Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: one of Dirt, as production of I Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: America's share consciousness. And it is Monday, just ybert one,
Speaker 1: which of course means it's National horse Day, National ice
Speaker 1: cream Day, and most importantly, my little sister Caitlin's birthday.
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday, Caitlin. My name is Jack O'Brien. Ahead one, two, three,
Speaker 1: into the four. A hot doggie dog is just bolognay
Speaker 1: at its core. If you're if you're in her, you
Speaker 1: don't have to heat it up, you just gotta dip
Speaker 1: it in catch up. That is courtesy of Chris mack Ling.
Speaker 1: You said crazy facts for your a k A. I
Speaker 1: just loved the like elementary school science teacher vibe of that.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't come from Jamie Loftus. I feel
Speaker 1: like it was maybe done in her honor. Yeah. Man, rely,
Speaker 1: she's got me thinking about hot dogs and reasonably considering
Speaker 1: calling them glizzies, which is still the worst word ever invented. Glizzies. Glyzzies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, that's it. So we were
Speaker 1: talking about how in elementary school, had a friend who
Speaker 1: would just house raw hot dogs for lunch. It was disturbing,
Speaker 1: but I I started doing it because I thought he
Speaker 1: was cool. He was a year older than me. But
Speaker 1: then I was like, do I have like as most
Speaker 1: of my body eat cole I at this point because
Speaker 1: I did that for such a long period of my life.
Speaker 1: But turns out, courtesy of Chris Mackling, you're all right
Speaker 1: to just have You don't have to cook some You
Speaker 1: can just eat a raw hot dog in the same
Speaker 1: way that I feel like you should never boil out dog.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should ever eat one raw, but
Speaker 1: you can, but it's gross. So you're not a boiled
Speaker 1: hot dogs? Hell no, why people introduced me to and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't understand why you're doing this
Speaker 1: because you could pan fry it right, like the way
Speaker 1: you slice them and then you press them through the pants.
Speaker 1: We like crisp on the outside. And listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: about boiling meats. Is where in the water that's weird
Speaker 1: that that is generously assuming hot dogs or meats. You know,
Speaker 1: they are more of a slurry in a in a
Speaker 1: very specific shape. But this hot dog conversation today, Yes,
Speaker 1: because I so. I associated pan fried hot dogs with
Speaker 1: home made hot dogs, and then boiled hot dogs with
Speaker 1: the street like New York street hot dogs, like where
Speaker 1: they're just out of like a vat of water where
Speaker 1: it's been like warmed for a couple of weeks and
Speaker 1: they're always We don't have these carts in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Chicago had big cities sometimes on hot dog carts, you know,
Speaker 1: chogle the hot dog. I grew up in the country
Speaker 1: and in the corn and the most like social hot
Speaker 1: dog eating I did was like when you just shove
Speaker 1: the hot dog on a stick and then stick it
Speaker 1: in a fire around the campfire. That's how we did
Speaker 1: hot dogs. That's the best way to eat hot dogs,
Speaker 1: like so good when they're like blistered and like kind
Speaker 1: of exploding, part of them starts like bubbling and like violent.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, it is. And you can do it
Speaker 1: at like five no skilled. If I just like jam go,
Speaker 1: I'm cooking the fire, you feel like primitive and alive
Speaker 1: class And you used the same stick for a marshmallow,
Speaker 1: of course you don't need a second stick. Used the
Speaker 1: opposite end really or the same end and get a
Speaker 1: little bit of a perfect all right, Well you've already
Speaker 1: heard from both of them, but I am thrilled to
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Speaker 1: to the relatable, the fantastic, and at times tastefully in
Speaker 1: a appropriate work. Please welcome Kim Window. Hello. That was
Speaker 1: a very nice intro. Thank you, thanks for being here. Kim.
Speaker 1: Did I pronounce your last name right this time? And
Speaker 1: it's like a I always get it exactly wrong, like
Speaker 1: and you tell me and then I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna remember that, and then I remember the opposite. Is
Speaker 1: it winder or winder? It's winder? You got it right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like in my mind it's always been winder, like there's
Speaker 1: no other way to pronounce it, but literally everyone in
Speaker 1: my life it's winder, and then I I just I
Speaker 1: have to correct it. Yeah, I am that person, So
Speaker 1: I apologize. Winder is a much nicer sounding name. So
Speaker 1: it's wine all the time. Well I do wine, but
Speaker 1: not like emotionally I drink it, right, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: thinking winder like sidewinder, like it was giving snake, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is which is kind of cool. Actually, I just
Speaker 1: want to put that out there. It's not not the
Speaker 1: worst thing. Yeah, I should get like the lower back
Speaker 1: tattoos will change it. Yeah, very clear. Yeah, Kim, how
Speaker 1: have you been? What's going on? I'm good. I'm doing
Speaker 1: the comics full time now. Finally, congratulation, Thank you, It's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's it's been like kind of drying because it's still knew,
Speaker 1: like a month in and so I wake up and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, I'm late to work, and like,
Speaker 1: oh no, oh I'm not. I'm not late. I will
Speaker 1: never be late for work again, exactly. That's wonderful. And
Speaker 1: the last time you were on, I believe your husband
Speaker 1: was ill, right, and he has recovered and is doing
Speaker 1: better and has a glorious mustache as far as I
Speaker 1: can go. Someone called him like the sexy ned Flanders
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and he God, damn it, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't not see it. He's diddling something. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that, all right. What that compliment assumes that
Speaker 1: Ned Flanders isn't sexy? I was gonna say too, he is.
Speaker 1: He's a hottie. Marge is clearly sexually attracted to Ned Flanders.
Speaker 1: I just need to stay away from T shirt cannons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should be fine. That's right, all right, Kim. We're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about another one of those would you date somebody
Speaker 1: who voted for the other party polls which were relevant.
Speaker 1: I guess in the eighties maybe like before before the
Speaker 1: Republican Party were Nazis. But how they keep them coming.
Speaker 1: The results keep being bad for the Republicans and they're mad.
Speaker 1: They're like I thought you guys were. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that. We're gonna talk about why you shouldn't
Speaker 1: eat any Kelloggs products, and why kellogg can go funk themselves?
Speaker 1: What the latest reason why Kelloggs can go funk themselves.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the return of the erotic thriller.
Speaker 1: Erotic thriller movies are making a comeback, and our writer
Speaker 1: j M had some thoughts on like why that might be.
Speaker 1: I have some thoughts on why that might be. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. I'm sure you guys do too.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about TikTok's couch Guy. He wrote on
Speaker 1: hop Ed about what it's like being sleuthed on the Internet,
Speaker 1: and it's actually very very thoughtful and well written, and
Speaker 1: even though he's a college student, it's not written in
Speaker 1: like the five paragraph thesis at the end of the
Speaker 1: intro paragraph format. Definition definition of sleuthing, according to maryon
Speaker 1: woodster to all that anymore. The first can we do
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 1: search estory? Monte Cristal balls. So Disneyland a few years
Speaker 1: ago had these like little snack sized Monte Crystal balls,
Speaker 1: So essentially ham cheese, breaded, fried, and then you would
Speaker 1: dip it in like the sandwich, but molded into a ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were tiny. It was beautiful. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: was your take exactly. Monte crystals are just so heavy.
Speaker 1: I can't eat the sandwich, but in the ball size
Speaker 1: they're perfect. But they did it for one year. I
Speaker 1: haven't done it again. So I'm taking it upon myself
Speaker 1: to find a recipe and make it just for the
Speaker 1: hell of it. So I don't I don't usually fry
Speaker 1: a lot of foods deep fry, so I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of figuring out, like, Okay, should I have bread? Should
Speaker 1: it be like rolled in bread crumbs? Like just how
Speaker 1: to go about it. I have none of the Disney
Speaker 1: moms posted a recipe, yet there's so many of them
Speaker 1: doing like they make the like Disney Mickey Mouse ice
Speaker 1: cream bars at home. Now, I'm like, y'all are real inventive.
