Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh eight,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Days. It's a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Sharp ear listeners will have heard my voice bounce off
Speaker 1: of the exact contours of our studio. I'm back in
Speaker 1: studio and Miles is not. So it doesn't really change anything.
Speaker 1: But this is a podcast where we take a deep
Speaker 1: dive into America's share consciousness. It is Tuesday, October. What
Speaker 1: we what we're looking at for world Days? Oh, it's Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It's look, we've got a few. It's National Mule Day,
Speaker 1: It's National mince Meat, National Financial Crime Fighter Day. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: International Artists Day. Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that mule and minced
Speaker 1: meat too, that we can all focus on that are
Speaker 1: relevant to us all here in this model. And I
Speaker 1: guess the mule to our a jack in your version
Speaker 1: jack for a donkey. So yeahs around I do. Anytime
Speaker 1: someone mentions the mule, I correct them and say, no,
Speaker 1: it's a jack. Okay, a male donkey's a jack. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Come on, Oh, I didn't realize a mule is a
Speaker 1: hybrid between a donkey and a horse. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's damn I'm ignorant, okay, unrepled like they can't reproduce,
Speaker 1: I don't think, but they are the minced meat of
Speaker 1: animals in the sense that nobody gives them their propers.
Speaker 1: I am embarrassing myself at the local bars. Clubs don't
Speaker 1: want what a mule is. Well, yeah, anyways, shout out
Speaker 1: to artists or whatever. My name is Jack O'Brien ak.
Speaker 1: Making your way through squid games takes all the tubes
Speaker 1: you got living through late stage capitalism. I'm sure to
Speaker 1: suck a lot. Isn't it time to smoke a jay?
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta know anti backs or are insane. But
Speaker 1: there comes for sale again. But we can't believe the
Speaker 1: ship we see. It's the same again and again. We
Speaker 1: want to be where capitalism dies in flames. That is
Speaker 1: courtesy of Chauncy Yonders. I'm detecting some gains in there,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking Chauncey as if the name wasn't enough,
Speaker 1: Chauncey maybe from the UK, But shout out to that
Speaker 1: man and I am thrilled to be joined. As always
Speaker 1: buy my co host Mr Miles grass I got these
Speaker 1: loose cans and my car messing up my ride care's
Speaker 1: a call the girl brute lose cans and my car
Speaker 1: I'm a ride with you. Can that dec brew? Okay?
Speaker 1: The discord. As I said, my car is a veritable
Speaker 1: Morocco of empty cans passengers, just don't worry. It might
Speaker 1: I might as well be on a motorcycle because I'm
Speaker 1: not fitting ship in here. But thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Just wonderful, good as hell treatment of that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was beautiful. By the way, I should mention that my
Speaker 1: a K was a rejected version of Squid Games that
Speaker 1: was going to be their theme, so but they wanted
Speaker 1: the right decision. But really, yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, okay, that is pretty good, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I do like it. Cheers. I
Speaker 1: had that one goal was to get through some squid
Speaker 1: game this weekend, and I did not succeed. I'm just
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna have this ship spoiled for me
Speaker 1: like any moment now. And usually I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk about spoilers, but we're in the phase of the
Speaker 1: discourse where now people are putting out there like analysis
Speaker 1: videos as well they should. This is my fault. I'm
Speaker 1: not blaming anyone that's like, that's okay. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm furious with myself, Miles. We're thrilled, fortunate, blessed to
Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat by one of the
Speaker 1: smartest people I know. She's a producer here in the
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, l a podcast studio, helping to create
Speaker 1: shows like Fake Doctor's Real Friends, fabulous writer who you
Speaker 1: can read it. So it's like, I don't know Vulture,
Speaker 1: the Club, Vogue, Faced, The Advocate, and many more. She
Speaker 1: is the brilliant, the talented Joel mon I miss your faces.
Speaker 1: We're back in little screen form today. Yeah with you,
Speaker 1: oh man. Insecure is back, so I feel fulfilled insecurity
Speaker 1: me back to like when social media was good. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't mean like altruistically good, but I just mean
Speaker 1: like you went there and he dumped your feelings that
Speaker 1: we were able to make jokes and she was it
Speaker 1: was fun. Social media not fun no more, and I
Speaker 1: don't like that. But when it's kars On, you get
Speaker 1: a brief window. People come on, We're talking about the
Speaker 1: show live as it's happening. Remember we used to do that.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Yeah, And it's kind of like, especially with
Speaker 1: this coming back with the final season. I think it's
Speaker 1: also reminding people of like how TV should be and
Speaker 1: that it should be fucking released one week at a time.
Speaker 1: The more I've I do I see the binge drops,
Speaker 1: I'm like, because I've been reading a few articles just
Speaker 1: about like the speed at which we communicate now because
Speaker 1: of the Internet, we are like we're sociologists. I'm like,
Speaker 1: are actually raising a question of like are we talking
Speaker 1: too much all the time as a podcast? I can
Speaker 1: confirming please let it stop. But the idea that like
Speaker 1: we don't have the same flow of culture when you
Speaker 1: just do these huge binge drops, because for one week,
Speaker 1: you can have all this discussion about one episode for
Speaker 1: an entire week, and then the next one drops, and
Speaker 1: then people are starting engaged in like the same pace,
Speaker 1: whereas now like even with Jack talking about squid Game,
Speaker 1: it's all over the place. Now you're like, fun, you
Speaker 1: do I even watch anymore? Because I missed the wave,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's chaos. It's chaos. Yeah. Time to
Speaker 1: process used to be my bread and butter when I
Speaker 1: was writing for all of these sites, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: you needed that time to really like break it down
Speaker 1: and anily and then like it also helps elevate I think,
Speaker 1: like our understanding of the quality of something. The more
Speaker 1: you start like critiquing it, the more reviews you're reading
Speaker 1: of it, the more you're like, Okay, where do I
Speaker 1: put this in like the pantheon of television shows? Like
Speaker 1: where does it rank? And you can miss that like
Speaker 1: Squid Game. It's amazing and I think obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: has drawn a lot of attention, But in two to
Speaker 1: three years, how will we remember that show? I don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna remember the sweatsuit. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't think people are because and if
Speaker 1: there were really long times to discuss one episode, people
Speaker 1: could draw the parallels of the games to like what
Speaker 1: it's you know, reflecting in society because of it. It's
Speaker 1: just super fast baced like oh oh that happened, and
Speaker 1: then it's just like a very long movie. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: all the I was noticing that a lot of the
Speaker 1: memes were from the first episode. Basically, I was like,
Speaker 1: are they being are people being kind and choosing not
Speaker 1: to spoil which that could be part of it, But
Speaker 1: I also feel like it was just like once it
Speaker 1: became a thing, people were like, oh Ship, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta get a squid game meme out there and
Speaker 1: just rushing to market. Now me, I like to live
Speaker 1: tweet things while I'm watching them, mainly just you know
Speaker 1: what is happening on screen. I think that's good content.
Speaker 1: Tell people yeah, to be like oh ship like sometimes
Speaker 1: not even telling them why they going back. He going
Speaker 1: back to the game. Wow, good thing. The old man
Speaker 1: has some commune noodles to eat with the sold Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the worst Twitter feed I've ever seen. I
Speaker 1: like to give Magic Johnson style Vanilla down the Middle
Speaker 1: takes on a pop culture as I'm consuming it. I
Speaker 1: think that is what Twitter is for. Joel. We are
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, let's tell the listeners a few
Speaker 1: of the things we will be talking about later in
Speaker 1: the show. When we get to the news. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the santis. He is welcoming the anti vax
Speaker 1: Cops with open arms, those brave heroes, the anti vax Cops,
Speaker 1: creating some of my favorite just you know, dramatic, messy
Speaker 1: content where they're like, these are the boots of our
Speaker 1: fallen brothers who refused to get there. The vaccine, so
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. We'll talk about business owners kind
Speaker 1: of still trying to figure out what what what change?
Speaker 1: What happened? We're used to starving people into doing what
Speaker 1: we asked them to do. What they don't the old ways,
Speaker 1: only the new. We will talk about whether it matters
Speaker 1: if the strawberry pop tarts are filled with real strawberries.
Speaker 1: We might get to this David Graber book that's coming
Speaker 1: out about the reevaluation of the narrative of history, but
Speaker 1: we we do have to talk about pop tarts before
Speaker 1: we get to that bullshit. All of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, of course, Joel Monique, we do like to
Speaker 1: ask our guests, what is something from your search history.
