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Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles grag I thought I saw him shopping.
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Speaker 1: we are thrill fortunate, blessed to be joined in our
Speaker 1: third seat by two brilliantly talented artists, a documentary filmmaker
Speaker 1: and a writer actress comedian who have teamed up to
Speaker 1: make the hit podcast Was I in a Cult? Please
Speaker 1: welcome Tyler me some and Liz. I accusing Tyler, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: we have to sing to I didn't come prepared with
Speaker 1: a song. I mean, if you'd like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you have a more of a dancer. Oh okay, we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't mind that. Come on, start dancing that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got honey in those hips. Yeah, I got a
Speaker 1: white white man over by with my dance until I
Speaker 1: draw blood on my lower lips. Trust me, you don't
Speaker 1: want to see that. What's the I don't think i've
Speaker 1: heard that white man over by? Oh come on, you
Speaker 1: know when you Yeah? Yeah, so hard indelible marks in
Speaker 1: my bottom of it is very cool. It's a cool look.
Speaker 1: Yeah that we all have wear it. You guys are
Speaker 1: in the old studio where we used to record daily zygist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you want us to do anything to the
Speaker 1: seats or do you want us to like just fart
Speaker 1: in them that we can bless them? There ritual you
Speaker 1: guys did before, just a deep exasperated side at the
Speaker 1: reality that we were going to have to comment on
Speaker 1: every day. But other than that, it still smells of depression.
Speaker 1: So thanks for leaving that stench. So you guys host
Speaker 1: create the podcast? Was I in a cult? And I
Speaker 1: think you know the title gives a sense of the
Speaker 1: subject matter, but I just wanted to read a quote
Speaker 1: from a recent episode to give people like a flavor.
Speaker 1: You guys were talking about a guest who spoiler Alert,
Speaker 1: was in a cult, was also an actor and Saved
Speaker 1: by the Bell was dating a power ranger and Tyler.
Speaker 1: You have Liz referring to that era of television. I
Speaker 1: was watching He Man and the Masters of the Universe?
Speaker 1: Did she suck any of them? Which was a great
Speaker 1: moment and I think gives a good flavor of how
Speaker 1: fun your podcast? Yea, yeah, I really love the show
Speaker 1: some people pick up thanks for finding that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just say it's not a completely serious show. It's
Speaker 1: not completely serious. You guys cover very serious subject matter,
Speaker 1: but you have a lot of fun doing it and
Speaker 1: it's a fun show. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, alright, Well we're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you guys. Did apparently she
Speaker 1: didn't suck Man Man? Yeah, you said you were going
Speaker 1: to ask at that moment, But follow up, Liz, follow
Speaker 1: up on that. It's in my draft. There was a
Speaker 1: question that was on all our minds, like, you know
Speaker 1: that's that is a journalist And then it makes google
Speaker 1: who was the man behind the voice of female? Did
Speaker 1: you do right? Um? You know I do. I do
Speaker 1: have a friend who was who was Barney for a while.
Speaker 1: He was the man inside the purple suit and he
Speaker 1: went on a national tour of Barney, and this was
Speaker 1: years ago, back when Barney was more of a rage
Speaker 1: and he goes, I can't tell you how many how
Speaker 1: many women want to fuck Barney? He said it was
Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world, like going into Sam
Speaker 1: Barney and they would just want to fuck Barney. I
Speaker 1: only wanted to suck Bozo. You know that's my thing. Wow,
Speaker 1: you wanted to fuck Bozo? Now? You know those shoes
Speaker 1: are big? Yeah. The Bozo just seemed like he was
Speaker 1: the you know, the last of the of the clowns.
Speaker 1: Like I think he hit a generation that was already
Speaker 1: terrified of clowns and in which clowns no longer made sense.
Speaker 1: But he was still out there on national TV, or
Speaker 1: he was on like the Chicago that local Chicago Go
Speaker 1: channel because I'm from Chicago. There you go, there it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just terrified of Bozo and developed some light
Speaker 1: color phobia. Man. All right, well, we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell the listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We're gonna talk about Ted Cruz, his oopsie
Speaker 1: that he made where he had to go on Tugger
Speaker 1: Carlson's show and apologize and be addressedness and uh yeah, big,
Speaker 1: big forgiveness. We're gonna talk about that in the context
Speaker 1: of like what what is going on in general with
Speaker 1: the Republican Party, with the maybe even the Q and
Speaker 1: On movement, and you know, you guys do a podcast
Speaker 1: about colts. We would love your insight into what we're
Speaker 1: looking at here. This all seems to end well, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so smoiler alert, it ends just great. Yeah, alright, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: through that sleep well tonight. Or take a look at
Speaker 1: the films set in the year twenty two, So not
Speaker 1: the movies coming out this year, the movies that came
Speaker 1: out already and had some things to say about the
Speaker 1: year twenty two. Uh, and we'll just you know, ask
Speaker 1: the question how how close did they get? And also
Speaker 1: just curious to hear thoughts on is there a movie
Speaker 1: future that you guys think really really nailed it? Tyler.
Speaker 1: You're a filmmaker, I believe, is how it's pronounced. Filmmaker.
Speaker 1: So you've heard of these things, right, film movies, So
Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first before we get
Speaker 1: to any of that, we do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that is revealing
Speaker 1: about who you are. Let's let's take a gander here.
Speaker 1: I recently looked up insulated mugs. Okay, exactly what what
Speaker 1: are we looking at? Well? I wanted to just get like,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of different brands m and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different price points, and I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what's the best, the best one. Also
Speaker 1: looked up flew Orona because somebody mentioned that's a thing,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's the thing out there. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: what did I look up this morning? Funny words for penis? Oh?
Speaker 1: Because you knew you were coming on this podcast, you
Speaker 1: want to have names for you guys? Yeah? Yeah, Wait,
Speaker 1: what's the wait? Why? Why? In my mind, it's like,
Speaker 1: unless it's something specific, it's an odd thing for me
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, what are some fun names
Speaker 1: for penises? I feel like I think just as like
Speaker 1: a gross dude, I'm like, I think I know them
Speaker 1: all well in a way, there's way too many. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what what were you looking for? Something specific?
Speaker 1: Or you're just kind of like, let's what are some
Speaker 1: what are some new what's some new words at a moment,
Speaker 1: I'll just think of calling it a chick, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 1: I was looking at a fun for writing for the show.
Speaker 1: It was like, what is another word for penis? So
Speaker 1: I did a deep dive. The best source I found
Speaker 1: was urban Tisaurus dot org than giving. Urban Tisaurus had
Speaker 1: some nice words. One was a sweetest which I really liked,
Speaker 1: which is a sweaty penis, and then you know your
Speaker 1: tip of and most of them were just once you've
Speaker 1: heard Frank and Bean's twig and berries type of right, right, Zob,
Speaker 1: I'm just live. Pork sword. Pork sword was there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Monty Python had a good song about names for your penis.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. Do you remember? Very nice to
Speaker 1: have a penis? Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong?
Speaker 1: It swelled to own a stiffy is divined to own
Speaker 1: a prick, from the tiniest sill attacker to the world's
Speaker 1: biggest dick. So three tiers for your Willie or John Thomas,
Speaker 1: hooray for your one eyed trousers snake. You're a piece
Speaker 1: of pork, your wife's best friend, your pulsy or your cock.
Speaker 1: You can wrap it up in ribbons. You can stick
Speaker 1: it in your sock, but don't take it out in
Speaker 1: public where they will stick you in the dock and
Speaker 1: you won't come about. And that's Tyler's theme song. There's
Speaker 1: my song, Monty Python ditty about penises. It does seem
Speaker 1: like there's extra energy from either emphasizing the tininess or
Speaker 1: the size right trousers, snake or or prick. Seems like
Speaker 1: it's like a pin prick soup can, soup can, There
Speaker 1: you go. Chicago Tribune did like a look back at
Speaker 1: the history of the of the cock. Yeah, pin was
Speaker 1: one of the earliest ones. I wouldn't want to be
Speaker 1: the model for that. Yeah, what does that look like?
