Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to twenty nine,
Speaker 1: episode four of Like Guys Stay production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. Is Thursday, March, which of course
Speaker 1: means that it is National cheese Steak Day. We go Philly. Yeah, Jackie,
Speaker 1: it's also a chocolate covered raisin day, which I have
Speaker 1: come to enjoy less and less as I get older.
Speaker 1: Really gives me digestive issues. What about the did you
Speaker 1: ever eat the yogurt covered raisins? Yeah? Those are kind
Speaker 1: of gross, but I used to like them. I used
Speaker 1: to just like any little sugar pellet that I could
Speaker 1: get in my mouth. Right, those felt like and they
Speaker 1: got fruit. They feel like they think you go to
Speaker 1: the store and there would be like you could get
Speaker 1: like loose nuts or candy out of this thing at
Speaker 1: the grocery store, and like the yogurt covered ones on it. Like, man, Mom,
Speaker 1: I should like those are like vegetables practically, She's like, no, basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're hitting two food groups. Yeah, good news. I
Speaker 1: mean acid off list. I mean, we just heard about
Speaker 1: all of the benefits of acid off list. This is
Speaker 1: the early nighties. Everyone's going, you know, bonkers over acidoflist.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is that. It's like the live
Speaker 1: cultures and yogurt. I remember my dad was like, we
Speaker 1: need that acidopulist and I was like, what I would
Speaker 1: remember We would eat drink like capfuls of acid, afulist
Speaker 1: and ship he was. He was about that digestive ship.
Speaker 1: My family was big on yogurt and grape nuts. That
Speaker 1: those are staple. Hey, you're getting that acid office anyway,
Speaker 1: I was getting there. They didn't tell me. They knew
Speaker 1: I couldn't pronounce or remember those sorts of words. But anyways,
Speaker 1: my name is Jack O'Brien a kit la la la
Speaker 1: la la plus uh. That is courtesy Events Jets and
Speaker 1: I think I mispronounced will Blues on the Trending episode
Speaker 1: Tuesday when we talked about it. There's also we missed
Speaker 1: a big we missed a big story attached to a
Speaker 1: lot of Blues that we're gonna have to get to
Speaker 1: a little later on today. But one of the names
Speaker 1: on that marquee that announced all the people who are
Speaker 1: performing at While Blues was David Solomon formerly desal currently
Speaker 1: CEO of Goldman, Sex and also a electronic music DJ,
Speaker 1: so we need to talk about that. I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Grave.
Speaker 1: And it seems to me that you lived your life
Speaker 1: like a candle you can eat slowly turning into gravy
Speaker 1: for me to drown my meat. Okay, shout out to
Speaker 1: Scouty Magoo on the discord. Yes, the KFC gravy candle,
Speaker 1: amongst other things like eating apples from the bottom, has
Speaker 1: also taken over the discourse on this the first that
Speaker 1: was the first not non apple from the bottom a
Speaker 1: k in weeks there was something about Elton John and
Speaker 1: a gravy candle that I couldn't be, so shout out
Speaker 1: to you, SCOUTI Magoo on the discord. Yeah yeah, well, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled fortunate to be joined in our third
Speaker 1: seat by an Emmy nominated host who has worked for
Speaker 1: The Onion, The Daily Show, and advised the Obama White House.
Speaker 1: This is a New York Times best selling author delivered
Speaker 1: what Brian Williams called one of the greatest ted talks
Speaker 1: of all time, and most importantly, by far more important
Speaker 1: than any of that bullshit is the creator and host
Speaker 1: of How the Citizen with barratun Day, one of the
Speaker 1: best podcasts on this or any network. Please welcome the
Speaker 1: brilliant and talented bird. Oh my goodness, I am Actually
Speaker 1: my most important bio link is that I'm a child
Speaker 1: of both grape nuts and excessive amounts of asidophilis. So
Speaker 1: thank you both, Jackie Miles. Good to be reunited with y'all.
Speaker 1: Thanks for helping give birth to that podcast. And it's
Speaker 1: good to be here on your show that Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: so you were on that acid Oh yeah. My mom
Speaker 1: was into cod liver oil, acidophilist, like anything that was
Speaker 1: in the Healthful co Op. And she said if she
Speaker 1: said the word a lot, they were a little We
Speaker 1: had to keep it in the refrigerator. We acidophulist caplets,
Speaker 1: so we didn't drink it. I never Oh god, it's
Speaker 1: a great word to say. It is a word that
Speaker 1: I will Yeah, I will now be finding a way
Speaker 1: to inject just just so I can get my mouth
Speaker 1: around the acidophi. It's a stage like DJ acidophilis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: David Solomon, are you listening acidophilis? Yeah? It sounds like yeah,
Speaker 1: an amazing like just trippy back has the psychedelic vibe,
Speaker 1: and that's that's really all the rage. Now. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like Jim Henson had let the acid take hold a
Speaker 1: little bit longer and stronger, that would have been the
Speaker 1: name of snuffle up Agains right, Yes, oh man, just
Speaker 1: snuffy just out there in the streets, just I want
Speaker 1: to see that. But all he would do is just
Speaker 1: wave his hand in front of his face, getting these
Speaker 1: trails on my arm, like what aidos? Oh man, those
Speaker 1: eyelashes dropping acidophilis. That's dropping some acidophilis right down the esophagus.
Speaker 1: It's a It is a word that seems like it
Speaker 1: was designed to be used by ghost Face Killer at
Speaker 1: some point. Right, the fact that he didn't use it,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, we gotta we gotta check
Speaker 1: that out. I look up the literature. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you go the full name Lactobacillus asidophilist educated quick. I
Speaker 1: just had to google that, had to Wikipedia that one
Speaker 1: summoned it. But yeah, yeah, oh wow, wow, Well, happy
Speaker 1: days to both of y'all. Good to be here, yea
Speaker 1: yeah he as well. All right, well, Barrey, today we're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better.
Speaker 1: In a moment. First, we're gonna tell our little snars
Speaker 1: a couple of things. We're talking about Mike Bronze, Senator.
Speaker 1: Mike Bronze clan hood seemed to have slipped off momentarily
Speaker 1: in an interview, threw that back on, but did a
Speaker 1: bad job that was still still visible even in his
Speaker 1: apology statements. So we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Mo Brooks. We just Mo Brooks. It's always,
Speaker 1: it's always a treat. The man who spoke at the
Speaker 1: January six rally and yelled are you ready to sacrifice
Speaker 1: your blood? That that was a bad Mo Brooks. But
Speaker 1: we we got to talk about this man. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the TikTok to Hollywood pipeline. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about all of that plenty more. But before we get
Speaker 1: to any of it, we do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 1: baritone there, what is something from your search history? Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: the words charting was recently added to my search history.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you not know what it was? You just? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not shar ting, sharding with ding. Yeah, yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: kind of gonna get our heads. I've heard a little
Speaker 1: giggle and I was like, Oh, they're not They're not
Speaker 1: thinking the same word. I'm thinking, I'm not crypto minded
Speaker 1: over here, more middle school minded. Middle school guest that
Speaker 1: that middle school mindset. Yeah, Yeah, I've been I've been
Speaker 1: diving more into this crypto world and like the way
Speaker 1: that it could affect our world for better and for worse.
Speaker 1: And I saw this profile of Metalic Buteran, the Ethereum founder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I talked about it the other and the article mentions charting,
Speaker 1: and I thought that it was a time profile of
Speaker 1: him the cover story and the author of this article
Speaker 1: just dropped the word charting like everybody knows what it means.
Speaker 1: A couple of moments like yeah, and I know a
Speaker 1: lot about computer stuff, and i'd like read the Bitcoin
Speaker 1: white paper. Don't mean to brag, but you know in
Speaker 1: its original English, Like I just I dubbed the all
Speaker 1: nine pages because I don't think I know what charting is.
Speaker 1: And it's way you distributed data based across multiple servers.