Speaker 1: I have been obsessively googling the Bull schedule, trying not
Speaker 1: to miss a game. My father and my brother are
Speaker 1: very excited about this season. We got some new players,
Speaker 1: it's hot, undefeated, what And it was sort of like
Speaker 1: a very weird come back to the Bull because it's
Speaker 1: not even really about the basketball, although you know, I'm like, oh, fundamentals,
Speaker 1: pass that ball, like get it to the hoop. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's a value. I don't know, but it gives me,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm my folks are from Chicago and growing
Speaker 1: up in the nineties, the Bulls were everything. My dad
Speaker 1: has been a Bulls fan for life. Doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: phase the team is in, he's right or die. And
Speaker 1: something about watching it is sort of feels like being
Speaker 1: reconnected to him. I think specifically because pandemic and I'm
Speaker 1: second California and he's you know, in Illinois, and we're
Speaker 1: not getting to see each other much, especially over the past,
Speaker 1: Like you see my father for a handful of days
Speaker 1: over the past four years. So it's been hard. So
Speaker 1: it's nice to have something that happens, you know, once
Speaker 1: maybe twice a week, where we're like sort of checking in,
Speaker 1: you know, about something very frivolous too. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have news or something to update you on. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of been a lovely experience. Yeah. That's also. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's see, that's like your TV show that you
Speaker 1: can watch with your dad, where here's the episode, is
Speaker 1: the game, you have your takes and then yeah, keep
Speaker 1: the conversation going's oh man, I wish it's it's nice
Speaker 1: to see the Bulls, you know, looking good. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at that at all. It's it's heavenly and hit.
Speaker 1: To your point, there's not a lot of intergenerational TV
Speaker 1: shows that are super hitting right now. You know, the
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones used to be are checking all to
Speaker 1: every like, oh did you see I can't believe And
Speaker 1: then he'd be like, who is this person? And I'd
Speaker 1: be like, okay, let me break it down for you.
Speaker 1: This is what's going on. But now you can do
Speaker 1: that for me. Tell me the stats and where they're
Speaker 1: at and where they came from and where's that's really nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sports is great because it doesn't matter so much. As
Speaker 1: long as you keep that in the back of your
Speaker 1: head as the reason sports is great. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: otherwise I just I love sports. I can't stand sports media.
Speaker 1: It just gets very I'm trying to have another like
Speaker 1: Rumble in the Palace and I already go like seeing
Speaker 1: the big brawls right right? What is something you think
Speaker 1: is overrated? Joel? Okay, here we go. Instagram reels highly overrated?
Speaker 1: Please close to your story. If there's the same sixteen
Speaker 1: songs and worse than that, it's the same five second
Speaker 1: clips from those sixteens songs over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and they've tricked me because it's got the same scroll
Speaker 1: as a Twitter, and so I'm like, I gotta what's next.
Speaker 1: And then like half an hour later, I'm like, why
Speaker 1: am I still looking at? I don't care about and
Speaker 1: I don't know these people because they're showing me randoms.
Speaker 1: I very rarely care because they keep are like here's
Speaker 1: like white women from Middle America doing something like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't care about any of these people, like where
Speaker 1: are my friends? What's happening? It is a left up
Speaker 1: system that Facebook creative so that like young people would
Speaker 1: continue to interact with their content at a high frequency
Speaker 1: because they know. The influencers were like they changed up
Speaker 1: the algorithm. They were like, listen, you gotta post. I
Speaker 1: think it's like twice to your story and three or
Speaker 1: four times to your reel over so many days, and
Speaker 1: that's how it's going to keep your numbers up and activated,
Speaker 1: and your numbers are how you get paid. But real suck,
Speaker 1: like they're not enjoyable to watch percent of the time,
Speaker 1: and I wish we could end them, but they're addictive,
Speaker 1: and so I don't think they're gonna go away. It's
Speaker 1: that that was just their response to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need a little bit longer form thing to compete
Speaker 1: with TikTok, right, And but then you're like you're saying
Speaker 1: it's like the same. How many times am I gonna
Speaker 1: hear that paramore still into you drill remix when it's
Speaker 1: like I should be over all the butterflies, like yeah,
Speaker 1: but then it's a drill remix. Okay, wait, so I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not familiar, but is they got the rights
Speaker 1: to these songs and like there's no nonful that Oh
Speaker 1: you're just saying that, Like it's like in TikTok, there's
Speaker 1: like you know, there's certain full of songs that they'll
Speaker 1: put with a video truck and it just becomes like
Speaker 1: the theme the texture. Yeah. I so I don't fu
Speaker 1: with Instagram that much. But and you thought of be
Speaker 1: like a real like a person in the industry, Like
Speaker 1: so they got rights and clearances to those audios to
Speaker 1: be presentage and publicly thought that would be a funny,
Speaker 1: that would be a funny angle for them to take
Speaker 1: them where they're like, our product is the same, but
Speaker 1: it's you know, these sixty songs that we got the
Speaker 1: rights too. We secured Happy Birthday, So you know, it's
Speaker 1: like because I got ticked Gus Flagrant, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, do anything. But then there's also a bunch
Speaker 1: of cool remixes that you hear. I'm there too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. But the Twitter algorithm had this story about
Speaker 1: I just wanna give you a direct quote, but it
Speaker 1: was like about Zendaia and uh there Zendia and Timothy
Speaker 1: shallow May, and it like it just stayed in my
Speaker 1: trending for like four days and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's still there, but it's it will not they will
Speaker 1: not leave me alone with this ship, and I'm just wondering,
Speaker 1: like what they what they think they're getting. So the
Speaker 1: story is Timothy shallow May called Zendia out for her
Speaker 1: relationship with Tom Holland and its peak bestie dude. That's
Speaker 1: like from nine days ago. I feel like I saw
Speaker 1: got in the margins and Twitter like last week. Yeah yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was it was last week for sure, but it
Speaker 1: was it was following me around Twitter for like days
Speaker 1: and like, I I don't know, like, what what do
Speaker 1: they think? Again? I really think it's a in an
Speaker 1: attempt to get a younger generation to interact more with
Speaker 1: the app because if you like, Zandia and Timothy are
Speaker 1: sort of the not dating equivalent of Justin and Brittany
Speaker 1: from a previous generation. Like they're insanely gorgeous, they are everywhere.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to be them, Everyone's copying their styles, you know,
Speaker 1: there's and then if you go into the mix, everyone's
Speaker 1: sort of like, what's Tom Holland? Things like he's not
Speaker 1: on the carpets? What does it mean Tom Holland was?
Speaker 1: It's just I think it's these are essentially and somebody
Speaker 1: made a good point the other day that Zandia is
Speaker 1: the only movie star for this generation as far as
Speaker 1: box office appeal, people that are coming back to enjoy
Speaker 1: and die over and over again. I just think these
Speaker 1: are the people of the moment, and everybody's doing whatever
Speaker 1: they can to be as close to them as possible. Right. Interesting,
Speaker 1: But again, Senator O'Brien, this hearing was about Instagram. Real
Speaker 1: We attention why that story on Twitter was in your margin,
Speaker 1: But that's for saying what you own fence to, But
Speaker 1: why don't you sell me fence to? Then if it's
Speaker 1: not such a big part of me. Three of products,
Speaker 1: sell me three fences, and uh, we'll be we'll be square. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. I think Twitter is
Speaker 1: bad at this, which is probably the reason it appeals
Speaker 1: to me so much. Is like they suck at targeting me.
Speaker 1: Like I never feel like, ah, they got me with
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah. It's just like they have this BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: story that they're getting good sort of feedback on from
Speaker 1: people across America, and they're like, come on, this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna fucking love this. It says peak bestie,
Speaker 1: let's go read anything. But it feels like it's intentionally
Speaker 1: designed for like thirty to fifty year old in the
Speaker 1: same way that Facebook now feels like it's designed for
Speaker 1: like eight year olds. And I like being in my group.
Speaker 1: I like hanging out here. We're just like words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is half funny joke. Goodnight. I don't have to. I
Speaker 1: don't have the energy to dance. That's for the young
Speaker 1: kids on I all have time to learn all the
Speaker 1: new dances. God bless them. Like, go for it. I
Speaker 1: did the sanky leg in my day. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Shout out to Insecure for reminding me that existed. You
Speaker 1: know it's cool, right, right exactly? They got me out
Speaker 1: here doing drill moves in front of my ma's Dona
Speaker 1: ship on the street. My knees can't handle it, Joel,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is underrated? Okay, hear me out.
