Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eleven, Episode
Speaker 1: two of Jo Days, the production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, No, which
Speaker 1: means it's National Education Support Professionals Day, which yeah, that
Speaker 1: includes secretaries, classroomates, cafeteria workers, maintenance workers, bus draford, everyone
Speaker 1: who supports educators, school leadership, and the students. To shout
Speaker 1: out to Ali, y'all, did you ever have a person
Speaker 1: in this category that you remember fondly, like, not a teacher,
Speaker 1: but just on the I guess the support professionals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the the front office at Normandy Elementary School
Speaker 1: and Dayton, Ohio. The person who like answered the phone
Speaker 1: and was sort of the office manager in the Principle's
Speaker 1: office was like probably the faith I remember her more
Speaker 1: than I remember the principle. I don't know who the
Speaker 1: principle was, but I can still picture her face and
Speaker 1: hear her voice. I remember the one of the maintenance
Speaker 1: guys in my elementary school, This guy, Steve. He like
Speaker 1: I was in like the video like yearbook class in
Speaker 1: eighth grade until we run around with his camera like jackass.
Speaker 1: That we didn't know what we're doing. We're like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: say something to the class to blah blah blah, like
Speaker 1: shout him out, you have any words of wisdom And
Speaker 1: this dude, this guy was very few words ever spoken
Speaker 1: by this guy. He looked straight in the camera and
Speaker 1: he said, what is Air? Who are you really? That
Speaker 1: my passage? And we were like, yo, Steve, okay, thank you,
Speaker 1: and also shout out Marvi's the bus driver who would
Speaker 1: always drive our sports team. Yeah, what did I say
Speaker 1: the wrong episode number at the top? Yes, sorry, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's on me. It's the group effort. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is episode three. They know, they know. Okay, Well, my
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien. A K. I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: a shark to come and bite into these thick thighs.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for miscan to slap and knock out
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Speaker 1: how is my wife? Yeah, waiting for Thanksgiving? It's the
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Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles ground Man. He got forty months
Speaker 1: in fifteen days, try to take a life away. Oh,
Speaker 1: subpoenas fly every night and get snubbed the next day.
Speaker 1: Week sentences from d o j oh. Since they're white man,
Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want. They can home. Remember
Speaker 1: they us meet with Julie Yanni in a fancy restaurant.
Speaker 1: But nothing Yeah, nothing can make that big lie true
Speaker 1: because we came within a hair, within a hair of
Speaker 1: a coop. Okay, shout out to Marky Mark Grillius for
Speaker 1: that very a total Offfitch version of Princes. Yes, Prince
Speaker 1: not send O'Connor's nothing compares to you. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I had to hit you with. The uh just
Speaker 1: a little, a little bit look in a panic and
Speaker 1: it's hard. You know, I'll never do Prince properly. So look,
Speaker 1: it was a harrowing affair for everyone, not just you
Speaker 1: the listener. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 1: our third seat by a comic writer and sex workers
Speaker 1: rights advocate who hosts the oldest professional podcast. Please welcome,
Speaker 1: the brilliant, the talent. Take Caitlyn Bailey so much for
Speaker 1: having me. I'm thrilled to be here. I'm so I
Speaker 1: don't have a song for air. Well, what's your karaoke song?
Speaker 1: That's what I do when people ever say that. Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's probably Miranda Lambert's Gunpowder and Lead. Hell yeah, all right, yeah, hardcore.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a way to improve that,
Speaker 1: but we will not. I don't. Maybe I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't have that personality, right right, Yeah, it's my attention
Speaker 1: wore buttons have been hit. I'm not. I don't want
Speaker 1: it that back fully depressed, no need to active. We
Speaker 1: hit ours every day. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're in North Carolina. What's North Carolina? Like? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: am in Raleigh, North Carolina. We do fall real nice
Speaker 1: down here we are. Yeah, tree good showing you know,
Speaker 1: the city of Oaks. It's nice. Oh is that? Oh
Speaker 1: is that like the nicknames? Yeah, yeah, that's our thing.
Speaker 1: We dropped at acorn every New Year's you know, like
Speaker 1: instead of the ball, it's an acorn. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: real thing. Oh, we're great. It's very it's the capital.
Speaker 1: You know, we read. We starts trying a lot of
Speaker 1: PhDs in the area, right right. We it's cute. We
Speaker 1: do we do it cute. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: listeners in North Carolina. We gotta make a show. We
Speaker 1: gotta make a trip out there. You should calm. Durham's
Speaker 1: really cool, a lot of great performance spaces. There's a
Speaker 1: neat comedy scene here. Yeah, because it's funny. Whenever I
Speaker 1: read I feel like every in flight magazine I was reading,
Speaker 1: like in the Ots was about like, dude, you gotta
Speaker 1: come to Ralegh Durham, Like it's changing. The old tobacco
Speaker 1: mills now a funky art house. And that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that all of that happened. You haven't been lied to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's and I'm just like very I just would
Speaker 1: always like flip through the pages on a flight, like, damn,
Speaker 1: that's cool. That looks like an old fuckingdoral like tobacco facility.
Speaker 1: And now that they're selling chot Skys in there, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a real thing. My aunt in Montclair
Speaker 1: has been like looking at like old cigar factory, you know,
Speaker 1: apartments in in Durham. It's like the cool place to
Speaker 1: be cool. Oh is that kind of like the flow
Speaker 1: of like how the buildings are turning over historically, like
Speaker 1: the ones like historical tobacco infrastructure buildings are now like
Speaker 1: great live work lofts. Yeah yeah, do you want your
Speaker 1: condo to come with charm? Then? You know things needed?
Speaker 1: You know, we have history down here. By the charm
Speaker 1: is a tobacco laden patina on all the way? Do
Speaker 1: you mean brick you can't insulate? We got you? Is
Speaker 1: it getting cold there too? Uh? I mean, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's all relative. You know, we
Speaker 1: have all the seasons, right, there's a reason to buy boots,
Speaker 1: but like not for long. I love that because we're
Speaker 1: in l a. It's shorts or pants. That's it. By
Speaker 1: the way, this might be something you notice as we
Speaker 1: go along, but all research that we do on this
Speaker 1: show is done in in flight magazines from the early auts. Ye,
Speaker 1: so yeah, just be aware of that. You guys do like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, an annotated BIB at the
Speaker 1: end of your show. Oh yeah, yeah, we do footnotes
Speaker 1: and it's all They all link off to various departures magazines. Alright, well, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in a moment. It first, we're gonna tell our
Speaker 1: listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about why Wall Street gouls shouldn't be reporting on
Speaker 1: the economy maybe, even though that seems to be the
Speaker 1: default at this point. Is like, if you're going to
Speaker 1: talk about anything having to do with money, you need
Speaker 1: to have spent your time in the trenches at Morgan
Speaker 1: Stanley or some Yeah, we're gonna talk about the University
Speaker 1: of Austin, which we've all been, you know, following with
Speaker 1: bated breath here Bari Weie's university that is somehow related
Speaker 1: to Austin. There they have a house in Austin that
Speaker 1: I think they airbnbid for the press release. But they
Speaker 1: they lost two of their biggest names, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: laugh at them a little bit. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the show You because Laura Ingram has brought it to
Speaker 1: you know. You know how sometimes you'll listen to a
Speaker 1: podcasts that talks about a piece of culture, like Last
Speaker 1: Culturesta is one of my favorite podcast They talked about
Speaker 1: Survivor for a while and it made me almost want
Speaker 1: to watch Survivor. Well, another one of my favorite cultural commentators,
Speaker 1: Laura Ingraham, just talked about the show You, and so
Speaker 1: we're gonna w Yeah, she's she had some hot takes,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about why the New York
Speaker 1: City subways are the last bastion of purity and innocence,
Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Oh,
Speaker 1: the last couple of things I was googling, like Horus,
Speaker 1: who was a Greek mime in ancient Rome who was
Speaker 1: also a courtisan. So for the podcast and then also
Speaker 1: parts for nineteen seven Nissan that I guess I'm responsible for.
