Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two, Oh Sex,
Speaker 1: Episode two up ur Days like guys, the production of
Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where you take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's share consciousness. And it's Wednesday,
Speaker 1: October one. Of course it is take your Parents to
Speaker 1: Lunch Day National, Take your parents to Launch Day International,
Speaker 1: no broad Day, so you know I'm observing one of
Speaker 1: those two. My name is Jack O'Brien, a K. And
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a long long time till lie.
Speaker 1: Look my three year old and the I don't know
Speaker 1: the difference between fruit and veg Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm a foolish man, foolish man, been lied to my
Speaker 1: whole life. Man, fuck these seeds. That is courtesy of
Speaker 1: Pod Moran talking about my inability to differentiate between fruit
Speaker 1: and vegetable or as I wouldn't even all it, my
Speaker 1: realization that vegetables are all conspiracy and it's all fruits. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles Grag all the fall things, pumpkin, spice, drinks, apples,
Speaker 1: let's pick. I have the ships. Then comes thus no,
Speaker 1: this ship is so called skiing, skating, falling, pass breaking.
Speaker 1: My balls are froze. This is so old. I am
Speaker 1: passed off, stuck in my home and that's a risky
Speaker 1: Yamagucci Mane who decided to take us down a little
Speaker 1: trip link two. All the small things but the part yeah,
Speaker 1: all the fault. Oh, I get it. Okay, see what
Speaker 1: I see? What do you do that? That was awesome though.
Speaker 1: I saw that on Twitter and uh and liked it
Speaker 1: by clicking the heart underneath it. Well, Miles, we are
Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a
Speaker 1: very funny and talented podcast or author and TV personality.
Speaker 1: She's the author of the book Tropical Attire, Encouraged and
Speaker 1: other Phrases that Scare Me and host the podcast Alison
Speaker 1: Rosen Is Your Best Friend and Childish, which is a
Speaker 1: podcast for parents and people with parents, so a very
Speaker 1: limited demo that they're going after their Please welcome the hilarious,
Speaker 1: the brilliant Allison Roses. Hello. Hello, I am honoring no
Speaker 1: broad day, but I have been honoring that for the
Speaker 1: whole time we've been in our homes. Fantastic, I'm observing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my personal holiday. Actually not, it is my personal holiday.
Speaker 1: But also I think most people with boobs out there
Speaker 1: are also celebrating it. Yeah, apparent it started because it's
Speaker 1: also a National Metastatic Breast Cancer Awareness Day. I think
Speaker 1: that two of them are one sort of after the
Speaker 1: others to bring more awareness around you know, Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: see I was going for a funny light thing and
Speaker 1: then you really harsh. And I was trying to because
Speaker 1: your facts sometimes cancer with the cancer fact, because sometimes
Speaker 1: you'll see, like like on this little national day calendar thing,
Speaker 1: you'll look at it and sometimes it's like a group
Speaker 1: of friends decided what better day way to honor it.
Speaker 1: But this very specifically, I think because obviously because October
Speaker 1: is also breast cancer Awareness month, so it's probably right,
Speaker 1: that's right. See I didn't even know that, and they
Speaker 1: didn't even put that in your fall Things song. It's
Speaker 1: the one time NFL guys are wearing pink. What's happening.