Speaker 1: Ad breaks in television shows. So I've been rewatching season
Speaker 1: three of You, which is on Netflix formerly on Lifetime,
Speaker 1: where you need ad breaks because that's how they're playing
Speaker 1: the bills. Netflix does not require them and so therefore
Speaker 1: not necessary. But they're like, we're just gonna stick to
Speaker 1: that old format. And there's something exquisite about a show
Speaker 1: being like this is a good place to pause, Like
Speaker 1: we designed this for you to step away. We were
Speaker 1: talking about streaming and and the impact that has had
Speaker 1: on our ability to focus and how it impacts are
Speaker 1: like consuming of potentially like really great shows, but they
Speaker 1: go by so fast. I think there's something it's truly
Speaker 1: wonderful about just being able to be like I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna pause here, or even okay, now take a breath,
Speaker 1: Like you can set up a scene, you know, from
Speaker 1: like a writer's perspective and entirely different space, like a
Speaker 1: time jump works really well. If you've built in and
Speaker 1: now we're going to commercial break, whether you take that
Speaker 1: break or not. And I think we don't really think
Speaker 1: about those anymore, you know, especially in the streaming world,
Speaker 1: where every episode is again, you know, a movie essentially.
Speaker 1: I really liked it. I liked being able to be
Speaker 1: like and I wanna pause and grab a snack. This
Speaker 1: is a bathroom break pause. It was just there's something
Speaker 1: about it that makes I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: nostalgic thing or if it's I just genuinely prefer the flow,
Speaker 1: but liked it. Yeah. I think there's also like, you know,
Speaker 1: we lose things like remember you should be like if
Speaker 1: with your parents, to be like, okay, let me just
Speaker 1: to the commercial and then I'll do that thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, let me okay, let me just
Speaker 1: get to the commercial break and I'll call you back.
Speaker 1: Type things we've that's like a whole thing we don't
Speaker 1: do anymore. But yeah, like to your point about writing,
Speaker 1: I see it in like other shows too, where they'll
Speaker 1: be like on streaming services, like I think the Other
Speaker 1: two still does it too, like on HBO Max where
Speaker 1: they still have like commercial breaks, and I'm like that's right.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like a trope like within TV shows
Speaker 1: or just this this thing that you need that like
Speaker 1: you're saying, it doesn't create like very jarring time jumps
Speaker 1: or things like that, or just it gives you little
Speaker 1: you know, punctuation on like and and to be fair,
Speaker 1: I think there's things like Game of Thrones would never
Speaker 1: need you don't need to go commercial break, like we're
Speaker 1: strapped in for this entire experience Let's rock. But I
Speaker 1: think if you have a show that sort of lends
Speaker 1: itself to that, there's there's it's almost like chapters, which
Speaker 1: is like a very essential part of you that the
Speaker 1: main characters obsessed with books, and so there's like a
Speaker 1: feeling of like this chapter, this chapter, this chapter, book end.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a great framing device. And what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, if you write for streaming shows, maybe
Speaker 1: consider does this framing device elevate my storytelling? Okay, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that somebody being obsessed with books like that
Speaker 1: feels like quaint and like a quirky character decision, like
Speaker 1: this guy is really into these things books. He fixes
Speaker 1: listen Jack. If it is women are come down by
Speaker 1: the serial killer they don't know how to process it.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot. He fixes old books, he restores
Speaker 1: them to perfection. If you're a book girl, Ben Spines
Speaker 1: or like when people were like, oh, I just dog
Speaker 1: ear the page just to freak me out. As it's
Speaker 1: a book that's precious, what do you have to be
Speaker 1: gentle with it? I had a friend much more obsensive
Speaker 1: books than I was. Forced everyone to wash their hands
Speaker 1: like properly before you picked up any of her books.
Speaker 1: Dead serious about it. Books are a love language. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's like the next level. It's not like I
Speaker 1: read these things called books. Know. He takes care of
Speaker 1: him because it's the only thing he can connect with
Speaker 1: because he leaves in a fantasy world because he's serial killer. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm into him already seen badly you would be, I know,
Speaker 1: I've seen him Dan from Gossip Girl, Yes, perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like supposed to be the like kind of
Speaker 1: sensitive dorky one and gossip Girl and he's like the
Speaker 1: best looking dude. Like it's like debate, but yes he's
Speaker 1: pretty good looking at the dork like he eats their own.
Speaker 1: We don't want to kick off a whole debate because
Speaker 1: you've seen Jack's binder. He brings to class with the
Speaker 1: transparent outside filled with his Pen Badgley collages. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: to be fair, I also have some of the other
Speaker 1: actors from Yeah, it's not just Penn Badley, but he
Speaker 1: definitely is. I know. I just don't want people to
Speaker 1: think that I'm only in de pen. I don't wonder alight.
Speaker 1: And that restraining order, I get it mere miscommunication between
Speaker 1: the police department, the Superior Court, and Penn Badgley's manager.
Speaker 1: I think it's his way of like sending a message
Speaker 1: to me. It's like his love language is making these complaints,
Speaker 1: but the complaints are actually like flirting kind of ye,
Speaker 1: get away from me, like the tone. He's definitely all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back, and all right, let's talk about Rhonda Santis,
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott. The conservative ship bag off that we have
Speaker 1: been waiting for continues just going toe to toe on
Speaker 1: who can be the shitty has gore in America and
Speaker 1: Brown is making some serious moves. Yeah, he's making kissy
Speaker 1: face at the anti vax crowd because he's letting people know,
Speaker 1: you know, over the weekend he announced that I want
Speaker 1: to make this place haven for unvaccinated cops and first responders.
Speaker 1: I want them to know that Florida is a place
Speaker 1: that will accept them and accept them with arms wide COVID.
Speaker 1: And this dude just listen to his plan. He announces
Speaker 1: like his his really awesome incentive plan to bring anti
Speaker 1: vax to Florida, and how cool he is. Just well, first,
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to point out on a scientific basis,
Speaker 1: most of those first responders have had COVID and have recovered,
Speaker 1: so they have strong protection. Uh. And so I think
Speaker 1: that influences their decision on a lot of this that
Speaker 1: they have already had it and recovered. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: they're not they're making no accommodations for that. They're still
Speaker 1: pretending like that doesn't even exist. Uh. And so that's
Speaker 1: really really troubling when you see that. But I can
Speaker 1: tell you Maria and Florida, not only are we gonna
Speaker 1: want to protect the law enforcement and all the jobs,
Speaker 1: we're actually actively working to recruit out of state law
Speaker 1: enforcement because we do have needs and our police and
Speaker 1: our sheriff's departments. So in the next legislative session, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hopefully sign legislation that gives a five thousand dollar
Speaker 1: bonus anny out of state law enforcement that relocates in Florida,
Speaker 1: So NYPD, Minneapolis, Seattle. If you're not being treated well,
Speaker 1: we'll treat you better here. You can feel important needs
Speaker 1: for us, and we'll compense h as a result. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: oh sick dude. Yeah, scientists a hero, but what a magnet?
Speaker 1: Get these cops out of here. I feel like the
Speaker 1: best thing to do is some other space needs to
Speaker 1: be Like black and brown citizens of Florida will offer
Speaker 1: you five thou dollars to escape, Like come up here.
Speaker 1: You know everything's up from Florida, so wherever that means
Speaker 1: to you, Like, come up here. We'll give you a
Speaker 1: little money, Like you don't have to worry about you
Speaker 1: can help build beautiful communities away from what you've been
Speaker 1: thinking about leaving anyway. Honestly, if you're black and brown Florida,
Speaker 1: you've contemplated it. He did, He's done it all with
Speaker 1: this that little sound bite there. He came out swinging
Speaker 1: with a debunked myth that anyone who has COVID is
Speaker 1: already immune, no need for a vaccine, because yeah, why
Speaker 1: why are they so scared of the vaccine, then is
Speaker 1: it if they've already had it and the vaccine. I
Speaker 1: mean even he's had the vaccine, right, And it's this
Speaker 1: like really just in your face double speak that no
Speaker 1: one in the base is willing to confront. They're like,
Speaker 1: but Donald Trump, all y'all are vaccinated, but then saying
Speaker 1: don't do so where does that put me? Am I
Speaker 1: upon in this game? I don't know, maybe, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes off with that myth, then he really just
Speaker 1: truly wants to make himself the patron saint of anti
Speaker 1: vaxer's and Florida be the church in that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: just saying come come through, because I'll also do that
Speaker 1: being true to form to any Republican conservative, I have
Speaker 1: to do the exact opposite of what a lib would do.