Speaker 1: So that's been a journey. Yeah, who's like what you said,
Speaker 1: Like Horus is the name? Yeah, like Chorus, which I
Speaker 1: don't I haven't talked to. I'm not confident that's how
Speaker 1: you pronounced it. But like she's Yeah, she was awesome.
Speaker 1: She was born sort of the the end of the Republic.
Speaker 1: She was a lover to Mark Anthony, sort of you
Speaker 1: know when he was Anthony. Okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: no no not that say that'd be great, but no, no no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, it's great. So she's um yeah, and she
Speaker 1: rose to prominence and was like treated as a respectable
Speaker 1: woman and SISTERO had a problem with it and told
Speaker 1: her to shut her Hormouth and Mark Anthony was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've done what I can and she disappeared
Speaker 1: her mystery so her story, so Cistero was like, we
Speaker 1: don't want somebody with some we don't need sex positivity
Speaker 1: in her. Yeah, absolutely, you can't be. You can't be
Speaker 1: forcing my wife to meet this woman at parties and stuff.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep her where the sluts live. You know,
Speaker 1: it was the rules. What was the wait? So and
Speaker 1: back in those times, was it you know, what was
Speaker 1: sort of the hierarchy, like was it is it a
Speaker 1: completely impossible feat for her to get to the Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. You know. So Rome is like way
Speaker 1: more patriarchal and like misogynistic than ancient Greece. Right, So
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece, you know priestess prostitutes or like goddesses
Speaker 1: that sir or you know, like priestesses that serve the
Speaker 1: goddess through sacred sex and something that we would sort
Speaker 1: of recognize as like high end you know, like high
Speaker 1: art performance sex work that is still happening today. Right,
Speaker 1: So we those people had social power and there were
Speaker 1: like temples and systems and like places carved out, so
Speaker 1: like Phrynes and ancient Greek courtessan who was tried for
Speaker 1: blasphemy because she got like up a day or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she bared her breasts to the jury and basically
Speaker 1: said like my you know, my tits are divine, and
Speaker 1: fight me if you disagree, and she won, right, and
Speaker 1: she's right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and like yeah no, I
Speaker 1: mean they're that that's that's God, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so that's ancient Greece. Courtisans in ancient Rome no
Speaker 1: such power. There was a lot more restriction on their
Speaker 1: freedom of movement, and specifically they're sort of like a
Speaker 1: scent into social circles, so it was actually illegal for it.
Speaker 1: Had marg Anthony married this woman, he would have, by
Speaker 1: default and by Roman law, lost his rank, right, but
Speaker 1: like also he would have lost his rank. And like
Speaker 1: ancient Roman politicians or whatever, and folks in the military
Speaker 1: would lose their rank if they ever performed on a stage.
Speaker 1: So like that association of like actress and sex work
Speaker 1: or like performer and you know, salaciousness or whatever goes
Speaker 1: way back. And ancient Roman minds, like you know, they're
Speaker 1: not they're not the mimes of today. They're not the
Speaker 1: silent kind. It's actually a predecessor to comedy more than
Speaker 1: comedy in the like the theater tradition, which is like
Speaker 1: way stricter and scripted and had a lot more rules.
Speaker 1: This was just like improv on current events, which is
Speaker 1: what you guys do. Okay, So are the courtesans Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hors and gestures have occupied the same position the whole exactly.
Speaker 1: And we just and we just give our heart takes
Speaker 1: for Casper mattresses. We're all playing to the pleasure of
Speaker 1: the king. Are there cultures that like we're less patriarchal
Speaker 1: and we're more accepting of sex work than Rome? Like
Speaker 1: what are stuff? That's impossible? Man? The greatest hits Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we are in the Roman tradition and
Speaker 1: like we assume that we are like progressive, but we're
Speaker 1: actually compared to other cultures throughout history, we kind of
Speaker 1: centuries behind. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 1: about like different beliefs around like women and gender and
Speaker 1: bodies that provides like a way better foundation. Right in
Speaker 1: indigenous communities across North America. There's also like in Brazil
Speaker 1: and India, there's a long tradition here ancient Greece when
Speaker 1: you're talking to out like the Western tradition is sort
Speaker 1: of like when my when my story of history, which
Speaker 1: is like way oversimplified, right, I do ten thousand years
Speaker 1: and seventy five minutes, right, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: erasure and oversimplification that happens. But like I kind of
Speaker 1: pin ancient Greece is like the briny waters where like
Speaker 1: we see patriarchy, right, we start to do lineage through
Speaker 1: the dad, but goddesses that engage in the erotic arts
Speaker 1: still have real power. Yeah, that's cool. And we go
Speaker 1: through phases, right, Like the medieval period is like another upstart.
Speaker 1: Then you have like you know, the witch burnings, and
Speaker 1: you have like you know, the the descent of disease.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but there's my favorite topic, and I'll you know,
Speaker 1: I will corner you know it. It's always frustrating when
Speaker 1: we have a guest on who's like, oh, the thing
Speaker 1: you talked about in your podcast is way more interesting
Speaker 1: than the news. We should just talk about that the
Speaker 1: whole time. But well, we'll try and fit in some news,
Speaker 1: but I want to keep talking about this. What's something
Speaker 1: you think is over you know, I think the police
Speaker 1: are overrated they're like pretty new in society, and they
Speaker 1: always they like by design protect property and not people.
Speaker 1: And we should either get like real honest about that
Speaker 1: and ask ourselves questions about how we want our tax
Speaker 1: dollars used, or we should you know, hey, other people
Speaker 1: to do this protected serve thing, because like that's not
Speaker 1: what they do. What what did people used to do
Speaker 1: before the police? Like you had a night's watchman, which
Speaker 1: was often a punishment right, so if you like, it
Speaker 1: was often given to drunkard's right who would be forced
Speaker 1: to like walk around the village or whatever, and like
Speaker 1: because they're they're often found sleeping on their posts. You know,
Speaker 1: you had it was you know, it's community relationships, community vigilance.
