Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to twenty one,
Speaker 1: episode four of Denitely Like Guy. Used to production of
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Speaker 1: take a deep dive into America's share consciousness. And it
Speaker 1: is Thursday January, which of course means that it is
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Speaker 1: how many teams I fight daily in the streets. All right, well, Miles,
Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 1: very special guest's journalist who went undercover in the far
Speaker 1: right for a year, attending Q and on events and
Speaker 1: speck mingling with straight up Nazis, even spending time with
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys just before the January six insurrection. Please
Speaker 1: welcome the talented, the brave. Amanda, what welcome. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to be here. Yeah, what's good? What's new? What's
Speaker 1: I mean? I don't know what's new. This is the
Speaker 1: first time we're meeting you, so actually, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: just just normal stuff. Finally just being a normal person
Speaker 1: not having to be a secret Nazi on the side.
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty cool. It's new to me. It's right, right,
Speaker 1: right right. Oh yeah, I'm glad. You're glad you're off
Speaker 1: secret Nazi duty for the moment. Me too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what Actually I was going to be like, where are
Speaker 1: you located? Like we normally asked our guests, but I
Speaker 1: don't even want to. Oh no, I'm in d C.
Speaker 1: It's fine that part. Everybody knows that. Okay, it's all
Speaker 1: over Instagram. Oh god, is that was that like sort
Speaker 1: of a moment where like in the like a rom
Speaker 1: com where they're like, but I loved you, you were
Speaker 1: against me this whole time. Yeah, that was the first
Speaker 1: question we all had as rom com fans, as what
Speaker 1: were there any spark? My nightmare is that somebody makes
Speaker 1: a movie about my life and like calls it the
Speaker 1: Last Fascists, and like my character falls in love with
Speaker 1: a Nazi and so you guys are breathing this into existence.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it started as a game and you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't I know, but I love him. Don't think
Speaker 1: about Nick Fuentes. I mean that is that could be
Speaker 1: That is definitely a possible future when once like the
Speaker 1: Right becomes more and more normalized where it's yeah that
Speaker 1: that act league I think is in play, where the
Speaker 1: studios are like, yeah, Mackenzie gives the Hollywood studios reports,
Speaker 1: like you're leaving a lot of money on the table
Speaker 1: by noting about this stuff. Once this kid rock song
Speaker 1: really takes off, they're gonna they're gonna be like, there
Speaker 1: are fans out there, there's unrecognized revenue, and that is
Speaker 1: what matters. Are you actively Are we allowed to speak
Speaker 1: to any work that you're actively doing? Your screen name?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fine. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: came on with a different name than the one we
Speaker 1: were told, confusing us. It doesn't take much. But we're
Speaker 1: like we we were told we're going to meet Amanda
Speaker 1: is Amanda in the room. But you're you're so you're
Speaker 1: still working, your working your spycraft out here in the
Speaker 1: digital realms. So that's cool to see it. Yeah. Did
Speaker 1: you always have the kind of personality that would lend
Speaker 1: itself to doing things like this too? Be like you know,
Speaker 1: one entrench or self in a world that you didn't like,
Speaker 1: or just to be like, um, I can kind of
Speaker 1: be a chameleon. I can get through I can I
Speaker 1: can walk through doors and convince people that I'm into
Speaker 1: the nonsense that they're talking about. Um well, I was
Speaker 1: raised evangelical, and then my parents are both Trump supporters,
Speaker 1: so it's it's not much of a leap. I was
Speaker 1: a libertarian for many years until I actually until Michael
Speaker 1: brown I was murdered, and so a lot of people
Speaker 1: I knew from libertarian world like kind of there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of crossover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. Um
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, and then do you do you
Speaker 1: like pranks like just pulling the rug out from under people,
Speaker 1: like come on, I wish that I could have been
Speaker 1: there when everybody realized, like what happened. I would pay
Speaker 1: any amount of money anything to be able to have
Speaker 1: a recording of that conversation. I mean. Candid Camera was
Speaker 1: a was a failed show or like a mid wing
Speaker 1: show for a number of years until they realized that
Speaker 1: people wanted to see the moment, Like they were editing
Speaker 1: out the part where the prank was revealed, and it
Speaker 1: became a hit once they had the added the moment
Speaker 1: where the person came out and was like there's a
Speaker 1: camera there. There's a camera there, and they're like, what, oh,
Speaker 1: I snabbed the hot dog on a stick guy. Though,
Speaker 1: all right, Amanda, we're going to get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about how kid rock has officially owned
Speaker 1: the left. The right is both getting very funny and
Speaker 1: the left is terrified, but they're also getting really good
Speaker 1: at rap and just terrified. Got like the amount of
Speaker 1: just like really memorable hooks. It's like you're like this, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna check in
Speaker 1: with another Jen six or the just didn't have a
Speaker 1: good day in Core, like yeah, just you know, the
Speaker 1: system wants to go easy on these folks, but they
Speaker 1: make it so hard to talk about that. And we'll
Speaker 1: just be getting Amanda's firsthand account of what these these
Speaker 1: people are are actually like. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: what is something Amanda from your search history that's revealing
Speaker 1: back who you are or what you're up to? When
Speaker 1: does the new keeping up with the Kardashian So, come on,
Speaker 1: there is I'm desperate for it. I need to They
Speaker 1: they said that we have a countdown in the new year.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost February. We don't have a countdown
Speaker 1: to the new show. I I need it. I need
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, is that A is a trash reality?
Speaker 1: How you offset the sordid reality that you interact with
Speaker 1: on the daily basis? Oh? Yeah, I don't watch like
Speaker 1: any television or movies or anything except trash reality TV. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a very similar media diet it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll watch a lot of stuff, but sometimes I got
Speaker 1: to bring it back to home base with some trash
Speaker 1: reality too. I don't know what it is, just some
Speaker 1: light shod in freuda maybe yeah, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: really real life can be awful, but their lives, if
Speaker 1: they're awful, it's you know, their own join. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: have watched early seasons of Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched in years. What What is Like? The
Speaker 1: latest was the last we checked in with Kardashians. What
Speaker 1: was happening where Kim and Kanye still together? Kim Ye apologies,
Speaker 1: Well it was like falling apart and like they like
Speaker 1: work their best and not talk about Kanye and then
Speaker 1: they kind of had to because people you know, like
Speaker 1: are desperate to hear about it. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, they said all this tone death
Speaker 1: tone death stuff during covid WIT vacations and all that,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, like oh my birthday party in Mexico
Speaker 1: or wherever they went, right, Yeah, So it was kind
Speaker 1: of like I thought it was unexpected. I didn't think
Speaker 1: they were going to pull the rug out from under them.
Speaker 1: But I think that the divorce is what's holding up
Speaker 1: the new show. That's my conspiracy theory, um like in
Speaker 1: terms of like they just need to see how that's
Speaker 1: going to play out, like or would like astral World
Speaker 1: probably factor into that too, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they got a full plate over there. I think they
Speaker 1: got so much going on. Wait, is Travis Travis Scotta
Speaker 1: is like character on the show, Like does he factor?
