Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, am welcome to Season to twelve. Episode
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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. It is Season to twelve where the players
Speaker 1: dwell and this is a podcast where you take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's share consciousness. It's Monday, November twenty,
Speaker 1: which is of course National Cranberry Relish Daybody getting ready
Speaker 1: for the Thanksgiving? Does cranberry relish like tie in just
Speaker 1: like cran sauce? Cranberry? You know, I don't know. I'm guessing,
Speaker 1: but I wish I cared enough. I don't like cranberry sauce,
Speaker 1: Like it's one of the things I don't mess with
Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving. So I have very low, not much interest.
Speaker 1: But I'm guessing it's like the fancy kind that's not
Speaker 1: in the can because the camp feels like jelly. But
Speaker 1: then when you're like cooking yourself with cranberries and you've
Speaker 1: got like some real cranberry fruit meat in there, then
Speaker 1: then you're in relish town. Yeah, yeah, I relish a
Speaker 1: good blog of cranberry gel used to love that ship.
Speaker 1: Just put it on a Deli slicer's window pane. Fin Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: my name is Jack O'Brien, a K, Hey, I just
Speaker 1: met you. This might seem shady, but here's my podcast.
Speaker 1: Come guessed It? Maybe it makes me tired. We dropped
Speaker 1: twice daily, but here's my podcast. Come guess It. Maybe
Speaker 1: that is courtesy Johnny Davis. I don't know how he
Speaker 1: found out how I reach out to every one of
Speaker 1: our guests, but that is in fact, I just reach
Speaker 1: out to them and send them a voice memo one
Speaker 1: of a few times I use a voice mamo. Just anyways.
Speaker 1: I also don't know why it seems shady task somebody
Speaker 1: to be on a podcast, but these days, am I right? Anyways?
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles Gray's Miles Grade. Don't have much of an
Speaker 1: AK except for the traditional one, which is it's North
Speaker 1: Hollywood's very little black and knees experimental visual artists. You
Speaker 1: know me as your boy Kausama, Thank you well, Miles Worth.
Speaker 1: Thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a
Speaker 1: very funny comedian and reporter who, as a lifestyle journalist,
Speaker 1: flew across the country to be snubbed by Kim Kardashian
Speaker 1: and locked herself inside the Mall of America. But these
Speaker 1: days her beat is Disney and Everything theme park, and
Speaker 1: her writing has appeared in Vanity, Fair, GQ, wire Cutter, Bloomberg,
Speaker 1: GLAMOURU Time, just all the all the ones. Her podcast,
Speaker 1: Very Amusing about theme Parks is super fun. Please welcome
Speaker 1: the brilliant and talented Carle Wise. Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to be here. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: Where were you're We're on Earth? Are you coming to
Speaker 1: us from currently West Hollywood? I thought you're gonna be
Speaker 1: inside like the Magic Castle or whatever. I mean. I
Speaker 1: was inside the Star Wars Hotel about four days ago.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh it was interesting. We got a very
Speaker 1: early preview of it. But I've never been so excited
Speaker 1: to not see the sun right right right. I just
Speaker 1: want to be all in there for a day and
Speaker 1: a half straight, just soaking it up. Oh man, why
Speaker 1: do you not see the sun? And by the way,
Speaker 1: this does tie back to the co written house thing
Speaker 1: because we are saying, na see, but why do you
Speaker 1: not see the sun while you are in the Star
Speaker 1: Wars Hotel? Because every window looks out onto space. Yeah
Speaker 1: what it's a projection? Yeah, so like, yeah, it opens
Speaker 1: much first, and we got to see the cabins or
Speaker 1: like you know, each hotel room, which I was very
Speaker 1: excited to see in real life, and the window. It
Speaker 1: is truly like just out into space, and it changes
Speaker 1: throughout the day and then at night you push a
Speaker 1: button and a little cover goes up like you're really
Speaker 1: on a ship and you can sleep on a top bunk.
Speaker 1: I'm very good about It's cool. That's like as we
Speaker 1: were talking about regressing the other day and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I can do right now, is
Speaker 1: like I want to put on a costume and pretend
Speaker 1: I'm a space worker for however expensive those rooms are
Speaker 1: at the moment, but I'll save my money to do it. Right.
Speaker 1: Is the experience they're replicating the experience of being on
Speaker 1: the Death Star? What do we what are we looking
Speaker 1: at here? So? Actually yes and no. So the official
Speaker 1: experience is called Star Wars Galactic Star Cruiser. It's a
Speaker 1: tonight mix of hotel stay, immersive theater, interactive gameplay, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And there's a narrative throughout the journey or your hotel stay,
Speaker 1: and at the end there's a finale that involves the
Speaker 1: first order. So anything could happen, but there is. I
Speaker 1: did spend part of it in the gameplay training at
Speaker 1: the bridge and I got to attack some tie fighters,
Speaker 1: which was very fun. That's cool. Yeah, alright, well we're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Just the coolest beat that someone could have. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit more about that. But
Speaker 1: first a few of the things we're talking about. America
Speaker 1: is still a white supremacist violent shitscape, which we learned
Speaker 1: on Friday morning. Remind relearned, reminded Friday morning. We'll look
Speaker 1: at where we're at with the defund the police movement
Speaker 1: and just what the alternatives are to be that. We
Speaker 1: will talk about a new theme park, the Carly. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing you will not be going to and like getting
Speaker 1: an early look at, but I could I could be
Speaker 1: wrong about that. It's called the Rig. Oh wait till
Speaker 1: you hear all about it. It's in Saudi Arabia. It's
Speaker 1: part of Saudi Arabia's rebranding effort, which is fun. Before
Speaker 1: we get to any of that, ship, Carly, we do
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 1: search history so related? All of it was Star Wars
Speaker 1: terms that I was spell checking, except for who is
Speaker 1: that defense attorney on SVU. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: thought Google would know which one I was talking about,
Speaker 1: But I have been. I mean, I've been mainlining Law
Speaker 1: and Order SVU for the past two issued weeks, to
Speaker 1: the point where I will watch anywhere between four and
Speaker 1: ten episodes a day. I can't get enough. I know,
Speaker 1: I'd never really seen it. I thought I didn't like violence.
Speaker 1: Apparently I do only when Mariska Harget is there. It's
Speaker 1: basically like my my new personality, hobby and job all
Speaker 1: in one. Yeah. So are you're late to the SVU part?
Speaker 1: I feel like SVU is Have you always been messing
Speaker 1: with sv You know, I'm literally five hundred episodes late.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Wow, Yeah, because I feel
Speaker 1: like that. It's interesting to hear people like I'm just
Speaker 1: getting into SVU where most people like, Man, I'll like,
Speaker 1: SVU has been my number one forever that I don't
Speaker 1: talk about. But you know, I think part of it
Speaker 1: might be because lately, when you binge watched a show,
Speaker 1: if they dumped the whole thing at once, you know,
Speaker 1: you spend a Saturday night and then it's over this
Speaker 1: never it it's bodyless, and I just keep going and
Speaker 1: going and going, and I'm I'm still like seasons away.
Speaker 1: It's still in the modern era of it where it's
Speaker 1: just I can't I can't stop consuming it. Have you
Speaker 1: been to the immersive SVU experience at six Flags? I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know if that's a joke or not, if
Speaker 1: it's real party through right, actually like a scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to go in their office, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like an installation. You'd have it like a
Speaker 1: Halloween Horror Nights or something where it's like, oh, do
Speaker 1: a crime scene with the people that VU or like
Speaker 1: C s I or some ship like that. But I
Speaker 1: guess not. Oh I wish, Oh how I wish. I
Speaker 1: also love though two. I mean I've I've watched it
Speaker 1: here and there, but never you know, to the point
Speaker 1: where you know they're definitely fans of the show. But
Speaker 1: I also like the idea of you know, when you
Speaker 1: get into it and you're like, I like this show
Speaker 1: and you're like, there's only three seasons, whereas you're looking
Speaker 1: at your like there's hundreds of episodes that I've yet
Speaker 1: to even begun to experience. So let this long. May
Speaker 1: it last for you? Thank you. I know there's definitely
Speaker 1: some deep seated psychological reason where I'm like, it'll never
Speaker 1: run out, it will never abandon me like my other
Speaker 1: favorite shows. But at least for now, I just love
Speaker 1: it because in every episode there's about thirty seconds where
Speaker 1: they reference being actual people that exist in New York City.