Speaker 1: They are crazy, Like I actually try to stay away
Speaker 1: from the Disney mommy blogs just because as crazy, inventive
Speaker 1: and cool it is, it's also so toxic. Just it's
Speaker 1: very sorry. Yeah, what's toxic that they just get all
Speaker 1: high SCHOOLI clubby, like, oh you you allow your kids
Speaker 1: to do this in the park and I would never
Speaker 1: go to it just I've done that. It's also a
Speaker 1: level of obsessiveness that is sometimes scary, Like did you
Speaker 1: see the lady who every detail of her house is
Speaker 1: a Disney replication? Yeah, like the bathroom, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: And she's like, and these are the suns for um
Speaker 1: Tangled and you can see I painted them here along
Speaker 1: the wall. I'm like, ma'am, there's literally nothing in here
Speaker 1: is not a Disney reference. And that's really concerning to me,
Speaker 1: because you should have other things. They a comic book
Speaker 1: stand as a fan, but like, diversify the portfolio just
Speaker 1: a little bit, get like two other fandoms in there.
Speaker 1: Maybe with the obsessed weakness. I love Disney, I don't
Speaker 1: have any decor in my house just because like it
Speaker 1: gives up murder vibes. Yes, with something that oh lord, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it, but I have to walk Away. Here's
Speaker 1: my test. Do they reject the genius of the minions
Speaker 1: like because they're not Disney? Like, do are they Will
Speaker 1: they like not let a Minion in their house because
Speaker 1: or like have Minion art in their house because it's
Speaker 1: not definitely not mixing and matching that on the extreme level. No,
Speaker 1: there's again literally nothing but Disney. I would say it's
Speaker 1: probably like you know, peer one Disney merchandise and then
Speaker 1: I don't know, like World Market for the rest, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's the breakdown, and then only go to like
Speaker 1: World Market to get something a Latin themed like that's right. No,
Speaker 1: Like like I'm I'm all for a like commitment to
Speaker 1: an aesthetic and like being into like you know, childhood
Speaker 1: whimsy and like art that you really liked as a kid.
Speaker 1: But like to be like not fuck anything that wasn't
Speaker 1: made by this one particular company because they happened to
Speaker 1: acquire it instead of like some other company is just
Speaker 1: seems I don't know. It's like the people who felt
Speaker 1: Betrade they couldn't go to Disney, like at the start
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, and it's like, Okay, you have to
Speaker 1: calm down, you have to take a deep breath, because
Speaker 1: literally death and children shouldn't be a common the nation
Speaker 1: we're like aspiring to. That's really terrifying. I do you have.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who, like, she didn't have stable
Speaker 1: housing as a kid, but her parents are always able
Speaker 1: to scrap enough money to go to Disneyland, and so
Speaker 1: now Disney Lands the most consistent memory from her like
Speaker 1: childhood to adult years, and she loves it. But there's
Speaker 1: still boundaries and other fandom. So I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: the layer of obsessiveness that we really have to divorce
Speaker 1: ourselves from. It's it's too much ladies and gentlemen who
Speaker 1: are into it. Dad who costumes all the dresses, right, daddy, daddy, designer, designer, daddy,
Speaker 1: something like that he has, Yeah, you know life that
Speaker 1: looks like a Disney princess. Yes, like listen, mascot skill
Speaker 1: do for real? What do you mean the changing dress
Speaker 1: for Bell? I was like, oh, like she the daughter
Speaker 1: just spins and it's her like regular like peasant dress
Speaker 1: to the ball gown and unfolds into the ball gown.
Speaker 1: The skills are off of the charts. But again I worry, Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that person actually sounds more talented than Walt Disney, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Kim employers. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of the sub breddit anti work, and
Speaker 1: I just love seeing like the attraction and movement with
Speaker 1: especially millennials realizing, oh, they really don't give a shit
Speaker 1: about us, Like and that's not carte blanche every single
Speaker 1: boss in the world, but just the thought of we're
Speaker 1: a family in the office, but fuck you, your kids sick,
Speaker 1: I need you to come in. I just think the
Speaker 1: whole concept of the employer, coworker or employee is overrated.
Speaker 1: It needs to change. It all needs to be tossed out,
Speaker 1: and we need to fix it because it's I find
Speaker 1: getting work the idea of what you've done so uh
Speaker 1: inspiring slash terrifying. As somebody who's formerly like worked freelance.
Speaker 1: I the freedom was great, really really enjoyed being like,
Speaker 1: amla a couple of my own schedule and I'll go
Speaker 1: down on my own schedule and I'll be able to
Speaker 1: like focus, you know, in the early hours. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: But then I was like, I have to actually run
Speaker 1: the business side of things too. Whoa And at the
Speaker 1: time I had undiagnosed a d D and it was
Speaker 1: like it was a stro it was struggle city out there.
Speaker 1: But I do think that it's kind of cool. The
Speaker 1: way the landscape of what a job looks like and
Speaker 1: how people are interacting with it is really fascinating. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love like people doing a side hustle
Speaker 1: in a in a healthy way and then being able
Speaker 1: to branch off kind of like what I did. And
Speaker 1: it's I've always wanted to be an animator since I
Speaker 1: was a kid. Just amazing cool stuff. And now I'm
Speaker 1: sucked made an animation this week and how yeah paying
Speaker 1: for it? It's great, literally the dream. That's so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm very happy. Congratulations. That's very cool. I do feel
Speaker 1: like that is a trend that we're seeing with a
Speaker 1: lot of our guests as they're coming in and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I managed to like put put aside enough money to
Speaker 1: like try and you know, go it, go it without
Speaker 1: a full time employer, and my life has improved. Like
Speaker 1: and it's fears happening on a much larger scale too,
Speaker 1: because the unemployment rate throught the lowest they've been since
Speaker 1: what like sixty five or something crazy like that, and
Speaker 1: then on top of that there's a quote unquote worker shortage.
Speaker 1: It's clear a lot of people are like, I could
Speaker 1: just do this from home or on my own or
Speaker 1: working tandem with my partner and or partners to like,
Speaker 1: you know, get enough income to cover all of us.