Speaker 1: It's October, that's what's happening. Yeah, it's why it proves
Speaker 1: that they are kno quests. They don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: Breast cancer is pink? Oh, variant cancer is blue? Do
Speaker 1: you know the other colors? No? I don't think I
Speaker 1: do either, but I do think that they have different
Speaker 1: colors are assigned to the different types of cancer. See
Speaker 1: prostate cancer is light blue. They kind of have one
Speaker 1: for everything. All cancers is lavender, so if you wear
Speaker 1: a lavendar one, you kind of got them all covered. Apparently,
Speaker 1: quit chart particular is purple, which is interesting. Thyroid is blue, pink,
Speaker 1: and teal, which is a lot of different colors. But
Speaker 1: that that's cool to like have a combo, like a
Speaker 1: color way for your Oh man, I feel that the
Speaker 1: term color way is kind of ridiculous, and I tweeted
Speaker 1: something about that, like why do we need like when
Speaker 1: did we start referring to things as color as a
Speaker 1: color way? And then a lot of people responded saying
Speaker 1: that this is used in sneakers a lot, And then
Speaker 1: I just went deleted my tweets. I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is potentially culturally insensitive. So I took it away that
Speaker 1: you can possibly about Okay, probably the most vocal in
Speaker 1: your mentions, you know, Yeah, do you feel the term
Speaker 1: color way is necessary? Can't you just say color? I mean,
Speaker 1: I get that it's a few colors. I think because
Speaker 1: I'm a sneaker obsessed person that I grew up without
Speaker 1: saying as a kid, I'm like, oh, that's adult color
Speaker 1: way for that shoe, because typically it was never just
Speaker 1: like one color. It's like, oh, it's the it's the
Speaker 1: Carolina blue with the white and the gray or whatever
Speaker 1: that comes together. So I've just I think as a
Speaker 1: habit just brought that phrase with me. But I understand
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, like I've said it before,
Speaker 1: we were like color way like the combo of never mind.
Speaker 1: I'm just think I was one of those people because
Speaker 1: I hadn't really heard it until I started really thinking
Speaker 1: about sneakers, like, you know, really thinking about them. I
Speaker 1: didn't want people to know that that that I have
Speaker 1: a blind spot when it comes to sneakers. I guess
Speaker 1: I want them to think that I know, I don't
Speaker 1: Why why are you? Why are you off the ground?
Speaker 1: And I see nothing more? How do you do exactly how?
Speaker 1: I legitimately have never used color way to refer to
Speaker 1: anything but a sneaker. I thought I was using poetic license.
Speaker 1: And you you came for me, Allison. You're sorry they came.
Speaker 1: They came for me, and I'm just paying it forward. No,
Speaker 1: I have Now I see it in ad copy for
Speaker 1: like podcast ads, for all sorts of products. Colorway is
Speaker 1: coming for all of us. We're all going to be
Speaker 1: Colorways bitch. And I didn't even ask for that, you know,
Speaker 1: we can. I was fine, just lit me need to
Speaker 1: sneakers don't need to see it in decks. And I
Speaker 1: do get most of my poetic inspiration from ad copy,
Speaker 1: so we all past women did too. All right, Allison,
Speaker 1: We're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, a few of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're going to talk about Amazon. They
Speaker 1: have a very specific way of doing business, which involves
Speaker 1: if there's any legislation looking at for workers or laws
Speaker 1: protecting workers, they're out. So we're gonna talk about why
Speaker 1: they pulled out of alcohol in California. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Seattle cops. Please feel for the Seattle cops.
Speaker 1: They are mad about the vac's mandate. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Greg Abbott becoming just a parody of himself, and
Speaker 1: of course we will get to the big news that
Speaker 1: is on everybody's mind. Couch guy from TikTok, I mean
Speaker 1: I have my theories. You know, we are a couch
Speaker 1: guy to not see it. Okay, come on, the whole
Speaker 1: internet has agreed. These people need to wake up all
Speaker 1: of that plenty more. First out Lison, we do like
Speaker 1: to ask uric guests, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 1: I recently searched kidney donor bad Art Friend? Do you
Speaker 1: guys know what I'm talking about? The New York Times
Speaker 1: piece that everyone, Yes, have you guys already talked about
Speaker 1: that on your Actually i've been. I've been getting yelled
Speaker 1: at from her majesty and my partner because she was like,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to you about it. You're gonna
Speaker 1: love it. I'm like, I know, I just it's a
Speaker 1: long read and I have to do some other stuff,
Speaker 1: but I will. Yeah. So I forget what day specifically
Speaker 1: it came out in the New York Times, but I
Speaker 1: just started seeing all these people tweeting about kidneys and
Speaker 1: bad Art Friend and who is the bad Art Friend,
Speaker 1: which I believe is with the title of it, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, how long can I persist in not knowing
Speaker 1: what this is about? Because I sort of when the
Speaker 1: whole Internet is talking to or obviously not the whole internet,
Speaker 1: but all the you know in the stuff I follow.