Speaker 1: So the concept is pretty basic, but the word is
Speaker 1: not common. So for the writers at time, you know,
Speaker 1: define your terms, you know, but you put more words
Speaker 1: people don't know, then you're less likely to ask questions
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right, or people think it's
Speaker 1: charting and they yeah, no, I know that we hate that, right,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh so like a wet fart, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely don't want wet farts, right unless you do?
Speaker 1: Unless you do, which is which is fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what are You're not here to judge
Speaker 1: the wet fart brigade. You don't want to. You don't
Speaker 1: get taken out by that. You know they're gonna come
Speaker 1: from charting twitters coming for you. It was raised as
Speaker 1: something good or like a possibility of something that like
Speaker 1: Metallic wants them to invest in. So here's what's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I might do a quick miles and
Speaker 1: then look out because I was so distracted and disappointed
Speaker 1: by them just dropping the word in there that I
Speaker 1: went down this rabbit hole to look it up and
Speaker 1: I came back to an article and didn't even reread
Speaker 1: the sentence that they used in it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: now I know more stuff good for me anyway, now,
Speaker 1: as a as a crypto and n f T skeptic,
Speaker 1: I found that article pretty enlightening. Both I hadn't really
Speaker 1: read anybody who like did a good job of kind
Speaker 1: of laying out the promise of crypto all that, all
Speaker 1: that well, but at the same time, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the things, it does seem like the thing sort
Speaker 1: of gravitates towards the same problems over and over again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We I mean, I think I'm a hopeful person for
Speaker 1: better and what is going on here? Sorry about that
Speaker 1: audio interference there, because we didn't hear you didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: It was just in my head the advertising hellscape that
Speaker 1: we were subject to. I pulled up that assaulted by
Speaker 1: an auto play ad for Google, which is great because
Speaker 1: it's like the opposite of the decentralized world that we
Speaker 1: started talking about. Have you heard of Google? Have you
Speaker 1: heard of this place? Google? Want to get into that? Miles,
Speaker 1: don't you look it up real quick on the search engine.
Speaker 1: It's weird when I just the homepage comes up for people?
Speaker 1: What up real quick? Oh my goodness. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: they were They just quoted him talking about like if
Speaker 1: we don't have charting fast enough, people might migrate to
Speaker 1: other more centralized solutions. Basically, if the theory of service
Speaker 1: isn't fast and that people will roll off it onto
Speaker 1: something else. But to you to the larger point, I'm
Speaker 1: optimistic and skeptical at the same time. I like the
Speaker 1: idea of building a whole new world um and and
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical that it will just happen on its own
Speaker 1: and we need more people nudging this, this new opportunity
Speaker 1: towards something that can serve more of us, or left
Speaker 1: to its own devices, we will be overrun by the
Speaker 1: get rich off of gifts brigade and j pegs. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the world I want to be
Speaker 1: living in. But I don't write off the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's really it's worth understanding and and for me,
Speaker 1: it's worth participating to to help push it towards something
Speaker 1: better than than the current Hell, all right, how much
Speaker 1: of a daunting task do you see that as being?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like, like, as you're an optimist, I
Speaker 1: look at it and I'm like, right, all the same
Speaker 1: problems are happening because once you factor in human greed,
Speaker 1: it becomes it's off to the races. So are like,
Speaker 1: are are we on the verge of seeing something that
Speaker 1: is more in line with like sort of what the
Speaker 1: you know, the optimistic read of what crypto can give
Speaker 1: us is like, are we are we closer to that
Speaker 1: or because it's right now, it seems like the greedy
Speaker 1: people are winning like this sort of are they're They're
Speaker 1: definitely dominating the story of what's possible with this tech.
Speaker 1: I think there's enough folks who have been skeptical of
Speaker 1: how tech well just magically create a better world, Like
Speaker 1: if we just give every kid a laptop, they'll definitely
Speaker 1: only use it for educational purposes and that will make
Speaker 1: people the better place. Like that didn't happen, and we've
Speaker 1: seen the harm, whether it's like teen suicide stuff, body image, misinformation,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that that you well know, we don't.
Speaker 1: We can't believe ignorance anymore, and we are capable of
Speaker 1: creating new stuff, like we've created new countries. You know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. But I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that that increased awareness is brought to bear on how
Speaker 1: we build the thing. From a direct evidence perspective, there's
Speaker 1: it seems to me um and I don't have the
Speaker 1: numbers right in front of me, but there's a higher
Speaker 1: percentage of participation in this wave of Internet slash finance
Speaker 1: by say Black people than there was at Web two
Speaker 1: and Web one or other financial tools that we were
Speaker 1: explicitly barred from participating in, like homeownership, you know that
Speaker 1: little thing. So I think there's a historical hunger by
Speaker 1: certain communities to make sure that we're at the table
Speaker 1: rather than on the table in this time around. And
Speaker 1: I there's no guarantees, and I skepticism is well earned,
Speaker 1: but I think merely being skeptical, for me, it just
Speaker 1: paralyzes me. And so let's get let's get in there
Speaker 1: and try not to get distracted by the current noise
Speaker 1: and uh, and hope that from a regulatory perspective and
Speaker 1: a creative perspective, we set up things that that are
Speaker 1: better serving us than than what we're trying to exit from. Right, right, right,
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? Oh, my goodness,
Speaker 1: over rated? As Adolphus No, But I say this as
Speaker 1: a still new Californian. I've been here three years now,
Speaker 1: and I think in and out Burger is extraordinarily overrated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, go ahead. No, Miles is openly weeping, right,
Speaker 1: would be more specific. The fries. They should stop, they
Speaker 1: should stop selling. That's the one thing I'm like yeah, yeah, great,
Speaker 1: Just they taste like cardboard. Even when you do the
Speaker 1: hack and the double frying thing, they require so much
Speaker 1: catch up. They're just they're not they're not good. They're
Speaker 1: driving and they tastes like packaging that you would put
Speaker 1: the burger in. But I don't double fry. I asked
Speaker 1: for light fry. I like weepy and soggy. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: a little mashed potato sticks. I talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot to people, like what's wrong with you? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but that's really how
Speaker 1: I operate. But yeah, I definitely, uh you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I think the more that like this take comes up,
Speaker 1: I'm the less inclined I am to be like, what
Speaker 1: the funk? Because no, not even then, I'm like when
Speaker 1: I look at him, like, I used to eat it
Speaker 1: out a lot, like when I was in college. That
Speaker 1: was like the height of eating for me. But as
Speaker 1: I get older and I'm like, I don't need to
Speaker 1: eat that much sodium like on the regular. Because let's
Speaker 1: be real, the secret to any the reason why people
Speaker 1: think in and out taste good is because those patties
Speaker 1: are salted to high hell. And now that I don't
Speaker 1: eat as much. I'm like, yeah, I mean, there are
Speaker 1: other burgers out there that I prefer to eat, but
Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is. I'm less tied
Speaker 1: to the regional defense of in and out, especially now
Speaker 1: because they're you know, they have interesting business practices to
Speaker 1: so now that of your cellular matter is not made
Speaker 1: up of in and out burger food like some constituted
Speaker 1: as I'm proud of you. Yeah. Yeah, my arteries thank
Speaker 1: me as well. I think my blood pressure cuff. My
Speaker 1: wife just she's you know, normally does not funk with
Speaker 1: fast food at all, like or even yeah, she's very
Speaker 1: strict about like what our kids are allowed to eat,
Speaker 1: what she's allowed to eat. She went in and out
Speaker 1: with our kids like a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 1: came back saying the praises of like she discovered that
Speaker 1: you can put chili peppers in like all of and
Speaker 1: that apparently really like plused it up for her to
Speaker 1: the to the degree that I might be able to
Speaker 1: go to in an outburger with my family again in
Speaker 1: the future. The degree to which they have more items
Speaker 1: not on the menu than on the menu, I also
Speaker 1: find troublesome. It actually it kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: like the n f T world, you know, to bring
Speaker 1: it back. It's like you have a secret community. It's
Speaker 1: like the little discord server and you've gotta unlocked stuff,
Speaker 1: which just the right you know pass phrase. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: the original. You don't know about animal fries, They're like
Speaker 1: is it on the menu? Fool not knowing about scharting,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean exactly, just look like an asshole.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated? I think empty
Speaker 1: time in the schedule is underrated. I think basically nonproductive
Speaker 1: time is severely underrated by myself and by the wider
Speaker 1: society that always wants you to be hustling and doing
Speaker 1: and demonstrating how much of hustling and doing, And just
Speaker 1: like emptiness is a is a great feature because I say,
Speaker 1: is this a new realization? Is this something you have
Speaker 1: philosophy you've held dear? Because I know in the time
Speaker 1: we've worked together, Like I think Barrett tun Day is
Speaker 1: like one of the most hardest working people I have
Speaker 1: ever met. He has going on all the time. All
Speaker 1: I Okay, maybe this is what how do we get here?
