Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to twenty, episode
Speaker 1: three of Guys, the production of I Heart Radio. And
Speaker 1: this is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into American's share consciousness. It is Thursday, January two, National
Speaker 1: Cheese Lover's Day, National disc Jockey Day? Is that what
Speaker 1: we would be in another eras disc jockeys? Yeah, we'd be,
Speaker 1: absolutely would be. I feel like there wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: a way for I feel like you had to have
Speaker 1: like a cool voice, and I don't. I don't fit
Speaker 1: that well. You could perform one, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like that bit like in Wayne's World
Speaker 1: two where they meet like Harry Shear, Who's like the change,
Speaker 1: Like hey are you doing? And they're like what that's real?
Speaker 1: This is here anyways. My name is Jack O'Brien, a
Speaker 1: k A. Lix Jones Drinks Pete. You know that fool's
Speaker 1: piss out of smell? That is courtesy a Christie. I'm
Speaker 1: Agucci man, short and sweet and gross and yeah, shout
Speaker 1: out to that man. I'm thrilled to be joined as
Speaker 1: always buy my co host Mr Miles Ground. We're in lockdown,
Speaker 1: but I go out again. Those vaccines not gonna make
Speaker 1: me frown. I just go out even though there's a lockdown,
Speaker 1: and they will never make me frown. Let me, let
Speaker 1: me get to the part that's really good so I
Speaker 1: can kill this part. He drinks a peepy drink. He
Speaker 1: drinks a peepy drink. He drinks a pepc He drinks
Speaker 1: a peepy drink. He sings the songs that remind him
Speaker 1: of his friends lives. He sings the songs that remind
Speaker 1: him of his backslides. Oh jacket boy, pushing the vax away,
Speaker 1: drinking my beer all day, and shout out to Johnny
Speaker 1: Davis for that pub thumping a k and also Bill
Speaker 1: on the discord with just a little touch ups on
Speaker 1: the side. I see it was great work. That was
Speaker 1: a symphony. I mean, drinks ap drink, just say that
Speaker 1: four times. Yeah, that fucking thumped some tub. That's the
Speaker 1: only way to describe that ship. Thank you, man, Miles.
Speaker 1: We're a thrilled to be joined in our third seats
Speaker 1: from all the way across the Pond. One of the
Speaker 1: funniest comedy writers doing it anywhere. She is the creator
Speaker 1: and writer behind birds Rights activists on Twitter and writes
Speaker 1: for the amazing YouTube show Some More News with Cody Johnson.
Speaker 1: She studied psychology and evolutionary biology at a school in
Speaker 1: Boston and uses her educational background to host the podcast
Speaker 1: Creature feature, where you learn all the weirdest ship you
Speaker 1: didn't know you wanted to know about various creatures, including
Speaker 1: the weirdest and grossest creature of all mankind. Please welcome
Speaker 1: the brilliant the town to Katie God. Yeah, I wish
Speaker 1: I had a pe song. That is one thing that
Speaker 1: America is brimming with, right, Yeah, we got a bumper
Speaker 1: crop of p P based songs and ideas. We're just
Speaker 1: you know, we're drinking our own piss over here's how
Speaker 1: are you good? Good? Yeah? Yeah, handling the pandemic in Italy,
Speaker 1: not telling to drink. Yeah. You guys have fountains over there,
Speaker 1: you have like those little baby fountains with the water
Speaker 1: coming out of their pe. You mean you mean the
Speaker 1: the that famous one, the piss Boy. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's called the boy, No, that's right. Is that translates
Speaker 1: to boys called el bambino peace? I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's Italian? Is that Italian? Bambino is Belgian? Oh right, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: got statues. My flamash ain't that good these days. So
Speaker 1: one of them has a penis and you know, somebody,
Speaker 1: I'm just pitching here, but maybe an upgrade to the
Speaker 1: David would be a little fountain you should like pel
Speaker 1: lemon cello. Yeah, and all the people who come to
Speaker 1: gather at the base it would be so surprised class
Speaker 1: this is the David have like a hand. What's his
Speaker 1: other aren't doing? Is it kind of flopping? It could
Speaker 1: hold like a It could definitely hold like a glass,
Speaker 1: a fresh glass of lemon cello. I think, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: because right one hand is kind of like on the shoulder, right,
Speaker 1: and the other one like down like this, and it
Speaker 1: just pissing famously the David. Like when you get up
Speaker 1: really close, up up high, you see that, like there's
Speaker 1: all this vascularity that represents like how the human body
Speaker 1: would react in a time of great stress. Because it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be the David, right, David, right before he
Speaker 1: fights the lies, Is that right? Yeah, it's that David right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he's really scared. That's also why is Pep's
Speaker 1: a little shrunk down but in a little bit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you know what else happens when you're really scared.
Speaker 1: Sometimes pep you go a little pepete and pep, you
Speaker 1: know you're scared. I'm saying the only reason that the
Speaker 1: David doesn't have a peace dream coming out is because
Speaker 1: the technology wasn't available yet. I think it was though.
Speaker 1: You know we had aquifers, right, Yeah, Michaelangelo, do better
Speaker 1: many try harder, bro Yeah, I honestly had I would
Speaker 1: have said, michel Angelo, but I just didn't know which
Speaker 1: Ninja turtle it was the sculpt of that, the Ninja
Speaker 1: t thank you. Yeah. How what's the vibe over in
Speaker 1: Italy like these days? Uh? Well, people are pretty nervous
Speaker 1: about Amicron because it is uh spiking quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So they have announced new restrictions. So like you have
Speaker 1: to have the super green pass, not just the green past,
Speaker 1: but the super green past, and that is the you
Speaker 1: have to have a green pass that shows that you
Speaker 1: have been vaccinated, and that is your ticket into things
Speaker 1: like public transportation and restaurants. Go tech on, Disco Teca, yes, exactly, Bibliotheca,
Speaker 1: Disco Teca, all the all the Italian hot spots. Yeah nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, what's super green though, that you're like boosted
Speaker 1: or something. What the original Green Pass allowed you to
Speaker 1: do a COVID test and show like a negative COVID test.
Speaker 1: I think the super Green Pass you do have to
Speaker 1: be vaccinated that or I think it's a shorter period
Speaker 1: of time that the COVID test is valid for. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so they do. They do check to make sure, you know,
Speaker 1: you're maybe less ikey, to make sure before you go
Speaker 1: into public spaces. You're also required to wear a mask
Speaker 1: outdoors right now. And yeah, but it's nice, So what's that? What?
Speaker 1: What is that like? Living in fear wearing that dip
Speaker 1: growing here? Bases do come in fun colors. They're very
Speaker 1: like you can get like I got some, Yeah, I bet,
Speaker 1: but you know before you dunk on the US what
Speaker 1: I bet it's probably harder to get at home test
Speaker 1: than it is uh tickets to the Champions League final. Huh,
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that, Miles. It's especially weird given
Speaker 1: that we just talked about this before recording. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you forgot about it. Yeah. No, it is actually
Speaker 1: pretty easy to get a COVID test. They're just like,
Speaker 1: like I was in the US over the holiday, is
Speaker 1: and it was really hard to find COVID tests. And
Speaker 1: then I come back here and go into the pharmacy
Speaker 1: expecting to have to argue with the pharmacist to get one,
Speaker 1: and they just have a huge bin full of COVID tests.
Speaker 1: They're just throwing them at you. What. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: while people are night fighting over for free ones from
Speaker 1: the postal service, you probably have to like wait in
Speaker 1: a long line, and there's like pureaucrats and anyways, more
Speaker 1: on that letter. I don't I don't like this answer.