Speaker 1: I would see like but grudging l like but grudgingly
Speaker 1: you know her boyfriend, you know? Are they Yeah? I
Speaker 1: wish part of me like could almost watch it. But
Speaker 1: other times I'm just like the Kardashians. Sometimes there's it's
Speaker 1: like like the m c U where there's so much
Speaker 1: stuff has happened I'm like, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that what's going on with them right now? I can't
Speaker 1: keep up with them. Yeah, and then divorces. I think
Speaker 1: there tend to be pretty like legally intricate affairs, So
Speaker 1: I'm sure like there's a lot of legal stuff that
Speaker 1: you know, they're not supposed to say, but not saying
Speaker 1: it would be narratively kind of questionable. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: sounds tricky. So they just stopped it after that, like
Speaker 1: island birthday party. They were just like, uh, we'll be back,
Speaker 1: but not a little longer than that. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't really like I guess it can't really be a
Speaker 1: conclusion like they're going to be like rich forever. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not like it's like a capitalism ending. So I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what happens with this pandemic storyline
Speaker 1: right right. What is something you think is overrated? Room
Speaker 1: Rader for Twitter account room Rader have I got into
Speaker 1: a beef with on Twitter a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I'm still thinking about, Yeah, what's Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, You're so lucky. You're so It is
Speaker 1: a Twitter account that is dedicated to criticizing or rating
Speaker 1: people's backgrounds when they go on like CNN or MSNBC
Speaker 1: or whatever. Oh shit, Okay, so people have been really
Speaker 1: invested in this since the start of COVID, and it's
Speaker 1: like a weird cult and I made fun of it
Speaker 1: and all of their weird fans came after me. So
Speaker 1: oh and they're writing a book. They're making a book
Speaker 1: about there time reading rooms. Okay, so elaborated, because I'm
Speaker 1: still I'm still trying to connect the dots here. So
Speaker 1: it's just like going to the thread and Tom Nichols,
Speaker 1: the Atlantic contributing writer Tom Nichols, who were all familiar with,
Speaker 1: is on MSNBC and has you know, his own carefully
Speaker 1: constructed me since seen in the background that includes a
Speaker 1: framed chessboard that's just a chessboard, our own worst like
Speaker 1: some books and stuff. It's like, get it. That's a
Speaker 1: great concept for an account because you see what these
Speaker 1: people want to project about themselves, and it's it appears
Speaker 1: to be a lot would be what they want to
Speaker 1: project about themselves because there's some busy ass backgrounds. So
Speaker 1: I would be okay with it if it was only
Speaker 1: rich people. But if you are like a person who
Speaker 1: gets to go on the news because you're a researcher
Speaker 1: or because you make it's something, they do it to you,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well fuck you, you know, like, um,
Speaker 1: let's make fun of the rich people who can afford
Speaker 1: fancy like ship in the background, and maybe not make
Speaker 1: fun of like the grad student who whose paper you're citing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, what's the account exactly
Speaker 1: I needed? I'm what are you looking at? I'm so
Speaker 1: confused though, They're just they're just basically fucking criticizing with
Speaker 1: the background of people's ship. Looks like my Skype room
Speaker 1: is that what is that? Yeah? Room Rader, not Rader.
Speaker 1: I knew that's where your MTVS head was. I was like,
Speaker 1: room readers is back. And then I'm like and they're
Speaker 1: just and and they're just criticizing people who are appearing
Speaker 1: on the news. Oh okay, rate or rated r got it?
Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? Okay? Yeah that is It is
Speaker 1: kind of like, is this is this all you've got?
Speaker 1: They get a book, they have a book deal. They
Speaker 1: offered to send me a copy of their book when
Speaker 1: I made fun of them. Damn you be no if not,
Speaker 1: but now I know if I if it happens to be,
Speaker 1: They're going to give me a zero out of ten
Speaker 1: matter where I am. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The bias is
Speaker 1: already there. And that's the thing. You can never get it.
Speaker 1: You can never get a fair rating with these people. Right,
Speaker 1: That's exactly my problem. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they got
Speaker 1: they got a lot going on. But and they they
Speaker 1: do give real ratings. They're like, all right, I'll just
Speaker 1: give a sample tweet Room Raider rate or update good
Speaker 1: bookcase set up flag sport one copy of his book.
Speaker 1: He didn't make our book, but Carla sher did ten
Speaker 1: out of ten. Yeah, it just seems like kind of
Speaker 1: the In the right hands, this could be very cool,
Speaker 1: and in these hands, it just feels like one Cornell
Speaker 1: grad making fun of another Cornell grad type of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just like four thousand followers. So yeah, no
Speaker 1: killing it, good good idea bad execution. Four out of ten,
Speaker 1: Room Raider, that's what I give you. Alright, what is
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated having your fans on your podcast.
Speaker 1: More podcasts should be doing it. You guys have been
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm really into it. Feel like it's a
Speaker 1: batter week for that, and more people should adopt this policy, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hard to even say, Like I think you're I guess
Speaker 1: you're referencing to the great Appearance of Big Willy William. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: That's like it's even hard to call Willie fan, you know,
Speaker 1: just like it's like it's like he's more like a
Speaker 1: satellite wou tang member, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: Cappa Donna isn't in Wu tang. But yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: quite fair to Willie because I was including myself. I
Speaker 1: wasn't just saying him, I I don't presume that you're
Speaker 1: a fan of oh no, when I hit it? When
Speaker 1: when oh no? Because after how did we interact? Because
Speaker 1: I read your article? Did I did I retweeted or something?
Speaker 1: Because then we started m oh, I followed you. That's right.
Speaker 1: I read your article and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is a good follow and then you d M
Speaker 1: me and you're like, yo folk with this that guys,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the funk? Okay, great, that
Speaker 1: makes it so much easier down Okay. Yeah, always nice
Speaker 1: to meet a fan first of all, is what I
Speaker 1: like to say. Don't make it weird, all right, Just
Speaker 1: don't make it weird. That's very cool. It would be
Speaker 1: like if the WU Tank satellite members were actually doing
Speaker 1: more interesting ship than the RISA and a method man,
Speaker 1: you know, like if ay, I don't know, but but anyways,
Speaker 1: the tank structure is collapsing rapidly. Yeah yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that is like up that. That
Speaker 1: was awesome having Willie on. It's great having you on.
Speaker 1: And our fans do interesting ship that we are interested in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, where everyone's a fan of everyone, you know, fans,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting term these days. We're all admirers, were
Speaker 1: all mutual admirers. Yeah, yeah, m alright, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
Speaker 1: And speaking of fans, where before you know, I him
Speaker 1: a member of the Kid Rocks fan Club. Just one
Speaker 1: of the greats to ever do it. Yeah, just what
Speaker 1: what more can you say than that? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy he dropped a new fucking track called We
Speaker 1: the People, Okay, and it's just a tour day force
Speaker 1: of all kinds of sick ass phrases and hot takes
Speaker 1: in the form of a song. And I guess I'll
Speaker 1: just play well, I'm not gonna play this whole fun
Speaker 1: it's four minutes and there's no way would ever do that.
Speaker 1: But let's just go through some highlights. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: play some selections. This first part is kind of like
Speaker 1: in the opening of the song, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: just letting you know, kind of like, uh, the way
Speaker 1: he sees the world mind you. This is the first
Speaker 1: This is the first lyric that he says when the
Speaker 1: song opens up. Were your mask, take your pills? And
Speaker 1: now I'm a whole genovation mentally what? Oh no, So
Speaker 1: that's clearly a pandemic. Take I'm thinking take your pill?
Speaker 1: What's your pill? Though? That was Is it because vaccine
Speaker 1: shot didn't rhyme with mentally ill? Yeah? I think that
Speaker 1: might be it, you know, right, yeah, okay, but that's definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the rise of mental illness in the country definitely started
Speaker 1: with the pandemic and people wearing masks, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's saying stuff, but he's taking shots at Fauci Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: But he does again want to let you know. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a masquerade as a racist, but I'm certainly not otherwise,
Speaker 1: why would I say this in my song? You I
Speaker 1: don't see that flack whoa that that that's followed or
Speaker 1: usually in conversation by all lives matter? Ye yeah, all
Speaker 1: lives matter? Yeah, oh my fuck you? What the Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's a very like like black lives matter, of course, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And who's this piece of ship? Is this a black
Speaker 1: person telling him black lives matter? I think so coming
Speaker 1: to this person ship, of course, of course it matters, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Like everyone else's like blue lives man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So let's get there. Yeah. I just like
Speaker 1: it's interesting to think about him sitting down to his
Speaker 1: uh like red white and blue mole skin and like
Speaker 1: writing these yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. He's an artist.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so he's like a wealthy person to like,
Speaker 1: let's be real, he's masquerading as like some like poor guy.