Speaker 1: And I man, I really feel like the pandemic made
Speaker 1: us more community oriented as the people who are like,
Speaker 1: what if we just took care of each other and
Speaker 1: figured that out first? And I think that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Any place that says they have a worker shortage, I
Speaker 1: believe it's terrible management and a toxic environment. So I've
Speaker 1: just adapted not to go to those places. Any place
Speaker 1: that has a sign says we're incredibly short staffed, they
Speaker 1: don't even have to be pissy about it. I just
Speaker 1: know people don't want to work there because of the
Speaker 1: people that are running the business. I do love the
Speaker 1: pizzy signs though, like we don't want any cry babies,
Speaker 1: has no personal issues, would never take a phone call,
Speaker 1: even an emergency. A thousand percent dedicated to this minimum
Speaker 1: wage job, like you gotta hill, you gotta if you're
Speaker 1: paying them a wage, Like you know what you're getting
Speaker 1: if you know what's happening here, these people are just
Speaker 1: came here for this little bit of money and to
Speaker 1: survive to the next day. Leave them alone. Serious, And
Speaker 1: I also feel like it is it's being under rated
Speaker 1: as people think about like what's happening with worker shortages
Speaker 1: that people are like now capitalism and like market forces
Speaker 1: have invaded every single aspect of our life. I think
Speaker 1: this is the third time I've talked about this in
Speaker 1: like four episodes, but it just like you here so
Speaker 1: many complaints of people like what what social media, what
Speaker 1: our phones like due to us, And I do think
Speaker 1: like that is all connected, like the fact that we
Speaker 1: are constantly in a market based like what where are
Speaker 1: our attention has been monetized and turned into like a
Speaker 1: capitalists like property, and then we like our interactions with
Speaker 1: our loved ones have been like are are being mediated
Speaker 1: by like these multibillion dollar corporations and manipulated like intentionally
Speaker 1: by these multibillion dollar corporations. Like I think that is
Speaker 1: like when you don't have the humane in and like
Speaker 1: actually human context of life that we have for so long,
Speaker 1: it becomes unbearable to like put up with a lot
Speaker 1: of this ship that people were putting up with for
Speaker 1: a long time in America. Yeah, it reminds me of
Speaker 1: like early on in the pandemic when you saw all
Speaker 1: these commercials from big companies saying we care, We're in
Speaker 1: it together from now more than ever. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated? You can tell something's been
Speaker 1: on my mind. But telling off an asshole, like I
Speaker 1: think everyone deserves a moment in their life in person
Speaker 1: to say to someone's face, you're a jerk. You're deserve
Speaker 1: what's on your plate, and I'm sick of it. And
Speaker 1: that's how I got fired. That's the story of how
Speaker 1: I got any wondering how I got here, record scre record,
Speaker 1: But yeah, my my ex boss, he was a total
Speaker 1: jerk for years and it got worse and just being
Speaker 1: yelled at. I told him, you can't treat me like
Speaker 1: an idiot, and this is why you can't hire anyone,
Speaker 1: and this is why no one will come back to work.
Speaker 1: And he said he professionally cannot move on from that conversation.
Speaker 1: So I like, do we have the same boss? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, listen, Before I found Jack over here, it
Speaker 1: was the worse. I can't work with men in their
Speaker 1: forties who haven't achieved what they hoped to achieve Oh
Speaker 1: my god, maybe we did write it was It's it's
Speaker 1: so hard, especially when day after day you're like giving
Speaker 1: everything you can to like try to make it work,
Speaker 1: and the constant it responses your idea sucking. Like I'm
Speaker 1: doing a lot of work outside of this space where
Speaker 1: all of this is quote unquote good enough. They have
Speaker 1: to come back and face this person daily who then
Speaker 1: feels the need to not only dislike your work with them,
Speaker 1: belittle you for it exactly. Yeah, it's very satisfying to
Speaker 1: be like, never again, bro, never, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: all of the things you want. I didn't mind a
Speaker 1: text message. I'm not as brave as you yet. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to say things and I'm a very
Speaker 1: quiet person like around people. So when this happened, I
Speaker 1: literally texted him my husband. I'm like, I think I
Speaker 1: might get fired. I just stood up to him, and
Speaker 1: it's it's just so relieving. But like I stayed there
Speaker 1: because Jack, when you mentioned my husband was sick, we
Speaker 1: relied on my health insurance. Like, my my husband almost
Speaker 1: died of COVID eight months ago. So if I stayed
Speaker 1: and dealt with that bullshit, because literally our lives were
Speaker 1: on the line, and fortunately we've worked out health insurance
Speaker 1: with me doing the comic. But it's just insane what
Speaker 1: people have to go through and having that moment of
Speaker 1: like fuck you, fuck the man, I'm out peace. It's great.
Speaker 1: So everyone deserves it at one point in their lives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've we've mentioned before that the theory that that isn't
Speaker 1: a theory. It's the fact that the reason that the
Speaker 1: Democrats would never give Americans universal health care is because
Speaker 1: they rely on that to keep people in jobs they
Speaker 1: don't like. Like that's the economy relies on the threat
Speaker 1: of starvation or you know, not being able to you know,
Speaker 1: getting put into bankruptcy because of an illness like that.
Speaker 1: That's part of the system, and that's like part of
Speaker 1: the the way that America like extracts in humane amounts
Speaker 1: of work from from people who just want to live.
Speaker 1: I would totally buy into that conspiracy, like it just
Speaker 1: it makes total sense, keeping people under under their foot basically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a brutal reality we're living through, right, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about why nobody wants to fund Republicans and we're back.
Speaker 1: And so ever, since Trump's election, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of pulling around quantifying the percentage of people who would
Speaker 1: or would not have sex with a Republican. It's always
Speaker 1: sort of the same thing. People that are on the
Speaker 1: left are not as likely to want to be with
Speaker 1: someone that has a antithetical worldview, while conservatives are willing
Speaker 1: to like bang anyone. I guess is like the general
Speaker 1: thesis here is like yeah, sure, fucket like, which I
Speaker 1: don't know that the Republicans seem to think that this
Speaker 1: makes them more accepting and like open minded, which kind
Speaker 1: of misunderstands the whole situation. I have so many questions,
Speaker 1: starting with what conversation leads to these studies. No, Brocky
Speaker 1: totally banging democrats like you couldn't. They just wouldn't have
Speaker 1: sex to you, okay, but I would, okay, but your
Speaker 1: choice too doesn't negate their willingness to you know, it
Speaker 1: seems a foolish question. I don't don't because I don't
Speaker 1: understand the bottom line results of this and what we're
Speaker 1: supposed to do with this information. And also anyone with
Speaker 1: a brain could have told you that, because most I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel confident in saying most Democratic equipmen
Speaker 1: would not sleep with the Republican man because they don't
Speaker 1: want to die. Right, This is pretty much to be
Speaker 1: getting little end of it, Like I just don't want
Speaker 1: to die. I wouldn't be welcomed here. You would want
Speaker 1: to get into some weird race, this kink that I
Speaker 1: don't want to engage in. Like it's one of those
Speaker 1: like situations as weird to me that the Republicans don't
Speaker 1: recognize that yet they don't think they're racists, So maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know much about anything. I think it's honestly
Speaker 1: for Democratic women, like if I was to fuck a Republican,
Speaker 1: I have to actively recognize that, Oh he thinks lesser
Speaker 1: of me, and it's not your self hate to Republican. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but in doing that, you're being closed minded to his
Speaker 1: point of view. My willingness to have sex with you
Speaker 1: isn't the same as my willingness to engage in conversation
Speaker 1: with you. It's mad to be like, you won't let
Speaker 1: me be intimate with you. It's like you're terrifying. You
Speaker 1: would force me to carry that baby to full term,
Speaker 1: You jerk, get out of here. I have dildos more
Speaker 1: politically correct than most Republicans. So the latest poll was
Speaker 1: released over in Axios. It pulled college students nationwide in
Speaker 1: November of this year. And this is all being framed
Speaker 1: as I thought the left was tolerant, which ignores that
Speaker 1: tolerance means that you express your openness through not discriminating,
Speaker 1: which is discrimination is the very basis of the entire
Speaker 1: modern and historic Republican point of view, since you know,
Speaker 1: for most of the twentieth century. But yeah, so women
Speaker 1: are more likely than men to take a strong partisan
Speaker 1: stance in their personal choices. I wonder if it has
Speaker 1: anything to do with what you guys are just mentioning about,
Speaker 1: you know, differences of opinion around you know, your right
Speaker 1: to have a say of what you do with your
Speaker 1: own body. They found forty one percent of women would
Speaker 1: go on a date with someone who voted for the
Speaker 1: opposing candidate compared to sixty seven percent of men of women,
Speaker 1: and would work for someone who voted for the other
Speaker 1: candidate of men, and just sixty of women compared to
Speaker 1: of men would shop at or support the business of
Speaker 1: someone of the other party. I feel like that's convoluted
Speaker 1: because you don't know everyone you're buying to stop it
Speaker 1: husually think you if their opinions were publicly displayed and
Speaker 1: we're I don't know, actively harming our community and you
Speaker 1: were very aware of it. Yes, of course you would
Speaker 1: not shop there, but otherwise you're you're just trying to
Speaker 1: get whatever it is you're trying to get and get
Speaker 1: on with your day. But I also feel this is
Speaker 1: from the perspective of the way Republicans are sort of
Speaker 1: projecting themselves into media right now. There's this idea of
Speaker 1: like we're being left out. We can't be in the mainstream.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you can be. I'm against government
Speaker 1: and frankly individual liberties, and I want everyone to carry
Speaker 1: a gun. I don't care whether you feel safe, but
Speaker 1: also please include me and all of your activities. Why
Speaker 1: am I not invited to the picnic? Why are you
Speaker 1: afraid of me? It's such as you boiled the hot dogs,
Speaker 1: damage the hot dogs, biled the hot dogs, and it's
Speaker 1: nasty and foul. You did not use the correct seasoning.
