for every single
Speaker 1: dollar they have while also contributing to earth death. Like
Speaker 1: the the absurdity of it all is one that's not
Speaker 1: being examined close enough. And I think while it's commendable
Speaker 1: to merely say like, yeah, man, we gotta take some
Speaker 1: of this money, it's like, no, we need to fucking
Speaker 1: nationalize this industry. At the very least, this is like
Speaker 1: too much ship depends on this. And at the same
Speaker 1: time it's also the the the cause of and solution
Speaker 1: to all of our problems, apparently, Simpson. So keep your
Speaker 1: eye keep your eye there. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back to talk. You know,
Speaker 1: lighter fair and we're back. It's time for some some
Speaker 1: Hollywood talk, you know what's Joel. Well, when you came here,
Speaker 1: when you first hopped on the zoom call, I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And he said, did you hear about
Speaker 1: this Daniel Khaluja thing and his life strategist? And I
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, I only understood the Daniel Kaluya part.
Speaker 1: What is what else? So there's big news for people
Speaker 1: don't know Daniel Khaluya, most memorably, I think for people
Speaker 1: who aren't if you don't know his name and immediately
Speaker 1: know who that is from, get out and you know
Speaker 1: many other films. But to keep it simple, Daniel Khaluya
Speaker 1: is having a bit of a controversial career shift, career
Speaker 1: shake up or something that's a lot happening around him.
Speaker 1: A career shift is such a nice way to put it.
Speaker 1: And I want to first state that a lot of
Speaker 1: these details are new and incoming, and so I'm going
Speaker 1: to do my best to just give you what facts
Speaker 1: we have and we'll lightly speculate. Okay, So here's what's happening.
Speaker 1: Daniel Clint star right. He's been in so many iconic movies,
Speaker 1: Black Panther, Get Out. He's doing Dope with Jordan Peele next.
Speaker 1: It's the hottest thing happening right now. His team similar
Speaker 1: teams to Steven Spielberg's. I think they have the same agents.
Speaker 1: A couple of months ago he fired everybody, whole team gone,
Speaker 1: and they have all confirmed they're no longer working. We
Speaker 1: typically mean like a manager, agent, publicist. All of them
Speaker 1: checked out and gone, which is bananas. He's replaced reportedly
Speaker 1: his team with a self help guru. I think they
Speaker 1: called her like a gem specialist named air Holiness. That's
Speaker 1: h E. I R. Apparently she also goes by Air princess.
Speaker 1: She is fifty. She describes herself as head mistress for
Speaker 1: the international alma mater of Blessed University. What it is,
Speaker 1: we don't know. Yeah, yeah, oh no, go on and
Speaker 1: I'll just lay it out and then I'll have my
Speaker 1: questions after. I'm sorry, yeah, questions keeping up as you
Speaker 1: describe this. That's okay, So I see it is spokes
Speaker 1: first and told the Post I can confer the denial
Speaker 1: is not a client of the agency any longer. Our
Speaker 1: Holiness has marginalized Decay's usual team. This is according to
Speaker 1: the Post and page six. Okay, very very you know,
Speaker 1: but you know again, we'll lightly speculate, will lightly lightly speculating.
Speaker 1: A source has said our Holiness has taken over his
Speaker 1: life now. She had posted on her Instagram earlier basically
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I worked with Daniel and I love
Speaker 1: it and it's great. Then she pulled that and said
Speaker 1: she never worked with Daniel, So what is the truth?
Speaker 1: We don't know. My most interesting like speculation on this
Speaker 1: is that apparently having her around the set of Nope
Speaker 1: was a nightmare. The quote from the insiders, I've heard
Speaker 1: there were multiple blow ups in the production. People were
Speaker 1: afraid of her. There's another rumor that she ran off
Speaker 1: another girl that he was seeing, and that apparently it's
Speaker 1: just her and him now they've been seeing hot air ballooning?