Speaker 1: He has money, so yeah, he probably would have a
Speaker 1: moleskey and just writing these phrases that are I don't
Speaker 1: think they're the sorts of things that have been written
Speaker 1: down before, because they're just like things that people shout
Speaker 1: when they get drunk and are angry about nothing. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I want to I want you to hear the
Speaker 1: chorus a little bit, and then he has some fuck
Speaker 1: used to throw out too mc medick on. All right,
Speaker 1: there's another part where I just they he even got
Speaker 1: let's go Brandon in the song. So it's just it's
Speaker 1: really got it all. And then I just do want
Speaker 1: to I guess this is the interesting part. Even though
Speaker 1: he's pushing back against like the liberals and uh, the
Speaker 1: rest of America in the mainstream media, he does have
Speaker 1: a message which isn't just all just fuck you motherfucker
Speaker 1: and suck my balls or I'm not taking your pill
Speaker 1: he does. I just want to point out how down
Speaker 1: to earth it is of him to be mad at TMZ. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've all been miss quoted by TMZ. Or you know,
Speaker 1: we're leaving dinner at a fancy restaurant and TMZ just
Speaker 1: suddenly they're they're asking you questions, and it's just like
Speaker 1: Americans are tired of this ship. We the people are
Speaker 1: tired of TMZ, you know, asking us friendly questions. Every
Speaker 1: time I get expense some gas that Joe Biden has
Speaker 1: made eight doll music. Allen, you know, I'm in my
Speaker 1: pajamas right every time. I trying to live my life.
Speaker 1: And then I also just want to like the craft
Speaker 1: of leaving us hanging when he said, suck on these
Speaker 1: because you don't know what he's talking about. And then
Speaker 1: but then he like slowly reveals nuts these nuts exactly.
Speaker 1: But again even though yeah said, even though you want
Speaker 1: to hold these, I do want to heal the country,
Speaker 1: which is an interesting turn because right after that he
Speaker 1: sings this to the promise. Then okay, little cultish, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very cultish. I mean this. The big kind of
Speaker 1: discouraging revelation from this song is that he, like Trump,
Speaker 1: is not going to let a single like failed political
Speaker 1: campaign dissuade him from running from continuing to pursue politics.
Speaker 1: It would seem that's why I'm running for governor of Michigan.
Speaker 1: Out I forgot about that. Wait is he really no, No,
Speaker 1: he's not running, but he's like done all the talking pain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he about it, and he was like joining like concerts
Speaker 1: and mentioning it. Yeah. Yeah, Well luckily we just we
Speaker 1: just have this terrible, terrible song to deal with. So
Speaker 1: the song is actually going to be president, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's actually the new new Supreme Court justice. It's It's
Speaker 1: We the People by Kid Rock. It's an n f
Speaker 1: t of We the People by Kid Rock is our
Speaker 1: newest Supreme Court justice, and that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: I feel like it does like the the positioning of
Speaker 1: we just have to come together and like criticizing division
Speaker 1: as like the enemy and like divisiveness and like not
Speaker 1: coming together like that that does seem to be coming
Speaker 1: to the new reality is that the right wants us
Speaker 1: all to come together, and so does a lot of
Speaker 1: like the quote unquote centrists like that. It's just like
Speaker 1: the knee. It's like, hey, can we can we not
Speaker 1: be so repulsed by racism and bigot tree That's what
Speaker 1: they mean by come together. They're like, I'm a bigot,
Speaker 1: but like let's come together. And yeah, I'm maybe actively
Speaker 1: trying to do things to just enfranchise you. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you gotta just like make fun of me
Speaker 1: on S and L all the time. Right, come on,
Speaker 1: it's like really unfair. It really hurts my feelings anyway. So, yes,
Speaker 1: just wanted to touch in on that bit of right
Speaker 1: wing creativity before this next piece of right wing creativity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, amandad it any any insight from your
Speaker 1: time with the Proud Boys? Does this Does this channel
Speaker 1: the vibes that you were feeling back backstage at the
Speaker 1: resurgence of Nazism in America. Though Right loved their rappers,
Speaker 1: they sure do. They love they love bad rap music,
Speaker 1: they love maga music. It is really embarrassingly bad. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the music comes on and it's like people live performing
Speaker 1: and you're just like, man, I wish that you could
Speaker 1: just like, can the Nazi just talk again? Like can
Speaker 1: we get this guy out of here? Because it's just
Speaker 1: so awful. I mean, because this is like the best
Speaker 1: thing I would offer, right, because he's like famous people
Speaker 1: who are like performing at like Trump to Rowl and stuff,
Speaker 1: who were just like I guess Kanye do, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you really did a show, that would have been
Speaker 1: something at that time. But yeah, so that's just so
Speaker 1: wild to me. Like I can only imagine where you
Speaker 1: have to go to these events and like listen to
Speaker 1: these people speak. But then you're like, fuck, there's four
Speaker 1: musical acts, Like I can only watch these little girls
Speaker 1: like seeing like third Reich hymns for so long before
Speaker 1: it starts getting stale. Right, Yeah, yeah, but again in
Speaker 1: the movie version of your story, there what you will
Speaker 1: that's somebody will get up and wrapping He'll be like
Speaker 1: suddenly Dreamweaver will be playing in your head and they'll
Speaker 1: be focus and they will have bars. Like the dude
Speaker 1: who was wrapping it at the Capitol on the on
Speaker 1: January six, who shot the music video. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: the moment you're you're at the Capitol and then you
Speaker 1: see the guy rapping and like, holding on a second,
Speaker 1: that's right, I'm like stopped to steal. That's right, Let's
Speaker 1: get this, let's get this ship. Anyway, people who were
Speaker 1: there at January six with you doing doing their thing.
Speaker 1: We we got to meet year old Jeremiah Kaplinger who
Speaker 1: entered the Capitol smash him shipped up, had body armor on,
Speaker 1: but just didn't have criminal intent. Come on, look right stringing,
Speaker 1: my arms are okay, and this body armor is more
Speaker 1: like I'm cosplaying as one of my favorite characters from
Speaker 1: a telegram channel that I come on all day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: his defensive like oh, it's always just there, the look
Speaker 1: of stuff. It may have held up for maybe ten
Speaker 1: more minutes had he not posted like a dumb like
Speaker 1: little Facebook flex post with a Searcy Lanister quote. And
Speaker 1: this post has brought us to the point where now
Speaker 1: where the or federal prosecutors are having to explain the
Speaker 1: plot of Game of Thrones to begin to connect the
Speaker 1: dots for people about what this person's intent was at
Speaker 1: the Capitol. So two days after the insurrection, this guy
Speaker 1: posted an image of a soldier from the American Revolution
Speaker 1: with the caption quote, as said by sarc Lanister, I
Speaker 1: chew is violence. So then and the footnote of this, uh,
Speaker 1: this prosecute the document. They're talking about how this whole so,
Speaker 1: this whole thing happens. Quote. Searcy Landister is a fictional
Speaker 1: character in the HBO television series Game of Thrones. After
Speaker 1: being confronted by a group of politically empowered religious Zelids
Speaker 1: who warn her that if she does not yield to them,
Speaker 1: there will be violence, Searcy Landister responds, I choose violence.
Speaker 1: They go on to say that the footnotes also explains
Speaker 1: that Searcy used quote a weapon of mass destruction to
Speaker 1: blow up one of the largest and most important buildings
Speaker 1: in the capital city, which contained politicians and religious religious leaders.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I didn't even make that connection.