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's an excellent and uh an
Speaker 1: intimate question because because it is something that I don't
Speaker 1: always believe and I certainly don't always practice. So it's
Speaker 1: a realization I've come to a number of times, but
Speaker 1: every time I rediscover it, I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 1: don't like I need to schedule blank spots to just
Speaker 1: have time to think loosely, like not listening to a podcast,
Speaker 1: not binging on some programming, not in a meeting, not writing,
Speaker 1: not intentionally making anything happen, just like Space the Final Frontier.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's new again, and it's something I
Speaker 1: really just have been feeling over the past week as
Speaker 1: I had the thought that you have about me from
Speaker 1: the outside, I also share from like oh maybe I'm
Speaker 1: up to do many things, um, and how am I
Speaker 1: gonna push to get it all done? And instead? And
Speaker 1: then in my mind, I'm like, that's how you become
Speaker 1: a best selling on what we were going to talk
Speaker 1: about with TikTok and like that that pipeline, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I have the underlying question of whether you know our
Speaker 1: next generation of like great actors and directors and creators
Speaker 1: are being just swallowed up by not like busy work,
Speaker 1: but like the very small and disposable creations of like
Speaker 1: social media, you know, like oh okay, okay, we're going
Speaker 1: we're going to you know that that ties back to
Speaker 1: just the importance of boredom. Yeah, that's that's That's another
Speaker 1: way of saying what I'm thinking about underrated and I
Speaker 1: think we we perform productivity, right. We it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to show that you're not doing things or you
Speaker 1: feel some sense of shame if you just post like
Speaker 1: just chilling doing nothing. And also maybe you're not doing
Speaker 1: nothing because you're is posted about how you're doing nothing, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's just so much of our I have
Speaker 1: definitely drank the kool aid, or actually I don't know
Speaker 1: if I drank it. I think I've been like water
Speaker 1: boarded by the kool aid of productivity, and so it
Speaker 1: ended up in my my digestive system, but also in
Speaker 1: my lungs and my eyes and like every other part.
Speaker 1: Because we're trying to get ahead, like we're trying to
Speaker 1: generate more, we're trying to achieve and and feel like
Speaker 1: we have some purpose, and that's so much tied up
Speaker 1: in just doing a bunch of stuff. So just pausing
Speaker 1: to to get off of that race off of that track.
Speaker 1: It's quite difficult. And then you know, we set up
Speaker 1: an economy where it's kind of required too, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to afford a home. You know, even
Speaker 1: if you have money, it's hard to know you don't
Speaker 1: have money like it. Nope. You know, So there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's a trap that we're locked in around
Speaker 1: this productivity thing that occasionally rears its head and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's another way to be Oh yeah, and then I
Speaker 1: crank out some tiptoks about my new found insights. Follow me,
Speaker 1: follow me, follow me a third eye bear Ton Day. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: sign up for my course. Uh? You know, was that
Speaker 1: was like the hustle culture? Where do you think it
Speaker 1: got really big? Like in college? Was was at university?
Speaker 1: Does it get like that because you know you had
Speaker 1: a really competitive school, a lot of people achieving things.
Speaker 1: Is that sort of like the beginning of sort of
Speaker 1: completely cementing this philosophical pitfall? It's um, I think it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up with a deep sense of
Speaker 1: the sacrifice my mother made to provide you with a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities, to shield me from some of them
Speaker 1: more perilous parts of life, growing up in the crack
Speaker 1: wars d c. Eighties, all of that. So I think
Speaker 1: I carried a little bit of a burden of debt
Speaker 1: or like I got to earn this, I gotta beat
Speaker 1: the return on her investment. And then by the time
Speaker 1: I got to college, it was a safe place to
Speaker 1: experiment with wildly unhealthy behaviors about trying to get ahead.
Speaker 1: I just tried to sleep every other night for a
Speaker 1: couple of months or a couple of weeks, or then
Speaker 1: I would do like I'll do four four hours tonight
Speaker 1: and eight hours tomorrow night and fours to night hours
Speaker 1: to morrow, or just pushed myself to like not sleep
Speaker 1: and see how much I could get done, which I'm
Speaker 1: still convinced is why I don't remember a lot of college.
Speaker 1: I didn't drink at all during college. There was no
Speaker 1: bit drinking or any of that destroying brain cells. It
Speaker 1: was just but the same effect happens through when I
Speaker 1: started learning about the long term health effects that helps
Speaker 1: slow me down. When I met my now wife, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: she is the opposite. Like she really respects contemplation, time
Speaker 1: to synthathesize rest, and you know, she rubbed off on me,
Speaker 1: I think a little more than I rubbed off on her,
Speaker 1: which is I think that healthy for both of us,
Speaker 1: which is encouraging me to to pause and breathe. And
Speaker 1: then what I found is maybe you know, to your
Speaker 1: point Jack about creative production, I can have bigger and
Speaker 1: better ideas if I'm not constantly cranking out tiny ideas
Speaker 1: and so just creating it's a little it takes a
Speaker 1: bit of faith because you don't see it in the
Speaker 1: short term. But I'm not doing anything in the next
Speaker 1: five minutes to prove that I'm a productive member of society.
Speaker 1: But over the next fifty minutes, my mind is just
Speaker 1: processing a lot of this stuff that it's consumed, and
Speaker 1: then five weeks from now, maybe I come up with something.
Speaker 1: I just have an idea, quote unquote, but it's it's
Speaker 1: the idea is the result of space that you know,
Speaker 1: the hamster wheel would never allow me for So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things you have to like
Speaker 1: trust you know, a different process and just know that
Speaker 1: things might emerge on the other side rather than what
Speaker 1: you can see tangibly in the short term. And like pushing, pushing, pushing, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So TikTok is bad. I don't know. I still wake
Speaker 1: up at three every morning and work out like Mark
Speaker 1: Wahlberg and The Rock good for you? Really do you
Speaker 1: really wake up through the I just find that like
Speaker 1: that's the new unhealthy sleep habit doujore that people are
Speaker 1: like this means you're truly on your grind is if
Speaker 1: you wake up like at the time that most people
Speaker 1: are like just starting to enter rem sleep and uh
Speaker 1: and start lifting weights. That's Mark Wahlberg and The Rock
Speaker 1: both through. Yeah, I believe, so I know Mark Waulberg does.
Speaker 1: I mean it helps that they have probably personal butlers
Speaker 1: and private trainers and people to take care of all
Speaker 1: the other stuff that the restaurants have to do, just
Speaker 1: take over driving when they fall asleep at the wheel.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he Mark Wahlberg has to wake up
Speaker 1: and then eat a meal that's prepared for him and
Speaker 1: work out with a person that's waiting for him to
Speaker 1: walk him through it. And then he gets into like
Speaker 1: cryo chamber or whatever it is, right, pop some acidophilus,
Speaker 1: you know, beer bonga gallana acid awfulest and then you
Speaker 1: go broke. All right, let's take you a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk some politics and we're back.
Speaker 1: Actually everybody could anyone needs a break, No, but I
Speaker 1: will drink of this water. It's my wallbird juice. That's
Speaker 1: awful as that Ali Vera. I remember that wasn't anything
Speaker 1: my dad would have a drinking Yeah. Yeah, we think
Speaker 1: we had the same parents. I think, you know, black boomers.