Speaker 1: A needle point inspiration? Oh? Interesting, It's okay, that's funny. Yeah, Tyler,
Speaker 1: What what is something from your search? I mean looking
Speaker 1: at mine, you know, outside of like researching cults, which
Speaker 1: is common and often and I'm sure I'm on some
Speaker 1: weird flag in the FBI somehow, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to perfect my my pancake making. So there's recipes
Speaker 1: for pancakes, um, and then I've got one where I
Speaker 1: I looked into when spring training starts for baseball, because
Speaker 1: I'm a baseball fan and it's I'm high time for
Speaker 1: some baseball. Who's your team? I'm a Cubs fan, big, big,
Speaker 1: die hard junkie Cubs fans, so nice. What So do
Speaker 1: you tell me about the pancakes? Because I like pancakes
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I like to make them. I
Speaker 1: liked to I was recently on a like an airbnb
Speaker 1: where there was no spatulas, and I was making pancakes,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize I would have to use like
Speaker 1: a combination of a fork and a spoon to flip
Speaker 1: my pancakes. But I'm curious to see what what what?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you read like new recipes
Speaker 1: like we're talking Sioux Flay pancakes? What kind of pant Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the first and foremost, you know, don't use
Speaker 1: any pancake mix. It's it's ridiculous that you don't need
Speaker 1: pancake mix. It's pancakes or flour, a little baking soda
Speaker 1: sometimes big and powder. I like to put a little
Speaker 1: bit in powder, but you can put so many great
Speaker 1: things in it, you know. I'm experimenting that with goat
Speaker 1: cheese and or bananas and a lot of fruits or
Speaker 1: sometimes some vegetables in there. I make a different pancake
Speaker 1: almost every day, and of course I have a three
Speaker 1: year old who loves pancakes and wakes me up and says,
Speaker 1: I want pancakes. But we try all kinds of different recipes.
Speaker 1: This morning's was goat cheese time and raspberries with a
Speaker 1: little bit of vinegar and a buttermilk butter milk. So
Speaker 1: I make my own buttermilk with butter and vinegar and
Speaker 1: then and then cinnamon and a touch of vanilla. Is
Speaker 1: is your three year old like the reincarnated Jonathan gold spoiled?
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't imagine being a kid and being
Speaker 1: eating something with time in it at all. Like I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know. He doesn't very refined palate. Because do
Speaker 1: you have a what one like tip for other than
Speaker 1: not using the mix? Like is there? For instance, I've
Speaker 1: heard that when the bubbles start appear, and that's when
Speaker 1: you flip. That's when you flip. Don't flip too much.
Speaker 1: Don't mix it too much because if you mix it,
Speaker 1: it's okay to have some lumps, because if you mix
Speaker 1: it too much, it becomes too dance and it doesn't fluffy. Also,
Speaker 1: a good tip is separate your egg whites and beat
Speaker 1: the yolks and put them in and then beat the
Speaker 1: egg whites until they peek, and then fold those in
Speaker 1: at the end right before you put it on the grill.
Speaker 1: And that but don't beat it too much because it'll
Speaker 1: it'll go flat. That's really fluffy pancakes. Okay, you're all
Speaker 1: invited for breakfast. Yeah, that sounds incredible. And then for topping,
Speaker 1: you're just going straight up syrup or what's your Yeah,
Speaker 1: but real maple. Maple can't do ante, mama, or now
Speaker 1: it's called like the old pearl comp or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right. Or a good tip is cream a little
Speaker 1: creamy peanut butter. Mix some creamy peanut butter in with
Speaker 1: the syrup, and then a touch of vanilla in there too. Fantastic.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm I'm sorry. I'm coming over like ten
Speaker 1: minutes ago, Tyler, I'm hungry. I have found that my
Speaker 1: kid I have a three year old as well and
Speaker 1: a five year old, and the stuff that used to
Speaker 1: work on me is like they're just like not into it,
Speaker 1: Like they don't like jello. I just learned because they
Speaker 1: were sick for a little bit, and like jet They
Speaker 1: were just like, oh what, why would I like Jello?
Speaker 1: Like they don't like Jello? Like what kid doesn't like Jello?
Speaker 1: I know that's what I was. Okay, good, Yeah, Tyler's
Speaker 1: your kid be Jello? You know Jello. I can't say
Speaker 1: that we've had jealous so I don't know. Okay, but
Speaker 1: if you did, you would kill the cow and make
Speaker 1: your own exactly out of bom the ground. Yeah wait,
Speaker 1: what about pudding cups? I feel like it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: wouldn't a child like pudding cup in my mind? When
Speaker 1: melted ice cream? Yeah no, no, they like put it. Okay,
Speaker 1: but the Jello is just but Jello was We hadn't
Speaker 1: really fucked with Jello until they were sick. And I
Speaker 1: was like trying all the things that used to work
Speaker 1: on me when I was sick, like salteam Crackers. I
Speaker 1: was like, I loved to salteam Cracker because you know,
Speaker 1: I was starting and it was the only thing my
Speaker 1: stomach would keep down. And not only did they not
Speaker 1: like it, but they like used it to create like
Speaker 1: impossible to clean up mess, to like teach me a lesson.
Speaker 1: It was like to the side, like to the size
Speaker 1: of like glitter particles where it's impossible to clean. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of surprised Jello and putting it still out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: build cast ban went in the jails. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think they keep to like snack pack. You know,
Speaker 1: they know they've Swiss myths, they got their new ways
Speaker 1: of calling it wouldn't right. Nobody's putting the putting in
Speaker 1: the pudding apps anymore. I know. That's what is something
Speaker 1: you guys think is overrated. This is not a popular topic,
Speaker 1: but as a documentary filmmaker, I think is overrated. Is
Speaker 1: the Apple Get Back series on the Beatles that Peter
Speaker 1: Jackson did. Wow, Okay, not because it's the Beatles. Love
Speaker 1: the Beatles and I loved the footage. I just think
Speaker 1: somewhere he's gonna hate me and hear about this. But
Speaker 1: I think they handed it to the wrong person. I
Speaker 1: think that Peter Jackson shouldn't have done that documentary. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I've only seen like clips and even and I'm not
Speaker 1: the biggest Beatles fan. Was like, okay, I get I
Speaker 1: get white people. If you liked it, you or you're
Speaker 1: into the Beatles, you'd want to watch it. But as
Speaker 1: a documentarian what you know, what what? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What could have been done better? Well? I think it
Speaker 1: was long and unwieldy, and they played that line between
Speaker 1: people who love the Beatles and will watch anything, because
Speaker 1: there are people who will watch anything of the Beatles, right,
Speaker 1: that's like me and Star Wars stuff. Sure, But then
Speaker 1: they also put in, you know, a very simple and
Speaker 1: silly elemental thing at the beginning to explain who the
Speaker 1: Beatles are, which is just it was just stupid that
Speaker 1: they had to do that. And then they put eight
Speaker 1: hours of intense material of you in the studio and
Speaker 1: look that footage is fucking amazing and the music is amazing.
Speaker 1: And there's one moment when you're literally watching Paul McCartney
Speaker 1: come up with let it be as if the Muses
Speaker 1: sitting on his shoulder, and it's like watching you know,
Speaker 1: Picasso paint. It's remarkable. And the third of the last
Speaker 1: episode is unbelievable. But by and large it's just wheeldy
Speaker 1: over wheeldy and long and tiring and you know, trying
Speaker 1: to play two sides and poorly edited. But the third
Speaker 1: episode knocks it out of the park. Oh nice, that's
Speaker 1: the one I didn't get too so I will watch
Speaker 1: that one then except for it. But yeah, the first
Speaker 1: couple felt a little long. I was like, I think
Speaker 1: I get it right, right, I'm still here right, and
Speaker 1: that criticism, you know, because I've Tyler, I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of your work, man, I've I loved Murder among the
Speaker 1: Mormons and an honest liar, and like, I've so im.