Speaker 1: That is good background. Yeah, and I don't even think
Speaker 1: that guy, did you know? When I read that, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's right, because what was the what
Speaker 1: was that ship called the Night? What that that green
Speaker 1: ship that they used to blow up the Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't talking about whatever. This is how long the show
Speaker 1: has been. And I put it to the back of
Speaker 1: my mind. But I think for them, it's just like
Speaker 1: I like this quote of being like I have a
Speaker 1: buyinary in front of me and I'm going a tough
Speaker 1: guy it out. And then so they go on to
Speaker 1: say quote in stating I choose violence, Sarci Lanister embraced
Speaker 1: and then carried out mass murder to achieve her political ends.
Speaker 1: In the context of Kaplinger posting this just two days
Speaker 1: after January six, Kadlinger's adoption of this quote is alarming
Speaker 1: and provides insight into his mental state and intent storming
Speaker 1: the Capital. I mean, I choose violence with a meme
Speaker 1: by that point, so by like references saying that it
Speaker 1: was Sarcy Lanister, like attributing it to that character, I
Speaker 1: do feel like he's kind of freighting it with a
Speaker 1: little bit of extra when ship posting in your ship
Speaker 1: posts exhibit hey in your federal prosecution, like I'm just
Speaker 1: ship posting man, Like, no, look, really understand what you're
Speaker 1: saying here, oh right, huh maybe in your experience, uh
Speaker 1: being they're seeing these people, Amanda like there there does
Speaker 1: seem to be like a blurring between people thinking or
Speaker 1: at least like portraying it as like they're there for
Speaker 1: the lolls and you know, the people who like we
Speaker 1: got Trump elected as like a bit basically and now
Speaker 1: kind of bleeding into Nazis, like straight up Nazis who
Speaker 1: are trying to overthrow the government. Like what just that
Speaker 1: cosmic gumbo, I guess I would call it of like
Speaker 1: different types of motivations and types of people, like what
Speaker 1: what did you well, what were your impressions over the
Speaker 1: last year. I have every every Nazi, every literal like
Speaker 1: neo fascist white nationalists that I have met, is proud
Speaker 1: of January six. They think it didn't go far enough.
Speaker 1: I think the accounting fathers would be proud of what
Speaker 1: had happened. And they think, you know, like they're willing
Speaker 1: to ad minute. They think that the whole FBI Antifa
Speaker 1: thing is stupid and embarrassing, and some of them will
Speaker 1: say differently um publicly, especially if they're like lower level
Speaker 1: elected officials, but behind closed doors, that's what they all say,
Speaker 1: compared to like this like weird. Like I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: get like people who will tell me many of the
Speaker 1: people that I met were there with all the past year,
Speaker 1: and most of the people there were there on January six,
Speaker 1: and I'll have like, you know, like Grandma's being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a prayer circle. We held hands and prayed
Speaker 1: in like gave bibles to the homeless people. And I'm
Speaker 1: like and she's you know, they'll be like, oh, like
Speaker 1: all all the violence was Antifa, and it's like, what
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You know, So when it
Speaker 1: was actually happening, like everybody was all in. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I was at the Capital, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, like far away, so I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: there really was some giant prayers circle closer to the
Speaker 1: White House, But when I was there, I mean, people
Speaker 1: were all in the point that people were cheering when
Speaker 1: the police were like, you know, having pepper bombs like
Speaker 1: at us because they thought it was to get Antifa.
Speaker 1: They thought it was to get the counter protesters that
Speaker 1: were stopping us from coming into the capital. Um, So
Speaker 1: in the moment, everybody was all in. It's just like
Speaker 1: what has happened? Since that. Hell, you've explained it to
Speaker 1: yourself and others, right, I mean I was at a
Speaker 1: prayer circle at the Capitol that day. We were like,
Speaker 1: we didn't even it was a complete coincidence. We didn't
Speaker 1: even know what was happening. We didn't even notice it
Speaker 1: really because we were so into our prayers. Just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, when and then when Jake put on
Speaker 1: his Viking helmet and like left, You're like, all right, later, bro,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll see you. Yeah, And I remember you
Speaker 1: texted me. You're like, man, that Jake guys pretty Scott,
Speaker 1: He's got some ideas, man. Yeah. Weaver was like a
Speaker 1: lot of intersection with like, you know, like Viking Scandinavian mythology.
Speaker 1: He was really putting me up on. But yeah, So
Speaker 1: you're saying like in a way that there's like two
Speaker 1: levels of engagement, right, Like with the more chest out fascists,
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we did that, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear someone trying to say that it wasn't us,
Speaker 1: because that was like they they're proud of seeing that.
Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, you'll have these like
Speaker 1: older people who are less like if they're there They're
Speaker 1: mindset has just been more like they like that they're
Speaker 1: on more of a benign mission than maybe like a
Speaker 1: militaristic one. Yeah, I think, I mean, like obviously, like
Speaker 1: I think, you know, saying that people that were there
Speaker 1: were Taurus is incredibly disingenuous and obviously bullshit. But I
Speaker 1: will say like those like those some of those tourists
Speaker 1: were just useful idiots that you know, you need bodies,
Speaker 1: you need people, or you can't have you know, what
Speaker 1: you're trying to do. Um And so I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people were very convinced they were on the
Speaker 1: right side and that even some of the police were
Speaker 1: on their side, and they saw like what they were
Speaker 1: doing as like good, and I think they just don't
Speaker 1: have to reconcile with that. I mean, even speaking of
Speaker 1: like Jake, he was at the other Allies and you know,
Speaker 1: families line up and take pictures with him, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think a lot of about like
Speaker 1: those families and those little kids who like took pictures
Speaker 1: with you know, the Q and on Shaman, and like
Speaker 1: what do they do with those pictures now? Like are
Speaker 1: you still happy you have them? Like have you have
Speaker 1: you disconnected this much in your brain. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very it's very strange, and it's um. I would
Speaker 1: listen to people as they would talk about what they
Speaker 1: witnessed at the Capitol, and they would say things like,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw a bus pull up of people
Speaker 1: and they went and changed in bushes into MAGA gear,
Speaker 1: which like, why wouldn't they just change in the bus
Speaker 1: It's stupid already. And then it would be like and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, like one lady was like, I think
Speaker 1: that they were sex slaves. I think it was Antifa
Speaker 1: sex slaves that were drugged up. And I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: just literally any thought and not have stake responsibility for
Speaker 1: what you did, right, And it sounds like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like you know, in built world building and
Speaker 1: paranoia fueling things that I really think about that one
Speaker 1: part of your rite up around Like the day before,
Speaker 1: like everybody was just sort of in this sort of
Speaker 1: stance of like are we about to be attacked? Like
Speaker 1: are we like something going to happen to us? So
Speaker 1: that way, so if we need to project more aggression outwardly,
Speaker 1: like that's just a function of us trying to protect ourselves,
Speaker 1: like So what was that sort of energy like, because
Speaker 1: that really struck me when I read that part of
Speaker 1: how everyone was sort of in this like group mindset
Speaker 1: of paranoia to begin like justifying a lot of violence,
Speaker 1: it was really weird. Um. So the first rally was
Speaker 1: in November, shortly after the election was called, and that
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, there was violence and there was
Speaker 1: some paranoia. But the next rally in December is really
Speaker 1: where it kicked up. And just being around people who
Speaker 1: literally would say to me, oh, you're going to your car,
Speaker 1: you know six blocks away. There's a lot of enemies afoot.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be safe, you have to
Speaker 1: be vigilant, like somebody has to walk you. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't go anywhere alone. And like downtown d C
Speaker 1: is where this is happening, and downtown d C is
Speaker 1: pretty safe in general, but during COVID it's pretty much abandoned.
