Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to seventeen, episode three,
Speaker 1: after Daily Night guice to production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It's Wednesday, December. Nope, yeah, it's Wednesday,
Speaker 1: December twenty two. I'm not even I don't know what
Speaker 1: national international day we are recognizing. It's a real mess today, Folks.
Speaker 1: Is also the last recording of a full episode of
Speaker 1: We did it with a really good headspace. Yeah, aspiring
Speaker 1: on all cylinders, you want to go out on top?
Speaker 1: Jody guest co host who I haven't introduced yet. Well,
Speaker 1: my name is Jack O'Brien a K. Welcome to those
Speaker 1: I please drink rose out of my skull till I
Speaker 1: feel all right. That is courtesy Alex Louvie reference to
Speaker 1: stone Fruit, the song we went out on yesterday, in
Speaker 1: which the best verse is about somebody being annibalized by
Speaker 1: a woman and having their bones turned into a bed
Speaker 1: and rose sipped down to their school. I thought that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Well, I'm thrilled to be joined today
Speaker 1: by a two headed guest co host. You know monster.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start out with uh special guest co host
Speaker 1: who hosts the podcast This Day, an Esoteric political History
Speaker 1: for Radio Topia executive producer Adam McKay's podcast Death at
Speaker 1: the Wing about tragedy and basketball in the eighties. You
Speaker 1: may have heard him hosting thirty for thirty for ESPN
Speaker 1: thirty politics podcast in the past, but right now he
Speaker 1: is here. It is Jody Aberna. Thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having me. You want to do it
Speaker 1: again with Abrigan? Nope, OKC not going on fair enough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it that way. It's Jody Abergan and
Speaker 1: what's up. Jody, Hey, thank you for having me on
Speaker 1: the last episode of the year. Yeah, I'm surprised of
Speaker 1: all the of all the ways you could have stumbled
Speaker 1: and saying the date, it's actually the year that I'm
Speaker 1: surprised you've got right, just because I feel like so
Speaker 1: many people, I feel like twenty one just wanted to
Speaker 1: this big blob feeling blend just a blender. Well, we
Speaker 1: are also thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by a legendary actor writer you've heard on Comedy Bang Bang,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite podcasts, The Flagrant Ones. You can
Speaker 1: currently see him on the NBC Comedy Grand Crew, Please
Speaker 1: welcome the brilliant, the talented Carl tal You want to
Speaker 1: come out again with Tate Now I'm just playing, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, didn't finally gave me the keys? Y'all? It's
Speaker 1: been this many years that I finally gave me the keys.
Speaker 1: They gave me half a key. They took me. They
Speaker 1: gave me half a key. But I'm a flip it
Speaker 1: and turn it into a brick. Okay, they they finally
Speaker 1: It's been so many years. There's been like five years
Speaker 1: since I've been trying to take Miles a spot and
Speaker 1: I have finally done it. This is crazy, this is
Speaker 1: this is insane. They only gave me half Again, we
Speaker 1: are sharing the duties today of co host. It's like
Speaker 1: when you take your driver's test and the person next
Speaker 1: to you just still has a break just in case. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave me because they because they know what I'm
Speaker 1: liable to do. I'm liable to run this thing into
Speaker 1: a telephone pole. I'm telling you, they justin Let's go
Speaker 1: back and edit all that out we're getting I'm just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's great to have you both, Carl, wonderful to
Speaker 1: have you. You have been, you know, just subtly seating
Speaker 1: that you would be a better co host than Miles
Speaker 1: for for a long time and you know, finally given
Speaker 1: it a shot. Fine, I got my sides, I got
Speaker 1: my head shot. I'm standing outside of Jack's house ready
Speaker 1: to walk this show. Is what is subtly seating it?
Speaker 1: Like with him saying, you know, I would be a
Speaker 1: better co host than Yeah, like they're sung. You know
Speaker 1: audio grams there are, um you know, just help point
Speaker 1: out every time Miles like flubs a word or flubs
Speaker 1: the guests name, which is you know, as far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned on my Twitter burner, I'm always the one
Speaker 1: that has something to say negative about the Uh they
Speaker 1: don't know that it's me, but I'm admitting that it's
Speaker 1: me now because I finally made here. They finally gave
Speaker 1: me half a key. The hats that will be worn
Speaker 1: during this now way better quality, just so you know
Speaker 1: you can see you can see it back here right here,
Speaker 1: way better quality. You know, I think that's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. But to shout out
Speaker 1: to the o G listeners, to the people to the
Speaker 1: day ones who remember who remember me from back in
Speaker 1: the day. I know it's probably a lot of new listeners,
Speaker 1: but shout out to the o G who've been putting
Speaker 1: up with so many subpart shows with Miles host just
Speaker 1: to get to this moment, just to get here when
Speaker 1: they started doing this podcast in four Yes, you were
Speaker 1: one of our first guests zero year old as a
Speaker 1: zero year all was not born. Yeah, but you were
Speaker 1: among the first guests on the on the show back
Speaker 1: long time ago, one of the original culture kings. And yeah,
Speaker 1: congrats on Grand crew Man, Thanks man, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: and congrats on Flagrant Ones continuing to be a great podcast. Hey,
Speaker 1: that felt that. It feels good to still be doing
Speaker 1: that with those guys at Universe. Got shout shout out
Speaker 1: to Vulture. We got it shouted out in the one
Speaker 1: top comedy podcast of the year. So that's pretty sick,
Speaker 1: well deserved, pretty pretty fucking sick, pretty sick night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we had just due to the general state
Speaker 1: of things, we had a guest who had to scratch
Speaker 1: last minute because their live show was like is it
Speaker 1: it's a mess out there, But yeah, basically COVID related issues.
Speaker 1: The best excuse that we've ever had for somebody to scratch.
Speaker 1: Last minute, I'll just say that you've not You've never
Speaker 1: had anyone scratch because of COVID related issues. That's far
Speaker 1: you do the show every single thing we have, No,
Speaker 1: we just make them power through. Yeah. We'll usually just yeah,
Speaker 1: and it has matt suit and put a mic in
Speaker 1: front of their face. All right, Well, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to know both of you guys, all of us a
Speaker 1: little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: our listeners a few of the things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: There's this Biden administration statement that has kind of gone viral,
Speaker 1: especially on the right before its open frustration with you know,
Speaker 1: the wording is pretty straightforward, So we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Jake Paul because this guy just
Speaker 1: the worst. And we will also ask the question, what
Speaker 1: what the funk is master class. I was surprised to
Speaker 1: see it's valued at like billions of dollars, two point
Speaker 1: seven five billion dollars, and I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I've heard from people who have done a
Speaker 1: master class, but I've never heard from someone who's like
Speaker 1: this is good and worth the money. So we'll look
Speaker 1: at all of that plenty more. But first, Jody, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go with you. What what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? I was spent more of the
Speaker 1: morning that I probably care to admit searching the Nets
Speaker 1: starting lineup. That was my most recent search history, which
Speaker 1: the Nets of now I guess canceled some games. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I have a fancy basketball team. I
Speaker 1: have a that's currently being decimated by COVID. I follow
Speaker 1: the league, and you know, the Brooklyn Nets have had
Speaker 1: Carl You might know better than I do, but it's
Speaker 1: something like eleven players in COVID protocol or something, including
Speaker 1: famously carry Irving. I wanted to put COVID protocol, like
Speaker 1: twenty hours after he got called back to play he
Speaker 1: got activated. Yeah, the day he got activated. But you know,
Speaker 1: just I googled Nets starting lineup and then immediately started
Speaker 1: googling the names of those people because I've never heard
Speaker 1: of them before, and they are now starters in the
Speaker 1: National Basketball Association, people like Kessler Edwards and David Duke Jr.