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, what, tell me, tell me
Speaker 1: where could have gone different? I mean, I think what
Speaker 1: he did is he took advantage of the fact that
Speaker 1: this is amazing footage and didn't need to cut it
Speaker 1: and didn't need to cut it back and just say
Speaker 1: I'm just going to show all of it, which a
Speaker 1: lot of people would probably want that. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's why we have editors, and I think you know,
Speaker 1: Peter Jackson is a great filmmaker, but sometimes his movie
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little long and unwieldy as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: I recall I recall a film like a few. It
Speaker 1: also might just be a bit of scorn from me
Speaker 1: from as a documentarian, you know who loves doctrmaries, and
Speaker 1: we worked really hard to make documentaries and in a
Speaker 1: trend that we're seeing in the documentary space right now
Speaker 1: is giving documentaries to fiction filmmakers, right and and and
Speaker 1: now it's actually, you know, fiction filmmakers are doing films
Speaker 1: like Edgar Right and Quest Love and uh, I forget
Speaker 1: his name that I just read to date. So a
Speaker 1: lot of times we're seeing us as people who this
Speaker 1: is our our trade being pushed out by people like
Speaker 1: Peter Jackson, who doesn't really need to make a documentary.
Speaker 1: God sakes, someone's got to give that guy a shot
Speaker 1: getting all the good stuck. Did you feel the same
Speaker 1: way about the Velvet Underground documentary? Oh, that one was
Speaker 1: actually really clever and very interesting and unique. Todd Haynes
Speaker 1: did that. Yeah, I thought that was amazing. And he
Speaker 1: did use that too, you know, he brought something fantastic
Speaker 1: to that, and I appreciate that. Agreed, Liz, what is
Speaker 1: something that you think is overrated? I'm gonna go with coffee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I just ruined everybody's more like mine was unpopular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think coffee's overrated. I think Macha is underrated. And
Speaker 1: I switched to much about five years ago and completely
Speaker 1: not not to be whatever, but it did completely change
Speaker 1: my life and what sort of the yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: be a go off, be a you know, uh an
Speaker 1: evangelist for much really quick, what's the biggest different or
Speaker 1: what's the benefit that you saw from going from coffee
Speaker 1: to watch coffee. First of all, I don't know, if
Speaker 1: you know, everybody reacts differently to the caffeine and the coffee.
Speaker 1: But it just jittered me out and I would get
Speaker 1: really high and then i'd have that crash and then
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to just keep chugging coffee
Speaker 1: all day long, right, and so it just made me anxious,
Speaker 1: and I didn't love it, but I do love that
Speaker 1: morning drink. I'm like, I'm my morning drink is like
Speaker 1: my thing. That's what I need to get going. And
Speaker 1: so I researched and I heard about Macha briefly, and
Speaker 1: I started to make my own concoctions and this whole
Speaker 1: mushroom movement, you know, I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 1: about medicinal mushrooms. Yeah, I've been doing that for five
Speaker 1: years too. I've experimented with all these different formulas, if
Speaker 1: you will. And the caffeine boost of mauch is way different,
Speaker 1: like it sort of gets you up and it's like
Speaker 1: brain alertness, and it sort of keeps you at this
Speaker 1: level where you don't have that crash and you don't
Speaker 1: need another caffeine jolt for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: It's super healthy for you. I felt like I my
Speaker 1: skin changed. I'm not even joking, like my face totally changed.
Speaker 1: It has so many more health benefits than coffee. Mm hmm, damn.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's amazing company right soon. That's on my
Speaker 1: That's third on my to do list. It's wild because
Speaker 1: in college I would I could never like coffee didn't work,
Speaker 1: calf I'm not really caffeine sensitive. Was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of caffeine, but being Japanese, like my mom
Speaker 1: would always be like try like mucha for a second,
Speaker 1: and I was like that's what you drink, right, right,
Speaker 1: And then I drank it and then like I fucking
Speaker 1: like my eyes like right, and and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, this is very different. But yeah, but it's funny.
Speaker 1: I still habitually, will just kind of have a cold
Speaker 1: drew here in there, but I'm not as much of
Speaker 1: like a morning caffeine person, so I don't I don't
Speaker 1: rely on it as much. I mean I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not a d d by you know, diagnoses, but I
Speaker 1: do find I'm like in a lot of places, a
Speaker 1: lot of times, and much I definitely feels helps focus
Speaker 1: and just gets you there, you know. So trying guys,
Speaker 1: all right, I might get some converts. I actually love
Speaker 1: a taste of coffee. I love like a lot to taste.
Speaker 1: But you can dress up much and and make it delicious.
Speaker 1: Did you have to experiment that the aroma aroma of
Speaker 1: coffee reduces stress even among non coffee drinkers, so every time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true. Are we are we having a debate? Right?
Speaker 1: A little bit? It sounds like this is what the
Speaker 1: podcast is about. Now. You know, I grew up Mormon,
Speaker 1: and coffee is verbotan sin, grieve a sin to drink
Speaker 1: feet in my religion when I was growing up. So
Speaker 1: now when I have coffee, it's not just because it
Speaker 1: tastes good. There's a there's still an illegality to it
Speaker 1: that just takes it taste a little bit better. So
Speaker 1: I will try your Macha, Liz, but I won't do it.
Speaker 1: Effects are for Jesus, right, don't do it for Jesus.
Speaker 1: You can't imagine the Mormon Church. Is that cool with Macha? No?
Speaker 1: Probably not. What's caffeine? Yeah, but it's just it's such
Speaker 1: a loophole. I don't know, because it says you can't
Speaker 1: drink caffeine strong drink, you can't drink hot beverages, but
Speaker 1: you can drink hot chocolate. But then they say it's
Speaker 1: the caffeine. But they're they're fucking fine with diet coke,
Speaker 1: which has zero health benefits versus caine. With diet coke, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Marmas drink their diet coke mountain dew. I know I
Speaker 1: might be more diet coke, but have you ever mixed them.
Speaker 1: That's when it's really let's take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and hear what you guys think it is
Speaker 1: under it and we're back and lives. On the break,
Speaker 1: you were saying that you're underrated as Macha, which makes sense, right.
Speaker 1: I am now currently researching Macha, so we'll not be
Speaker 1: hearing anything else. You get d You heard these Japanese
Speaker 1: tea ceremonies. I'm like, you like it. It's got this
Speaker 1: bamboo whisk man, I'm trying to do it like maybe
Speaker 1: you're Oba Jan would have does sound like me, I
Speaker 1: will say though the whisk I had to abort the
Speaker 1: whisk that, Yeah, it just takes too long and it
Speaker 1: doesn't get the clumps out. So you do like the
Speaker 1: little milk frother is the best way to blend your
Speaker 1: Macha Tyler, what's something you think is under it? You
Speaker 1: don't underrate it. It's silly, but sleep. Sleep is vastly underrated,
Speaker 1: and I think people choose a lot of things over sleep.
Speaker 1: And as one who obsesses about sleep and has read
Speaker 1: every book there is about the benefits of sleep, because
Speaker 1: I don't sleep well and I wish I could sleep better,
Speaker 1: I just think we are as a society walking around
Speaker 1: as zombies and we're trading Netflix and Instagram for what
Speaker 1: we genuinely need, which is a good night's sleep. M
Speaker 1: M yeah, I definitely feel that. Like idea of like
Speaker 1: the just aimless scroll in bed, Yeah, Like you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people have said, like the psychology of
Speaker 1: that is like trying to reclaim hours of the day
Speaker 1: that felt like you were giving your attention to something else.
Speaker 1: So it's like a way to kind of recenter. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's just it's the worst thing
Speaker 1: for you because like to your point, it keeps you
Speaker 1: from going to sleep. And I've only, like the last
Speaker 1: seven months, tried to get really disciplined about like creating
Speaker 1: a proper time to sleep. I'm like sticking to that
Speaker 1: because I do feel the difference. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: there's elements of sleep like who doesn't wait, you guys
Speaker 1: wake up at like three in the morning and can't
Speaker 1: go back to sleep. Does that happen to you guys?
