Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season episode one of
Speaker 1: Days I Got a star production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share conscieness. And it is Monday, November twenty one.
Speaker 1: I didn't even look up what international day it is.
Speaker 1: I think is that Cyber Monday? Do we call that
Speaker 1: cyber Monday? The day the Monday after city? It always
Speaker 1: sneaks up on me, you know. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of people complain about how Cyber Monday celebrations started earlier
Speaker 1: in earlier every year, but this year really snuck up
Speaker 1: on me. Guys. But that's that's all we need to
Speaker 1: care about. It doesn't matter. You don't need to recognize
Speaker 1: anything other than Cyber Monday. Jeff Bezos is uh, you
Speaker 1: know created holiday anyways. My name is Jack O'Brien. A
Speaker 1: k mustache, grow a mustache your phone? Can I d
Speaker 1: your face? That all look like an unemployed cop? It
Speaker 1: will dominate all your zoom calls, Chase Julia robberts down
Speaker 1: the street, make parents pull their kids near to their seat.
Speaker 1: When you've got a mustache, it's a lasso bor at
Speaker 1: joke and eye contact broke your wife won't like you time.
Speaker 1: That is courtesy of the past couple of weeks of
Speaker 1: my life living with a mustache. Um, very like legitimately,
Speaker 1: like I consense that she likes me less. Uh and
Speaker 1: then um I pointed out and she's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's accurate. Now you look like a creep. Uh.
Speaker 1: They're they're kind of over it. They think, yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't like me because they don't have enough uh, you know,
Speaker 1: cultural experience to recognize what this mustache means and what
Speaker 1: it signifies about somebody. I should actually be concerned that
Speaker 1: they're not more alarmed by my right, like you want
Speaker 1: to watch out for this in the real world. Kids
Speaker 1: changed my personality when I grew it. Just like so
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this is this is not a good
Speaker 1: thing anyways. Uh. I'm thrilled to be joined by a
Speaker 1: special guest co host whose voice you've already heard. She's
Speaker 1: a producer here at the I Heart Radio l a
Speaker 1: podcast studio, helping to create shows like I Don't Know,
Speaker 1: Fake Doctor's Real Friends, and Scientology Fair Game with Leah Remini.
Speaker 1: She's a fabulous writer who you can read at Vulture.
Speaker 1: The A V Club team voke paste, the advocate all
Speaker 1: the ones uh talented. On Mike Podcaster's voice, you can
Speaker 1: hear on fake doctors and pop culture, happy our all
Speaker 1: all that ship. She is the brilliant and talented Joel
Speaker 1: Money Marfender your best friend, I will beat you up.
Speaker 1: Um okay, it's such a lovely introduction. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: do my resume for me, so I don't have to
Speaker 1: do it always. Yeah. Wait, so why why would you
Speaker 1: beat somebody up like the two? Your sister's best friend
Speaker 1: should be able to beat you and any other man
Speaker 1: that comes anywhere near her up like just all times.
Speaker 1: Just be prepared, man. Hopefully you never have to use
Speaker 1: your powers, but shouldn't the need arise? I'm prepared well, Joel.
Speaker 1: Not only am I uh so fortunate and blessed to
Speaker 1: be joined by you as a guest co host, we
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by one of the very
Speaker 1: faces on Mountain seightmore uh. He co hosts the podcast
Speaker 1: The Worst Idea of All Time. He's just one of
Speaker 1: the funniest stand up comics doing it. One of your favorites,
Speaker 1: one of our favorites, one of our favorites. Uh be hilarious.
Speaker 1: And talent. Take Garman com Oh My Wood, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Jack and Joel as always in onted to
Speaker 1: be here. Very difficult to sit through a minute long
Speaker 1: diet tribe against mustaches when I I don't rock just
Speaker 1: a seasonal mustache. I've spent a lot of my adult
Speaker 1: life wearing a mustache. I didn't realize that I was
Speaker 1: in some sort of subset of society. It's all about
Speaker 1: It's all about the like the particulars on the mustache, right,
Speaker 1: like you look, You look great with a mustache. It
Speaker 1: works with your complexion. My my mustache is very dark
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just it's it's rude. It's actressive and rude.
Speaker 1: I first grew this because I couldn't grow a mustache
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I grew this um when
Speaker 1: I started doing stand up comedy, because I thought, um,
Speaker 1: people look funnier with a mustache. It's true. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: in this year I had fibers and this she has
Speaker 1: as a gift to my mom, who I was with
Speaker 1: the New Year's Eve, I shaved off my mustache and
Speaker 1: I said, Mom, I'm not gonna have a mustache. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because Mom's hey mustaches. I'm learning so much today, Why
Speaker 1: does your mom? I understand why ladies are very particular
Speaker 1: about their guys like facial hair. Okay, they have to
Speaker 1: kiss it, it's a lot, But why is your mom
Speaker 1: like no on the mustage. My mom and I are
Speaker 1: big on open mouth kissing. It feels it's um. It's
Speaker 1: because I think she wants me to still be her
Speaker 1: little boy, and the mustache represents the grown us men
Speaker 1: that destroys the allusion for her. I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it. I was just thinking maybe perhaps kids aren't
Speaker 1: afraid of the mustache now because like for as for us,
Speaker 1: the children represented like Herbert, we were like mustaches are weird,
Speaker 1: creepy guys in the backs of the Blockbusters. Don't go
Speaker 1: back there. It's weird. I think kids now it's cheated
Speaker 1: with Robert Duckie Jr. And Iron Man, and they're like
Speaker 1: that guy's cool as Hell's millionaire and pa and philanthropists,
Speaker 1: like he's got everything. He's totally ready. Robert Engr. Has
Speaker 1: single handedly changed the face and mustaches for children. But
Speaker 1: he's got doesn't He's not just straight up Mustachio's an
Speaker 1: exact same combo. If you have in it's just mustache. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm also interested Jake, because I think a mustache is okay.
Speaker 1: But I think that that little goat tee you've got
Speaker 1: beneath your bottom lip problem botsable. You don't think that him.
Speaker 1: So if you lost that part of your facial here,
Speaker 1: that your your wife might um forgive some of you know,
Speaker 1: some of your decisions through November. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I also it means enough
Speaker 1: to me to, uh, you know, I only get to
Speaker 1: wear a mustache once in my life, I think, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I've always wanted to look like Val Kilmer
Speaker 1: and Tombstone. Instead I don't look like that, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a valiant effort, so trying to
Speaker 1: give a shot. Yeah, I think it's very becoming on you.
Speaker 1: And I've also got to ask, did you self right
Speaker 1: that um that intro, that jointy intro tune? I did? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did this morning. Um Hey, it means a lot
Speaker 1: um I've I've had a lot of material because literally
Speaker 1: every zoom call, every work call, every conversation that I
Speaker 1: have with somebody starts with fifteen minutes of them talking
Speaker 1: about how I look like Julia Roberts's dangerous ex husband
Speaker 1: and sleeping with the enemy. How yeah, so it's it's planned.
Speaker 1: And also just a month of not being able to
Speaker 1: open my phone with my face. I I think you
Speaker 1: look like a hot little piece of ask. So um
Speaker 1: when you put that in your next song, that's that's kind.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Alright, guy, Well, as you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better and
Speaker 1: I'm moment um. But first we're gonna tell our listeners
Speaker 1: just a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have uh special guest Robert Evans joined. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to hear his thoughts on the Written House verdict and
Speaker 1: just where we're at with regards to the possibility of
Speaker 1: a second American Civil War um, and you know, just
Speaker 1: fun stuff like that. Um. And also I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I feel like, for for whatever, even before Written House
Speaker 1: went and met with Trump at Mara a Lago at
Speaker 1: the end of last week, I was like, this somehow
Speaker 1: helps Trump, I feel like, And now I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I feel like he's going to get reelected.