Speaker 1: You're raining down. They're kind of tossing them around, just
Speaker 1: like they toss around just big chunks of parmesan. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was yeah, actually kill you. So maybe it's not
Speaker 1: as safe as you think, big wheels of parmesan, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Suddenly we become just fierce nationalists. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get mistreated anywhere, it's got to be
Speaker 1: the US coming for a turf bro I do you
Speaker 1: admit that US pizza is better than Italian pizza? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it is true. No, it's true. It's it's very sad,
Speaker 1: but true. It's I mean that's to be expected, Like
Speaker 1: it's a gluttonous thing that we've made millions and millions
Speaker 1: and millions of Like it seems like we should be
Speaker 1: good at that at this point. All right, well, Katie,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners
Speaker 1: a couple of the things we're talking about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about how the debates are biased, thank you r
Speaker 1: n C. We're gonna talk about the Trump investigation into
Speaker 1: like financial ship that I've seen people be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's she said, fraudulent, He's in trouble, and it just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll get interested when a defense attorney
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, no, they're fucked, But as of right now,
Speaker 1: just is like, uh, you know, he's going to get
Speaker 1: away with it because we're built on the system of
Speaker 1: getting away with it by rich people. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. We'll talk about the Chamber of Commerce, who
Speaker 1: is the real force holding up voting rights And there's
Speaker 1: some pulling that is sort of offers a contrast between
Speaker 1: between the US and how we've reacted to the pandemic
Speaker 1: and other countries. And so I just want to get
Speaker 1: Katie's thoughts on that. Interrogate that lie, big lie a
Speaker 1: little bit right, Yeah, and then talk about spicy me
Speaker 1: balls at least once or twice. And then we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Crypto bro spending three million dollars on a
Speaker 1: Dune book that there's a interesting saga behind behind jam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that ship sounds cool. I remember, it sounds cool.
Speaker 1: I only know of Yodorowsky's done because of like this
Speaker 1: one guy, my friend Alex, who always talked about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's a movie. He's like, no, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I'm like, why are we talking about this?
Speaker 1: I mean he wanted to make a prestige TV series
Speaker 1: before such things existed. We want to make a fourteen
Speaker 1: hour long Dune movie scored by Pink Floyd would have
Speaker 1: been cool, but he failed to realize that that medium
Speaker 1: did not exist yet. All that plenty more, But first, Katie,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? Yeah, Horace Monkey, Ferreal Dogs. I
Speaker 1: can explain. Okay, now, first it's pretty self explanatory. Horace Monkey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Horace Monkey, Feral Dogs. You know it's a it's a
Speaker 1: proge metal band. No, it's a it's a there's a
Speaker 1: vervet monkey named Horace, who is in our a animal
Speaker 1: rescue sanctuary in Zimbabwe, And I was looking up a
Speaker 1: story about how Horace, the vervet monkey grooms this pack
Speaker 1: of feral dogs because they have these dogs that were
Speaker 1: kept as like guard dogs in their sanctuary, and so
Speaker 1: they were mistreated, so they're really kind of unfriendly and aggressive.
Speaker 1: And Horace would patiently, slowly introduced himself to this dog pack.
Speaker 1: He started out grooming this elderly dog named Isabella, who
Speaker 1: let him groom her. And then sooner or later, like
Speaker 1: all the other dogs realized, hey, all Horace wants to
Speaker 1: do is pet us and and groom us and get
Speaker 1: all the ticks and stuff off us. And then soon
Speaker 1: they were all lining up to get a SPA treatment
Speaker 1: from Horace. And now he's part of the dog pack.
Speaker 1: Horace is even grooming cats too. I'm looking at these pictures, Horaces.
Speaker 1: Pet grooming is a boom industry. This is just a
Speaker 1: fucking smart monkey, part of the great resignation man student
Speaker 1: on his own a pet co. Yeah, I just independent.
Speaker 1: I just got a viral one of those clickbait adds.
Speaker 1: It was like, how this monkey made a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars starting his own grooming business. Wait, so how did you?
Speaker 1: Where did you? Because this seems like this is a
Speaker 1: story that's been going on for a few years now,
Speaker 1: like the attention on Horace, What did you? Is this
Speaker 1: a thing that you just thought we were like, oh what,
Speaker 1: I hadn't dreamed a premonition. No, it was for I
Speaker 1: was researching for the podcast. I was looking for fun
Speaker 1: stories from one and I found there's the Smithsonian Channel
Speaker 1: TV series called Amazing Animal Friendships, which is just exactly
Speaker 1: what it sounds like. It's a yeah, monkeys befriending dogs,
Speaker 1: dogs befriending zebras. It's great. I love it. Is there
Speaker 1: a animal like interspecies friendship that like not just like
Speaker 1: a one off, but like just that that tends to
Speaker 1: happen that you is like number one animal like partners
Speaker 1: in the wild that you're you're a fan of? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it Horace and his grooming surface? I mean that's
Speaker 1: more of a that seems like more of a one off,
Speaker 1: But there are animal friendships in the wild that happened
Speaker 1: more often than than just sort of a fluke, Like
Speaker 1: badgers and coyotes sometimes work together in hunting and there's
Speaker 1: there's of course that viral clip of a very excited
Speaker 1: coyote jumping around in this badger just kind of waddling along.
Speaker 1: But they'll hunt together because the badger can dig out
Speaker 1: like prairie dogs and other burrowing little rodents, and then
Speaker 1: meanwhile the coyote can like chase them once they pop
Speaker 1: out of the hole, so basically they kind of trap
Speaker 1: the rodents. So they there's only two wins to a hole,
Speaker 1: so they got to come out of one of them.
Speaker 1: Do they and do they share after like a good
Speaker 1: work your here's your cut, here's your cut, and it's
Speaker 1: just like a prairie dog ass, Yeah, they that would
Speaker 1: be really cute. They don't. It's more that the prairie
Speaker 1: dog or or whatever road and really only has two
Speaker 1: choices of exit and there's either a badger or a
Speaker 1: coyote on the end of it, so one of them
Speaker 1: is going to get fed and okay, so sometimes it'll
Speaker 1: be like, nah, I'll just take my chance to the
Speaker 1: badger right exactly exactly, so you know, is there sorry,
Speaker 1: real quick question on this specific instance. Is it like
Speaker 1: a is it like a steak out? Because the prairie
Speaker 1: dog can like stay in, but probably only stay in
Speaker 1: for so long do they stake out the whole like
Speaker 1: waiting for it to come out, And like smoke cigarettes,
Speaker 1: the badger can actually, yeah, the badger can dig up
Speaker 1: the hole, so the prairie dogs can start freaking out
Speaker 1: and try to escape the other end because it's it's
Speaker 1: the badger is getting in there, whereas the coyote is
Speaker 1: not as much of a great digger when it comes
Speaker 1: to that sort of thing. So, yeah, they work pretty
Speaker 1: well together, all right. I like my version better, but
Speaker 1: go ahead, miles. Yeah, and mine is this like what
Speaker 1: that's what it would call it? It It was a sym
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship. Yeah, any kind of relationship between two animals
Speaker 1: or two species is called symbiosis. And symbiosis can be
Speaker 1: good or bad. So symbiosis can be parasitism or it
Speaker 1: can be mutualism. So the coyote and the badger are
Speaker 1: working together is mutualism. There are other less sort of
Speaker 1: disneyesque mutualistic relationships, like bees and flowers are in a
Speaker 1: mutualistic relationships and they both benefit each other. But yeah,
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, and what's a friendship though, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a word but not mutualistic or parasitic,
Speaker 1: but friendship, you know what I mean. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm hoping we'll see. I mean, all friends have benefits. Miles,
Speaker 1: come on. It's always transaction. I remember seeing like a
Speaker 1: clip of this one is like, oh, look at this
Speaker 1: lioness with like this like young gazelle that it's like
Speaker 1: taken in and it's like protecting. And then like all
Speaker 1: these like people who are injured animals, like it's only
Speaker 1: doing that so the cubs will learn how to play
Speaker 1: with live animals. It's not that he cares about the gazelle. Jesus, Okay,
Speaker 1: that took a turn. Yeah, there's occasionally like a lioness
Speaker 1: who is sort of maybe ostracized and doesn't have a
Speaker 1: pride and doesn't have cubs, who will mistakenly take in
Speaker 1: something like a baby gazelle. But it never usually ends
Speaker 1: in tragedy because the lioness can't take care of a gazelle.