Speaker 1: And then it's gotten to the point where David Duke
Speaker 1: ju oh, yeah, you know, you don't know legendary racist
Speaker 1: David Duke as his son. Who's just if there are
Speaker 1: players on the nets who are in COVID protocol who
Speaker 1: I've never heard of, Like it's got to that part
Speaker 1: where guys have gotten caught up and gotten COVID. DeAndre
Speaker 1: Bembrey is is not just playing for the nets, but
Speaker 1: has been put on COVID protocol, and it's it's remarkable,
Speaker 1: and I'm just curious. You know what the two of you,
Speaker 1: I know you follow the league. Are they just gonna
Speaker 1: keep finding people, pulling them out of the hat to
Speaker 1: throw them out there until they get COVID or what's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here? I hope they keep doing until
Speaker 1: I go how many? Honestly, how what are you? You
Speaker 1: know how they you know how they have like for president,
Speaker 1: how it goes all the way down to where like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the chain of commands. I feel like if an NBA
Speaker 1: player is the president, Like let's say my favorite team
Speaker 1: is the l A Clipper, So let's say Paul George
Speaker 1: is the president, I'm probably like the postmaster of a
Speaker 1: small county in Iowa. Yeah, so it'll take me a
Speaker 1: while to get there. But you're in that. You're in
Speaker 1: the chain of command. Yeah, by the time I get there,
Speaker 1: let's just say it's gonna be bad. Babe, is gonna
Speaker 1: be bad, and people not gonna be trying to watch it. Right.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're entering the Replacements territory, which is
Speaker 1: a movie I haven't seen but that I'm aware of,
Speaker 1: where they were just like pulling, like after the strikes,
Speaker 1: the owners in the NFL were just like pulling people
Speaker 1: off the off the street to to join and play football.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're we're getting there. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: still like, these are still people who if I played
Speaker 1: basketball with them, I would suspect that they were like
Speaker 1: warlocks or you know, some manner of like mute mutant.
Speaker 1: They they're still good at basketball. One of the guys
Speaker 1: who just got picked up by the Bulls was played
Speaker 1: for Georgetown for a while and I was familiar with
Speaker 1: him and he was fucking awesome, like when we played
Speaker 1: for George Show and he's you know, for four levels deep.
Speaker 1: But you know, well, we'll see. So the NHL canceled
Speaker 1: games until after Christmas, speculating it feels like the NBA
Speaker 1: is pushing through Christmas because they gotta. I mean that
Speaker 1: Christmas Day. That's all. Those Christmas Day games are the
Speaker 1: highest profile games the marquee teams. Now, granted, there may
Speaker 1: not be any players that anyone recognizes that those games,
Speaker 1: but it does seem really naked nakedly transparent to me
Speaker 1: that the league is trying to just get to Christmas,
Speaker 1: where the probably smart thing to do would be to
Speaker 1: take a pause, especially since I'm a little out over
Speaker 1: my skis here. But you know, it does seem like
Speaker 1: this is moving so fast that there might be a
Speaker 1: scenario in which, you know, a two or three week
Speaker 1: pause really actually does sort of do some good because
Speaker 1: this this is just moving so so quickly, and the
Speaker 1: NHL seems to have made that decision. But the league,
Speaker 1: I think, I don't. I don't see any other way
Speaker 1: to view this as other than we got to get
Speaker 1: to these Christmas these these to these Christmas games, and
Speaker 1: you know, whatever happens happens. I wonder who are they
Speaker 1: consulting with on this, like epidemiologists and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think, what do you think? Well, here here's let
Speaker 1: let me ask you guys. You're concerned. Are you concerned
Speaker 1: with the safety of the players or are you concerned
Speaker 1: with the fact that they're doing this just to save
Speaker 1: to make money. Because here's if we're speaking honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: going off of I'm not I'm no, I'm no epidemiologists.
Speaker 1: But I followed my boy Scott got Leaves like he's
Speaker 1: a big booty Instagram model, and I listen to everything
Speaker 1: he said. I listen to he's the guy that trust
Speaker 1: him because everything that he has said, everything he's predicted
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, has come true every
Speaker 1: single time. So technically, this strain that we're going through
Speaker 1: right now, this surge that we're going through, is a
Speaker 1: super super contagious one, but it's a very mild and
Speaker 1: toned down right, so mild. I guess with y'all, I
Speaker 1: got it right now. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna ask you
Speaker 1: ask anyone have it? You have it? I do? But
Speaker 1: and and and I had. I had delta, So that's
Speaker 1: why I didn't get sick. And also I got a
Speaker 1: little I had like a stuff he knows, like like
Speaker 1: eight days ago. Really, and I kept testing. I kept testing,
Speaker 1: uh negative, constantly testing negative. And I took a test
Speaker 1: like yesterday just before I went to a Clipper game.
Speaker 1: It was a PCR test. I took a rappid. The
Speaker 1: rappid came back negative. Got the PCR result later it
Speaker 1: was positive. Yeah, I just want to commend you for
Speaker 1: saving this information for thirteen minutes into the part. I mean,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't want to makeet my penny
Speaker 1: even though we're all on but all right now we're
Speaker 1: all calling each other's mouth. We're all doing this, doing
Speaker 1: a spaghetti thing and uh so lady in the tramp
Speaker 1: spaghetti Tuesday morning when one person is talking to the
Speaker 1: other two are doing a Lady in the tramp two
Speaker 1: weeks anything. Yeah, but you know, like it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like a Scott Gotlieb said, He's like, this isn't gonna
Speaker 1: be a a crazy one, Like it really is going
Speaker 1: to be more like we're getting into that level where
Speaker 1: it's kind of be coming into the flu. You know.
Speaker 1: But if the if the league articulates that. But right now,
Speaker 1: and I think everyone is in this sort of situation
Speaker 1: because you know, but where you have these just bare
Speaker 1: barely a semblance of protocol is built for basically Delta,
Speaker 1: and now we have this new thing coming along and
Speaker 1: you're trying to sort of implement any systems that you
Speaker 1: may have to something that is that is different as
Speaker 1: you're as you're saying, and you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how I would feel if Adam Silver came out and
Speaker 1: and and be like, listen, folks, I'm Adam Silver. I
Speaker 1: follow Scott Gottlieb as if he were a big booty
Speaker 1: Instagram model, and he has told me that this is
Speaker 1: no worse than the flu, and we're just gonna let
Speaker 1: this run through our players and we're just gonna get
Speaker 1: past it. But if the league said that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, at least it's an ethos or something, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but right now, it's
Speaker 1: just like middle ground mud old trying to use some
Speaker 1: protocols on something that's moving so fast. And so I
Speaker 1: just feel like, especially for a league which has been
Speaker 1: I think, really commendable for how they've responded, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just been weird for them to do it, because I mean,
Speaker 1: when you got play, when you got like the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bulls who had like nine players that one day. First
Speaker 1: of all, my fantasy team is wrecked. I don't even
Speaker 1: like playing fantasy basketball so much, but my fantasy basketball
Speaker 1: team is Rick and my fantasy football team is going
Speaker 1: through a little bit of an issue too right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm about to go into playoffs as
Speaker 1: a once and the man and the coach has come on, man,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, I mean I did like that. I did,
Speaker 1: like Sean Payton, I I let my assistant coach take
Speaker 1: over this way. Yeah, I mean I find out. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're finding out in real time, like the
Speaker 1: severity stuff like that was you know, yeah, just on
Speaker 1: this show, which does have you know, our listenership is
Speaker 1: so large that it kind of shifts entire populations. We've
Speaker 1: been like, you know, at first, I was just paying
Speaker 1: attention to the like South African numbers, and it did
Speaker 1: seem to indicate that like it swept through the whole population,
Speaker 1: like peaked and then came down without a huge spike
Speaker 1: in hospitalizations. And so for that reason, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, being optimistic about like severity. But then you
Speaker 1: start hearing from people being like, yeah, but COVID's like
Speaker 1: so unpredictable and also like it just it totally depends
Speaker 1: on whether people have been vaccinated or not. Well, it's
Speaker 1: that it's that classic thing where if you look at
Speaker 1: it at an individual level for many people, especially if
Speaker 1: you've been vaccinated and boosted, it means one thing. But
Speaker 1: if you look at it as a system wide level,
Speaker 1: where you know, our health care system is already taxed,
Speaker 1: and so if you look at the denominator of the
Speaker 1: number of people who are getting you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: amount version of of COVID, even the slightest uptick in
Speaker 1: hospital stations puts just an impossible straight on the healthcare system.