Speaker 1: I've felt that way for a while, so I'm very
Speaker 1: worried about that. Guys, there more space over there where
Speaker 1: you are. Well, yeah, we got I think, Kevin, we
Speaker 1: got too much space. Yeah, you can barely move for
Speaker 1: free space. Also true of America. America has like one
Speaker 1: of the lowest population densities of any country, but they
Speaker 1: pretend like we're running out. I drive through the Middle
Speaker 1: once and there was nothing but space. Yeah, there's nothing
Speaker 1: there yea. So so I feel like the middles people
Speaker 1: who lose their minds because they're too far away from
Speaker 1: the sea. I think if you get too far away
Speaker 1: from the sea for too long, you kind of lose perspective.
Speaker 1: For me, with not being able to order for a
Speaker 1: m thie, that's really why I had to leave the
Speaker 1: medal space. You need to be able to get Thai
Speaker 1: food any time of the night, or what is the
Speaker 1: point of living. Yeah, it's not fair enough. Um, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about fentanyl fearmongering going on. It has expanded
Speaker 1: to weed. The US police are are letting people know,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be careful because the drug dealers
Speaker 1: are uh spraying the weed with fentanyl, And as far
Speaker 1: as we can tell, that's not true. Um, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that. We are going to revisit McDonald's
Speaker 1: ice cream machine, because that saga has continued to unfold
Speaker 1: and continued to be a better and better metaphor or
Speaker 1: for just how American capitalism actually works. All the important
Speaker 1: stories at daily is that guys today, um well, actually, Joel,
Speaker 1: it is a metaphor for the military industrial complex, I
Speaker 1: will have you know. Uh, I can't wait to to
Speaker 1: oscillate between you know, really lighthearted and silly stuff, but
Speaker 1: they're also quite grave and serious stuff like yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to some of that stuff, maybe more. But
Speaker 1: before we get to any of it, guy, we do
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what's something from your search history?
Speaker 1: So I recently was researching the um your names Paula Cole,
Speaker 1: you know, she had that song we Have All the
Speaker 1: Cowboys Gone? Yeah yeah, and I was I was trying
Speaker 1: to be funny in conversation with my girlfriend, So I
Speaker 1: googled we have all the Cowboys actually Gone, you know,
Speaker 1: going to wanting to know where these cowboys have gone?
Speaker 1: And through there I found this incredible like near the
Speaker 1: top of the Google hit on there, I found this
Speaker 1: incredible like ten year old Reddit post where the title
Speaker 1: is we have all the cowboys gone? Feminism killed them.
Speaker 1: It's just like ancient screed written by some disgruntled Internet user. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't actually find out where the where the true
Speaker 1: cowboys have gone. Perhaps, like you, Joel, they've moved something
Speaker 1: where they have access to tai food around the clock.
Speaker 1: Now they're still out there Oklahoma, teaching kids how to
Speaker 1: ride bulls by first having them ride sheep. They're working
Speaker 1: hard keeping the lifestyle of life. The Twitter account that
Speaker 1: posted it is called pro woman, anti feminist, and it's
Speaker 1: just like a disaster sort of studio attempted studo intellectual
Speaker 1: you know scribblings where it says um Paula Cole captures
Speaker 1: the cognitive dissonance when a woman's bribal nature clashes with
Speaker 1: a modern woman's feminist indoctrination. It's like, I'm assuming she
Speaker 1: did not intend to. Uh, Like, you know, making activists
Speaker 1: is creating arts is once you put it out in
Speaker 1: the world, it's not really yours anymore, and you don't
Speaker 1: need to choose who likes to know how they interact
Speaker 1: with it. And um, you know, she just wrote a
Speaker 1: jaunty tune, sad tune. It starts as a love story
Speaker 1: and it ends. Um, they don't end up so happy
Speaker 1: to get that. I know the nerve of this guy
Speaker 1: to leave fucking cowboys. Man, they always do. They always
Speaker 1: break your heart. Um. That's why I always tell uh
Speaker 1: mamas not to raise their sons to grow up to
Speaker 1: be them. Um, I said that from day one. Al Right, guy,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Overrated? I've been
Speaker 1: opening some of these recently, and I guess what do
Speaker 1: you do? You read them? Do you look at them
Speaker 1: pop up books? You know those books, the books with
Speaker 1: the pops up out of the middle. Yeah, rated, overrated,
Speaker 1: said some childhood joy gone guy, page all it's three
Speaker 1: dimensional art just flung into my eyes. I feel like
Speaker 1: the authors who are trying to make movies but they're
Speaker 1: not quite there yet. Pick a team. Yeah, they are
Speaker 1: very enjoyable to children, but I think for the reason
Speaker 1: that they are the closest books come to being toys,
Speaker 1: and so that yeah, no, enjoy it between two hardcovers,
Speaker 1: very pro book over here when the art actually lifted
Speaker 1: off the page and have a little you know, there's
Speaker 1: other things behind them. A single bad thing about those
Speaker 1: pool tabs. The pool tabs are incredible, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to make a movie, mega movie. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: clues behind every tap. I love it. They're also getting better.
Speaker 1: That is one thing that I have noticed has been
Speaker 1: improved upon since I was a youngster, when a pop
Speaker 1: up book consisted of like a cutout of whatever would
Speaker 1: have been drawn there and just like you open it
Speaker 1: and it like kind of moves forward slightly. Like they
Speaker 1: have gotten pretty um elaborate with the with the sort
Speaker 1: of kinetic origami is what I'll call it, guys, poetry
Speaker 1: in motion. The pop up book industrial complex will not
Speaker 1: go down without a fight. They're using higher grade card point.
Speaker 1: They have more resilient pump outs now because they've seen
Speaker 1: what children are doing to these popouts. And I've said,
Speaker 1: how can we counter that? Mm hmmm pop up Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm against them. What if something you think is underrated? Well,
Speaker 1: so I'm in Auckland, New Zealand, um, and we are.
Speaker 1: Actually we've just celebrated our hundredth day of our lockdown.
Speaker 1: So it's obviously a huge accomplishment in and of itself,
Speaker 1: but that does come with missing You're both making quite
Speaker 1: sort of scrunching up your faces in it. Yeah, three months.
Speaker 1: Uh do you guys know when you're getting out? This
Speaker 1: feels like if I were in prison for life and
Speaker 1: someone's like, man, I got five months in here, but
Speaker 1: we made the first three were good. I'd be like, fuck,
Speaker 1: we know, we're we are, We're almost out, and it's um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a long time, but it's done
Speaker 1: his job. But I miss um socializing did be shocked
Speaker 1: her here. And one of the things I'm looking forward to,
Speaker 1: which I think is underrated, is getting into a car
Speaker 1: with four adult for getting like five grown ups in
Speaker 1: a car, because technically a car is designed to accommodate
Speaker 1: five grown ups, but as soon as you do it,
Speaker 1: you know they never thought it would actually happen. And
Speaker 1: there's just there's a there's something I like about that
Speaker 1: that there's a camaraderie. Yeah, and like you know, being
Speaker 1: in the middle and the back and you think there's
Speaker 1: not enough space back here. I just want to I
Speaker 1: just want to feel the experience of socializing, I guess
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Maybe maybe I think socializing is underrated,
Speaker 1: but mainly it's the just being like crushed into a
Speaker 1: into a moving view. I feel like and this might.