Speaker 1: It's really sad. Exactly. Badgers. I feel like there's also
Speaker 1: the honey badger like partnership that was in that viral
Speaker 1: other viral video right where they work with a bird
Speaker 1: that like spots the honey and then they go in
Speaker 1: and just function up like the honey guide. Yeah, there's Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's actually also the relationship between the honey guide and
Speaker 1: humans which is really interesting. Yeah, like human forgers will
Speaker 1: team up with a honey guide, and the honey guide
Speaker 1: likes the fact that the humans disturbed these hives because
Speaker 1: then they can get at these insects easier. Oh got you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at us we're really doing. Also, I just want
Speaker 1: to say, like there's mutualism, there's parasitism. My parasite actually
Speaker 1: improves me. I'm not I won't get any further into it,
Speaker 1: but I do have a parasite that I mean, you'rees
Speaker 1: are coming in like definition model usque. I keep knowing,
Speaker 1: you man, that tapeworm is doing a number on you.
Speaker 1: But like it's just when you see like it slither
Speaker 1: across my skin that freaks people. Takes a sip of
Speaker 1: your coffee and he goes back in it. You're like, what,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, my tapeworm thinks. What's something you think is overrated? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I guess something that's a little bit topical is
Speaker 1: there was this story sort of framed as this feel
Speaker 1: good story of police officers in Cleveland County, Oklahoma stepping
Speaker 1: into substitute for teachers who are outsick with COVID, And
Speaker 1: it was framed as like, oh, isn't this sweet like
Speaker 1: police officers officers stepping in to educate children when all
Speaker 1: their teachers are sick with COVID. But that seems like
Speaker 1: a nightmare to me, right if, yeah, if my substitute
Speaker 1: teacher was a police officer, I would be peeing and
Speaker 1: pooping myself in class. Can come out of you, right,
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, because I mean I can't think of
Speaker 1: two occupations that are directly on the same wavelength with
Speaker 1: each other as police officer and teacher. Yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems completely like the parallel skill sets, um, you know,
Speaker 1: brutalized for people in service of protecting private property or
Speaker 1: teaching the youth. Sure, yeah, it's like I guess you're
Speaker 1: teaching physics when you body slam a student for no reason? Right?
Speaker 1: That how it works? Interesting? Yeah, like terminal velocity, I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. Were the pictures like cops like in their uniforms,
Speaker 1: like out of blackboard and that was the thing, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: then like smiling, Oh, also cherry on top of the
Speaker 1: doughnut if the yeah is that they weren't wearing masks.
Speaker 1: No masks, And the story was like, oh, the teachers
Speaker 1: are sick with COVID, let's get some maskless police officers
Speaker 1: in here to teach kids. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that we live in a police statement. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I had one experience in my entire scholastic career where
Speaker 1: a cop was my teacher, and that was the DARE program. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's just very memorable. I feel like anybody who
Speaker 1: had the DARE program like remembers that day more than
Speaker 1: most because the cops energy. It's just strange to have
Speaker 1: a person with such bad energy. Yeah. And I grew
Speaker 1: up like, you know, just having it put in my head.
Speaker 1: It's like the police this is it is not a
Speaker 1: good situation, right. So like when I remember Officer Charles
Speaker 1: showed up for our DAIR class, I was like I
Speaker 1: thought I had weed on me just it was just
Speaker 1: like I remember, I was like one of my first
Speaker 1: responses wasn't like wow, cool a cop. Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: guy clearly had the energy of like I screwed up
Speaker 1: pretty bad. That's my teaching. Yeah, Yeah, I remember we
Speaker 1: had like a cop demonstration where they had a K
Speaker 1: nine unit and some other like other cop wearing one
Speaker 1: of those body suits anti dogs poy suits. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then just like had the dog tackle the ship out
Speaker 1: of them and start like, you know, tearing at him.
Speaker 1: And it's like isn't this cool? Kids? And we're like
Speaker 1: that's great. Mr Nicer Man, Like cool, that's why you
Speaker 1: don't behave, don't misbehave. That's what you got waiting for
Speaker 1: you on the other end of that pathway, but you
Speaker 1: won't have that suit on. Yeah, And like I just
Speaker 1: don't understand how any of the adults didn't think like
Speaker 1: this seems scary. Like they're terrorizing the students with the
Speaker 1: promise of violence, you know, if they happened to run
Speaker 1: foul the law or not or not run a foul
Speaker 1: the law just exist. What do you think? Like the
Speaker 1: teachers I had in the nineties, they had been clearly
Speaker 1: teaching since the sixties, so for them everything was like great,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, and it was maybe
Speaker 1: only like the new or younger teachers who are like
Speaker 1: maybe not the best thing, but like for the people
Speaker 1: who are like I remember when this school was segregating
Speaker 1: almost like that kind of energy. They probably didn't care
Speaker 1: as much, not that that was happening, but you get you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did find that the DARE program, like people who
Speaker 1: were exposed to the DARE program were more likely to
Speaker 1: use drugs than people who weren't, so at least it
Speaker 1: did some good. Yeah, it's yeah, there is a gateway
Speaker 1: drug and taught us what the good stuff was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly I did. It was the first time I smelled weed,
Speaker 1: like really up close. It was also the first time
Speaker 1: I had like learned the urban legend that math gives
Speaker 1: you superpowers. They're like talking about how somebody on meth
Speaker 1: was like shot eight times and kept coming and like
Speaker 1: through a fucking dumpster at a police car. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the car You're like and I and I've said this
Speaker 1: before in the podcast. When YouTube came out, that was
Speaker 1: like the first few years of YouTube. All I was
Speaker 1: searching for was a video evidence that that was possible.
Speaker 1: I was like, where's guy on PCP throwing car overhead? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they also would teach us like obscure ways to
Speaker 1: get high, Like you know, if you take a can
Speaker 1: of like computer screen cleaner and like snore to you'll
Speaker 1: get high and it's like, oh, that never really occurred
Speaker 1: to me, and how do you do this exactly? You know,
Speaker 1: that's the same thing. He's like, Hey, how many you
Speaker 1: guys know about hot knives? And we're like what. He's like,
Speaker 1: you take two knives and you put it over your
Speaker 1: stove and you get them red hot, and then you
Speaker 1: put a piece of hash there and then you can
Speaker 1: inhale the smoke that is generated from your too hot
Speaker 1: knives pressed against the hashish. And it was like, what
Speaker 1: the right Because the copster is they're like trying to like,
Speaker 1: the second you get in front of a room, you
Speaker 1: just want to like entertain and impress. You're just like,
Speaker 1: what's the coolest shit I've ever seen? Like that, what's
Speaker 1: the coolest thing I know about drugs? And then you
Speaker 1: just go with that. Yeah, one time I saw a
Speaker 1: pit bull jump into a second story balcony from the
Speaker 1: ground floor and you're like, okay, yeah, Like it did
Speaker 1: feel like that at times. And I've said this before.
Speaker 1: Half of the class was him trying to get people
Speaker 1: to like guess what his vanity license plate meant. What
Speaker 1: he was like, who knows, Hey, you guys see my
Speaker 1: Ford Ranger, Like what do you think the license plate means?
Speaker 1: And we're like, what the funk is this? Well, like,
Speaker 1: get us out of here, man, this same weed is bad.
Speaker 1: And he brought it in the last class. He's like
Speaker 1: he took it off his car and Brian and he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, it's our last class and I don't
Speaker 1: want everybody to write down what they think and if
Speaker 1: they're right, like a starburst or something. And it was
Speaker 1: it was pr n c h A S p r
Speaker 1: h A S yeah, porn. It was Prince Charles. And
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, your name's Charles. It's like, yeah, I'm Charles,
Speaker 1: and okay, full prince and an oppressors and that has
Speaker 1: to do with the program, Like okay, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but that's what I mean, Like what what is thought?