Speaker 1: Well they'll like get a coffee at a coffee cart,
Speaker 1: or they'll be like, come on, we'll go make dinner.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm just living for that, Like the
Speaker 1: moments in my brain that I can piece together to
Speaker 1: make a sort of SPU sitcom. I think that's really
Speaker 1: d with the joy lines, like that's the best, the
Speaker 1: best part of the show. Yeah, yeah, I have some
Speaker 1: SPU slash fix that I can send your way. It's
Speaker 1: but it's all just about them living very boring, ordinary
Speaker 1: lives and between the crimes, it's like they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like roommates. They have a lot. They could be
Speaker 1: talking about the most interesting stuff when they get home,
Speaker 1: like what happened at work today, and there's like nothing,
Speaker 1: like you want to watch Lost or something. They're like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: it's called fu days off, just their days off going
Speaker 1: to the met They're like, actually, if you treat New
Speaker 1: York like you're a tourist in your own town, that's
Speaker 1: really nice. We should try that. Hellal guy's car. What
Speaker 1: what something you think is overrated? Okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's technically counts, but only having trees in your
Speaker 1: house during Christmas? So as as a Jewish person, I
Speaker 1: did not know until our year twenties twenty that you
Speaker 1: have to keep them in water to keep them alive.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize there was this whole gambit happening where
Speaker 1: you take a tree and it's slowly dying, and then
Speaker 1: you put it in your house. And I kind of
Speaker 1: want I want to be in this. I want a
Speaker 1: fresh tree in my home. And it's only appropriate during
Speaker 1: Christmas time? Why not you around? Yeah? Multiple Like, if
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to buy flowers, why can't I buy a
Speaker 1: tree in March? Just to make things feel more outdoorsy? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, it's I love a Christmas tree
Speaker 1: and I've always been. I only recently switched to the
Speaker 1: fake ones to reuse every year because I am also
Speaker 1: like a big like symmetry shape kind of fanatic. So
Speaker 1: when I go to the tree lot and I'm like,
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars for this lopsided miss if you're and
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, this one is the same height
Speaker 1: just because it looks better, it's fifty dollars more. This
Speaker 1: is nonsense. But I've moved to the fake tree version.
Speaker 1: But there's something about having the real life tree that
Speaker 1: it's there's like there are set sickles and things you
Speaker 1: can hang off a fake tree to make it sort
Speaker 1: of smell like you have the real thing, but having
Speaker 1: the real thing is definitely uh, it's a journey. But
Speaker 1: also like the when the needles start coming off and
Speaker 1: then you're like, I got this old dead tree, I
Speaker 1: gotta do it. There's I don't know, I'm I'm all
Speaker 1: over the place with trees, but I love the idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and by the by the end of the holiday season,
Speaker 1: I've yet to figure out. I think I did, like
Speaker 1: have something I did wrong last year that if I
Speaker 1: was a better host, I would remember and tell people
Speaker 1: to avoid doing that this year. But like it basically
Speaker 1: I sealed off the bottom of the tree, so even
Speaker 1: though it was in water, it just immediately became like
Speaker 1: the most brittle thing in the world. And you know,
Speaker 1: a like I probably would have been fined by the
Speaker 1: the l A Fire Department if they had like known
Speaker 1: how dry the tree was that we were keeping in
Speaker 1: our house. The one time we tried to do the
Speaker 1: fake tree, the smell sickles, the scent sickles weren't great.
Speaker 1: Have they improved that? I mean, Anna has she she
Speaker 1: has like a fake tree she uses so she she
Speaker 1: got me using them and they're fine, right, like okay,
Speaker 1: but you know what it is, nothing compares to the
Speaker 1: A scent sickle is like a little thing you can
Speaker 1: hang off your fake tree. That's like an odor that's
Speaker 1: like a fucking tree freshener. Basically, it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just emitting this scent of real pine tree for
Speaker 1: your fake for the fake tree havers out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: is everyone bad at marketing? Like why isn't there a
Speaker 1: cheerry blossom seasoned version of this? Why why can't I
Speaker 1: have a tree in my house? Yeah? Yeah? Oh, actually right,
Speaker 1: because you you're saying you would even just love just
Speaker 1: ambiently that smell of nature just rushing through the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's apparently like only appropriate if you celebrate a
Speaker 1: certain holiday. Yeah, okay, right, see, let's bring yes, let's
Speaker 1: bring the trees back into the home. Yeah please? Now,
Speaker 1: does anybody like put keep the tree alive like the
Speaker 1: Christmas tree? I guess it would have to be like
Speaker 1: a small Christmas tree, right to like have have it
Speaker 1: potted essentially? Yeah, I mean without roots. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, as I found out as a kid, water
Speaker 1: in it and then it's just like no, sorry, it's
Speaker 1: not going to live for that long. Yeah. What is
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated? I feel very strongly about this,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why lately it's really risen up
Speaker 1: as a topic for me. But indoor pools. I love
Speaker 1: an indoor pool and everyone thinks they're gross, But do
Speaker 1: you know how nice it would be to just have
Speaker 1: one in the winter and have a pool party, or
Speaker 1: just be able to go down a slide in the
Speaker 1: middle of the workday without leaving your house. I love him,
Speaker 1: and I wish people built them more. I wish it
Speaker 1: was more of a normal thing you could go and do.