Speaker 1: You know, we're rounding into summer here, and I'm getting
Speaker 1: getting excited. I'm getting a hit of myself. But there's
Speaker 1: something about like, if I get into a car with
Speaker 1: four other adults, it's usually because we're going somewhere exciting
Speaker 1: or a little bit you know, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: hard to get to a little bit far away, and
Speaker 1: I want that feeling. Listen, I respected. I went bowling
Speaker 1: for the first time, like in fifteen years two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But it's also the first time I saw more than
Speaker 1: like two friends in their house. We were trying to
Speaker 1: social distance and be respectful and not kill each other. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it was wonderful. We got drinks, there was pizza involved.
Speaker 1: It was It was pretty close to heaven. After being
Speaker 1: trapped in my house at a work meeting in person
Speaker 1: the other day, Guys, it's mind blowing out there. We
Speaker 1: have an office talking to each other, drawing on walls.
Speaker 1: Who knew life was this glorious. I really feel like
Speaker 1: the pandemic has giving me a new lease on life
Speaker 1: and that like, I just really want to appreciate every
Speaker 1: day I don't have to be inside of my house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was great. That was great. Just like Joel, you
Speaker 1: weren't here for this, but Guy was just lording it
Speaker 1: over us for all this time America, as the United
Speaker 1: States was crumbling around us and we weren't allowed out
Speaker 1: of the house. Guy was like, Yeah, I just went
Speaker 1: to a sporting event and it was wonderful and freeing. Um,
Speaker 1: how's it going over there? Though, even though we had
Speaker 1: just talked for fifteen minutes about how it's going over here?
Speaker 1: That's okay. You know, I'm I'm I'm a centurion now,
Speaker 1: so we I've experienced some of those liberties, and now
Speaker 1: I also have the I guess, the sense of participation
Speaker 1: in accomplishment that comes with being in your house for
Speaker 1: a very long time. We basically spent summer break grounded.
Speaker 1: And while I respect the hard time you have done,
Speaker 1: we're quickly approaching year three. I know this is what
Speaker 1: I say. I say, Am I the only with the
Speaker 1: novel coronavirus? Am? I? Am I the only one of
Speaker 1: us who thinks the novelty has a weather and truly
Speaker 1: worn off. I mean, that's that's gonna material right there. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got uh. I think I have a booster coming up,
Speaker 1: So it's exciting and go to those boosts. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We're gonna see
Speaker 1: if we can't track down Robert Evans and we will
Speaker 1: be right back. And we're back. Uh, And Robert has
Speaker 1: just joined the conversation. Whoa I am seeing Jack's mustache
Speaker 1: for the first time here. Well, this is this is exciting.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this is Christmas came early this year,
Speaker 1: since uh, the Written House verdict came in. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I saw a cryptic tweet from you saying, be careful
Speaker 1: what you post on social media today. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to just kind of overall get your thoughts um on
Speaker 1: what a where where this puts us? Because it does
Speaker 1: seem you know, you've been in the ship. You were
Speaker 1: on the streets in Portland during a lot of the
Speaker 1: violence that happened there during the you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys pointing guns at me in the wake of
Speaker 1: the Written House, the initial shooting. Because when he when
Speaker 1: when that happened, every right winger in the Northwest decided
Speaker 1: it's time to show up in a crowded city at
Speaker 1: a protest with a big old gun and see if
Speaker 1: I might get a chance to shoot somebody. It was
Speaker 1: a fun couple of weeks. So with with all that
Speaker 1: being said, how like, well, what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: where we are like in the context of like violence
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's the dawning of an
Speaker 1: era of good feelings. I think I think things are fine. Um,
Speaker 1: people seem to like each other more than ever. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all getting on the same page
Speaker 1: about some important issues. Um, we really have built back better,
Speaker 1: uh in in in Nation. Well, it's been great having you, Robert,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Just to make sure, just
Speaker 1: as as someone who's not in America, I'd like to
Speaker 1: co sign that that's depicted were getting from down here
Speaker 1: in New Zealand just a functional glass country right here. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean this is a pretty dangerous time, Jack. I
Speaker 1: spent about eight percent of my time doing podcasting about
Speaker 1: it actually doing journalism, and most of my journalism focuses
Speaker 1: on the far right, and folks who followed it will
Speaker 1: know that in two thousand nineteen I was writing and
Speaker 1: doing media appearances constantly about eight Chan and like the
Speaker 1: christ Church shooting and the shootings that followed in the
Speaker 1: wake of that, that we're all spawned from that website,
Speaker 1: and so there the community that I was following at
Speaker 1: the time, the rhetoric that I saw in that community,
Speaker 1: which was mostly groups of a few hundreds sometimes a
Speaker 1: few thousand, like neo Nazis, uh, spreading propaganda, that kind
Speaker 1: of propaganda that I had to like go to places
Speaker 1: like eight chan or other weird little corners of the
Speaker 1: Internet to find. Um. Tucker Carlson's saying it right, the
Speaker 1: christ Church mass shooters manifesto was the great replacement. Carlson
Speaker 1: did like a whole two episode series on how white
Speaker 1: people are being replaced, although he didn't quite use this,
Speaker 1: but that was the gist of it that like democrats
Speaker 1: are are bringing in non white people to replace the original.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like a demographic voting. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was just couching it in like I'm just a
Speaker 1: political analyst here, ye type of thing. But it was
Speaker 1: straight up like Nazi propaganda. So that's larger. And one
Speaker 1: of the consequences of J six is, you know, when
Speaker 1: social media apps threw a lot of people off of
Speaker 1: their services, um and just you know, other people left
Speaker 1: because they'd seen their favorite right wing thought leader get
Speaker 1: banned for suggesting the people be murdered. Um, they all
Speaker 1: wound up in places like telegram, which is um in
Speaker 1: the United States primarily is used by Nazis. So you're
Speaker 1: seeing the more mainstreaming of these like kind of violently
Speaker 1: extremist perspective. Did you call the Written House like trial? What?
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on, Like, were you surprised by
Speaker 1: how it played out? Well? No, I and I think
Speaker 1: one of the silliest things has been kind of the
Speaker 1: Glen Greenwald's substat contingent trying to like prush stories that
Speaker 1: like the media got the Written House. If you're surprised
Speaker 1: about the Written House verdict, it's because you're in a
Speaker 1: media bubble, Like nobody is surprised. We're like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's a white kid with millions of dollars to spend
Speaker 1: on his legal defense. Uh, he's probably gonna get off.
Speaker 1: Like it's a small town Jerry, you know. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine, And he was fine judge.