Speaker 1: You do have. You know, villages will get together and
Speaker 1: like tell you that you have to sit with your
Speaker 1: hands and head and the wouldn't thing and people throw
Speaker 1: eggs and insults at you and we call it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily better, but like we still do that in
Speaker 1: my household, but it's more a yeah, let them let
Speaker 1: me know im garbage. The community aspect of it really
Speaker 1: seems to be like the because that's something we're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot in the Zeitgeist and just in like modern
Speaker 1: culture is that like there's this abstraction from like humans
Speaker 1: by nature are like part of communities that like, you know,
Speaker 1: solve problems together and have relations and you know, value
Speaker 1: to one another and care what other people think of them,
Speaker 1: and like care about people and like spend their time
Speaker 1: solving each other's problems. And by like we've we've reached
Speaker 1: this point in capitalism where like not only are like
Speaker 1: workers like being like abstracted to like numbers on a
Speaker 1: spreadsheet that like corporations are you know, adding and subtracting
Speaker 1: and you know, moving around, but like that's almost like
Speaker 1: per aided too, you know, social media to like how
Speaker 1: we interact with each other, Like we don't even see
Speaker 1: one another, We don't even really interact with one another
Speaker 1: other than like in these very like abstract ways. So
Speaker 1: I think it's like now especially difficult for people to
Speaker 1: imagine a world without police because they assume, well, you
Speaker 1: need some abstract like job that we're just like assigning
Speaker 1: and paying to do the thing, as opposed to like, no,
Speaker 1: you're part of a community that looks out for one another,
Speaker 1: and that's how you like protect each other and you
Speaker 1: know stay safe. Yeah, we did a we did a
Speaker 1: couple of really dangerous things. Right. We equated justice with
Speaker 1: violence and punishment, right, and then you know, we we're
Speaker 1: suffering from a crisis of isolation of like you know,
Speaker 1: solitary confinement and the way that we sort of like
Speaker 1: you know, remove people from society both as part of
Speaker 1: like the punishment system that we have and then also increase, seemingly,
Speaker 1: as you said, with work. You know, we sort of
Speaker 1: can look to what's happening in in China right now,
Speaker 1: where people are spending nearly twenty hours a day or whatever,
Speaker 1: like in a in a room behind a screen doing
Speaker 1: like various jobs. We're doing that to ourselves, like we're
Speaker 1: and it's grounded in this idea of I don't know,
Speaker 1: individualism and vigilante ism. That's so much a part of
Speaker 1: the American story. But I feel like we've really gotten
Speaker 1: like drunk on violence for lack of a better termament
Speaker 1: and it reflects in the systems that we create, and
Speaker 1: like our prison system is one reflection of that, but
Speaker 1: like our work systems also reflect those values. Right. It's
Speaker 1: almost like there's a there's like a line between like
Speaker 1: how hard is your job and is that a job?
Speaker 1: Then you know? But then but then that's the question
Speaker 1: stops being asked when you get to the C suite
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm sorry, what do you do here again?
Speaker 1: Because you get paid the most, so I'd imagine your
Speaker 1: hands must be bloodied with all the hard Yeah. It
Speaker 1: turns out that the top job is to take really
Speaker 1: good care of yourself, and we just doing more of that,
Speaker 1: right right, Oh yeah, that's a myth that I feed
Speaker 1: you all. So yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want me
Speaker 1: to look good and sound good at interviews, I have
Speaker 1: to sleep and that means I have to move my
Speaker 1: body every day. And that's why this trainer is on
Speaker 1: company payroll. I get it. But the protect property not
Speaker 1: people thing is such a pervasive value. Like we're seeing
Speaker 1: that in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial right now, Like he
Speaker 1: went there to protect property and kill people, and the
Speaker 1: judges like, yeah, now that's we can't call them victims
Speaker 1: because he was protecting property. He was cleaning fucking graffiti
Speaker 1: off buildings. So he's a fucking hero like that. And
Speaker 1: we really see the rise of police departments during this
Speaker 1: very this transition period in the US from childel slavery
Speaker 1: right to the prison industrial complex that we know today,
Speaker 1: this sort of like eighteen fifties through eighteen seventies, Like
Speaker 1: it's the descent of Jim Crow in the south right
Speaker 1: and Rovane polices slee targeting immigrant communities right in the north,
Speaker 1: and our criminal justice system and the laws that we
Speaker 1: write and the justification that we use for the labor
Speaker 1: exploitation that is happening right still in prisons today. Right,
Speaker 1: Like if you if you tell yourself a story about
Speaker 1: how if you were alive during slavery, you would have
Speaker 1: fought against it, Like you have that opportunity every day, right,
Speaker 1: Like this is a horrific human suffering that we continue
Speaker 1: to do on people, and its shape shifts and the
Speaker 1: language that we use to describe it changes, but the
Speaker 1: reality of it really doesn't. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's important to talk about the way that the
Speaker 1: way that police came up to hunt for runaway slaves
Speaker 1: in the south, right and to protect industrialists property in
Speaker 1: their absence at port cities in the North, and like
Speaker 1: that's the origin story. And and in a way like
Speaker 1: two Birds with chattel slavery, it's like it's it turns
Speaker 1: out that people are the property in this case. All yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we justify the whole thing by saying that what
Speaker 1: we were really doing was protecting white women. Right. This
Speaker 1: is when we see the white slave law right of
Speaker 1: nineteen ten. This is when we have this moral panic
Speaker 1: over white slavery, which is the same storyline that we
Speaker 1: see today in the kind of trafficking fears. Like I
Speaker 1: believe that we are living through another sex panic right
Speaker 1: in the wake of a racial reckoning, right that is
Speaker 1: going to be used to justify a violent crackdown on
Speaker 1: already oppressed communities, right, including sex workers. Right. And this
Speaker 1: idea that we're capturing the real predators. That's that's a
Speaker 1: very old story, yeah, one with a rotating cast of
Speaker 1: characters that were always there, but just this time it's
Speaker 1: played by this person or group. What is something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? Oh wow? Abortion? Yeah? I don't think
Speaker 1: we talk enough about, like literally how many lives that
Speaker 1: procedure has saved, right, both in like a literal medical
Speaker 1: necessity way and also in an expansion of opportunity. Right,
Speaker 1: Like we just failed as a country to pass you know,
Speaker 1: maternity leave, right, or to expand maternity leave. I feel
Speaker 1: like we really don't understand the toll of what it
Speaker 1: means to go through pregnancy, to give birth, right to
Speaker 1: have a human being. Like, I would like to live
Speaker 1: in a world where more people understand the realities of
Speaker 1: reproductive health care because it affects all of us, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that more people should be we should
Speaker 1: be telling our abortion stories, right. I think that this
Speaker 1: idea that it's a women's issue or people with uterus
Speaker 1: issue is narrow minded and the wake of what's happening
Speaker 1: in Texas, like I know a lot of like technically
Speaker 1: and also shockingly casually pro choice men that didn't grow
Speaker 1: up hearing the same stories I did about the horrific
Speaker 1: reality of what it is to live in a society
Speaker 1: where you don't have safe and legal access to abortion right,
Speaker 1: where the doctors in your community don't understand and how
Speaker 1: the reproductive system works, or like how to take care
Speaker 1: of you. And we should be living in a world
Speaker 1: where we share more of those stories. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think there's also I mean, it's it's interesting, especially as
Speaker 1: it relates to the parental leaf thing about how like
Speaker 1: barely many like men on the hill we're actually being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is good, Like it's like, no, that's that's
Speaker 1: let the let the women of Congress like try and
Speaker 1: you know, pull this thing along. When it's like again,
Speaker 1: then they're also revealing their very myopic understanding of what
Speaker 1: it means to be a parent or give birth or
Speaker 1: those things like well yeah, when really should be yes,
Speaker 1: because this helps fucking everyone, including you the dick have
Speaker 1: her in this equation. It's a benefit. So don't just think,
Speaker 1: well it's for them, I got to go to work, No, Like,
Speaker 1: this is valuable fucking time that you need to you know,
Speaker 1: become acclimated to your new family and you're transitioning into
Speaker 1: a new phase of your life. And I think it
Speaker 1: goes back to that myth of individualism thing, right, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that like we created or we invested a
Speaker 1: lot in this sort of false economy between like the
Speaker 1: public and the private sphere, right like home and work,
Speaker 1: and we all we are all multidimensional members of a community,
Speaker 1: right like and caretaking and helping to make sure that
Speaker 1: the next generation is set up. Like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more to do in the first three months
Speaker 1: after a child care they call it the fourth trimester,
Speaker 1: you know, like that babing. It's meant to be a
Speaker 1: community project. It's even overwhelming, I think for for two people.
