Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to twenty six,
Speaker 1: episode five of dir day lys Geist, a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into america share consciousness. It's Friday, March four.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien a K. So maybe I
Speaker 1: might not have to drink my pa now if Alma
Speaker 1: Crown is over, Alma Crown's over, Alma Crown's over. That
Speaker 1: was that was supposed to be All the Stars by
Speaker 1: Padrick Lamarn says, I got it, Okay, Hey now you're there. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. That was Curtsy at Gerald Bryce
Speaker 1: on Twitter. And I'm thrilled to be joined by my
Speaker 1: special guest co host, a producer behind the scenes on
Speaker 1: shows like Fake Doctor, Drill Friends, Welcome to our show.
Speaker 1: You've heard her on Pop Culture, Happy Hour, read her
Speaker 1: at Vulture, The a v Clode teamboat Pace, many more.
Speaker 1: She is the brilliant and talented Joel Money Marvel defender
Speaker 1: back in the House. Might go to some DC defending
Speaker 1: day as the Purple Don. Yes, that's good. Oh, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people have been talking shit about
Speaker 1: my my stance on Batman. Behind the scenes of this show.
Speaker 1: I thought that the Riddler played pranks on people, and
Speaker 1: then caught myself halfway through a sentence, and uh, and
Speaker 1: it got it got back to Joel. Joel was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta come on here. Tell Miles to
Speaker 1: take a day. Tell Miles to take a day. I
Speaker 1: need to talk to Jack about his Batman blasphemy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say We're gonna talk about it later. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited about this Batman. But before we get to any
Speaker 1: of that, Joel, we are thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 1: our third seat by very funny and talented podcaster, author,
Speaker 1: and TV personality. She's the author of the book Tropical
Speaker 1: Atti Are Encouraged and other phrases that Scare me and
Speaker 1: hosts the podcasts Alison Rosen is your new best friend Childish,
Speaker 1: which is a podcast for parents and people with parents
Speaker 1: that your co host with Greg That Simmons and Upworthy Weekly.
Speaker 1: Please welcome the hilarious, the brilliant Alison Roses. Hello, I always, always,
Speaker 1: always love joining you guys on this podcast. Is always
Speaker 1: the highlight of whatever week slash month that it is
Speaker 1: what I'm on here and now I'm about to embarrass
Speaker 1: myself because you guys very clearly laid out that jack
Speaker 1: You embarrassed yourself when you did this. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of nihilism is propelling me to say this,
Speaker 1: But the Riddler didn't play tricks on people? What no
Speaker 1: to solve riddle? He's like the He's like the Zodiac,
Speaker 1: but just like a little bit you know, funnier feel
Speaker 1: but that feels like pranks in the form of questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his whole existence as a prank on all of us.
Speaker 1: But did the Joker ever have like some clownish like
Speaker 1: you know, it's a townfrience of crime, like you gotta
Speaker 1: think about like Batman started in we really started in
Speaker 1: the twenties, but like hits the popular culture zeitgeist later
Speaker 1: in the sixties, and so in that area you have
Speaker 1: like a lot of goofy criminals running around, like you know,
Speaker 1: we smash them into a giant pie or like you know,
Speaker 1: Batman has bat repellent. But over the years they sort
Speaker 1: of evolve, you know, in the nineties you get a
Speaker 1: much darker Batman thinks of Batman nine, and so some
Speaker 1: of these villains become you know, still sometimes comic relief,
Speaker 1: but more um sinister, you know, until eventually we get
Speaker 1: to Heath Ledgers Joker and this is sort of our
Speaker 1: first sinister look at a Riddler character. And I'm really
Speaker 1: excited about this movie. Yeah I love a good Dano
Speaker 1: and hell yeah, I like the tone that the movie
Speaker 1: seems to have in the trailer and the it's way
Speaker 1: but there are colors. It's not just blue thrilling. I'm
Speaker 1: personally very excited about Colin Farrell at one of my
Speaker 1: I think he's like, for whatever reason, he just seems
Speaker 1: to be cursed to be in a lot of bad ship.
Speaker 1: But I think he's a very good actor, and I'm
Speaker 1: excited who's got a career. And it's really a coin
Speaker 1: to like a great movie or why is you? Why
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? So the villains will
Speaker 1: not be smashing people into pies, and this one probably not,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe as a finale it'll be very darkly
Speaker 1: like you know, uh sweet odd version of people into
Speaker 1: a pie. I will say that the touch points that
Speaker 1: people are using, they're saying it has more in common
Speaker 1: with Zodiac and Seven than other superhero movies. And what
Speaker 1: was John Doe from seven? But a but a real prankster.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, just a real goof right,
Speaker 1: who asked people? Yeah, he's just asking questions here, right,
Speaker 1: like like like an installment of Jackass, if you will, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very very dark alternate time. Anyways, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do a segment a little later on
Speaker 1: in the show that I just invented this morning called
Speaker 1: What's making You Happy? Not by any other podcast, not
Speaker 1: a show that Joel regularly appears on called if Anything.
Speaker 1: They stole it from me. You invented happiness right before.
Speaker 1: People were searching for a way to describe that feeling.
Speaker 1: They were like, well, what is it? Frivolity? Is it? Like?
Speaker 1: It's the opposite of sad? Sometimes it involves smiling. I
Speaker 1: just gotta back to the drawing board. What is this sensation?
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't realize, like I asked the question,
Speaker 1: did the joker ever have any goofy things? I was
Speaker 1: raised on. Adam west Batman was like what, And even
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson Batman like had the like, didn't you have
Speaker 1: a flower that squared something? I've been out of the
Speaker 1: out of practice for far too long. When it comes
Speaker 1: to that. The whole dancing to prince in an art
Speaker 1: gallery like that was sinister. Takes acid to the face
Speaker 1: was a real fear, or maybe is still that's of
Speaker 1: all the horrendous things that can happen to you, and
Speaker 1: I think I speak for most human beings with flesh
Speaker 1: on their body, that's a real, dark feared. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys remember, I feel like maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit older. There was this very bad but compelling
Speaker 1: show called Divorce Court on televison when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: It was but it was fake cases, right, so unlike
Speaker 1: People's Court with Wapner, which were actual real cases, Divorce
Speaker 1: Court was scripted but you couldn't necessarily tell what I
Speaker 1: just found out Cheaters was not real and now I
Speaker 1: have to learn the divorce. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If
Speaker 1: we we could, my sire ruined. There was so there
Speaker 1: was someone on the stand who or no, maybe I
Speaker 1: can't remember which direction the vial of acid flew, whether
Speaker 1: it was thrown from the stand into like a Lloyd.
Speaker 1: I think it was thrown towards the person's like on
Speaker 1: the witness stand. But anyway, during testimony, someone got a
Speaker 1: vial of acid thrown at his or her face, and
Speaker 1: it was very intense fake. That's more proof that it
Speaker 1: was fake. But that happened during a case on divorce court.
Speaker 1: It haunted me almost as much as watching Fantasy Island.
Speaker 1: I get it. Well, we're gonna talk about some other
Speaker 1: some things happening in the court of public opinion with
Speaker 1: the divorce a little bit later on. We're also going
Speaker 1: to talk about so there's some developments in the January
Speaker 1: sixth case or sort of developments just they it seems
Speaker 1: like they think they can refer Trump for a crime
Speaker 1: which fingers crossed. This is just is feeling more and
Speaker 1: more like it might be the best chance we have
Speaker 1: at keeping him out of office. In so I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about briefly the two fronts of the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: You know, Russia is because they don't care about human
Speaker 1: life or you know, they're they're just slowly bombing everything
Speaker 1: in their path moving forward. It seems like military people
Speaker 1: are like it's a matter of when not if, Like
Speaker 1: they're just gonna do what they want because they are
Speaker 1: bombing civilians, and civilians are gonna get the funk out
Speaker 1: of the way. But then you know, we're hearing more
Speaker 1: and more about the act of the sanctions on Russia,
Speaker 1: the kind of next level economic warfare that's been waged
Speaker 1: on Russia, which sucks for Russians, is my read on
Speaker 1: the situation on the ground there. People are saying the
Speaker 1: last couple of days it has turned to like everybody
Speaker 1: just waiting in lines at a t m S trying
Speaker 1: to get money out and flee the country, and then
Speaker 1: not being allowed to flee the country, and so all
Speaker 1: bad things over there. So we're gonna talk about all
Speaker 1: that upsetting ship, and then we're gonna talk about some
Speaker 1: stuff that makes is making us happy. All of that
Speaker 1: plenty more. But first, Allison, we do like to ask
Speaker 1: our guest, what is something from your search history. I
Speaker 1: recently searched watermelon sheets because I have two little boys.