Speaker 1: And you know, the NBA is connected to the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. People go to arenas and walk out
Speaker 1: of those arenas and interact with people who are unvaccinated,
Speaker 1: and so at some basic level, I think we still
Speaker 1: have to realize that we are connected. Um and that
Speaker 1: last night right exactly, Yeah, you're Justice Winslow, which the
Speaker 1: pictures of you guys doing the Lady and the Tramp
Speaker 1: thing where it was yeah, it was cute. It's how's
Speaker 1: just swins little playing by the way, good brother dad,
Speaker 1: um ship. He reminds me, not not that I have
Speaker 1: any experience with this sort of thing as a Sixers fan,
Speaker 1: but one of those guys who comes in the league
Speaker 1: and everyone's like amazing athlete, like so good at like
Speaker 1: defense and all these things and help figure out how
Speaker 1: to shoot. And sometimes that just doesn't happen. So so
Speaker 1: let me ask you, well, I know we need to
Speaker 1: move on, but one quick question. If you are one
Speaker 1: of these places, you gets caught up in the middle
Speaker 1: two weeks of December and you play in the league
Speaker 1: because nine dudes got COVID ten years from now, do
Speaker 1: you get to just tell someone I played in the NBA.
Speaker 1: All forty of my kids will know, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they'll say why and you just sort of mumble and
Speaker 1: walk out of the room, right, yeah, yeah, keep that
Speaker 1: jersey frame it all right, Carl. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to you for overrated. What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: Over rated? Let me tell you what it is overrated.
Speaker 1: The virtual check system on your banking app, the virtual
Speaker 1: deposit Right now, I know that everybody. If you, if
Speaker 1: you only get one check every two weeks, it sounds
Speaker 1: like I'm flexing, but I'm not. If you, if you
Speaker 1: only get one check every two weeks, that system might
Speaker 1: be super convenient for you. If the lighting is right
Speaker 1: and you got it on a specific type of table,
Speaker 1: and you gotta do this, and you gotta do that
Speaker 1: see me, I'm an actor, and we get a bunch
Speaker 1: of thirty eight dollar residual checks probably like and so
Speaker 1: depositing twenty checks all worth less than fifty bucks is
Speaker 1: sometimes much less than fifty bucks, sometimes so much less
Speaker 1: there worth no bucks. But you don't have to deposit
Speaker 1: those of course. But if like that app when it
Speaker 1: doesn't catch right, when the flash don't flash right, when
Speaker 1: the when the when the number at the bottom ain't numbering,
Speaker 1: that machine does not work, and it's overrated. What's the check?
Speaker 1: You've ever got zero point zero dollars? They send you
Speaker 1: a check, they send me check. The check worth less
Speaker 1: than the stero zero dollars? What was zero point zero?
Speaker 1: Like no, no penny, not no penny, not even a penny.
Speaker 1: I've gotten checks for two cents. I've gotten checks for
Speaker 1: five cents, thirty seven cents. Right, it's opening up residual checks,
Speaker 1: is like especially when like so I get all my mail,
Speaker 1: like my mom mailbox spot because we just have had
Speaker 1: the same address forever. I don't leave my mom ladies.
Speaker 1: But checks, yeah, yeah, when we go pick up a
Speaker 1: big but I won't go over there for like, let's
Speaker 1: say I don't go over there for like a month
Speaker 1: or two months even sometimes, and I'll have like a
Speaker 1: stack of like twenty five envelopes from SAG and it's
Speaker 1: like it's like playing scratch off lottery tickets, all right,
Speaker 1: because you never know what you're gonna open up. You
Speaker 1: might open up one from a job that you forgot
Speaker 1: you did. Oh, I did a two line been on
Speaker 1: Late Night with James Corton four years ago. Here's ninety
Speaker 1: eight dollars. That's cool? Is that? Is that like just
Speaker 1: based on the chaos of like, okay, suddenly this has
Speaker 1: like five million views on YouTube? Or is it like
Speaker 1: they're they're selling the rights to something, or you know what,
Speaker 1: I got some checks when they when they sold when
Speaker 1: Comedy Bank Banks sold the rights to HBO Max, I
Speaker 1: got a couple of really good checks from being on
Speaker 1: the Comedy Bank Bank Show. And I was very surprised
Speaker 1: by that, because that job doesn't really pay that. But
Speaker 1: do you ever try and write the story backwards and
Speaker 1: be like, man, you know a bunch of people must
Speaker 1: have watched this random thing for some random reason over
Speaker 1: the last month, or is it usually because of some
Speaker 1: Let me check my star meter on IMDb, because it
Speaker 1: must be going up because I'm kidding, Bread, I got
Speaker 1: seven dollars from Girl Meets World. Yeah, Bread, I can
Speaker 1: check his grip. But the first time you did that
Speaker 1: remote check thing didn't not feel like magic, because I
Speaker 1: remember being pretty blown away by that. I was blown
Speaker 1: away by and then I deposited a couple of checks
Speaker 1: and then a couple of them like bounced back to
Speaker 1: me later because the lighting was off in the end
Speaker 1: of deposit thing and stuff like that, and so that's
Speaker 1: what's so frustrating is you have to like check back
Speaker 1: on it to make sure that they got it, and
Speaker 1: sometimes they're just like, oh, yeah, that didn't that didn't
Speaker 1: take Sorry, yeah, yeah, that's very frustrating. One of the
Speaker 1: first stories that I ever did at ABC News was
Speaker 1: being like, guys, these camera phones haven't camera is on
Speaker 1: Our phones are gonna be it. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big deal. It's gonna change how we live. So all
Speaker 1: of this ship feels like magic to me because I'm
Speaker 1: old as fun. All right, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and uh talk about something that's underrated
Speaker 1: and get into some news. And we're back, and what
Speaker 1: what do we think is something that's underrated. I don't
Speaker 1: think we determined who's gonna give us thunderrated. But you
Speaker 1: got one, I'll give you one. Croc pots. Croc croc pots.
Speaker 1: You can cook anything crock pots. I mean you can't
Speaker 1: like fried s, you want fried stuff, but any type
Speaker 1: of soups and dips and things like that. You literally
Speaker 1: and you don't have to stir it before you cook it.
Speaker 1: You just put all the ingredients in there and then
Speaker 1: when it's done, you give it a stir and it's
Speaker 1: ready to go. Okay, So so quick quick rankings here, right,
Speaker 1: we have croc pots, we have insta pots, the pressure
Speaker 1: cooker thing, and we have touch ovens where you still right,
Speaker 1: the croc pod, I will I'll put that. I'll put
Speaker 1: the crock pot on top of the anster pot, and
Speaker 1: I'll put the Dutch oven last. Although the Dutch Dutch
Speaker 1: of in this classic you know, and it's also really
Speaker 1: cool when you do like when you heat it by putting.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more taxing sometimes with a Dutch oven,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't put enough with like I've seen
Speaker 1: people in my family we used to have a real
Speaker 1: old cast iron one else probably from like the eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds or something that you would have to put like
Speaker 1: coals around it and coals on top of it. But
Speaker 1: it would you could bake cakes in that thing. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just a lot more taxing. I think the
Speaker 1: crock pot is just first of all, it's very easy
Speaker 1: to clean that non stick bowl that you put out
Speaker 1: of there and just rent off a little bit after
Speaker 1: you make your row tail. You know, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say that. Just the non stick
Speaker 1: technology the kitchens are coming with these days, like with
Speaker 1: the um what's that the vitam X blender, yea one
Speaker 1: of those like that just slides off, just like tip
Speaker 1: it over and everything slides off. That's that's how I
Speaker 1: clean the vitem Explendor. There's like all sorts of pots
Speaker 1: that have just there's so much easier to clean. We
Speaker 1: don't want to, we don't want to think too much
Speaker 1: about that. The reason they're so non sticky. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming it's not giving me cans. Yeah, that's give me
Speaker 1: a little flavor. Yeah, hands are so good make you
Speaker 1: want to slap your mama. Um are all the things
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, crack pots and pots, Dutch ovens, are
Speaker 1: they all things that you just plug in and then well,
Speaker 1: the Dutch oven you have to apparently around a hole
Speaker 1: in your backyard, get some get some coals. That one
Speaker 1: goes into an actual oven or on a on a
Speaker 1: stove yap. The others, Yes, you just plug in and
Speaker 1: they won't, you know, raise the temperature in your house
Speaker 1: by And there's something about like the pressure cooker one
Speaker 1: whichever the one whichever is the one that you can
Speaker 1: like turn into a pressure cooker like that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the only time I've had like chicken breast that was
Speaker 1: like tender. Yeah, I feel like chicken chicken breast. Usually
Speaker 1: if you cook it like it has there's like a
Speaker 1: one second window of cooking it where it becomes like
Speaker 1: two overcooked. But yeah, if you leave the chicken breast
Speaker 1: in there, let it rock for like three hours, it's
Speaker 1: nice and tender. Pretty impossible that yeah, Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: you can you can rip that chicken breast up with
Speaker 1: a four put some ingredients in there to make a
Speaker 1: nice buffalo chicken dip. Come on, come on, give it
Speaker 1: to death in the buffalo chicken dead chips, chips chips
Speaker 1: in a dip. You're you're telling me chips in a dip.