Speaker 1: All of your best recipes come from the black people
Speaker 1: you used to own. Like it's weird. Get out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I truly do not understand how you can
Speaker 1: want to be so antisocial but also be involved in
Speaker 1: the culture at the same time, Like lions have to
Speaker 1: be drowned somewhere. It's almost like they're wildly entitled and
Speaker 1: have no sense of the fucking damage and harm that
Speaker 1: they're horrifying beliefs. Cause I just read an article that
Speaker 1: was all about what it was like inside Germany after
Speaker 1: they lost World War Two and just like the you know,
Speaker 1: coming to terms with themselves as as Nazis, and it
Speaker 1: was very slow process that involved a lot of cognitive
Speaker 1: dissonance and people just not being willing to recognize what
Speaker 1: they did, kind of the same way we did with slavery.
Speaker 1: I really feel like it's exactly the same. Sure, there
Speaker 1: was like but if you think about everything happens before
Speaker 1: the launch of Jim Crow, it's like, oh, black people
Speaker 1: are free. That's sort of terrifying. Um, keep them in
Speaker 1: their own communities, just we'll just like gently exclude them
Speaker 1: from everything, and uh, you know what, you can pay
Speaker 1: them two dollars, it's fine, Like really really lower that
Speaker 1: minimum wage so that we can keep them at reasonable
Speaker 1: prices and we don't tank our economy and then it
Speaker 1: was like, oh they God, they're accumulating wealth, cannot have.
Speaker 1: We do not like them living better than us. Put
Speaker 1: on your hoods, burn their towns down, get rid of it.
Speaker 1: The law. People don't like that we are breaking the law.
Speaker 1: Got it, Jim Crow laws. Now that is legal and
Speaker 1: it's fine. The racism is over. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: It's such a weird I guess as we as people
Speaker 1: and I just human beings in general just are not
Speaker 1: comfortable accepting our roles in awful things. And our our
Speaker 1: best defense to quote uncore protect ourselves is just distance
Speaker 1: yourself as much as possible, as quickly as possible from
Speaker 1: what you've done, but also don't change anything because we
Speaker 1: sort of like how things are. There was a Twitter thread,
Speaker 1: i'm wanna say yesterday or maybe a few days ago,
Speaker 1: where a black family was selling their home in San
Speaker 1: Francisco and they got appraised and it came in super low,
Speaker 1: but they had an odd feeling about it, so they
Speaker 1: had their white friend step in and redecorate a little
Speaker 1: bit by changing photos, had it reappraised again, went up
Speaker 1: like doubled essentially. Yeah, and a lot of black people
Speaker 1: are doing this now. Just call a white friend. You
Speaker 1: should everyone should have one. You need one good white friend.
Speaker 1: They can come bail you out when things are sticky.
Speaker 1: I like to keep white ladies around, particularly once that
Speaker 1: can cry on cue. Um. So he was ready for me, honey, Like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. And she's a good person and we
Speaker 1: don't hurt her. So I feel safe in large spaces. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's chippy. There's a different article today about
Speaker 1: a woman who can pass because she doesn't try. She
Speaker 1: just can. People don't recognize that she's black, and she
Speaker 1: lives in an affluent white neighborhood. And she just wrote,
Speaker 1: like talked about all of the things people have said
Speaker 1: to her because they don't know she's black. And like,
Speaker 1: my favorite one is like why do you have a
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter sign? Like that you're just out here
Speaker 1: killing themselves. Man, ma'am exhausting. Jesus Christ exhausting. What a
Speaker 1: great time to be alive, truly, truly. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: America has been bad, a bad place to be alive
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. It's just like I think
Speaker 1: we're now coming to terms with it. I just think
Speaker 1: every generation has to continually come to terms with it. Though, right,
Speaker 1: especially because we do a lot to shield our children
Speaker 1: from terrible things for good reasons. You should be able
Speaker 1: to have a childithood and I have to deal with
Speaker 1: this stuff. But then suddenly it's like, okay, so we're
Speaker 1: just gonna talk about slavery. They did what my successors.
Speaker 1: I would be there, crap that sucks, okay, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you about how we tried to extinguish
Speaker 1: an entire race of people when we first got here.
Speaker 1: What that's awful. I thought we enjoyed Thanksgiving. That's not
Speaker 1: how that actually went out. We had to like problestantly
Speaker 1: go through this process of unlearning things that we've learned.
Speaker 1: And I think, m it's valid because it's something way
Speaker 1: it could stay fresh. And I'm uncomfortable. Like Barry Jenkins
Speaker 1: just did this great series on Amazon called Underground, and
Speaker 1: he spoke a lot about how he's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to dwell in it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I can't ignore sleep. I can't not looking in the
Speaker 1: face and address it directly. You like my ancestors survived that,
Speaker 1: I have to go look at it and stay in
Speaker 1: these places and try to feel and come to terms
Speaker 1: with what happened. I think it sucks, a really sucks,
Speaker 1: but I also think it's vital. Yeah, Like so this
Speaker 1: article Germany went from they're kind of national, like the
Speaker 1: zeitgeist opinion was that like their loss in World War
Speaker 1: Two and all the you know, revelations around the Holocaust
Speaker 1: were a part of a Jewish conspiracy. They called it.
Speaker 1: American financial interests had like put together this conspiracy. But
Speaker 1: as we talked about on an episode last week, like
Speaker 1: Germany has become you know, not they're not perfect, but
Speaker 1: they are a model of like a nation that has
Speaker 1: actually accounted for, like come to terms with at least
Speaker 1: and is trying to pay reparations and like do actual
Speaker 1: things to to deal with their past. So there there
Speaker 1: is a a path to it. It's just a long
Speaker 1: and painful and fucking brutal one, but like that, the
Speaker 1: work needs to be done. My roommate, well, she actually
Speaker 1: just moved back to Many. Her grandfather was literally a Nazi,
Speaker 1: And the way she talked to me about it, they say,
Speaker 1: we not you never talked about the individual families because
Speaker 1: there is that great shame about just the involvement. So
Speaker 1: it is talked and still uncomfortable, but it's like we
Speaker 1: all fucked up and we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And it was more of a community change, and you
Speaker 1: just don't talk about the individuals because it's just she
Speaker 1: said it like it ate her up inside, like how
Speaker 1: could my grandfather be such such a terrible human? You know? Um,
Speaker 1: I wonder if America could ever get to that. I
Speaker 1: feel like, no know what I want to believe, But
Speaker 1: I also feel like we're again just as a country,
Speaker 1: just like especially for last year, was any indication, you know,
Speaker 1: there was that giant swell of like, we are not
Speaker 1: gonna let this happen anymore, and we're gonna higher so
Speaker 1: many black people and we're going to like put some
Speaker 1: respect on indigenous people's names and it's going to be
Speaker 1: changed forever. And then this year you see a ton
Speaker 1: of black freelancers talking about how projects that got picked
Speaker 1: up suddenly dropped, agents just not calling back, like it
Speaker 1: was just a complete abandonment within a year. And I
Speaker 1: think that's sort of our future trajectory. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of like these small swells of like, oh, we don't
Speaker 1: want to be that, but we're legitimately never going to
Speaker 1: change anything. But please don't think of us that way.