Speaker 1: I have a five year old and a three year old,
Speaker 1: and we recently bought them bunk beds, sort of out
Speaker 1: of a weird desperation, because my five year old recently
Speaker 1: decided he doesn't want us sleep in his room anymore.
Speaker 1: He's over his room. I think something spooked him. We
Speaker 1: haven't I know a lot of parents to deal with
Speaker 1: their kids wanting to sleep in their bed a lot,
Speaker 1: and that becomes a whole thing. We really haven't dealt
Speaker 1: with that except lately that's been happening. So we've been
Speaker 1: thinking that if the two of them were sleeping in
Speaker 1: the same room, they would both enjoy that and maybe
Speaker 1: that would like be a solution to this. So when
Speaker 1: I went ahead bought the bunk beds and so Elliot,
Speaker 1: my five year old announced that he wants watermelon sheets,
Speaker 1: and he thinks Owen should have dinosaur sheets, and if
Speaker 1: they don't have dinosaur sheets, then Owen should have backyard
Speaker 1: again sheets. I don't know if you guys are familiar
Speaker 1: with backyard Agans. It's actually really good. Against woman is
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. He has a little unique way stuffed
Speaker 1: animal and a little tyrone stuffed animal. Uh, it's all
Speaker 1: he wants to watch. And he calls it back at
Speaker 1: the Guardigans. Uh, it's all he He went from watching
Speaker 1: a bunch of shows too. It's seven back at the Guardigans.
Speaker 1: He's obsessed with it. He loves it so much. I
Speaker 1: like the music too, So it's actually works out pretty well.
Speaker 1: But anyway, gotten into watching it, but the that is
Speaker 1: on some very early mixes that we're in heavy rotation
Speaker 1: and my yeah, household, and those are the ones that
Speaker 1: I actually miss. It's preferable there's some music that they
Speaker 1: can look into, like Barney, where you just want to
Speaker 1: like jump out of window. So thankfully this is pretty good. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I was trying to find watermelon sheets. I found some
Speaker 1: watermelon sheets where the watermelon they're wearing so it looks
Speaker 1: like it's like the opening of Saved by the Bell,
Speaker 1: like threw up on a bedspread. So it's watermelons wearing sunglasses.
Speaker 1: I told l A about this. He seemed excited. He
Speaker 1: looked at it, and this is not what he was imagining.
Speaker 1: He told me. He imagined round watermelons wearing sunglass it
Speaker 1: and the watermelons would have arms and they were would
Speaker 1: be and this is a visual, but they would be
Speaker 1: like going like this, like pointing the sunglasses to the
Speaker 1: drawing board. So I've just been looking for a variety
Speaker 1: of sheets with watermelons on them. Elliott has a vision
Speaker 1: and I love it. Yeah, yeah, I know our listeners somewhere,
Speaker 1: someone knows where the helly sheets are, right to give
Speaker 1: them to Elliott s Ap tweet at Alison Rosen, can
Speaker 1: we do the California raise him, but just replace it
Speaker 1: with a watermelon because that seems like what we're looking for. Yes,
Speaker 1: that would not how has a better fruit and not
Speaker 1: gone with that same strategy and just be like, what
Speaker 1: if her fruit was really cool? Like that played jazz sex? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever had Tim cal Pakis on
Speaker 1: the show? Do you know who that is? I know
Speaker 1: who it is? Yeah, And I am revealing a lot
Speaker 1: about how many episodes we've done, how broken my brain
Speaker 1: is that I don't know if we've had him on
Speaker 1: or not. Um, I have I have people like that too,
Speaker 1: where I'm like that sounds familiar and then I'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh yes, and I talked to them in depth for
Speaker 1: an hour and a half ahead the show. But anyway,
Speaker 1: his wife is also a podcaster and refers to herself
Speaker 1: as a fruit fluencer, And I feel like she if
Speaker 1: if no one gets in contact having found these sheets,
Speaker 1: she might be a source I could go to because
Speaker 1: she is a fruit fluencer, so she might know, you know.
Speaker 1: But it is a question when you're five year old
Speaker 1: has a very specific vision, how far do you go
Speaker 1: trying to find it because I could also like just
Speaker 1: get him some sheets. Yeah, yeah, I'd be like bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, we spilled some watermelon juice on there.
Speaker 1: But then you get to be the hero when you
Speaker 1: come home and you're like, I discovered them, Like my
Speaker 1: mom used to so my costumes when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and so she can make me like anything I wanted
Speaker 1: to be, and it was way cooler than whatever, like
Speaker 1: crap the storehead and it was awesome. But now as
Speaker 1: an adult, I'm like, well, I've really worked her. Why
Speaker 1: she spent Instead, I got like a very elaborate little
Speaker 1: red riding hood with like islet lace around the hood,
Speaker 1: and I wore that thing out. Yeah, he's already decided.
Speaker 1: So he's very into Adam's family. He's he's despite the
Speaker 1: brightness of the sheets that he wants, he's like a
Speaker 1: tiny goth child. So he already decided he wants to
Speaker 1: be cousin It for Halloween, and he's working with Grandma
Speaker 1: and she's already gotten him the cousin It costume that
Speaker 1: he wants. I mean we're in March now and he's
Speaker 1: already like every day talking to her about his cousin
Speaker 1: It cost him. So, oh my god, that's preshure. You
Speaker 1: have the coolest five year old ever. That is so man,
Speaker 1: that's dope. Busily taking notes over here, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: report to my five year old when he hits home,
Speaker 1: what do you need to work on? What kind of
Speaker 1: sheets does he have? He has trained sheets. He's he's
Speaker 1: still like he's not he's very basic, but he's he's
Speaker 1: like a train obsessive, like from three through about five
Speaker 1: months ago, and the train sheets are mostly like just
Speaker 1: coasting on the inertia of this past obsession. Owen is
Speaker 1: also very into trains, specifically Thomas and Percy. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: favorite thing to do would be watch like out of
Speaker 1: context shots of real trains just driving across the countryside
Speaker 1: over yeah, just not NonStop to the point that we
Speaker 1: had to like outlaw just it's basically trained porn, like
Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's like out of context shots
Speaker 1: of trains moving and yet it's not running a train. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not that. I also haven't watched all of them.
Speaker 1: What is what something you think is overrated? Oh okay, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've done this one already on
Speaker 1: the show. I worried that I have because this is
Speaker 1: how intensely and passionately I feel it's overrated, and yet
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't think I have up. I think,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to sound like Garfield, but I think
Speaker 1: mornings are overrated. And also I think getting into the
Speaker 1: shower immediately upon waking, which I know some people swear by,
Speaker 1: and I know that my not working early in the
Speaker 1: morning privilege is showing. I just especially lately, I feel
Speaker 1: like getting in the shower right away in the morning.
Speaker 1: It's so violent, it's so violently wet. I have to
Speaker 1: get up, I have to like shuffle around, I have
Speaker 1: to drink coffee. I have to resent the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm awake because I do have to get up early
Speaker 1: because of my kids. But I'm like, I'm not committing
Speaker 1: to being awake. I am squinty, my feet are just
Speaker 1: like touching the I'm just I'm sliding around, I'm drinking coffee,
Speaker 1: I'm grunting, I'm moaning. I'm resisting it. And I know
Speaker 1: that more there's something so virtuous about mornings, but I
Speaker 1: don't think there should be. I don't get what morning
Speaker 1: is really any better than late at night. So I
Speaker 1: feel that mornings and earliness and all of that is overrated. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I am with you on the virtuous aspect of things,
Speaker 1: like I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.