Speaker 1: But we we have this idea, right that like the
Speaker 1: life death life cycle, the um. You know, whether you're
Speaker 1: talking about abortion or even like deathbed or like or
Speaker 1: giving birth, is this like secret and shamed element that
Speaker 1: like divorces us from what connects us to one another. Right,
Speaker 1: And I know that like that that sounds like radical
Speaker 1: and weird, but it really it comes down to this
Speaker 1: idea that we think that we can we think that
Speaker 1: we can erase people. Right. We see that with prisons,
Speaker 1: we see that with the way that industry works. In
Speaker 1: this idea that life and work are so separate from
Speaker 1: one another is what allows us to perpetuate these bananas
Speaker 1: policies that like people can't get paid time off after
Speaker 1: making a fucking baby. Right, yeah, well, ship, you wanna
Speaker 1: talk about Wall Street? Straight? Yeah? All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we will be right back and
Speaker 1: we're back. And so there's this sort of like centrist
Speaker 1: Quintonian version of America, Like what what is taken seriously
Speaker 1: that like starts and centers on Wall Street that I think,
Speaker 1: like if you turn on CNN, MSNBC, you know, any
Speaker 1: any of the like twenty four hour cable news networks
Speaker 1: like that, that idea still rules. They're like you still
Speaker 1: have like these talking heads who are going to be
Speaker 1: steeped in that, you know, who think that, like any
Speaker 1: serious idea has to like be feasible from a like
Speaker 1: corporate VC perspective basically. And so Miles you were pointing
Speaker 1: out that there's this Stephanie rule. There's a Stephanie rule. Character,
Speaker 1: there's a step rule. One of MSNBC is more popular
Speaker 1: anchors who has, you know, made some interesting statements about
Speaker 1: just kind of what's what's really going on with this
Speaker 1: US economy we got here? Oh, let me tell you
Speaker 1: what's really happening with in place. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: what let me tell a dirty little secret about America
Speaker 1: and all this stuff about we don't have enough money.
Speaker 1: So yes, I think again, very important thing to note
Speaker 1: about Stephanie rules. You know, prior to transitioning to the
Speaker 1: news or you know, Bloomberg whatever you wanna call that ship,
Speaker 1: she spent you know, like almost like fifteen years, almost
Speaker 1: two decades, you know, work in the world of finance,
Speaker 1: you know, starting as an intern at Merrill Lynch than
Speaker 1: doing hedge fund sales at Credit Sweets and Deutsche Bank.
Speaker 1: You know, like full on, just a child of Wall Street,
Speaker 1: of the markets with the worldview that's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you can explain everything with the stock market. And she
Speaker 1: really revealed herself in that worldview over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. It's funny because you know, I think last
Speaker 1: week Jack, I was like, yo, dude, I have to
Speaker 1: play this clip of Stephanie Rule where she's trying to
Speaker 1: explain like where like why the prices are going up?
Speaker 1: And we didn't talk about it because I was just
Speaker 1: more outraised and I was just like, you, you need
Speaker 1: to hear this thing now. So let's just first hear
Speaker 1: her take on you know, why these dang prices are
Speaker 1: actually going up. We don't have enough people to fill
Speaker 1: our current jobs and this argument they're going to be
Speaker 1: jobs at higher wages. Higher wages are one of the
Speaker 1: contributing factors to inflation. Hello, hello McFly, Thank you that
Speaker 1: somebody she's for to be a dean at Austin University
Speaker 1: or University of Austin. Sorry, because I'm glad somebody's finally
Speaker 1: speaking freely here. Yeah, when people know what's really going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love immediately trying to tinge people's pursuit
Speaker 1: of equitable pay as being the root cause of the
Speaker 1: consumer pain that they're excuien. See, that's the thing you
Speaker 1: guys got because this is how we pit people against
Speaker 1: each other. Again, those prices going up, it's because those
Speaker 1: people at John Deere want a fair shake at the
Speaker 1: wages that they're being paid or not paid. It's not
Speaker 1: because of the CEO s were not willing to budge
Speaker 1: on whatever fucking earnings reports they need to show stockholders
Speaker 1: and things like that. That's not what it is. It's
Speaker 1: these people whining about more work. You're like, oh cool.
Speaker 1: That one kind of flew under the radar, and then
Speaker 1: she then on Monday decided to really just like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: they're they're working with the first album. All right, here
Speaker 1: comes the Here comes the follow up. It called the
Speaker 1: Me Tell You the Dirty Little Secret about What's happening
Speaker 1: with America Because if you really need to know what's
Speaker 1: going on, here's again. I'll just play it for you
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk through what her assumptions are about
Speaker 1: Americans on the other side and the dirty little secret here, Willie, Well,
Speaker 1: nobody likes to pay more on average, we have the
Speaker 1: money to do. So house hit a record high over
Speaker 1: the pandemic. We didn't really have anywhere to go out
Speaker 1: and spend. And as we said a moment ago, we're
Speaker 1: expecting retail sales this holiday season to break records. For
Speaker 1: those who own their homes. The value of our homes
Speaker 1: are up. And while the stock market isn't the economy,
Speaker 1: you got over half of American households with some investment
Speaker 1: in the markets, and the markets have hit record highs.
Speaker 1: So we need to put all of this in perspective.
Speaker 1: This time last year when you and I were talking, Willie,
Speaker 1: nobody had a vaccine. Now two hundred million anyway, So guys,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like everyone, you saved so much fucking money
Speaker 1: during the pandemic that you don't know what to fucking
Speaker 1: buy right now. I mean, that's my main problem right
Speaker 1: now is I'm just overwhelmed with too much money and
Speaker 1: too many buying options. And that is what's hurting the economist.