Speaker 1: When it seems that everyone was talking about something, I
Speaker 1: sort of enjoy that moment where it's like, I know
Speaker 1: this is going to be dumb, and I don't yet
Speaker 1: know what it is, Like I am, I have blissful ignorance.
Speaker 1: But then you know, I'm like, okay, fine, I can't
Speaker 1: take it. So I looked it up and I ended
Speaker 1: up reading the story. It is very long, but well,
Speaker 1: some people have said to me like, it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: They're both repugnant. You don't need to read it. But
Speaker 1: I was happy that I read it. It is I
Speaker 1: imagine this is what her Majesty has been saying to you.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting. There's lots of way it brings.
Speaker 1: It's one of those stories that stays with you. So
Speaker 1: I actually do recommend reading it and then having a
Speaker 1: conversation about it, which I haven't. I need to call
Speaker 1: up your lady because I haven't really had a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about it with anyone. Yea without I'll just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, the homie Allison wants to talk to
Speaker 1: you about yeah, yeah, right now, right now, right now,
Speaker 1: right now, I'm on a plane. Do you know, does
Speaker 1: she have an opinion about which one is the bad friend. No,
Speaker 1: because she wanted to save that discourse, or when I
Speaker 1: read it, she didn't want to sully my perception of
Speaker 1: we just have to talk about this. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: fuck okay. It's well written and well crafted in that
Speaker 1: there's sort of a bit of a new info comes
Speaker 1: out near the very end, which potentially colors how you'll
Speaker 1: see it, So that might be what she's hiding this.
Speaker 1: There was a tweet last week that captured the feeling
Speaker 1: though by at Sassy Black Diva. She said, I hate
Speaker 1: when you have to read an article to understand Twitter discourse,
Speaker 1: like why are y'all assigning a bit of homework? I
Speaker 1: just want to because' And that's how I felt to him,
Speaker 1: like funck al right, Like I will read the I
Speaker 1: will read the assignments, Miles, we have our assignment for
Speaker 1: tomorrow's episode. We'll read that, our friend. Can you give
Speaker 1: us the broad strokes just to entice this is an
Speaker 1: also interesting exercise to try and have someone describe it
Speaker 1: to you the way they think it should be described
Speaker 1: without selling your perception. Yeah, okay, So it is about
Speaker 1: two female writers. They had both been in a lot
Speaker 1: of writing programs and that is how they met each other.
Speaker 1: One of them is Asian American, one of them is
Speaker 1: white and grew up more economically disadvantaged. I'd say so
Speaker 1: the white one, And I know it sounds like a
Speaker 1: like race is a part of the story though, So anyway,
Speaker 1: she donates a kidney, like site uns like she doesn't
Speaker 1: know who's going to receive it. She donates it, she
Speaker 1: starts talking about it on social media, and she gets
Speaker 1: upset that the other writer hasn't like acknowledged she's been
Speaker 1: talking about on social media, and she feels like the
Speaker 1: other one like, did you even know that I, you know,
Speaker 1: donated my kidney. And then it turns out that the
Speaker 1: other one writes a story about a character that donates
Speaker 1: her kidney, and the one who donated her kidney feels
Speaker 1: like she had inspired that story. And so then it's
Speaker 1: sort of this question of if you write a story
Speaker 1: about like who owns that story? And then the one
Speaker 1: who wrote it says, the story is really about like
Speaker 1: white savior complex and I feel like I did a
Speaker 1: terrible job explained. But this is the difference. This is why,
Speaker 1: that's why it's hard to describe it, because it's the
Speaker 1: I think the most version that everyone's like, you just
Speaker 1: have to read it, but just know it's about two people,
Speaker 1: and you're like, are they being petty? I don't know.
Speaker 1: You got to read it and then you'll you'll begin
Speaker 1: to sort of understand more like it's it was weird
Speaker 1: because her mastery. She she was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to so many good lines. She's like, I don't even
Speaker 1: want to see, right, I mean, it's it's ultimately like
Speaker 1: the it's it is it's about female I think it
Speaker 1: is about female friendship and it's about a communication breakdown.