Speaker 1: And I love and understand people who are like, no,
Speaker 1: ninetime is great. Nine time is great because no one
Speaker 1: is effing bothering you. Right the piece of trying to
Speaker 1: get things done at night, I used to be the
Speaker 1: night person. Like I would get off work at like
Speaker 1: nine and then stay up to like four in the
Speaker 1: morning doing like my school work. And that was very
Speaker 1: helpful because again, nobody wants anything, so that when I
Speaker 1: started the day, everybody has what they need that they
Speaker 1: asked for yesterday. Now you have it now, please don't
Speaker 1: bother me. We're at peace. And then I'll get back
Speaker 1: to you late afternoon. And that's a good system to
Speaker 1: work on, just as far as getting things done and
Speaker 1: feeling organized. But the mornings, Okay, shower, yes, I understand,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna shower at night and be cleaned in
Speaker 1: the morning, and that's fine, but like it's just full
Speaker 1: of possibilities. Anything can happen. It's morning, it's so early
Speaker 1: like the nighttime you're only like, oh my god, here
Speaker 1: comes the sun. It's coming. Hurry moved quickly because that's
Speaker 1: coming up and we can't deal and then there's gonna
Speaker 1: be people, and that's very anxiety inducing. But in the morning, oh,
Speaker 1: the whole days ahead. I love getting my plan around
Speaker 1: and be like, what do I need to do today.
Speaker 1: I just go through my little checklist and then I
Speaker 1: open my emails and I work on the west coast
Speaker 1: of the East coast, people have already like dropped all
Speaker 1: their requests, and I just find it very peaceful, especially
Speaker 1: since I started meditating in the morning. Now it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna breathe into this morning and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really great. And then by like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, eleven thirty, the glamor of that has worn off.
Speaker 1: But you did have a couple of very precious hours
Speaker 1: where you were like, man, I can do anything today.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie to you. But Alison,
Speaker 1: to me, that sounds like a real virtuous as morning
Speaker 1: that Joel is talking about. Oh yeah, that's real morning
Speaker 1: person talk right there. That was and the towel was
Speaker 1: that by eleven thirty, the glamour wore off, because really
Speaker 1: what she was saying is by virtue wore off, right.
Speaker 1: I that's like I was that kid in school who
Speaker 1: they were like. It was like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys have I feel like it was called like
Speaker 1: s R A reading or something. It was like this
Speaker 1: thing that we were all doing together, but it was
Speaker 1: somehow outside of the curriculum where we were all reading books,
Speaker 1: and it was somehow a competition. And as long as
Speaker 1: I was ahead of everyone, I was super into it.
Speaker 1: But once I fell behind, I was like fuck this.
Speaker 1: And that's how I am with mornings. Like if I
Speaker 1: can wake up on some weird morning really early and
Speaker 1: I get all my ship done, then I'm into it.
Speaker 1: But once it's just regular eleven thirty. Now now I'm
Speaker 1: just tired. It's only fine when it's a competition. There
Speaker 1: there are just back to the like bathing first thing,
Speaker 1: Like there are certain things that having kids has made
Speaker 1: me like appreciate with a fresh brain, Like bubbles are
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It turns up like trains, construction sites, They're
Speaker 1: actually cooler than I was giving them credit for it
Speaker 1: in my early thirties, the getting into and out of
Speaker 1: a bathing apparatus and like changing your body temperature and
Speaker 1: like being dry than like completely soaked then like not
Speaker 1: soaked anymore. Is it's a big deal. We like, we
Speaker 1: we get used to it, but that that is like
Speaker 1: a fight every single night with my kids, and I
Speaker 1: can't tell them, like, no, it's gonna be fine this time.
Speaker 1: When you get out, it won't be absolutely freezing and
Speaker 1: you won't be like kind of you know, twitching all
Speaker 1: around because you're cold, and then like slipping on the
Speaker 1: ground and uh, it sucks. Get the floors in the bathroom, O,
Speaker 1: big giant fluffy towels you're going to go? I get
Speaker 1: them ready for the cold war world? Cold bathroom floors.
Speaker 1: What is something else and you think is underrated? I
Speaker 1: think I'm already worried that I'm not going to articulate
Speaker 1: this as well as I'm imagining it in my head.
Speaker 1: But I think that kindness and stating something in a kind,
Speaker 1: gentle direct way is underrating. I feel like, and this
Speaker 1: might be a social media thing, but I feel like
Speaker 1: there's this premium placed on boundaries right now, which I
Speaker 1: agree with, Like it's really good to have healthy boundaries.
Speaker 1: That is something I struggle with and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of just to make a gross generalization, a lot
Speaker 1: of women, for sure struggle with boundaries. But I think
Speaker 1: that there's such a premium place on boundaries that, at
Speaker 1: least in social media, the way that it's discussed, it's like,
Speaker 1: here's what actual boundaries look like, and then they'll list
Speaker 1: these boundaries that to me, it comes off so harsh,
Speaker 1: And I actually made note of them, like, you don't
Speaker 1: get to tell me how I feel. That wasn't funny,
Speaker 1: it was offensive. If I want your advice, I'll ask
Speaker 1: you don't get to comment on what I eat. All
Speaker 1: of which I agree with the sentiment of them, but
Speaker 1: I do. And if you're dealing with an asshole, fine,
Speaker 1: you know that's great, say something that that's that direct.
Speaker 1: I just think with each of them, there is a
Speaker 1: way to say it that is a little bit gentler.
Speaker 1: I think that in real life, most people aren't trying
Speaker 1: to be awful. Most we could give people the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. Most people are just kind of bumbling
Speaker 1: about and they don't really mean to do so much harm.
Speaker 1: So I feel like in the service of self care,
Speaker 1: sometimes we're actually being pretty mean to people or so
Speaker 1: I think what we might be losing speaking in I say, yes,
Speaker 1: let's speak in a direct manner, but let's also try
Speaker 1: to be kind. Let's not Yeah, but but we can't
Speaker 1: throw out the direct part, like we shouldn't go so
Speaker 1: far to be kind that we're not saying what we mean,
Speaker 1: because I know that I can definitely do that. I can,
Speaker 1: like just it's a fine line. Yeah, indeed, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for like, how am I
Speaker 1: communicating my needs to this person? Right? Am I communicating
Speaker 1: in a way that they feel they can come back
Speaker 1: to me again and like have and like they'll this conversation?
Speaker 1: Or am I shutting a door? Sometimes I mean to
Speaker 1: shut that door? Um, not always, you know. Sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. For the most part. I think
Speaker 1: everyone's just doing their best and trying to be helpful
Speaker 1: and supportive and and get through their day. And there's
Speaker 1: definitely ways we can have conversations. But yeah, directness is
Speaker 1: a challenge, right. I'm bad with boundaries. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that I find now that I have discovered
Speaker 1: boundaries or a thing, and that I need to communicate
Speaker 1: them to other people, my own boundaries to other people
Speaker 1: as someone who is just learning how to do that,
Speaker 1: I will do a bad job of it. Get let
Speaker 1: the like you know, idea of like I gotta set
Speaker 1: this bunder build up inside, and then have a tendency
Speaker 1: to do just the worst job of communicating and and
Speaker 1: then like as you get better, as I've gotten slightly
Speaker 1: better at doing it. It's I've found that like I
Speaker 1: think I had in my mind like boundary as like
Speaker 1: a single, a singular like you just stepped on the line, dude,
Speaker 1: and now you're fucked. And it's more like being good
Speaker 1: at communicating it like in a lot of ways over overtime,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of work, but I think it's
Speaker 1: something you can practice and get better at, right and
Speaker 1: and maybe for people who have trouble communicating them that
Speaker 1: sort of over correction is necessary at the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think kindness kind of being like kind gentle boundary
Speaker 1: setting is for people who are good at setting boundaries,
Speaker 1: and it's something to aspire to. But definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: set the boundary instead of not. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: say I think that in a way I might be
Speaker 1: directing this more at social media than at real life
Speaker 1: because it's these TikTok's and these you know things on
Speaker 1: Instagram that I find myself looking at where I get
Speaker 1: frustrated because it's like, you know, just tons of things
Speaker 1: online where it's like, here's what actual boundaries look like,
Speaker 1: and I read it and it just it's like this
Speaker 1: comes is coming off so unnecessarily harsh to me. And
Speaker 1: again that might be a meet thing. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's an every everyone thing. But all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about the news. Who and we're back, and yeah,
Speaker 1: during the break, we were just talking about how much
Speaker 1: we love the news so good. It's only filled with
Speaker 1: nice things and it's uplifting really because we hope for
Speaker 1: the future. Soft The January six Commission, in trying to
Speaker 1: get a look at like thousands of pages of emails
Speaker 1: between Trump and one of his advisors, did kind of
Speaker 1: indicate that they think they will have an argument for
Speaker 1: criminal charges against Trump. And you know, this is being
Speaker 1: treated as a big deal. I like, it could be
Speaker 1: a very big deal if they can like make charges stick.