Speaker 1: I feel like in Florida and stuff, people have like
Speaker 1: it's normal there. I've seen that kind of but it's
Speaker 1: always I mean, weatherwise, it's almost always a healthscape in Florida,
Speaker 1: So you don't really get that, you know, a secret
Speaker 1: indoor winter swim people do. I mean, weren't we when
Speaker 1: we stayed in Atlanta, Jack, like a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there an indoor pool at that hotel we were at? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a courtyard Marriott with the courtyard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like the centerpiece of the hotel was an
Speaker 1: indoor pool. It's weird that you say, like people think
Speaker 1: it's gross, because I'm like, yeah, maybe, but I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's I think it's just like
Speaker 1: when you're in there, you just smell all the chlorine inside,
Speaker 1: and then you just feel like you're in like a
Speaker 1: like a Y M C A or something. But no, no,
Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's necessarily dirty. I mean, it's the same chemicals
Speaker 1: in there that just that there's no open air. So
Speaker 1: I guess that's what gets me. It's just a very
Speaker 1: specific smell that I associate with old men's balls because
Speaker 1: that's typically what I had just seen anytime i've smelled it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just that like when when you go from the locker
Speaker 1: room which has very specific like scent to you open
Speaker 1: the door and like all that hot pool air hits
Speaker 1: you in the face. That is Yeah, that is locked
Speaker 1: in to the deepest parts of my brain. I do.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I love an indoor pool. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I don't know how feasible they are
Speaker 1: in homes, but I do love a hotel with an
Speaker 1: indoor pool. Like there was a community center at the
Speaker 1: University of Missouri when my wife and I lived there
Speaker 1: that had like just a wild like indoor pool complex
Speaker 1: that I would just go hang out at, like I
Speaker 1: was like a kid at a water park, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was in Japan, in Tokyo they have used to
Speaker 1: have it. I think it was called Wild Blue and
Speaker 1: it was an indoor water park with a wave pool
Speaker 1: and ship, which is wild because like in the summer,
Speaker 1: Japan gets like plenty hot that you don't need to
Speaker 1: indoor if I fucking ship. But this was like one
Speaker 1: of those again, it was so big. It's still also
Speaker 1: just had that that distinct smell of chlorine emanating throughout. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, I'm back on board with
Speaker 1: indoor everything. Thanks you. I mean, we have tons of
Speaker 1: indoor water parks in America, which I go to a lot,
Speaker 1: which I get some grief for. Oh there. Well, for
Speaker 1: my birthday, I went to New York and I went
Speaker 1: to the dream Works water Park, which is an American
Speaker 1: dream that formerly known as Zanna Do. If anybody is
Speaker 1: of my age, it's this mall that was just kind
Speaker 1: of cursed forever and now it's actually open and they
Speaker 1: have this huge, this huge Shrek balloon in the middle
Speaker 1: and Shrek themed water slides, and yeah, I do a
Speaker 1: month long podcast dedication to Shrek called Shrek Szember because
Speaker 1: he is arguably Jewish and we need more Jewish characters
Speaker 1: in the theme park. So I'm I'm going all in
Speaker 1: on Shrek, celebrating Hanukahn, praying for it. Yes, because Shrek
Speaker 1: is a Yiddish word, and it's it's based on a
Speaker 1: book by this guy, William Stagg, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: an allegory for like Jews, and I believe the eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds his parents are immigrants. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: evidence that this dude should be lighting a menora, and
Speaker 1: yet he does it, so for research quote unquote, I
Speaker 1: went to the indoor Shrek water park and had a
Speaker 1: last it was great. Okay, wow, yeah, what's the best
Speaker 1: indoor water park in America? That like as as the
Speaker 1: expert on the subject. So it's less the specific water park,
Speaker 1: it's more a city. I would go to Wisconsin Dells,
Speaker 1: which is my favorite place on the planet save for
Speaker 1: Tokyo probably, and it is essentially Vegas for children. And
Speaker 1: there are maybe half a dozen hotels there that have
Speaker 1: indoor water parks. There's one called Wilderness which has multiple
Speaker 1: They have swim up bars that you know, wintertime in
Speaker 1: Wisconsin it is cold, and so you can swim up
Speaker 1: to a bar and have a drink. And then they
Speaker 1: have a hot tub where you can go indoor outdoor,
Speaker 1: so you can go outside for a second and come
Speaker 1: back in just like a doggie door, but for humans
Speaker 1: while in water. And they have a ton of slides.
Speaker 1: There's also a place called calla harri Uh. It's just
Speaker 1: it's endless. If you want to go on a water
Speaker 1: slide in winter, Wisconsin Dolls is the spot I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize, Like, yeah, when you search it, it's like
Speaker 1: the whole map like lights up with water Park. Clearly
Speaker 1: that's where I spent my formative years. Wow, you so
Speaker 1: you grew up in Wisconsin. I grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 1: But when you're landlocked instead of you know, flying to
Speaker 1: a coast, it's like, let's drive two hours to this
Speaker 1: weird children's paradise, right right, right, that sounds awesome. Super
Speaker 1: producer Justin also from Chicago, has several memories from the
Speaker 1: Dell's Great Wolf Lodge memories. But that that's interesting. I
Speaker 1: want like, do you think growing up within driving distance
Speaker 1: of a place like that kind of sent you down
Speaker 1: this path of being a theme park enthusiast nay journalist.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I got my start reporting on theme
Speaker 1: parks when I went So I went to Disney World
Speaker 1: from my batchel the Red Party, which was about seven
Speaker 1: years ago. And the reason I went to disney World
Speaker 1: was because I decided there wasn't enough to do in
Speaker 1: Wisconsin in February. So because I love Wisconsin Dells so much,
Speaker 1: that's the only reason I wound up at disney World.
Speaker 1: And now this is my whole life is reporting on
Speaker 1: Disney So I think the seeds were always there. I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, I just like to have a good time.
Speaker 1: I like to be entertained. I like to eat really
Speaker 1: shitty nachos, like I just want cheese, sauce and water
Speaker 1: slides and to run around until I'm exhausted. And there
Speaker 1: are a few places in the world that allow you
Speaker 1: to do that and wipe nacho cheese on your bathing
Speaker 1: because I'm about to just go on this side and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fucking gone by the time I'm at
Speaker 1: the bottom. All right, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we'll come back and I'll talk more about Wisconsin. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and we're back, uh, Like we set up top America
Speaker 1: still a white supremacist, violent shit escape. You know, we
Speaker 1: had a sense that Rittenhouse was going to be found
Speaker 1: not guilty, but it doesn't face on years of just
Speaker 1: observing the American legal system sadly, Yeah, but it didn't
Speaker 1: feel any less like a you know, sickening gut punch
Speaker 1: to hear them read not guilty five times as this
Speaker 1: little pig face Nazi youth sits there and like pretends
Speaker 1: to faint. But yeah, I mean, these are American values.
Speaker 1: Like if you needed any evidence that we should be
Speaker 1: fighting to teach critical race theory as hard as they're
Speaker 1: fighting against it. Like here you go, American police started
Speaker 1: as a slave patrol. But you don't need to see
Speaker 1: that they have roots in white supremist vigilante violence because
Speaker 1: we still allow what supremacist vigilantes to just like police
Speaker 1: and ultimately murder people in the interest of that ideology.
Speaker 1: So I mean, this is you know, this is a
Speaker 1: turning point for sure, because you're now we've legally essentially
Speaker 1: set a precedent that you can bring you can bring
Speaker 1: a weapon with you in a situation where you're there
Speaker 1: to like protect whatever but property properly, even if you
Speaker 1: cause a commotion by being armed. You are then now
Speaker 1: it's legal for you to defend yourself even though you've
Speaker 1: come with provocation in mind. And I think that's that's
Speaker 1: going to create a huge schilling factor for people when
Speaker 1: they want to go protests. And some people think that's
Speaker 1: something people will have to consider now when they're in
Speaker 1: the streets protesting, because now you have said, you know, legally, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you feel scared enough, then go ahead and start clapping,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you'll get off based on the
Speaker 1: complexion of your skin. And you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things we're seeing too. This is now sort of
Speaker 1: like more and more you're moving into that phase where
Speaker 1: the right wing violence is now sort of blending more
Speaker 1: and more with law enforcement and sort of not understanding
Speaker 1: where the lines are with who is going to enforce
Speaker 1: what anymore, because we're damnster seeing what the police will
Speaker 1: turn their head and look away from and allow to happen.
Speaker 1: But we're now like, fully, it seems like more and
Speaker 1: more we're going to be seeing this, you know, connect
Speaker 1: in between the police and and sort of outsourcing the
Speaker 1: violence to these other people now because it used to
Speaker 1: be the police that were sort of the ones on
Speaker 1: the front sort of brutalizing protesters, but vigilantes can now
Speaker 1: act as their agents. Yeah, he was pictured with a
Speaker 1: bunch of Nazis like given the thumbs up and celebrating
Speaker 1: in between, Like when he was leading up to trial.
Speaker 1: Black Rifle Coffee was like, we're not associated with him.
Speaker 1: Black Rifle Coffee, which is itself like a right wing
Speaker 1: gun coffee company, was like, hey, don't don't be ware
Speaker 1: and are we didn't give him any of that ship,
Speaker 1: don't don't don't mind us, But you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are pointing rightly, pointing to the contrast between
Speaker 1: how the police treat unarmed black children verus how they
Speaker 1: treated a armed with an assault rifle white kid who
Speaker 1: had just murdered two people. Another instructive comparison as the
Speaker 1: story of the Not Fucking Around Coalition, which is an
Speaker 1: armed group that is dedicated to protecting black lives from
Speaker 1: police brutality. Just the idea of arming black citizens, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, I have way more reason to need
Speaker 1: to be armed for like self defense and preservation of
Speaker 1: life than Kyle Rittenhouse, who was avowedly there to protect property.