Speaker 1: The one who donated her kidney begins to act in
Speaker 1: ways that I think are quite petty, Like she starts
Speaker 1: to everywhere that the one who wrote the story is
Speaker 1: trying to publish the story. She starts contacting them, accusing
Speaker 1: her of plagiarism. I mean, it's like it's crazy, but
Speaker 1: there's other But then there's stuff that makes like they
Speaker 1: both do not come off well. I'll by Robert Kulker
Speaker 1: something that is not So is there a relation between
Speaker 1: the person who's writing the story and the two friends?
Speaker 1: Like I don't think so. And so the two friends
Speaker 1: named Sonya Larson is the one who wrote about the
Speaker 1: kidney donation. Don Dorland is the one who donated her
Speaker 1: kidney Sonya Larson has is a bit more accomplished as
Speaker 1: a writer. And it's like it's become a public feud
Speaker 1: because she was trying to publish it. And that's why
Speaker 1: it's a story, because it does feel like the sort
Speaker 1: of drama you would see on Facebook and not in
Speaker 1: the page of the New York Times. Right. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly how it came to the attention of the Times.
Speaker 1: I know that John Dorland had been trying to get
Speaker 1: the story published for a while, but that's not that's
Speaker 1: what sort of said is an aside, like, oh, and
Speaker 1: by the way, she had been trying to get this published,
Speaker 1: the story about feeling that she was wronged by the writing, okay.
Speaker 1: And then last question, which want to like I I
Speaker 1: don't know which of those is the bad art friend?
Speaker 1: That is I have the beholder got it okay, because
Speaker 1: I was just picturing somebody who was like that at
Speaker 1: art as a as a friend, right, making you'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: dudefu bad art friend that I thought it was when
Speaker 1: I was first asked by her message, go did you
Speaker 1: read it. I was like, is this about like friends
Speaker 1: you have whose art sucks but you support them and
Speaker 1: like you'll never tell them that the art is bad.
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh my god, Yeah, I love to
Speaker 1: cree that your growth as a creator. Yeah, can I go?
Speaker 1: Can I go? Can I go? Let's get out of here,
Speaker 1: bad improv friend? Yeah, exactly. The specific line I believe
Speaker 1: it comes because Sonja says that Dawn is being a
Speaker 1: bad art friend, because a good art friend would never
Speaker 1: stand in the way of someone else's storytell So now
Speaker 1: I have to reading assignment. So I have the New
Speaker 1: York Times article about this, and then I have to
Speaker 1: read the short story. Correct. I don't know that the
Speaker 1: short story if it's as relevant, but I know people
Speaker 1: don't know. People have not done that as part of
Speaker 1: the assignment. Yeah, that's extra extra credit, extra Okay that
Speaker 1: I do not do extra credit. So that's great extra
Speaker 1: credit because I will just I will just hound the
Speaker 1: professor during office hours and demand they change my grade. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Did that ever work for you? No? I never did
Speaker 1: that ship because I thought that was the like just
Speaker 1: so fucking whacked to be like, you didn't do the work,
Speaker 1: and now you're complaining about how the ship was too hard,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, no, no, just be like me.
Speaker 1: Cheat off your classmates, keep your head low, take that see,
Speaker 1: and then you're good. Yeah, you cheated off your classmates
Speaker 1: to get a see. I mean well, I mean it's
Speaker 1: like I'm something of the lowest and like Allison to
Speaker 1: say that, there were some lecture classes that I don't
Speaker 1: know if I was physically there. Apparently I was according
Speaker 1: to the sign and cheat. But you know we all
Speaker 1: did college indicate Yeah, I think, especially when I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a sucking scam. Yeah, maybe all this in
Speaker 1: high school for what for what? The worst grade I
Speaker 1: ever got in college? I got a D on a
Speaker 1: group project paper that where we were like, basically it
Speaker 1: was a class that like the professor never changed the tests,
Speaker 1: so it's just like, yeah, so you just always had
Speaker 1: the answers all the tests and I had just completely
Speaker 1: written the test off and then we got a D
Speaker 1: on the things it's not good. We had our ap
Speaker 1: europh story teacher old dude. See now, bro, he didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't change ship. And I'll be like, yo, we
Speaker 1: got a pop quiz, but I got the answers right
Speaker 1: here for five, would were you outside the classroom like
Speaker 1: to find me by the flagpole? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: During the question, I was there serving fucking papers and tests.