Speaker 1: You know, you got stock markets. Every every millennial owns
Speaker 1: a home. What you winding up loser? She suffers from
Speaker 1: the disease of like my friends are fine, so yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: and also you know that what's that whole thing of
Speaker 1: like you can only have maybe at most one wrung
Speaker 1: down the social socioeconomic ladder as a friend been Like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go much further than that, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: each class group is aware of the group immediately below
Speaker 1: them and immediately above them, and then everything else. They
Speaker 1: even if they like hear about those people they like,
Speaker 1: can't even like think of them as actually existing and there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well yeah, it's awkward to have relationships past
Speaker 1: that because all of your advice is don't right. It's
Speaker 1: like all of the advice that rich people have is
Speaker 1: like have you considered spending money on a solution? And
Speaker 1: it's like that you know, like it doesn't you know
Speaker 1: the hard way to keep friends? To pay my student loans,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm I'm facing crippling debt from my student
Speaker 1: loans and I'm unable to pay for something. It's really important.
Speaker 1: It's important for you to pray wordize, Yeah, talk to
Speaker 1: any stripping Wall Street guys. Is kink is Man's playing,
Speaker 1: So like, none of this, none of this is a
Speaker 1: shock to me. But it's like no, no no, no, this
Speaker 1: spreadsheet makes it all makes sense. You up. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: then after this, you know, the outrage was after this clip,
Speaker 1: like even like market Watches, like Stephanie Rule kind of
Speaker 1: got burned by the pores for saying this stuff outloud
Speaker 1: on TV. And she then, like I think the next
Speaker 1: day was like on a different segment, sort of was
Speaker 1: able to articulates like and I get that there's you know,
Speaker 1: there's two America's here. There's actually seven thousand America's, but
Speaker 1: there's two Americas. There's me and my rich friends. And
Speaker 1: then like the people who like are like my babysitters
Speaker 1: who like Also, I've given them health insurance because I'm
Speaker 1: a good boss. But she's going to say, like, I
Speaker 1: get it, there are some people who are struggling to
Speaker 1: pay and those things. And he's like, and then she says,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 1: the prices are the same if you've got to get
Speaker 1: shoes or milk, you know what I mean. Like, it's
Speaker 1: not like there's like a other place you can actually
Speaker 1: upscale to infinity on shoes. That's a yeah, snap fact,
Speaker 1: it's Snapple fact. Yeah, And it really is a nightmare
Speaker 1: of of perspective. And like, I'll tell you that sex
Speaker 1: workers have been really struggling during the pandemic, not just
Speaker 1: because of the nature of our work, but because of
Speaker 1: you know, this is when a lot of banking ordinances happened, right,
Speaker 1: This is when port hubs stopped taking master Card. This
Speaker 1: is when we had the destabilizing like only fans conversation, Right,
Speaker 1: this is we're living in the wake of Sesta Fosta,
Speaker 1: which erased the places that sex worker he used to
Speaker 1: schedule and screen their clients, right, like back Page and
Speaker 1: rent Boy, and like remember Craigslist rotic services. Remember how
Speaker 1: much fun Craigslist rotic services was, Like you could just
Speaker 1: pull up people's crazy fantasies or whatever, like I'm looking
Speaker 1: for something, right, Like yeah, and that was taken away
Speaker 1: all in the name of I don't know, rescuing women
Speaker 1: from money and orgasms, which has been like the real
Speaker 1: thing that we've been waging war on for hundreds of years. Right.
Speaker 1: We don't fight terrorism, we don't fight violence, and we
Speaker 1: certainly don't fight poverty, but we're willing to wage a
Speaker 1: war on female orgasms and people making money. Right. The
Speaker 1: trend of like closing all those things down, Like, is
Speaker 1: that related to the pandemic? Liked it was it somehow,
Speaker 1: like you know, causally connected or is it just like
Speaker 1: those two things kind of happened. The impact for people
Speaker 1: living through that, right, Like the impact of losing your
Speaker 1: ability to make money online was compounded by the pandemics,
Speaker 1: right because like everyone, but I don't you know, I
Speaker 1: would say that like historically speaking, pulling way back times
Speaker 1: of plague, right, are not great for sex workers, right,
Speaker 1: So like you increase fear, right, you increase reaction, you
Speaker 1: increase a kind of mothering, right, But we really didn't
Speaker 1: see that with this crisis as much as we did
Speaker 1: like with the with the AIDS crisis. So I would
Speaker 1: say it's hard to say, Like I think that we
Speaker 1: we were looking at an increase of sort of like trafficking,
Speaker 1: hysteria and policing prostitution before the pandemic, and that trend
Speaker 1: is continued into it. And you know, we have the
Speaker 1: que stuff with where suddenly all these people are concerned
Speaker 1: about you know, sex trafficking and predominant, which is bananas
Speaker 1: because it's definitely happening in their church. But like they're
Speaker 1: not willing to have that conversation, right, you want to
Speaker 1: talk about like rampant sexual abuse, incest, you know, really
Speaker 1: like gross ship. Yeah, close knit cults are really where
Speaker 1: that's happening, right, yeah, yeah, look no further Damn. That's
Speaker 1: really interesting though about like that historical trend and because yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard you said that earlier and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: that makes a ton of sense for right now. It
Speaker 1: seems like we're having that, right. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we we lived through this, you know, the progressive era
Speaker 1: was a period of time. Like I think that there's
Speaker 1: a lot to learn from looking back, right of like,
Speaker 1: you know, technology changes, but people really don't. So we've
Speaker 1: been having the same conversations the whole time, right there.
Speaker 1: There was even a conversation in comedy right in the
Speaker 1: like eight ninety when they were like blackface is racist,
Speaker 1: and like there were all these comics that were like,
Speaker 1: there's this censorship and your and your Jacken can't make
Speaker 1: any kinds of jokes anymore, and so like you know,
Speaker 1: really it's you look for it, you'll find it. Sure.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, well let's talk about the University of
Speaker 1: Austin because I know I have my application out and
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to hear back. But Stephen Pinker and
Speaker 1: Robert J. Zimmer, who are like famous intellectuals in the
Speaker 1: world of you know, IVY leading academia, they were on
Speaker 1: like the board. They were basically like founding members. That's
Speaker 1: how it was presented in the press release, and they
Speaker 1: immediately upon the release of that press release resigned stepped
Speaker 1: down from their roles. They were just basically I think
Speaker 1: they thought they were like co signing the idea or
Speaker 1: like doing a favor to a friend, and like co signing.
Speaker 1: They did not know that they were going to be
Speaker 1: like in the headlines co signing this statement, which was
Speaker 1: also like very much like real universities don't want you
Speaker 1: to know the truth, and like they wanna write they're like, well,
Speaker 1: as as my position as a dean, I would say,
Speaker 1: we do want them to know exactly. So these are
Speaker 1: both people who are who, yeah, they're not going to
Speaker 1: co signe a thing. That's like other universities suck. They
Speaker 1: get all their money from like Harvard and Chicago University.