Speaker 1: I do always want to say, having like gotten swept
Speaker 1: up in the Russia stuff in the in the early
Speaker 1: days of the Trumble administration, Like we're the still very
Speaker 1: early stages and we're only hearing from the people building
Speaker 1: the case and not from the like defense attorneys explaining
Speaker 1: why the case is going to be hard to make
Speaker 1: and which is what got in trouble there is like
Speaker 1: you just hear like people being like, well, it could
Speaker 1: be this, and then it gets this momentum that said
Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation of eight thing we all know Trump
Speaker 1: was doing because he was doing it publicly, trying to
Speaker 1: stop the peaceful transfer of power, with occasional details facts
Speaker 1: flipping out. I feel like it it is lining up
Speaker 1: to be probably the biggest thing standing in the way
Speaker 1: of a Trump nomination or election because what he did
Speaker 1: was illegal, Like the attempt was to overturn the results
Speaker 1: of an election and prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
Speaker 1: Like we heard the cause with the Georgia election official
Speaker 1: where he's asking them to like find votes for him,
Speaker 1: like fucking boss tweet. So I don't know, like whatever
Speaker 1: the emails reveal, it just feels like as the way
Speaker 1: the timeline shaping up and the pace of this, it's
Speaker 1: at least a major liability for his campaign and for
Speaker 1: the Republican Party to be dealing with. But are you
Speaker 1: thinking it's gonna sway opinion about him or are you
Speaker 1: thinking logistically it's going to get in the way if
Speaker 1: he is put away because my feeling well, first of all,
Speaker 1: let me say I have now come back to a
Speaker 1: place that didn't bring me happiness because I wasn't even
Speaker 1: and I don't know where I guess I have my
Speaker 1: head in the sand. I wasn't even thinking that he was,
Speaker 1: that he was like a real potential shoeing to be
Speaker 1: back in office until I came on this very show
Speaker 1: and you, Jack and Miles were the ones who are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we think it's gonna happen, And I said, no, I
Speaker 1: have been trying to ignore the fact that my because
Speaker 1: my husband is like a real uh doomsday profit about
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff too, and I just try to
Speaker 1: not pay attention to it. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: now there's too many voices saying it. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: feel like the people that want him re elected, nothing
Speaker 1: is going to stop them from wanting him re elected.
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, they love the fact
Speaker 1: that he doesn't follow the rules, that he's a real
Speaker 1: shitty guy. That he'll do whatever it takes. So I
Speaker 1: just don't think even irrevocable proof that he has broken
Speaker 1: the law, they're fine with that. They love that, you know,
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: But logistically, if he you know, if he is unable
Speaker 1: to be on the ticket because of convictions against him
Speaker 1: and stuff, that could be a good Yeah, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: Like I I don't think like and the the other
Speaker 1: thing that is like kind of cresting at this moment.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the January six investigation is cresting necessarily,
Speaker 1: but like it does feel like people are kind of
Speaker 1: having second thoughts on the whole authoritarianism thing that everybody
Speaker 1: seems so hot on during Trump's administration, on on that
Speaker 1: side of the political spectrum, and like Putin and now
Speaker 1: it's like you know, China and India, it's like that,
Speaker 1: it's basically like dividing the world on on a axis
Speaker 1: of like authoritarianism versus not. And you know, Trump still,
Speaker 1: even though he has said a couple of critical things
Speaker 1: about the invasion of Ukraine, it still feels like he,
Speaker 1: you know, his record kind of speaks for itself on
Speaker 1: that one. So I can also see that kind of
Speaker 1: coming into play on the public opinion side. But that said,
Speaker 1: I I don't doubt that there's a massive kind of
Speaker 1: under current of authoritarianism that is still there that the
Speaker 1: mainstream media is still unable to detect through polling, and
Speaker 1: that will get him a shocking number of votes. I
Speaker 1: want to be hopeful, but it just sort of like
Speaker 1: you when you were talking about the you know, original
Speaker 1: Russia stuff. It just I feel like Charlie Brown with
Speaker 1: the football, Like I just feel like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do it again. I'm not going to get my
Speaker 1: hopes up again about any of this shaking out the
Speaker 1: way it feels like it should. Yeah, depending on how
Speaker 1: far they get into actually prosecuting him. I wonder how
Speaker 1: long till he flees to Russia. I mean there's something
Speaker 1: we know that like Trump is a coward, He's not.
Speaker 1: He's not marking with his people. He's not going to jail.
Speaker 1: So I think that'll be interesting to see a former
Speaker 1: president on the lamb from the US government. Could be exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the reality show. I feel like he would think he's
Speaker 1: above it because he has been to this point, Like
Speaker 1: he would think he's above it. Until he is handcuffed
Speaker 1: and in a prison though, But I also feel like
Speaker 1: he probably is above it because of just how America operates,
Speaker 1: and he's oligarc and used to be president. He probably
Speaker 1: can pull a lot of strings to protect him. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if it will be enough to make
Speaker 1: it so that he is still a likely presidential Canada.
Speaker 1: But who the fun knows. I've been surprised so many times.
Speaker 1: I've also heard people talking about, like how the Russia
Speaker 1: invading after Everyone's like, but it doesn't make sense that
Speaker 1: they would invade, Like you can't like no way they
Speaker 1: would like that. It kind of echoes or like rhymes
Speaker 1: with the election and just this world where like the
Speaker 1: wildest storyline like narrative, that direction that things can go
Speaker 1: is what happens because I don't know, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: realtory visit at that time. And then like we were
Speaker 1: watching Cay and Peel the other day and there it's
Speaker 1: like they do a bit where it's like Hillary talking
Speaker 1: to Obama and they're like salty with each other for
Speaker 1: you know, Obama basically quote stealing Hillary's time in the
Speaker 1: office and now she's like it now it's my turn
Speaker 1: and it was like there was no thought that Trump
Speaker 1: could win at all. And it is sort of weird
Speaker 1: to see people sort of still have that mindset of like, oh,
Speaker 1: but definitely not again now because we've learned our lesson.
Speaker 1: It's like it has a lesson been learned? Or did
Speaker 1: a couple of people go to jail for a few
Speaker 1: months for trying to overthrow the government? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not calling that lesson learned. Yeah, no, definitely not all right,
Speaker 1: and then just kind of the update and this is
Speaker 1: kind of all over the place, but just to acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: Like the thing that people seem to be saying about
Speaker 1: Russia's invasion of Ukraine is that like militarily, like it's
Speaker 1: going badly for them, but it's also like they don't
Speaker 1: give a funk. They're just slowly rolling forward doing war
Speaker 1: crimes to get everybody out of the way by like
Speaker 1: bombing civilian targets, and that has been their strategy in
Speaker 1: the past, and it's just a matter of time before
Speaker 1: they take over the entire country. So militarily that's it's bleak.
Speaker 1: Over one million people have fled Ukraine like two which
Speaker 1: that's a huge human rights travesty. There's also we're hearing
Speaker 1: about like this being a two front war and then
Speaker 1: the economic sanctions being sort of the most drastic and
Speaker 1: impactful that we've ever seen in the modern world, where
Speaker 1: they basically just like turned the entire economy off, like
Speaker 1: Western powers to to to a certain degree. Their stock
Speaker 1: market still hasn't opened up. They're like people have limits
Speaker 1: on the amount of money they can get out. People
Speaker 1: are fleeing and being stopped at the border, and there's
Speaker 1: like reporting I'll just read from I think it was
Speaker 1: an AP journalist was saying that, like, yeah, so life
Speaker 1: in Russia is deteriorating extremely rapidly. So many of my
Speaker 1: friends are packing up and leaving the country. Their cards
Speaker 1: are blocking huge lines for a t M S, rumors
Speaker 1: that borders will close soon. What have we done? How
Speaker 1: did we not stop him earlier? So it it seems like, yeah,
Speaker 1: from from inside the country, another quota economy is going
Speaker 1: to hell. So it does seem like it's you know,
Speaker 1: we we already spoke about the U. S u. S.