Speaker 1: Come on, what are you dipping in the buffalo chicken dip?
Speaker 1: I actually don't ever make buffalo chicken. Crostini is good
Speaker 1: and something like that too, but if you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta have to have the good thick chips. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: really hold together. You dip your hand in their Johnie,
Speaker 1: that's just straight up stress. You get your big pond. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's especially timely right now. People. People are good with
Speaker 1: just sticking your fingers and dips this holiday more than ever, now,
Speaker 1: more than ever. I know. That's what I'm doing today
Speaker 1: at all the holiday parties I'm going to why not
Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, you can't ship that like funk up
Speaker 1: your holidays? No, no, no, here's why I don't think
Speaker 1: it's sucked up my holidays. Number one, we got a
Speaker 1: whole week. I have a whole week. First of all,
Speaker 1: today is literally like the eighth day from since I
Speaker 1: felt symptoms I guess if you will, And my symptoms
Speaker 1: only lasted like three days last week. So even though
Speaker 1: the test was very like I mean, I was testing
Speaker 1: all week because I was I was doing my due diligence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not out here just take one week as rapid
Speaker 1: and then getting out of streets, I was, I was
Speaker 1: doing my dude dealing. I did my part. I just
Speaker 1: got gout in the end, you know, I played myself.
Speaker 1: But uh, I'm I'm I'm already on like day eight
Speaker 1: of the since the first sign of symptoms, and I
Speaker 1: have no symptoms right now. No, I'm just kidding, but uh,
Speaker 1: I have no. I have no symptoms right now. I've
Speaker 1: already like gone through like the sickness that I did
Speaker 1: have last week. So I'll be good by Saturday. I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'll test negative. So yeah, alright, Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: acron listen, let's just talk real quick. There does seem
Speaker 1: to be a shift in how the Biden administration is
Speaker 1: sort of communicating around this wave, and it seems like
Speaker 1: there's a hint of frustration and just not fucking roundedness
Speaker 1: has entered the tone. So on December seventeen, there was
Speaker 1: a White House press briefing from the medical team that's
Speaker 1: supposed to be leading the executive response to the pandemic
Speaker 1: that was pretty like strongly and plainly worded to the
Speaker 1: point that like Snopes had to like verify that it
Speaker 1: was real, like in their post on this. They had
Speaker 1: a Twitter post that said, still struggling to believe this
Speaker 1: is real, but it is White House Gov. We're intent
Speaker 1: on not letting am acron disrupt working school. For the vaccinated,
Speaker 1: you've done the right thing and we will get through this.
Speaker 1: For the unvaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe
Speaker 1: illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals
Speaker 1: you may soon overwhelmed. Which is you know, it just
Speaker 1: feels like a very kind of us first them, Yeah, like, hey,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's yeah, anger, I'm all. I mean, I'll all for uh.
Speaker 1: I am team vaccination, yeah, and team get you a booster.
Speaker 1: But I think that's crazy to say that. Yeah, first off, Jack,
Speaker 1: can I just say that every day when I go
Speaker 1: on Twitter, especially in the evenings, there's always one tweet
Speaker 1: that makes me like literally log out of Twitter, not
Speaker 1: just closed my computer, like log out of Twitter until
Speaker 1: the next day when I manually log back in. And this,
Speaker 1: for me was the tweet two days ago, and just
Speaker 1: the discourse around this tweet that made me so thank
Speaker 1: you for dragging me back into this headspace because it
Speaker 1: was just such an unproductive both screenshot and conversation that
Speaker 1: broke out around it. You know, I have some thoughts
Speaker 1: about the tough, the tough language here. I think it
Speaker 1: is worth pointing out that like this was in a briefing.
Speaker 1: This was spoken on like a call, and it was
Speaker 1: immediately followed you know, this language of for the unvaccinated,
Speaker 1: you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death
Speaker 1: for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals that you may
Speaker 1: soon overwhelmed, which I think is basically a factual statement,
Speaker 1: but it is immediately followed by in this briefing by saying,
Speaker 1: our message to every American is clear, there is action
Speaker 1: that you can take. You can wear masks, you can
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, you can get your kids vaccinated, you can
Speaker 1: get a booster shot. We are prepared to confront this.
Speaker 1: We have plenty of vaccinations, boost shots. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it so to me. I mean, at some level, this
Speaker 1: is a classic Twitter like literally take a screen shot
Speaker 1: out of context, posted online, and funnily enough, I think
Speaker 1: was like picked up by both left and right to
Speaker 1: get upset. But with this, this this sort of language,
Speaker 1: I mean I saw in like lefty circles as people
Speaker 1: being like the Biden administration is given up on trying
Speaker 1: to take it, you know, do lockdowns or sort of
Speaker 1: take measures that we know can work. And then on
Speaker 1: the right, it's like fighting. People are telling, you know,
Speaker 1: lead state on vaccinated folks that they sure to die,
Speaker 1: which I think it's just a really bad faith way
Speaker 1: of interpreting this language. I mean, it is not saying
Speaker 1: we want you to die. It is saying your actions,
Speaker 1: your individual actions have ripple effects, and you have an
Speaker 1: out and you have a choice here, which I think
Speaker 1: it's true. It is still striking language. It's definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's notable for like the change of sort of tone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a guy on CNN yesterday, like one of the
Speaker 1: hosts that I criticized for. You know, he had a
Speaker 1: medical expert on who is like talking about the dangers
Speaker 1: and like you know, passing it to them vaccinated, and
Speaker 1: he was like, well, the vaccinated, that's their fault. Like what,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the vaccinated. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is a probably a smart
Speaker 1: way for the people who are in large of policy
Speaker 1: to be communicating, like you said at like in in
Speaker 1: the context of so go out and get the vaccine,
Speaker 1: like we have the vaccine. That's the difference between this
Speaker 1: and when the outbreak was happening to spring or less spring.
Speaker 1: But I do I get where some people are coming from.
Speaker 1: The the lockdown thing is nonsense, because that's just that
Speaker 1: ship has sailed. We're never going to get people to
Speaker 1: buy into a lockdown, Like a lockdown is something that
Speaker 1: has to be everybody has to buy into. You know.