Speaker 1: He was there to protect like looting or whatever the
Speaker 1: fucking inanimate objects. Yeah, whatever their fantasy is. But they,
Speaker 1: you know, since kind of coming together during the Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement, of the Not Fucking Around Coalition has
Speaker 1: been targeted as an extremist group. Their leader has been
Speaker 1: arrested and charged with pointing a gun at police, for
Speaker 1: which he faces three to twenty seven years in prison.
Speaker 1: He's currently not allowed to possess a gun or access
Speaker 1: social media while he awaits trial. Because these are American values.
Speaker 1: This isn't like, that's what's so enraging about this is
Speaker 1: That was the point. The point of the Kyle Writtenhouse
Speaker 1: trial was getting him to like be buddy buddy with
Speaker 1: the judge so everybody could see that, to see like, no,
Speaker 1: this is what we condone, and like this other thing
Speaker 1: is what we don't condone. The I mean more more
Speaker 1: than that, I think the verdict, you know, because I
Speaker 1: see a lot I mean on the right people like
Speaker 1: where where's black lives matter here? At these things white
Speaker 1: people that got killed by Kyle Rottenhouse, and like they're like,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. You don't understand that this person
Speaker 1: was there in service of white supremacy. And what this
Speaker 1: verdict is really saying, it's it's it's it's trying to
Speaker 1: erode solidarity. You know, because a lot of people began
Speaker 1: to understand, not that's not enough, but many people in
Speaker 1: this country said, you know what, yeah this is bad
Speaker 1: and I should actually stand, you know with these people
Speaker 1: who are oppressed and use my privilege as a way
Speaker 1: to maybe try and change things, maybe better things. And
Speaker 1: I would like to be an ally to this movement.
Speaker 1: But what this is showing you too, is it's showing
Speaker 1: that even white people who are considering ally ship that
Speaker 1: your whiteness will not protect you if you are standing
Speaker 1: in direct opposition to white supremacy, because at that point,
Speaker 1: you it's your Your life is just as disposable as
Speaker 1: a person of colors. And for many people looking at this,
Speaker 1: it's just it. I can only imagine what what kind
Speaker 1: of what the subtext or what how other people are
Speaker 1: reading into it. But from my perspective, it's clear to
Speaker 1: see that this is definitely made to also send a
Speaker 1: warning shot across people who are saying, you know what,
Speaker 1: if you're on that side, just so you know, it's
Speaker 1: the rules will be different, and you know, and and again,
Speaker 1: this legal system has done its job because, just like
Speaker 1: we said in that summer right, white supremacy is a
Speaker 1: living organism that has to survive no matter what. It
Speaker 1: finds ways to survive. It's not just simply saying like,
Speaker 1: all right, we've legislated against it, it's over. Because the
Speaker 1: second there's mass public action that is kind of showing
Speaker 1: up and brewing against it, it's going to find these
Speaker 1: ways to reinforce the message that these public actions are
Speaker 1: not powerful enough to topple this. Because inherent to all
Speaker 1: of this is a legal system that is meant to
Speaker 1: justify and rationalize all of this violence and using it's
Speaker 1: perceived impartiality as a legal system quote unquote to again
Speaker 1: say no, no, no, there's ways that we can make
Speaker 1: this work, especially if, like Kyle Rittenhouse, you're there in
Speaker 1: service of white supremacy or property rights or however somebody
Speaker 1: wants to spend. Yeah, And so, I mean this is
Speaker 1: especially frustrating because it seems like, you know, at the moment,
Speaker 1: the defund the police movement has been losing popularity. They
Speaker 1: lost a big battle in Minneapolis where they voted to
Speaker 1: keep the existing police force. And as we talked about
Speaker 1: last month, there's sort of a mainstream narrative that is
Speaker 1: tying the rise in violent crime and murder to police defunding,
Speaker 1: even though nobody actually defunded the police to a degree
Speaker 1: that they were like crippled. And what happened as police
Speaker 1: budgets got minor cuts from absurd heights, well they got
Speaker 1: three less bazookas, right, and you know that kept them
Speaker 1: from being armed like Navy seals to police their communities.
Speaker 1: And the main thing that happened was the police basically
Speaker 1: quit on their communities for daring to criticize them and
Speaker 1: I also think there's probably a breakdown in the public
Speaker 1: trust and police, as it's revealed that police are both
Speaker 1: you know, continuing to be armed, willing to use deadly force,
Speaker 1: and extremely bad at their job. So I I don't
Speaker 1: think that's helpful. But the solutions seemed to be defund
Speaker 1: the police, which was interpreted by the mainstream media as like, away, yeah,
Speaker 1: police gone forever and one one won't work anymore, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then double down on a system of militarized fuko
Speaker 1: boomerang police force that like is just basically occupying forces
Speaker 1: being in American cities and in neighborhoods that they don't
Speaker 1: live in, but that are in American cities and where
Speaker 1: they are willing to use deadly force. Like that's being
Speaker 1: treated as like, well, it's either no police or we
Speaker 1: keep doubling down on this fucking nightmare scenario. So I
Speaker 1: did just want to like take a second to like
Speaker 1: check in with what defunding the police could actually look
Speaker 1: like a lot of people are treating it like it's
Speaker 1: a branding thing, and I don't know, like that's I
Speaker 1: think frustrating. I mean, it's not that it's a branding thing,
Speaker 1: but people and Americans again, because of the amount of
Speaker 1: propaganda we consume throughout our lifetimes, we're we're we're just
Speaker 1: still so invested in these cruel systems, and we're at
Speaker 1: this point where we can acknowledge the cruelty of the systems,
Speaker 1: but not quite able to articulate the way past it
Speaker 1: or through it. You know, Like everyone goes, damn man, ship.
Speaker 1: This seems like even especially as it relates to that
Speaker 1: right now, to like labor, right, everyone's like, man, this
Speaker 1: is sucked up. Like people are just like, yeah, now
Speaker 1: that I think about it, this is fucked up. But
Speaker 1: we're sort of because there's so much other messaging that
Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, keep away, things like giving people
Speaker 1: the imagination on how to make something better for themselves,
Speaker 1: whether that's through collective bargaining or through withhold, you know,
Speaker 1: because they're now people organically with holding their labor. There's
Speaker 1: just there's a difficulty in articulating to say, yes, this
Speaker 1: is fucked up. The thing we need to do is X.
Speaker 1: We're just not there's not enough Americans who are able
Speaker 1: to get to that part. Many people are just at
Speaker 1: the part who are like, yes, this is fucked up.
Speaker 1: You're right this is sucked up. The police just I'm
Speaker 1: actually just realized, Yeah, it does seem like the police
Speaker 1: just go after people of color and they're not punished
Speaker 1: for it because we have things like qualified immunity. That's
Speaker 1: fucked up. Now what? And I think the first thing
Speaker 1: that people that was brought to the table in terms
Speaker 1: of like the vocabulary to use was defund the police,
Speaker 1: because that was more acknowledging the fact the injustice of
Speaker 1: what our law enforcement system is like that this cannot
Speaker 1: we cannot abide anymore. And because it was co opted
Speaker 1: to just mean the end of all public safety, that
Speaker 1: can immediately just put a chilling effect on things and
Speaker 1: people were unable to Again, we need to be able
Speaker 1: to pivot to yes, it's fucked up, and we need
Speaker 1: to move towards this. And if we're always stuck at
Speaker 1: things are fucked up, it's very hard to begin organizing
Speaker 1: around certain things. And and like you're saying, you have
Speaker 1: some people who are really talking about completely changing what
Speaker 1: it means to have like law enforcement and what public
Speaker 1: safety is and the people who can be involved or
Speaker 1: the specialties that we need for that. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like everything kind of keeps evolving in this
Speaker 1: way that it's it's just become very difficult to kind
Speaker 1: of escape or not escape, but to keep telling people
Speaker 1: that it's not merely just saying the end of your safety,
Speaker 1: that we have to actually there are other ways to
Speaker 1: keep people safe, and on paper, the cops aren't doing
Speaker 1: a good job. I think it has to be compounded
Speaker 1: by the fact too, that it lately it feels like
Speaker 1: every sphere of society is just fucked, just everything, especially
Speaker 1: that we are we're still in a pandemic. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it's ending anytime soon. I read something there's
Speaker 1: another strain coming, like we're just in this and you
Speaker 1: can't even count on someone to wear a mask, to
Speaker 1: try not to actively kill you, to get a vaccine
Speaker 1: for the better the community. It just seems like there's
Speaker 1: such a divide in in such a deep, deep way
Speaker 1: that it really is everything that needs to change requires teamwork,
Speaker 1: and there's so many people who just don't give a
Speaker 1: ship that it feels like at times, like an impossible
Speaker 1: mountain to climb. Yeah, And I think and that's by
Speaker 1: design to you know, like I think, to to help
Speaker 1: people feel so the sense of despair or like lack
Speaker 1: of control over anything can easily put just put people
Speaker 1: into this new thing about saying, well, the solution isn't
Speaker 1: gonna be how am I gonna work with other people?