Speaker 1: Was always been you know, Alison, what is something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? Oh my god? Okay, so I have
Speaker 1: a lot? I wrote down a lot. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: obviously just gonna give you one, but I'm just choosing.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to have for me to choose here,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm gonna say, and this is controversial,
Speaker 1: but and this also shows my age. I think I
Speaker 1: have begun to feel that texting is overrated. It's so convenient,
Speaker 1: so of course my communication with other people has done
Speaker 1: via text. However, I just feel I also find lately
Speaker 1: that I'm starting to be that person who's like, can
Speaker 1: I give you a call? Because it's just so much easier,
Speaker 1: oftentimes faster, it takes more energy. But actually, oh, I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm this person, uh just talking to so
Speaker 1: much is lost on text. And also it actually like
Speaker 1: my thumbs get tired, my fingers feel fat. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's sometimes times, if it's if you're
Speaker 1: trying to make plans, I find and if you're trying
Speaker 1: to make plans and there's multiple variables a phone call
Speaker 1: or occasionally a voice memo. It just gets it done
Speaker 1: faster and easier and there's less chance for a miscommunication.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, email, texting, I think are all Generally they
Speaker 1: seem like the most convenient thing, especially for me, somebody
Speaker 1: who has like social anxiety, and so every conversation is
Speaker 1: built up in my mind ahead of the time, like
Speaker 1: this is going to be hard, and then they're always
Speaker 1: pretty painless. But this person is going to yell at
Speaker 1: me if I are so mad, I can tell based
Speaker 1: on their text, right, okay, I'm I'm free, Then okay,
Speaker 1: I'm free. You have to wear body armor for this.
Speaker 1: A voice call is downright aggressive in this day and age.
Speaker 1: But I just think we're missing something by insisting on texting,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't think there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that can cannot be solved efficiently over text. Like you're
Speaker 1: saying like because if you're on because watch like you're
Speaker 1: saying Alice, and you're trying to plan something, but you
Speaker 1: know it's probably there's like three conditions may have to
Speaker 1: be meant for this other person. That's a fucking potentially
Speaker 1: two and a half hour conversation Twitter like a text
Speaker 1: exchange and you're like yeah, blah blah blah, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well if this other thing happens, okay, well then look
Speaker 1: into that because if we can, then I can. We
Speaker 1: can try and adjust it like this, and then you
Speaker 1: do it incrementally versus hopping on the phone like hey,
Speaker 1: I got reservations here, but if you can't make it,
Speaker 1: we can shift to this time, except we would have
Speaker 1: to sit here blah blah blah blah blah. Done exactly,
Speaker 1: but exactly. Yes, last night I gotta Greg fitz Simmons,
Speaker 1: with whom I do childish. We had our time set
Speaker 1: for the podcast today and then he's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: messed up. Can you do this time? And it We
Speaker 1: went back a couple of times on text, and then
Speaker 1: I just called him because I knew it was going
Speaker 1: to get it was gonna be fo texts and also
Speaker 1: texting like gives you permission to I think I think you,
Speaker 1: at least I tend to give myself permission to be
Speaker 1: like more, I don't know you could you. It gives you,
Speaker 1: It grants you an emotional remove whereas if you're talking
Speaker 1: to somebody, You're going to be more yourself and like
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit warmer. I feel like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that'd be interesting experience experiment, because like
Speaker 1: everyone has people they text with like nearly every day
Speaker 1: or every other day, when if you're like, what if
Speaker 1: we just caught up on the phone for fifteen minutes? Right?
Speaker 1: You see, I don't even want to do that, despite
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but be good. Yeah, no, I'll look,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to connect with people and just trying to
Speaker 1: be more efficient. That's right. Thank you for seeing when
Speaker 1: I completely misunderstood I'm saying. It's not about in connection no, no,
Speaker 1: but saving my thumbs a little bit of energy, that's right. No,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. You're right, No, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it would be interesting. There's this old uh
Speaker 1: I forget if it was. It was like a magazine
Speaker 1: article that I must have been like trapped on a
Speaker 1: plane without any WiFi, And because I as I was
Speaker 1: reading it, I was like, why the fuck is the
Speaker 1: same magazine article about like how they saved the World
Speaker 1: War Z movie like it was a mess, and they
Speaker 1: like basically brought in this fixer who's like a Hollywood
Speaker 1: producer who they bring in anytime like something's fucked up.