Speaker 1: It's just I think we prefer that contradictory state of existence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, something will have to change because to this
Speaker 1: point it's been just a steady rhythm of people coming
Speaker 1: up against the reality of America's history and the reality
Speaker 1: of America's present, and then there is a white backlash,
Speaker 1: and you know that we're seeing that. We saw that
Speaker 1: in January six, we'll see that probably in election, which
Speaker 1: certainly I'm like as pessimistic about is I think I've
Speaker 1: ever been, And yeah, I just don't. So something will
Speaker 1: need to change, alright, just real quick, Well we'll dig
Speaker 1: in a little bit more on the Kellogg's and the details.
Speaker 1: Just don't eat any fucking Kellogg's. Don't buy anything from Kellogg's. There.
Speaker 1: The fucking worst, they work force their workers to endorse
Speaker 1: seventy two to eighty four hour work weeks and over
Speaker 1: time was mandated, and employees struggled to even get time
Speaker 1: off for funerals, some of them working up to a
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty days without a day off. Their CEO
Speaker 1: makes twelve million dollars million, fired literally everybody who was striking,
Speaker 1: which is not only illegal but just morally reprehensible. We've
Speaker 1: already gone through this with factories before. It's completely unnecessary.
Speaker 1: You guys can afford to pay workers, and I think
Speaker 1: that's really the thing we want to drive home today.
Speaker 1: They can afford it. This is not going to bankrupt Kellogg's.
Speaker 1: They will be okay. The price of your cereal doesn't
Speaker 1: even need to change that much. You can still avoid
Speaker 1: these not too expensive but sort of overpriced. If you've
Speaker 1: ever looked at a brand name like these tastes the same.
Speaker 1: It's been evil since day one, like well, like corn
Speaker 1: flakes were supposed to cure the masturbation urges of people,
Speaker 1: like the so bland you won't want to have sex?
Speaker 1: Where is the logs evil day one? This is even
Speaker 1: worth just one person's just diseased brain that just fucking
Speaker 1: exploded all over like our entire grocery store shelves, And
Speaker 1: just like the entire history of the twentieth century, these
Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel fox they gave their workers cookies
Speaker 1: during a pandemic. They're like the job, guys, have a
Speaker 1: cookie that you probably made. They're probably spread cookies. No man,
Speaker 1: But to your point, Joel, they made four billion dollars
Speaker 1: in profits years profit, not like they made four millions
Speaker 1: billion dollars in revenue and like a struggling to say,
Speaker 1: but they made four billion dollars in profits. This goes
Speaker 1: back to you know that everybody's talking about inflation and
Speaker 1: how like inflations out of control, and they're blaming these
Speaker 1: like economic indicators as though like paying people or like
Speaker 1: people getting money from the government. They're like, well, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. As if first of all, as if
Speaker 1: economics is not a complete bullshit social science, but also
Speaker 1: as if like the economy is like some physics based
Speaker 1: formula that can't be affected. And the truth is, these
Speaker 1: corporations are making larger profits than they've ever made. You
Speaker 1: are seeing that in the way that the stock market
Speaker 1: is reacting. The stock market is doing great because they
Speaker 1: have just changed what people are like willing to accept
Speaker 1: their like realizing our ship, we can like raise the
Speaker 1: prices and that's gonna be really really good for our
Speaker 1: profits and therefore our stock prices. And then they get
Speaker 1: this ship covered in the mainstream media as if it's
Speaker 1: the fucking striking worker's fault, and like that is the
Speaker 1: narrative that you hear that it's like the fault of
Speaker 1: the labor class for prices going up, and it's like,
Speaker 1: how how the fuck are are we like regurgitating this bullshirt? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so circling back to hot dogs, Okay, the whole point
Speaker 1: of the book the Jungle. I think exposure day on
Speaker 1: workers just like losing lens to meet grinders at this
Speaker 1: smeat factory and there was outwroar, not because the workers
Speaker 1: were being maimed, it was because I got a finger
Speaker 1: in my fucking hot dog. Like that. Until the public
Speaker 1: as a whole, as us as a community, really it
Speaker 1: piste off, it's just going to keep going. And I
Speaker 1: think it's happening slowly, mostly because you're seeing it across
Speaker 1: multiple different types of what was working for different types
Speaker 1: of workers. Essentially you have farm workers, factory workers, you
Speaker 1: can look at the entertainment field, you can look at
Speaker 1: even sports, like those guys are constantly trying to make
Speaker 1: sure you see what the w n b A is
Speaker 1: trying to achieve when a lot of their contract negotiations
Speaker 1: and things like that. I think as the whole, we're
Speaker 1: sort of come to this conclusion, particularly coming off of
Speaker 1: essentially twenty years of corporations just being too big to fail,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, we have CEO screwing us over
Speaker 1: and then getting the lightest of sentences and parachute salaries
Speaker 1: to see them out the door. I think people are
Speaker 1: getting there, but they're in America. We're not taught. Are
Speaker 1: what powers we have? Early enough? Right, it's not And
Speaker 1: by the time you need to use those powers almost
Speaker 1: seems like a fever dream. You're like, how would that
Speaker 1: even work? It's so foreign to me. I've never witnessed
Speaker 1: anyone doing it. I don't have a history of my
Speaker 1: family trying to achieve these things. I think where we've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of work organization are things that don't
Speaker 1: exist anymore. We think a lot about like rail workers
Speaker 1: and coal workers and pipe fitters and all those guys
Speaker 1: are sort of locked in and good to go. And still,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing in family, it's a smaller subsect. So
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see it happen, especially the more
Speaker 1: people like Kellogg's decided to do things like hire an
Speaker 1: entire new tier people with out the ability to ever
Speaker 1: advance in the company. They're essentially hiring people now on me,
Speaker 1: like you'll be a factory worker for life, never expect
Speaker 1: to see management, never a raise for what coming here
Speaker 1: work until you drop in and leave. We see it
Speaker 1: in the um. What's going on with like chicken farms
Speaker 1: and stuff. The way those guys are treated and literally
Speaker 1: peeing in bottles next to the food they're slaughtering. It's dangerous.
Speaker 1: COVID is rampant. Fair. I really do feel like we're
Speaker 1: on a wave of worker action right now, and they are,
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, they're the reason that that
Speaker 1: is going to happen because prices, every every economic indicator
Speaker 1: has gone up except for wages, Like wages have stayed
Speaker 1: stagnant for fucking like twenty five years now, Like minimum
Speaker 1: wage has stayed stagnant for like decades, and they're just basically,
Speaker 1: you know, riding it until the wheels fall off. They're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we're gonna see how far we can
Speaker 1: push this thing. And as the two thousand eight economic
Speaker 1: crisis showed us, we're not the ones who are going
Speaker 1: to get left holding the bag. So we'll just keep
Speaker 1: on abusing the system until it spits out its last fucking,
Speaker 1: you know, chunk of change for us, and then we'll
Speaker 1: you know, go live on our island in the Pacific
Speaker 1: that we bought. You want to know, Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: my theory. They're just waiting for the robot labor force.