Speaker 1: I get I used to get that around like four,
Speaker 1: like it would be like clockwork, like just up, and
Speaker 1: I'm like fuck. And then I started like stretching more
Speaker 1: before bed. I started. The other thing was like I
Speaker 1: would drink way too much later in the day, so
Speaker 1: I'd always have to pee in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: And I realized it's much you know, except sadly my
Speaker 1: partners she's not really into that anymore. But like the
Speaker 1: idea of like really being able to like it also
Speaker 1: went into my hydration where now I'm like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get as hydrated as I need to be earlier
Speaker 1: in the day rather than like catching up at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. And also making like sleeping when
Speaker 1: it's colder has also made it easier for me to sleep.
Speaker 1: So two tips of that. One is you get in
Speaker 1: bad usually and then you read or you scroll through
Speaker 1: Instagram or whatever. But before you go to bed, pee
Speaker 1: one more time. And you hate it because you're soft
Speaker 1: and you're in your bed and you don't want to
Speaker 1: get out again, go one more time. That helps, Kylie.
Speaker 1: You also have to get rid of blue screens. Blue screens, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, at least at least an hour before bed.
Speaker 1: But but there's one thing that is about like waking
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and having researched
Speaker 1: this is called second sleep. Because we as humans, for
Speaker 1: most of our evolution, we didn't you know, we we
Speaker 1: didn't have lights. So you went to bed when it
Speaker 1: was dark and you woke up when it was light.
Speaker 1: And so what human beings essentially did is they would
Speaker 1: wake up late in the middle of the night to
Speaker 1: three in the morning because you'd go to bed at
Speaker 1: five because you were sleeping in a cave, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was winter where you're sleeping in a tepee
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. And researchers put people in
Speaker 1: a room without clocks and without windows, and they found
Speaker 1: that they would wake up at two or three in
Speaker 1: the morning, and it was second sleep, because that's what
Speaker 1: humans did. They'd wake up two in the morning, they'd
Speaker 1: stoke the fire, they'd have sex, they do whatever, and
Speaker 1: then they go back to sleep. So it I've done,
Speaker 1: and this may not be the best advice for everyone,
Speaker 1: is when you do wake up at two in the
Speaker 1: morning or three in the morning, own it, get up
Speaker 1: and do something. In fact, studies have shown that when
Speaker 1: you are in that state, a dream like state, you're
Speaker 1: actually incredibly creative. Your brain is still kind of dreaming
Speaker 1: and still not in the left brain or the right brain.
Speaker 1: So if you're a creative person, use it. Get up right, read,
Speaker 1: come up with ideas, then go back to bed. Don't
Speaker 1: stay up too late. But I've actually been embracing that
Speaker 1: and it's actually helped me both as to get sleep
Speaker 1: and also creatively nice. Yeah, my dad used to do
Speaker 1: that because you would wake up pretty like in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night too, and I feel like a
Speaker 1: thing I've also inherited from him, but yeah, that's when
Speaker 1: he would I would always remember just him getting up
Speaker 1: and like starting to write or you know, work on
Speaker 1: his art or something like that. So I just like
Speaker 1: being in bed, though there's something about getting out. I'm like,
Speaker 1: then I've lost but yeah, it's getting better. It's getting better.
Speaker 1: I think that happened of when I do, when I
Speaker 1: have that waking up like the I think that's where
Speaker 1: the like witching hour came from. Is like the time
Speaker 1: that everybody woke up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: But I always want to eat something. I'm always like
Speaker 1: so hungry when I wake up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. Yeah, I always hungry. Bear. That was adorable,
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling me. Alright, Well, I feel like we've
Speaker 1: learned a lot about you guys. We've learned a lot
Speaker 1: in general. Let's make ourselves a little bit dumber by
Speaker 1: talking about Ted Cruise because we've I mean, this man
Speaker 1: is the king of the you turn, the king of spinelessness,
Speaker 1: and he put on a real display in the past
Speaker 1: couple of days or at the end of last week,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, the King of capitulation has has come
Speaker 1: to take his throne from Mark Meadows. I think that
Speaker 1: was the last one we saw. That was of note
Speaker 1: where he's like my book says Trump knew everything, tore
Speaker 1: like that's not true, and he came on he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm lying so to reach Trump and you're like, holy ship, dude,
Speaker 1: he's committed this to a book and you're already on
Speaker 1: your saying it's nonsense. Okay, fine at fake news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your book is fake news. Well, being the way there,
Speaker 1: that's not what I said exactly anyway. So Ted Cruise
Speaker 1: has also found himself in the same place he fucked
Speaker 1: up royally because he described the terrorist attack on January
Speaker 1: six as a terrorist attack and Tucker Carlson lost his
Speaker 1: ship that night when like those words came out because
Speaker 1: he was labeled Ted Cruise like this live trader sort
Speaker 1: of thing. And so this led Ted to come on
Speaker 1: Tucker's show and do you know, do his like public
Speaker 1: maya culpa, and he was basically just saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: torture me, daddy when I come on the air and
Speaker 1: they make it right, and he basically Tucker Carlson was
Speaker 1: like on his like Hans Landa, like Christoph Faltse's character
Speaker 1: and inglorious bastards. That was like the way he starts
Speaker 1: off this appearance with Ted Cruz, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: play it because it's just it's something. It's truly something
Speaker 1: else to watch. Ted Cruz have to eat his own
Speaker 1: hat and soul. So I guess what I mean. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of dumb people in the Congress. You're
Speaker 1: not one of them. I think it's smarter than I am. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you never use words carelessly. Um, and yet you
Speaker 1: called this a terror attack when by no definition was
Speaker 1: it a terror attack. That's a lie. You told that
Speaker 1: lie on purpose, and I'm wondering why you did. Well. Tucker,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on when you aired your
Speaker 1: episode last night. I sent you a tech shortly thereafter
Speaker 1: and said, listen, I'd like to go on because the
Speaker 1: way I phrase things yesterday it was sloppy and it
Speaker 1: was frankly dumb. And I don't buy that. Who wow,
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. For Look, I've known you a
Speaker 1: long time since before you went to the Senate. You're
Speaker 1: Supreme Court contender. You take words as seriously as any
Speaker 1: man who's ever served in the Senate. And every word
Speaker 1: you repeated that phrase, I do not believe that you
Speaker 1: use accidentally, and don't it's so Tucker as at. So
Speaker 1: that's just the taste right where he started off by going,
Speaker 1: You're not a fucking idiot right, I know that you're
Speaker 1: not an idiot, so why the funk would you say
Speaker 1: something so absurd? And he goes on like every time
Speaker 1: Ted Cruise tas be like, well what I meant was this?
Speaker 1: Like I don't believe you you meant it? Like he
Speaker 1: was really putting him to the sword to make matters worse, right,
Speaker 1: Ted Cruiz, He's proven himself to not stand up to anything,
Speaker 1: like Evenen Trump like completely ripped his wife on TV,
Speaker 1: like he was like, thank you. And in this instance,
Speaker 1: he comes on, gets owned by Tucker Carlson and then
Speaker 1: he posted the clip to his own fucking YouTube channel
Speaker 1: because that's how like serious he was about getting the
Speaker 1: messaging out that he's like, I didn't I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: speaking against the sacred words of this group we are in,
Speaker 1: which makes which brings us to this idea of what
Speaker 1: like this you know, Trump or cult of personality around
Speaker 1: Trump has become, and how it's just gotten gaining more
Speaker 1: and more momentum. We're seeing people who are holding office
Speaker 1: even coming on and be like I'm dumb, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: for saying that I am. I am so ignorant. I
Speaker 1: should go now. I'm just curious from you know, Tyler
Speaker 1: and Liz like your perspective, this feels very much like
Speaker 1: what you see right, you speak the truth, you disrupt
Speaker 1: the group's cognitive dissonance, and then you get the fucking horns.