Speaker 1: So is it romantic? Is it spiritual guidance? Is it even?
Speaker 1: Does she even really work for him? We don't know,
Speaker 1: but but we know that they are physically, they do
Speaker 1: know each other, and they do interact. We have seen
Speaker 1: them in photos together, both in public spaces, and it
Speaker 1: looks like on set in a makeup room. But we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out is she Cardinal Risha Lieu to
Speaker 1: his Louis fourteen exactly? But out there is she in
Speaker 1: his ear, the one pulling the strings behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and merely he is the vessel for her her aims?
Speaker 1: Is she even like it doesn't even have any like
Speaker 1: real functional experience representing she's literally air or air holiness
Speaker 1: or whatever U there were? Okay, so where did I
Speaker 1: put this article? I'm like you a tabby cat seven
Speaker 1: thousand tabs somewhere since that she has a pH d
Speaker 1: in not metaphysics but something. Hold on, I have it here,
Speaker 1: but that's not but that isn't entertainment business account Oh
Speaker 1: definitely not that. Definitely nothing that we can see. Also,
Speaker 1: her real name is Vaniola Salima Mohammed, okay, and she's
Speaker 1: Air Princess and Air Princess fifty. Here's a quote from
Speaker 1: her Instagram account. I'm just a spiritual gangster serving a
Speaker 1: life sentence in a human body. Well, it is funny.
Speaker 1: I mean when you think about the Hollywood system, when
Speaker 1: you when you go to l A and like it
Speaker 1: slowly starts to unfurl itself when you realize that like
Speaker 1: every quote unquote talent has like an Asian and a
Speaker 1: manager and a publicist and a lawyer, all of you know,
Speaker 1: on the on the on the gravy train. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: this idea that just clearing out the whole slate and
Speaker 1: putting everything in holiness is hands you can kind of
Speaker 1: program to stand some of the temptation. But I mean
Speaker 1: it's such a such a strange system to begin with.
Speaker 1: And I mean, didn't didn't didn't Johnny Depp? But isn't
Speaker 1: he in someone have litigation with his manager who ended
Speaker 1: up spending all of his money. I mean it's like
Speaker 1: it seems to me a lot of people end up
Speaker 1: getting sucked over by you know, seemingly trustworthy handlers or
Speaker 1: team members or whatever. So in a way, you may
Speaker 1: as well just jump in at the deep end with
Speaker 1: the spiritual gangster setting a life sentence and a human
Speaker 1: You're like, I heard Bill Murray doesn't have any reps
Speaker 1: and he handles all his ship by himself. You're like,
Speaker 1: I might as well. Look, I could do that with
Speaker 1: the help of air holiness, crystal guidance, and just putting
Speaker 1: in the chat that he says her on and Bio
Speaker 1: says that she has quote a B S, m s
Speaker 1: and pH d and holistic health parapsychic science from the
Speaker 1: American Institute of Holistic Theology, and she is skilled in
Speaker 1: wellness coaching, executive coaching, spiritual healing. These are all capitalized
Speaker 1: energy healing and building relationships, among other things. Okay, Daniel,
Speaker 1: please let us know what's going on. Yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me the sort of like fan reaction because we
Speaker 1: can't nail down specifically, and because it's his page six
Speaker 1: and we can only take it with so much seriousness.