Speaker 1: Economic sanctions in countries like Afghanistan that are absolutely you know,
Speaker 1: devastating and causing loss of human life. But this is
Speaker 1: sort of seeing that sort of sped up and made
Speaker 1: even more dramatic by just having the coordination of everybody
Speaker 1: in the world. So it's and I think some people
Speaker 1: are looking at this and being like this, you know,
Speaker 1: this is very drastic and concerned about like how Putin responds,
Speaker 1: which I feel like is the thing that is out there.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we haven't really talked much about
Speaker 1: on the show, but it is does seem to be
Speaker 1: at the center of like the zeitgeist and how people
Speaker 1: are thinking about the world right now. It's just really
Speaker 1: awful that the people are caught in the middle because,
Speaker 1: as you've pointed out, he doesn't care about the people.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about his people, So it's not what
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the desired effect, right, It's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a larger there's a long history of
Speaker 1: Putin and Russia historically being much more willing to let
Speaker 1: their people die and suffer in order to accomplish their
Speaker 1: overall objectives. Right, that's the military That seems to be
Speaker 1: their military strategy this time and always has been. But
Speaker 1: let me rephrase, I don't mean to say he doesn't
Speaker 1: care about his people, but but maybe he doesn't what
Speaker 1: I mean to say, is the cost of humans suffering.
Speaker 1: I don't feel is top of mind for him. He's
Speaker 1: made peace with that. Yeah, No, I think you're absolutely right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, he's not concerned with other people
Speaker 1: or I mean, because otherwise, why would you just work
Speaker 1: into Ukraine. I also think that like revolution, as we
Speaker 1: understand it is so different with a nuclear option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know right. I mean it's one thing for you know,
Speaker 1: um an all powerful ruler to move against the best
Speaker 1: needs of his people and and kind of go on
Speaker 1: a conquering spree. I mean, history has thousands of those,
Speaker 1: and we've seen sort of how we deal with that.
Speaker 1: Either a bunch of folks come together and tackle it,
Speaker 1: or the people bring out the guillotines. It's an entirely
Speaker 1: different thing when he's got power to push a button
Speaker 1: and technically no one can object to that on his side.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's so much to think about. I've
Speaker 1: caught myself having like the doomsday scenario, I mean, particularly
Speaker 1: living in like the economic heartbeat of America. It's not
Speaker 1: a great vibe doomsday scenario being World War three, like
Speaker 1: we all vaporize. Yeah, I mean just in the nuclear
Speaker 1: option period, Like, I mean, yes, it's one thing to
Speaker 1: like if we were to enter a technical like world
Speaker 1: war where we have a battles being fought across different countries, like,
Speaker 1: that's awful and the death tolls of those are just
Speaker 1: tremendous and unthinkable. But the nuclear option, I think just
Speaker 1: because it has such enduring effects on wherever that ship
Speaker 1: lands is. I mean, it's catastrophic, it's alter it literally
Speaker 1: scars and alters a place for infinity. It's truly a
Speaker 1: horrifying thought that we have someone who might not be
Speaker 1: in full capacity of their brain, who is angry, who
Speaker 1: is already making these what people thought would be impossible choices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that he that he can at any time just aside, Well,
Speaker 1: if you guys, then I'm just going to take out
Speaker 1: a city. Yeah. Should we try to set some boundaries
Speaker 1: with him? This is what happens. Yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: happens when you don't set boundaries. What do you guys
Speaker 1: think is his goal? That's something that Daniel, my husband,
Speaker 1: and I have talked about, like does he want the
Speaker 1: old borders or is does he want to you know,
Speaker 1: annex and accumulate and take over as much as he can.
Speaker 1: Does he want to take over the world, And I
Speaker 1: think it's first restore Russia to previous glory that he
Speaker 1: believes it once held as from that includes lands and
Speaker 1: its finances, that includes global power, and then I think
Speaker 1: at once, if he were to ever achieve just that goal,
Speaker 1: then yeah, I don't think there's any end to his
Speaker 1: wanton desire to rule. And I think, you know, being
Speaker 1: a toxic man finds the country. I really think that
Speaker 1: his idea is just like, I deserve to rule this sin,
Speaker 1: so I'll take it by force. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he has more in common with Trump than we like
Speaker 1: to imagine in terms of like his motivations. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've watched the videos where he goes and
Speaker 1: like plays hockey against professional hockey players and like they're
Speaker 1: all like pretending to not be able to stop him
Speaker 1: because he's like so good at seven year old man
Speaker 1: against the nineteen year old They're like, oh, sir, you're
Speaker 1: so strong. Yeah. I think I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like you know, individual ship tied in. I also
Speaker 1: don't want to make it seem like he is completely
Speaker 1: failing at his initial like crazy psychopathic mission, because like
Speaker 1: as the producer, Justin just pointed out in the In
Speaker 1: the um christ As super producer Justin just pointed on
Speaker 1: the chat, most Russians still believe it's you know, the
Speaker 1: US and NATO they're causing this, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: the I think in some ways a lot there's a
Speaker 1: lot of articles coming out today being like China's really
Speaker 1: regret and becoming like friends with Putin. But I think
Speaker 1: this also like they've also had to like you know,
Speaker 1: abstain from votes condemning it. And it does from a
Speaker 1: military standpoint, like create this alliance of China, Russia, India
Speaker 1: that at least, you know, starts to put like move
Speaker 1: things in a direction that is pretty terrifying and probably
Speaker 1: good for Russia in the long term. Wait, most Russians, okay,
Speaker 1: I haven't read this article. Most Russians believe it's the
Speaker 1: US is fault. Still, according to New York Times, most
Speaker 1: Russians believe it's our fault that the there's a war
Speaker 1: with Ukraine, or they believe the sanctions are our fault.
Speaker 1: I think if there's a war, the war is caused
Speaker 1: by the US, like trying to put Ukraine in NATO
Speaker 1: or bring Ukraine into NATO, which is seen as like
Speaker 1: a military like area front to Russia, um, which you know,
Speaker 1: like that's there's definitely which doesn't even that the fact
Speaker 1: that they would then invade Ukraine, because if I'm understanding correctly,
Speaker 1: because we refuse to say we're not we we we're
Speaker 1: not going to bring them in, like that doesn't even
Speaker 1: make sense, as like, okay, then we're going to invade.
Speaker 1: That doesn't even like makes it's not even logic, all right,
Speaker 1: he needed a a thing that caused it, right, he
Speaker 1: needed like the inciting incident from the war, and he
Speaker 1: couldn't come up with one, so he like did some
Speaker 1: like half as like Nazi claiming their Nazis. Also, he
Speaker 1: owns the media, so he's like there's just pump out
Speaker 1: a storyline repeatedly. You know, when you're not getting a
Speaker 1: lot of outside information, you know you're gonna some people
Speaker 1: will believe what they're told. And there's obviously a subsect
Speaker 1: in Russia that is against this war that understands that
Speaker 1: it's not the logical choice moving forward. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like there's just he's so much power and
Speaker 1: reach in his own country that it's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to come back that from like an outsider perspective. So
Speaker 1: according to Russians, they're being told this is stopping a
Speaker 1: global war. Yeah yeah, and they're being told by clips
Speaker 1: of Tucker Carlson. So that's not it's time. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about some pop culture stuff, and we're back. I don't
Speaker 1: know that there's the Kanye video that dropped yesterday. I
Speaker 1: I don't know, so so I haven't watched, Joel. You
Speaker 1: were saying it's pretty upsetting. I mean, it's Listen. My
Speaker 1: first thought is, okay, when was the last time the
Speaker 1: celebrity had an issue with betting somebody in our an
Speaker 1: artistic expression. It's Kathy Griffith when she held the decapitated
Speaker 1: head of Trump, which I thought was a hoot and
Speaker 1: a half. I didn't see it as threatening. I understood
Speaker 1: to some extent. You know, you're not supposed to like
Speaker 1: paint pictures or or like produce images of violence against
Speaker 1: the president. But then, you know, I remember Obama being
Speaker 1: lynched in effigy and a lot of early parades that
Speaker 1: were anti Obama. So you know, here we are art
Speaker 1: and criticizing it and sort of trying to come to
Speaker 1: some conclusions about what it means if I separate the
Speaker 1: fact that Pete Davidson is a real person who's still
Speaker 1: in his twenties and just looking at us an art
Speaker 1: piece of Like, here's a guy who essentially blew up
Speaker 1: his own relationship, is going through a lot with his
Speaker 1: baby mama and the kids, and the incredible intensity that
Speaker 1: his name. Who has bipolar and is you know either
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I like where he's at working on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. I do know mental
Speaker 1: illness is not an excuse for your actions. You still
Speaker 1: have to be responsible for them, um speaking of somebody
Speaker 1: with multiple mental illnesses. That being said, like the rage
Speaker 1: is palpable. The art is good, not Morley but just
Speaker 1: not morally but just in a this black and white claimation,
Speaker 1: part claimation, part live action video is interesting. It evokes
Speaker 1: a very clear emotion. It is I think the run
Speaker 1: just again just from an artistic prospect, like the rhymes
Speaker 1: scheme hits. The visuals of what he's trying to depict
Speaker 1: works on the flip side of that, they are like
Speaker 1: real people involved, and Kanye, like many celebrities of his
Speaker 1: will I will include a Taylor Swift in this understands
Speaker 1: that when they say something about somebody, their audience takes
Speaker 1: that to heart. Nicki Minaj fans of the same way,
Speaker 1: and as celebrity who have to be aware of like
Speaker 1: who are my fans and what are they capable of?