Speaker 1: The solution is fucking get your house in order and
Speaker 1: figure out how you're gonna weather this without the help
Speaker 1: of anyone. Because I think that's the message that's reflected
Speaker 1: to people by society and the government at large. It's
Speaker 1: just like you're on your own mother. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's exactly like rather than you know,
Speaker 1: being like, well, if only these people would vote for
Speaker 1: like what is good for them, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of it ends, is like these
Speaker 1: people are idiots. Like I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: problems come from the fact that everybody in America's existing
Speaker 1: in a society where if you don't have enough money,
Speaker 1: you that will let you die. Like that's that's just
Speaker 1: like it's a cruel, cold, fucking world. And it's also
Speaker 1: you know, we're being stripped of our humanity by capitalism
Speaker 1: and by just like being you know, turned into values
Speaker 1: on a on a spreadsheet. And I think that's like
Speaker 1: been a long, slow process, and people are fucking beat
Speaker 1: down from it. So there's this Rice University article that
Speaker 1: kind of takes a look at where alternatives to policing
Speaker 1: should be focused on the first categories health, you know,
Speaker 1: like mental health and drug abuse resources. The vast majority
Speaker 1: of patrol police over in Seattle address multiple people in
Speaker 1: mental health crisis every month, Like that's that is the
Speaker 1: main thing. Like I I was dropping my kids off
Speaker 1: at school on Friday morning, drove past someone who's clearly
Speaker 1: in having a mental health crisis, and my only recourse
Speaker 1: like was to call nine one one basically, or like
Speaker 1: stop and do something about it myself, because I don't
Speaker 1: know what, like what are the mental health like authorities?
Speaker 1: And if I call nine one one for help, a
Speaker 1: person who is scared is gonna with a gun is
Speaker 1: going to show up. Like that's what the police have
Speaker 1: the ability to do, is like use a gun. So
Speaker 1: that's how they solve the problem. Yeah, And you know
Speaker 1: this is like everything that the police are there for. Again,
Speaker 1: they're there to clean up the failures of this capitalist
Speaker 1: system that we're in. We have mental health problems because
Speaker 1: we will not take care of people with mental health problems,
Speaker 1: will not take care of people who need interventions for
Speaker 1: their drug abuse or need to go into a treatment program.
Speaker 1: So we allow that to fester and it turns into
Speaker 1: someone on the street acting out and people go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't know this person is doing something.
Speaker 1: I gotta call the police to get them away from me.
Speaker 1: When really that's because we failed to take care of somebody.
Speaker 1: You look again, we talk about crimes of desperation, survival
Speaker 1: crime like theft in shoplifting and ship like that. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not because they're fucking Tony Soprano, because they
Speaker 1: just they just stole a bunch of en famil. That's
Speaker 1: not what the funk is going on. It's because people
Speaker 1: have been failed. People have we have failed to take
Speaker 1: care of each other. We have failed to create or
Speaker 1: provide sustenance or the materials needed to survive. So people
Speaker 1: are left to their own devices and have to go
Speaker 1: out and survive. And that's where the police come in
Speaker 1: because we've criminalized needing help. We've criminalized being vulnerable, we've
Speaker 1: criminalized being poor. And then but what we've created, but
Speaker 1: we've completely obscured this dynamic through this lens of law
Speaker 1: enforcement and the good guys and the bad guys in
Speaker 1: this binary that that's all it is, rather than no, no, no,
Speaker 1: This is most of us are being brutalized by the
Speaker 1: same people and for the same reasons because we're not
Speaker 1: getting what we need to survive. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: so one of the you know, examples that we've talked
Speaker 1: about before on this show, the Rice University article talks
Speaker 1: about is Cahoots, which is the Cornalie named Eugene, Oregon
Speaker 1: organization that started as just a thing to like help
Speaker 1: people who are having bad trips essentially, and has developed into,
Speaker 1: you know, a very continually useful alternative to the police
Speaker 1: that can come and help somebody who is having a
Speaker 1: mental health crisis. And a lot of times their job
Speaker 1: is to just be a person who can do whatever
Speaker 1: is required at the time. You don't need like special training.
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's so many fucking jobs that
Speaker 1: could be created by supplementing the police with people who
Speaker 1: don't fucking murder people, Like, like, how about how about
Speaker 1: we try that just create a police of people who
Speaker 1: actually live in the communities and are there to solve
Speaker 1: problems instead of like treat people like enemy cabatants, Right,
Speaker 1: And you know, there have been examples of this with
Speaker 1: people who are there to help with relationship crises domestic violence,
Speaker 1: which you know a lot of times people who are
Speaker 1: engaging in domestic violence, you know, move on to other
Speaker 1: violent crimes, but it certainly doesn't help that the thing
Speaker 1: they're met with when they first engaged with in domestic
Speaker 1: violence is somebody pointing a gun at them, and that's
Speaker 1: the only it's either like funneled towards prison or like
Speaker 1: figure it out yourself, you know, no mental health resources,
Speaker 1: not no relationship resources. And the other just community patrol
Speaker 1: in America has traditionally been fucking Kyle Rittenhouse and George
Speaker 1: Zimmerman and people like that, where you know, people armed
Speaker 1: white people who are racist thinking that they need to
Speaker 1: you know, just basically playing police officer, and like there's
Speaker 1: that needs to be supplemented with some you know, the
Speaker 1: Black Panthers were there to police the police, and they
Speaker 1: were treated like a violent, fucking extremist organization, which is
Speaker 1: all you need to know about the difference in how
Speaker 1: America approaches these things. But that's another option that is
Speaker 1: probably the least tested, but the one that absolutely needs
Speaker 1: to be pursued more than it has to this point. Yuh,
Speaker 1: just thinking about you know, like the whole thing that
Speaker 1: by America being so intentionally cruel, and that's sort of
Speaker 1: like the the sort of foundation that like life is
Speaker 1: built on and keeping people most people, you know, like
Speaker 1: in a place where they feel like, well, my only
Speaker 1: thing that I have is to survive because I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at it. I'm not looking at many things that
Speaker 1: will help me. Granted there are some, there are social
Speaker 1: safety nets out there, but in general, the messages if
Speaker 1: you don't like, if you don't have of, then you
Speaker 1: will continue to lack and then you will expire. And
Speaker 1: I think it puts people. It helps always keep people
Speaker 1: divided because of that, because if you're always acknowledging that
Speaker 1: you're in this survival situation, altruism doesn't make sense all
Speaker 1: the time because you're already accepting that you're in a
Speaker 1: you're in a situation where surviving is number one. And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, it's you know, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better metaphor, it's like looking like the squid Game
Speaker 1: Marbles episode where suddenly when it's time to survive, you'll
Speaker 1: do whatever the funk you have to do. That's just
Speaker 1: human nature. And and and it's such a elegant way
Speaker 1: to continue to keep people from being able to group together,
Speaker 1: to organize together, because we're too busy fucking dealing with
Speaker 1: the chaos of like the cruel reality that we're in
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, and I feel like the fact
Speaker 1: that there aren't all these jobs like there people recognize
Speaker 1: their community, these are fucked they recognize that, like there
Speaker 1: is work to be done there. The fact that those
Speaker 1: jobs aren't created yet, I feel like it's like a
Speaker 1: hangover from a previous time when people like weren't didn't
Speaker 1: give a funk about their communities. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like it just feels like this is a
Speaker 1: problem that could be addressed if people just act locally.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I don't know, there there are the people,
Speaker 1: there is the will to do things to help. I mean,
Speaker 1: most people were probably are probably better at I mean,
Speaker 1: I would say every person who lives in a neighborhood
Speaker 1: is will be better at policing their neighborhood than the
Speaker 1: fucking police. Yeah, where you live, you know who the
Speaker 1: fuck you literally, you know who's in your community. Say,
Speaker 1: oh that Britain, I don't worry about them, They're kind
Speaker 1: of going through it. Yeah, that's I know them. There
Speaker 1: there's more, there's more context to who this person is
Speaker 1: rather than a call saying someone is bacting belligerent and
Speaker 1: is you know, threatening people the shopping art or something,
Speaker 1: because like you're saying, we're people were not weren't the
Speaker 1: things aren't of our communities anymore? And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it just I just think of how much even like
Speaker 1: where I grew up, I knew so much about my neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I knew so much about people who I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw the same regular un housed people all the time,
Speaker 1: to the point where like I knew what the funk
Speaker 1: they were like im like, I knew what they were
Speaker 1: gonna ask me for, I knew what their whole rap was.