Speaker 1: There was a moment where like health supplements were like
Speaker 1: the greatest thing you could do for yourself, because there
Speaker 1: was it was like fads. And then my grand my
Speaker 1: dad's parents were gonna like all these other things, like
Speaker 1: they were trying. They got caught up in Tahitian Noni,
Speaker 1: the Tahitian Noni scam. I don't even know about that.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like any it's like herbal life. But
Speaker 1: back then they're like, this is the secret of Tahitians.
Speaker 1: And then it happened in my grandparents church. One person
Speaker 1: was selling it in their church, and then my grandfather
Speaker 1: was like a hustler, was like, well, I can make
Speaker 1: some money off of this, and then like we ended
Speaker 1: up with like boxes of it that no one wanted.
Speaker 1: And see this is this is also a consequence of slavery.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, This is what happens when
Speaker 1: you just take shipped from people generation after generation. Then
Speaker 1: we're just like, we will do anything to get ahead,
Speaker 1: to get a leg up, to be seen as a
Speaker 1: damn human being, to restore our strength, right, so that
Speaker 1: there's this deficit that is like infinitely eternally having to
Speaker 1: be addressed in some way, and like whether that's health
Speaker 1: or financially, there's always this feeling. Yeah, no, for sure,
Speaker 1: thanks America, and we're bad. Keep that in the show. Yeah, leave,
Speaker 1: leave all that. Yeah, yeah, you just came back early
Speaker 1: from break. But now we're back to the show that
Speaker 1: we're back. Now, now we're back to the show. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk Mike Braun. Is that how we're pronouncing his
Speaker 1: name brown Braun whatever. Yeah. So he was doing an
Speaker 1: interview because you know, the Supreme Court is the big
Speaker 1: topic this week. He was just blabbing on about how
Speaker 1: he thought Roe was judicial activism, even though it was
Speaker 1: very popular at the time and still very popular with
Speaker 1: the majority of the country. And then the reporter asked him, well,
Speaker 1: if you're like so into states making decisions, what do
Speaker 1: you think of let's just pull one at random. Loving
Speaker 1: verset Virginia. Okay, Loving verst vigil the decision that legalized
Speaker 1: generational marriage. Yeah, a decision that the Supreme Court unanimously
Speaker 1: decided in favor of because it was so clear that
Speaker 1: the Racial Integrity Act of nineteen twenty four in Virginia
Speaker 1: was such a violation of the loving his constitutional rights. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's hear his answer, because I'm sure he really thought
Speaker 1: this one. So let's we'll just cut into partial his
Speaker 1: answer where he's just being set up. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you think of loving? And he starts blabbing
Speaker 1: on about well, you can't have it both ways and what.
Speaker 1: So he begins to talk about, you know, the diversity
Speaker 1: of our federal system because you can't have it both ways. Uh,
Speaker 1: when you want that diversity to shine within our federal system,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be rules and proceedings. They're gonna be out
Speaker 1: of sync with maybe what other states would do. It's
Speaker 1: a beauty of the system. And uh, that's where the
Speaker 1: differences among points of view in our fifty states ought
Speaker 1: to express themselves. And I'm not saying that rule would
Speaker 1: apply in general depending on the topic, but it should
Speaker 1: mostly be in general, because it's hard to have it
Speaker 1: on issues that you just are interested in when you
Speaker 1: deny it for others with a different point of view.
Speaker 1: So you would be okay with the Supreme Court leaving
Speaker 1: the question of interracial marriage to the States. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that that's something that if you're not wanting the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court to weigh in on issues like that, you're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to have your cake and
Speaker 1: eat it too. I think it's okay, Yeah, wow, what
Speaker 1: year are we in right now? You can't have your
Speaker 1: cake and eat it too, especially if that cake is
Speaker 1: a is a chocolate vanillas. We're all kind of right.
Speaker 1: I mean, he said it's hard to have it on
Speaker 1: issues that you like, So he's talking generally right that
Speaker 1: these there's these philosophical beliefs, whether it be abortion or
Speaker 1: interracial marriage. It's hard to have it on issues that
Speaker 1: you are interested in when you deny it to others
Speaker 1: with a different point of view. So it's not like,
Speaker 1: again I'm trying to put myself even in the position
Speaker 1: of the aggrieved person who's against interracial marriage, is like, well,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't let people. It's it's a odd like that's
Speaker 1: such a bizarre philosophical point to sort of like underline
Speaker 1: to say like, yeah, you know the time honored tradition
Speaker 1: of racism, Like what is that from? Like where are
Speaker 1: we coming from? Also, Clarence Thomas, Mitch McConnell, where are
Speaker 1: y'all they're coming for you? I think it's so wild
Speaker 1: because I I read about this moment, and my first
Speaker 1: thought was he didn't understand the question, Like I really
Speaker 1: wanted to be generous with this person, and he just
Speaker 1: I saw like a little piece of the transcript where
Speaker 1: the reporter asked about loving, and I thought he was
Speaker 1: being discriminatory towards a group that he felt more comfortable with.
Speaker 1: I thought he assumed it was like same sex marriage,
Speaker 1: like anybody can love anybody and it's love matters and
Speaker 1: love conquers all. And he's like, not in my state,
Speaker 1: and that is still horrible. But I thought he was
Speaker 1: comfortable with that horror. But then actually hearing the full clip,
Speaker 1: he had clarified twice, you know, in the setup and
Speaker 1: then in the follow up, and I think he thought
Speaker 1: he was being really thoughtful, like just looking at his
Speaker 1: body language on that and he's like, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to be consistent with my beliefs here. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: just had we'd have to revisit basic human rights, you know,
Speaker 1: across the country. And that is terrifying and also simple
Speaker 1: minded and kind of dumb. And he's he's he's wearing glasses. Two,
Speaker 1: he's got a suit. He's like in an official stature
Speaker 1: of position. But it seems pretty idiotic to me, and
Speaker 1: I just feel bad risk constituents. Yeah, and he you know,
Speaker 1: I think the second he said that, I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: if his staff's worth anything, they probably all simultaneously slapped
Speaker 1: their foreheads and disbelief, and we're like, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make a statement, like immediately. Because naturally, when that
Speaker 1: clip came out, people were like, who is this man?
Speaker 1: I think he's from that There must have been a
Speaker 1: time machine from the antebell him South that got fired up.
Speaker 1: And then this guy appeared as a senator today and
Speaker 1: this was his defense. Okay, that was, you know, really
Speaker 1: an interesting attempt at defending those words. Quote, I misunderstood
Speaker 1: a line of questioning that ended up being about interracial marriage.