Speaker 1: There's going to be some like tie into the theme
Speaker 1: of the there's a very good chance that one of
Speaker 1: those classrooms had to sit through him talking about his
Speaker 1: divorce and just kind of going through with the class
Speaker 1: sobbing a little bit. Everyone. Remember, Yeah, his ex was like,
Speaker 1: your fucking vanity plate doesn't even make sense, and so
Speaker 1: he like made the whole thing trying to prove to
Speaker 1: her that like a bunch of twelve year olds could
Speaker 1: tell what it was, and like they couldn't. He's like,
Speaker 1: come on, Prince, divorce papers have been signed. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the point of this is. I've already we've
Speaker 1: already made our decision whatever. And then like I remember
Speaker 1: the first day class he's writing on the blackboard, officer,
Speaker 1: and then add just like no, no, uh what is
Speaker 1: what some do you think is underrated? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: that non honey bees, so native b species that are
Speaker 1: not are the typical honeybee, are really cool. And when
Speaker 1: people think about the bees, like saving the bees, I
Speaker 1: think the typical image we have in our heads is
Speaker 1: like the honey bees because they make honey and they're cool,
Speaker 1: and I love honey bees. Nothing. This is no shade
Speaker 1: thrown at honey bees. But native b species can be
Speaker 1: really different and really cool, and they're often the ones
Speaker 1: most in need of conservation, and they're also just extremely
Speaker 1: rad like the leaf cutting bee, which is not a
Speaker 1: honey bee and it doesn't live in a colony. A
Speaker 1: lot of these non honey bees are actually solitary, so
Speaker 1: they'll raise their own young live their solitary lives. But
Speaker 1: the leaf cutting bee does really cool ship like builds
Speaker 1: these little leaf doobie is uh like little leaf cigars
Speaker 1: that they laid their eggs in. Well they look I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess technically they look more like a roach, but
Speaker 1: like they there they just roll these leaves in like
Speaker 1: dead wood and then stuff they're larva inside, and then
Speaker 1: their larva grow up in these little leaf cocoons as
Speaker 1: the safe crib. And yeah, just like google leaf cutter
Speaker 1: b cocoon. And also farmers will buy like leafcutter bee
Speaker 1: cocoons and just set them up somewhere because it's like
Speaker 1: great pest control, it's great for pollination. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think just learning more about non honey bees, you'll often
Speaker 1: find some really cool bee species. Yeah. The only be
Speaker 1: non honeybee I can name is a carpenter bee. Those
Speaker 1: are very cool because they're so big. And I remember
Speaker 1: as a kid, I would like scream like because they're
Speaker 1: just like this looks like the hulk of bees. And
Speaker 1: I remember my dad and like it's a carpenter bet.
Speaker 1: They don't staying you're good and like that was always
Speaker 1: like my way to you know, exude calm, like in
Speaker 1: middle school when people like I'm like it's a carpenter bee.
Speaker 1: Let it pass. It wants nothing to do with us.
Speaker 1: You just have a have a batman voice. Yes, suddenly,
Speaker 1: and because if you know, like most kids, I'm regurgitating
Speaker 1: a thing. I heard an adults say, we thought those
Speaker 1: giant hornets that were supposed to take over the globe
Speaker 1: that progress report. Yeah, yeah, they're still occasionally found. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're gone yet. They haven't like taken over.
Speaker 1: I think the problem with those ones is that the
Speaker 1: bees here in North America didn't evolve alongside them. So
Speaker 1: like Asian honey bees and other Asian be species have
Speaker 1: evolved defenses against the giant hornet, the the Asian hornet,
Speaker 1: whereas here they have of it. So like in Asian
Speaker 1: countries where the giant hornet is a native to the
Speaker 1: native bees have defense mechanisms like they'll form this big
Speaker 1: b ball and vibrate until they literally cook the cornet
Speaker 1: to death. Yeah, and uh, they'll you know, also like
Speaker 1: smear poop outside of their hive to ward off the hornets.
Speaker 1: And in the US they just haven't evolved these defense mechanisms,
Speaker 1: so they don't know what the hell to do when
Speaker 1: on giant Asian corners. We got soft yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Alright, well, it feels like
Speaker 1: that was a pre pandemic news story when we had
Speaker 1: to make up stuff to be scared of. But from Asia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, Asian stuff. Oh thank god. If you guys
Speaker 1: seen parasite, well I'm not falling for it, neither should you.
Speaker 1: This COVID bullshit sounds like Katie's countries another matter altogether. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're really losing losing their mut balls about it. That's
Speaker 1: right from podcast, that famous phrase. But that's what they say.
Speaker 1: They don't really have meatballs much here. Just for the record,
Speaker 1: what I mean they do it? Are you sure they do?
Speaker 1: I guess technically it's just not a big thing, like
Speaker 1: occasionally maybe maybe they're so spicy they just know that
Speaker 1: they you won't be able to handle them. They're like,
Speaker 1: she's only been here, tender American, the spicy petall spicy,
Speaker 1: can handle the thing. The memes aren't gonna stop. Just
Speaker 1: keep it quiet. Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. And we're back, and we're way
Speaker 1: behind schedule. Katie's too interesting to talk to blow through
Speaker 1: these uh, these stories. Yeah, blah blah blah, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna have voting rights blah blah blah. Let's how about
Speaker 1: Dune Hell yeah, dog. Not so the debates. I mean
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on this last week. The Republicans
Speaker 1: are have basically pulled out of all debates going forward. Yeah.
Speaker 1: More specifically, they're like, we have no confidence in the
Speaker 1: Committee on Presidential Debates and like their ability to be
Speaker 1: unbiased or give advantages to the Democrats. But they founded that,
Speaker 1: they founded the the Commission on Presidential Debates. Stop stop
Speaker 1: stop bringing facts in here in this church. That's old
Speaker 1: Republicans like Ronna McDaniel, Ronna Romney McDaniel, Admit Romney's niece
Speaker 1: there is the head of the RNC. And you know,
Speaker 1: when this announcement was made, there's been all kinds of these,
Speaker 1: you know, justifications, excuses whatever. Like one was like I mean,
Speaker 1: like there was the one debate where they let Joe
Speaker 1: Biden do it virtual. Suddenly it's like, yeah, when Trump
Speaker 1: had COVID, what are you talking about? Like that's okay,
Speaker 1: thanks for Exhibit A in your prosecution and all of
Speaker 1: it just like it all just falls short because it's
Speaker 1: all sort of some version of like everything's against the
Speaker 1: Republicans and we can't get a fair shake, and really
Speaker 1: what it is. I think it's just pretty clear. It's
Speaker 1: like your party platform is going so far right. Even
Speaker 1: like Himmler would be like, hey, whoa easy, let's let's
Speaker 1: like graduate place. Yeah, like you don't jump right into
Speaker 1: this like ethno state stuff like off the gate at
Speaker 1: the gate. So I think, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are right to point out it's like
Speaker 1: it makes a little more sense why you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to have like a neo Nazi candidate on stage having
Speaker 1: to defend their like fascist beliefs, while some like corporate
Speaker 1: Democrat could merely just like gesture to them and be
Speaker 1: like you see that suburbs and this is the debate,
Speaker 1: no substance. It's me just saying look over there, and
Speaker 1: I don't have to say anything. But I think it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's all in a part of
Speaker 1: a very cynical party making very cynical moves. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's funny because of the Commission on Presidential Debates again,
Speaker 1: like it was founded by the RNC and like the
Speaker 1: back what was it in like the seventies, something around
Speaker 1: a televised debate became a big thing. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean originally it was like controlled by like the League
Speaker 1: of Women Voters, But then the how did the RNC
Speaker 1: wanted to have this commission so that the rn C
Speaker 1: and I guess also the d n C could make
Speaker 1: decisions on how they wanted the debates run by like
Speaker 1: being able to basically approve or disapprove moderators and and
Speaker 1: exclude third party candidates. So it's not a great system
Speaker 1: because it gives basically control over the debate conditions to
Speaker 1: the rn C and d n C, who are of
Speaker 1: course going to try to make it favorable to themselves.
Speaker 1: But now that's even not good enough for the r
Speaker 1: n C. I guess, like it's just got to be
Speaker 1: total authoritarianism. Yeah, it's just how low the bar for
Speaker 1: democracy has fallen that like even seeing their candidate and
Speaker 1: an unplanned, like un moderated like by them situation is
Speaker 1: just too much for them, because their whole thing is
Speaker 1: based on like being able to portray specifically to each person,
Speaker 1: like what that person wants to hear, and so you know,
Speaker 1: they can be fascist to the fascists, but like on
Speaker 1: a broader stage, they won't be fascists. And this just
Speaker 1: makes it so they never have to like do that
Speaker 1: broader stage thing where they're like held to account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not that the debates are good at that, but they
Speaker 1: were at least a thing that attempted to do that,
Speaker 1: and they're going away. Yeah, so you'll just have to
Speaker 1: you'll have to read up voters to figure out where
Speaker 1: your your candidates and beliefs are and things like hate crimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce is kind of the force behind all
Speaker 1: the you know, refusing to even funk with the filibuster.