Speaker 1: It's not like people are going to voluntarily just not
Speaker 1: go to work or go to the grocery store. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are just done with that ship. So Carl, I'm
Speaker 1: curious or both you I'm curious, you know what you
Speaker 1: think about to some extent, and in reading this language,
Speaker 1: I mean there's clearly exasperation I think on the part
Speaker 1: of the Biden White House and just in general sort
Speaker 1: of Yes, I think there's attempt to have tough love here,
Speaker 1: you know. To me, part of it is just trying
Speaker 1: to get it. What I think is a persistent in
Speaker 1: the real understanding of what's at stake here. And I
Speaker 1: think like even for a lot of America is still
Speaker 1: there is not a real deep understanding of like what
Speaker 1: the severity of COVID is. You know, we don't see
Speaker 1: really like the inside of hospitals, we don't really have
Speaker 1: a sense. And I feel like I live in New York.
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of my experience of code
Speaker 1: and so much of why New York has has high
Speaker 1: vaccination rates is because we saw the freezer trucks outside
Speaker 1: of outside of sucking funeral homes. Like I heard sirens
Speaker 1: NonStop for three weeks because I live near a hospital,
Speaker 1: and I do think like for a lot of America,
Speaker 1: they just don't feel it. That's not an excuse for
Speaker 1: not getting vaccinated, because you should think outside yourself. And
Speaker 1: so this, this language starts to make me feel, makes
Speaker 1: me sense a little bit. It's like trying to grab
Speaker 1: people by the collar and be like this is real,
Speaker 1: like like like you close that gap, like understand what's
Speaker 1: at stake here. And I'm just curious if you think
Speaker 1: that's effective or if there's other ways to get people
Speaker 1: to really just see see this for what it is.
Speaker 1: I personally think it's ineffective. And here's what I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. Because I have some close family members that
Speaker 1: I've talked to in the past who an't vaccinated and
Speaker 1: refused to be and and I asked why, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the reason they was because I don't like
Speaker 1: being told what to do and told that I'm stupid
Speaker 1: and told that I'm killing people and told and it's
Speaker 1: when it's not true, I haven't gotten and and their
Speaker 1: their arguments were you know, individualistic. They weren't like thinking
Speaker 1: about the group. They were thinking about, Hey, I don't
Speaker 1: know nobody that got it or I the person that
Speaker 1: got in my family was old, and they I didn't
Speaker 1: give it to him, and I did my due diligence.
Speaker 1: I I stayed safe and I wear my mask, and
Speaker 1: I I just don't want to get that, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I think with the world that we live
Speaker 1: in now, where where you know, especially like a place
Speaker 1: like Twitter is so like everything gets attacked. You could
Speaker 1: say anything on Twitter and it gets attacked, you know,
Speaker 1: And so everybody is on the defense nowadays. So I
Speaker 1: think language like this, and when you when somebody's being
Speaker 1: told something like this, especially they're already on the fence.
Speaker 1: Like people are growing highly frustrated with the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: so they don't want to hear him talking about and
Speaker 1: go get vascinated, go put this thing in your body
Speaker 1: that Honestly, people, I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: even have the capacity really to going research heavily enough
Speaker 1: to know if it's safe or not, and so they're
Speaker 1: just leaning to I don't know if that ship is
Speaker 1: and why do you tell me to do it. There's
Speaker 1: this doctor who like did this long like Twitter thread
Speaker 1: of like twenty two tweets where he was just like,
Speaker 1: this is how I approach it with people who are antiacts,
Speaker 1: and there's just and again this is like I understand
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, especially because these are like medical
Speaker 1: experts who have seen the inside of hospitals, you know,
Speaker 1: the seen doctors killing themselves, because like how awful this
Speaker 1: ship has gotten. You know, it's it's bad for doctors,
Speaker 1: bad in hospitals, it's bad at the peak of these things.
Speaker 1: The doctor who I'm talking about has this like very
Speaker 1: patient like he treats people's doubts like they're valid. I
Speaker 1: feel like, and that's and it's just like very patiently,
Speaker 1: like your questions aren't dumb, Like your questions are understandable.
Speaker 1: Let let me answer them one by one. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, like it does it does feel like there's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a productive kind of approach if you're taking
Speaker 1: into account like where we're at. Granted, I understand the
Speaker 1: frustration like that I'm finding myself more and more just
Speaker 1: being like like I totally see where everyone's coming from.
Speaker 1: It's it's fucking awful, Like we're we're in really bad.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean the whole you know, the horses
Speaker 1: out of the barn. I mean, it's not like the
Speaker 1: problems to this were seated way back when Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was president and was Miss Manses and sort of put
Speaker 1: an air of disinformation out there and so just there
Speaker 1: was there's just no base level of trust. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, my my wife teaches in a public school
Speaker 1: in New York and a number of her students are
Speaker 1: unvaccinated and have a lot of the same sort of
Speaker 1: um doubts and misinformation and disinformation and all these things.
Speaker 1: And you know, a I think she's absolutely boring out
Speaker 1: that you just have to meet someone where they are
Speaker 1: and talk to them. That's really hard to do when
Speaker 1: you're talking about hundreds of millions of people, you know.
Speaker 1: But also I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it does come down to
Speaker 1: some of these you know, trade offs between just can
Speaker 1: I live my life in a quote unquote more normal way,
Speaker 1: or do I have to get a vaccine? And you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people I know who were hesitant
Speaker 1: when it's then says okay, well you know what, like
Speaker 1: if you're unvaccinated, you don't get to do these things,
Speaker 1: or if you're unvaccinated you have to quarantine when you
Speaker 1: hung out with someone who was vaccinated versus if you
Speaker 1: were vaccinated, or who what COVID was. If you were vaccinated,
Speaker 1: you get to go on and live your life. Then
Speaker 1: all of a some people are like, oh, can I
Speaker 1: go get the vaccine now? It's like, well, it's a
Speaker 1: little late, but sure, And you see just sort of
Speaker 1: that that raw calculus get made. But of course, once
Speaker 1: you start to do that, you dip into this whole
Speaker 1: other tricky territory of mandates and you know, lockdowns and impositions,
Speaker 1: which has gotten politicized as well. So yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this is kind of stupid, but I like what
Speaker 1: one of the very first things that you read when
Speaker 1: the pandemic was happening was that the president is generally
Speaker 1: supposed to step back let a like leader or like
Speaker 1: some like doctor or health expert kind of become the
Speaker 1: face of the thing and just kind of keep hitting
Speaker 1: the same simple communications. And like I was hoping that
Speaker 1: the Biden administration would like kind of create a new
Speaker 1: Faucci or someone that like people that would that would
Speaker 1: be the person to like answer those questions, like have
Speaker 1: a fucking dialogue with an antiax or instead of like
Speaker 1: this statement, like have a dialogue in front of like
Speaker 1: you know, the press corps where it's like a very
Speaker 1: understanding patient doctor who can become the face of like
Speaker 1: the messaging around this. Or Olivia Rodrigo, you know that
Speaker 1: they try to with her, but you know, like it,
Speaker 1: find somebody who appeals to both sides and have them
Speaker 1: just hit the same message over and over again, but
Speaker 1: hopefully not in a way that like is kind of
Speaker 1: accusatory or kind of alienating to want one half the population.
Speaker 1: That's my pitch. Al Michael's yeah, that person and also
Speaker 1: Michaels could do it. Yeah, maybe how Michaels. But also
Speaker 1: as soon as that person is it like one of
Speaker 1: these things where as soon as that person stepped into this,
Speaker 1: then they will become politicized. I mean that's the sort
Speaker 1: of story of our era right now, is that you
Speaker 1: can take anything and it can turn into a political wedges.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we all saw the video as not
Speaker 1: a bill O'Reilly, and and they got booed from him,
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump. People who get Trump tattooed on them,
Speaker 1: we're mad at him because he got a booster shop, right,
Speaker 1: And Trump was actually making I think if he had
Speaker 1: made this argument and then shut up, you know, twelve
Speaker 1: months ago, fifteen months ago, maybe it would have made
Speaker 1: a difference. But you know, he was basically saying, like
Speaker 1: this was a win for me. We should own this.