Speaker 1: It's is it is this pretty similar to like normal
Speaker 1: sort of cult behavior, normal could behavior, not normal life,
Speaker 1: but yes, no normal cult behavior for sure, behavior like standard, standard,
Speaker 1: standards standard. Well, even in that two seconds that we
Speaker 1: just heard, there's like two moments of gas lighting right
Speaker 1: out the gate and public humiliation, which is a huge
Speaker 1: thing in cults, putting you on the stand, putting you
Speaker 1: in the hot seat, and then making you look at
Speaker 1: something quote unquote, and then totally putting you on blast
Speaker 1: and getting the followers the rest of the people in
Speaker 1: the room, which in this case is everybody that's watching
Speaker 1: that a news program, to go shame on you, bad boy.
Speaker 1: So even in that thirty seconds you just showed, was
Speaker 1: there was a ton of cultic behavior going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know the way we kind of see
Speaker 1: this whole thing like evolve, you know, looking at at
Speaker 1: it as a cult. Right, there's like this new story
Speaker 1: that's come out where like Stephanie Grisham, the former like
Speaker 1: Price secretary and a few other Trumpers who were in
Speaker 1: the administration, like fifteen of them were saying, like they're
Speaker 1: getting together to figure out how to take Trump down.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just for their own you know,
Speaker 1: to soothe themselves so they can sleep at night, or
Speaker 1: if it's serious. And Stephanie Grisham is saying, like, we're
Speaker 1: looking to do things where we can message to Trump
Speaker 1: supporters so they can fully understand what Trump stands for
Speaker 1: and what his goals are. She's talking about going on
Speaker 1: like a speaking tour to like very heavily like districts
Speaker 1: with heavy Trump support, to try and talk to people
Speaker 1: to explain things. Good luck. That doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: viable tact. Good luck, That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1: Good luck, because you can't. You can't do that. You're
Speaker 1: what the sad thing about when people are in in
Speaker 1: cults is once they're the brainwashing has taken ignited and
Speaker 1: the indoctrination has ignited, you can't speak rationally to them.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many facts you lay out and go.
Speaker 1: You know, this thing he said was completely you know,
Speaker 1: it was a complete lie and completely irrational. And here
Speaker 1: are fifteen to five hundred thousand things to back up
Speaker 1: the truth. It doesn't matter because the justification in the
Speaker 1: manipulation of whatever the law is being spewed by the
Speaker 1: cult leader is so strong that they're always going to
Speaker 1: find a way to justify it. Like look at Doomsday,
Speaker 1: all the doomsday cults that happened. Doomsday never happens, but
Speaker 1: yet these people will stay in the cult after that
Speaker 1: because the goal post moves and there's some stupid, right,
Speaker 1: stupid sounding explanation for it from the outsiders, but internally
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I guess it was our fault. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we weren't. We weren't right with the blank um right.
Speaker 1: So it's really hard that tactic sadly is there. Really
Speaker 1: it's like it sounds like what they say like scientology
Speaker 1: or like squirrels, or like people who used to be
Speaker 1: scientologists who then like want to start ship like outside
Speaker 1: of it. And it seems like people who even if
Speaker 1: they were part of the end group, once they leave,
Speaker 1: there's no you're like your your identity is set in
Speaker 1: the eyes of the people that are still followers, Like
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, you're like you have I have
Speaker 1: nothing to say to you because you're not even one
Speaker 1: of us. And that's one of the main tactics of
Speaker 1: cults is too when you leave and people say, what
Speaker 1: is a cult versus a church or whatever, maybe typically
Speaker 1: what it is is amongst the many things, one of
Speaker 1: them is when you leave that said group, the cult
Speaker 1: cut you off. You're no longer believing. We don't talk
Speaker 1: to you, we don't associate with you, with you. You know,
Speaker 1: It's not like that with most groups. And I do
Speaker 1: think the Republican Party, the modern day Republican Party, the
Speaker 1: extremists of it especially, has that same tactic. The other side,
Speaker 1: they're evil, they're wrong, We're elite, which is cult tactic
Speaker 1: number one. We are chosen, we are the best. We
Speaker 1: are going to heaven. We are the only ones who
Speaker 1: have the keys to the kingdom. And everyone else is wrong,
Speaker 1: and everyone else and their messages are wrong, and don't
Speaker 1: watch them, don't read them, don't listen to them, because
Speaker 1: they are wrong. And not only are they wrong, but
Speaker 1: what they're sending you is harmful. And I think that's
Speaker 1: very common. We had a we had a guest on
Speaker 1: one of our episodes not too long ago, Yanya Lullich
Speaker 1: and she's a cult expert, and she talked about modern
Speaker 1: day cults, and she said that, um, you know, it
Speaker 1: used to be that cults were a place you'd go
Speaker 1: to a commune, you'd go to a church, you you
Speaker 1: see the leader, she said, modern day, especially exacerbated by
Speaker 1: the pandemic, modern day cults, people don't ever need to
Speaker 1: see each other. They're one of them can be in
Speaker 1: Kansas and another one can be in Colorado, and there's
Speaker 1: no leader. There's no ideology, the ideology as the leader rather,
Speaker 1: and so they kind of can glom onto anything. And
Speaker 1: that's what I think we're seeing nowadays. Um or the
Speaker 1: leader can be just a letter in the alphabet right
Speaker 1: with no face and no name. But I do feel, yeah,
Speaker 1: when it comes to Q, I am wondering, like how
Speaker 1: long it will take for Trump to just openly kind
Speaker 1: of identify as the leader, because I do think that
Speaker 1: in the time since he's been in office, like the
Speaker 1: lesson he's learned or seems to have learned over and
Speaker 1: over again is like anybody who was like advising him
Speaker 1: to pump the brakes on anything was wrong, got the boot.
Speaker 1: You can you can back channel this from the day
Speaker 1: he got inaugurated that I don't I can't even remember
Speaker 1: these people's names because they're so far from our lexicon now.
Speaker 1: But anybody that in the beginning, you can see it
Speaker 1: right away, one person you know, has one opinion against
Speaker 1: what he was saying, and fired, next day, fired, next day, fired,
Speaker 1: and thank you. Yeah, and that's why you have the
Speaker 1: Ted Cruises left today who are just paralyzed by fear,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to go away, I don't want
Speaker 1: I want to I want to stay in the cool kids.
Speaker 1: I want to be with the cool kids. And they'll backtrack,
Speaker 1: they won't. Ted Cruise is not coming up with his
Speaker 1: own opinions, his own rational thought. He did for a moment,
Speaker 1: and then you saw what happened, right, and then he
Speaker 1: had to perform for the group to say I haven't
Speaker 1: lost my way. I'm sorry, I'm deeply sorry. I was
Speaker 1: stupid in that moment, as even said, like it was
Speaker 1: frank dumb. Right. That's why, Yeah, And that's why that
Speaker 1: appearance was so important, right, is because the January six,
Speaker 1: like the the way that the mainstream media greeted it
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is going to be a thing
Speaker 1: that scares everybody, and makes them back away, and instead
Speaker 1: it's been used to just normalize that behavior more and
Speaker 1: more and like edge people to the cult. That's a
Speaker 1: great on, that's a great way to put it. The
Speaker 1: normalization of really not okay behavior is a huge right, well,
Speaker 1: because it's been an inversion, right because actually January six
Speaker 1: was the righteous people doing the correct thing while the
Speaker 1: federal government was trans were the transgressors in that moment.
Speaker 1: So they've completely re art reformatted it, re contextualized it
Speaker 1: to say no, we were that was the morally correct
Speaker 1: thing to do and were, and that seems to be
Speaker 1: the message that keeps getting reinforced. So right when you
Speaker 1: have people come out and be like it's terrorist because
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz made he tried to make a point. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think assaulting police officers is something that we
Speaker 1: should like should happen. That's bad, right, those people should
Speaker 1: go to jail and tuckers of course, but are they terrorists?
Speaker 1: And then it's like whoa, here we go to semantic
Speaker 1: I mean it would seem you would you would think
Speaker 1: that Tucker as a conservative talking ahead. So one other
Speaker 1: question that I just want to get you guys thoughts
Speaker 1: on is just like in the broad scope of American cults,
Speaker 1: I think, I think cult kind of evokes in people's
Speaker 1: minds like Jonestown and Waco and Heaven's Gate. But like
Speaker 1: I think what we're dealing with here could have more
Speaker 1: in common with like the Taiping Rebellion and like Nazi
Speaker 1: Germany than those things, Like just in terms of the
Speaker 1: kind of blurring of the line between political party and cult.