Speaker 1: You know, they're kind of an underrated force, right. It's
Speaker 1: like big Big, if big business had a central like
Speaker 1: nervous system. The Chamber of Commerce is like them. It's
Speaker 1: under raised, under discussed, under analyzed in mainstream media because yeah,
Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce is like the voltron of all
Speaker 1: the corporations, being like and we are the lobbying arm
Speaker 1: that you know, has a tremendous way because the way
Speaker 1: they look at is like, you know, if you're good
Speaker 1: mainstream candidate, you want to be like, hey man, business
Speaker 1: books with me too. I got the Chamber of Commerce.
Speaker 1: They've endorsed me and if and if they don't endorse you,
Speaker 1: they can provide some headaches for you during campaign. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like as it relates to the filibuster and voting stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, like Joe Mansion and Kirsten Cinema, But Joe
Speaker 1: Mansion really, like especially recently, has been parroting just a
Speaker 1: lot of talking points that have come out of the
Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce in terms of like why the filibuster
Speaker 1: like doesn't need to be like messed with at all
Speaker 1: for you know, if you're like reading the New York
Speaker 1: Times or like, you know, he's a traditionalist, like along
Speaker 1: with Cinema, who feels like they shouldn't be altering rules
Speaker 1: for things like this. But if you look at how
Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce talks about filibuster reform, it's clear
Speaker 1: that they see the filibuster not just as not really
Speaker 1: that as it relates to like voting access, but how
Speaker 1: it can affect capital. Right. So this is like when
Speaker 1: they were talking about the potential for minimum wage and
Speaker 1: you know, the ease for workers to unionize. And just
Speaker 1: to say, it's been five weeks since the I Heart
Speaker 1: Podcast union was announced and we still have not heard
Speaker 1: a response from the company. But we'll stay tuned, folks.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, folks. It's a it's a it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a long one. But in this instance, the Chamber of
Speaker 1: Commerce is talking about minimum ways and unionizing and is
Speaker 1: the quote because of the filibuster, neither can become laws
Speaker 1: currently written. That's what they wrote to like lawmakers. And
Speaker 1: then they said they expressed concern quote that without the filibuster,
Speaker 1: voters could have the power to elect new lawmakers who
Speaker 1: could change public policy. Yeah, that's literally you know what
Speaker 1: that Yeah, going on to stay quote, imagine if major
Speaker 1: portions of federal policy constantly changed on a purely partisan
Speaker 1: basis every time one or the other party finds itself
Speaker 1: in unified control of the government. Again, said what if
Speaker 1: the government changed when people voted for it? Right? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think the same. It's like a pretty
Speaker 1: interesting take, especially because Mansion I think inten supported voting
Speaker 1: rights bill that the John Lewis Act, which I think
Speaker 1: back then was called it's called something else, but it
Speaker 1: it became the John Lewis Act. Yeah, and he's supported
Speaker 1: in fact, I think he was, like he was a
Speaker 1: co sponsor back in and now he's opposing it, and
Speaker 1: so it makes a lot of sense that he's getting,
Speaker 1: you know, some pressure from you know. And the thing
Speaker 1: is they with lobbying groups, they make it very easy
Speaker 1: to package donations to your campaign. They take a lot
Speaker 1: of leg work out for candidates. You know. That's the
Speaker 1: reason why lobbyings like lobbyists at that level, they're so
Speaker 1: detrimental to how things work because like, yeah, man, if
Speaker 1: I just bum beholden to them, like it makes my
Speaker 1: fundraising so much easier and I have to do less work.
Speaker 1: And you sort of go on to see like why
Speaker 1: they really hate this. First of all, the Chamber of
Speaker 1: Commerce sort of let you know, any candidate know, like
Speaker 1: you funk around with the filibuster, like you will smoke
Speaker 1: your ass. We're not we're not even playing, Like you
Speaker 1: better not be open to any kind of filibuster reform.
Speaker 1: And again they articulated all for us in very plain
Speaker 1: english for everyone to understand why. So this is what
Speaker 1: they talk about as released the filibuster quote. For example,
Speaker 1: within two months, the House of Representatives has passed fifteen
Speaker 1: dollar national minimum wage and a radical rewrite of US
Speaker 1: labor law known as the pro Act. Because of the
Speaker 1: filibuster neither can become laws currently written. In a world
Speaker 1: without the filibuster, both might be the law of the land,
Speaker 1: that is, until a republican unified government repealed them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's just this fucking domino, right, is that we
Speaker 1: have this potential that when you get rid of the filibuster,
Speaker 1: that's a simple majority is things that can dictate our
Speaker 1: processes and processes and regulations in the country. But Democrats
Speaker 1: aren't going to call that out, Like you're not gonna
Speaker 1: hear Chuck Schumer be like, hey man, it's a fucking
Speaker 1: change Amber of Commerce is, isn't this guy's ear, because
Speaker 1: then they're gonna snitch on themselves because both parties are
Speaker 1: behold like they very much listen to the Chamber of Commerce.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see that even with like a lot
Speaker 1: of the pushes to like reopen things, a lot of
Speaker 1: that stems from the lobbying efforts of the Chamber of
Speaker 1: Commerce or even you know, so many things like progressive
Speaker 1: d a s. The Chamber of Commerce or business leagues
Speaker 1: don't want these kinds of progressive district attorneys in. So
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people are sort of left to
Speaker 1: look at the situation and just based on what they're
Speaker 1: seeing on like CNN or MSNBC or whatever. It's almost
Speaker 1: that they think, well, why won't Joe and Kirsten just
Speaker 1: let go of their attachment to these old traditions Like that,
Speaker 1: that's what the issue is here, rather than the Congress
Speaker 1: is made up of a bunch of I know, Jack,
Speaker 1: you don't you take you don't like this word funk
Speaker 1: with And I don't mean that they're stupid. I just
Speaker 1: mean I don't like them, That's what I said, but
Speaker 1: that the Congress has made up a bunch of these
Speaker 1: fucking greedy funs that are only there to serve their
Speaker 1: own interests as long as they intersect with the aims
Speaker 1: of the ruling business class. Like that's that's you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're being puppited for sure. I just
Speaker 1: the only thing, I just the idea that they're idiots,
Speaker 1: which I do. You know, here a lot is I
Speaker 1: think misleading. I think there, you know, in the same
Speaker 1: way that we've learned that like cults tend to be
Speaker 1: made up of people who are of higher intelligence and
Speaker 1: higher education than the average person. It's like they have
Speaker 1: really smart people whose entire self worth is built around
Speaker 1: this central idea that they are the elite and must
Speaker 1: be must make decisions for the masses and in order
Speaker 1: to you know, protect them from themselves. And it's just
Speaker 1: very I think that is the central lie that you
Speaker 1: learn in Like that's what a lot of the highest
Speaker 1: you know, rated universities in America like are churning out.