Speaker 1: Don't see this ground. It's like, it's not just hey,
Speaker 1: let's get over our culture war or politics war. It's actually, hey,
Speaker 1: this is something we could have used to win our
Speaker 1: culture war in politics war is that this vaccine was
Speaker 1: developed under under my watch. And I do think he's
Speaker 1: just I just don't think he's smart enough disciplined enough
Speaker 1: to have actually taken take a w when he has
Speaker 1: it um. But he could have said called it the
Speaker 1: Trump vaccine and just written that, and and I think
Speaker 1: it would have made a difference. And I think it
Speaker 1: would have really and then we wouldn't have got helped him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think any version of that would have come down
Speaker 1: to him naming it after him and like turning himself
Speaker 1: into like God Emperor, and like the messaging around it,
Speaker 1: like that he's just incapable of anything that consistently goes
Speaker 1: off the message of him being like somehow the center
Speaker 1: of the universe. If you want to get the Bederta,
Speaker 1: it's the Maderta, the Trump Xie. If you want to
Speaker 1: get fights, there's in Obama vaccine. Nobody's gonna like it,
Speaker 1: and nobody wants it, and nobody wants to rap. This
Speaker 1: is such a this is such a good idea of
Speaker 1: car It's like when I'm when coffee shops put out
Speaker 1: two tip jars and vote right, and it's like, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden turns it into a game. It's like,
Speaker 1: but you're actually just start tipping us for you the
Speaker 1: way if they had turned one one one of these
Speaker 1: vaccines is for blue. One of these vaccines, everyone gets vaccinated.
Speaker 1: I'm doing that motherfucking Obama back sine. Yeah, that's actually smart.
Speaker 1: People like I want to know what's in the truck vaccine,
Speaker 1: what they get. I don't like him, but I'm getting
Speaker 1: that one right. Yeah, They're like if they started charging
Speaker 1: money for it, if they were like, all right, we
Speaker 1: have new vaccine that costs three hundred dollars like people.
Speaker 1: I feel like that people would trust that more than like,
Speaker 1: you know one where you go to a parking lot
Speaker 1: in the government gives it away to you for free.
Speaker 1: I mean Jesus that that line of thinking. It was
Speaker 1: done too fast and effectively and it's free, so I
Speaker 1: don't trust it, Like, yeah, all right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk about Jake
Speaker 1: Paul and we're back and all right. So yeah, Chen
Speaker 1: had a big article that declared one Jake Paul's year,
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, one was Jake Paul's
Speaker 1: year and he earned it or some ship like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hate that ESPN is turned into
Speaker 1: into a clickbait bullshit. Yeah, just like take machines where
Speaker 1: they I don't know, it sucks so much. Like I
Speaker 1: love sports and and sports media back in the day
Speaker 1: with the Stewart Scottsen and people like it was the
Speaker 1: lady with the glasses, the blond lady, uh not doors Burke,
Speaker 1: but like the lady who worked on Linda, yeah, Linda,
Speaker 1: like back in those days, like man, it was like
Speaker 1: it's just like how regular media is now, Like it's
Speaker 1: so leaning in certain ways and it's hot take culture,
Speaker 1: and like if you follow sports center on on Twitter,
Speaker 1: on Instagram or whatever, like it's always something like everything
Speaker 1: that happened in sports wise, and you're gonna give it
Speaker 1: to Jake Paul who raped a bunch of fights? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding? That's because I mean, look, I'm as a
Speaker 1: former ESPN employee here, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: keep from ESPN. But it's the case that you know,
Speaker 1: the ESPN that you're talking about here is one in
Speaker 1: which they could fill a one hour show with pent
Speaker 1: of it could just be playing highlights that no one
Speaker 1: had seen before. And now everyone has seen every highlight already.
Speaker 1: So you gotta find something else to talk about him.
Speaker 1: And that's the basic change. And so they're scrambling to
Speaker 1: create storylines and find other things, other takes, and so
Speaker 1: you end up, yeah, you end up with the Jake
Speaker 1: Paul stuff. Jana has brought a championship to Milwaukee, and
Speaker 1: the about that whatether you like it or not? This
Speaker 1: was Jake Paul's yere Okay, So what's the rational for
Speaker 1: for for making a Jake. Paul's here that he dedicated
Speaker 1: himself to boxing, he became a legit boxer, and I
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah, I don't see it. Maybe the same
Speaker 1: aspect of like how you know media covers pop culture
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, if people are paying attention to this,
Speaker 1: it must be valid. Like he hacked that assumption and
Speaker 1: is just rising and rising. But like the the thing
Speaker 1: he's doing in boxing, he's fighting smaller people, like there's
Speaker 1: a reason that there's weight classes in boxing, and there's
Speaker 1: also you know, I think there's obvious racial undertone that
Speaker 1: ESPN doesn't like mention in this, like where he's fighting
Speaker 1: you know, black men, and you know they're like, doesn't
Speaker 1: mention it, but does mention it kind of, And then
Speaker 1: they like throwing the detail that he's not fighting boxers,
Speaker 1: like it makes what he's doing more exciting instead of
Speaker 1: like a fucking road show. They're like, uh, all right,
Speaker 1: let me just read from the article. This has been
Speaker 1: a year of silencing naysayers for Paul, who is still
Speaker 1: only twenty four years old. Many still exist, and Paul
Speaker 1: has still yet to fight anyone with real pro boxing experience.
Speaker 1: But Paul's massive right hand with an exclamation point on
Speaker 1: a remarkable or put an exclamation point on a remarkable stretch.
Speaker 1: Over the past twelve months, he's won three times with
Speaker 1: two knockouts, and perhaps most importantly, Amba is one of
Speaker 1: the most bank bull pay per view stars in combat sports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, is there is there any evidence that this
Speaker 1: is actually increasing interest in boxing? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't haven't followed boxing throughout my life very much,
Speaker 1: but I feel like the story of boxing, and since
Speaker 1: the seventies or eighties has been basically since Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: has been this notion of oh so and so it's
Speaker 1: gonna bring boxing back and the interest is going to grow,
Speaker 1: and it just never happens. It seems to be fleeting
Speaker 1: interest in one particular person because they're you know, they
Speaker 1: have an interesting storyline, and then it doesn't ripple out
Speaker 1: from there. Is Jake Box, is Jake Paul leading to
Speaker 1: a resurgence and interest in boxing. Not for me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna opening on damn sixty dollars to watch that because
Speaker 1: I knew what was gonna happen. I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: was gonna happen, and I'm try of watching him not
Speaker 1: fight people who are actually fighters, right. I I'd love
Speaker 1: for Deonte Wilder to get his to get his get
Speaker 1: back with Jake Pole, like because he's been you know,
Speaker 1: he's been getting beat by Tyson Fury. I will say
Speaker 1: this has been the year of white man beating dudes
Speaker 1: and fights, and we're taking els this year between Mark
Speaker 1: Keith Morris and yokich Uh Jack Paul winning, Tyson Fear
Speaker 1: beating up on Deontay Wilder. I think we need Did
Speaker 1: Yogis win that fight or was that just like I
Speaker 1: think he wanted in the in the court of public opinion,
Speaker 1: in the narrative, he wanted because people wanted him to
Speaker 1: because and you know, and and and Jody, you might
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this. I don't
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Pat Beverley, Joey I think
Speaker 1: I like, you know, are you listen to my podcast?
Speaker 1: You're I'm a huge Beverly fan, but I but I
Speaker 1: also came from face like Beverly, where I'm like when
Speaker 1: Beverly push Chris Paul in the back ugly move, but
Speaker 1: he just pushed him with two of his hands. What
Speaker 1: Yokis did to a much smaller human being was egregious
Speaker 1: and and it's it's overstepped, but everybody praised him like
Speaker 1: he had just taken down something like. It was like
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the o J Verdie You think
Speaker 1: the only person to draw this connection ever. Maybe so
Speaker 1: I think I draw the o J Verdic connects to everything,
Speaker 1: and that's true. The people don't want to get this vaccine.
Speaker 1: It's reminding the old j The Yogis thing was so
Speaker 1: interesting because it was like so violent on his part.