Speaker 1: Really the only thing that I was surprised by was
Speaker 1: how like openly friendly the judge was like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Yeah, but so that's you've already covered that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I guess what what's your best guess
Speaker 1: as like what the immediate future looks like. And how
Speaker 1: are you feeling about a second American Civil War, which
Speaker 1: is something you've been warning was a danger for and
Speaker 1: I'm of years uh and now people are like, wait
Speaker 1: a second, Robert wasn't just joking. I mean, we're definitely
Speaker 1: experiencing a kind of low intensity insurgency and you're seeing
Speaker 1: this on the ground, and like school board meetings and
Speaker 1: kind of some of the early attempts to take over
Speaker 1: and stop vote counting processes earlier this year, in a
Speaker 1: lot of these like attacks on school boards, like threats
Speaker 1: against parents and school board members. You're seeing death threats
Speaker 1: against election officials. And as of yet, the the actual
Speaker 1: level of deadly violence, there's been a lot of non
Speaker 1: deadly There's constant street fights every week in this country, UM,
Speaker 1: often at like local government meetings. It's happening constantly. Los
Speaker 1: Angeles is a hotspot in particular. UM. But more to
Speaker 1: the point, I think you're you are seeing an escalation
Speaker 1: of red eric around deadly violence. And the Writtenhouse verdict
Speaker 1: had a definite impact on that. On like kind of
Speaker 1: the far right side of things, like the people who
Speaker 1: are happy wearing swastikas they've they're putting him in memes
Speaker 1: with like where they're sainting him and putting like a
Speaker 1: little swastika halo around his head like they do with
Speaker 1: all the mass shooters, like they do with um, oh,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Dylan Roof and the like um and
Speaker 1: most of then ironic commentary like critique, there's so no
Speaker 1: not a critique, but like they're so irony poisoned that
Speaker 1: you can't ever say anything they say is entirely serious,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's this mix of things because they'll
Speaker 1: also like call him cucked or whatever for for saying
Speaker 1: that he supports BLM like it. You have to you
Speaker 1: have to, like, these people are capable of holding totally
Speaker 1: ironic and totally sincere beliefs about the same thing, and
Speaker 1: so you have to accept that and and assume that,
Speaker 1: like just because they're joking about shooting people doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they don't also want to shoot people or have shoot
Speaker 1: and shot right, Like it's this if you looked at it,
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you looked a lot of stuff Britain
Speaker 1: Tarrant had posted online before he killed fifty people, you
Speaker 1: would have been like, well, this is just like a
Speaker 1: guy ship talking. But anyway, I I what what's what
Speaker 1: worries me is that the ship talking about killing other
Speaker 1: people has spread. I'm seeing the channels I'm seeing where
Speaker 1: people are talking about showing up with guns at protests
Speaker 1: and killing people are just playing killing liberals and leftists. UM.
Speaker 1: The channels where people are discussing that are ten to
Speaker 1: fifty times larger than they were this time a year ago. UM.
Speaker 1: Channels that I would see like three or four thousand
Speaker 1: people talking about murdering the left, stacking bodies like chord Wood,
Speaker 1: Now there's like fifty five people following, and like, it's
Speaker 1: that that concerns me. The the amount of UM. I'm
Speaker 1: sure the signal to noise ratio has also gotten worse.
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure there's a lot more people talking about
Speaker 1: killing their political enemies and a lot higher percentage of
Speaker 1: the people who talk about that are full of shit.
Speaker 1: But also the rhetoric itself has and it makes it
Speaker 1: more likely because there's there's always X number of people
Speaker 1: out there who are un you know, at such a
Speaker 1: point in their life or or or are the kind
Speaker 1: of person who if they if they see that, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like how if you're you've got like a
Speaker 1: family men who's a little bit racist. But they never
Speaker 1: would have they never talked about it openly until like Facebook,
Speaker 1: and then they see some article that says the racist
Speaker 1: thing that they've always thought and they share it on
Speaker 1: Facebook like, well someone else said it, so now I
Speaker 1: can share it right now, Like it's safe for me
Speaker 1: to express this racist thing I've always believed, like that,
Speaker 1: that same thing exists for wanting to murder people. Um,
Speaker 1: and some percentage of the people who get exposed to
Speaker 1: that rhetoric will actually go out and commit murder. And
Speaker 1: every time that happens, it ratchets up the temperature and
Speaker 1: increases the odds that someone on the left will kill
Speaker 1: someone on the right, which obviously is we saw last
Speaker 1: year when um J Danielson, the Trump supporter, was shot
Speaker 1: dead in Portland's like things would bug funk for a while. Um,
Speaker 1: they had to send in the U. S. Marshals to
Speaker 1: murder that guy to try and like it was this,
Speaker 1: it's just this, uh, the guy who shot the Trump supporter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this self escalating cycle. And we keep spinning up
Speaker 1: and spinning up and spinning up, and at the same
Speaker 1: time as like I think Rittenhouse raises the temperature, I
Speaker 1: think this verdict raises the temperature. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: a guilty verdict would have lowered it, though, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if giving them a martyr is worse for
Speaker 1: overall levels of violence, Like I think once he started
Speaker 1: pulling his trigger in Kenosha that night, both like potential
Speaker 1: outcomes of the court case were had equal potentials to
Speaker 1: incite violence. I honestly think that, like not as not
Speaker 1: me saying I don't think a conviction would have been justified.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I don't know that it would
Speaker 1: have made a difference from like a inspiring additional l
Speaker 1: acts of violence standpoint. But that's a super dangerous place
Speaker 1: to be because the people who are talking about committing
Speaker 1: these violent acts and you know, on the teetering on
Speaker 1: the edge of doing that, they see that risk reward.
Speaker 1: You know, they see the same thing you're seeing. They
Speaker 1: see that there two outcomes are likely either they get
Speaker 1: away with it or they become a martyr and you know,
Speaker 1: become a national hero. So like that, Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: seems like the incentive system is really not there to
Speaker 1: prevent more of this ship happening. It is, and one
Speaker 1: of the things that worries me that I think there's
Speaker 1: a good chance we'll see at some point, Um, if
Speaker 1: Written House have gotten convicted, Um, he could not have
Speaker 1: been pardoned because they were not federal charges. But I
Speaker 1: suspect that as we gear up for Republican presidential candidates
Speaker 1: are going to be falling over themselves to pardon j
Speaker 1: six like convictees, like people who were in prison for
Speaker 1: their actions on January six. And I suspect the next
Speaker 1: time there's a murder like this, if there's a conviction
Speaker 1: or even the threat of a conviction on federal charges,
Speaker 1: it's going to be there's going to be a campaign
Speaker 1: on the right to pardon people for committing acts of
Speaker 1: violence like that, and that that I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of the next stage when you actually get a right
Speaker 1: wing government in power again and they turn the kind
Speaker 1: of legal apparati that exists into making providing the legal
Speaker 1: justifications and niceties for a camp pain of political extermination.
Speaker 1: That's something that worries me a lot. I almost regret
Speaker 1: the framing of civil war. I think it's it's useful
Speaker 1: and and that's the reason I did it in terms
Speaker 1: of getting people to understand the potential consequences that the
Speaker 1: real actual potential body count of the kind of conflict
Speaker 1: we're going to see. It's less about a kind of
Speaker 1: unlike armed insurgency in the Hills necessarily than it is about,
Speaker 1: or at least I think that's less likely almost than
Speaker 1: a situation in which you have two sides shooting the
Speaker 1: ship out of each other and one of those sides
Speaker 1: has the backing of the government to commit atrocities, you know,
Speaker 1: like that that that you get something like that, or
Speaker 1: you get a bunch of different conflicts like that and
Speaker 1: different police departments and federal agencies like backing different groups,
Speaker 1: which you've you've had versions of since forever. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at the which just come out about the
Speaker 1: assassination of Malcolm x Right, who was killed by FBI informants,
Speaker 1: and you know who, who the funk knows what the
Speaker 1: actual situation is there, But you've always had law enforcement
Speaker 1: groups like who have been willing to use kind of
Speaker 1: paramilitary methods within the United States to destroy political opponents.
Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of what I'm worried about
Speaker 1: is the next stage of this and obviously that can escalate.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's it's a long road to the
Speaker 1: kind of violence we see in Afghanistan, but it's also
Speaker 1: like the route on the road to that point is
Speaker 1: bloody enough as it is, even if you never quite
Speaker 1: get there. There's a lot of blood in between here
Speaker 1: and Kabul. You know, I feel like the mainstream assumption
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna let Joel and Guy say anything.