Speaker 1: Like people talk about them being like left wing, but
Speaker 1: a lot of them are like, no, you gotta like
Speaker 1: get funding from massive corporation and like that's how you
Speaker 1: like get shipped done. And there's all these networks of
Speaker 1: people who work at like these massive like tech corporations
Speaker 1: mostly now, and like they look out for each other
Speaker 1: and like that is also kind of interwoven into all
Speaker 1: of this, and it's just very hard to fight the yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a virtuous cycle or vicious circle
Speaker 1: or snake eating its own butt kind of situation. Because
Speaker 1: the obviously the fact that we have such reliance on
Speaker 1: like Krson Cinema and Mansion is because the very disproportionate
Speaker 1: presence of Republicans in House of Representatives and the Senate,
Speaker 1: because the electoral process is all messed up, like it's
Speaker 1: not one person, one vote, it's completely skewed in favor
Speaker 1: for publicans because that's how that's you know, just how
Speaker 1: the system has been set up to give these smaller
Speaker 1: states uh more voting power. And then that means that
Speaker 1: we're always going to kind of unless you get some
Speaker 1: massive like turnout of voters, you're always going to have
Speaker 1: this like kind of razor thin edge margin. And then
Speaker 1: it's very easy to like convince one Democrat to like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know, Kirsten, love your style, love love the whigs
Speaker 1: and the outfits. It's so so you're working. It's so hard. Anyways,
Speaker 1: could you maybe um, you know, maybe oppose these things
Speaker 1: that you said you would before, because you know, girl,
Speaker 1: like the truth is like you're gonna you're gonna get
Speaker 1: no money from us if you don't do that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, from has that statement made clear? Like it's
Speaker 1: not complicated like they said it like very clearly. Like
Speaker 1: so the House of Representatives past a fifteen dollar national
Speaker 1: minimum wage, which is keeping pace with not even keeping
Speaker 1: pace with inflation, but like the minimum wage has been
Speaker 1: like criminally just left behind in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years. So they're like, we can't let that happen,
Speaker 1: and so that's why we need to do this thing.
Speaker 1: We are the face of big business. Like that is
Speaker 1: a very simple story, but they need to make it
Speaker 1: seem complicated, and like you know, they're these forces and
Speaker 1: their traditionalists, which means like okay, so they're going like
Speaker 1: there's some complicated ideology behind it, and like that is
Speaker 1: the New York Times, that is like the supposed supposedly
Speaker 1: liberal media that is get it, putting that message out
Speaker 1: there instead of just telling this story over and over again,
Speaker 1: which is very simple. But that like the idea that
Speaker 1: this is very complicated is like it's only as complicated
Speaker 1: as they make it seem to try and bore you
Speaker 1: into not paying attention. Yeah, they're not. They're not super
Speaker 1: into tradition. They're super into capital. So they're not traditionalists there,
Speaker 1: capital ologists, Yeah, I think that's the word. Capitologists. Capitologists that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, all right, well let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: some dipshits who spent too much money on a dune book.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and we're back actually there. So there's the
Speaker 1: the round of polls that I just saw, like getting
Speaker 1: some attention in the mainstream media that was like, and
Speaker 1: I've seen this a couple of plays, there's a decrease
Speaker 1: in the popularity of like what they're calling populism with
Speaker 1: the pandemic because like you're both Scenarrows and your Trumps
Speaker 1: just completely fucked it up when there was a global
Speaker 1: pandemic and the more technocratic politicians like Angela Merkell didn't,
Speaker 1: and so they're people are kind of turning back towards
Speaker 1: that is that is that something I actually have No
Speaker 1: havn't the first clue about Italian politics, but is that
Speaker 1: like a a vibe you're picking up in Italy, Katie,
Speaker 1: like an idea of like, okay, enough with this fucking
Speaker 1: crazy bullshit. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: there is some more trust in the government as of
Speaker 1: late because of the sort of you know, fears around COVID.
Speaker 1: I'm not I mean, like Italian politics, I don't thoroughly
Speaker 1: understand yet. There is there's like a new fascist movement
Speaker 1: in Italy that is a pretty pretty rascally and rambunctious
Speaker 1: but like very tiny percentage of people support it, and
Speaker 1: I think like it's one of those things where they
Speaker 1: openly called themselves neo fascists, and but their politics are
Speaker 1: probably pretty similar to like the alt right in the US.
Speaker 1: But it also just has a lot less support amongst people.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, like they'll have these like
Speaker 1: anti green past protests and stuff, and they're typically pretty
Speaker 1: pretty small and not. Yeah, and I think that like
Speaker 1: in general, people have been I think Italy just got
Speaker 1: so scarred early on from how horrific COVID hit Italy,
Speaker 1: and people haven't really forgotten that. So people are kind
Speaker 1: of more willing to sort of And it's it's funny
Speaker 1: because there's definitely I think a lot of people here
Speaker 1: like hate the bureaucracy, and it's not like there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of like most of the patriotism seems to
Speaker 1: be about like an Italian identity, not about the government.
Speaker 1: But I think like the pandemic has made people feel
Speaker 1: a little more trusting of the government because they feel
Speaker 1: like they're they're doing something about it. Not that I'm
Speaker 1: an expert on I have not I have not run
Speaker 1: a poll on Italian So I'm just facing this on
Speaker 1: he just shout out your window real quick, Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's what's going on out here? Yeah. But that's so
Speaker 1: that same study found that tribalism is the one place
Speaker 1: is not abating as the US. So we're an outlier.
Speaker 1: I think Malcolm Gladwell said, that's good that we're to
Speaker 1: be an outlier. I'm a kid born at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year and I'm good at hockey. Now, Malcolm
Speaker 1: Gladwell says a lot of things, doesn't he Yeah, the best,
Speaker 1: But I mean I get that part the thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a bigger kid. Okay, I get him, Malcolm, I
Speaker 1: see here. Now he makes his interesting things and was
Speaker 1: just wild leaps of still want to fucking invade the
Speaker 1: l a golf course. Golf course is like raiding Vikings
Speaker 1: but that and that was based on a podcast from him.
Speaker 1: But then there's a bunch of ship. He says that
Speaker 1: it is widely misleading. Anyways, there's also this poll that
Speaker 1: is being kind of quote alongside this that's like and
Speaker 1: you know, younger people are turning to the left, and
Speaker 1: they're voting is getting more and more like they we're
Speaker 1: seeing increased participation in you know, the democratic process. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to see a real drop off in
Speaker 1: that in the next couple of elections. I think if
Speaker 1: they don't see that coming, I think they're going to
Speaker 1: be really real surprised that how how few people are
Speaker 1: going to be motivated to go out and vote for
Speaker 1: Democrats when the Democrats aren't doing ship get to the
Speaker 1: root of what what might have motivated people to participate.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that generationally, ah, you younger people are like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this hell world I'm in? Like,
Speaker 1: like my grandfather was able to support like his four
Speaker 1: kids with like a custodian job and they all went
Speaker 1: to college. Huh in this country? And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's just the and I don't know, unwillingness or just
Speaker 1: that sort of they're just oblivious, maybe willfully to what
Speaker 1: those elements are because that would that would be I guess,
Speaker 1: too drastic of a change for our policies here. When
Speaker 1: when those polls are asking about populism, they're not distinguishing
Speaker 1: between left and right population, it seems like you're mentioning
Speaker 1: like Bolsonaro and stuff that seems like that's more right
Speaker 1: wing populism, whereas you know, left wing populism isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: being represented there. Yep, that's another little trick they do
Speaker 1: is populists like Trump and Bernie Sanders, and it's like,
Speaker 1: did you find that his policy he became less popular. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember during the election how they kept calling Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders Trumpien because he would like do a speech. Look
Speaker 1: at him, he's all on behalf of the working poor.