Speaker 1: Let me be clear on that issue. There is no question.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say racism is bad. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: even be up for debate discrimination and quote I condemn
Speaker 1: racism in any form, at all levels, and any and
Speaker 1: by any states, entities, or individuals. It sounds like he's
Speaker 1: not applying his deeply held beliefs in general. Then you know,
Speaker 1: right right, if he's finding exceptions to the States, then
Speaker 1: maybe there should be other ones. Do we think his
Speaker 1: staff slap their forehead like that? That that was coming
Speaker 1: from somewhere like I, I just I don't want to
Speaker 1: be too easy on not just him, but like the
Speaker 1: country to be like, look at this dip shit, like
Speaker 1: what a what a baffling error like that? I don't
Speaker 1: know this this is the sort of thing that people
Speaker 1: are more willing and in about coming out and saying
Speaker 1: they believe and like, I don't know, like they probably
Speaker 1: saw some backlash before they put the statement out and
Speaker 1: like it. He's very fucking clear about what he's saying
Speaker 1: and that like there's there's no he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: trip into that like that. I think, well, this is
Speaker 1: where I kind of begin to see things, right, Like
Speaker 1: Mike Brown isn't one of these like lawyers who becomes
Speaker 1: a senator. He's like one of these business you know,
Speaker 1: private sector to Senate guys. So he's not he hasn't,
Speaker 1: so I'd imagine he probably got his like Federalist Society,
Speaker 1: you know, talking point email and was having to say
Speaker 1: certain things and then like he's being asked stuff he
Speaker 1: doesn't really know about, and then it's just like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: everything is basically on the table. I'm not to say
Speaker 1: that his staff is like, we're all about inclusivity and
Speaker 1: we you know, we stand interracial marriage. But I think
Speaker 1: on some level, just knowing how the optics of Capitol
Speaker 1: Hill politics worked, they're like, yeah, my god. But the
Speaker 1: Federalist Society, which is a massively powerful and successful, like
Speaker 1: you know, has huge sway over the Supreme Court, Like
Speaker 1: this is a you know, could be seen as a
Speaker 1: like like what they essentially believe, like it they wouldn't
Speaker 1: put that in their email. You're not supposed to say
Speaker 1: it out loud. They're not exactly, but but that is
Speaker 1: like kind of the logical conclusion of some of the
Speaker 1: things they believe. That that part I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he skipped ahead to the to the end where we're
Speaker 1: not a nation anymore essentially, and we we were we
Speaker 1: were we resort back to colonies and independent states and federations,
Speaker 1: you know, and confederationation, but differently held believes. Somewhere, you know,
Speaker 1: you pay people for their labor, and somewhere you just
Speaker 1: take it. Somewhere, you know, you respect land and and
Speaker 1: somewhere you just take it. Some we respect people by
Speaker 1: the autonomy, and somewhere you just take it. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the world that they're they're going for, or
Speaker 1: at least the world where like companies decide these things
Speaker 1: more than than than we the people. I was watching
Speaker 1: Sheldon white House during these confirmation hearing for Katangi Brown Jackson,
Speaker 1: and I never really paid much attention. I never heard
Speaker 1: him or rate before the senator, and he's he was
Speaker 1: very clear about some of what's at stake. And you know,
Speaker 1: the idea of a judicial philosophy as being like a
Speaker 1: bullshit cover for just hooking up your people, you know,
Speaker 1: just hooking up to your special interest. And I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of where the federalist society is all about. There.
Speaker 1: They want the state's rights thing for a handful of
Speaker 1: issues that support wings of the Republican you know, constituency
Speaker 1: and the corporate constituency. And then they're comfortable with the
Speaker 1: collateral damage that were weak on the rest of us,
Speaker 1: you know, in every other way, they just don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sheldon white House when he like literally was pulling out
Speaker 1: receipts and flash cars, but like, y'all want to talk
Speaker 1: about dark money, right, that was what you said dark money?
Speaker 1: So okay, Well, and he even said there's dark money
Speaker 1: everywhere on both sides, and he's like, and we need
Speaker 1: to get rid of it, trust me. But when he
Speaker 1: was starting to be like, look at how much money
Speaker 1: you've been spending on the last week confirmations, it was
Speaker 1: pretty hard at that point for people to keep you know,
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, the Judicial Crisis Network is also has
Speaker 1: a huge hand in all this. But yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: he was. He was very effective with those posters for
Speaker 1: sure to watch that cr T moneo. Yeah, exactly. Do
Speaker 1: we want to talk me Brooks real quick? This just things.
Speaker 1: What did he do this time? It's just all falling
Speaker 1: apart for for Amo, So you know, he goes hard
Speaker 1: for Trump, like real hard, like in a way like
Speaker 1: it's kind of desperate, like and you could tell even
Speaker 1: Trump is like, dude in front of even don't actually
Speaker 1: lick my boots man, right, whoa whoa easy easy. So
Speaker 1: just to put remind people because apparently we did cover
Speaker 1: the this his defense again. So he came out said like,
Speaker 1: are you all ready to sacrifice or blood with six gathering? Yeah.
Speaker 1: That led Eric Wallwell to take him to court and
Speaker 1: that Jan six rally where he wore fucking body armor
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, yeah, I was wearing body
Speaker 1: armor that day. You're like, oh, but you didn't know
Speaker 1: where things are. Okay, no, go on anyway, So you
Speaker 1: were in body armor. You said, you really spill your
Speaker 1: blood in the streets, right. Eric Wallwell took him to court,
Speaker 1: and his defense against any wrongdoing was I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: read these bullet points. Let's hear this defense. Number one
Speaker 1: Brooks is sixties seven years old. There's seven. We're gonna
Speaker 1: read four of them. Number one mob Brooks is sixty
Speaker 1: seven years old. Number two Brooks has never smoke tobacco.
Speaker 1: Brooks does not consume alcohol. Brooks has never experimented with
Speaker 1: or taken illegal drugs, so okay. Five. Brooks has never
Speaker 1: had a d u Y, a reckless driving ticket, or
Speaker 1: even a speeding ticket. Seven. Brooks has been married forty
Speaker 1: five years. Brooks has always been faithful to his wife. Together,
Speaker 1: they have raised four children, all of whom are married,
Speaker 1: none of whom have been divorced, all of whom are
Speaker 1: law abiding, none of whom have ever been arrested for anything,
Speaker 1: all of whom have college degrees and jobs. Brooks's children
Speaker 1: have blessed him with ten ten grandchildren, with two twins
Speaker 1: and another granddaughter on the way. Yeah, good, that was
Speaker 1: that was And why did why did he utter these statements?
Speaker 1: Why did his team issue this because somebody was pointing
Speaker 1: out that this is he's just saying that the the
Speaker 1: d o J was sort of characterizing him in these
Speaker 1: lawsuits were quote fictional, and that's why this was to
Speaker 1: correct the record that he's some out of control insurrectionists.
Speaker 1: He's sixty seven years old, has never smoked a cigarette.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that definitely means he didn't say what
Speaker 1: we all saw him say. No, no, no, That's why
Speaker 1: it's like so sad. Right. He spent weeks ducking process
Speaker 1: servers too, Like it was a long road to this
Speaker 1: where they were trying to serve and was papers. He
Speaker 1: was like ducking out of back rooms doing everything to
Speaker 1: avoid getting served these papers. So that's just yeah, that's
Speaker 1: right now then, so he you know, again he's a
Speaker 1: sent for Trump, and Trump basically said, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: good job on the January six stuff being a total
Speaker 1: you know, seditionist. Thanks for having my back, willing to
Speaker 1: spill blood for me. Also, shout out to you for
Speaker 1: being one of the few people who voted against making
Speaker 1: Juneteenth the national holiday. Yes, we see your see your
Speaker 1: c V. And here is a here's a Senate endorsement
Speaker 1: for you. Then once the poll number started rolling in,
Speaker 1: he could tell that, like the polling shows that like
Speaker 1: a sentient like roll Tide Banner has a better shot
Speaker 1: at office than this dude does right now. So Trump
Speaker 1: has been like been like, oh no, Usually, like when
Speaker 1: he endorses somebody, that's this whole thing, he's like, when
Speaker 1: I endorsed him, they win. But he saw those polls
Speaker 1: and he's like, yikes. So at first, you know, Brooks
Speaker 1: made it easy to give Trump a reason because he
Speaker 1: out loud was like, yeah, you know the thing about
Speaker 1: the election is you know he may he may have
Speaker 1: to move on from that, which you don't say if
Speaker 1: you want that endorsement. And when he said that, Trump
Speaker 1: was like it's really unfortunate that he went. He's becoming woke,
Speaker 1: and now I have to think about it whether or
Speaker 1: not I want to endorse him, which led Brooks in
Speaker 1: a such a like scramble to try and like prove
Speaker 1: his loyalty to Trump. He goes out man, he cuts
Speaker 1: an ad to try and be like, I hate Mitch
Speaker 1: McConnell while he's running for Senate in fucking Alabama. He's
Speaker 1: spending millions to run the TV ad about how he
Speaker 1: hates Mitch McConnell to get on Trump's good graces. And
Speaker 1: I will play a bit of that so you can
Speaker 1: just hear the the desperation or whatever in his voice
Speaker 1: to show people that he is he's on the right side.
Speaker 1: I unveil my pledge to America to fire miss McConnell.