Speaker 1: Like what how do you guys think about like those
Speaker 1: those historic examples as as cult, I mean, dictator use
Speaker 1: cult like tactics throughout history. Um, we're the best country,
Speaker 1: We're number one. We're the only ones that are good.
Speaker 1: Block everyone else out. And there's also in many cults,
Speaker 1: especially Christian based cults, or it's a strong worrying factor,
Speaker 1: pick up your sword, you know, fight to get into heaven.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cults that actually have that. We
Speaker 1: are soldiers. So this January six thing was we are soldiers.
Speaker 1: We are fighting for this cult that we believe is right.
Speaker 1: A lot of violence is actually Doomsday violence and blood
Speaker 1: and going to hell and fire, a lot of violences
Speaker 1: and set in cults and the same thing with dictators
Speaker 1: throughout history. It's just it's the same kind of tactics,
Speaker 1: and I think Trump was doing the same thing using
Speaker 1: those same dictator slash cult leader tactics, which usually nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten are ego just very egocentric individuals.
Speaker 1: And I don't care if sociopathy, I don't care if
Speaker 1: you support Trump or not. You can't deny that the
Speaker 1: guy has an ego. He has a massive ego and
Speaker 1: he you know, most cult leaders have a strong ego, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that there there are
Speaker 1: political cults. There are cults that exist within political parties,
Speaker 1: even in America, to try to say it's a cult
Speaker 1: of person, like, let's just call it what it is, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think people try to get around the word cult
Speaker 1: instead of understanding the psychology of cult. Once you understand that,
Speaker 1: you can see it very clearly in all areas, especially politics.
Speaker 1: And I think the difference between a political party and
Speaker 1: a cult is the lead. It's always it goes all
Speaker 1: goes back to the leader, right, So who's leading that
Speaker 1: party and how are they leading it? Right? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we'll still probably endorse Trump as a podcast, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's I mean, we don't want to we want to
Speaker 1: be at the cool kids table. Yeah, come on, you know, guys, Rocks.
Speaker 1: You know the thing about people who are in cults,
Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about cults and what they are,
Speaker 1: and they're all over the place. And sometimes they can
Speaker 1: be churches, sometimes they can be religion, sometimes they can
Speaker 1: be political. But by and large, and I'll even put
Speaker 1: Q into this, in some aspects, people who joined cults
Speaker 1: are idealistic in many options. They they want to go
Speaker 1: to heaven, they want to better themselves, they want to
Speaker 1: lose weight, they want to live on a commune and
Speaker 1: grow wheat. They want to make America great again, right,
Speaker 1: and they do. They genuinely believe they're trying to make
Speaker 1: America great again. And and so this idealism is actually
Speaker 1: what leads people into this, and cult leaders use that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they prey on that. You know. It's it's it's that,
Speaker 1: or it's there's something in their life that isn't working.
Speaker 1: And then somebody comes along and goes, I see it.
Speaker 1: I've got the solution to everything you've ever thought was wrong.
Speaker 1: And I know you've known something was wrong. That's how
Speaker 1: I know what I'm going to tell you is going
Speaker 1: to really resonate. So listen up. It's usually them, it's
Speaker 1: someone else. It's the it's the brown skin person or
Speaker 1: the women, or the liberals or someone else or you know,
Speaker 1: the people that you aren't like that are making problems
Speaker 1: for you. Um, but I have the answers. That's a
Speaker 1: cult tactic one and want I alone have the answers.
Speaker 1: I alone can save you. I am the leader that
Speaker 1: can take you to heaven, or you can lose weight,
Speaker 1: or you can be a better actor, or you can
Speaker 1: do you know whatever. Cult leaders you know profess and
Speaker 1: these idealisms, these idealistic people who are a lot of
Speaker 1: times just vulnerable sign on and want to be told.
Speaker 1: We do want to be told. We do want to
Speaker 1: listen to somebody who tells us what to do and
Speaker 1: what to believe. By and large, Yeah, is like when
Speaker 1: you kind of look at sort of the you know America,
Speaker 1: like our you know, the cults that are popping up
Speaker 1: in America, especially like it relates to like right wing extremism,
Speaker 1: do you see any hope for d pro gramming or
Speaker 1: for whatever to happen or what do you think how
Speaker 1: do you think this plays out? Because I think from
Speaker 1: our perspective, like it looks like they're all in on
Speaker 1: complete in total destruction of the country without maybe articulating that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the sad the sad part about that, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, is that it's not like these extreme cults
Speaker 1: haven't existed for years. Unfortunately, they've because of you know,
Speaker 1: a certain human have been brought into the mainstream now
Speaker 1: and so we're just faced with it a lot more.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, when because of that, they've recruited, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot more Americans and their base has grown, and
Speaker 1: that's what we're up against. And not to be Debbie Downer,
Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna be a while for these people
Speaker 1: to de program. It's not going to be easy. There's
Speaker 1: an element of many times among cults that want the doomsday.
Speaker 1: They want that they're looking forward to it because we're right,
Speaker 1: we're we're going to go to heaven. The rest of
Speaker 1: the world is going to be burned, and we're going
Speaker 1: to be right, we're saved or not. And I think
Speaker 1: there's still an element in extreme measures of the Republican
Speaker 1: Party that want that. I think one thing that has
Speaker 1: helped and hurt and there are more cults today people
Speaker 1: think cults were in the seventies, you know, moonees and airports,
Speaker 1: but there are more cults today than ever because of
Speaker 1: the Internet. The Internet is a huge recruitment breeding ground
Speaker 1: and it's super can I say effort, it's super fucking
Speaker 1: dangerous because you know, we're getting false information left and right.
Speaker 1: And you get a doctor to tell you I'm a
Speaker 1: doctor and so listen to me, and then somebody goes, well,
Speaker 1: the doctor said that, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they're off to the races, and so you're not handing
Speaker 1: out mimiograph tracks at airports, you know where you're reaching
Speaker 1: millions of people. I feel like the seventies gets the
Speaker 1: cult rep because a lot of that those cults were
Speaker 1: like associated with like left wing politics, and that's like
Speaker 1: something that Americans are, the American kind of shared consciousness
Speaker 1: is allergic to and so like that that stands out.
Speaker 1: But then when the cults are like focused on like
Speaker 1: white male domination, like they're kind of okay with it
Speaker 1: or because of that left left peace, love, we love
Speaker 1: each other, children of love, let's all you know. I mean.
Speaker 1: Jonestown started as a wonderful endeavor, a church that actually
Speaker 1: embraced black people and to their flock. It just got
Speaker 1: a little you know, went a little off course, got
Speaker 1: a little suicidal a little bit. Yeah, and that was all.
Speaker 1: But that was, you know, just his ego just got away.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens. Col Leaders surround themselves with people
Speaker 1: and yes man, and they get further and further away
Speaker 1: from the real world and reality you're actually becoming esmen.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to get too deep into how
Speaker 1: the manipulation and infination, right, but that was also you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of that is also was a reaction to something, right,
Speaker 1: that was a reaction to Vietnam and war and violence,
Speaker 1: and so all these cults presented is free, free love
Speaker 1: were the opposite of that, and there was a whole
Speaker 1: community of humans going, that's what I want. And that's
Speaker 1: sort of what's happening now right on the flip side
Speaker 1: to some extent. Yeah, yeah, if if, if they don't
Speaker 1: completely control they county will be like how we people
Speaker 1: talk about like old hippies in the neighborhood. It's like
Speaker 1: who lives up there's like these old hippies there, and
Speaker 1: then like fifty years like who are those like these
Speaker 1: old people? Yeah, wonderful. Yeah that if we can, that's
Speaker 1: like our best. We'll get there. I mean I do
Speaker 1: think we'll get there. It's it's going to happen. The
Speaker 1: good the silver lining with all cults is they eventually destruct,
Speaker 1: whether the leader dies or something happens, They eventually you destruct.