Speaker 1: The conversation has sort of turned to who's this older
Speaker 1: woman taking over his life? Or is this his get
Speaker 1: out character coming back to haunt him, someone was like,
Speaker 1: flash camera in his eyes? Is there excessive? But I
Speaker 1: think we saw similar conversations around Aaron Taylor Johnson, who
Speaker 1: has a twenty four year age difference between him and
Speaker 1: his wife. They are still very much in love, they
Speaker 1: got kids together, they've been together for over a decade,
Speaker 1: you know. And I but also it's Hollywood, and we've
Speaker 1: seen multiple times grifters come in and sort of take
Speaker 1: over a person's life and not just steal money, but
Speaker 1: you know, derail the direction of their career. And Damn
Speaker 1: Clue is such a celebrated black actor. He's so extremely
Speaker 1: talented that I think it's kind of daunting for a
Speaker 1: lot of people to consider that perhaps like the best
Speaker 1: is over for Daniel if or if true, or he
Speaker 1: just has trash taste in picking a partner. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, but but it also sounds like
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where they're like, yo, he's caught
Speaker 1: up with I don't like her, and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: he fired me, and then you come back like we're
Speaker 1: really worried about him, and he might just be like, yo, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of into this freaky older lady who heals
Speaker 1: me with crystals and ship. That's kind of I'm still
Speaker 1: a good actor still, I'm not sucking up my career.
Speaker 1: I just this is who I rock with now, and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry except that, I don't know. It'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see once the Dope Press tour starts. How please
Speaker 1: out if she's around. I feel like that's usually the
Speaker 1: part where partners of this ILK get troublesome. It's like
Speaker 1: when they're in the room with the press and they're
Speaker 1: like talking over their partners. Yeah, when she was like
Speaker 1: in the street trying to defend him after the rush,
Speaker 1: like you don't even know the name of the person,
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, hilarious, hilarious stops like when he
Speaker 1: comes on like Daniels doing Pressed and he's like he's
Speaker 1: like wearing all these robes and ship and like flowy
Speaker 1: scarves and they're like, sir, He's like, please call me airness,
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's when maybe we can start wearing
Speaker 1: But yeah, I it's I'm I'm always curious. I always
Speaker 1: like seeing people's interesting career moves and relationships. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, what's what's your feeling on this? Do you
Speaker 1: think that this is a person who's grifting. Is Daniel
Speaker 1: just doing his thing and he's kind of making a
Speaker 1: weird decision and he likes this person and everything's all good,
Speaker 1: he says, trash taste and that's upsetting people, or you think,
Speaker 1: what do you think is from initial reaction was this
Speaker 1: is bad and Daniel get out. No, I'm intended. I'm
Speaker 1: a woo girl, and so it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: be like, she uses crystal, she's crazy. I have crystals.
Speaker 1: I've done some terror readings before. You know, I like
Speaker 1: the woo woo things. So I really don't really, so
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. What's been most interesting to
Speaker 1: me is her denial of it, of even working for him,
Speaker 1: right she I mean? I mean? And even further, she
Speaker 1: was like, people say, I work with Ja, that's wild.
Speaker 1: I would love to work with him, almost as if
Speaker 1: she doesn't know him. But again, we've seen pictures, but
Speaker 1: also pictures are faked so well today that you always
Speaker 1: have to take that with a grain of salt. Is
Speaker 1: it a deep fath right, because back he said, I've
Speaker 1: never seen this woman in my entire life. What are
Speaker 1: y'all talking about? But I guess it says something much
Speaker 1: larger about the way we view celebrities and that we
Speaker 1: really need them to be okay in order to support
Speaker 1: what's happen being like, in order to like invest in
Speaker 1: their career decisions, right, Like if you think Danny Clue
Speaker 1: has gone off the deep end with this woman who's
Speaker 1: scamming him, Like can you take his films seriously? And
Speaker 1: I think every day I understand more and more celebrities
Speaker 1: like desire to completely disconnect from their fan base because
Speaker 1: we're kind of involved at a level that doesn't allow
Speaker 1: them to move with any kind of comfort. Like if
Speaker 1: you make a mistake and I don't mean in the
Speaker 1: like cancel culture blah blah blah, ball should I don't
Speaker 1: think you're just scrutinized in general. Yeah, yeah, that this
Speaker 1: it's hard to just breathe and be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: want to try this thing. Is that is that gonna
Speaker 1: work for me? Or while my fans hate that I
Speaker 1: did that, have him now make a stupid false apology
Speaker 1: about something I was interested in, Like that's it's messy, man,
Speaker 1: And so I don't know. I hope he's all right.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not a scam. I like a lot
Speaker 1: of his movies, and I think I also think it's
Speaker 1: easier because Daniel Clue constantly plays characters that black culture
Speaker 1: criticizes in a very intense way. So like you're dating
Speaker 1: a white girl. Oh when he like fucked up, he
Speaker 1: betrayed his friend and black panther and then his wife
Speaker 1: had to come collect him with their pet at the end.