Speaker 1: If elected to the Senate, I will not vote for
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell for leader, and I will do everything in
Speaker 1: my power to ensure that Republicans choose a conservative to
Speaker 1: be leader. America can't afford a Senate leader who is
Speaker 1: a wheak need debt junkie, open border Rhino Republican, and
Speaker 1: who works yet sells out America for special interest group
Speaker 1: cash today, Mitch's cash is coming at me again because
Speaker 1: I'm a principal conservative and have President Trump's endorsement. Not anymore,
Speaker 1: not anymore. Turns out, turns out yeah, And you're like,
Speaker 1: oh right, because the number one issue for your voters
Speaker 1: is Mitch McConnell is a weak need, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: like honestly, Ms McConnell. This this guy's like fucking like
Speaker 1: nos Faratu, Like he cannot he cannot be defeated. It
Speaker 1: only makes him stronger. We saw his body turn blue
Speaker 1: and never can never die. He was net retizing before
Speaker 1: our eyes, and he somehow pulled it together and it's
Speaker 1: still running things in the Senate. And so despite all that,
Speaker 1: Trump's he came out he said, quote Brooks made a
Speaker 1: horrible mistake recently when he went woke and stated referring
Speaker 1: to the presidential election scam. Put that behind you, Put
Speaker 1: that behind you. So what what? Here's what. It's actually
Speaker 1: kind of depressing. We have so much information, so much
Speaker 1: record of who Trump is and how he treats people,
Speaker 1: and how he's not loyal to anyone, everyone, anyone, everyone.
Speaker 1: He will sacrifice everybody, and yet Moe Brooks thinks he's special,
Speaker 1: you know, and like all these people keep showing up
Speaker 1: demonstrating fayalty knowing that it's going to fail, like you,
Speaker 1: so that that's an to me. That's like, that's the
Speaker 1: reason you don't vote for the guy, Like you have
Speaker 1: terrible judgment. You can't stand up. You're willing to like
Speaker 1: chuck and jive in this way and try to like
Speaker 1: attach yourself. The guy is literally stabbing you in the face,
Speaker 1: and you're just like I love face stabbing and that's
Speaker 1: the best kind of stabbing because you can see it coming.
Speaker 1: And then I can prepare myself for the for the brain,
Speaker 1: you know, wounds that are going to come from it.
Speaker 1: And I will do the same for you, the people
Speaker 1: of Alabama, right, and the scars are a lifelong memory
Speaker 1: that you will always keep with You will know that
Speaker 1: I have no spine whatsoever. From get is that what
Speaker 1: he always talks like is that I've never seen anyone
Speaker 1: who the stupidity like comes more strongly off of their person.
Speaker 1: Like that's like he may have never had a drink,
Speaker 1: but like that ship is like whiskey on someone's breath.
Speaker 1: Like the he's just that that is palpable. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen him like in in the January six, but I've
Speaker 1: never seen him kind of relaxed and speaking just attempting
Speaker 1: to act like he's speaking extemporaneously. And man, that is
Speaker 1: that is rough going. And that was him with under
Speaker 1: ideal circumstances. Yeah, the perfect pre recorded, well lit, well mike,
Speaker 1: like they cut the bad parts. Take that again. I
Speaker 1: mean you could have done multiple versions of that, but
Speaker 1: that is a you know, it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: stretch to called Mitch McConnell and open borders rhino like sir.
Speaker 1: That's the other part too, him, Like you really, there's
Speaker 1: so many other things if you're going to be like
Speaker 1: a nativist or some some weird version of a maga,
Speaker 1: you know, deplorable to go after miss McConnell. But just
Speaker 1: like mischaracterizing him completely. It's like, okay, so you don't
Speaker 1: even know miss McConnell is, but okay, you read a
Speaker 1: quick spreadsheet and you're like, okay, here's some buzzwords to
Speaker 1: attach to Mitch McConnell to get Trump's attention. And it failed.
Speaker 1: It failed. He he dropped that one, he dropped that mixtape,
Speaker 1: and then Trump was like, huh, I bet I bet
Speaker 1: I bet Mo Brooks's truth social account hasn't even been
Speaker 1: activated yet, Like he's still on the wait Ye, I'm
Speaker 1: still on the Waitlist's right? I mean yeah, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's number. It's like even like at the very last one,
Speaker 1: it's like it even says, just don't bother come back.
Speaker 1: Never what number am? I just don't forget about it.
Speaker 1: I'll forget about it all right, Let's take another quick
Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and talk about the
Speaker 1: TikTok to Hollywood Pipeline and my favorite Dida and we're back.
Speaker 1: And so, Miles, you put this kind of summary together
Speaker 1: of like where the entertainment industries at between the days
Speaker 1: when the way you got established was you know, your
Speaker 1: parents drove you out and you tried to get booked
Speaker 1: for pilot season or you drove out and tried to
Speaker 1: get booked for pilot season. And now we've got like
Speaker 1: micro celebrities and influencers, and now they're like agencies that
Speaker 1: scoop those micro celebrities and influencers up and like give them,
Speaker 1: you know, manage their careers a little bit. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an industry and transition. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I feel like, just the whole Internet celebrity
Speaker 1: to main or you know, traditional media celebrity is like
Speaker 1: it's always sort of there's always been this tension between
Speaker 1: like how people move between the spaces, and you know,
Speaker 1: early on, we kind of saw the difficulty a lot
Speaker 1: of YouTubers had when they made the switch to TV,
Speaker 1: like our Grace hell Big as someone who stands out
Speaker 1: who like got a show on v H one, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, oh, this is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest sketch comedians on YouTube or comedians on
Speaker 1: YouTube now going to be on v H one, And
Speaker 1: the audiences just didn't migrate. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: most people would look at that and wonder, well, they
Speaker 1: have millions of subscribers and views on YouTube, how come
Speaker 1: that didn't translate to TV? And people begin to realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: platforms are different, the way people migrate between the two
Speaker 1: aren't the same. And then we begin to see this
Speaker 1: like wave of places like Maker Studios or full Screen
Speaker 1: or Awesomeness TV, where these companies were trying to really
Speaker 1: level up YouTube content creators and it kind of worked.
Speaker 1: You know, like these were massive operations that were just
Speaker 1: trawling for views and generating a lot of revenue, but
Speaker 1: then that died out too, and now that TikTok has
Speaker 1: sort of like become this new breeding ground for young talent.
Speaker 1: We're seeing companies now who are trying to get in
Speaker 1: sort of that be that conduit between bigger deals and
Speaker 1: just these younger celebrities. So they're kind of like hype
Speaker 1: houses that we see and here about now with TikTok.
Speaker 1: They're these networks that are dedicated to putting influencers in
Speaker 1: like more elevated productions. You know, it's something with a
Speaker 1: little bit of lighting, a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: using an Alexa to shoot it rather than an iPhone,
Speaker 1: and just liking to just say, you know, getting audiences
Speaker 1: used to seeing them a certain way. And there's this
Speaker 1: company called Bratt TV that there was this box article about.
Speaker 1: They were just sort of speaking with this the people
Speaker 1: that are running it, and this is just an interesting
Speaker 1: way of how they sort of look at what how
Speaker 1: this sort of a company like this works. They say Fishman,
Speaker 1: who is one of the founders of the company. He
Speaker 1: says sees influencers working with Brad is something like a
Speaker 1: first stop in the industry. It brings them to a
Speaker 1: place where they can start having conversations with the platforms
Speaker 1: or the advertisers, advertisers and industry folks that lets them
Speaker 1: build businesses beyond posting short for form content, which is great,
Speaker 1: it's an incredible amount of work. And then he's talking
Speaker 1: about how user generated content is cheap, but there's something
Speaker 1: missing from the media ecosystem, which is digestible entertainment that's
Speaker 1: professionally produced, and just sort of an emphasis on that,
Speaker 1: like we're getting them used to this more professional style
Speaker 1: of production and maybe that transitions them there. But it's
Speaker 1: when you when you look at a lot of how
Speaker 1: these micro influencers are these days, it's almost like they're
Speaker 1: kind of in this lane of trying to do as
Speaker 1: much as possible. It's not just that they're on TikTok.