Speaker 1: It just takes a while sometimes. I mean what it
Speaker 1: comes down to is a lot of times they just
Speaker 1: keep saying and projecting and and saying this is going
Speaker 1: to happen, and this is gonna happen in Doomsday is
Speaker 1: gonna happen and all these things, and they just they
Speaker 1: just don't. They don't happen. And if you see that
Speaker 1: with Q, I mean their projections, their predictions there one
Speaker 1: like oh for eighty on their projections. So eventually they're
Speaker 1: just gonna go other people, right you would think so
Speaker 1: you would think it's some They shed some people, but
Speaker 1: not like at a rate that you would expect. Because
Speaker 1: when I look at like some of those telegram channels
Speaker 1: and you hear people being like, well, what the fun like,
Speaker 1: aren't are we getting sucked over? Like? Are we getting duped? Good?
Speaker 1: Even know any better? Right? Right? Right? I was the
Speaker 1: sucker right kind of ruined my life for this, but like,
Speaker 1: that's why I brought up the examples of mass political
Speaker 1: movements that operated like cults, like the Typing Rebellion, which
Speaker 1: is like the largest, the deadliest civil war in human history,
Speaker 1: was like based around a guy who claimed he was
Speaker 1: Jesus's brother reincarnated, and you know, got twenty million people killed.
Speaker 1: And Nazi Germany I think most people are familiar with,
Speaker 1: but well, no, this is America. Actually I don't think
Speaker 1: many people. Yeah, allegedly, I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: Americans would happen with that. Let's uh, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be back to talk about what
Speaker 1: movies foresaw in the air two and we're back, and
Speaker 1: they're a handful of movies, sci fi movies from the
Speaker 1: nineties and before that saw the year two going awry
Speaker 1: in very specific ways that we we wanted to look at.
Speaker 1: Our writer jam Nap kind of gave us a canvassing
Speaker 1: of the movies that took place at the point where two.
Speaker 1: I love this because this this felt like a common
Speaker 1: year in movies, like two felt like it like now
Speaker 1: we're not we're not hack. We're thinking a little bit
Speaker 1: more about this. Yeah, so one that I definitely rented
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager was No Escape starring Ray Liotta,
Speaker 1: about a penal colony run by a corporation. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it seems to have foresaw private prisons, even though
Speaker 1: like I guess they already existed back then, but they
Speaker 1: really grew from that point to you know, very recently
Speaker 1: when they became sort of outlaw. But I think No
Speaker 1: Escape was the one where they had the necklaces. The
Speaker 1: major head explode is that, I think, so yeah, And
Speaker 1: that was definitely like I don't know if it's like
Speaker 1: half Australia, because like, whoa, what I feels like a
Speaker 1: penal colony. It's like an island where these dudes go
Speaker 1: and they kill each other. I remember being like watching
Speaker 1: the movie and that was like the first time I noticed,
Speaker 1: like there were no women in a movie. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: there's only guys in this movie. Like I remember having
Speaker 1: this scene was like most of the time I'm seeing
Speaker 1: things sad. At least showed that were women in it.
Speaker 1: But that was like, a, I don't know, that's that's
Speaker 1: when I became a feminist. But when I when I
Speaker 1: made that realization, I had this confused with something a
Speaker 1: different movie. So I have not seen No Escape. Oh
Speaker 1: you haven't, you'd love it. Yeah, it sounds like it.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so it was really my favorite
Speaker 1: action star. So it does sound dude, had Ernie Hudson,
Speaker 1: I remember Johnny Drama like a young Kevin Dillon. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's a very thin like
Speaker 1: it's a movie that does not hold up at all,
Speaker 1: like when you start watching it again. There's a straight
Speaker 1: to video Mark Hamill vehicle called Time Runner about a
Speaker 1: guy from the future sent back to stop a invasion
Speaker 1: of alien shape shifters and twenty two who disguise themselves
Speaker 1: as humans. So it's like they saw Titanic and body
Speaker 1: Snatchers and we're like, okay, what if Now wait listen
Speaker 1: to me for a second here. But the tagline was
Speaker 1: literally a new kind of Terminator in tones the movie
Speaker 1: trailer over a theme that is a sound of like
Speaker 1: rip off of the Terminator. In case that wasn't clear
Speaker 1: to you, I love a blatant rip off, like to
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, man, enough people might get
Speaker 1: duped by this. I think it's the other film. They
Speaker 1: think they're renting, Like when I see like there's like
Speaker 1: a fast and furious rip off that was like Fury Drivers,
Speaker 1: and like the subtitle was like they're furious and fast
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, okay, they're fastly furious. Probably the
Speaker 1: most popular of all is the first Purge movie was
Speaker 1: set in twenty two, so it was yeah, see that, Okay,
Speaker 1: they'll bo and maybe there. Yeah, just I I long
Speaker 1: for the times when our our projections of this era
Speaker 1: were like slightly more shiny and fun, like sant Angels
Speaker 1: and Demolition Man. That's always what year was sant Angelo?
Speaker 1: What you was? Demolition Man? I feel like that one.
Speaker 1: I think it's four or something like that. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll I'll celebrate that time. Yeah, thank you, Yeah exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: there's there's been a few write ups about like, well
Speaker 1: where are we now in San Angeles? Like two, we
Speaker 1: got a little bit, we got some time until the
Speaker 1: Franco bell I'm looking at you. I'm watching you guys
Speaker 1: making moves. You haven't ten years to win the franchise
Speaker 1: Wars and then uh Soiling Green, the seventies three Charlton
Speaker 1: Heston movie about It's just a hellish future, there's overpopulation,
Speaker 1: there's inequality. Have you guys heard about this stuff? Remember
Speaker 1: when people thought we'd have a problem with inequality that
Speaker 1: I've seen it on a pumper sticker. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: there's one corporation that rules them all, not named Amazon,
Speaker 1: but does produce a food stuff called soilent that is
Speaker 1: revealed at the end is made of people. Spoiler, it's
Speaker 1: not Macha, but it's pretty good. It does explicitly pinpoint
Speaker 1: climate change as one of our major problems. Before that was,
Speaker 1: you know, widely seen as like bring about the end times.
Speaker 1: There's a ton of income inequality and surging homelessness. But
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't started eating each other. I feel
Speaker 1: like that one you're giving people too much of an
Speaker 1: imagination the Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that brings the cult full circle.
Speaker 1: You know, there were a publicans are thinking maybe if
Speaker 1: we eat the democrats, I mean, yeah, I eat the rich,
Speaker 1: completely goes the other way, Eat the lips you've got
Speaker 1: good time eat. I mean. The main thing is that
Speaker 1: it just isn't profitable, Like it doesn't make sense as
Speaker 1: a model, and like that's the reason it doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense is like humans are like you can find other
Speaker 1: things to serve two people as soilent, which is in
Speaker 1: fact something that somebody has done. There is a a
Speaker 1: company called Soilent, and some of their products are literally green,
Speaker 1: but they are chocolate chip flavored. I have not had it,
Speaker 1: and it's fucking It feels like you're in like a
Speaker 1: space prison. Yeah. Yeah, well that's what they feed you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's because the whole thing,
Speaker 1: like I remember being marketed is like, no, man, people
Speaker 1: don't got time to eat. They just need to drink this,
Speaker 1: a couple of these bottles and you've got all your
Speaker 1: fucking nutrients that you need. And remember because that was
Speaker 1: like the whole like work ourselves. I mean we're still
Speaker 1: sort of in that mentality of working yourself to death,
Speaker 1: so nobody has time to breathe or eat. But I'm
Speaker 1: optimizing the eating process, right, I remember trying and be
Speaker 1: like this is so fucking just just tastes like grand
Speaker 1: like paste with like a hint of vanilla. Right. Do
Speaker 1: you guys have any movies that when you look outside
Speaker 1: at the direction the world is headed, that you feel
Speaker 1: like might have been, whether they are said in the
Speaker 1: future or not, that you feel like it might have
Speaker 1: been onto something, you know. I think one that was
Speaker 1: way ahead of its time, and it's gotten a lot
Speaker 1: more attention of late as Network The Sydney in that
Speaker 1: film written by Patty Chaievsky in NIX, which well in
Speaker 1: advance predicted the entertainment is um of news but also
Speaker 1: reality television and um, you know, putting odd screaming profits
Speaker 1: on the airwaves. To an opinionize, I think that film,
Speaker 1: which A is unamazed, amazing movie if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: and if you have seen it, it's even better on
Speaker 1: the second or in my case, like the tenth viewing
Speaker 1: every single year I watched that film. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: That one I think really saw our future as media
Speaker 1: and content and television. Are we in the matrix? Mmm?