Speaker 1: Sorry to dominate, but like I just the I feel
Speaker 1: like the centrist sort of mainstream assumption is that the
Speaker 1: right is always going to be the outside like insurgency
Speaker 1: kind of in that insurgency position, And there's just such
Speaker 1: a long history of violent right wing killing of people
Speaker 1: on the left that is, you know, condoned and we're
Speaker 1: sponsored by the Greensboro I think it was the seventies. Yeah, right. Also,
Speaker 1: just to your point about the groups of people like
Speaker 1: online saying that they want to stack the bodies of
Speaker 1: people on the left growing exponentially, are you seeing the
Speaker 1: same growth of people on the left like it? It
Speaker 1: feels like the left hasn't really grown with it because
Speaker 1: they're in sort of a weird political situation where like
Speaker 1: the person in office is supposed to be somebody that
Speaker 1: is on their side, and when they point out, no,
Speaker 1: he's actually not doing shit, It's like, God, you guys
Speaker 1: just can't consolidate around a single message. So I just
Speaker 1: feel like the left is staying the same size, while
Speaker 1: the right and right wing violence is like having this upsurge.
Speaker 1: I will say I have seen a significant rise equal
Speaker 1: to the rise on the right in extremist left wing rhetoric,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't all extremism is not created equal. It
Speaker 1: is extreme to say I think we should in capitalism
Speaker 1: overthrow the police entirely, redistribute all of the money of
Speaker 1: the billionaires, and and destroy the oil and gas industry,
Speaker 1: and and institute a radical regime of ecological repair. That's
Speaker 1: that's an extreme political attitude, right. I have seen that increase.
Speaker 1: I've seen a variety of including like you know, stuff
Speaker 1: that like like state communism, and all sorts of a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different radical left wing ideologies have gotten
Speaker 1: more popular, um, including some that that are like like
Speaker 1: that approve of murdering people. Right. I think overall, the
Speaker 1: amount of I've seen increased rhetoric talking about killing people
Speaker 1: on the left is a fraction of what I've seen
Speaker 1: on the right, because left wing extremist ideology rare is
Speaker 1: less likely to talk about killing people. Right, there are
Speaker 1: radical left wing strains of ideology that that want to
Speaker 1: stack bodies, you know, but as a percentage of radical
Speaker 1: left wing thought, it's lower than the percentage of radical
Speaker 1: right wing thought that wants to stack bodies, because when
Speaker 1: you get right down to it, at the extreme end
Speaker 1: of the right, that's all they actually believe in is
Speaker 1: killing people, right like, that's that is the furthest right
Speaker 1: ideology is all about groups of people need to be eliminated,
Speaker 1: you know. Um And, whereas the kind of willingness to
Speaker 1: kill people in radical left wing ideology often comes alongside
Speaker 1: another specific sort of goal um or is a bioproductal.
Speaker 1: You look at most of the people killed under communist regimes,
Speaker 1: it wasn't people being shot in the street. It was
Speaker 1: like starvation because of terrible economic um and and agricultural policy.
Speaker 1: So I I definitely we're living every kind of extremism
Speaker 1: is more common now than it was five years ago.
Speaker 1: But I don't think the jump of people talking about
Speaker 1: stacking bodies on the left. It's happened, but it has
Speaker 1: not been nearly to the same kind of extent as
Speaker 1: I've seen it on the right. Joel got any questions
Speaker 1: for Robert any thing to just add from your own perspectives, No,
Speaker 1: I'm black, slide to tune out. Uh, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can no longer engage with sad white boys being like
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to shoot people. Well yeah, I mean like,
Speaker 1: I mean truly like it, and to a much more
Speaker 1: aggressive extent for anybody who a buys into this ship
Speaker 1: or b is like just leefully elated at this ship,
Speaker 1: Like I just don't have the energy or time to
Speaker 1: invest in what has always been right. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out here who all, right,
Speaker 1: like just miss me with the pox shock he got off?
Speaker 1: How what does it mean about I? Just like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can no longer engage in and actively watching white supremacy,
Speaker 1: and like grateful to people like Robert out there who
Speaker 1: are like, no, not my watch, Like I would call
Speaker 1: it out and I'm going to make sure that it's
Speaker 1: in people's faces and that you can't avoid it, because
Speaker 1: they're a lot of people who just want to pretend
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. But I am fully aware and for
Speaker 1: my mental health. I've had to just take a large
Speaker 1: step back from that and like, really just my new
Speaker 1: goals for for probably the next three years is like,
Speaker 1: let me focus on what I can do. I can't
Speaker 1: solve a lot of big problems. I have a d
Speaker 1: My focus is everywhere I can give it to people
Speaker 1: just outside of my circle, trying to do really positive
Speaker 1: things with their life and their time, like small self promotion.
Speaker 1: We've got a program and I started a lovely producer
Speaker 1: of this podcast. It's called Next Up. It is one
Speaker 1: of those beautiful things ever ever to happen in my life.
Speaker 1: Like we have kids trying to preserve their native languages,
Speaker 1: and we have this young woman who so eloquently speaks
Speaker 1: about her the assaults that have happened to her and
Speaker 1: how she's using all of the terrible ship she's been
Speaker 1: through to to be a victim's advocate in her own life.
Speaker 1: We have people trying to rediscover lost history. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's where I want to focus my energy. And I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of us that are like I'm
Speaker 1: firmly on the left, I would like see a lot
Speaker 1: of radical politics happen. I'm hopefully, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: support an engage with the people trying to make that happen.
Speaker 1: But I just don't to work and operate my own
Speaker 1: little circles and trying to make life better for those
Speaker 1: people as best I can. Yeah, and I I think
Speaker 1: that makes total sense. And I think part of what
Speaker 1: you're getting at if an unmistaken is the idea that
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like paying attention to the
Speaker 1: right people, like written House and also just like kind
Speaker 1: of the thought leaders and stuff, it's not about, like
Speaker 1: fuck doing that to dunk on them or to argue
Speaker 1: with them, or to make a case as to why
Speaker 1: they're legitimate, Like you shouldn't have to do that. Number one,
Speaker 1: the only case you need to make is for the
Speaker 1: things you know are necessary, for the things that you
Speaker 1: like believe in. In In one and number two, the only
Speaker 1: reason to pay attention to them is the same reason
Speaker 1: you would pay attention if there were a rattlesnake three
Speaker 1: feet away from you. You're paying attention to know where
Speaker 1: they are so that you can defend yourself and your
Speaker 1: can entity from them. You're not paying attention with them
Speaker 1: to like dunk on them or give them fuel for
Speaker 1: their fire, Like I really think they just thrive. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, let's do an interview co written house.
Speaker 1: He says, black lives matter. What does that mean? It
Speaker 1: does mean ship. It does not mean ship to me
Speaker 1: or anyone else, Like get out of here, nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Please go away. A little boy like you got so lucky.
Speaker 1: I think what most about cow written houses like you,
Speaker 1: who were so blessed and lucky like you murdered people
Speaker 1: And now the government is like, ahead, dude, go around
Speaker 1: with your life's time. Go live that life store far
Speaker 1: away from us. It's like it's just exhausting, and it's
Speaker 1: the It's so frustrating because I have to believe, just
Speaker 1: from a point of moral consistency, that any seventeen year
Speaker 1: old in his position should get another chance to be
Speaker 1: a human being and have a life. Because he's an abolitionists.
Speaker 1: I don't even like want him to ride. People are
Speaker 1: like throw him in the basement of the cell, Like, no,
Speaker 1: what if I'm doing for anybody? But I do want
Speaker 1: you to be held accountable. That yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't give a ship. If he says like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: support Black lives matter. If twenty years from now he says,
Speaker 1: you know, what I regret everything I made terrible mistakes.