Speaker 1: So but it's just funny how much I don't know
Speaker 1: they like any sort of attempt at intellectual rigor by
Speaker 1: somebody on the right is just a house of cards
Speaker 1: that immediately like collapses in on itself. Yeah. No, there's
Speaker 1: a lot going on, right you know. It's like, on
Speaker 1: the one hand, I understand the rights contempt for like
Speaker 1: it's not accredited. You didn't get the magic paper with
Speaker 1: the magic words and the right order or whatever. And
Speaker 1: on the other hand, it's like, well, yeah, if it's not,
Speaker 1: like do these folks not know that you can just
Speaker 1: read like you don't need to pay, like this is
Speaker 1: join a book club. That's what you're actually looking for
Speaker 1: as a book club. A non accredited university with a
Speaker 1: bad press strategy. Don't promises in your pitch to rich
Speaker 1: famous people that you you don't live up to. That's
Speaker 1: a yeah, that's a great way to lose your fund
Speaker 1: day rights to be just a total comedy of errors
Speaker 1: because right now or at the like, signatories to it
Speaker 1: being like oh wait what I signed? Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that actually is this is actually conflicts a lot
Speaker 1: with what might No, sorry, it's actually something I wouldn't
Speaker 1: actually say out loud that I believe. So now wait
Speaker 1: till they get to the accreditation phase, Like what like
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean that feels like the big
Speaker 1: question mark, like, yeah, we'll get to that, right. I
Speaker 1: think if they get to the accreditation phase, that's a win, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think we're confident that this is going
Speaker 1: to open. Sure, well then it's like, okay, so are
Speaker 1: you ready for the title nine discussions based on all
Speaker 1: of this, because that's part of becoming accredited. And since
Speaker 1: you're so anti woke, I'm sure please tell us what
Speaker 1: you think about sex discrimination? Please? Is Liberty University accredited?
Speaker 1: Because I do feel like they can that's a win
Speaker 1: that they could get if they were like actually serious
Speaker 1: about it. Like there are plenty of just completely fucked
Speaker 1: unit cities, right, I mean there are a lot of
Speaker 1: them that are accredited. I remember, like Bob Jones University
Speaker 1: was not accredited and still managed to place people in
Speaker 1: like law school and medical school. And yeah, it is
Speaker 1: regionally accredited. Hell yeah, dog, there you go. Don't need
Speaker 1: to be nationally accredited when the Southern Association of Colleges
Speaker 1: and Schools as you're back. But anyways, yeah, it does
Speaker 1: feel like it is more of a press release with
Speaker 1: an Airbnb than an actual university. And yeah, just an
Speaker 1: attempt to like trigger the lips. I. I think you're right,
Speaker 1: and we were right. It's like, I feel like I
Speaker 1: hated every conversation that happened around this. They're like their
Speaker 1: school is wrong. It's like, let them open their book
Speaker 1: club in Austin. Who cares? Like, it's not like going
Speaker 1: to suddenly replace like actual institutions where people like, no, Mom,
Speaker 1: I forget Berkeley, I'm going to Austin. Now. Sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's people who would who would be
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, like, re revamping the way we do
Speaker 1: education is not a bad idea. I mean they also
Speaker 1: bring up, you know, like they could have a more
Speaker 1: lit promotional video than just like flashing all these names
Speaker 1: in black and white, like show the parties how fucking
Speaker 1: sick it would be to go to the universe Austin
Speaker 1: University or whatever. It's like, dude, we have pimps and
Speaker 1: hose parties and we don't care because we don't think
Speaker 1: that's problematic. Number one. Yeah, we throw the racist kind
Speaker 1: of Halloween parties. Thank god, dude. We do gangster gangster
Speaker 1: Night and it's all good. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: bring your forties and we get it. We're selling Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly like and we have a black we have black faculty.
Speaker 1: So it's all good baby, right, I think yeah, because
Speaker 1: Candice o Ones is teaching there too, right, good, No,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back, and uh, let's let's check in with
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram. She's got some hot takes on you. I
Speaker 1: mean hot take or just the funk don't Okay? So you,
Speaker 1: the show You has come up a few times now. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Chris was talking about it. A few weeks ago, someone
Speaker 1: was talking about you on the show on Netflix. And
Speaker 1: there's just there are these moments you get sometimes where
Speaker 1: you get these like genuine comedic moments that are born
Speaker 1: out of like just unintentional like conversations, misunderstandings. And somehow
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram man pick up your Abbot and Costello Award
Speaker 1: because she had another talking head, this guy Raymond Arroyo,
Speaker 1: on to just fucking cry about like woke storylines on
Speaker 1: TV shows and again how like woke ideology. It's like
Speaker 1: everywhere you turn, it's like seeing racism is bad. Um,
Speaker 1: so this is now their their segment where they go,
Speaker 1: oh man, this this is complained about something and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna play this in its entirety, because again, I
Speaker 1: want to let you know that Raymond or Royo is
Speaker 1: trying to bring up a storyline on the Netflix series
Speaker 1: You two dote to the politics and all those woke
Speaker 1: storylines and so many shows today. You know, I was
Speaker 1: watching an episode of You where measles came up. Wait
Speaker 1: wait wait when did I mention measles? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was on you? What? What? What? What was on me?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Right? I never what's on you?
Speaker 1: We never did. We never did a measles and vaccine
Speaker 1: episode of my Is this a joke? It was on you?
Speaker 1: It was on you, Raymond, I've never had measles. It
Speaker 1: was an episode of a show, Laura. What's it called
Speaker 1: you again? It's ham fisted. But no, they wrote that
Speaker 1: that was that was that was intentional. Oh no, Jack,
Speaker 1: don't take this from me. I think so, guys, we're
Speaker 1: just falling here, like no, yeah, I know it's his
Speaker 1: because you could tell the delivery of well of you.
Speaker 1: I think, not just being like there's a Netflix show
Speaker 1: called you, Laura, like what? Yeah? Sometimes people forget that
Speaker 1: their brainds work on TV. You know, I got it,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that's maybe maybe maybe that's just how
Speaker 1: how they are. But that was upsetting. That was yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was frustrating to watch me. I don't I didn't
Speaker 1: have the measles. That's not I'm just I'm impressed with
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram's confidence, right, Like, you know, I have way
Speaker 1: a fewer episodes of my show, and I'm not confident
Speaker 1: we haven't covered measles, you know what I mean. She
Speaker 1: was really ready to double down that Never in the
Speaker 1: history of the Laura Ingram Show has measles ever come up.
Speaker 1: Never because we don't believe in measles. Of course, it's
Speaker 1: the yeah, the left wing conspiracy to get us to
Speaker 1: you know, to make our children less smart. But yeah,
Speaker 1: all that to say, I don't know if the people
Speaker 1: from Greg gutt Felt wrote that, but I wanted so
Speaker 1: badly for that to be real. But you know, I
Speaker 1: guess that's It's the holiday season, so it's all about
Speaker 1: wishes at the moment. For me, it's just another piece
Speaker 1: of evidence that Fox News is getting into comedy and
Speaker 1: liberals are worried, which is the headline I think I've
Speaker 1: been reading for the last twenty years. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean here, I mean maybe you know they can they
Speaker 1: can take Chappelle Chappelle. Now, yeah, that's true. We might
Speaker 1: be interesting. Could you imagine he goes there, He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to use this the Chapelle Show, but for
Speaker 1: the right wing, Like oh, I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we're gonna pretend that, you know, comedy clubs haven't been
Speaker 1: owned by conservatives, like since the before the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like their clubhouses. But I guess that's the thing, is
Speaker 1: like the when are they They'll never be able to
Speaker 1: break through in that point where they're like God, the
Speaker 1: limbs always get the good TV shows, like where's our jankass?