Speaker 1: I think that's an important question to ask. I. I
Speaker 1: tried jumping over a garbage can yesterday and I tripped
Speaker 1: over and busting my ask So I don't. I certainly
Speaker 1: haven't developed in my matrix skills, but doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 1: not trying. I like The Running Man. We're pretty close
Speaker 1: like the Running Man type of stuff too. It's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: get prisoners to fucking die and we'll like watch it
Speaker 1: on TV because right now it's already being used as like,
Speaker 1: you know, slave labor. So like when's the next Like
Speaker 1: when are they going to have like ultimate fighting when
Speaker 1: like logan Paul fights like three inmates or something, but
Speaker 1: he gets like a chainsaw. I feel like they were
Speaker 1: the spectacle of like violent conflict is like it's it's
Speaker 1: slowly being more commodified in weird ways. Not that I
Speaker 1: think we'll get precisely there, but I mean that film
Speaker 1: was set between twenty seventeen the running, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to really up the intellectual level with this one. But
Speaker 1: the Jetsons, man, we are about to become the Jetsons,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna fly through sky to get to work eventually. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I was still a little late on the
Speaker 1: jets and so unfortunately, I don't know. I mean they've
Speaker 1: got that, They've got that taxi, that that helicopter taxi
Speaker 1: system going on, and that they had a lot of
Speaker 1: robots in that too. They had the wise cracking We're
Speaker 1: far from her, yes, not too far. I might not
Speaker 1: do that far. I think we're aheaded for the flint Stones.
Speaker 1: Blew your minds, didn't that? Guys? I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: exercise when I drive so right exactly and have feet
Speaker 1: so callous that you couldn't even imagine what they feel
Speaker 1: like on the bottoms. Well, guys, it's been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the show. Where can people first
Speaker 1: of all hear you and also follow you and read
Speaker 1: you and all that stuff? Yeah, well where you know?
Speaker 1: We do a podcast called Wasn't Occult and it is
Speaker 1: a same network as you, guys. It is a documentary
Speaker 1: style podcast that features individuals who have left We're in
Speaker 1: and left cults and Liz and I, you know, we
Speaker 1: talked to these individuals. Um it's very documentary, it's very
Speaker 1: stylized with archival and music. But then listen, I put
Speaker 1: a little levity in it every once in a while
Speaker 1: because otherwise it would be forty five minutes of suicide
Speaker 1: and abuse and brainwashing and neglect and confinement. But the
Speaker 1: show is up. It's uplifting. It's meant to be helpful
Speaker 1: and inspiring and to show how resilient we are as
Speaker 1: humans and all the things we can overcome. We don't
Speaker 1: have to live in our trauma. Right, And if Jack
Speaker 1: pointed out, you know how you keep it light talking
Speaker 1: about people fucked he man right exactly, So it's not
Speaker 1: all gloom. I'm sorry. I thought that would appeal to
Speaker 1: our audience. Yeah, it's a great line. It's a great
Speaker 1: it was That's a great episode. It's a crazy about
Speaker 1: a woman, a cult in which Liz actually was in
Speaker 1: an acting cult. Young actors who come to Hollywood and
Speaker 1: with dreams of being an actor and some crazy acting
Speaker 1: teacher became a cult leader. Yeah, a self help guru. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So you can find our show wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts, it's was I in a Cult? And
Speaker 1: you can also follow us on Instagram because we are
Speaker 1: aspiring colleader as ourselves, and we wanted as many followers
Speaker 1: as we can get. So our handle is at was
Speaker 1: I in a Cult? Tyler is at Tyler Mesom. Personally,
Speaker 1: I'm at the Ayacuzi. That's like Jacuzzi with an eye,
Speaker 1: and uh, find us, talk to us, us, reach out
Speaker 1: to us if if you have, if you have your
Speaker 1: own cult experience, we that's where we get all of
Speaker 1: our amazing guests. So reach out. We'd love to hear
Speaker 1: from anybody. Is there a tweet or some of the
Speaker 1: work of social media you've been enjoying. You know, I
Speaker 1: watched I'm Gonna Last night, I watched something that that
Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert did a bore Rent, which is just amazing
Speaker 1: parody of Rent three sixty five thousand minutes about the
Speaker 1: January six Insurrection, which just launched last night. It's it's genius.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, I um, my friend just sent me this.
Speaker 1: I don't think this episode is like of this week.
Speaker 1: But Jordan Clapper's anti vax video he goes in interviews. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes and interviews all the spiritual anti vaxers here
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and it tickles my little heart when
Speaker 1: he's like and she's like, well, I usually like I
Speaker 1: just listen to the earth and the stars. And I
Speaker 1: actually was talking to my cat and and he goes,
Speaker 1: do you often get metal medical advice from a cat?
Speaker 1: And it's fantastic if you want to go see how
Speaker 1: dumb Los Angeles people are? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The Woo
Speaker 1: Woo anti vax ground is like them. And she's like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're getting it. I must go.
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, well, okay, let us know what
Speaker 1: your cat tells tells you about Fuona right miles where
Speaker 1: you can people find you. What's a tweet you've been
Speaker 1: enjoying the find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray and also if you like ninety Day Fiance,
Speaker 1: I waste my breath on that other show four twenty
Speaker 1: Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandro just getting high talking about
Speaker 1: ninety day. Some tweets at like, first one is from
Speaker 1: Caleb here and at Caleb says things tweeted cigarettes don't
Speaker 1: even get you high right, like they're literally just for cancer,
Speaker 1: I think. Take Another one is from Jared Wiselman at
Speaker 1: Jared says, you know, Britney Spears posted some pictures where
Speaker 1: she was like nude but like covering herself up with emojis,
Speaker 1: and people like, what is she doing? And like on
Speaker 1: all this backlash, Jared tweeted, Britney Spears being able to
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell she wants was the entire point
Speaker 1: of this, Just reminding people but outrage. Yeah. I also
Speaker 1: had the Caleb tweet. I also liked one from Ali
Speaker 1: make tweet tweeted covid sucks. I missed the days when
Speaker 1: you could travel. A year ago, I was in d
Speaker 1: C with some friends I met online touring a Government building. No.
Speaker 1: Garfinkel tweeted, can't believe I pity the full is Mr
Speaker 1: t and not Shakespeare. And finally fit alias fit Airlias,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. Lasdairliens tweeted met an old guy
Speaker 1: with no bank account. When I asked him why he
Speaker 1: didn't have one, he said, I just never out into
Speaker 1: that ship. Wow, legend. Do you can find me on
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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: And sorry, I've been trying to stifle laugh because I
Speaker 1: also saw one that I liked from from January six that,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I just have to read it to you.
Speaker 1: Dan she Hand tweeted one year ago today democracy got
Speaker 1: its heck and Snoop booped just made me laugh. Really,
Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, Miles, what song? Let's go Let's
Speaker 1: go out on a track a cover. Let's just everybody
Speaker 1: knows Barry Whites I'm Gonna Love You just a Little
Speaker 1: More Baby sampled a lot, but this version from Kelly
Speaker 1: Patterson is just it's so it's like lighter because it's
Speaker 1: not as like, yeah, I'm horn you and very white.
Speaker 1: It's got just uplifting the instrumental, still honoring the same instrumental,
Speaker 1: but it's just a little more lighter, little more disco.
Speaker 1: So this is I'm Gonna Love You just a Little
Speaker 1: More Baby by Kelly Patterson. So go find that, get
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