Speaker 1: And then yeah again again it's underestimating the importance of
Speaker 1: a size difference. And when it comes to like an
Speaker 1: act of violence. They were calling for Pat Beverley's head
Speaker 1: when six ft one Pat Beverley pushed six ft tall
Speaker 1: Chris Paul like in the back. They were saying he
Speaker 1: could have broke his neck, he could have killed him.
Speaker 1: Pat Beverley needs to be kicked out of the league.
Speaker 1: This is disgusting and I'm like, calm down. And then
Speaker 1: when Yokers did that, which is like he tackled like
Speaker 1: he blinds I tackled him. But people understood it in
Speaker 1: the context for what it was. They know that Morris
Speaker 1: has been kind of asking for this for a long time,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And you don't agree with that, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in terms of how the narrative plays,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think the NBA is small enough
Speaker 1: and everyone knows sort of the narratives and the personalities
Speaker 1: and the beefs and how they've built up over the
Speaker 1: years that people tend to like take that into account
Speaker 1: when there's incidents like this. I mean, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the sort of it's this sort of soap opera
Speaker 1: that everyone kind of understands all the little things that
Speaker 1: go into a particular moment. I also think that player,
Speaker 1: I think it's a likability thing too. I think players
Speaker 1: that people like are gonna get get off scott free
Speaker 1: when they do as whole ship and players. Nobody likes
Speaker 1: Pat Beverley. I'm the only Plat Beverley fan, me and
Speaker 1: his family. And the fact that the Yoki's brothers had
Speaker 1: their little moment and the sun was the best part.
Speaker 1: They should be the honestly, they should be the the
Speaker 1: athletes of the year. Twice you want to talk and
Speaker 1: you are see And that's why Jake Paul wanted because
Speaker 1: it takes like that. Yeah, So basically, I mean this
Speaker 1: is he started as a sort of YouTube side show,
Speaker 1: got people's attention, and then because he has so much
Speaker 1: attention now, ESPN feels like they have to take him
Speaker 1: seriously and they're doing it in in a way that like
Speaker 1: is kind of approving, which I think is just generally
Speaker 1: I don't know like it. Yes, he seems to see
Speaker 1: the matrix in terms of like what works to build
Speaker 1: fame and success in America, So did Donald Trump. We
Speaker 1: don't have to act like that's like a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if if I find it very frustrating,
Speaker 1: but is there? But isn't Is this part of the
Speaker 1: storyline also that he does seem to have put in
Speaker 1: some real work and does seem to have some capacity
Speaker 1: for boxing, right, I mean maybe he hasn't proven it
Speaker 1: against real boxers, but I think he maybe set the
Speaker 1: bar set expectations so low into is this a serious
Speaker 1: person who can dedicate himself to something real that he
Speaker 1: seems to have cleared it just by becoming a clear Yeah,
Speaker 1: and clearing a very low bar got him the American
Speaker 1: one named the person instead of Janice who went from
Speaker 1: selling socks on a boardwalk to uh, you know, being
Speaker 1: the NBA champion. Honest, I never dipped oreos in milk.
Speaker 1: Come on, incre Flagran. Once they were talking about how
Speaker 1: he like, wasn't it a young kid? He was like
Speaker 1: some kid told him about it at moment, and then
Speaker 1: and then and then the best part of his quote
Speaker 1: was he's like walking around to People'll be like, why
Speaker 1: didn't no one tell me about this before? What's up? Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell I've been eating orioles driving? Like no
Speaker 1: one ever told me? Yeah, yeah, you're honest, Just like
Speaker 1: we need to hold tight to the things we can
Speaker 1: feel genuinely good about. And I feel like you honest
Speaker 1: and and and that Bucks win. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: don't spoil it for me, but I felt I just
Speaker 1: felt unabashedly good about all that. And I'm not let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, no, I I really I really
Speaker 1: felt great about it too. For a couple of reasons. One,
Speaker 1: the Sons and their fans turned extremely villainous over that
Speaker 1: over the course of the playoffs. From there, from the
Speaker 1: stupid ass fighting Denver the Sons and four Guy did,
Speaker 1: I never liked them, never liked the praise that he got.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like how the Yoki's brother gets
Speaker 1: praised for some reason on the internet. People on the internet,
Speaker 1: people love to call out assholes but also praise assholes.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't think, man, these assholes
Speaker 1: are are are heroes, but then let another person be
Speaker 1: an asshole and they're like, nah, you gotta go wait
Speaker 1: a second. So, but I I really wanted that that
Speaker 1: Bucks team. Everybody on that team, it felt like it
Speaker 1: was such a second chance team, like Bobby Porters showing
Speaker 1: out the way he did it was. It was so
Speaker 1: feel good and fun, and everybody on the team is cool.
Speaker 1: You love p J. Tucker. He's a second chance guy
Speaker 1: who got the great shoe collection and just overall cool dude,
Speaker 1: like it was. It was. That was such a fun
Speaker 1: win and it was dope to see like Chris Paul
Speaker 1: and not get a ring. And uh and I love
Speaker 1: Chris Paul. I did love him. That's a scorned that.
Speaker 1: I'm a scorned lover of Chris Paul. But then once
Speaker 1: he flopped when Pat Beverley pushed him like that, I
Speaker 1: was done. I was done. I was like, you're about
Speaker 1: to rule, You're about to ruin Pat Beverley's career for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was very happy for that Bucks,
Speaker 1: so you can revelent that we can all revel in
Speaker 1: the Bucks win that should have been the sports moment
Speaker 1: of the year. And fucking Jake Paul. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about master Class, I do, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know we spent a lot of time on sports
Speaker 1: and basketball. But so two point five two point seven
Speaker 1: five billion dollars is the is the valuation of this product.
Speaker 1: That is, it's like presents itself as an online learning
Speaker 1: platform in which you pay a subscription fee in order
Speaker 1: to access tutorials from Martin Scorsese Orton Ramsey. So you
Speaker 1: got Martin Scorsese teaches filmmaking, Gordon Ramsey teaches cooking, or
Speaker 1: Bill Night teaches science, which teach science. Boo boo boo
Speaker 1: boo does a he has a TV show that does that, right,
Speaker 1: that doesn't cost you eighty dollars a year to what
Speaker 1: it's just name teaches and then whatever the simplest now
Speaker 1: describes their profession is science guy, so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: teacher science. Carl Sart teachers, how to do a daily
Speaker 1: podcast on one minute notice, How to replace the long
Speaker 1: running host of a beloved Daily podcast. That's what I
Speaker 1: take him down. It's funny though, because like some of
Speaker 1: the stuff is who was it. It's like a successful
Speaker 1: author who was teaching like how to how to write
Speaker 1: and like be a successful author, but it was it
Speaker 1: was David Sedaris. But like the stuff was about like
Speaker 1: how to deal with a publisher and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that's that's kind of jumping five steps.
Speaker 1: So yeah, fort of negotiate with your publisher. Can I
Speaker 1: just say one thing to trying to take half a
Speaker 1: step back here, which is I have a have a
Speaker 1: text message thread with my friend Ian in which we
Speaker 1: basically write all of the things that we're unwilling to
Speaker 1: put on Twitter or stay out loud in company and
Speaker 1: just sort of like it's our safe space like test
Speaker 1: out takes and and so forth. And I swear to
Speaker 1: god it a week ago I wrote him a note saying,
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but Masterclass seems like really scammy
Speaker 1: to me, and I want there to be just a
Speaker 1: big takedown of it. For some reason, it just gives
Speaker 1: me those deep, deep there enough vibes and you know,
Speaker 1: and to be fair, like we'll work through that. We'll
Speaker 1: work through this conversation. A lot of the research you've
Speaker 1: done maybe has has changed my thinking a little bit,
Speaker 1: but you know, I've I feel like a big part
Speaker 1: of my last especially five years or so, has been like,
Speaker 1: if you smell a scam, it's probably a scam, And
Speaker 1: like the people who seem dicey to you are probably
Speaker 1: sketchy and trust that. And and masterclass just gives me
Speaker 1: all of those vibes. So that's my starting point for this,
Speaker 1: for this conversation. Yeah, now I think that's my starting
Speaker 1: point and ending point. It's just it's the business models
Speaker 1: pretty clear. They dominate YouTube pre roll advertising, like basically
Speaker 1: on any video where you're trying to learn how to
Speaker 1: do something for free, and you know they use the
Speaker 1: celebrity name to kind of draw you in, but you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the celebrity teachers actually teach you
Speaker 1: as much as they like talk about themselves on camera
Speaker 1: well seated in a comfortable room for a few hours.