Speaker 1: And I think in this case, maybe he's doing the
Speaker 1: opposite of do Blasio, who was giving five dollars to
Speaker 1: people to get to workers who got vaccinated. So this
Speaker 1: time he's like, I'll give you five thousand to not
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, leave your job and come here. Still haven't
Speaker 1: signed the bill yet, so don't move immediately. But it's
Speaker 1: also you're like, wow, you you can just find five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for a group of people just like that.
Speaker 1: Huh interesting. What would that do to a state if
Speaker 1: just all the all the first of all cops, second
Speaker 1: of all the ones who refused to get vaccinated, like
Speaker 1: all moved to a single state like that, that would
Speaker 1: be I mean, there's that stolen movie Copland that just
Speaker 1: paints a picture of, you know, a paradise, a utopia
Speaker 1: of just cops living with cops running, running everything, and
Speaker 1: maybe there's a little corruption, but you know it's worth
Speaker 1: it because you get you get to be with cops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's he's definitely trying to put
Speaker 1: it together his like infinity stones for re election. He's like,
Speaker 1: I've got racists, I've got some bag of people. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm about to collect the anti vax stone and then
Speaker 1: I'll need Q and on and I will make a
Speaker 1: mighty fast to fucking swing through my reelection. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: The most unaccountable people in the country, you know, cops
Speaker 1: who who get mad when you even watch a video
Speaker 1: of them unjustifiably murdering someone and ask what they were doing.
Speaker 1: And then the ones who refused to get the vaccine
Speaker 1: on top of that is what what a boost to
Speaker 1: the state of Florida. Can you imagine a ton of
Speaker 1: people just moving like bankrupts the states. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: fuck man, what everybody at once? Ship? Okay, so we
Speaker 1: don't five thousand, but here here's a here's a little
Speaker 1: gift card to publics. Plus, I feel like every cop
Speaker 1: wants to end up in Florida anyway, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like he might be you know, right, but their Miami
Speaker 1: Vice best lives or you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: cops who go down there and retire. I don't know,
Speaker 1: just just seems like he's gonna, he's gonna there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of takers. That's already. You can see
Speaker 1: that New York Times piece. These these unvaccinated police officers
Speaker 1: moved to Florida in hopes of attaining their Miami Vice dreams.
Speaker 1: What they frowned was the opposite. What they found will
Speaker 1: shock you. These are humans too, alright. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: just that. There seems to be some confusion. That's what's
Speaker 1: happening among business owners. You know, after unemployment benefits were
Speaker 1: cut a few months ago, we we got to witness
Speaker 1: American culture just kind of going to shock. The logic was,
Speaker 1: if people have no fund actual support in a pandemic,
Speaker 1: then they will have no choice but to return to
Speaker 1: employers and except the the meager wages, the gruel more sir.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that that has not happened, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, what the the heck? Even the New York
Speaker 1: Times is like this, this worker shortage is really fucking Biden.
Speaker 1: It's happening every time, Like from the beginning of talking
Speaker 1: about lessening or lowering the subsidies or like unemployment benefits
Speaker 1: that were extended to people, it's always been like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna you know, the hopes of that more people
Speaker 1: enter the workforce. It didn't happen the first time, the
Speaker 1: second time, even in September when they took away the
Speaker 1: three we're still the analysis is out there now. Still
Speaker 1: nothing has changed. Absolutely nothing has changed. And you know,
Speaker 1: I guess this like cruelty, first form of policymaking is
Speaker 1: not having the intended effect. So you just look at
Speaker 1: certain states, right, and states that cut the three check
Speaker 1: the workforce, which is the number of people who either
Speaker 1: have a job or looking for one, has risen no
Speaker 1: more than it has in the states that maintained the payment,
Speaker 1: so eke, Oh, so we just took people's on any way,
Speaker 1: and it's still not forcing them back to work. And
Speaker 1: you know, they've they've shown in some places that like
Speaker 1: the overall workforce actually shrank that month where they cut
Speaker 1: off the payments, So it went the complete opposite way.
Speaker 1: There wasn't even an uptickers people like, oh, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Then fuck it, I'm because the whole thing is we're
Speaker 1: not being paid enough to subject ourselves to whatever it is,
Speaker 1: the shitty of work environments, the hard labor, or just
Speaker 1: maybe the risk of being infected with COVID just not
Speaker 1: even arising to a level that is worth it. And
Speaker 1: then you've seen in even some states there were like
Speaker 1: less people working than before. Quote, in Wyoming, fewer people
Speaker 1: are in the workforce now than when the state cut
Speaker 1: off all emergency jobless aid. Fear of contracting COVID likely
Speaker 1: discouraged some people from seeking jobs. Wyoming is one of
Speaker 1: the lowest vaccination rates in the country and has been
Speaker 1: a COVID nineteen hotspot since the late summer. The surgent
Speaker 1: infections maybe causing some parents to keep their children home.
Speaker 1: So no matter which way you look at it, the
Speaker 1: turning the cruelty up to five million isn't going to
Speaker 1: force people back to work, like And it's odd because
Speaker 1: every time you'll see like these analyzes from like banks
Speaker 1: and stuff being like, oh like quite the opposite seemed
Speaker 1: to have happened. Huh Yeah, yeah, forecasters are really flummixed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen that the headline like a
Speaker 1: number of times. What's good. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of contributing factors for like the American workforce
Speaker 1: being like, you know, I'm just like, on top of
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in contracting a deadly virus. On top
Speaker 1: of you know, the way we've been treated as workers
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, like the advent of the Internet and allowing
Speaker 1: us like an opportunity to create our own companies and
Speaker 1: develop money that way, I think it's changed a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and a lot of people are just like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go for my dream, Like I could
Speaker 1: die tomorrow. It's very scary out there. I might as
Speaker 1: well try to see my my Walmart job. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you have been respected there at all, and I w
Speaker 1: I have enough to make end me either way. So
Speaker 1: I don't. I just like consolidate my family. A lot
Speaker 1: of families are moving back in together, and like we
Speaker 1: can cover our bills together as a famine it and
Speaker 1: make it stretch. And I think on top of that,
Speaker 1: you have an entire like as a millennium generation becomes
Speaker 1: the like you know, dominant force in the workforce. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of us, you know. I remember in college,
Speaker 1: I got trouble. Senior year. I was a mentor and
Speaker 1: we had a panel of professionals come in and they
Speaker 1: were like, make sure you become an intern. It's going
Speaker 1: to be vital to your career later on that you
Speaker 1: had a good internship early. You know, Puffy would ride
Speaker 1: the train every morning like three hours to get in
Speaker 1: and where and I, you know, as a cockey college kids,
Speaker 1: I spoke up. I was like, yeah, okay, but make
Speaker 1: sure you're getting training. That was to make sure that
Speaker 1: you're getting training. I was like, if you're working for free,
Speaker 1: you need to make sure that you're getting proper training.
Speaker 1: Don't just be taking out the trash to say you
Speaker 1: worked at a company that's not going to help you.
Speaker 1: And of course this panela professionals looking like I was
Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. And a lot of the kids too, were like, well,
Speaker 1: how is that gonna work? But when I entered the
Speaker 1: workforce and they were like, you have to intern for
Speaker 1: free in New York. I have no money saved. My
Speaker 1: parents can't afford a New York apartment. There's just so
Speaker 1: many things that we couldn't I couldn't even conceive of
Speaker 1: accepting because there wasn't a way to do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, there was not a way to participate.
Speaker 1: And so now I think a lot of us and
Speaker 1: and the next kids coming up, are like, you know,
Speaker 1: what is the point of working for? You know, especially
Speaker 1: if you're like a waiter, like your little four five
Speaker 1: or whatever an hour in hopes of making ends meet
Speaker 1: when you could be you know, have good mental health
Speaker 1: and be at home and try to be your own
Speaker 1: boss at least and trying to a good breath to
Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do. Because the chaos
Speaker 1: of being in a survival job, it's very hard to
Speaker 1: try and disengage to then switch gears. So how can
Speaker 1: I better myself? Do you? How are you gonna have
Speaker 1: time to go on an interview if you have to
Speaker 1: max your hours out to pay your bills. It's just
Speaker 1: a it's like it becomes an impossible game. And I
Speaker 1: think just by giving people a little bit of flexibility
Speaker 1: and that has just given people the ability to take
Speaker 1: a thing like wait, do I want to do this?