Speaker 1: And it's and you understand, you're at that point you
Speaker 1: actually have a better idea of like what is a threat?
Speaker 1: What is a danger to to you, your safety or
Speaker 1: the community at large. But anyway, maybe we'll begin to
Speaker 1: have a reckoning one day in America, but we've been
Speaker 1: reckoning free since fucking whenever. You want to put a
Speaker 1: date to it. All right, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back, and we're back and we just met
Speaker 1: the break getting ourselves in the proper headspace for this
Speaker 1: conversation by watching a preview clip of The Rig, which
Speaker 1: is a oil rig in Saudi Arabia that has been
Speaker 1: converted into an amusement park. The trailer for it, I
Speaker 1: guess was, you know, set to thumping uh E d
Speaker 1: M music. And I don't know, Carly, You're you're the
Speaker 1: you're the expert here. What what? What are we looking
Speaker 1: at here? That we're looking at the first ten minutes
Speaker 1: of a horror film? For sure? Nothing good is happening there.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, there's this very fine line between
Speaker 1: theme park and amusement park, where theme parks are holistically
Speaker 1: designed to kind of transport you to another universe, you know,
Speaker 1: something like fantasy Land or tomorrow Land. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: bring in story and narrative and characters really flesh out
Speaker 1: and experience beyond just sitting in a ride vehicle. Amusement
Speaker 1: parks are more focused on individual attractions. Sometimes they have themings,
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. This is not a pleasing place to
Speaker 1: look at or visit. I don't care how long that
Speaker 1: water slide looks. I don't want to be anywhere near
Speaker 1: that nightmare. Don't like it just looks bleak and sad
Speaker 1: and scary, and the setting just adds to the lower Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate it. You look at an overhead shot of
Speaker 1: this and it looks like a amusement park from water World,
Speaker 1: Like it looks like it's been built out of garbage
Speaker 1: that previous right, and you all like you all pray
Speaker 1: to the guy who was the captain of the Axon
Speaker 1: Valdis like the smokers did in water World. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say this. You're right, it's
Speaker 1: not an amusement park or a theme park because, as
Speaker 1: the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund calls it, this is
Speaker 1: a quote oil themed extreme park. I'm sorry, oil oil. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is in the press. The ring will be an
Speaker 1: oil the Indo Extreme Park, spanning a total area of
Speaker 1: more than one square meters in sitting at top of
Speaker 1: converted oil rig in the Arabian Gulf. And I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna give just for people have a little more understanding
Speaker 1: of like what we're talking about here. So they've converted
Speaker 1: this rig right to have play hosted extreme sports, hellapads
Speaker 1: quote a range of adventurous activities. They'll be rolling. There's
Speaker 1: a roller coaster we saw that was like built into
Speaker 1: the ringing rigging. They'll be skydiving. There's three hotels with
Speaker 1: over eight hundred rooms, eleven restaurants, and one that is
Speaker 1: under the water. There's so many ways to die here. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why this is appealing to anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's through like the way it looked Jack, like you
Speaker 1: said water wheel, because it all has like that patina,
Speaker 1: like that sea rust look to it, and I feel like, yo,
Speaker 1: the second you step on there, like you're getting tetans, right,
Speaker 1: that's like that just feels like the energy that's it's
Speaker 1: like that it's emitting. Even though it looks cool. I
Speaker 1: guess to fix a ferris wheel to the side of
Speaker 1: the fucking thing. The I am in on this, by
Speaker 1: the way, I want to go here. This looks and book.
Speaker 1: Look they're already paid, they already there. They got to him.
Speaker 1: He's doing pr he's doing a junk. Get out there.
Speaker 1: It looks terrifying. But like, if you're going to go
Speaker 1: on a scary roller coaster, why not have it like
Speaker 1: weaving through the you know, webbed like rebar of a
Speaker 1: dilapidated oil rig that like is groaning under the weight
Speaker 1: of all this all these rides that they've put on it.
Speaker 1: Like there's no way that thing is not making noises
Speaker 1: as it's like just creaking right the debut weekend, opening weekend,
Speaker 1: There'll be an accident. Right. This thing looks like the
Speaker 1: Santa Monica pere in the your Like it just looks
Speaker 1: like this is the last thing you see before Earth
Speaker 1: ceases to exist, right, and like it's just this weird
Speaker 1: mind like just okay, like just looking at all the
Speaker 1: fucking layers of this whole thing, right, because first Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia just to get into it, their whole thing is
Speaker 1: right now, they are trying to completely rebrand because they're
Speaker 1: trying to get away from they're trying to get away
Speaker 1: from headlines like Mohammed been Salmon is like killing children
Speaker 1: and Yemen or extra judicially assassinating people and foreign embassies
Speaker 1: to more stuff like holy Ship, Saudi Arabia built the
Speaker 1: coolest theme park you know, like that is there. It's
Speaker 1: all part of this sort of reputation washing scheme that's
Speaker 1: been going on very aggressively the last ten years, especially
Speaker 1: like now they just bought Newcastle United the football the
Speaker 1: soccer team in in the UK and caused a huge
Speaker 1: like people were like, what the funk were You're literally
Speaker 1: just gonna allow the like Saudi Arabian government to just
Speaker 1: buy this like story team just to wash their reputation
Speaker 1: with like the glory that you know they'll bring with
Speaker 1: their money to this club. And then even like when
Speaker 1: Trump went into office, we knew about how like American
Speaker 1: media and David Pecker and those guys at the National
Speaker 1: Enquirer were like doing all kinds of like these slick
Speaker 1: like magazines out of nowhere about Mohammed been Salmon or
Speaker 1: being like is Saudi Arabia the new dude bai? And
Speaker 1: you're like, huh is it? I feel like they're are
Speaker 1: a bunch of influencers who went there to either fashion
Speaker 1: or something along those lines where everyone's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: what are you posting like for a fun little trip?