Speaker 1: What have we seen them do before? And I do
Speaker 1: think that Kanye sort of rating this medtage of like
Speaker 1: get Pete Davidson. It's not direct, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: it's not a direct message, but it's definitely there subliminally,
Speaker 1: and I think it can impact some of his younger
Speaker 1: and more impressionable fans. If I were Kim, I could
Speaker 1: see being afraid like this is. And we talked prior
Speaker 1: to recording. If this were a private citizen, like there
Speaker 1: would be a good reason to call the police. But
Speaker 1: he's just posting pictures of like killing my new partner.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. What's happening is very frightening. We have
Speaker 1: children involved, who you know, don't need any of this
Speaker 1: in their life. Yeah, and so from that it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to I think on the one hand, like as
Speaker 1: a person, I'm pretty I don't even want to say
Speaker 1: appalled because I've been an emotional state where you're just like, ah,
Speaker 1: the rage. But I do wish that there was any
Speaker 1: kind of deeper thought than just here's my rage plane
Speaker 1: on the page, you know, if there was. Honey's artistic
Speaker 1: depths are very vast. He has the capacity to sit
Speaker 1: down and fully articulate himself when he wants to, and
Speaker 1: I think this is just reactionary and because of that,
Speaker 1: I think it has the potential to be a dangerous message.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's yeah, I mean see. And and finally,
Speaker 1: just that the like decapitated image of Pete sometimes has
Speaker 1: like a cartoonish vibe where he's like sprinkling seeds over
Speaker 1: and growing roses that I then think he puts on
Speaker 1: pizza own casket. It's like very strange. But then there's
Speaker 1: other moments where the sculption, the lighting, it looks pretty authentic.
Speaker 1: And that's again in the same way that I think
Speaker 1: there was like an uproar against eminem when he was
Speaker 1: talking a lot about like making whole songs and very
Speaker 1: articulated audio designs of murdering his then wife. There comes
Speaker 1: blind where you're like, yeah, there's just there's a point
Speaker 1: where you as if you are like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: wish death on this person, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a part of anything that might lead to the
Speaker 1: death of an individual. At the same time, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: artistic expression, man, it's it's a lot, and I shudder
Speaker 1: to like, you know, try to contain that in somebody,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. That's definitely what they said about
Speaker 1: Kathy Gonna be so confused. According to the talking points
Speaker 1: around the Kathy Griffin, he's not Yeah, yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. The whole thing is claimation, like there's no
Speaker 1: actual pictures. Some of it is I believe it's the
Speaker 1: game who is also on the song. Yeah, his part
Speaker 1: is live action, and then some partial like the actual
Speaker 1: parts with like the Pete Davidson head are all claimation.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is to think and I have obviously haven't
Speaker 1: seen it yet. What's interesting is to think about how
Speaker 1: many people were involved in the making of it, and
Speaker 1: you know, knew exactly what was was they were creating,
Speaker 1: and I wonder what their thoughts about it were. Well,
Speaker 1: Kanye team has no problem. Like a few years ago,
Speaker 1: you might remember, like he did a video with him
Speaker 1: in bed with a bunch of lookalikes that people he's
Speaker 1: had different types of interactions with. So there's a Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift look alike in, there's a Kim look like. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's a chemical like you're not actually Kim
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other people, And I look this.
Speaker 1: His private and public life are not separate. You know,
Speaker 1: he's very He's become very famous for just posting people's tweets,
Speaker 1: which is like, stop tweeting Kanye, he will just like
Speaker 1: screen grab it and post it on his Instagram. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't when I think about artists in the past
Speaker 1: who lived that way without separating anything from the private
Speaker 1: to public life, there's such a visceral desire to consume
Speaker 1: that person's life and sort of live the second hand
Speaker 1: existence next to them. Think about like an Andy Warhol
Speaker 1: tight and everybody wants to go be part of Andy
Speaker 1: Warhol's clan and like get painted by him or whatever
Speaker 1: tried to assassinate him. Yeah, because it breeds obsession. And
Speaker 1: if that line isn't blurred, then there should be, and
Speaker 1: I think probably made much worse by social media. There's
Speaker 1: there's the line of I'm an individual and you're an
Speaker 1: individual who do not actually know each other becomes so blurred.
Speaker 1: Particularly you know, Knnie courts his fans a lot in
Speaker 1: this like I would say, like the third sort of
Speaker 1: act of his career as we know it's so far.
Speaker 1: He has like a lot of private events. You can
Speaker 1: only listen to his album if you buy a specific
Speaker 1: device upon which you can listen to it. Like it's
Speaker 1: very closed off and removed from everyone else, and so
Speaker 1: it creates this sort of like cult minded mentality. And
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm being superfluous when I say that.
Speaker 1: I really think that if you look at the design
Speaker 1: of his clothes, all muted tones, all one look like
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of space for individuality. Either you're
Speaker 1: a part of the Kanye train or you're not. And
Speaker 1: while that makes for extremely loyal fans and consistent revenue,
Speaker 1: I do think that there's an aspect of be the
Speaker 1: has to look at how you're influencing your fans and
Speaker 1: and examining what they do and condemn when it's gone
Speaker 1: too far. And I will ever see that out of you.
Speaker 1: And I also just don't think that he is fully
Speaker 1: in his right mind now, and that's scary. Do you
Speaker 1: think he's endangering Pete Davidson and Kim I do. I do.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's in the same way that
Speaker 1: I thought. It's hard to because I've gotten caught up
Speaker 1: in this before. Like I thought The Joker was an
Speaker 1: irresponsible movie when it first came out. Now I just
Speaker 1: think it's kind of dumb and silly. But we were
Speaker 1: so heavy into the thrones of Trump and that whole
Speaker 1: like Proud Boy's era, where it was just so intense
Speaker 1: and very scary. You know, I have friends in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles being assaulted at gas stations at the time because
Speaker 1: they looked littin next like that's very intense. But in
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like it was a piece
Speaker 1: of art that didn't have much to say and nothing
Speaker 1: came out of it. But did that take away from it?
Speaker 1: I don't know if art is dangerous or if it's
Speaker 1: the interpreting ations and the actions people choose to come to.
Speaker 1: You know, there is there's Kanye saying I want Pete
Speaker 1: Davidson dead, which is, you know, a horrible thing to
Speaker 1: say and also smacks of um domestic abuse. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't if somebody leaves you goes out for someone O,
Speaker 1: you can't attack the new person there with. That's domestic violence.
Speaker 1: It's it's a terrible thing, and it happens a lot,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes execalates to violence against women. All of that
Speaker 1: is very scary, but it's not a direct threat, and
Speaker 1: therefore I'm not comfortable saying like this is enacting violence
Speaker 1: because at this point in time, it's just an artistic expression. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I told I hear you. And the question of like
Speaker 1: with whom does the responsibility lie and it's and it's like, so,
Speaker 1: du I totally get what you're saying, because it's so
Speaker 1: dangerous to want to contain art. But at the thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that, But at the same time, there's something
Speaker 1: more here that feels worrisome. Yeah. As a third party
Speaker 1: outside of all this, like I think at this point
Speaker 1: in time, my only goal is, like I hope Kim
Speaker 1: is doing the right thing she needs to to protect
Speaker 1: herself and her children. And as always I'm hoping there's
Speaker 1: somebody and Connie's camp he really loves him, who is like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like we can we can help get you, like whatever
Speaker 1: you need. You have all of the access and money
Speaker 1: and funds, like you don't have to be in this
Speaker 1: much as much pain as that song is conveying, you
Speaker 1: don't have to live with that. You could be doing
Speaker 1: other things with your time in your life. It's precious,
Speaker 1: it's a minimal. What would you like to be doing It?