Speaker 1: I guess it will happen for one season. Then people
Speaker 1: are like, funk this. I mean you're raising your eyebrows,
Speaker 1: like you really want to say something. What do you want?
Speaker 1: You know? I just I want to say that, Like,
Speaker 1: on a political level, it's really hard to combat a
Speaker 1: simple story with a more complex one. But art being
Speaker 1: able to tell complex stories wins. So like, I think
Speaker 1: our art is better because our capacity to hold multiple
Speaker 1: truths is bigger than the sort of like black and white,
Speaker 1: thinking of like victim villain narratives that like drives so
Speaker 1: much of stuff, like there are only two genders. Right,
Speaker 1: you broke the law, that's we can put you in
Speaker 1: a cage. Now that's the that's right. See isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, but I could us headed back towards there.
Speaker 1: There are these signs that we're headed back towards like
Speaker 1: the eighties again, where the eighties weren't like totally taken
Speaker 1: over by conservatives, but conservatives satanic panic. We've got the
Speaker 1: satanic panic. We've got inflation being like a huge like
Speaker 1: scare tactic that's coming up in the media and being
Speaker 1: blamed on the left, and just like generally like then,
Speaker 1: and I could see a world where, you know, Alex P.
Speaker 1: Keaton makes another like appearance where we start having like
Speaker 1: conservative like icons and movies that are like Rambo too,
Speaker 1: where he just goes back and like wins the Vietnam
Speaker 1: War like single handedly, like it's tacitly conservative, but not
Speaker 1: like overtly Yeah, no, I think you're right. I'm this
Speaker 1: is actually a conversation that I have with my husband
Speaker 1: of like I fear that you know, if we have children,
Speaker 1: they will be they will not enjoy the same freedoms
Speaker 1: that we had. Yeah, in terms of like how to live,
Speaker 1: how to live their life, right, I see like the
Speaker 1: bloods in the water in terms of like conflating right,
Speaker 1: queer culture sex workers right with violent exploitative perverts. Right,
Speaker 1: Like we're not going to stop the priests. We're not
Speaker 1: going to stop the football coaches, right, We're not going
Speaker 1: to stop the abuse of dads. But we can shut
Speaker 1: down bath houses, right, we can shut down poorn sets, right,
Speaker 1: we can shut down you know, illicit sex that's happening.
Speaker 1: And so like that conflation is old and we know
Speaker 1: where it leads, and yet here we are. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that kind of ties into the next story about
Speaker 1: the New York City subways. But this is something I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing happen on social media too, where anything
Speaker 1: that has to do with women's pleasure is being police.
Speaker 1: In this case, it is the products from Dame Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a sexy did what every company does? You
Speaker 1: buy ads, You put it on the subway and you say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this will drive traffic to our business. And
Speaker 1: when you look around, you're like, yeah, it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like there's any issue here. But it turns out the
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Transit authority may have violated their sacred oath to
Speaker 1: keep the subway system just completely free from offensive imagery
Speaker 1: and bastion for like you were saying, and just puritanical
Speaker 1: values and purity and innocence. Because they they almost let
Speaker 1: this company Dame run their ads, and so when they
Speaker 1: looked at it, they said, hmmm, like you're you're offering
Speaker 1: some toys even though they look nothing like you. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Like is there is there
Speaker 1: pink skin? Like is labia featured in these ads? There's
Speaker 1: just like a photo of a toy that you could
Speaker 1: deduce would create because everything is like it has to
Speaker 1: be like nine steps even harder for like because if
Speaker 1: it's dick pills, it'll be like, hey man, you want
Speaker 1: your cock to blow through this subway doors? You know what,
Speaker 1: we're both the National Monument. Let's not pretend. Yeah, right exactly,
Speaker 1: no nuance really there or like even for stuff like
Speaker 1: you know, they're pointing at things like you you're running
Speaker 1: ads for enhancement pills for e D from breast augmentation
Speaker 1: for the Museum of Sex, like right, like viagraas covered
Speaker 1: by insurance, but you know, abortions aren't right, and then
Speaker 1: know that we're showing like vague images because also like
Speaker 1: their toys don't look like, you know, they're not so
Speaker 1: phallic that someone's gonna be like, oh my god. Really,
Speaker 1: they're just like, oh, this is all very minimal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been to the I've been to the av Ens,
Speaker 1: and I've definitely seen some toys where I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: you should you shouldn't. That's a that's private, you know.
Speaker 1: So I totally get that. But I think that you're right,
Speaker 1: we have a visceral repulsion, right, And I think that
Speaker 1: we're equating sexual imagery with violence and it's it's bananas, right,
Speaker 1: And so like we are pretending that we are cracking
Speaker 1: down down on people hurting people, right, but we are
Speaker 1: trying to erase erotic expression from the public sphere, right,
Speaker 1: And like we've done this before, right, you know the
Speaker 1: reason you know the I hate to go back in history,
Speaker 1: but it's like literally all I do. So like Anthony
Speaker 1: Comstock in the eighteen sixties and seventies equated information about
Speaker 1: women's bodies with pornography and use that to singlehandedly delay
Speaker 1: the birth control movement in this country four decades right
Speaker 1: by saying this is porn. Right. He tried to criminalize
Speaker 1: dancing in bars and was largely successful. So like, we
Speaker 1: we have done this before, and pretending that toys or
Speaker 1: sassy stories or erotic energy is destructive. I think it's
Speaker 1: like one of those big foundational lives we just have
Speaker 1: to get over to move forward. Yeah, And this is
Speaker 1: the thing, like sort of in their lawsuit, they're like,
Speaker 1: this is absurd that you're going to say that it's
Speaker 1: violating like these you don't do anything sexually oriented businesses,
Speaker 1: It's like but and then in their lawsuit they pointed
Speaker 1: out that this is like it's unconstitutional. They're infringing on
Speaker 1: their like their freedom of speech rights, and also saying
Speaker 1: that like if you're talking about suggestive and explicit ads,
Speaker 1: like I said, like just look around at what you
Speaker 1: have cooking in the subwayarity there are sell beer. Are
Speaker 1: you guys nuts? This is yeah, right, And so all
Speaker 1: that came to just sort of ahead and they said
Speaker 1: and as the CEO of Dames said that the m
Speaker 1: t A was quote disproportionately applying their anti sexually oriented
Speaker 1: business clause to women's pleasure advertisement, the m d A
Speaker 1: ended up settling and now with some revamped ads that
Speaker 1: are very just like innocuous, they're just those will be
Speaker 1: now running in the subway from November to January. But
Speaker 1: even then, like you know, it's it's these ads are
Speaker 1: very tame considering what you would see in modern advertising
Speaker 1: in general. But yeah, all that to say is it
Speaker 1: took them to be sued for them to find it like,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll settle, which doesn't feel like a will
Speaker 1: win like at all. They settled and that's now I
Speaker 1: think even had the CEO saying like ideally we would
Speaker 1: have actually just won this case out right, but we'll
Speaker 1: take it. No, I mean, it's it is frustrating that
Speaker 1: this is a fight we we keep having to to
Speaker 1: push right and when you know, when I say it's
Speaker 1: all connected, you know, like you can draw a direct
Speaker 1: parallel between that kind of uh, you know, the the
Speaker 1: censorious application of the law in New York right to
Speaker 1: the federal government leaving out businesses that you know, promoted
Speaker 1: salacious material rights, the lakeship clubs, horn you know, producers
Speaker 1: not to mention if, of course, criminalized sex workers who
Speaker 1: couldn't get any benefits during COVID, right who were ineligible
Speaker 1: for Um, you know the public safety net that we
Speaker 1: created in the wake of this this crisis and what
Speaker 1: just happened in Texas, right, So, like, yes, the the
Speaker 1: six week abortion law, right, or the abortion ban is
Speaker 1: is a part of that. But something that was not
Speaker 1: overturned was they criminalized hiring anyone under the age of
Speaker 1: twenty one to work at any sexually oriented business. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's every eighteen, nineteen and twenty year old stripper,
Speaker 1: But it's also every eighteen nineteen or twenty year old
Speaker 1: working behind the counter at a sex dore. Right. So
Speaker 1: they they fired, right, they terminated the positions of all
Speaker 1: of these young people overnight in the name of protecting
Speaker 1: them from themselves and their proximity to sexuality. Mm hm right, Jesus.