Speaker 1: It's like that five dollars or Dinner with jay Z
Speaker 1: conversation right right, you can buy a lot of jay
Speaker 1: Z albums the same thing he's gonna tell you. You go, like,
Speaker 1: I take the five Yeah, Bye Bye, decoded by a
Speaker 1: couple of his albums and You're You're Good. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: do wonder if people who take a mass the class
Speaker 1: really feel like they're trying they want to learn, or
Speaker 1: if it's really like this is a ted talk with
Speaker 1: a slightly different angle to it, you know, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's just spending some time
Speaker 1: with an interesting person. In hearing someone who you who like,
Speaker 1: who you like talk for a while. I'd be curious
Speaker 1: to see what the exit surveys are like. But yes,
Speaker 1: I mean to be clear, like to your point, like
Speaker 1: they do all seem to contain mostly just someone talking
Speaker 1: to their biography and telling compelling stories. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: the high production value. But it's got this, it's got
Speaker 1: this good hook, you know. Yeah, that seems like that's
Speaker 1: it a hook that doesn't really have a ton to
Speaker 1: do with what the product actually does, which I think
Speaker 1: is usually a sign that like something might be off.
Speaker 1: Like they have Chris Hadfield who's an astronaut and he's
Speaker 1: gonna like t shoot how to be an astronaut? I
Speaker 1: guess come all right, man, that's yeah, that's that's definitely scammy. Yes,
Speaker 1: your massive Class reminds me of the O J try uhhh,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm kidding. So it's a hundred eighty dollars
Speaker 1: for an annual subscription fee to get access to labratory content.
Speaker 1: If it basically if Bastert Class is basically saying to you,
Speaker 1: you get to watch interesting talks by some of the
Speaker 1: most interesting people in the world for hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 1: I don't that doesn't give off full scam vibes to me.
Speaker 1: But something about the like class thing, the teaching you thing,
Speaker 1: the like you know, um prosperity gospel thing that's sort
Speaker 1: of wrapped around all of this is where that starts.
Speaker 1: But they also seem to have a lot of subscribers.
Speaker 1: They are, as you said, valued at a ridiculous number.
Speaker 1: Um so who am I? Who am I to criticize? Yeah,
Speaker 1: listen here phyllis if and I'm saying it to everybody
Speaker 1: who's listening, and to yo, you want some prosperity teaching,
Speaker 1: you want some uplifting, you want some he go watch
Speaker 1: T D Jake's videos on YouTube for free. D J Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm I'm only kind of joking. I
Speaker 1: think if you're ever feeling down. Everybody everybody feels down.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you ever feeling down, go check out TV Jake's
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I mean there's more, but much better
Speaker 1: should available, just like find somebod's good at curating YouTube
Speaker 1: videos like Carl Tart Oh man, I'm a YouTube king.
Speaker 1: People are also pointing out that Master Class has a
Speaker 1: diversity problem. Three quarters of the instructors are men are white,
Speaker 1: so it's like a very specific point of view. And
Speaker 1: then you know, they had to pull Kevin Spacey's class
Speaker 1: was like one of the most popular for for a while.
Speaker 1: They had to pull that. Uh, and in they'll be
Speaker 1: adding new instructors like Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
Speaker 1: So not problematic at all. Wait to see what those
Speaker 1: two got to say together. All right, well, guys, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for both joining on this last full
Speaker 1: episode of Jody. Where can people find you and follow you?
Speaker 1: People can listen to The main thing I do is
Speaker 1: this the Utopia show. It's called This Day an Esoteric
Speaker 1: Political History. Um we a couple of times a week,
Speaker 1: a few times a week talked about an interesting moment
Speaker 1: from that day in political history and try and put
Speaker 1: it in context and learn some lessons for for now
Speaker 1: so people can find that wherever. And then, um, I'm
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Even though I log out every single day,
Speaker 1: I do tend to log back in at Jody Afragan
Speaker 1: and people can find my work there. You ever delete
Speaker 1: the app like just oh, I've deleted the app. I'm
Speaker 1: just logging it on the browser now, got it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do that with Fantasy quite a bit, like when
Speaker 1: things aren't going well, just delete, delete the entire app,
Speaker 1: and then I add it back like fifteen minutes later
Speaker 1: when I want to catch catch the score. Is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some other work of social media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? You know, I will say as seriously as
Speaker 1: I'm taking COVID. And as these jokes, there was a
Speaker 1: round of jokes when it first came. I still get
Speaker 1: a kick out of every Amarian joke that that gets
Speaker 1: posted on Twitter. And there was a video from one
Speaker 1: of his from one of his music videos that shows
Speaker 1: him like dancing and then passing the dance along to
Speaker 1: the other dancers, and it was like, this is how,
Speaker 1: this is how the omicron is sparting, how the AMA
Speaker 1: virus is spreading, and I I do continue to get
Speaker 1: a kick out of all those jokes. Yeah, yeah, Carl Tart,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining as well. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Where where can people find you? Follow you? Watch you
Speaker 1: on national television. You can watch me on on Tuesday
Speaker 1: nights at a p m. O. NBC. The show is
Speaker 1: called Grand Crew. It's also on Hulu and Peacock if
Speaker 1: you want to watch it there if you don't. If
Speaker 1: you don't, if you're sitting at home on Tuesday nights
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock, you can watch it there. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram ad dammit, Carl. I deleted my Twitter early,
Speaker 1: early in the pandemic. Yeah, man, I had to get
Speaker 1: rid of it before it was cool. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just it was just doing it, was doing too much
Speaker 1: on there, Like I think, I think that that app
Speaker 1: is a breeding ground of nonsense. Is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's one of says I saw this. If
Speaker 1: Jake Paul says, nigga, who gonna stock there? You go?
Speaker 1: I mean it would probably be good for his career.
Speaker 1: That was a tweet that I saw. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: still see tweets. Also, here's another tweet for you in
Speaker 1: case you want to cut that one out. My classmate
Speaker 1: was damn near in tears ranting about how much Kurko
Speaker 1: Bangs meant to him and how he wanted to include
Speaker 1: that at his documentary, and I was like, damn, drinking
Speaker 1: my cup really changing lives out of here, but he
Speaker 1: was talking about Kurt Kobang. Very funny. Yeah, uh tweet,
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying trash. Jones tweeted, well, well, well if
Speaker 1: it isn't my absolute breaking point, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was a good summary of how people are feeling. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can
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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link
Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Uh. Today,
Speaker 1: I am going to link YouTube Vashed and Bunyan's Train song,
Speaker 1: which is just this like haunting single from nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1: She was like Colombia's next big like folk singer artist
Speaker 1: dropped her debut album and it sold so few records
Speaker 1: that she immediately quit music, and then like it got
Speaker 1: a cult following. She made like a little mini Sugarman
Speaker 1: like resurgence in two thousand, released some new songs and albums.
Speaker 1: But it's the the I only know it because it's
Speaker 1: the theme to season one of that Amazon Prime show Patriot,
Speaker 1: which you know, just in Jennal, we talk in our
Speaker 1: year end episodes about just all the weird ass ways
Speaker 1: we discover music. Now, you know, for the Night was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs this year. I first heard
Speaker 1: it when Janice was singing it during the championship celebration
Speaker 1: to his brother. Anyways, that's a good song though it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a class seck. Everything we need
Speaker 1: to know about how Jack is ending the year is
Speaker 1: that he's recommending trade song is the last thing exactly.
Speaker 1: Just anytime you want to picture me, just play that song,
Speaker 1: picture me staling, staring off into the middle distance. All right.
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