Speaker 1: I was a brainwash and I'll be like, Okay, good
Speaker 1: like you. I'm glad you've proved that people can change. Um.
Speaker 1: But I don't care. I can't imagine Number one, I
Speaker 1: don't think any of us should care what uh A
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have any insight into anything, um other
Speaker 1: than how to be rich in the criminal justice system,
Speaker 1: like to be to be honest, Like he's as useless
Speaker 1: for for information on the criminal justice system is like
Speaker 1: fucking o J was in ninety five, Like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a guy who went unlimited money for lawyers and so
Speaker 1: you got off. Like that's how it works. From the
Speaker 1: Daily Zags perspective, we're not right wing watch. It's not
Speaker 1: like as much as possible, I try to avoid like
Speaker 1: seeking out right wing, you know, perspectives, right like what
Speaker 1: they're doing on the right. I'm mainly concerned with the
Speaker 1: way that I'm seeing that perspective and for trade the
Speaker 1: mainstream media. So like I feel like we're more mainstream
Speaker 1: media watch, and it's becoming more and more common, Like
Speaker 1: the window is moving in in that direction in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, there's also a new Yorker article
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are pointing to being like
Speaker 1: this is a great like profile. It's called Kyle Rittenhouse,
Speaker 1: American vigilante, tries to be very even handed and like
Speaker 1: the reporter, like follows his family around, and it's very
Speaker 1: sympathetic portrait of he and his family. That article also
Speaker 1: quotes him and takes him at his word that he's
Speaker 1: supportive of black lives matter, or that his family is,
Speaker 1: and that he didn't know what he was doing when
Speaker 1: he was put throwing up white power hand signals in
Speaker 1: a picture with proud boys, and it's just tacit sort
Speaker 1: of uh steady state white supremacy of the mainstream that
Speaker 1: I think is watching, Yeah, and I it's so uh
Speaker 1: fucking bleak that I think one of the overwhelming lessons
Speaker 1: of the last four or five years is that the
Speaker 1: concept of journalism has overwhelmingly failed. It is a a
Speaker 1: failure of an institution, a failure of an industry, a
Speaker 1: failure of a discipline. On like a profound and almost
Speaker 1: incomprehensible It didn't start five years ago. You know, you
Speaker 1: can go back to the seventies, the eighties, read about
Speaker 1: stuff like the c I A you know, basically dictating
Speaker 1: press releases to The New York Times about regime change
Speaker 1: in in Guatemala and Chile. But it it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's this idea that, like a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful idea that there would be a fifth
Speaker 1: estate that has has as powerful as another branch of
Speaker 1: the government, but exists purely to check its power and
Speaker 1: is completely independent. Um. But that's that's nothing. But like
Speaker 1: a load of horseshit and and profiles like that make
Speaker 1: that point. Because as long as you can be sympathetic
Speaker 1: to a a journalist who believes more than anything that
Speaker 1: they should not be biased, that like the most important
Speaker 1: thing in the world is that nobody nobody called them biased.
Speaker 1: Um Like, that is always going to be the result
Speaker 1: of that ship. It's why we get all of these
Speaker 1: like fawning pro nazi articles. That's why we humanize people
Speaker 1: like Trump's why we tried to humanize It's why Hitler
Speaker 1: got humanized by the fucking New York Times and everybody
Speaker 1: else when he was rising to power. It's because these
Speaker 1: people desperately believe there have to be two sides to
Speaker 1: every person, and because they're dumb in their hacks, and
Speaker 1: that a New Yorker writer is a dumb hack. They
Speaker 1: mistake being fair and empathetic. And you can and should
Speaker 1: be empathetic about the case of Kyle Rittenhouse because it's
Speaker 1: a tragedy. It's a tragedy for the people he killed,
Speaker 1: as a tragedy for the community, and it's a tragedy
Speaker 1: for him as an individual, because like he has, he
Speaker 1: has destroyed any chance of ever having a life or
Speaker 1: being a real person. And it's a tragedy that There's
Speaker 1: a lot to say about the United States, about the
Speaker 1: way boys grow up here, about gun culture, about just
Speaker 1: the general worship of violence in our society, about right
Speaker 1: wing media, about social media in general, and yes, about
Speaker 1: about like the left wing media and protest called There's
Speaker 1: a lot in this story that a good journalist and
Speaker 1: and some of that will involve being empathetic. You can't
Speaker 1: just approach Kyle Rittenhouse as if he's as if he's
Speaker 1: the devil, because he's not. He's a kid who made
Speaker 1: a decision that he thought was justifiable in a mix.
Speaker 1: I think in his head it was a mix of
Speaker 1: wanting to be a hero and wanting to be a
Speaker 1: man and being a man by killing people, and that's
Speaker 1: a that's a compelling emotional story. But if you're just
Speaker 1: a hack and a fraud, uh, the only way to
Speaker 1: make something compelling is to pretend there's as much good
Speaker 1: in someone's actions as there was bad. Like that's what
Speaker 1: even handed means to hacks. And so you don't get
Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't get a lot of good
Speaker 1: journalism these days. And to your point, like that same
Speaker 1: ideology of like we have to be even handed and
Speaker 1: fair is keeping a lot of people who have anotherism
Speaker 1: within their livelihood, whether that's raised, whether it's gender identity,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, sexuality, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: from being in these rooms. And we saw a lot
Speaker 1: of that would have Coole Hannah Jones of just like
Speaker 1: it is so on top of her game, and it's
Speaker 1: still constantly like, oh, you can't put your prejudice because
Speaker 1: you're black, How could you ever report about slavery? What
Speaker 1: if you have if you had a black journalists report
Speaker 1: on a Black Lives Matter protests or on police violence
Speaker 1: against the black community, that's a conflict of interest, that's biased.
Speaker 1: So let's just have another white dude do it, which,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's so it's so upsetting to have
Speaker 1: so many friends who have actually studied journalism, who are
Speaker 1: trying to do it ethically be kept out of these
Speaker 1: rooms or kept at a pay rate where they cannot
Speaker 1: live a full life, and just constantly be told either
Speaker 1: you're not good enough, you haven't done enough studies, and
Speaker 1: or your decision in life instantly makes you prejudice and
Speaker 1: unable to evenly report on almost anything that has to
Speaker 1: do with your livelihood. Is just it's an it's an
Speaker 1: insane place to stand in the middle of me, like,
Speaker 1: we could really use some great journalism now, and the
Speaker 1: accidently have It's typically people who are unverified, and we're
Speaker 1: just hoping that these folks on the ground have enough knowledge,
Speaker 1: have actually done the research, have enough training to do
Speaker 1: it because we can no longer trust the institutions that
Speaker 1: have been around. Yeah, the most influential piece of journalism
Speaker 1: last year into their my Old credit, the Pulitzers recognized
Speaker 1: this was the young woman who took a video of
Speaker 1: George Floyd getting murdered like that. That was the that
Speaker 1: was more impactful than every article the New York Times
Speaker 1: wrote that year put together um and it was impactful,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't less good journalism because she looked at
Speaker 1: what was happening was like, well this is wrong. Yeah right, yeah, alright.