Speaker 1: And in fact maybe there is I have time to
Speaker 1: look at other things that I mean, even if you
Speaker 1: look at like minimum wage jobs, like a lot of times,
Speaker 1: your ability to schedule the holidays off. I remember working
Speaker 1: a job in college that wasn't paying hardly any bills,
Speaker 1: and they were like, you're gonna have to work like
Speaker 1: four of the major holidays. Like you could have maybe
Speaker 1: Christmas off, maybe Thanksgiving off, I don't know, maybe New
Speaker 1: Years whatever the deal was, but otherwise you have to
Speaker 1: be working in on the floor. And I saw a
Speaker 1: text chain going around today, just like in picture form,
Speaker 1: where a boss was like, listen, someone just got fired,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to come Well, you can fire
Speaker 1: my ask too. I'm not coming in on you really
Speaker 1: want to go down that road, They're like trying me
Speaker 1: right exactly, Like what is the point of of breaking
Speaker 1: ourselves for companies that truly don't care one way or
Speaker 1: the other will honestly replace us in a matter of hours,
Speaker 1: you know, the structure hold up, held up. That was
Speaker 1: an interesting point that Robin Finanki have pointed out and
Speaker 1: want cat as it relates to this, is that like,
Speaker 1: you know that she's sort of pointing at the Great
Speaker 1: Recession of still sort of lingering in a lot of
Speaker 1: workers heads, especially if you were of working age at
Speaker 1: that time, there were no fucking jobs. You would have
Speaker 1: done anything to get a job, myself included, and that
Speaker 1: actually gave a huge advantage to employers to say, well, look,
Speaker 1: it's a recession. Man, I can't funk you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna ask me for that much money. You're gonna ask
Speaker 1: me for fair ways, it's a recession, and that momentum
Speaker 1: allowed employers to keep wages low. And also a lot
Speaker 1: of people were still in that mindset, like the trauma
Speaker 1: of the recession being like I don't know, man, because
Speaker 1: my job fucking vanished in a second. So that sort
Speaker 1: of lingering stress also contributes to people accepting these situations
Speaker 1: as well, because we're still kind of like, fuck, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's still kind of in the back of my head.
Speaker 1: Is like, how I was completely set back by the recession,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it, there's still despite the economy recovering,
Speaker 1: a lot of employers like, well, come on now, don't
Speaker 1: make me turn the wages up just because the economy
Speaker 1: is better than when I was first offering these pittances.
Speaker 1: And they asked, you know, they asked the entire population
Speaker 1: to ignore what was revealed like it was never the
Speaker 1: Great Recession was basically these massive capitalist institutions being revealed
Speaker 1: to be fucking shell games, like just unequivocally, and then
Speaker 1: the government gave them the money to bail them out
Speaker 1: instead of the people who they had victimized, like and
Speaker 1: that that's just like that, that's not something that people
Speaker 1: can ignore like that that the fact that that is
Speaker 1: not being brought up as like huh, I wonder if
Speaker 1: that has something to do with why people have completely
Speaker 1: lost faith in this system and institution, where like we're
Speaker 1: supposed to let the fucking market decide when the market
Speaker 1: has been revealed to be a rigged game that you know,
Speaker 1: is only benefiting these massive institutions and victimizing like most
Speaker 1: of the population, and they just, you know, they just
Speaker 1: hope that we ignore that. And it's like the people
Speaker 1: aren't stupid, like they can't ignore that. It's impossible for
Speaker 1: them to. There's just a difference in realities, right the
Speaker 1: for people who are, you know, the massive business owning class,
Speaker 1: they're so insulated by their wealth, they're not experiencing the
Speaker 1: same external existential factors that motivate a person that someone
Speaker 1: who is in their employ would, you know, because if
Speaker 1: you're a millionaire, the concept of paying your bills has
Speaker 1: not been a reality for you for some time. The
Speaker 1: idea that like everything's on auto pay, you have an
Speaker 1: accountant or whatever, like there's no that dimension of toil
Speaker 1: is completely abstracted to that person and then on another.
Speaker 1: But they're still applying their sort of worldview to a
Speaker 1: group of people who is feeling every single external factor
Speaker 1: and not willing to be like, oh right, there's a
Speaker 1: whole other set of factors that affects them. That's why
Speaker 1: my stupid, evil genius calculus is malfunctioning at the moment,
Speaker 1: because I'm operating from a reality that isn't being reflected
Speaker 1: in the data set I'm trying to manipulate. So I
Speaker 1: think the American people have been asked to sacrifice like
Speaker 1: a lot, especially I would say maybe of the last
Speaker 1: like since the late nineties, it's been like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know we I mean, if I specifically worse to
Speaker 1: look at like nine eleven, like, listen, you have sacrifice
Speaker 1: some some securities, some liberties, some this idea of personal
Speaker 1: freedom in an attempt to like make your country safe.
Speaker 1: And then later it was like, well, we're all going
Speaker 1: through the recession, like we'll all tighten our buet chats
Speaker 1: and it will help our neighbor and it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: In America is one of the most giving as far
Speaker 1: as like when it comes to charities, like we're one
Speaker 1: of the most charitable countries on the planet, Like we're
Speaker 1: constantly giving money. And I think as we've looked at
Speaker 1: like what we've had sacrifice versus what we're getting later,
Speaker 1: it's it's not been equitable for most people. For most people,
Speaker 1: there's been nothing coming out of that sacrifice except the
Speaker 1: same wages for the past like fifteen years. I mean,
Speaker 1: remember when we're like a minimum wage has got to
Speaker 1: be like at least when we were like it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be this much five ten years ago, but
Speaker 1: we'll connect it now. It's just it's been an exhausting
Speaker 1: slug just for any kind of decent pay, you know,
Speaker 1: we keep and it's wild to me to keep looking
Speaker 1: back to the sixties and being like, look at what
Speaker 1: money could buy you. Then like, look at what like
Speaker 1: one contributing household member could give to a family, and
Speaker 1: we haven't had any of that in a very long time.
Speaker 1: That is equal to that most people can't afford, you know,
Speaker 1: a two bedroom apartment on their salary. You know, most
Speaker 1: of us are either one of the partner and swinding
Speaker 1: bills that way, or or you know, roommates, whatever the
Speaker 1: situation may be. So I think people are just tired
Speaker 1: of having to sacrifice and get nothing. And there's themes,
Speaker 1: at least from my you know, very liberal I live
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California point of view, to be a
Speaker 1: lot of folks turning to each other and me like,
Speaker 1: how can we help and just make our little situation? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the yeah, your point about families consolidating, like people looking
Speaker 1: more to community, I think is a really interesting development
Speaker 1: because that, you know, I think broadly, like the more
Speaker 1: that we see this story developed, the more we see
Speaker 1: America treat their population like enemy combatants. Like you know,
Speaker 1: there's the we've talked about fucos boomerang, which is like
Speaker 1: when empire goes like US as all these new tools
Speaker 1: of war in countries that they're occupying, but then they
Speaker 1: come back home and they're used on the population, the
Speaker 1: citizens at home. So we're seeing that that the police
Speaker 1: generally just treat you know, police communities that they aren't
Speaker 1: a part of and treat them as enemy combatants. I
Speaker 1: mean America, that this strategy like when when you look
Speaker 1: at what this strategy is, it's trying to starve them out,
Speaker 1: like trying to starve starve out people who are like
Speaker 1: in quarantine because of a global pandemic, and that you know,
Speaker 1: at some level that is making its way into people's minds,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I think the system is headed
Speaker 1: for a fall and people are starting to ask, like
Speaker 1: what what is next? Like the there's this book about
Speaker 1: the history of debt that I'm reading by David Graber
Speaker 1: where he talks about how all of economics is built
Speaker 1: on this assumption that like economies and money replaced barter
Speaker 1: systems where like one person had a cow and the
Speaker 1: other person had like knives, and like it's just this
Speaker 1: wildly inefficient thing and the mistake that people make that
Speaker 1: the economists are making is they're assuming that everything is
Speaker 1: just these individual actors and not like what actually happened
Speaker 1: was there were these vast communities that worked together to
Speaker 1: collect resources and you know, help one another. And the
Speaker 1: absence of community seems to have been like something that
Speaker 1: is just making like the country socially like ill in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and like leading to some of
Speaker 1: the movements that we're seeing on social media that are
Speaker 1: you know, very misguided, and that it's something that is
Speaker 1: completely vanished, right. I think it's something that we're really
Speaker 1: out there. It's just harder to see because it's not
Speaker 1: on the internet. Like there's do you guys know about
Speaker 1: the fridge project? It's like one of the most beautiful
Speaker 1: things I've ever seen. Like there's just no like the
Speaker 1: idea of like, here's a bit a small business. Usually
Speaker 1: who's like, listen, we'll pay for the electricity for this fridge.