Speaker 1: Can't just be chasing after him. That's got to be exhausting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, dude, should we close out with
Speaker 1: a couple of things that are making us happy? Oh? God, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a downer day, sorry listening to drag my
Speaker 1: ass Batman, even though I'm also excited for for it.
Speaker 1: Know what you're excited, you feel good about, and I
Speaker 1: got a little time. So here we go. Okay, Batman,
Speaker 1: some of you he followed me at all to other spaces,
Speaker 1: you understand. Like Batman is my earliest memory, my the
Speaker 1: very earliest memory I can access is watching Batman the
Speaker 1: animated series on the couch with my dad and my
Speaker 1: brother and my mom. I have been obsessed. I too.
Speaker 1: Allison was a dark goth child. I really liked learning
Speaker 1: about like mummification, and then somebody was like, I had
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of instruments of torture back in the day,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to learn about all
Speaker 1: of them, and Batman was like the first character who
Speaker 1: I was introduced to who experienced genuine ankst right his
Speaker 1: parents were murdered, and I really think that started my
Speaker 1: love of like Victorian literature and they're very obsessed with death.
Speaker 1: I just like I loved that here was this guy
Speaker 1: who was channeling all of his hurt into trying to help.
Speaker 1: But then, like later, as my love with bat And
Speaker 1: continued to foll was like, Oh, he's really channeling his
Speaker 1: hurt into more hurt. And then you get into the
Speaker 1: thought process of like, here's a billionaire with access to everything,
Speaker 1: and he chooses to use his time punching people in
Speaker 1: dark alleys, And then there's the idea of like, oh,
Speaker 1: vengeance and what does that mean and where does that
Speaker 1: become like a toxic trait? And the more I think
Speaker 1: about Batman and the way he's taken a tragedy and
Speaker 1: allowed it to consume himself, I can't not love that character.
Speaker 1: It's so dark, it's so self destructive. And then he
Speaker 1: creates like a faux family around him. I love my
Speaker 1: chosen family and have a very tight knit collection of
Speaker 1: people that I love who spend holidays within stuff my
Speaker 1: my actual boo family is great to love them, but
Speaker 1: chosen family so important that people choose to come and
Speaker 1: be with you and love you and see you through
Speaker 1: difficult times. And then on top of all of that,
Speaker 1: it's housed in Gotham. Maybe the most epics, like if
Speaker 1: Chicago and New York became a hybrid city, which is
Speaker 1: honestly where I would choose to live if it or reality.
Speaker 1: It's got blimps and l trains and it's dark but
Speaker 1: also very gothic in structure. In the anime series that
Speaker 1: has a red sky, it feels like it's on another planet.
Speaker 1: And all of this essentially boils down into Batman is
Speaker 1: a badass and he lives in the most badass city.
Speaker 1: And now this movie comes along and they're like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna add sex. Whoa, guys, that is the bast combination.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of talk Marvel is a dominant
Speaker 1: cape and cowl like space right now, which is fair. Again,
Speaker 1: as I always say, Disney has earned the praise. They've
Speaker 1: done amazing. No one's ever done this before. That being said,
Speaker 1: it's still Disney and they got to be squeaky clean. Okay,
Speaker 1: your cap is fine, he got blue eyes. He believes
Speaker 1: in truth, justice in the American way. Kudos. I want
Speaker 1: to see a guy who believes in blood on his fist, okay.
Speaker 1: I want to see villains that never pull their punches.
Speaker 1: There's no altruism in any of these villains, Like, we're
Speaker 1: not Panos snaps because he was like, well, maybe I
Speaker 1: can make it better. I'll just do a horrible thing
Speaker 1: and take that on my shoulders. Is that psychotic? Yes?
Speaker 1: Does he believe he has altruistic values? He does? Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I get it. Everyone's trying to do good again. What
Speaker 1: if we just came to a world where bad guys
Speaker 1: were just real bad people, just awful to their core,
Speaker 1: didn't I love living in the world of Like, I'm
Speaker 1: from Chicago, one of the most politically corrupt places in
Speaker 1: the world. Give us some political corruption beyond just oh,
Speaker 1: like we're with Hydra, Okay, we get it. Nazis terrible.
Speaker 1: I don't see the guy who's like, yeah, I did
Speaker 1: close down that, We're finished. I can build a parking lot.
Speaker 1: What of it. They're on the street. Two bad kids.
Speaker 1: Should have kept your parents, Like I just it's it
Speaker 1: feels more fantastic at this point than aliens. Right, It's
Speaker 1: it's both steeped in realism and so the extreme of
Speaker 1: what you can never know one is putting on a
Speaker 1: latex batsuit and going out to kick ass because it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But what if someone did. You want
Speaker 1: to see how that played out. First of all, speak
Speaker 1: for yourself. On No One's going out. I forgot that
Speaker 1: you had the secret costume interfacement ready to go. That's
Speaker 1: my bad, Jack. Yeah, we've seen that in the Pirate
Speaker 1: costume right next to each other. But yeah, that and
Speaker 1: then casting Zoe. But we have a black catwoman again.
Speaker 1: The world is right to thank you, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: fun and it's gonna be great. Um, we need sex
Speaker 1: in superhero movies. Give it to us. I just I
Speaker 1: can't tell you, and I haven't been this buzzed, like
Speaker 1: I was really excited for spider Man, like Spider Man is,
Speaker 1: who doesn't love Peter Parker like so charming, love that kid.
Speaker 1: But Batman is my guy, and he ain't been done
Speaker 1: right in a long time. I'm sorry. I'm not a
Speaker 1: ben athlete Batman, stand. I get it. You guys love him.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you have him, But it wasn't doing
Speaker 1: anything for me. I think Robert Pattinson can me By
Speaker 1: matt My Batman. I'm looking forward to having him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like real goff, like go real, real hard golf
Speaker 1: on it. You so you didn't like the sex scene
Speaker 1: from The Spider Man with like all four Spider Man
Speaker 1: and uh, you know when it got to the DP scene,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a little much. Uh. I
Speaker 1: wanted me to go back to the squeaky green it
Speaker 1: used to be. I think this is going to work
Speaker 1: on a different level. Plus it's got um oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. Andy serkis in it,
Speaker 1: and whenever that guy shows up, amazing things happened. Has
Speaker 1: not been in a bad series yet. His selection choice
Speaker 1: is superior in Hollywood. I have nothing but faith, Allison.
Speaker 1: Speaking of p the well you're thing that you're excited
Speaker 1: about is Pam and Tommy. Oh yes, I have been
Speaker 1: very into Pam and Tommy. I am not. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch this week's episode yet, but the I watched the
Speaker 1: first episode and I was like, I'm so into this.
Speaker 1: And then I watched the second episode and I thought,
Speaker 1: I think I'm over this, and then every subsequent episode
Speaker 1: I've been I'm like, no, I'm not. I can't. I
Speaker 1: cannot watch this fast enough. It's a real guilty pleasure.
Speaker 1: I have no attention span these days except for this show.
Speaker 1: I think it might only be half an hour. It
Speaker 1: goes by very quickly. So it is a guilty pleasure
Speaker 1: in that I saw the headline of an article. I
Speaker 1: did not read the whole article, but I think the
Speaker 1: gist I'm getting is that because pam the real one,
Speaker 1: did not consent, did not give her a oh wait,
Speaker 1: it's an hour apparently. What what show was I watching? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Who cares? There's some show that I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do this. I'm getting to fifty something like, very
Speaker 1: different length running time. That's so odd, streaming that is weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like the every chapter in a novel has
Speaker 1: to be the same length, you know. I mean, just
Speaker 1: the magic trick that is transforming Lily, James and Sebastian
Speaker 1: stand into Pamela and Tommy is amazing because they do
Speaker 1: look like it's like spitting it on prosthetics. Yes, it
Speaker 1: needed to be done. It's it's amazing, And I didn't
Speaker 1: know whatever I thought. I knew about that story. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that many of the details. Seth Rogan is
Speaker 1: great and but anyway, the article so so the real
Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson did not consent to her life story being told.