Speaker 1: Like he's constantly playing these characters where we're like, that's us,
Speaker 1: why would you do that? And so I think I
Speaker 1: kind of bleeds into with your life too a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of looky. I kind of want him to.
Speaker 1: I like the idea that air holiness, that there's something
Speaker 1: really weird going on, and maybe he's just also like, noah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really in this. I'm like, I'm done acting
Speaker 1: like I'm all about the air now air bending, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can see it. Well. Thank you so much, Joel
Speaker 1: and Oz for joining me today to talk just the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole spectrum of topics today on Monday, to start
Speaker 1: the week off. Oz, where can people find you and
Speaker 1: follow you? And is there any tweets that you've laughed
Speaker 1: at or just enjoyed in general? You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter Osalshin and my dear friend Cara, who I
Speaker 1: did to Sleep Bokers podcast with her. Her Twitter always
Speaker 1: keeps being very entertained, and one of her a as
Speaker 1: gems was about milk. You know you're old when somebody
Speaker 1: calls regular milk classic milk. Blat milk as we've gone
Speaker 1: from skim to Sawyer to almond and now out just
Speaker 1: a nice loss of classic milk? Classic? Oh man? What
Speaker 1: could be better? Fout out to classic milk? You know
Speaker 1: all about the classics? You know, Joel? How about you?
Speaker 1: Where you at, where they follow you? Where they here you?
Speaker 1: What's the tweets you like? Joel? Money? You can follow
Speaker 1: me all over the internet. Actual money gets j O
Speaker 1: E l O E m O N I Q you
Speaker 1: some class of tweets. Alan Macon the Genius tweeted yesterday
Speaker 1: I strongly opposed to don't say gable in Florida. I
Speaker 1: hope my friends and colleagues within the Disney family will
Speaker 1: join me and saying so publicly, calm collect your folks,
Speaker 1: Disney people all the time is now. You have to
Speaker 1: make change or children will die. Andrea J. Philips tweeted
Speaker 1: dropping my son off at high school this am and
Speaker 1: noticed every student was using both straps. That said, when
Speaker 1: I was in high school eighties, early nineties, everyone were
Speaker 1: their backpacks slung over one shoulder, and it's considered the
Speaker 1: height of nerdiness to use both straps. Please back me up,
Speaker 1: to which I say, ay, yes, I was there and
Speaker 1: I saw it, and that was real. You did not
Speaker 1: imagine it, Andrea, we were only using one strap. But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I really hope children continue to
Speaker 1: use both straps. You don't need back problems in your
Speaker 1: early twenties. It's stupid. Okay, your books are very heavy.
Speaker 1: Use both straps. Don't let people consider you a nerd.
Speaker 1: Live for ee children. You guys are doing so much
Speaker 1: better than we did. I'm so proud of you. I
Speaker 1: remember when people started, like I remember rollie bags starting
Speaker 1: to showing up like there at the end of my
Speaker 1: academia career, and I was like, you will get flom
Speaker 1: bade pulling up in here with that old grandma's grocery
Speaker 1: card of a backpack. Are you serious? Not a home
Speaker 1: on everybody walk with one droopy shoulder because you got
Speaker 1: seventy pounds of books on one party your body. Messenger
Speaker 1: bags came into fashion. When I hit high school, had
Speaker 1: one bagged. My mother should got me a nice let
Speaker 1: their one. It was pretty so much so much. It
Speaker 1: was not even distribution. Noope, did not help. Really really
Speaker 1: left me up, especially a kid who didn't go. I
Speaker 1: barely went to my locker because that would eat into
Speaker 1: my time during in between class like during nutrition, just
Speaker 1: sunk around my friends. So I carried all my books
Speaker 1: at once, and that ship was a nightmare. I strategically
Speaker 1: left my books in different classrooms because teachers liked me.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yo, man, can I just keep my
Speaker 1: books in here? And they'd be like, yeah, that's chill,
Speaker 1: thank you. Teachers be like, hey, let me get your book. Teach.