Speaker 1: Prop it up outside. People who have little extra money,
Speaker 1: buy a couple extra groceries, you know, try to make
Speaker 1: it some fresh produce something delicious, pop it in the fridge,
Speaker 1: and whoever needs it, no questions asked. You don't have
Speaker 1: to check in, you don't have to sign it out.
Speaker 1: There is no you have to explain yourself. Just come
Speaker 1: and take what you need and then keep it pushing
Speaker 1: and the community will do its best to try to
Speaker 1: provide for those who don't have. I think that's like,
Speaker 1: and it's happening all over the United States. I just
Speaker 1: think it's like there's a lot of little pockets of
Speaker 1: these really beautiful community efforts and I think will probably
Speaker 1: continue to see more of that. You know, for as
Speaker 1: long as businesses try to hold out um, mutual is
Speaker 1: just going to be a necessity at the bird point
Speaker 1: rather than like something people who have to foresight to
Speaker 1: do to support people in their community. And it's like
Speaker 1: it's going to have to be how some people are
Speaker 1: going to survive. And yeah, I mean more to say
Speaker 1: that altruism, there's clearly a there's a subsection of society
Speaker 1: where altruism does not exist. It's not something that interests them,
Speaker 1: and it seems very well defined, like you can just say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is like the anti altruism people like
Speaker 1: there there's nothing that they owe any fucking body. Yeah wait,
Speaker 1: I'm just calling a shot here that the right or
Speaker 1: you know, even the center will find a way to
Speaker 1: like create a story where communal fridges are being like
Speaker 1: targeted by thieves who are or people who are like
Speaker 1: basically the welfare queen equivalent of the communal fridge, where
Speaker 1: they'll be like they're, yeah, they're they're open their own
Speaker 1: grocery stores. Because that's how much that undercuts like what
Speaker 1: is at stage. You know, it's funny people try that
Speaker 1: angle already because you'll see it in store ease, like
Speaker 1: where people ask, not like trying to create that narrative
Speaker 1: like oh, are you worried about people like taking stuff
Speaker 1: they don't need? And most people who are like run
Speaker 1: these fridges are like behind these organizations are like no, not,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that at all. If someone has
Speaker 1: to take food, that's I'm grateful that there's a place
Speaker 1: for them to do that, and I'm it only reminds
Speaker 1: it should only fill other people with gratitude that they
Speaker 1: don't have to go to a community fridge to survive.
Speaker 1: So it's moot to even consider what happens after that,
Speaker 1: because it's not like you got like, oh man, we
Speaker 1: got these freshly cultivated truffles from Italy, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like it's just it's it's it's
Speaker 1: food to sustain people. There's not like, you know, Pokemon
Speaker 1: cards that you can flip for thousands of dollars in there.
Speaker 1: I actually have to run to my community fridge. I
Speaker 1: just I just realized that I shouldn't have put those
Speaker 1: Pokemon cards in there. That didn't make sense. The Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so counter to the core logic. Like like
Speaker 1: we we talked about on that episode last week that
Speaker 1: like the mainstream media was covering the hell out of
Speaker 1: this story about Walgreen's being victimized by like systemic shoplifting,
Speaker 1: and so Walgreen like the story they'd rather tell than
Speaker 1: the story of community communal fridges is the story of
Speaker 1: how a corporation is being victimized in quotes by a
Speaker 1: fucking person who is in such desperate need that they're
Speaker 1: you know, stealing from them and like that that's what
Speaker 1: America like goes for Target a few months ago, and
Speaker 1: then it came out the Target was responsible for all
Speaker 1: of this wage theft, which is something that stories monitor
Speaker 1: so heavily. You got to go to the bathroom before
Speaker 1: you clock in or to wage them. You're like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's correct, actually right exactly, you got timely,
Speaker 1: you got time thinking. I think a ten seconds before
Speaker 1: I move on to my next pask like all of those.
Speaker 1: I mean, I worked on only V, I worked at
Speaker 1: an AMC, I worked so many like bum like you
Speaker 1: make nothing, but you know they need everything out of you,
Speaker 1: and you need to constantly be on call and be
Speaker 1: ready to show up whenever. And it's all about it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's exhausting, and I'm glad people are saying
Speaker 1: no to it. I'm glad we're seeing you know, a
Speaker 1: number of people try to unionize, like across a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of different workforces, Like it's it's been beyond time
Speaker 1: that you know, workers try to get the protections and
Speaker 1: the wayes that you know. Yeah, One thing that I
Speaker 1: just want to add is like I feel like when
Speaker 1: people talk about crime, especially people who are so critical
Speaker 1: about like this stuff, is I can't believe they're shoplifting.
Speaker 1: A thing they never engage in is to ask why
Speaker 1: they don't shoplift, you know, and go down that road
Speaker 1: and ask, oh, I can't believe it will be like
Speaker 1: we why don't you don't shoplift? No, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I would never do that. Why, Probably because they're saying,
Speaker 1: because I have everything I need right right, and then
Speaker 1: you have to go so, huh, what's the real problem here?
Speaker 1: You think? Is it that people are just shoplift? Because
Speaker 1: if if you're saying you're not shoplifting because you have
Speaker 1: everything you need, presumably you're saying people who have nothing shoplift, right,
Speaker 1: you can, you're acknowledging that. So then let's go down
Speaker 1: that road rather than Maya Walgreen, though they're having to
Speaker 1: offset some of their financial viability by closing stores, but
Speaker 1: we'll spin it as this massive shoplifting conspiracy. It's just yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about strawberry pop tarts. And we're back, and you
Speaker 1: know that this is a story that I feel like
Speaker 1: the mainstream media kind of blood stream is very you know,
Speaker 1: it's craving Reese for some reason. And that is stories
Speaker 1: about lawsuits where somebody sues a food manufacturer for not
Speaker 1: having like the thing that they claim inside the real ship,
Speaker 1: the real ship. You know, Subway Tuna was one example,
Speaker 1: and now we have strawberry pop tarts. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: and they fall into some feel like histrionic lawsuits and
Speaker 1: others maybe, and sometimes certain lawsuits do read like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person is actually mad. This is not real cookies
Speaker 1: and cookie crisp um. But in this instance, this is
Speaker 1: all around the frosted strawberry pop tart I think is
Speaker 1: a staple thing you grew up eating, is a pop tart.
Speaker 1: I barely ever toasted them. I just you would just
Speaker 1: take that foil pas. Oh yeah, I'm nasty because sometimes
Speaker 1: you will get too hot or the bottom will get burnt,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like fucked. I'm not you know, burnt
Speaker 1: burnt pop tart? I remember, I think that's what happened
Speaker 1: that a four else you get that perfect toasted you
Speaker 1: what hapen? No, it was like typical, like hardcore mom
Speaker 1: ship where my mom made a pop tart and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is kind of burnt on the bottom.
Speaker 1: She's like, then you do it yourself, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I will cut to me, never toasting them, because I
Speaker 1: don't respect the effort my mother put in. It's even
Speaker 1: trying to toast a pop tart. But in this instance,
Speaker 1: in the Southern District of Illinois, Plaintiff Anita Harris quote
Speaker 1: alleges that Kellogg's claims about its frosted strawberry pop tarts
Speaker 1: are misleading since quote they give consumers the impression the
Speaker 1: fruit filling contains a greater relative and absolute amount of
Speaker 1: strawberries than it does the feeling. The filing goes on
Speaker 1: to state that despite strawberries being the products quote characterizing
Speaker 1: ingredient on the actual ingredients list, dried strawberries don't get
Speaker 1: a mention until the contains two or less section, and
Speaker 1: then they go on quote based on a quantitative estimate
Speaker 1: and analysis of the feeling, it appears to or may
Speaker 1: even contain more non strawberry fruit than strawberry ingredients to
Speaker 1: give consumers the fall s impression that the product contains
Speaker 1: a greater absolute and relative amount of strawberries, and it does.
Speaker 1: It contains red forty, a synthetic food coloring made from petroleum.