Speaker 1: So we're the only people there, you know. Um, And
Speaker 1: it was just you know, in November, people were still oh,
Speaker 1: I backed the Blue and thanking the cops and shaking
Speaker 1: their hands, and by December it was you know, the
Speaker 1: cops are useless, they are unable to do anything. You know,
Speaker 1: Blue mayors and every city just let violence, you know,
Speaker 1: run unchecked and the cops can't help us even if
Speaker 1: they want to. And so it was like building up
Speaker 1: this narrative the only people that we could trust to
Speaker 1: protect us with the Proud Boys, Right, Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: like you're you're reporting kind of I guess, I like
Speaker 1: saw the Proud Boys that some other people like crashing in,
Speaker 1: but then they're all all these people, maybe the people
Speaker 1: who were like claiming they were in a prayer circle,
Speaker 1: but they're like not the Proud Boys, but they're they're
Speaker 1: in this like group where they are under attack and
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys are the only ones like they're to
Speaker 1: protect them. Like was like a kind of level of
Speaker 1: I don't know, like the dynamic that hadn't really come
Speaker 1: across to me. That's so interesting because I mean, like
Speaker 1: I've I've had a really hard time consuming media, Like
Speaker 1: I have not followed the arrest or anything from January
Speaker 1: six especially. I've just been busy. I've had to lead
Speaker 1: two lives and that's been taxing. But I also, like,
Speaker 1: I don't I found a lot of the covers frustrating
Speaker 1: and and for me, I mean, that's it out to
Speaker 1: me so much. It's it's like shocking to me that
Speaker 1: people are surprised by it because it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it messed me up for days, like that rally in December.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shut up about it, Like my friends were
Speaker 1: probably like tired of me, you know, I couldn't stop
Speaker 1: telling people, and like something bad is going to happen,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if it's next time or the
Speaker 1: time after that, but this is going to be really bad.
Speaker 1: And then you know, a little cold. It wasn't great.
Speaker 1: January six not so good. I mean, people talk about
Speaker 1: a civil war, like the the idea of a civil
Speaker 1: war has gone from like a silly thing or like
Speaker 1: a like sort of fringe paranoia thing to now something
Speaker 1: that's being becoming like a more popular opinion that we're
Speaker 1: like headed to something that looks like a civil war.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we're maybe already in sort of
Speaker 1: a cold civil war with the occasional flare up. But
Speaker 1: the more like we kind of exist in the post
Speaker 1: January six world, the more it seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff that you were seeing behind the scenes
Speaker 1: is no. It's not a like that wasn't a breaking
Speaker 1: point where people like took a step back and we're like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: that was bad and we need to like learn from that.
Speaker 1: It's like you're seeing those that belief system like become
Speaker 1: more and more popular and widespread, like that paranoia of
Speaker 1: like we're under attack and like only like strong men
Speaker 1: can save us. Like I you saw that in the
Speaker 1: like New York Times Frank Bruni poll of undecided voters,
Speaker 1: Like it was basically unanimous people being like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: like the crime is out of control, and like it's
Speaker 1: because we defunded the police, and like all these like
Speaker 1: far right talking points that have just like kind of
Speaker 1: made their way out. I don't know, it just feels
Speaker 1: like the in that sort of civil war conflict that
Speaker 1: people were saying like would never happen the like I
Speaker 1: I also think that like the mainstream media and lot
Speaker 1: of people underestimate how strong that like proud boys side
Speaker 1: of it is and has like continued to become Like
Speaker 1: what what are your thoughts as somebody who's like kind
Speaker 1: of been there for first and seeing it, well, I
Speaker 1: think it bleeds into like every facet of what we're
Speaker 1: seeing right now. I mean, if you can whip people
Speaker 1: up into a frenzy and convince them that there's enemies everywhere.
Speaker 1: You can get them to do anything you want as
Speaker 1: long as you're like providing a way to protect them.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of what you're seeing now with
Speaker 1: school boards and stuff that you know, I was in
Speaker 1: like little classes being coached on how to like run
Speaker 1: for school board in February of one right, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, using those exact same talking points and instead
Speaker 1: of doing it and a militia or a probad boys
Speaker 1: stree violence kind of way, it's like, how can you
Speaker 1: do this, you know, with a suit on? And that
Speaker 1: is why like CRT, you know, critical race theory being
Speaker 1: such a big thing, A lot of it comes from
Speaker 1: teaching people like this is how you combat this stuff.
Speaker 1: This is like if you don't want to defund the police,
Speaker 1: if you want crime to be you know lower, if
Speaker 1: you want your kids to be safe in school, like
Speaker 1: this is the stuff that you have to do. You
Speaker 1: have to run for office. And like this is why
Speaker 1: I knew UM and U c r T was going
Speaker 1: to be a really big deal because in April I
Speaker 1: was at Trump's arral and a a woman named Landon
Speaker 1: Starbuck whose husband is running for Congress. She was like,
Speaker 1: CRT is what they are teaching your kids, the Democrats,
Speaker 1: to make them more susceptible to child sex trafficking so
Speaker 1: they can like, you know, like traffic your kids, which
Speaker 1: is like crazy, right, Like it's it's so removed from
Speaker 1: reality that teaching people critical race theory is a way
Speaker 1: to make the susceptible to be child sex trafficked. There's
Speaker 1: no like logical connection, but it work because everybody that
Speaker 1: room was like yeah, absolutely and buzz words. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: at the time, I was like, what the fund is CRT,
Speaker 1: Like I had no idea, this is April, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what this is. But that kind of like
Speaker 1: paranoia and fear that they just they just go, they
Speaker 1: dial it up all the way and it makes people
Speaker 1: do like whatever. So it makes them trust to It
Speaker 1: makes them willing to run for office, It makes them
Speaker 1: willing to give their money because they're just so afraid
Speaker 1: all of the time. And I don't see you know,
Speaker 1: in the media, there's a lot of people just they're
Speaker 1: giving like equal equal platforms, as though both sides are
Speaker 1: you know, making good faith, are you ment? And obviously
Speaker 1: that's not true. Well, we just need to come together,
Speaker 1: like just come together, right right on these nuts, come together,
Speaker 1: suck on these yeah yeah, yeah, So I I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know when people are gonna wake up to it,
Speaker 1: because it's it's happening, you know, it's no longer just
Speaker 1: happening in violence, which is bad, but like you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's worse when it's happening, you know, in
Speaker 1: the local election level, where people you can do violence
Speaker 1: like a limited number of times before you're no longer
Speaker 1: allowed to do violence. But if you are on the
Speaker 1: school board, you can do a lot of harm for
Speaker 1: a very long time, right right, Yeah, it's to that
Speaker 1: point of like you know, the ability for someone to evolve.
Speaker 1: I know, you know when we were d m ng
Speaker 1: your to your time, well, like I know, vaccine cop
Speaker 1: Like I was at some like Q ship with this
Speaker 1: guy and you know that and we were talking a
Speaker 1: little bitou Q and you know, like even there, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm also really interested to see like what
Speaker 1: the cognitive dissonance is like in real time when you're
Speaker 1: like in these groups and everybody's getting ready for one
Speaker 1: thing to happen and it doesn't, and you do see
Speaker 1: sometimes there will be like a minority of people who
Speaker 1: make question like, ah, like what now when other people
Speaker 1: just don't worry about it, man, just keep going, keep going,
Speaker 1: keep going. What is that like? Sort of what is
Speaker 1: that process like? And is that even something that is
Speaker 1: potentially that could happen on a wider scale or because like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously those people in the minority, because they're
Speaker 1: the ones who are going to somehow you know, look
Speaker 1: at their situation and try and have a reckoning with it.