Speaker 1: It's like they're on TikTok, they have a podcast, they
Speaker 1: have a merged store, they do these other things, and
Speaker 1: it's never just sort of like one thing, where previously
Speaker 1: it almost felt like you're a YouTuber who does this thing,
Speaker 1: let's try and like move you into this way. But
Speaker 1: I think now we're seeing at least companies and agencies
Speaker 1: they see the potential for like multiple revenue streams with
Speaker 1: these types of talent, and I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's, uh, it's an interesting evolution to watch and like,
Speaker 1: what does it even mean? How are they even defining
Speaker 1: success now? Is what I'm curious about, because is it
Speaker 1: like a million subscribers? Is it the most branded deals?
Speaker 1: Is it how many downloads you get on a podcast?
Speaker 1: And you know, YouTube and Funny or Die I think
Speaker 1: gave people away to showcase their talents without sort of
Speaker 1: these obstacles of the formal entertainment industry. But we're just
Speaker 1: seeing this continuation of this trend where there's barriers to entry,
Speaker 1: people figure out how to you know, strike it, you
Speaker 1: know rich on their own, and then trying to see
Speaker 1: how companies can then be like, okay, how do I
Speaker 1: monetize this person now and bring them into this more
Speaker 1: traditional industry. And it's I'm you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: why as I wrote this, you know, Jackie had a
Speaker 1: lot of it, got your got your brain going as
Speaker 1: to sort of what's you know what what's actually happening here?
Speaker 1: And got my old asked brain going because my old
Speaker 1: head thought first thought is like why are there not
Speaker 1: more like young people who start as like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is this person had millions and millions of follows on
Speaker 1: YouTube and then like now they are like a certified
Speaker 1: movie star, Like but it feels like that should be
Speaker 1: happening more just based on you know, how much young
Speaker 1: talent is coming up and like where the young talent,
Speaker 1: like the young talent I hear about there, there does
Speaker 1: seem to be sort of a line between the influencer
Speaker 1: and then like the more established celebrity people who appear
Speaker 1: in movies, TV TV shows there they're obviously exceptions, like
Speaker 1: Donald Glover, Like I first I knew about him from
Speaker 1: his ny U sketch group, and then it does seem
Speaker 1: like it's people who also like immediately get the attention
Speaker 1: of the main stream, like Donald Glover was in the
Speaker 1: sketch troop and then he was like the next thing
Speaker 1: you hear about him, he's writing for thirty Rock and
Speaker 1: then he's like in community and he's like immediately like
Speaker 1: scooped up by the major like agencies. Right, so well,
Speaker 1: I think, but even then, right, people like as someone
Speaker 1: who was also trying to do sketch comedy on the Internet.
Speaker 1: That was the way to be like, well this is
Speaker 1: how we were still had our eyes on the formal
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. It just felt like, well, here's the way
Speaker 1: to get attention to enter that. Whereas maybe now it
Speaker 1: seems like even now the end game is slightly different
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Its younger talent or like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need to be on TV because like
Speaker 1: I can be an influencer to a podcast, make my
Speaker 1: money and just live how I want to. So I
Speaker 1: think there there's probably philosophically some differences on how people
Speaker 1: move because we're still seeing like young people come up
Speaker 1: and be actors and things. But yeah, I'm curious to see,
Speaker 1: like if it's splitting a lot of the attention to
Speaker 1: say like, oh this is this is the sort of
Speaker 1: end point that you want to arrive at. Is this
Speaker 1: micro celebrity and even independently of like you know, normative
Speaker 1: judgments on like which is better TikTok YouTube or like
Speaker 1: being in an Oscar nominated film or whatever, is is
Speaker 1: the fact that there aren't more influencers who are crossing
Speaker 1: over into that just because they're too like that's a
Speaker 1: full time career, that's an even more of more of
Speaker 1: a full time career than being like a movie star,
Speaker 1: like you know, making when you have to make like
Speaker 1: create a relationship with old Spice and like tends to
Speaker 1: that relationship and create a bunch of content for Old Spice, Like,
Speaker 1: is that draining the talent pool that like traditional media
Speaker 1: gets to work with. This is a question that I have.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I aline with this
Speaker 1: idea that a lot of these people don't necessarily want
Speaker 1: to cross over anymore. The place that they're crossing too,
Speaker 1: is getting weaker and weaker with all the debt that
Speaker 1: these entertainment companies have taken on scandals that they have,
Speaker 1: And you see how narrow that funnel is. There's like
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of professional actors and only a handful
Speaker 1: that everybody knows. Like being in an Oscar nominated film
Speaker 1: is still pretty random, but you have to be in
Speaker 1: a certain set, So so there is something more desirable
Speaker 1: about that. Maybe controlling your your fate and your destiny
Speaker 1: and coming up with like different revenue streams and owning
Speaker 1: the audience. You know yourself too. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of what happens as you elevate in the traditional model.
Speaker 1: As you give up the list, you give up like
Speaker 1: they're not the viewers, are not your viewers anymore. They're
Speaker 1: like the viewers of a network, and you have like
Speaker 1: many layers of lawyers and business people between you and them,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them they're really good at that,
Speaker 1: and that's not television and that is a whole another medium.
Speaker 1: And maybe they can make more money on games and
Speaker 1: like launching their own crypto coin and doing an online
Speaker 1: course and having subscriptions, and like none of most of
Speaker 1: the traditional people, I don't know how to do any
Speaker 1: of those things right. So there's you know, there's probably
Speaker 1: still some draw to like be a movie star because
Speaker 1: people like bigger cameras, but I think there's more opportunity
Speaker 1: to not do that and still try to make some
Speaker 1: kind of money without totally. But if that's you, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, that's making our movies and TV shows
Speaker 1: worse because we're not getting extremely talented people because there's
Speaker 1: all those gate keeping and you know, all all those
Speaker 1: lawyers and agents managers that stand in the way that
Speaker 1: make it less attractive than the short form content. And
Speaker 1: that's just not a thing you hear. You don't hear like, well,
Speaker 1: movies are getting worse because of the talent drain of
Speaker 1: all these young I think you just connected something for me.
Speaker 1: So movies kind of have been getting worse in the
Speaker 1: sense that they've been getting more stale, where it's all
Speaker 1: built on legacy. I p. It's like massive superhero stuff,
Speaker 1: and people don't go to the theater because just the
Speaker 1: attention economy, we have so many more choices. So every
Speaker 1: moment I'm scrolling on my phone through a TikTok, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching some highly produced content out of one of
Speaker 1: twenty different streaming services. And that that competition. I think
Speaker 1: that shift in demand shift and viewership, it becomes to
Speaker 1: a shift in investment, and it comes to a shift
Speaker 1: and attracting talent. And people are like, oh, but I'm
Speaker 1: spending ten hours a week in this video game world.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where I invest And so you know, it
Speaker 1: might not just be the talent. The producers, the executives,
Speaker 1: the investors, they're all like, oh, not everybody wants to
Speaker 1: spend two and a half hours in a theater away
Speaker 1: from their home watching just one story. We should we
Speaker 1: should shift that around. Okay, So the whole world's collapsing.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, But I'm even sure. I'm sure
Speaker 1: to a certain point too, right, It like just out
Speaker 1: of survival that it's probably easy to on your phone,
Speaker 1: find a way to enter the middle class, upper middle
Speaker 1: class with justice with a cell phone and you can
Speaker 1: just be you, and on some level, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: is attractive versus like, I'm not trying to be I'm
Speaker 1: not really into acting. I would love to be in
Speaker 1: a world where I have a few talents. If I
Speaker 1: can share them and that helps support me, then that's
Speaker 1: a Then that's a good like to you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I think because you look at if
Speaker 1: you just look at the numbers, you'd be like, well, statistically,
Speaker 1: you're you're more likely to blow up on TikTok than
Speaker 1: you are to be on a on a Disney Plus
Speaker 1: streaming show or Prestige drama or something like that. So
Speaker 1: in a way, it's like, well, that's a like. I'm
Speaker 1: sure for younger people it's like, well, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a pretty simple way to have some kind of financial stability.