Speaker 1: It seems like there's something also happening on social media,
Speaker 1: like this year in particular, there's like a bunch of
Speaker 1: people in sex working like industries of various sorts who
Speaker 1: are having to like delete their accounts or having their
Speaker 1: accounts deleted by Twitter, like just starting in ye, shadow
Speaker 1: is a shadow banning is a real thing. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of incentive now for different platforms to like reduce
Speaker 1: or suppress are all erotic content. Right, So, like, because
Speaker 1: we've equated adult consensual prostitution with the horrific crime of trafficking,
Speaker 1: because we've equated you know, pornography with rape and violence, right,
Speaker 1: it's easier for these companies to just like ban you know,
Speaker 1: like hashtag women, as Instagram did in the immediate aftermath
Speaker 1: of of Sesta Foster, rather than the run the risk
Speaker 1: right of accidentally having you know, erotic content that that
Speaker 1: gets flagged, which is crazy to me, right that, Like
Speaker 1: we're cracking down on porn Hub, cracking down on only fans,
Speaker 1: were cracking down on places that have safety mechanisms that
Speaker 1: have been created over decades, right if sex workers advocating
Speaker 1: for themselves, and you know, but in the meantime, the
Speaker 1: biggest purveyor of sucking child sexual exploitative material is Facebook,
Speaker 1: right at those that's happening in private messages. So we're
Speaker 1: pretending to care about one problem, like a real problem,
Speaker 1: but all of the tools that we use, they're just
Speaker 1: gonna bite us in the ass, right right. Well, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: it has been such a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 1: We need to have you back absolutely, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This has been great. Where can people find you and
Speaker 1: follow you? Well, you should definitely join our mailing list,
Speaker 1: right we send a roundup of sex worker rights related
Speaker 1: news from around the country. You know we're doing where
Speaker 1: we can do appearances, where you can catch an old
Speaker 1: pro show, Just go to Old Pros Online dot org
Speaker 1: um and you can find me across social media at
Speaker 1: Caitlin Bailey. And you can find my organization, Old Pros
Speaker 1: at Old Pros Online. Nice. And is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I saw a tweet that made me laugh really hard
Speaker 1: the other day, which is that succession is unrealistic because
Speaker 1: billionaires can't be funny. True, So true, Miles, Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? And what's the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray and also the other show for twenty Day
Speaker 1: Fiance with Sophia Alexandra, who actually connected us with Caitlin.
Speaker 1: So thank you Sophia for that. Yeah, check us out,
Speaker 1: check us out there, check that out there. Boom. Now,
Speaker 1: now is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yes, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of tweets that I'm enjoying. Oh man, I
Speaker 1: forgot to like one of them, but here's one that
Speaker 1: I like. First. One is from John Gans at Lionel
Speaker 1: Underscore trolling. Uh said they fucked up the pr for
Speaker 1: that fake university. You gotta go low key just started.
Speaker 1: Don't make a big deal out of it, no big manifesto.
Speaker 1: Then you get a New York Times story in a
Speaker 1: year that's like at fake university, students learn the old way.
Speaker 1: That's very right. And then this one is from at
Speaker 1: Chunk Bardie. Charlie tweeted, please stop posting about your accomplishments
Speaker 1: unless I have the same ones, Otherwise it can make
Speaker 1: me feel bad. Seriously, shouldn't even have to say that?
Speaker 1: Very real, very real. Some tweets have been enjoying Amy
Speaker 1: at Lowell Anui Ennui tweeted, my dream career is Bodega
Speaker 1: cat cast City at Heavenly Grandpa tweeted, what fictional character
Speaker 1: are you most jealous of? For me, it's old Yeller,
Speaker 1: And Charlie at Chunk Bardie tweeted, my boyfriend is in
Speaker 1: law school and he's taking contract laws, so I haven't
Speaker 1: look over contracts for me, but he hasn't got to
Speaker 1: the part where he learns if a contract is good
Speaker 1: or not, just whether something is a contract. So I'll
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, no, that's a that's a contract.
Speaker 1: Is there it is? You can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore Brian. You can find us on Twitter
Speaker 1: at daily Zy. Guys were at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
Speaker 1: We have Facebook fan page on a website, Daily zeitgeis
Speaker 1: dot com, where we post our episodes and our footnoe.
Speaker 1: We link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles was song you think we
Speaker 1: might enjoy you? Oh man, this is a track. This
Speaker 1: is an interesting one. If you like Portishead, you're gonna
Speaker 1: like this hip hop group called the Quakers are They're
Speaker 1: just called Quakers. But I got turned onto Quakers because
Speaker 1: it's sort of ran by these producers, which one of
Speaker 1: them is called fuzz Face, who you might know as
Speaker 1: Jeff Barrow of Portas Had. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: because a lot of the people in Borda said, do
Speaker 1: a lot of other kinds of music, and this like
Speaker 1: rap group. I was like, this is kind of dope.
Speaker 1: So this is a track called Approach with Caution. It's
Speaker 1: Quakers with Sample a great you know on the mic
Speaker 1: as well, So it's just it's just a great sample
Speaker 1: based hip hop track. And just to know that, like
Speaker 1: you know, some really dope people from the UK are
Speaker 1: into it, like people who are in Border said, should
Speaker 1: make it an even easier proposition. So yeah, this is
Speaker 1: Quakers with Approach with Caution a right. Well. The Daily
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