Speaker 1: I figured this would happen. I like, bring you on
Speaker 1: and then ask you an hour's worth of questions, and
Speaker 1: then I was just like, all right, well that was
Speaker 1: an act of the podcast. But thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll, you know, continue this conversation. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you'll be continued on your podcasts behind the Bastards and
Speaker 1: it could happen here. That's that's very true. Jack. All right, Robert,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We will be
Speaker 1: right back and we're back, and let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: McDonald's ice cream machine getting news. What we needed to
Speaker 1: get you this all time. Not a lot to see here,
Speaker 1: just capitalism working extremely well. Um So, for anyone who
Speaker 1: who missed our first update on McDonald's ice cream machines,
Speaker 1: they are notoriously out of order. Um Like you know,
Speaker 1: there there are websites, there are apps even that are
Speaker 1: used to track whether a McDonald's ice cream machine is
Speaker 1: in order or not because the percentages that get thrown
Speaker 1: around or like between ten and of the time they're
Speaker 1: out of order. But in my experience it's been Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, um, how often are you guys getting your
Speaker 1: ice cream from McDonald's. Have you ever had mclurry you
Speaker 1: would understand. Okay, it's not the card is all so
Speaker 1: good guys, serve ice cream? Is that? Yeah? Man, we've
Speaker 1: got we've got ice cream shoves done here. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: American over here. That's it. In what I have to
Speaker 1: imagine if anybody could please leak the pitch dock for
Speaker 1: the sale of these machines, like the signing of the deal,
Speaker 1: I have to imagine it rivals the PEPSI logo redesign
Speaker 1: like for just like bullshit capitalism, like buzzwords. But they've
Speaker 1: signed a contract to buy all their ice cream machines
Speaker 1: from one company called Taylor. Taylor outfitted those ice cream
Speaker 1: machines with a proprietary computerized interface. So the machines that
Speaker 1: they bought from this company like promptly didn't work for ship.
Speaker 1: McDonald's had to start spending money every time one broke
Speaker 1: down to pay said company to fix them. Uh, since
Speaker 1: they had this proprietary computerized interface that like nobody else
Speaker 1: knew how to operate the company was making of their
Speaker 1: revenue off of just repairing McDonald's ice cream machines, like
Speaker 1: from that, not just they're not just their McDonald's revenue,
Speaker 1: like all their revenue across the whole company, like a
Speaker 1: quarter was just repairing their own I just want to
Speaker 1: because I feel like this is gonna be a Taylor.
Speaker 1: But if you sell, if you menaged to sell it
Speaker 1: a contract for your soft machines to McDonald's, right, hats off. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: if you know that those are faulty machines, you're the
Speaker 1: only person who can first them. Got got McDonald's. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you had a good runs mostly done this scam story.
Speaker 1: Yet I'm literally about to tweet it at her because
Speaker 1: this is in history. I think McDonald's pr was intelligent.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, listen, we really want to pay our
Speaker 1: employees more. We would, but already that's Taylor's fault. Okay.
Speaker 1: If Taylor fixes our I sreaking permanently, everyone gets two
Speaker 1: dollaries an hour, and then when people go back to McDonald's,
Speaker 1: I feel I'm really seeing the dominoes here. So the
Speaker 1: problem with that is that the people who signed the
Speaker 1: deal with Taylor in the first place, which was a
Speaker 1: stupid fucking deal obviously, like, uh, presumably that's a matter
Speaker 1: of perspective, right, it's a bad deal, bad deal for McDonald's.
Speaker 1: They still work for McDonald's and therefore they don't want
Speaker 1: to admit it was a bad deal, so they just
Speaker 1: doubled down on this relationship. A company named Kitch k
Speaker 1: y t H company N yes, yes, uh Kitch came
Speaker 1: through and started making essentially a game genie. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys like our old old timey gamers,
Speaker 1: but like this was a thing you could plug into
Speaker 1: a Sega and Nintendo and it would just like make
Speaker 1: it so you could like you had unlimited lives and
Speaker 1: like the rules basically didn't apply to you. Like they
Speaker 1: made a game Childhood for the for the McDonald's ice
Speaker 1: cream machines that basically allowed people who worked at McDonald's
Speaker 1: to work the ice cream machines without calling Taylor to
Speaker 1: come through and like do the do that thing again.
Speaker 1: My inclination is to side with Tyler here, No, unlike
Speaker 1: I side with Nintendo Saga. If you you know, you're
Speaker 1: only cheating yourself if you get Infinity lives, You're not
Speaker 1: learning any lessons when you're gaming, right, and if you
Speaker 1: want to pull an ice cream you shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to do that easy if you if you're operating these machines,
Speaker 1: it sounds like it should be a challenge. I have
Speaker 1: a theory that Taylor it's somehow involved with Kitch, and
Speaker 1: because I understand that capitalism is all about speaking people
Speaker 1: into giving you more money, and frequently people will create
Speaker 1: shell companies to be like, I know, look this one
Speaker 1: right here, it's so good, Like we've got you covered
Speaker 1: from all sides. You can't escape our business prowess. Well,
Speaker 1: they were involved with them in the sense that they
Speaker 1: took Kitch's invention, like basically reverse engineered it and then
Speaker 1: like put Kitch out of order by getting McDonald's to
Speaker 1: send a company wide like memo being like never used
Speaker 1: the Kitch thing ever. Which again, so McDonald's is on
Speaker 1: Taylor's side because they, you know, signed the deal together
Speaker 1: that was a bad and not efficient, and you know,
Speaker 1: the people who are suffering here, unfortunately, are not the
Speaker 1: people who signed that deal in the first place. It's
Speaker 1: the employees who are having to work this broken fucking
Speaker 1: ice cream machine that doesn't work, and head to like
Speaker 1: that were reduced to like going on the black market
Speaker 1: to find a game genie for their ice cream machine.
Speaker 1: Like that's how much it ruined their job. I I
Speaker 1: I smelled opportunity for Jack O'Brien soft se king. You crew,
Speaker 1: you travel across America and you help out these employees
Speaker 1: by showing them good soft se technique. Yes, so the documents,
Speaker 1: I get the feeling it has little to do with
Speaker 1: they're not having good technique, which I am a little
Speaker 1: bit like when when I get a McDonald's soft serve,
Speaker 1: I'm like call that a fucking are we are? We? Seriously,
Speaker 1: they don't like a little baby like little columns. No,
Speaker 1: it's fine, Joe, that's fine. It's just it could be better,
Speaker 1: um when it's working. But so basically the documents have
Speaker 1: revealed Taylor was sending emails being like, we gotta make
Speaker 1: one as good as Kitch, like Kitches eating our lunch
Speaker 1: and just like basically openly copying their thing while trying
Speaker 1: to put them out of business. It's like anti competitive.
Speaker 1: And this Wired article just makes a good point that
Speaker 1: this is essentially actually it's a quote from one of
Speaker 1: the Kitch employees. I think Kitch founders who said, you
Speaker 1: might compare this to the F thirty five. It's like,
Speaker 1: does Lockheed really want to finish this airplane or do
Speaker 1: they want another one million dollar contract to fix some
Speaker 1: component on the old one. It's like that is the
Speaker 1: truth about how money is mostly spent in the economy,
Speaker 1: in the American economy is it's like all these you know,
Speaker 1: back door deals and like people bring their own ass
Speaker 1: for making a stupid decision that then affects people who
Speaker 1: you know, had nothing to do with the decision and
Speaker 1: have to like, you know, work with us on a
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Is it is there a parallel
Speaker 1: to Theroanos where it's like we've got this great thing
Speaker 1: and you tell everyone and you sell it to them,
Speaker 1: and then people go, it's not quite working, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you're right, but what we need is a little bit
Speaker 1: more seed money, and then we're going to get this
Speaker 1: thing working so good you're not gonna freaking believe it.