Speaker 1: Red forty makes the strawberry pear apple combination look bright
Speaker 1: red like you have his own strawberries or has more
Speaker 1: strawberries than it does. I mean, this is like the
Speaker 1: water Gate of pop tarts, I guess, I mean more
Speaker 1: than any I just think of like America. Hello, We've
Speaker 1: been eating processed food since forever. And I hope people
Speaker 1: out there don't believe that it's all just like organic
Speaker 1: mushed up strawberries in your very cheap pop carts. That's
Speaker 1: not what's happening. I have so many thoughts, like, for one, obviously,
Speaker 1: American food i Q is very low, and I think
Speaker 1: it's lower. The lower your wages are, right, the the
Speaker 1: less money you have to spend at the grocery store,
Speaker 1: the less you have experimenting with new food. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: you're in a food desert because of that, and your
Speaker 1: options are truly limited to these things in a box, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: these prepackaged items. And so the idea that it's like
Speaker 1: definitely silly to read because it's like, have you tasted
Speaker 1: a pop tart? There's nothing authentic about what's happening in
Speaker 1: your mouth as you eat the pop tart. Cinnamon sugars
Speaker 1: were my bag, and I knew what was happening in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not even if they didn't grind up like fresh
Speaker 1: cinnamon sticks and it's no um. I also understand this
Speaker 1: idea of feeling tricked, like when I first started learning
Speaker 1: about food, which like mid college, of like what's in
Speaker 1: this and how do I prepare it, and and what
Speaker 1: goes into all of these things? Like it was like
Speaker 1: a mind freak of just like how how have I
Speaker 1: been eating? And and what does the feature look like
Speaker 1: for me? Because now I have this knowledge, but I
Speaker 1: have no money to correct what I'm considered to continue
Speaker 1: to eat these terrible things just because that's what is
Speaker 1: within my financial bracket. And so I get where miss
Speaker 1: Anita is coming from. She's frustrated, she wants some strawberries.
Speaker 1: She's trying to give her kids a healthy breakfast. You know,
Speaker 1: serial company slide. They told her it was part of
Speaker 1: a complete breakfast. It's just sugar. Yeah, where did she go?
Speaker 1: Look into the founder of Kellogg's too much? No, don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would not like where his company has ended. He
Speaker 1: very listen to the behind the bastards, Mr Kellogg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, and that's why I'm like, I understand,
Speaker 1: like that's why some things really feel like this is
Speaker 1: like this can be this is how I feel, you know,
Speaker 1: like this is this, this feels like duplicit this and deceptive.
Speaker 1: I totally get that. But then you I know, there's
Speaker 1: also a category of people who are just looking to
Speaker 1: file these lawsuits kind of like those like Cereal like
Speaker 1: A d A Filers that were around a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, who would just like go and be like
Speaker 1: I'm ssuing you for this, like this ramps not here,
Speaker 1: or you can settle out of court, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like this kind of trying to just get
Speaker 1: a quick settlement. But in this sense more than like
Speaker 1: Anita and her case or pop Tarts, it's just like
Speaker 1: sort of this interesting thing that a lot of people
Speaker 1: still like holding their minds that like, it's like it
Speaker 1: could all be fake to cut corners to maximize profits
Speaker 1: for the company that's making the food while putting all
Speaker 1: these really nice graphics on the box. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like I want to do your own
Speaker 1: backs research. Crowd, please bring this energy to the food
Speaker 1: you're eating, because you might very quickly be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, or they're gonna be like I love petroleum
Speaker 1: based food dies. What one thing? The food lawsuits are
Speaker 1: generally something that similar to the shoplifting story that we
Speaker 1: talked about before the break, the people like the American
Speaker 1: like shared consciousness tends to side with McDonald's over the
Speaker 1: person who's coffee like burnt them, and it turns out
Speaker 1: like the when you read the actual details of that story,
Speaker 1: the woman who sued McDonald's for spilling hot coffee on herself,
Speaker 1: Like that's the way the story is hold to us,
Speaker 1: and the truth is that it was dangerously hot something
Speaker 1: that they had, like she she had lifelong damage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something they had, you know, articulated paperwork this. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: lawsuit gets at something like ye, Joel, you know you
Speaker 1: were red forty pilled when when you read about like
Speaker 1: what actually goes into into the food and it's something
Speaker 1: that we like a lot of times don't have the
Speaker 1: money to do anything about or the the like I
Speaker 1: guess in my case, the characterizing ingredient of frosted strawberry
Speaker 1: pop tarts are the different colored little sugar specs in
Speaker 1: the icing. Oh yeah, Like I'm like that's really what
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm going for here is this should taste
Speaker 1: a strawberry Sunday cut off. Sometimes Oh yeah, I'd be
Speaker 1: like I just want all frosting bites, all frosting bites,
Speaker 1: like trim off the sides. Moms like, what the hell
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm like, I want a good part.
Speaker 1: They're not strawberries trying to tell me it's candy. And also, Joel,
Speaker 1: I don't often hear the cinnamon sugar one shouted out
Speaker 1: as much as it should be that such a grip.
Speaker 1: Did you like the s'mores one like marshmallows, m M.
Speaker 1: I thought it was solid. Yeah. I was on this
Speaker 1: Smores one for a minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: on the Moors one as a kid. But Strawberry was
Speaker 1: that felt just like the crowd please her joint. But
Speaker 1: I guess the way I look at it too, is
Speaker 1: I think I would always I think because my mom
Speaker 1: with her like her post World War two Japan diet,
Speaker 1: it was very like, you know, rural, like you know,
Speaker 1: you're eating like food that you're making or cultivating and
Speaker 1: things like that. So when she was raising me, I
Speaker 1: would always be like, that's just all it's all fake food.
Speaker 1: It's all fake. I'm like, yeah, but it's good mom,
Speaker 1: and the kids won't make fun of me if I
Speaker 1: know what this is, Okay, please help me. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to assimilate. But they're also like I think in my
Speaker 1: mind I've always been like, Okay, I know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be eating some things that aren't healthy and I'm always
Speaker 1: just kind of bouncing out, like knowing what, knowing how
Speaker 1: much fake booty eat and then get your vegetables and
Speaker 1: then you find a bounce. I am not a nutritionists.
Speaker 1: You speak at your school, Joel, what you hit us
Speaker 1: briefly with you your thoughts on you? Season three? And like,
Speaker 1: because I do, I see this all over the place.
Speaker 1: I see the I see the feedback that this is
Speaker 1: a cultural phenomenon that all I So before we started recording,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, isn't it about a toxic relationship?
Speaker 1: Revealed to me it's about a serial killer, So yes,
Speaker 1: nailed it. Joe Goldberg is the main character of You
Speaker 1: and If. Season one was about discovering that a lot
Speaker 1: of romantic troops are actually toxic and coming to terms
Speaker 1: with that. In season two, it was about flipping the
Speaker 1: script and what happens when Joe meets a toxic woman
Speaker 1: who's also willing to become a serial killer for his
Speaker 1: love is about what is it like to be in
Speaker 1: if when two people are in toxic relationship with one
Speaker 1: another and they're trying, like they're really trying to make
Speaker 1: this marriage work, but neither one of them is in
Speaker 1: it for anything. Like the right reasons. They're in it
Speaker 1: for the look, they're in it for the baby, They've
Speaker 1: just had their in it because it's a logical next step.
Speaker 1: It's what you're supposed to do. This show's ability to
Speaker 1: imprint modern romantic ideation onto a serial killer is Banana's.
Speaker 1: It's so Sarah Gamble is in her bag for this,
Speaker 1: and she has done so much great TV. She did
Speaker 1: The Magicians before this. I think she was a writer
Speaker 1: on Supernatural before. She's been in the aim for a
Speaker 1: very long time. Extremely talented, and there's something so spectacular
Speaker 1: about this show because what I've seen a little bit
Speaker 1: here and there, and something that I can easily identify
Speaker 1: as like I love Joe so much, like understanding that
Speaker 1: he's a terrible person, but for the character, you're still
Speaker 1: sort of rooting for him to succeed because they're constantly
Speaker 1: reflecting on his childhood trauma. How did he become this way?