Speaker 1: Is this bad? It's funny how those people were like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I just thought it was also don't
Speaker 1: go there on a junket please, Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: so there's that, right, there's this reputation washing scheme which
Speaker 1: this is all in service of because they want to
Speaker 1: become a new tourist destination by the by, and then
Speaker 1: you have like the idea of like a decommissioned oil
Speaker 1: rig which is like the source of all of like
Speaker 1: our earthly problems like with fossil fuel extraction, and then
Speaker 1: mapping on top of that like a place to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this old skeleton, that's the bygone thing that m I
Speaker 1: guess still the thing that's keeping us from protecting the earth.
Speaker 1: What if we put restaurants and fucking eight h like
Speaker 1: again oil themed. I'm sure I can't imagine if there's
Speaker 1: like an oil education section. What is an oil themed anything?
Speaker 1: Like the layers of propaganda are really Maybe that's every
Speaker 1: floor of the hotel. It's like a different scheme. Maybe
Speaker 1: they'll have what's his name's character from there will be
Speaker 1: blood as like one of the dress up characters that
Speaker 1: like will yell at you about drinking your milkshake. Oh dude,
Speaker 1: it'll be a thing as it's a restaurant. Was a
Speaker 1: Daniel play You can? You can? It's like step right
Speaker 1: up and try and drink my milk shake, and like
Speaker 1: all you try to drink from like a three like
Speaker 1: a fucking thirty meter straw and be like, I can
Speaker 1: just see that kind of nonsense. Yeah, I mean not
Speaker 1: to be like way too journalistic about this, but they
Speaker 1: are lacking an I P component because there are there's
Speaker 1: there's no like if I'm looking at this very literally
Speaker 1: without all of the terrifying backstory, there are no characters
Speaker 1: that are familiar to people, there are no storylines, there's
Speaker 1: no movie tie in there except for when I looked
Speaker 1: it up, a movie called The Rig, which I think
Speaker 1: is a horror movie. There's nothing to actually draw this
Speaker 1: tourism that they are pulling out of nothing. So a
Speaker 1: lot of times of stuff, they release these renderings and
Speaker 1: they just take forever and the things fall apart and
Speaker 1: I assume, I mean, they have money, so it could happen.
Speaker 1: But nobody is going to plan a trip around this
Speaker 1: because there's no hook beyond it being I don't know
Speaker 1: if people have craved an oil themed exterial, there's no
Speaker 1: there's no hook. There's first of all, okay, you know
Speaker 1: it's not oil has been bad, but they're turning that
Speaker 1: frown the apocalypse upside down by by putting smiles on
Speaker 1: people's faces on something that did bring about the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: But like for now, it's lit. They're doing something with
Speaker 1: levels that I have not seen done. Like I've never
Speaker 1: seen a you know, a roller coaster or a bunch
Speaker 1: of like water slides like kind of going through buildings,
Speaker 1: which I think is like a cool like that that's
Speaker 1: kind of hinted at by the park design and is
Speaker 1: it not. No, there's there's there. There are definitely roller
Speaker 1: coasters that will go through structures that are like that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the appeal. There is a lot of
Speaker 1: intertwining here, but more in a way that makes me
Speaker 1: scared for the structural significance of Yeah, no, this is
Speaker 1: a this is a total nightmare, but like also I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, it's like the firefest of theme parks
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm not I don't want to go,
Speaker 1: but like i't gonna, Yeah, I want total nightmare. I
Speaker 1: Mean it's weird because I pulled up a link about
Speaker 1: it and it's this website arch paper dot com and
Speaker 1: the text of it is as noted by CNN, Saudia
Speaker 1: Radio Lexe, the International tourism drop some of its neighbors
Speaker 1: due in part to the appalling history of human rights
Speaker 1: abuses and script restrictions placed on women, and you scroll
Speaker 1: up and it's a screen grab of that promotional video
Speaker 1: with a girl in a tank top just screaming on
Speaker 1: a coaster, and it's like, this is discordant, this is
Speaker 1: not together international waters. We loosen the rules over here
Speaker 1: and anything goes on an oil rig I suppose yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know suddenly, like and yeah, our strict repressive laws. Also, hey,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let that get in the way of tourism, folks,
Speaker 1: let's believe us. I'd like to see that. And also
Speaker 1: I don't know who this like. Again, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people. If they're saying internationally, right, I'll speak
Speaker 1: very narrowly about the United States. What person the US is, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: I have been you know what's been on my fucking list.
Speaker 1: We already we went to we went to Tokyo, we
Speaker 1: went to Iceland, we went to Coast a Rica, Like
Speaker 1: now we got to go to the Arabian Gulf to
Speaker 1: suck it, and then I want to go to ri
Speaker 1: odd okay, because it's a popping over there. I just
Speaker 1: don't again, like you're saying, the draw isn't clear. The
Speaker 1: value proposition isn't clear aside from I think just to
Speaker 1: say that it's like the most extreme fucking thing it's
Speaker 1: it's it's itself is a spectacle it all in all,
Speaker 1: it just seems joyless, which I don't think is the
Speaker 1: point of any of this. Yeah, right right, Like I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can tell that. It's like, no, this isn't who
Speaker 1: you Even the actors in the video the promotional videos
Speaker 1: seem like they are acting like they're having fun at gunpoint,
Speaker 1: like they don't. They're like, yeah, I love the rig.
Speaker 1: I don't get what it is though, because I love
Speaker 1: an attraction on a cruise ship, like a roller coaster
Speaker 1: on a cruise ship. Cruise ship, sign me the funk up.
Speaker 1: But this I hate, even though it's it's essentially also
Speaker 1: on water, also an amusement. Something about it permanently being
Speaker 1: out there where you can truly fault your death at
Speaker 1: any moment. It just doesn't sit right. It looks rusty
Speaker 1: as it looks you can already see. Have you ever
Speaker 1: met somebody who you're like, oh, I know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're gonna look like as an elderly person, Like do
Speaker 1: you know that? Like you're just like, oh, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I see that. I know where this is going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well so mild you you look like an old now
Speaker 1: I'm just talking. Uh no, this looks like I I
Speaker 1: looking at this, I can already see it in like
Speaker 1: a post apocalyptic landscape, like that's what's in the water world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, honestly to your point about the I p
Speaker 1: if this was branded as a water work, you, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking somehow. I'm suddenly like, oh I love Mohammed Bins.
Speaker 1: It was smooth it over a bit and have a
Speaker 1: jet ski and live my dreams. Yeah. And and already
Speaker 1: it's like funked up in Nightmariage because you're pre supposing
Speaker 1: that the world has already collapsed due to climate change
Speaker 1: and you're there to yuck it up with like the
Speaker 1: smokers and some guys speaking Portra Greek with webbed feet
Speaker 1: and gills behind his ears. Yea, yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: fits everything. Like. One thing, one kind of dissonant aspect
Speaker 1: of the video but not the most striking one obviously,
Speaker 1: is that they're scuba diving in it, which like, so
Speaker 1: it's like a theme part where you can go scuba
Speaker 1: diving underneath it, which who has not wanted to scuba
Speaker 1: diver around a fucking rusty oil rig. But you know,
Speaker 1: if it's water World, that that makes sense. He could
Speaker 1: bring under wall and this is so fucked up, But
Speaker 1: I think like you build like full scale because they
Speaker 1: have the money of a city that has just been
Speaker 1: completely submerged by a sea level rise and that's what
Speaker 1: you scuba dive through. Yeah, I mean that's a story.
Speaker 1: Show me my eventual fate, you know, right exactly, and
Speaker 1: then like somehow it's like acting as like a great
Speaker 1: inspiration for people, like we have to get off fossil fuel, guys,
Speaker 1: this is a good ideacular one. There's gotta be there's
Speaker 1: gotta be like decommissioned oil rigs in America. We turn
Speaker 1: them into like future world, Yeah, actual future land, like people,
Speaker 1: we got our oil, We could get that I P
Speaker 1: for cheap. You know that we could actually have hair
Speaker 1: restoration procedures out there. Since Kevin Costner, I guess most
Speaker 1: of that budget was spent on digitally redoing his hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it didn't it didn't quite work. And they all
Speaker 1: know there's a long running water World show it in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: right studios, Yes, yes, yeah, I mean the stunt Show
Speaker 1: because it used to be on Miami Vice Stunt Show,
Speaker 1: which is funny because for that that that Miami Vice
Speaker 1: Stunt Show went on for years past when anyone gave
Speaker 1: a funk about Miami Vice. And the same with the
Speaker 1: water World thing too, Like I bet they're like generations
Speaker 1: of kids who will go there, Like is water World?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's been decades, I believe just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a proven concept if we really want to sell it, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. So somebody already has, yeah ship. It's wild
Speaker 1: that they because nobody I went and saw water World.