Speaker 1: And then you just see how long you can stretch
Speaker 1: the life for. You know, when you're a kid and
Speaker 1: you're assume that adults are across everything, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: just that. It's like you assume you know, everyone knows
Speaker 1: how everything works, but everyone's an idiot. Yeah, just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I want to help mydalds out here now because
Speaker 1: of a definity of love for McDonald's or anything, but
Speaker 1: just because like what if you guys and and hear
Speaker 1: me out, just stop selling ice We're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: the machine is broken. We're just not gonna use it
Speaker 1: anymore and we're not gonna buy anymore. And it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. What percentage of ice cream sales is McDonald's
Speaker 1: like really, because it's like a dollar for can I
Speaker 1: just really feel like they can go without and then
Speaker 1: once that tailor contract expires, they could just be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna pivot and I don't know, like sart
Speaker 1: to do with Bengerry. He's okay, it's really gonna just upgrade.
Speaker 1: You can sell it for more money. More people are
Speaker 1: going to come through. There's gonna be a solution here
Speaker 1: that doesn't involve you. I just don't like when people
Speaker 1: get screwed with. It really hurts my feelings. I feel like,
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? Why? More than that hate
Speaker 1: wasting money. I don't understand how like so much money
Speaker 1: has been wasted so many valuable man hours. What are
Speaker 1: we doing this? I don't understand anything. I feel like
Speaker 1: as soon as the Taylor contract expires will be a
Speaker 1: new sales rip from a hot new company called Tyler
Speaker 1: who shows up with I understand you had trouble with
Speaker 1: some ice crew machines. I was. I just spent an
Speaker 1: hour and a half food shopping on my local uh
Speaker 1: Kroger late last night, and uh it's because they completely
Speaker 1: reshuffled where everything is in the krograp and I got
Speaker 1: to the you know, check out, and as I got
Speaker 1: to the check out, a armed security guard came in
Speaker 1: looking for a bottle of liquor and asked asked the
Speaker 1: person who was checking me out, like where it was,
Speaker 1: and he was like, he used to be in like
Speaker 1: six but I honestly like don't know where the funk
Speaker 1: anything is anymore. And then we just had a good,
Speaker 1: a nice little like five minute complain about like how
Speaker 1: we don't understand why they do it, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, somebody who gets paid way
Speaker 1: more than me decided to do this and doesn't have
Speaker 1: to deal with this ship at all. Well, the thing
Speaker 1: is to make it more difficult for you to shop like.
Speaker 1: It's a very specific tactic because if you know where
Speaker 1: everything is, you can go in and grab what you
Speaker 1: want and get out. But if you don't know where
Speaker 1: everything is, you have to peruse the aisles and suddenly
Speaker 1: you know you're picking up I don't know the new
Speaker 1: top to Ben and Jerry's, but the caramel and it
Speaker 1: so fucking good, or you know whatever, like because it
Speaker 1: used to be like all of your Like you go
Speaker 1: to any quarcry store, ever, you go to the left
Speaker 1: and that's where your vegetables and fruits are. You come
Speaker 1: to the door, all your veges and fruits are here
Speaker 1: back wall, it's all of your dairy products right and
Speaker 1: down the sides, and got anything else that needs to
Speaker 1: be refrigerated but indirectly dairy related. And then you know
Speaker 1: your eyles are chopped up. However those are chopped up.
Speaker 1: Typically you're working your way into more processed sugar things, um,
Speaker 1: but then they switch it up, so you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta really get in there and look for what you
Speaker 1: want and hopefully buy more things. Is this the American way?
Speaker 1: In New Zealand, it's totally different. You go they're all
Speaker 1: these they're all open air and they're not shells. You'm
Speaker 1: just with HISSI and sex and they walk around and
Speaker 1: they waved, they waved their whiz and yeah, you're again
Speaker 1: bragging about his like beautiful board plan comes from God.
Speaker 1: We have to get out of your man. I'd feel
Speaker 1: a lot less stupid if I hadn't gone in just
Speaker 1: looking for s os PAN scrubbing pads and come out
Speaker 1: with like two dollars worth of groceries. I think I
Speaker 1: think they fucking got me. Joel. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than doing that. And you're carrying around
Speaker 1: the little basket and you like this will cover everything,
Speaker 1: that's right, then you're playing Tetris with your groceries. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: well guy Joel as well. It's been such a pleasure
Speaker 1: having both of you. Guys. Where can people find you
Speaker 1: and follow you? You can find me in Auckland at
Speaker 1: my house and that's been true for a long time.
Speaker 1: But if that is not enough for you can find
Speaker 1: me online, which is Twitter and Instagram at guy under School.
Speaker 1: Mont and I recently released am I self released on
Speaker 1: band camp A stand up show, My hour long stand
Speaker 1: up show from earlier this year when it was legal
Speaker 1: to do stand up comedy in this country. Um, it's
Speaker 1: called Guy Montgomery by name, Guy Montgomery by nature, and
Speaker 1: it's it's five US dollars on band camp, which I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure is like, um, a dime for you guys.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's it's great value. Yeah, awesome that
Speaker 1: I will be going to buy that right after we
Speaker 1: end this meeting. Uh. And is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a tweet I saw the other day that
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, the word economy on this
Speaker 1: is out of sight. It's by a Twitter user at
Speaker 1: arson Doer, so pretty incriminating handle. But the tweet was
Speaker 1: if smoking so bad, why does it cure salmon? I
Speaker 1: mean beautiful, so perfect and such a perfect dad joke
Speaker 1: and in line with the sensibility of the show that
Speaker 1: it has been used before. But we we will allow
Speaker 1: account account beat this is I like, I knew I
Speaker 1: was coming on the show a week ago, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna put that to the side, and
Speaker 1: then you know, so I'm dirty dog in the trade.
Speaker 1: I think it was Miles, So you complain it, Uh, Joel,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? What is the tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Yes, you can find me all over the internet.
Speaker 1: Actual when he gets j O E L E E
Speaker 1: M O and I Q you E yes um, Shelle
Speaker 1: Ce Clark on Twitter tweet something is really beautiful. I
Speaker 1: believe in science from the universe, little gifts here and
Speaker 1: there if you're looking for them. I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: a lot of small but impactful changes, as my therapist
Speaker 1: likes to call them. Uh, it's not easy, but Michelle
Speaker 1: Clark said, staying committed to healthy daily habits is like
Speaker 1: writing a series of love letters to your future self.
Speaker 1: And it really resonated with me, And if you're also
Speaker 1: trying to make a little, small and significant changes for
Speaker 1: a better life, hopefully resonates with you too. That's nice.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter. Jack Underscore O'Brien a
Speaker 1: couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Jamie Loftus at Jamie
Speaker 1: Loftus help. What is a holiday but a family member
Speaker 1: calling you Mrs fucking Hollywood when you refused to eat
Speaker 1: spaghetti from a zip lock bag and then Tom Gara
Speaker 1: just gave us a little piece of nonfiction that has
Speaker 1: stuck with me since I read it earlier this morning. Uh,
Speaker 1: he said, A tragic airplane moment. We've been sitting on
Speaker 1: the tarmac waiting to take off for two hours. The
Speaker 1: guy in front of us fell asleep immediately upon boarding.
Speaker 1: He just woke up and started getting ready to get
Speaker 1: off the plane. He thought we'd landed. My wife broke
Speaker 1: the news to him. Mabe's I've I've been that guy
Speaker 1: in a slightly I would say, even more disciding situation,
Speaker 1: which was I was at White when the plane took off,
Speaker 1: and I fell asleep once we were in the sky,
Speaker 1: and then we got to where we're meant to land,
Speaker 1: but it was too windy to land, and so the
Speaker 1: plane circled back and landed at the original airport. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. When I woke up and was like, all
Speaker 1: right all the night time? Man? Uh all right. Well,
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