Speaker 1: And he has this lie he keeps telling himself. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get better and I don't have to
Speaker 1: do this. No, you know, Joe is not going He's
Speaker 1: not going to break this habit because he's not really
Speaker 1: doing anything. But he wants to if you're in therapy,
Speaker 1: he might be able to identify you like I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to change. I'm aware of my patterns, yes exactly,
Speaker 1: and like I really I'm gonna today, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: make the same bad choices I made yesterday. My behavioral
Speaker 1: therapist and I are working really hard at it. But
Speaker 1: I need I need it. But if I just a
Speaker 1: little bit of it just to get me through, you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be good. But this
Speaker 1: is the first like watching Joe b with a woman
Speaker 1: who again in the same boat of I'm gonna change
Speaker 1: my behaviors that I'm more aware and really not doing
Speaker 1: anything to fix the problem, but watching and be married
Speaker 1: to her and seeing her struggle and try to do
Speaker 1: all the things that like women who have just become mothers,
Speaker 1: who are tired, who are no longer feeling they're like young, powerful,
Speaker 1: sexy selves who are like how do I make you know,
Speaker 1: myself a good partner to this person and himps being
Speaker 1: like non fixated on a new girl. Oh, it was
Speaker 1: like it was so hard. It was such a challenge.
Speaker 1: I was like, Joe, what are you doing? Like she's
Speaker 1: really trying. I mean, she's genuinely terrible and you guys
Speaker 1: should not be together, but she's trying, like you try now,
Speaker 1: and it's awful but so good. You would love it.
Speaker 1: If you're into literary references. There are maybe nine and
Speaker 1: episode like really strong, fun, good literary references. The structure
Speaker 1: of it is incredible, The writing is powerful, all of
Speaker 1: the performances out of this World this season. The small list,
Speaker 1: smallest spoiler you skip ahead ten seconds. The new girl
Speaker 1: is just attracted to bad men, and there's someone who's
Speaker 1: been in that boat like it's They're just types of
Speaker 1: characters and troops that you don't generally get to explore
Speaker 1: and live in. And I think especially today, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, we need likable people, we
Speaker 1: need good people on the show because that's what we like.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, there's a lane for that. Ted
Speaker 1: Lasso was in that lane. The Good Place was in
Speaker 1: that lane. These are people who are genuinely want to
Speaker 1: be good human beings and I love it. But I'm
Speaker 1: also very much pro evil person is the lead, and
Speaker 1: I just love with you that I love rooting for
Speaker 1: the evil person just because life is hard and you know,
Speaker 1: most of us are not trying to be evil, and
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit cathartic to watch somebody who's like,
Speaker 1: at it, I'm gonna just be terrible. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm embracing my evil side. And the show does that
Speaker 1: so well while also exploring, I think, what is it
Speaker 1: to try to be in a romantic relationship in modern times,
Speaker 1: and does it in a way that's so much better
Speaker 1: than like many other person of shows that are mostly
Speaker 1: about the people ending up together still sort of stuck
Speaker 1: in that fairy tale ideal. This blows that apart. There
Speaker 1: is no fairy tale. Yeah, I mean that's always a
Speaker 1: good sign. Like, and that's also really that's why I'm
Speaker 1: the same. I love shows where you find yourself rooting
Speaker 1: for the bad guy, and that's born out of just
Speaker 1: tremendously fantastic, next level writing, because you can't do a
Speaker 1: show like that and have bad writing. And you're like,
Speaker 1: do this show is so funny, it's like so problematic,
Speaker 1: the narrative doesn't even make sense. But when you have
Speaker 1: this like you're saying, like, this guy's a fucking serial killer,
Speaker 1: but you're kind of rooting for him and you want
Speaker 1: them to find love them like, oh I can. That
Speaker 1: means they're setting that they're setting the table right, so
Speaker 1: hot mess but in the best way. That's why I
Speaker 1: like squid Game, because like, you know, despite ourselves, we
Speaker 1: all find ourselves rooting for that rich guy in the
Speaker 1: black mask who like set the whole thing up, you know. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: like they just did the tug of war and it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's getting them fun stuff to do
Speaker 1: and going somewhere. He's a guy with ideas. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: some think so that's pretty tight alright, Joel as always
Speaker 1: such a pleasure having you lovely to be back. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you? Hey? You guys
Speaker 1: can find me on the internet, all over the internet.
Speaker 1: Actual moniquets to j O E l E m O
Speaker 1: n I q u E. There's an underscore on Instagram,
Speaker 1: but it's the same thing. You'll find me any way.
Speaker 1: Are we doing tweets today? Yeah? Tweet love Okay, I
Speaker 1: got one from Andrew Lloyd Webbery just great. Listen to
Speaker 1: this Okay. Thank you for those who attended my first
Speaker 1: ever DJ set last night at the Majestic Fandom Opera
Speaker 1: block party. Excited on what could be next to me Broadway, London,
Speaker 1: Abiza and then he signs it a l W his
Speaker 1: tweet he signed it, I mean, it's so beautiful and
Speaker 1: if you and laid Webber trying to think there any
Speaker 1: footage of that, Yes there is, you can. I will
Speaker 1: send it to you. You can watch it online. Is
Speaker 1: he like, is he like putting one hand up for
Speaker 1: like the drop? And he's like, there's an entire audience
Speaker 1: real quick, it's an entire audience outside it does look
Speaker 1: a little bit like Abisa, except it's the opening for
Speaker 1: a Phantom of the Operas returning to Broadway in New York. Hey,
Speaker 1: Lighters in the sky, miles where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram at miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also the other show for twenty day Fiance
Speaker 1: with Sophia Alexandre where we talked this show ninety day
Speaker 1: Beyonce say tweets I like first one is from at
Speaker 1: Love Dove Clark with an E on the end tweeted
Speaker 1: why are there sports bars but not cute bars where
Speaker 1: you could sit wine and cheer for competitive cooking shows.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this. I talked about this with
Speaker 1: Sophia like like reality like a real they show a
Speaker 1: bar where like when the show is on, people come
Speaker 1: Sundays it's on, and everybody's like turn it up because
Speaker 1: I can't believe the bullshit they're saying. Reality bars coming soon.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, the waiters are hot but not too hot,
Speaker 1: you know, like obtain but cute that they that they
Speaker 1: spurred conversations at the table, be like is it just me?
Speaker 1: Or is the waiter like mad cute? And I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, now what is it about them? Exactly? And
Speaker 1: these are how we set these places up there? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? Anyway, and then the next tweet is from
Speaker 1: at cav a t cat. Charlotte Moore Lambert tweeted. The
Speaker 1: tweet is described as the domestication of dogs. Wolf, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna eat your babies human What if instead of that
Speaker 1: blankets and peanut butter Wolf, I'm listening with the decor
Speaker 1: of the Reality bar be like those wine things like
Speaker 1: wine o'clock, like wine decorations or professionals. It's so it's
Speaker 1: all like a very plush seating, uh right. All the
Speaker 1: light is Instagram ready florals everywhere. Yeah, every booth is
Speaker 1: an Instagram backdrop. That's what That's how Joel and I
Speaker 1: have designed to space that no matter where you are
Speaker 1: patronizing the business, it's going to force someone. It's a
Speaker 1: photo op no matter where you are. And that's how
Speaker 1: we generate more organic user generated marketing materials. Like Jack.
Speaker 1: We can talk about this later. You need take the packet,
Speaker 1: but we need guys to come in at the two
Speaker 1: dollar level. We can kind of get this thing wrong. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: a tweet I've been enjoying between two funds too funny, Yeah, tweet,
Speaker 1: that's my boy. Timothy shallow May sounds like the name
Speaker 1: of a very wealthy mouse, and I agree. I also
Speaker 1: just found out Timothy shallow is the offspring of like
Speaker 1: a very wealthy like a bunch of very wealthy producers.
Speaker 1: All your favorites are rich and never forget. If you
Speaker 1: have a favorite, go look up their parents. They're rich,
Speaker 1: richer and also like and also like legacy in the industry.
Speaker 1: They're like the people who break through young tend to
Speaker 1: be pretty pretty well connected. You're Jason Schwartzman, etcetera. All right,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O Brian,
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Speaker 1: look we look off to the information that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as a song that
Speaker 1: we think you should go check out. Miles, what song
Speaker 1: do we think people should go check out? Go check
Speaker 1: out this track? It's called Already by Rochelle Jordan's and
Speaker 1: it's just got this fucking nineties just house vibe, but
Speaker 1: it's modern. I just like how these like nineties house
Speaker 1: sort of tropes are coming back, Like in some of
Speaker 1: the promo which are is weren't like an all pleather
Speaker 1: outfit with her braids. I'm like, this has given me
Speaker 1: to unlimited see and seeing music factory type ship. So
Speaker 1: listening to this track is definitely a time warp. I
Speaker 1: think she's from Toronto by way of London, So check
Speaker 1: out this just just wonderful house track but with a
Speaker 1: little bit of soul behind it Already by Rochelle Jordan's.
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