Speaker 1: I was excited about water World when it came out,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like a child. I was like, hell, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this is like probably where we're all hiding. And but
Speaker 1: I I remember like having the feeling that, h this
Speaker 1: was like kind of cool. But nobody gives a ship
Speaker 1: enough about it to like play water World ever. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a very holistic tie in the fact that you
Speaker 1: would go to an oil rig and if you enjoy yourself,
Speaker 1: be like, congrats, this is the future if you continue
Speaker 1: to use oil, enjoy it, right, Yeah yeah, I like
Speaker 1: clinging to oil rigs for your life. Alright, Carly, Well,
Speaker 1: well we'll talk offline. We're gonna make this happen. Have
Speaker 1: you ever did you I'm sure you're too young for
Speaker 1: a river country. Did you ever hit river Country? And
Speaker 1: I know all about it. River Country is still my
Speaker 1: favorite amusement anything I've ever been to. Oh you lucky dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. River Country was just they built a
Speaker 1: water park into like a little chunk of the river
Speaker 1: in Orlando at Disney and it was I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was just cool. It like felt like it was
Speaker 1: like built out of like old like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like logging equip menten ship and like it felt a
Speaker 1: little tetnasy, but I loved that ship called me tetanasy Williams.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we just end the podcast and
Speaker 1: at this point a little lot right now, but that's it,
Speaker 1: uh ship. I wish I would have gone, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was dope. I don't know if it was dope or
Speaker 1: it just hit me at the right time. I think
Speaker 1: I want when I was like eight or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hit that in typhoon lagoon and consecutive days and well, Carly,
Speaker 1: it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on. This
Speaker 1: was a wonderful morning. Yes, yes, we did it all.
Speaker 1: We covered the whole spectrum, seriously, didn't Yeah, where can
Speaker 1: people find you and follow you? Oh? You can find
Speaker 1: me at Carly wise L on Twitter and Instagram or
Speaker 1: my podcast very amusing with Carly wise L anywhere they
Speaker 1: sell podcasts which were free. So just honestly, nobody has
Speaker 1: my names. Have you type in my name everything will
Speaker 1: come up. Yeah. Yeah, and we're spelling that name c
Speaker 1: R L y E W I s e L. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it was annoying growing up that no one
Speaker 1: could pronounce my name. But now like every Google result
Speaker 1: is me, it's kind of nice. Like I'm googling myself
Speaker 1: a lot. I work in a field of bylines. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Oh that's fine. We all do it. Yeah. I have
Speaker 1: Google alerts for for friends who I hope they'll be
Speaker 1: written about, and I always say, hey, bro, so you're
Speaker 1: still not popping up on I mean these days it's
Speaker 1: the only way I know my stuff is goes live.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, So your parents nailed it with you know,
Speaker 1: search engine optimization with thank you, h I was named
Speaker 1: for the most popular girl in my mom's high school
Speaker 1: and it ended up being a Google dream. Yeah, look
Speaker 1: at that and a combination of Carl and Yeah, Carl,
Speaker 1: Sagan and Kanye, So, yeah, you're right my two heroes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. Yes, Um, I'm torn between two,
Speaker 1: but I think my favorite the tweet my krill Tusk
Speaker 1: and it says smash that motherfucking like if you love
Speaker 1: the worm part of the bus, and it's a photo
Speaker 1: of the part that joins the two parts of the
Speaker 1: bus together. Yeah, I loved it because nobody it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that nobody talks about that I always
Speaker 1: try to go there because it feels a little bit
Speaker 1: like a ride and it was just nice to see
Speaker 1: it pop up in my feet and be represented. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My so funny. In like growing up in Japan, I
Speaker 1: will go to like in the middle of the train
Speaker 1: cars for that same again, this is where the ship moves,
Speaker 1: and my mom would regularly be like, get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of there. This isn't a ride. And now as
Speaker 1: an adult, I like I'll do it from time to time,
Speaker 1: or like in the New York Subway, I'll find myself
Speaker 1: levitating draws out. I'm like, yeah, I can kind of
Speaker 1: handle this right now. I like to go no hands
Speaker 1: because it makes me feel I moved to LA from
Speaker 1: New York, so it makes me feel like I still
Speaker 1: have it. Oh. You know what's the best though, any
Speaker 1: for subway writing culture is going hands free when it's
Speaker 1: breaking to be like, watch me, watch me finesse the
Speaker 1: stop and take off of the subway car with I'll
Speaker 1: grab in the little hand, yes exactly, And people native
Speaker 1: New Yorkers love when you do that. Oh yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: do it with my backpack. Everybody get it out of the
Speaker 1: the way, my big gas backpack on my back, not
Speaker 1: taking it off, and then like ending up pushing like
Speaker 1: an mt A worker. And they asked me, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get smacked. Miles. Can people find you with tweet
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Oh, you can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram at Miles of Gray and also the other
Speaker 1: show for twenty Day Fiance where I talk ID fiance
Speaker 1: with Sophia Alexandra Um. Let's see, man, I don't even
Speaker 1: know it's a fucking tweet even like these days. How
Speaker 1: about this one from at Arson do Er tweeted if
Speaker 1: smoking so bad, why does it cure salmon? Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, and another one from Abby Govindon at abby
Speaker 1: guv g o V tweeted quote, I'm an EmPATH. The
Speaker 1: worst person you have ever met? Track sometimes up. Let's
Speaker 1: see raunch on Pizza tweeted of a day, but for
Speaker 1: your teeth after eating popcorn, which while we're inventing ship,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Water pick. It's like a water pick.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, I mean for someone in my
Speaker 1: line of work, I could use that. Hell yeah, like
Speaker 1: a little pork and it just you do something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, there you go. Good mouth of a day,
Speaker 1: There you go. And then that mom though tweeted hello darkness,
Speaker 1: my old friend. Is it five or ten pm? Because
Speaker 1: this daylight saving ship is fucking me up. I'll yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know not you are? You just adjusted to
Speaker 1: the new sunlight like it's nothing. It's weird. I was
Speaker 1: doing it very suddenly hit me like two days ago
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh shit, I'm my circadian rhythms
Speaker 1: back in line with like what the clock says normally
Speaker 1: versus like me right now. Yah wow. I just get
Speaker 1: very sad every day at four o'clock being like I
Speaker 1: got nothing done, and then I'm like, oh, the sun
Speaker 1: stole time away from me, right yeah? And also you're like,
Speaker 1: why do I keep beating myself for not getting anything
Speaker 1: done in accordings with the sun, like Yeoman Farmer. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do we think they might enjoy? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been Lee's. They've been listening to a lot of
Speaker 1: funk p H O n K, which I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie to. TikTok got me kind of more interested in
Speaker 1: this musical genre where they take an eight oh a
Speaker 1: cow bell and d tune it. Do you hear the
Speaker 1: style of music? You're like, I know this kind of track,
Speaker 1: but the producers are really good, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know sonically I'm really starting to gravitate towards it.
Speaker 1: There's just something about it that's like, it feels like
Speaker 1: dystopian hip hop. And this track is called odium O
Speaker 1: d I U M from Last Century. And again, a
Speaker 1: lot of these FONK producers put X is where the
Speaker 1: vowels should go, so it's l x S, t c
Speaker 1: X and t U r Y, So check that out.
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