Speaker 1: What is this guy wagging his finger positively trumpion? Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely all right, but we do have to talk about
Speaker 1: this Dune bullshit. So Dune are two favorite things. Dune
Speaker 1: and Crypto Bros. So cryptic. There's like a headline going
Speaker 1: around about Crypto Bros. Spending three million dollars on a
Speaker 1: Dune book. It's very kind of confusing, but basically so
Speaker 1: there's a book with all the drawings that Jodorowski like
Speaker 1: put together. And I'm not saying Joe Darrowski's Alejandro Jodorowski
Speaker 1: j O d O r O ws K what if
Speaker 1: you want to look it up, but he great our
Speaker 1: just who was making going to make this fourteen hour
Speaker 1: Dune with music from Pink Floyd, a cast including Orson
Speaker 1: Welles and Salvador Dolly, just the people. There's a documentary
Speaker 1: about it, and everyone's like really in love with his
Speaker 1: vision for this movie. He created a giant book of
Speaker 1: concept art that was sent out to potential backers that
Speaker 1: made twenty at the time. Only around ten are thought
Speaker 1: to still exist, and so some some of those books
Speaker 1: went up to frop auction at Christie's. They were expecting
Speaker 1: it to go for between twenty eight thousand and forty thousand,
Speaker 1: and ended up selling nearly three million dollars for three
Speaker 1: million dollars, which is more than those other estimates. Right
Speaker 1: yeah wait, okay, so who are these ball in ass bros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the winning bid was placed by a twenty five
Speaker 1: year old cryptocurrency nerd and n f T collector acting
Speaker 1: on behalf of the Spice Dow, a network of doom
Speaker 1: loving cryptocurrency enthusiasts, and that the degree to which you
Speaker 1: can raise money in the crypto world is kind of
Speaker 1: was my main takeaway from this story. So he spent
Speaker 1: three million of his own money, but was looking to
Speaker 1: get paid back by the Decentralized Autonomous Organization DOW d
Speaker 1: a O, which is basically an Internet community with a
Speaker 1: bank account. He asked the DOW for six million dollars
Speaker 1: because three point eight million after taxes and legal fees
Speaker 1: equals six million dollars and another two point two million
Speaker 1: to make an animated film inspired by his vision. So
Speaker 1: it's like a crypto go fund me. Yeah, a little
Speaker 1: dat and switch there. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: noticed that, but crypto investors are goalible. Went from I
Speaker 1: bought this book for this amount of money too, I
Speaker 1: bought this book and really it was for double that
Speaker 1: amount of money that was reported. And also I would
Speaker 1: like an additional two point two million dollars to make
Speaker 1: a cartoon, even though you've never seen any work by
Speaker 1: me and I'm just a crypto bro. Surely you're not
Speaker 1: saying that crypto bros who will guilelessly click on a
Speaker 1: tweet under an Elon Musk tweet that says like, hey,
Speaker 1: free crypto giveaway and then lose like four hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in crypto by doing that because they think that
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is tweeting it, even though it's a different
Speaker 1: account tweeting it. You're saying those people might have gotten scammed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it's hard to believe the community. So this
Speaker 1: is the part where my head started to spend. The community,
Speaker 1: which apparently includes Grimes among its members, So there is
Speaker 1: a tangential connection to Elon Musk ended up raising between
Speaker 1: eleven and twelve million dollars. Okay, go all you some money. Honestly,
Speaker 1: we're stupid as fun. We just don't. You're stealing straight
Speaker 1: crypto off of people. That is what cryptos for though,
Speaker 1: it's we didn't have enough things too, Like the tech
Speaker 1: billionaires didn't have enough thing to do, things to do
Speaker 1: with their money, so this is h Yeah, this gives
Speaker 1: them dumb ship to do with their money. So like,
Speaker 1: and how does this work right, because you're saying it's
Speaker 1: like a crypto community with a bank account, so a Sensibly,
Speaker 1: it's like he's pitching this vision of like I will
Speaker 1: acquire the book and then you guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: like producers like of the thing or what what? What's
Speaker 1: how are they incentivized to participate in the So if
Speaker 1: you buy a book, how does that give you the
Speaker 1: rights to Katie? These are questions. It sounds like you
Speaker 1: might you might should have been involved in the Branton
Speaker 1: Storm session before anybody started this project. So Miles, you
Speaker 1: you did ask an interesting question. What do they get
Speaker 1: how do they get back? It is of course in
Speaker 1: uh dollar signs spice tokens, and so that is just fake.
Speaker 1: So you get for your real world money, fake spice money,
Speaker 1: like doing doing money. And also you get a chance
Speaker 1: to vote on what actually happens with the book, A
Speaker 1: chance to vote, like in the United States where it's
Speaker 1: not guaranteed. I don't know, you might vote. A chance
Speaker 1: to fucking vote. Yeah, dog, you're that's my vote. Party
Speaker 1: jam pointed out that that is a worse investment than
Speaker 1: just actual spice, any spice. If you just put that
Speaker 1: money in like cinnamon or something cinnamon, cinnamon futures, you
Speaker 1: would do much better. But spiced out Twitter tweeted out
Speaker 1: their mission, which includes making the book public to the
Speaker 1: extent permitted by law, and to produce an original animated
Speaker 1: limited series inspired by the book and sell it to
Speaker 1: a streaming service. It's just so easy. But owning a
Speaker 1: physical book doesn't give you the rights to that book.
Speaker 1: I have a I have a copy of the Pelican
Speaker 1: Brief from the nineties, and so I have the I'm
Speaker 1: shopping it around to two investors to possibly make it
Speaker 1: into a movie, a movie like remake it maybe an
Speaker 1: entire fictional series. I don't know. I have a copy
Speaker 1: of the Bible, so thank you, Mel Gibson owes me
Speaker 1: some royalties. So people are pointing out that that's not
Speaker 1: how things work, or like making the book public is
Speaker 1: also a bit concerning because there was some discussion within
Speaker 1: the community of turning its content into n f t
Speaker 1: s and then burning the actual book in order to
Speaker 1: make the n f t s more valuable. Just because
Speaker 1: we've like gone into a world without any sort of
Speaker 1: gravitational like pool of logic. It's just sure, so if
Speaker 1: you do this, then maybe it'll go up temporarily. And
Speaker 1: then don't this bice tokens or real money just use
Speaker 1: its pages to print out a bunch of board apes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One user even suggested burning the book. So nobody has
Speaker 1: sued over copyright claims when the scans go public, which
Speaker 1: is not how like anything in the world works, do
Speaker 1: they think do they think the book is alive? Do
Speaker 1: they think like the book would be the ones suing them?
Speaker 1: And there it's like we got to murder the book. Hey, nobody,
Speaker 1: no crime. Man, If we kill the book the book,
Speaker 1: we control the book. Yeah. Like and also like by
Speaker 1: this logic, if I'm streaming the New Matrix film, but
Speaker 1: because I like destroyed a DVD I had of it
Speaker 1: that's supposed to like absolve me of any kind of
Speaker 1: like wrongdoing. And I'm really having trouble with Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what they mean. They say, burning a
Speaker 1: copy of a tvd AM I right, only nineties kids
Speaker 1: will get that. The I mean, so, like keep keeping
Speaker 1: in mind that what they're talking about is like if
Speaker 1: this was an original book of art by somebody that
Speaker 1: had like passed in the public domain, like some of
Speaker 1: this might make sense. But not only is this, you know,
Speaker 1: more recent than that and hasn't passed in the public domain,
Speaker 1: it is an adaptation of a famous novel that was
Speaker 1: just adapted by like a major Hollywood studio that has
Speaker 1: all the lawyers in the world that it's disposal to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I mean it seems like this might
Speaker 1: just be hiding like the a small motive of somebody
Speaker 1: like who wants to you know, whip up interest in
Speaker 1: some unrelated projects, piling all this bullshit on top of it.
Speaker 1: But it just seems like people aren't aware of what
Speaker 1: they're doing with their money. They don't know what adapting
Speaker 1: the book actually means. And yeah, it reveals like so
Speaker 1: many things. Like you know, it's like the energy of
Speaker 1: these people too, where it's like, yeah, man, we're on
Speaker 1: the cutting edge and we don't even know what the
Speaker 1: laws are, right, and like that's not even a like
Speaker 1: a deterring force if they don't know how books work.
Speaker 1: I there must be a parallel to like the plot
Speaker 1: of Dune. I'm just not familiar enough with Dune to
Speaker 1: like be like, yeah, this this is like when Paul
Speaker 1: Trades like bought a bunch of like spice nuts and
Speaker 1: you know, try to make a movie out of a
Speaker 1: book spice. I don't know, they come warm. It's like
Speaker 1: a warm poop, right, the spice. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: is actually worm poop. That's okay. You know, if if
Speaker 1: you can't respect the culture of our rackus, then you
Speaker 1: shouldn't even begin to wade into these waters. For it's
Speaker 1: just really gonna just really gonna just highlight how ignorant
Speaker 1: you are. So just the ultimate problem is like any
Speaker 1: similarity that this project that they claimed to be like
Speaker 1: trying or that they might see really be trying to
Speaker 1: whip up enthusiasm for any similarity it has to the
Speaker 1: original Dune or Jodorowski's unproduced film, like they have already
Speaker 1: said that it's inspired by that, so like you already
Speaker 1: have as the like central like nut of the idea.