Speaker 1: So I think that I think there's I feel like
Speaker 1: I read something about like, essentially it's kind of re
Speaker 1: traumatizing her for this to be told, so really we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be watching it. So I feel guilty about the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm watching it, although, like I said, I
Speaker 1: only read the headline. I didn't read the whole article,
Speaker 1: so maybe it didn't even say that. But I have
Speaker 1: mixed feelings about the fact that I'm enjoying it. But
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it nonetheless recommend that that's kind of the
Speaker 1: gits some people the and I'm paraphrasing a quote right now,
Speaker 1: but essentially that she was like shocked and a little
Speaker 1: disturbed that this whole thing was going to be rehashed. Um.
Speaker 1: I just sort of wishally had in her the screeners
Speaker 1: before they aired it, because I think she might have
Speaker 1: been comforted by the fact that apparently, at least it
Speaker 1: seems to a lot of reviewers that they're trying to
Speaker 1: make her out to be this feminist icon and to her, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is very simp affect her. She comes off well. Okay,
Speaker 1: So producer Justin is saying, and I thought I saw
Speaker 1: something to this effect yesterday that now she's going to
Speaker 1: tell the real story in a Netflix documentary. And I
Speaker 1: do enjoy the way Netflix and Hullo are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they are real. Uh they really hate each other, it
Speaker 1: seems uh no, they love each other. Listen, that's bolstering
Speaker 1: because they don't have a lead in show that's like
Speaker 1: a network does. And so now I have to watch
Speaker 1: both fire documentaries and if I watched one, I'm good.
Speaker 1: How wrong did Hulu get there? Pamela Anderson's story and
Speaker 1: and that that's true. They standing right, they feed each other.
Speaker 1: Somebody was doing like deck work for them or like
Speaker 1: construction work at their house, like Tommy, Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: doing shift them and so payback he stole a safe yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the seth Rogen character who's actually had been a
Speaker 1: porn star as well, he was doing construction work at
Speaker 1: their house and then Tommy Lee like kept wanting to
Speaker 1: change what was being done and all of it he
Speaker 1: hadn't paid for any of it, but he kept saying like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm good for it. You know I'm good
Speaker 1: for it. And then he wanted to change another thing
Speaker 1: and it was going to be like another bunch of money,
Speaker 1: and so the construction workers guys, we're having to front
Speaker 1: it with their own money, and they were like, look,
Speaker 1: we can do it, but we're going to need the
Speaker 1: cash upfront, and he refused. So then um he like
Speaker 1: fired them, claiming they've done shotty work, which supposed they
Speaker 1: had not done shotty work. So then the Seth Rogan
Speaker 1: character came to He realized he left his tools there,
Speaker 1: and he came to pick up his tools and Tommy
Speaker 1: was like, you're not taking your tools like I fired you,
Speaker 1: and then he wanted his tools and then Tommy hold
Speaker 1: a gun on him. So he like in the I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's true, but in the show he pissed.
Speaker 1: He pissed himself, was completely emasculated. Left it was very sad.
Speaker 1: He had a flashback to a sad thing from his
Speaker 1: childhood as well. Left and then decided he wanted revenge,
Speaker 1: so he came back and stole a safe. Did not
Speaker 1: know what was going to be in the safe, but
Speaker 1: in the safe was a whole bunch of stuff, including
Speaker 1: this tape, started to do construction on your house. Did
Speaker 1: not know he had been a porn star in the past. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: It does just seem like the setup of a porn
Speaker 1: like it's like I forgot my tools, just forgot yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: And in the series, the way he remembers that he
Speaker 1: forgot his tools is he's at home having a little
Speaker 1: wankin session watching porn, and in the porn he's watching,
Speaker 1: he sees a toolbox and then he's like, oh, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: I will talk about the thing that's making me happy
Speaker 1: on the trending episode, which actually dropped yesterday. So if
Speaker 1: you guys want to hear what what's making me happy,
Speaker 1: you can travel back in time and listen to that.
Speaker 1: But Allison, such a pleasure having you on t d Z.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? Oh? Please
Speaker 1: follow me on social media at Alison Rosen on Twitter
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Speaker 1: Rosen is your new best friend. I have preaka Wally,
Speaker 1: who is a doctor and a comedian. On Monday's episode,
Speaker 1: she is co hosts hypochondriactor with Shawn Hayes, and then
Speaker 1: I have um the Dope Boys, uh, Nick and Mitch
Speaker 1: on the Thursday show, and then My Lighthearted If you
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Speaker 1: more lighthearted on Saturday's Upwarthly Weekly, and then Childish is
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays. Go check those out as well. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoyed? Yes, also a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 1: I just discovered Spencer Pratt from The Hills US on
Speaker 1: TikTok and is apparently, according to the comments, his n
Speaker 1: d A has expired. So he's like angry and unhinged
Speaker 1: in the best way. So he is going back and
Speaker 1: showing clips of the original Hills and the current Hills
Speaker 1: and pointing out all the scenes that were scripted and
Speaker 1: that the producers set up, and like he'll show a
Speaker 1: phone conversation between him and Audrina and he's like, this
Speaker 1: was this never happened in real life. I was on
Speaker 1: the phone with Heidi. The producers had We're talking to Audrina.
Speaker 1: They fed her the lines. They made it look like
Speaker 1: we were talking. There's an old scene where heigh de
Speaker 1: Tels Spencer, she took a pregnancy test and he's like, think,
Speaker 1: how fucked up that is? That was you know, fourty
Speaker 1: year old producers telling a twenty year old girl to
Speaker 1: to pretend that she was having trouble with birth control
Speaker 1: that never happened. Like he's basically just laying it all
Speaker 1: out and I cannot get enough of it. That's on
Speaker 1: TikTok's about your pride. Wow, so good, Joel, truly a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you back, guest. Where can people find you
Speaker 1: and follow you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: And Joel when he could can find me all over
Speaker 1: the internet? Agee Monique that's j L E L E
Speaker 1: m O and I q u E at Solomon, Missouri
Speaker 1: posted photographs of a billboard from an insurance agency that's
Speaker 1: say show your mind, not your behind. It's images of
Speaker 1: a man sagging his pants and a woman with an
Speaker 1: A plus posterior and some white booty shorts juxtaposed with
Speaker 1: those same people in graduation robes. And the tweet says
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do both because I can do all things
Speaker 1: through Christ, who strengthens me and God bless get it.
Speaker 1: People have an education and show your ass ain't no problems,
Speaker 1: live your life. Insurance company? Are you doing? Get out
Speaker 1: of here. You can find me on Twitter at Jack
Speaker 1: Underscore O'Brien some tweets I've been enjoying. Amber Treadway tweeted
Speaker 1: where did scars accent come from? Did he study abroad
Speaker 1: at Palavi Ganal And tweeted I had a friend who
Speaker 1: put a frozen burrito on the microwave and when it
Speaker 1: didn't heat up, she threw the burrito away and tried
Speaker 1: heating up a different one. And that's just such a
Speaker 1: good encapsulation of like my brain when I'm tired, like
Speaker 1: and I just can't make decisions and I'm like on
Speaker 1: a weird autopilot that doesn't work. So I appreciated that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that we talked about in today's episode, as well as
Speaker 1: that song that we think you should go check out
Speaker 1: Justin super producer Justin what song do we think people
Speaker 1: should go check out. This is a very interesting track
Speaker 1: by a I believe he's a UK artist. This song
Speaker 1: is called under Waterfall one word by Bear Cubs. Very
Speaker 1: interesting inspiration here. It sounds like a future garage, low
Speaker 1: fi house inspired track, but that doesn't describe it so
Speaker 1: well because it sounds like it's going to be one
Speaker 1: of the most fire rap beats you've ever heard. And
Speaker 1: then he just goes into this droning sing song voice
Speaker 1: that's very hypnotizing and I love it. And when the
Speaker 1: chorus comes in, the song just expands to this huge
Speaker 1: soundscape that you can just get lost in, and then
Speaker 1: he goes right back to the simple keys that you'll
Speaker 1: hear um in the beginning. It sounds like a mix
Speaker 1: between a light sound pad and a steel drum. So
Speaker 1: you can check this out in the footnotes. That's bear
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