Speaker 1: There are for technolog leogy to catch up to it,
Speaker 1: and I really do think they're like to keep cost
Speaker 1: down as much as possible. We will buy an entire
Speaker 1: robot labor for us. It's a one time g with
Speaker 1: some technical updates here and there, and we'll be good
Speaker 1: for at least the next what twenty years? You could
Speaker 1: probably run on that tech depending on where you're at
Speaker 1: and and how tactile the robotic structure is, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever you needge to view, how fast isn't working, how
Speaker 1: quickly doesn't break down? Hopefully it's not a McDonald's Trevor
Speaker 1: was ice cream donald breaking down, which, honestly, I really
Speaker 1: feel like if we want to get tech people, listen
Speaker 1: up getting on on this theory right now. Just start
Speaker 1: making terrible machines for these companies so that they have
Speaker 1: no choice and and and make sure you write in
Speaker 1: your contract you can't use anyone else and we're the
Speaker 1: only ones who can fix it. And then higher a
Speaker 1: bunch of workers, you know, And that's how we're going
Speaker 1: that's how we beat the corporations. Yeah, that is literally
Speaker 1: what the what that company did? Who made there who
Speaker 1: made their ice cream machines. But unfortunately they like somebody
Speaker 1: else made a thing to fix it, and they suited
Speaker 1: that company. They're like no, no, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: can't here. Yeah. So I don't know. I think they
Speaker 1: were like making billions. As depressing as it all is,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't think I'm jaded enough yet, because I
Speaker 1: do think we're on the cusp of a revolution or
Speaker 1: change with workers, especially gen Z. They do not take
Speaker 1: ship from I love them to death. I was at
Speaker 1: Starbucks this morning and this this kid, he had to
Speaker 1: be like nineteen, just goes in with roller skates. He
Speaker 1: got his one earring in just no fox given love
Speaker 1: him and I just they. I think they're paying attention
Speaker 1: and listening and they're not going to let themselves be
Speaker 1: treated like trash anymore. Yeah. So I'm really hoping that
Speaker 1: before the robots come in, we get gen Z to
Speaker 1: either hack the system and overhaul it, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's take all of us. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to leave it to just the kids. We're all here,
Speaker 1: we're all doing it. That's true. Kids, you inspire me
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you for being your beautiful, unique sells
Speaker 1: and not taking ship. Thank you for reminding me that
Speaker 1: I don't need to take ship. But also super here
Speaker 1: with you. Just ready if it's a good site, because
Speaker 1: oh it's good, it's gonna be a doozy of an effort.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's also as the baby Boomers and
Speaker 1: silent generation, I guess and Joe Biden and Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: case like mercifully die off, like we hopefully like there
Speaker 1: will be a dual action of younger pro socialists generations
Speaker 1: taking over as like this just wildly out of touch
Speaker 1: and pathologically selfish generation disappears. That is believe so many
Speaker 1: another brand of the same use just being like, oh
Speaker 1: that seems like the life right there. I'm right emilate
Speaker 1: that to a t. We gotta switch those guys minds
Speaker 1: before they get too old and too empower Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about couch Guy. Hopefully get to uh talk about some
Speaker 1: erotic thrillers. And we're back and couch Guy, who we
Speaker 1: might all remember from the TikTok video where his girlfriend
Speaker 1: came to surprise him. His long distance girlfriend came to
Speaker 1: surprise him at college. The video showed her like showing
Speaker 1: up him being surprised, getting up from the couch and
Speaker 1: giving her a hug. And this kicked off a level
Speaker 1: of just analysis, frame by frame, just deep diving into
Speaker 1: you know, body language expert analysis, which is a made
Speaker 1: up thing that the mainstream media loves to pretend to exists.
Speaker 1: That people were highly suspects of this couch guy because
Speaker 1: he did not seem excited enough to see his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: his long distance girlfriend in the ten seconds. I think
Speaker 1: it was like one of the shortest. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: when I finally saw the video that everybody was talking about.
Speaker 1: It was insane, Like I wanted to talk a lot,
Speaker 1: and it was just like two weeks of couch guy content. Honestly,
Speaker 1: to me, he just he looked stoned the whole reason
Speaker 1: why he was slow to get up. But it just
Speaker 1: all the videos on TikTok like it was a vile hashtag.
Speaker 1: And she even made merch the girlfriend. It was crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: make that money while you can't. You know this is
Speaker 1: gonna last ten seconds. You said, let me get some
Speaker 1: coin real quick. That's a vacation. I love entrepreneurship. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much Britney Spears case has to do
Speaker 1: with this sort of surgeon. We've seen an internet sleuping
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you guys remember or for
Speaker 1: the steners who maybe don't know, like a fans like Britney,
Speaker 1: if you're not okay, wear a yellow T shirt And
Speaker 1: the next day she's wearing yellow T shirt on her
Speaker 1: Instagram and really like bold about it, like, yo, this
Speaker 1: is my yellow shirt, ha ha. And then it sort
Speaker 1: of evolves in like Britney's really in trouble, we have
Speaker 1: to help her. And Brittany was in trouble, she was
Speaker 1: not in a good way and she really didn't need help.
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting. I just wonder that. And
Speaker 1: Georgia and Karen for my favorite murder or the serial
Speaker 1: podcast has really brought this boom in true crime. There's
Speaker 1: even a game now that you can play, which I
Speaker 1: forget the name of it right now, but essentially it
Speaker 1: allows you to play being a detective. But all the
Speaker 1: money you put into this game goes into trying to
Speaker 1: solve cold cases. And there's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: feel empower it around this idea of like oh, as
Speaker 1: like again, as a community, we can connect do what
Speaker 1: the police, who a lot of us are against, can't
Speaker 1: do and solve these crimes. But I do think that
Speaker 1: people have to keep in mind that they're amateurs and
Speaker 1: them for there are other real people on the other
Speaker 1: sides of these questions, and you could do a ton
Speaker 1: of damage digging through someone's personal life, trying or blowing
Speaker 1: them up like they did couch Guy, or you know,
Speaker 1: like basically trying to stick. Eventually, the only goal is like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we'll send the police in because we don't have any
Speaker 1: power in this situation and you've never met these people
Speaker 1: and you're not an actual detective. If you don't really
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, it's very messy. Yeah, there are
Speaker 1: these examples that kind of pick up speed, like caused
Speaker 1: this trend to pick up speed, Like Gabby Petito was
Speaker 1: also one. I hadn't realized this, but our producer Becca
Speaker 1: New Producer shout Out New producer bec Arounds put this
Speaker 1: story and was pointing out that like that was an
Speaker 1: example where people were like, something's wrong here when she
Speaker 1: went missing and we're like analyzing the previous videos and
Speaker 1: something was wrong. But then there are examples like Sabrina Prator,
Speaker 1: who is a thirty four year old contractor and trans
Speaker 1: woman who went viral in November after posting a video
Speaker 1: over self dancing in a basement that was mid renovation
Speaker 1: and people jumped on it and we're like bad vibes.
Speaker 1: There were like these transphobic comparisons to Buffalo Bill from
Speaker 1: the Sounds of the Lambs, and people's started to speculate
Speaker 1: that she was a serial killer and just it got
Speaker 1: very like dark and was based on nothing. The couch
Speaker 1: guy thing. You know, this guy writes pretty well, either
Speaker 1: because he's telling the truth or he's a master manipulator.
Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, I think that's probably the answer,
Speaker 1: is that he was a great editor. But you know
Speaker 1: they where these things just get away, like they take
Speaker 1: on a life of their own. There were people like
Speaker 1: waiting outside of his room. There were people like sliding
Speaker 1: notes under his door. There were oh yeah, it was
Speaker 1: very scary, like yeah, like I understand the community wanting
Speaker 1: to help solve like Brittany being in trouble or a
Speaker 1: murdered instagramm er, but the dude, the speculation was literally
Speaker 1: he might be cheating on his girlfriend that it does
Speaker 1: not need that assistance, yeah, or comment that's not your business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take it to a group chat people talking out there,
Speaker 1: like yeah, giving the internet, it's it's a wild tool.
Speaker 1: We're still raining it in, We're still figuring out how
Speaker 1: to use it for its its best intentions. And this
Speaker 1: is this like goes back. This has long been one
Speaker 1: of humanity's like biggest kind of misconceptions and like blind
Speaker 1: spots when it comes to how we interact with crime.
Speaker 1: Is you know, the police will disregard someone's testimony, will
Speaker 1: be like, ah, she's making it up. If they're not
Speaker 1: like if they're not playing the role that they have
Speaker 1: seen in movies of the victim of this crime. Like
Speaker 1: I was just listening to the last podcast on the
Speaker 1: Left show was like doing the Lizzie Borden murder. Is
Speaker 1: that her name? Yeah, it was only nineteen wax first
Speaker 1: of all, but the police, because she was so distraught,
Speaker 1: shot her up with morphine and then gave her powdered
Speaker 1: caffeine before before questioning her about it. And then we're
Speaker 1: like she was so like flat, we like don't trust her,
Speaker 1: which she probably did. Do it, but like still it's
Speaker 1: like this this thing like it's happened with sexual assault victims.
Speaker 1: There was a serial rapist who was getting away with
Speaker 1: it for a long time because is a young woman
Speaker 1: who like reported it her Even her mom was like,
Speaker 1: I think she's making it up because she's not like
Speaker 1: crying enough. And then finally like the d n a
Speaker 1: proofd she wasn't making it up. But it's we we
Speaker 1: just really need to like take our personal like expectations
Speaker 1: out of it when it comes to like we are
Speaker 1: not good at judging, like the the whole thing of
Speaker 1: late instinct and like I have a like I have
Speaker 1: an internal lie detector. You do not, Like you do
Speaker 1: not have that. You know, the best police officers in
Speaker 1: the world do not have that. The thing about you know,
Speaker 1: you can tell by where they're looking in the room,
Speaker 1: like if they look up to the right, they're making
Speaker 1: it up. That is bullshit. Like every everything that we
Speaker 1: claim that has ever been claimed Sherlock Holmes was not
Speaker 1: a real guy or not in any of the senses
Speaker 1: that you want him to be a real guy. So
Speaker 1: you know, you trust your instincts, like to like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're in danger, and like always be safe. But
Speaker 1: when it comes to like I've caught this person or
Speaker 1: I think this person is lying, like you'r do not
Speaker 1: do not trust your instincts, You're you don't know ship
Speaker 1: I think, yes, yeah, alright, do you want to talk
Speaker 1: erotic thrillers? I do want to. We're at an hour though, okay,
Speaker 1: where I'm so torn do what do we want to
Speaker 1: get into it? What do you guys think? I think
Speaker 1: we have to Alright, well, we can keep it short.
Speaker 1: We can keep it short. Yeah, okay, so listen, Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck and ended to arms. They had a new movie
Speaker 1: called deep Water coming out. It was scheduled for release
Speaker 1: in January, which, if you know anything about movies, do
Speaker 1: you understand immediately means it might not be so great. Yes,
Speaker 1: this may not be a movie of quality. That's where
Speaker 1: we dump are bad movies January Separy, and we might
Speaker 1: sprinkle one in March if we have too many movies
Speaker 1: lated for the year. That's that's literally how Hollywood has
Speaker 1: worked since the dawn of the summer blockbuster. Okay. Randall's
Speaker 1: on the Internet are concerned that j Lo has used
Speaker 1: her her incredible powers and connections throughout the universe essentially
Speaker 1: to kill this movie because yes, Anna and Ben dated.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to probably get pushed back.
Speaker 1: Maybe there are so many streaming services it will probably
Speaker 1: pop up there because people are gonna want to see
Speaker 1: Ben and Anna in a movie where she might be,
Speaker 1: you know, playing a crazy person. It's a psychological thriller.
Speaker 1: It's directed by a woman. It's set in like nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: It's people will watch just to hate watch. I think
Speaker 1: you're just trying to figure out where to put it.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be fine and make money. So it's about
Speaker 1: an open marriage where she doesn't like him anymore. He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, you can have as many, you know, lovers
Speaker 1: as you want, and then like those lovers start ending
Speaker 1: up dead. So I think the plot is like that
Speaker 1: he might be a cold blooded cereal killer or maybe
Speaker 1: you know, you might be right, but that that is
Speaker 1: the first bread that I've gotten. Like the summary, she
Speaker 1: it seems like it might be. It's okay. Rondic thrillers
Speaker 1: are trying to make a comeback right now. Paul Verhoeven,
Speaker 1: who did Basic Instinct and is a pig, decide I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make some movies he if you guys don't know
Speaker 1: the story, there's a famous scene in that movie where
Speaker 1: there's a famous scene where Sharon stone On crosses her legs.
Speaker 1: You can see her vagina right instinct. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a shot where it was more suggestive.
Speaker 1: So she wore white panties, which would essentially allow for
Speaker 1: either a blending into the skirt or create a line
Speaker 1: with the camera that's like, okay, we shouldn't we need
Speaker 1: to push up a little bit. You weren't supposed to
Speaker 1: see anything. She didn't know, but he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: can you please take off your underwear? Why? I don't
Speaker 1: mean to He was like, take them off, It'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I promised we won't show anything. She found it out
Speaker 1: in the middle of a premiere, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the premier, watching a full audience, that her genitals were
Speaker 1: now going to be distributed globally. Yeah. Pick so now
Speaker 1: they're saying erotic fillers are going to come back. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of feelings about this. I think it
Speaker 1: comes off the back of movies like Gone Girl, excellent film,
Speaker 1: sort of throwing the erotic thriller on its head because
Speaker 1: one it's the woman and instead of going directly after
Speaker 1: her husband. It's become more of a mystery and consuming
Speaker 1: and bringing him back to her in a way that
Speaker 1: is so scary and manipulative, but actually chooses to dissect
Speaker 1: what it is to be in a marriage of not
Speaker 1: love but kind of just being trapped. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not married. That was the sense I got from it,
Speaker 1: and it said don't get married. Um, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think that our autic fillers have a horrible, horrible history
Speaker 1: of becoming real world spaces for sexual assault and or rape,
Speaker 1: many of them which made it to the final film,
Speaker 1: which is deeply disturbing. Also, I wonder if they have
Speaker 1: a place if you watch a lot of older erotic thrillers,
Speaker 1: particularly once from the seventies and eighties, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how well these translate to our modern times, to
Speaker 1: this modern era. I don't know what do you think, Jack,
Speaker 1: I So I think that first of all, so the
Speaker 1: paulver Hoven story that you told with Sharon Stone, that
Speaker 1: is sexual assault, like that is he should be in
Speaker 1: jail for that. Instead he is part of this like
Speaker 1: new wave of like he's making a erotic thriller and
Speaker 1: people are like this might be a new kind of
Speaker 1: era of erotic thrillers. I feel I don't think that's
Speaker 1: going to happen with movies made by him or the
Speaker 1: guy who made Fatal Attraction is also coming back. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, yeah. And I do wonder if, like
Speaker 1: I think there is the common ground for erotic thrillers
Speaker 1: to come back, because I do think that because of
Speaker 1: like social media and porn and just like I feel
Speaker 1: like there's less closeness and people are more strangers to
Speaker 1: each other than ever before now, and like people are
Speaker 1: more alone than ever before. I do think there's probably
Speaker 1: like added anxieties around like erotic and romantic vulnerability. I
Speaker 1: I think there's probably going to be movies that deal
Speaker 1: with that in really provocative ways. I think they will
Speaker 1: be made by young people who have grown up in
Speaker 1: the era of social media and like with those realities present.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be made by fucking Paul Verhoeven.