Speaker 1: The thing that would make it illegal were to ever
Speaker 1: get investment Plan B of just renaming its sand planet
Speaker 1: is probably not gonna work. It's not gonna work, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: This like also exhibit A, this is a tweet from
Speaker 1: at the Spice Dow. We want just like their whole
Speaker 1: plan is there in a suite, right, there's no you
Speaker 1: have no defense. You've already said we intend to iterate
Speaker 1: and creative derivative works based on this intellectual property. And
Speaker 1: I do understand, like the black chain is cool. There
Speaker 1: are like cool things about n f t s, but
Speaker 1: this is the reason we make kind of like the
Speaker 1: whole market was a huge failure. The N two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: god it's it's not as bad as the Popeye Jones
Speaker 1: Ones I bought, so don't worry about it. Oh, just
Speaker 1: a cool thing that is being done with cryptos. I
Speaker 1: think NGOs in Afghanistan are trying to bypass the sanctions
Speaker 1: with some crypto because there's a whole famine situation. They're
Speaker 1: killing a bunch of people. Yeah, and how quickly the
Speaker 1: news changes in the US. Yeah, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: gonna it's not gonna like save everyone, but at least
Speaker 1: it's something that's happening. You know. They're very very cool
Speaker 1: theoretical things about that, you know, the some of the
Speaker 1: things that could be done with n f T S
Speaker 1: and black chain, and it just feels like there's also
Speaker 1: a giant universe of incredibly dumb ship that is being
Speaker 1: done with it and also being like marketed to the
Speaker 1: type of people who might listen to our podcast. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, That's that's my point of view on
Speaker 1: it is like it seems like unless there's like a
Speaker 1: very concrete and clear way that this is being used
Speaker 1: to help people, I would be very very mean. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, for all those examples like the
Speaker 1: one Katie brings up, the things that get all the
Speaker 1: air time are just like the the grossest versions of it,
Speaker 1: you know. And and I think that and and because
Speaker 1: of just where we find ourselves societally, like there's nothing
Speaker 1: more appealing than get rich quick strategy, Like there isn't
Speaker 1: and this it's today's like the wikis path, or seemingly
Speaker 1: the path of least resistance to wealth and and you
Speaker 1: get a lot of people who aren't as you know,
Speaker 1: aware of like what a good financial investment is, and
Speaker 1: then it can turn into bad stuff. But just like
Speaker 1: Spice on the Dune planet, there we go brought it
Speaker 1: bod investment turned into bad stuff. Well, Katie as always
Speaker 1: such a pleasure having you here to interpret the book
Speaker 1: Dune for us. Where can people find you and follow? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course I host another I Heart Radio podcast called
Speaker 1: Creature Feature where we talk about animals and all the
Speaker 1: weird things that creepy things and cool things that they do. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you can find me on Twitter at Katie Golden
Speaker 1: k A T I E G O L D I N. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, I'm around. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a
Speaker 1: tweet or some of the work of social media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Yes, In fact, I mean this is somewhat
Speaker 1: of a visual thing, so I highly encourage people look
Speaker 1: it up. But this is from at riot Girl Aaron
Speaker 1: on Twitter who did an amazing thread as kirston cinema
Speaker 1: as porta potties, And what this threat is is Kirsten
Speaker 1: Cinema juxtaposed with a porta potty and the porta potty
Speaker 1: is exactly color matched to Kirston Cinema's stupid outfits. And
Speaker 1: it is a whole thread of like twenty different porta potties,
Speaker 1: all exactly precisely matching Kirsten Cinema's stupid outfits. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's like a work of art. The amount of effort
Speaker 1: that went into finding the perfect porta potty to match
Speaker 1: Kirsten's cinema style. It's it's breathtaking. It's amazing. Oh man.
Speaker 1: Oh so it's like almost like that ball House account
Speaker 1: where it's like taking snapshots of like and like finding
Speaker 1: it's like all and like fine classic art. Yeah. I love.
Speaker 1: I love like when people have that talent to just
Speaker 1: sort of be like no, and this dumpster or this
Speaker 1: toilet is this senator. It's so creative and it's not
Speaker 1: it's also like not just the color of the porta potties,
Speaker 1: it's also the style. Somehow, it's an ineffable quality that
Speaker 1: this Twitter captures about this porta potty that just kind
Speaker 1: of captures the essence of Christen Cinnement. It's amazing, beautiful,
Speaker 1: it is, you know, our greatest work of our our
Speaker 1: greatest contribution to the art world. I think as a
Speaker 1: as a culture in this moment, miles Where can people
Speaker 1: find you? And what is a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also, if you like reality TV, checkout for
Speaker 1: Fiance with Me and Sophia Alexandra talking ninety day fiance Married,
Speaker 1: a first Sight all of that. Some tweets that I like.
Speaker 1: First one is from Paula Vigan Alan you know fairly
Speaker 1: cular guests on the show, tweeted, I don't care what
Speaker 1: you say. Pets can tell the disrespect when you pet
Speaker 1: them with your feet, and I was like, yo, my
Speaker 1: dog will bite my Oh yeah no, my dog would
Speaker 1: bite my toes off as well. You can't do that,
Speaker 1: isn't it what Katie helped me out here? I mean,
Speaker 1: I almost really is. Do you think they sense the
Speaker 1: disrespect or it feels like to them an active aggression
Speaker 1: because like feed her for walking and yeah, for my dog,
Speaker 1: I think it's she sees it as an attack because
Speaker 1: like she's small, she's a little little one, uh, and
Speaker 1: so she's occasionally tripped over or you know, like you
Speaker 1: get a you get a pinky toe on her paw
Speaker 1: and then she freaks out. So her feet are sort
Speaker 1: of like a nemesis, and so to touch her with
Speaker 1: the foot is an attack. I try even with my
Speaker 1: dog so nice. I try and do the most gentle
Speaker 1: finesse with my foot because it's something I'm very actively
Speaker 1: experimenting with to see if there is a version when
Speaker 1: the dog will except never never confined, write one um
Speaker 1: and the Another tree to like is from at Merman five.
Speaker 1: And this is parenthetical, making up ghost story as I
Speaker 1: go along. But this was no ordinary Honda Chord ship.
Speaker 1: That's great, great stuff. Some tweets I've been enjoying handsome,
Speaker 1: beat charming tweeted quitting smoking is so easy for me
Speaker 1: that I keep starting again because I know how easy
Speaker 1: it is for me to quit, and it's no problem.
Speaker 1: That's an underrated part of the difficulty of quitting smoking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Page six tweeted a picture of the machine guns machine
Speaker 1: Gun Kelly and Megan fox Ster and Mrs machine Gun
Speaker 1: and she's wearing a black dress that has sex written
Speaker 1: across the chess part and page six said Megan fox
Speaker 1: makes a statement in sex shirt. Reread delicious to retweeted
Speaker 1: and said whoa, I wonder what it means. And then
Speaker 1: Eliana dr PhD tweeted neutral milk hotel is Bob Dylan
Speaker 1: for people whose Vietnam War is not having a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I do. I love them both though. Wow. You can
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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our foot no where
Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles, what song are you recommending
Speaker 1: they go check out? Um? I recommend they check out
Speaker 1: the artist Alphamist from east Ham, London. Great, just you
Speaker 1: know a producer, um guessing a musician, but like if
Speaker 1: you like the sounds of like j Dilla or let's
Speaker 1: see high Tech, you know who famously would produce like
Speaker 1: Tell Live and most Deft albums. You're gonna like this
Speaker 1: track and it's called organic Rust and it's not like
Speaker 1: really sample have it was like a lot of live instruments,
Speaker 1: but they're really the beat is really like syncopated and
Speaker 1: wonky uh and there's like a nice electric piano in it.
Speaker 1: So check this out. Organic rust alpha missed alpha with
Speaker 1: the f uh. So it's like a less or a
Speaker 1: more alpha version of the Alchemists. Is that what they're
Speaker 1: going for? Maybe? I don't know. We'll have to we
Speaker 1: have to ask. Alright, Well, The Daily Zey Gays a
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