Speaker 1: They're like, that's the teachers that I'm like, just shut
Speaker 1: up your cool, right, not just oh man. Let's see
Speaker 1: some treets I like. First one is from Amber Nelson
Speaker 1: at Amber Smelson tweeted got invited to someone's place for
Speaker 1: dinner and they charged me for it. This is weird, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: that is weird. You do not get You do not
Speaker 1: invite someone to your home and then charge them. That
Speaker 1: goes against everything I know about the art of invitations
Speaker 1: and hospitality. I don't of the relationship. Would you bring
Speaker 1: it up if someone did that too, Like, would you say, hey,
Speaker 1: what are you fucking wild? What is this? Or would
Speaker 1: you just say I'm not talking to them forever? No,
Speaker 1: I'm a receipts person. Let me pull on my phone.
Speaker 1: Did they ask me to pay and I missed it?
Speaker 1: I got a d D D as possible? No, just a
Speaker 1: straight invite. What's going on? What happened here? Needing money?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? We gotta have a conversation about it
Speaker 1: because I'm not handing over money freely. I need When
Speaker 1: they say and then they hit you with this, well,
Speaker 1: I mean like honestly, like I mean like the alcohol
Speaker 1: was really expensive, and like the ingredients were like I
Speaker 1: spent like a hundred fifty bucks at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: So okay, cool, here's the bottle of wine I brought.
Speaker 1: Enjoy it also wasn't cheap because I'm not cheap and
Speaker 1: I'll be out. Actually, let me let me let me
Speaker 1: just tally up all the bottles I've brought, the bottles
Speaker 1: of wine I've brought to your house over the last year.
Speaker 1: So actually, you know what, right exactly exactly, get out
Speaker 1: of here, come on be more Hospitable, folks, uh, and
Speaker 1: then at Forever Wildon, at Forever while and underscore tooted
Speaker 1: introvers be like I know a spot and then go home.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's true. I do know a spot and it's
Speaker 1: my house and that place it fucking this, it goes off.
Speaker 1: So shout out to all my introverts out there. You
Speaker 1: can find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter and Instagram. Also,
Speaker 1: the other pod four twenty day Fiance was Sophia Alexandra.
Speaker 1: If you like ninety day Fiance and married the first
Speaker 1: sight of them trash reality shows, that's what That's where
Speaker 1: I blow my steam off. Okay watching those shows, so
Speaker 1: come hear me talk about those. You can find us
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. We've got a Facebook fan page, We've got
Speaker 1: a Westie, We've got daisy guys dot com. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure at least the probably we got the the U
Speaker 1: r L parked on. I don't know. Look, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it, but you go there. You can find all
Speaker 1: our episodes and our footnotes notes may you Joel, where
Speaker 1: we also post everything we talked about today as well
Speaker 1: as the song we ride out on, I want to
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Speaker 1: is slowly becoming one of my new favorite artists. Born
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Speaker 1: English parents Caribbean parents coming together just playing like it's
Speaker 1: like a fantastic singer songwriter, but also has like this
Speaker 1: really great knack for putting on like older sort of
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Speaker 1: of a older period. But he's so creative and really
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Speaker 1: It's really dope, has like a lot of nice little
Speaker 1: roads piano playing on it. But yeah, that's we're gonna
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