Speaker 1: But you know what, what what was sort of that
Speaker 1: like just to kind of watch that happen in front
Speaker 1: of you. So, I mean obviously what I was doing was,
Speaker 1: you know, a self selecting group of people. A lot
Speaker 1: of these cuban On events I went to were between
Speaker 1: like five hundred and twelve hundred dollars to get in
Speaker 1: the door. So if you're like having questions, you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to pay all that money. So what I
Speaker 1: would see more of would be like problems that people
Speaker 1: would have with influencers. So you know, maybe someone doesn't
Speaker 1: like something that Mike Flynn said, or somebody doesn't like
Speaker 1: something that you know, some other you know, lynn Wood said.
Speaker 1: But that being said, the influencers themselves are very good
Speaker 1: at like dealing with that and kind of like trying
Speaker 1: to make those like fears go away. And I have
Speaker 1: found that when things don't pan out, people, if they
Speaker 1: get upset, blame an influencer. So the way like Q
Speaker 1: and on works is that, you know, all of these
Speaker 1: cue drops came out and there's no that's no longer happening,
Speaker 1: but people would bake them and they would try to
Speaker 1: figure out you know, whatever secret meaning they could figure out,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the influencers, uh, you know, would
Speaker 1: speak on these cue drops, so it's easier to be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know so and so's interpretation was wrong versus you know,
Speaker 1: Que's wrong, and there's always you know, some excuse. Lynn
Speaker 1: Wood in particular would say stuff, you know like Q
Speaker 1: is you, and Q is me, and Q is all
Speaker 1: the people who hate child sex trafficking. So you know,
Speaker 1: we don't really need to have any answers because Q
Speaker 1: is what you feel inside, which is like genius if
Speaker 1: you're trying to manipulate a bunch of people, but it's
Speaker 1: also very dumb. M Are there other people that you
Speaker 1: see as like, okay, this is somebody that we're unfortunately
Speaker 1: going to be hearing a lot from in the in
Speaker 1: the future. Like if you heard about this guy Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: He's having a reality show and I think he might
Speaker 1: have a future. Now do you like, is there somebody
Speaker 1: that has a lot of power in that underground that
Speaker 1: you saw that we should be worried about. Well, first,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say I'm shocked about vaccine police making
Speaker 1: national news because that's a weird dude. I mean, even
Speaker 1: how Q went on event, You're like, Wow, this dude
Speaker 1: is extra. So he just tapped into the fact that
Speaker 1: we all want to drink our pea. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking to the nation. Um, Like, I think there was
Speaker 1: one influencer in particular. I was Um, it was actually
Speaker 1: at the event where I first met vaccine Police, and
Speaker 1: I was in my hotel lobby and some random people
Speaker 1: were like, did you want to go to a baptism
Speaker 1: on the beach And I'm like yeah, okay, So they
Speaker 1: put me in their car and we drove like half
Speaker 1: an hour away to go to baptism, and um, the
Speaker 1: guy who was like running it was this guy named
Speaker 1: Brad Barton who had I don't know, like thirty thousand
Speaker 1: followers on telegram at this time and since then he
Speaker 1: has like a hundred and thirty thousand followers. He hosted
Speaker 1: a nine eleven Memorial Day event that featured General Flynn
Speaker 1: and lynn Wood that I paid five dollars to go
Speaker 1: to and I had to bring my own chair, which
Speaker 1: meant I had to buy a chair at the event
Speaker 1: in addition to buying my ticket. Yeah, okay, keep going
Speaker 1: because I have more grift questions. Yes, yeah, I call
Speaker 1: it my b y oc my bringer on chair. Then,
Speaker 1: so I did that. I went to another event he
Speaker 1: had in South Carolina. So he is like becoming huge,
Speaker 1: but he's not really like gaining me like media attraction.
Speaker 1: He certainly is a bigger following the vaccine police does.
Speaker 1: I did get to keep the chair. I was a
Speaker 1: twenty five dollar chair. I got a deal on the chair.
Speaker 1: So okay. The chair is like it looks like a plate,
Speaker 1: but then you twist it, you know those like finger traps.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you like pulls like it kind
Speaker 1: of looks like that when you pull it out, so
Speaker 1: it's like portable so you can put it in your
Speaker 1: luggage when you're done. The chairs were thirty five dollars,
Speaker 1: but the woman selling the chairs. Was like friendly with
Speaker 1: me because I had seen her so many times. So
Speaker 1: she gave me a bargain for twenty five dollar chair,
Speaker 1: So five flighter for the tickets for the chair. Wow.
Speaker 1: And that's like and that's someone who that's like their
Speaker 1: side business. Someone just like I know they're not gonna
Speaker 1: have chairs here, so I'm just gonna set up my
Speaker 1: chair shop. Oh man, gonna really mess your day up. Okay.
Speaker 1: So she sells all this Trump stuff at like every
Speaker 1: event you can imagine, like like Second Amendment or events,
Speaker 1: um like things that trumped around. Like she like donates
Speaker 1: money to Trump at he's blinked out purses. That's a
Speaker 1: Trump on them she's got. She actually sold me. I
Speaker 1: have a hat that says like funck Biden that she
Speaker 1: has sold me at a different event. She's every every
Speaker 1: Q and on or Trump event you can think of.
Speaker 1: They have a presence, her little company does. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she knew it wasn't bringing your on chair events, so
Speaker 1: she ordered a bunch of chairs because she also sells
Speaker 1: them at Trump like rallies when he speaks. So there's
Speaker 1: like a whole side world of like whatever you want
Speaker 1: to sell. I'm always struck by like the black people
Speaker 1: selling the stuff at the events and I'm like, look
Speaker 1: at this just hustling because I'm like, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how many of these people I saw like one video
Speaker 1: a g I was like, I'm just selling this ship
Speaker 1: because it sells, and you're like, wow, what an interesting
Speaker 1: And then you have the people who are like, I'm
Speaker 1: so devoted. I do customed to jeweled pimp cups for
Speaker 1: let's say go Brandon and we got it all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. I do want to ask
Speaker 1: about weaknesses and that, like the scam ability of the
Speaker 1: like supporter base seems to be one potential one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll be right back to
Speaker 1: talk more about this. And we're back, and yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talking before the break about just first of all, who
Speaker 1: we're going to see like rising up and it does
Speaker 1: seem to be just an assortment of scammers, Like what
Speaker 1: what are the weaknesses that you see that like could
Speaker 1: bring the whole kind of far right you know, movement
Speaker 1: that has a lot of energy right now, like down
Speaker 1: or slow it down? I guess eight question. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so hard. I mean I think
Speaker 1: it's got it. There's not like there's not one answer
Speaker 1: for everybody, right, Like you would have to to to
Speaker 1: localize it, make it very like so if you follow
Speaker 1: this person who has these events, maybe you can separate
Speaker 1: somebody from like following that influencer, but they might still
Speaker 1: follow like Q and on. It's it's really hard to say.
Speaker 1: I I think in terms of just like knee happin
Speaker 1: it Like I am an advocate of first line of
Speaker 1: defences banning people from social media platforms because that's you know,
Speaker 1: like number one. But it can't stop there. You have
Speaker 1: to like continue on if these people, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of MLM crossover, a lot of pyramid scheme
Speaker 1: people are in this industry now and secrets to success.