Speaker 1: And it might not be so much about like I
Speaker 1: want a million views or whatever, but I can support
Speaker 1: myself doing something like this, and I don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: to compromise who I am to do it, Like being
Speaker 1: myself can be enough in certain aspects. Not many people
Speaker 1: will change their outward persona or whatever for clicks, But
Speaker 1: I think there is an appeal to for some people
Speaker 1: to just say, I just me doing this one thing
Speaker 1: I really like to do is potentially a way for
Speaker 1: me to just have a stable income. And that's that's
Speaker 1: fine enough too. Like we have a list of people
Speaker 1: who succeeded it, like started on online and then succeeded
Speaker 1: at some level and movies and you know, Lily saying,
Speaker 1: Donald Glover, Grace, Helbig King Batch, Bo Burnham. But I
Speaker 1: do feel like they once they made the decision to like,
Speaker 1: you know what now that Bo Burnham is releasing Netflix
Speaker 1: specials once a year, like that seems to be and
Speaker 1: like his movie career like seemed to be his focus
Speaker 1: because that's, you know, takes a a lot of work.
Speaker 1: That super producer back is pointing out Quinta Brunson also
Speaker 1: you know yeah, but yeah, I guess I'm wondering, is
Speaker 1: there the only example I could think of of somebody
Speaker 1: who like continues to do it both places and just
Speaker 1: like the they feed off each other is little nas
Speaker 1: X like just continues to just dominate both traditional music
Speaker 1: and like just be meme. Lord, I feel like other
Speaker 1: other than that, I'd just be interested if we're going
Speaker 1: to see more people who who are that way. I
Speaker 1: think you see some some traditional people they're drawn to
Speaker 1: some of what they can't do, and they try to
Speaker 1: like make it on on a digital platform, like the
Speaker 1: way Will Smith is leaned so hard into YouTube is
Speaker 1: I fin I'm fascinating, And I've see a lot of
Speaker 1: celebrities trying to jump on TikTok, at least from a
Speaker 1: trends perspective, to just maintain their attention. You know, there's
Speaker 1: something that they can get from that that they can't
Speaker 1: get from waiting for the movie they shot last year
Speaker 1: to come out three years from now, and so they
Speaker 1: can they can have a more consistent presence. So this
Speaker 1: is all probably collapsing into a world where everybody who
Speaker 1: does anything performs it and then tries to monetize it,
Speaker 1: which is terrible but also really liberating. Yeah, everything everywhere
Speaker 1: all at once. Yeah, so movie that comes up tomorrow, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess we're not gonna have a chance to talk
Speaker 1: about my favorite dj U, but maybe we'll talk about
Speaker 1: him on yesterday's trending episode. For those of you, that's
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Speaker 1: I guys, but it's been such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you do the show daily. Um and
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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you, listen to you
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Speaker 1: insightful writing. I'm a partner in that. And we didn't
Speaker 1: talk much about it. But google things or or duck
Speaker 1: duck go them or being them or neither of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do it all and pop that acid off, yae. Is
Speaker 1: there a tweeter or any work of social media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Oh um? Yeah. So a friend on Instagram
Speaker 1: shared a video of a four year old who was
Speaker 1: about to have a tantrum and his six year old
Speaker 1: brother helped him manage his breathing and like helped calm
Speaker 1: him down. There's two little black boys like interacting with
Speaker 1: each other when this holistic, healthy calming way. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of like goop, you know what. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like some high end monetized platform. It was just
Speaker 1: like a kid being in touch with his body and
Speaker 1: helping his little brother, you know, reconnect with that breath
Speaker 1: and chill out. And I'm sure the parents were very
Speaker 1: grateful for it. It's really, really, really I've watched it
Speaker 1: multiple times. I love it. I tell you it's not
Speaker 1: grateful as my kids because they never do that. Ship.
Speaker 1: Now there's the bar has been raised. You gotta show
Speaker 1: show him the video right, see how this works? You
Speaker 1: can you can go viral Miles. Where can people find you? Uh?
Speaker 1: What is the tweet you've been enjoying? You can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray the
Speaker 1: other parts the new podcast. Also, you can find Jack
Speaker 1: and I on Mad Boosts. Miles and Jack got Mad Boosts,
Speaker 1: an NBA podcast where you know, it's just a celebration
Speaker 1: of the NBA because we love the NBA and they
Speaker 1: decided that they were willing to take a big risk
Speaker 1: working with us. So shout out to that thank you
Speaker 1: so dumb baby, but shout out to the NBA for
Speaker 1: approving it. Um. But yeah, you'll see that coming up.
Speaker 1: Well obviously you'll hear a trailer coming up soon, so
Speaker 1: stick around for that in the coming days. Some tweets
Speaker 1: that are like first one is from k at k
Speaker 1: LR Will k y l A r w I l
Speaker 1: L tweeted, I love how when people are mad they
Speaker 1: inconvenience to themselves. They'll be like I'll walk l M
Speaker 1: F A O or I'm not hungry, Like it's not
Speaker 1: self torture. It's so true. It's always my favorite one.
Speaker 1: I remember my mom would always call me on that.
Speaker 1: Why don't I'll walk? It's like, all right, get out
Speaker 1: right here, and I was like, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You're right, you win, you win. And then this one
Speaker 1: is so love, followed like two seconds later by you
Speaker 1: win all right, right, and then this one from Matt
Speaker 1: at Matt x I V. He said, new favorite tweet
Speaker 1: from a man he's quote tweeting this picture of the
Speaker 1: guy who's showing a picture of Jamie Lynn Spears when
Speaker 1: she was like maybe fifteen to her now and the
Speaker 1: when when she's younger she has a side part, and
Speaker 1: then in this early in this like current picture, she
Speaker 1: has a part in the middle. And he says, how
Speaker 1: did she move where her hair was going growing from? Oh? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's that qualifies you to be a representative a
Speaker 1: senator from like, I mean, how did she move where
Speaker 1: her hair was growing from? This is a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame of stupidity episode? Like a people human, she's a
Speaker 1: lizard human, but I see what's going on. That is,
Speaker 1: by the way, underrated thing that Superman can do is
Speaker 1: that Clark Kent goes into you know, the revolving doors
Speaker 1: with his part his hair party to the Left, comes
Speaker 1: out has Superman hair party to the right, because only
Speaker 1: Chad's part their hair to the right and only Losers
Speaker 1: part of to the beta SI. Apparently, Yeah, that almost
Speaker 1: never fails if you look at it, if you look
Speaker 1: at depictions of Claire Kenton Superman. Anyways, let's see tweet
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying. Amy Solomon tweeted, almost every movie is
Speaker 1: called deep water kind of kind of feels that way.
Speaker 1: So I was confused when people started talking about deep water.
Speaker 1: I was like, didn't that come out? But I think
Speaker 1: I was seeing a deep water horizon. Yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: feels like it feels like too many movies of the
Speaker 1: deep deep water. So many movies reference deep water the
Speaker 1: abyss uh, come on, let's find a new concept, assholes.
Speaker 1: That's statement, right, Amy Solomon shout Gotta find her. You
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Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, because well,
Speaker 1: it was a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do we think people might enjoy? This is
Speaker 1: a track called wood Trees from a root called Begin.
Speaker 1: I had never heard of them until I started playing
Speaker 1: Grand Tourismo seven and this was in a loading screen.
Speaker 1: But this track, this is again I know, yesterday we
Speaker 1: did some Donny Binet, which is sort of like some
Speaker 1: current music that sounds like the eighties. Begin is also
Speaker 1: doing something like that too. This also has very like
Speaker 1: deep Miami vice vibes. It's just a great relaxing instrumental
Speaker 1: for anybody who you know has a sonic memory of
Speaker 1: the eighties. It's atmospheric, it's kind of funky, and I
Speaker 1: just like this kind of music a lot, especially when
Speaker 1: people you know, in the in our current times look
Speaker 1: to the past and say, I want to honor this
Speaker 1: music into an authentic point. So this this track is
Speaker 1: called wood Trees by Begin. To check it out right, well,
Speaker 1: go listen to that. The Daily Zai Cais is a
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