Speaker 1: But I also think that, like some of the ideas
Speaker 1: around this being like a new wave of erotic thrillers,
Speaker 1: some of these analyzes are pulling in three sixty five Days,
Speaker 1: which was just I feel like, so we covered that
Speaker 1: last year, Like it was the number one movie on
Speaker 1: Netflix for a lot of the year. It was just
Speaker 1: like soft soft porn that like people felt comfortable consuming
Speaker 1: as a date night thriller because it was number one
Speaker 1: on Netflix, and like, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like it's I'm going to reject
Speaker 1: it because it doesn't fit into my big theory that
Speaker 1: I just said. Richardson was a huge hit this year,
Speaker 1: and after like episode eight, it was just them fucking
Speaker 1: like yeah, but not anymore than like Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: I think, and and and not with the with less
Speaker 1: of the like violence and chance for murder then like
Speaker 1: your typical erotic thriller has. Yeah, there's definitely a hole
Speaker 1: to be filled, like with true crime like coming into
Speaker 1: the main z guys nowadays, like murders only in the
Speaker 1: building or murder in the building, which the only murders
Speaker 1: in the building. Yeah, that's great. I love that. And
Speaker 1: then you got bin Game of Thrones and all these
Speaker 1: sexy type of films coming in. It makes sense that
Speaker 1: people want to combine them. But like you said, Jack,
Speaker 1: just finding the right voice, Like white Men, they got
Speaker 1: a point of view, and we've clearly seen it for
Speaker 1: most of movie history. Yeah, hey, white guys, let's maybe
Speaker 1: sit this one out. Let's see what other people serious.
Speaker 1: That's great, Just keep on goals if you're seriousness for everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're family, we have Bond. Let's get let's go with
Speaker 1: James Bond. Okay, anyways, it has been such a pleasure
Speaker 1: talking to both of you about all of this. Am
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you and subscribe
Speaker 1: and join your pa. I'm mainly on Instagram, Twitter at
Speaker 1: the double Underscore Red Dot. I'm also on Reddit and Facebook.
Speaker 1: My Patreon it's at the Double Underscore Red Dot. So
Speaker 1: I post pretty much every day, either an animation or
Speaker 1: a comic and yeah I'm fun. Yeah I'm fun. And
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying. I had a tweet, but like, given
Speaker 1: how heavy we've been talking, it was kind of depressive.
Speaker 1: So I just I would rather promote some comic artists,
Speaker 1: like one of my favorites, Yeah, Alex Smith draws. He's
Speaker 1: like the only comics like I even have a tweet
Speaker 1: about that. He's the only comic artist that I actively
Speaker 1: quote almost every day because he has like these animations
Speaker 1: and parodies of like a Lord of the Rings that
Speaker 1: just it had me crying the first time I saw it.
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Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you? And Joel Money
Speaker 1: you can find me all over the internet. Actual money
Speaker 1: gets to J L E L E M O N
Speaker 1: I Q you eat. I have two very quick tweets.
Speaker 1: The first one is at Rose Don't Move. It's the
Speaker 1: picture of the sex of the City ladies and it
Speaker 1: says the fourth character is New York but it's New
Speaker 1: York Pollard. It tells my heart with so much joy.
Speaker 1: It's so silly, but I love it. The other one
Speaker 1: is the quest to fans, if you can find this pin,
Speaker 1: I will, I don't know. We can negotiate on what
Speaker 1: it is you need in life. I will try to
Speaker 1: make it happen. I'll retweet you. I will send you
Speaker 1: a little video. It's a little pin which I collect
Speaker 1: like an enamel pin. It's like a newspaper and it
Speaker 1: says the Black Times and under meath it like a subheadline,
Speaker 1: it says I love being Black. Ship kind of dangerous,
Speaker 1: but it slit. I need it to happen. It's adorable
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Speaker 1: So if you know where to buy that, find me
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Speaker 1: all right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack
Speaker 1: Underscore O'Brien. One tweet that are just bringing up a
Speaker 1: bridgetin reminded me of Anti Donohue tweeted, no, and then
Speaker 1: it's attributed to me being challenged to a duel and
Speaker 1: we would have the great musical Hamilton's okay. Uh Like
Speaker 1: that was the detail of that that. I was just like,
Speaker 1: what the funk is this guy's problem? Like with his
Speaker 1: kid to his kid, He's like, all right, son, here's
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. You gotta yeah. I was just like, okay.
Speaker 1: And then Rose damn you tweeted I wonder if Carrie
Speaker 1: wrote about the insurrection and reference to the new sex
Speaker 1: in the City. And then a friend of mine, some
Speaker 1: guy named John which is his name on Twitter, just
Speaker 1: gave us a sample and I watched. And as I
Speaker 1: watched the Q and on shopman smear feces on the
Speaker 1: walls of the Capitol. I couldn't help but wonder was
Speaker 1: my marriage the real big lie? Stop it? And he
Speaker 1: capitalized big so Actually, John's a very funny writer. You
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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our foot notes. Foot
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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as a song
Speaker 1: that we think you might enjoy. And today Miles is
Speaker 1: not here, so we're gonna throw to super producer Justin Smith.
Speaker 1: Justin tell the people what they should go listen to
Speaker 1: right now? Okay, Well, in light of Kim being able
Speaker 1: to move on to better, greener pastures and being able to,
Speaker 1: you know, have the dream and say fuck you, I'm
Speaker 1: going on to something greater, there's a song called I
Speaker 1: Got Money Now and Jid it's gray I. My sister
Speaker 1: Joel Monique loves this track and she plays it. It's
Speaker 1: all the time. It's mostly like I. When I first
Speaker 1: played it, I was like, what's going on here? Because
Speaker 1: it starts off with a little twanging guitar, and as
Speaker 1: a black man, I'm very suspicious of that. And then
Speaker 1: but then this driving baseline comes in and plays off
Speaker 1: the percussion and so well. And then the first words
Speaker 1: are I got money now. And the hook the reframe
Speaker 1: that it keeps coming back to you is I got
Speaker 1: money now, bitch. And and he's telling this to someone
Speaker 1: to you know, to put a fine point on it.
Speaker 1: The lyricism the last per second. If you're really listening
Speaker 1: to the punch lines, they're every line just about. It's
Speaker 1: a funny song. It's lighthearted, even if you're down bad
Speaker 1: right now and you don't have that much money in
Speaker 1: your bank account. Everyone loves to fantasize. This is how
Speaker 1: hip hop got started. The rags the Richest story. So
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Speaker 1: can check that out in the Footnoope, all right, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I've looked. I just looked up the lyrics. I love
Speaker 1: it already. Yeah. Also just a quick pickup, shout out
Speaker 1: to row who she's got both Jack and I shouted
Speaker 1: out her tweets. She got a new show right here
Speaker 1: on iHeart called Like a Virgin. It is super funny.
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying it, so check it out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: shout out to Justin coming strong with the great song recommendation.
Speaker 1: All right, well, that is going to do it for us.
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