Speaker 1: The secrets is success and how to be more and
Speaker 1: to be a more confident business person. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so funny because sometimes I listen to the speakers and
Speaker 1: you like you can tell they took their old MLM
Speaker 1: speeches and just changed a couple of words to make
Speaker 1: a Q and unrelated. It's it's and a lot of them,
Speaker 1: like I've they've scrubbed their old stuff from the Internet,
Speaker 1: and I've been able to find some things. You know,
Speaker 1: that's older of them actually giving MLM speeches and you
Speaker 1: can brought it next to each other and you're just like,
Speaker 1: it's it's so frustrating that this is happening. So yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like so unlocking your personal power has become our fight
Speaker 1: against tyrannical sexual predators. Yeah yeah, And they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: together and we can unlock that power. That's why. So
Speaker 1: because I mean, yeah, it is clear that at a
Speaker 1: certain point, you're like so many like a lot of
Speaker 1: these people are in there for the grift and also
Speaker 1: just like probably like the ego reinforcement of being like
Speaker 1: I love it. I go these places, people fucking scream
Speaker 1: and like they love me, and I lie and I
Speaker 1: make money at all works. Like what do you think
Speaker 1: the spread the split is of people who are you know,
Speaker 1: trying to ascend, whether through influencing or like these MLM
Speaker 1: people that are like fully bought in, and the people
Speaker 1: who are completely cynical, just scam artists who are like, dude,
Speaker 1: these people are so freaking easy to like builk, Like
Speaker 1: I literally got them to buy their own chairs at
Speaker 1: a fucking event. They paid five you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I'm curious what, because that seems like the weaknesses
Speaker 1: that clearly there are people who are fully bought in
Speaker 1: on in every dimension of like right wing extremism. But
Speaker 1: there's also a very clear group of people who are
Speaker 1: like as a fun I can sweeze a lot of
Speaker 1: dollars out of these people too. I don't know that
Speaker 1: there's a big division. I mean, just think about it.
Speaker 1: If you take any group of people, right, like I
Speaker 1: own a business. You know, if you like, put a
Speaker 1: group of people like anything I voted for Bernie, Take
Speaker 1: a group of Bernie supporters, right or like I like
Speaker 1: I like to hike. Take a group people like hiking.
Speaker 1: You're going to have people who are like business minded.
Speaker 1: You're going to have people who are scammers. You're going
Speaker 1: to have people who are like gullible. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: you know what your basis. And so I think for
Speaker 1: most people, what's happening is they support Trump and they
Speaker 1: support like the cause, and they're just seeing an opportunity
Speaker 1: the way that you would any other like situation. Financially,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many people who were like disillusion
Speaker 1: with like Trump or Maga world who are super involved
Speaker 1: in it. I mean all the other like and like.
Speaker 1: I think out of all the people who are like like,
Speaker 1: I think Mike G. Lindell is a true believer, would
Speaker 1: beyond anything. I think he's willing to like lose whatever
Speaker 1: because he's such a true believer. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that's most people. I think most people are a little
Speaker 1: bit more grounded in reality than Michaelendell is. But I
Speaker 1: I don't really think that there's too many complete nonbelievers
Speaker 1: who are like running running the scam in here. At
Speaker 1: the very least, you know, a lot of them are
Speaker 1: donating to Trump and it's it's public and traceable, and
Speaker 1: so I believe that they are at the very least
Speaker 1: a Trump supporder. Yeah, I mean, you know, the the
Speaker 1: last we checked in from a electoral perspective with this movement,
Speaker 1: like a shocking number of Americans voted for Trump, like
Speaker 1: would And I know, I like, this isn't necessarily your
Speaker 1: area of expertise, but like, I guess my theory is
Speaker 1: that it has only grown in popularity since then, just
Speaker 1: based on how many like people like just a comparison
Speaker 1: of the average person in their opinions on vaccines and
Speaker 1: like the government, and then Trump in general, like it
Speaker 1: it feels like I don't know, I'm very pessimistic about
Speaker 1: where we like what we're going to find out in
Speaker 1: the mid terms. Like, do you is there any reason
Speaker 1: for hope that you're seeing like anything late? Like you
Speaker 1: mentioned that some people are like a little bit more
Speaker 1: on the fence than we might expect, But like, what
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? Are they organizing? Do you do
Speaker 1: you think that we're fucked thoughts? So I'll preface it
Speaker 1: by saying that, like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: there's like more people in this country are not neo
Speaker 1: fascist white nationalists, so like we don't have to lose,
Speaker 1: but we could. Yeah, I mean they're organizing, they are.
Speaker 1: Over the summer, I went to an event that Lynnwood
Speaker 1: was at. Lyndwood had run for office in South Carolina
Speaker 1: and the man who convinced him to run for office
Speaker 1: was a man named Presley Stunts. And Presley Stunts was
Speaker 1: a tea party guy who like is now obviously like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of crossover from tea party into this
Speaker 1: world now and the tea parties whole thing, you know,
Speaker 1: over a decade ago, was run for school board, run
Speaker 1: for local elections, and so he was teaching us about that,
Speaker 1: and he was saying things to us like you might
Speaker 1: be sitting in this room. We were in Greenville, South Carolina,
Speaker 1: so it's not like a big city or anything. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you might be sitting here and you might be thinking,
Speaker 1: I only make nine dollars an how where I only
Speaker 1: have you know, a G E D. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything. How how can I contribute? And instead of
Speaker 1: being like like sometimes democrats do where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Lauren Billbert's an idiot because she has a G E D.
Speaker 1: Instead of being you know, like gatekeeping, he was like,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is listen to us and
Speaker 1: we'll teach you everything you need to know. We can
Speaker 1: help you, you know, like you're here and that means
Speaker 1: you want to learn, and that's what matters. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what your background is, doesn't matter what your job is,
Speaker 1: because you can help change the future of our country.
Speaker 1: Presley Studs let an harassment campaign to bully and terrorize
Speaker 1: the woman who had won, uh like the head of
Speaker 1: the local GOP into quitting, like, harassed her kids, harassed her,
Speaker 1: and it worked and you know, she quit. And then
Speaker 1: I think Pressley was in charge, and now he's dead
Speaker 1: of COVID because every event I went to was a
Speaker 1: super spread event and he refused to get vaccinated. So
Speaker 1: now you know, but before he died he was able
Speaker 1: to like take over um and just like watching all
Speaker 1: of this stuff play out and how it's being planned
Speaker 1: and then coming back into the normal world and seeing
Speaker 1: how like regular people are interacting with each other, you
Speaker 1: know that aren't in the depths of this. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: like how many Democratic campaigns are like gonna you know,
Speaker 1: be like Lauren Bilbert's an idiot. Q and On is stupid,
Speaker 1: you know, Marjorie Taylor Green is stupid. Like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of of rhetoric like that, and that really worries
Speaker 1: me because they are really working hard to like be like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're the party of the people and you
Speaker 1: might be you know, a poor son of a bitch,
Speaker 1: but we don't care. And so I think we need
Speaker 1: to reevaluate well not we, but you know, the the
Speaker 1: people saying is to reevaluate how they are handling things
Speaker 1: and what message they want to send out to to
Speaker 1: people who are voters in their party. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where it makes me cynical right, because the answer
Speaker 1: to fighting extremism is to address inequality, right, and we're
Speaker 1: not able to do that substantively in this country, So
Speaker 1: it's only making the soil more fertile for the extremism.
Speaker 1: And then you couple that with Democrats who don't want
Speaker 1: to actually address inequality in a substantive, tangible way, and
Speaker 1: we've seen how much they're like, hey, man, our strategy
Speaker 1: is just going to be like you're saying to gesture
Speaker 1: at this clown, that's will be like what about this asshole? Though, huh,
Speaker 1: And you're right, that's not that's not a win strategy
Speaker 1: because probably the ship talking that happens was like, well,
Speaker 1: what a Republican stand for? People need to see that
Speaker 1: there's actually some kind of action that goes along with
Speaker 1: a given parties leadership, And if the only thing that
Speaker 1: you can offer people when they're destitute and you know,
Speaker 1: scrapping together in existence is hey, what about Lauren Bobert
Speaker 1: that does fuck all for someone? Does fuck all for someone?
Speaker 1: Rather than saying we need a fucking we need to
Speaker 1: smash that win. A minimum wage to the point that
Speaker 1: you can't even believe what minimum wages that you'll be like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, Actually I want to Now I can. I
Speaker 1: can actually do whatever the funk I want because I
Speaker 1: can live off of being a florist or whatever whatever
Speaker 1: job or you know, whatever kind of gig that you want.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I think that's what really unsettles me is
Speaker 1: to see that the dysfunction is so clear, but obviously
Speaker 1: because of this capitalistic system where in there's no way
Speaker 1: that like the we can have like a true realignment
Speaker 1: and prioritizing the general populace rather than you know, the
Speaker 1: decision makers at the top. Yeah. And then like the
Speaker 1: two things that make me feel the shittiest about the
Speaker 1: country's future are anytime I look at like the Democrats
Speaker 1: and their reaction to like anything at this point, and
Speaker 1: like their attempts to like win people over by like
Speaker 1: you know, criticizing people for being stupid like you guys
Speaker 1: are talking about or just assuming that like just because
Speaker 1: the mainstream media is on their side and like buying
Speaker 1: into like what they say that like that's going to
Speaker 1: like hold any weight anymore. I feel like that's like
Speaker 1: less and less the case. And then we also like
Speaker 1: look at the other side, and they have like the
Speaker 1: they have like American exceptionalism and you know, white supremacy
Speaker 1: and violence, like open violence on their side, like those
Speaker 1: are all pretty potent in American history. So that's those
Speaker 1: are the reasons I'm feeling bad today. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: anything at the end of the day, what we see
Speaker 1: constantly though, when people are you know, on the on
Speaker 1: the more optimistic side of things, when people's backs are
Speaker 1: against the wall, like we're seeing some kind of push back,
Speaker 1: whether that's people trying to get organized to do what
Speaker 1: they can to have a more you know, equitable existence
Speaker 1: without completely outside of the power structures of like elected politicians.
Speaker 1: So there's that, Like I do count on human nature
Speaker 1: to prevail on some level, but I don't know that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it's going to game out in electoral math,
Speaker 1: which I think that's where probably on the precipice of
Speaker 1: a very significant like societal shift again and as if
Speaker 1: the pandemic weren't enough, Yeah, well, one of the things
Speaker 1: that makes me hopeful, on the other hand, is seeing
Speaker 1: people do brave ship like go undercover with these Violet
Speaker 1: maniacs and like actually like do the hard reporting that
Speaker 1: I personally am too much of a hour to do.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you're doing it. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on the show, Amanda, Where can people kind of
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that good stuff? And then
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at No Turtle Soup seventeen, and then
Speaker 1: I'll have some more articles coming out I guess in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks about my time undercover. Nice
Speaker 1: Is there a tweet or some other work of social
Speaker 1: media that you've been enjoying. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: be't enjoying it, but I've been thinking about it since
Speaker 1: I saw it last night, and I can't stop thinking
Speaker 1: about it. So it's from Isabel stand O Ball who
Speaker 1: says it's she's responding to somebody asking what's the weirdest
Speaker 1: celebrity interaction you've ever had? And she says, I took
Speaker 1: a pick of Mark Ruffalo on the subway while he
Speaker 1: was taking pics of my shoes, which he then posted
Speaker 1: on Instagram, and um, I just yep, yes, so it's hot.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he does on Instagram. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can tell you I did not go look at
Speaker 1: his Instagram, but she posted a screen shot of him
Speaker 1: putting her feet up on up on Instagram. M okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Mark, see later later, Brea, alright, I'm my
Speaker 1: head on out miles. Where can people find you? What
Speaker 1: is the tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. And also,
Speaker 1: if you like trash TV to get you get your
Speaker 1: heart pumping blood through your rotten corpse like me, check
Speaker 1: out four twenty day Fiance with Sophia Alexander and I
Speaker 1: where we love to watch ninety day fiance and married
Speaker 1: a first Sight and all that nonsense. Um some tweets
Speaker 1: I like, Since we're talking about celebrity interactions, let's do
Speaker 1: a positive one. This is from first at hipster crist
Speaker 1: Lauren Montery tweeted, tell me the strangest interaction that you've
Speaker 1: had with a celebrity and at lucid J replied. Once
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand was on my ferry rights to Alcatraz,
Speaker 1: and I said hi, My six year old autistic son
Speaker 1: came over and started talking his ear off of about
Speaker 1: German shepherds, his obsession at the time. Andre talked to
Speaker 1: him about dogs for like twenty minutes. We exchanged numbers.
Speaker 1: Four years later, I got this text and It's a
Speaker 1: screen cap that says, Hi, Jason, I was searching for
Speaker 1: a name and yours popped up. I remember our cool
Speaker 1: encounter on the boat. How's the kid. I'm living in
Speaker 1: NYC now, So if you're ever here, please reach out.
Speaker 1: That better be real. That better fucking real. That's the
Speaker 1: greatest thing I've ever heard. I mean, because we do here,
Speaker 1: we do hear how like you know, personal like Andre
Speaker 1: is like out there, like you know, always this kind
Speaker 1: of blessing people with wonderful experiences. So, you know, shout
Speaker 1: out Jason and another one. I just want to point
Speaker 1: out this froe at Molly Taft. Molly Taft tweeted a
Speaker 1: screen cap so it says media ceo, We're doing a
Speaker 1: series on salary transparency. Same media ceo. Wait, no stop
Speaker 1: asking about no, wait, no, stop asking about mine. So
Speaker 1: Nicholas Carlson tweeted, uh, he's like Insiders, launching a series
Speaker 1: that demystifies people's salaries, and we need your help. At
Speaker 1: Beck Peterson asks what is your salary? Nick? He replies,
Speaker 1: fun question I'd rather not say publicly for lots of
Speaker 1: practical reasons. I'm sure you can imagine. This feels a
Speaker 1: little wimpy, but also prudent. I think I would submit
Speaker 1: it to some third party. I could stressed to keep
Speaker 1: an anonymous and average it with other people's roles like mine.
Speaker 1: Fun questions, fun question question, that's great. That's a great
Speaker 1: thing to say when you've just been fucking owned. Just
Speaker 1: how do I plead? Plead is such a funny word.
Speaker 1: Just chest pass it right back? All right? What's your Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fun one. Damn right. Fuck, I
Speaker 1: hope that's true. All right, Let's see a couple tweets
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying in honor of International Day. I want
Speaker 1: to call it this tweet from a couple of days back.
Speaker 1: Hot girl mess at alar Via tweeted, people in l A,
Speaker 1: I'm staying away from carbs in the sugar. People in Chicago,
Speaker 1: Portillo's chocolate cake is the best because they put mayonnaise
Speaker 1: in the batter to make it denser, and I love
Speaker 1: port Charlie James tweeted, I would like to take part
Speaker 1: in a scheme, not a pyramid one, just a little
Speaker 1: heist or something. So anybody who's got one of those
Speaker 1: going on, I don't know, you know, reach out to you.
Speaker 1: Can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Brian.
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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off
Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: this is uh. This one's called Boys with Toys and
Speaker 1: it's a it's like this. The sample was used in
Speaker 1: this Swizz Beats track with the Locks that I really like.
Speaker 1: It's called some dirty but hearing this brass sample, it's
Speaker 1: really cool. Just track from like you know, this is
Speaker 1: from like a compilation of like obscure sample tracks that
Speaker 1: I found, but it's by Gap Mangione. What they're putting
Speaker 1: there for the artist. But yeah, if you like some
Speaker 1: brass music, you like something that feels a little you know, throwbacky,
Speaker 1: just check this out for a little texture. This is
Speaker 1: Boys with Toys. Oh right, well go check that out.
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