Speaker 1: And their main innovation is they refused to read email
Speaker 1: or texts and everything has to take place in conversation
Speaker 1: or you just like come by and see them. And
Speaker 1: I don't know that gave me permission to uh stop
Speaker 1: reading emails, just ignoring everyone's we haven't been able to
Speaker 1: get ahold of you. Yeah, but did you hear about
Speaker 1: the guy who saved World War z? Uh? Let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come back and find out
Speaker 1: what you think is underrated? M And we're back and
Speaker 1: it's time to find out als and what is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Brain teasers? I don't hear about
Speaker 1: brain teasers ever anymore, and I don't know where they're hiding.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm just people think that I'm
Speaker 1: not a brain teaser person, but I really get a
Speaker 1: kick out of them growing up. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you hear about the twins, one always lies, one always
Speaker 1: tells the truth, and you hear about the three light bulbs,
Speaker 1: or like broken glass water, a dead body, what happened?
Speaker 1: I love stuff like that. I don't ever hear them anymore?
Speaker 1: Where are they? Yeah? What the I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about that? Now, Maybe I need to be looking at
Speaker 1: readers digested. Do they have brain teasers in there? I
Speaker 1: just googled brain teasers for adults and the number one
Speaker 1: result is fifty eight brain teasers that will leave you stumped. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. You're ready. Yeah. A man pushes his
Speaker 1: car to a hotel, and there's ned covering up the
Speaker 1: rest of us. A man pushes this car to a
Speaker 1: hotel and tells the owner he's bankrupt. Why that's okay?
Speaker 1: Is that a joke that feels like more of a
Speaker 1: joke than it's similar to the one I'll give you.
Speaker 1: Do you feel stumped? Do you feel stumped me? I'll
Speaker 1: give you a corollary one that I heard as a
Speaker 1: kid that might help you explain this. A guy is
Speaker 1: running home. It's Halloween. There's a man waiting at home
Speaker 1: with a mask who he's afraid of, but he keeps running.
Speaker 1: Do you know that one he's running home there's a
Speaker 1: there's a man with a mask that he's afraid of,
Speaker 1: so he keeps running. So I'm guessing it's like a
Speaker 1: medical mask or something not not a Halloween mask. So
Speaker 1: it's a it's the World Series. It's baseball. He's running
Speaker 1: to home plate and there's the guy waiting. There's the
Speaker 1: catcher who has a ball, but he has to keep going.
Speaker 1: So this one is he's playing monopoly. So a man
Speaker 1: pushed his car at the hotel tells the owner's backs.
Speaker 1: See that's see that's culturally biased. Maybe they're not underrated.
Speaker 1: Fuck these ones, I don't know. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Amazon. They were close to building a warehouse facility
Speaker 1: in al cahoone and then they found out about a
Speaker 1: law that San Diego County was implementing that basically makes
Speaker 1: it so that you have to pay your workers a
Speaker 1: livable wage give them oh oh they're going to cost
Speaker 1: and also somebody taking off in a penis shaped rocket.
Speaker 1: What prevailing union wages? Um so yeah, Also fifty six
Speaker 1: hours of annual sickly for work, just you know, the basics,
Speaker 1: humane working conditions with livel paying wages that are life
Speaker 1: sustaining and not subsubsistence wages. And that's Amazon was like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: We're actually gonna cancel this. And but here's the thing.
Speaker 1: They're a spokesperson and all of their what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: they'll never admit that it's because of this. They said. Oh,
Speaker 1: while we have decided not to pursue the side at alcohol,
Speaker 1: we continue to assess opportunities to invest and grow across
Speaker 1: the region. We appreciate the time and attention committed committed
Speaker 1: by the City of San Diego, as well as local
Speaker 1: community leaders and officials. Amazon is a dynamic business and
Speaker 1: we are constantly exploring new locations. We weigh variety of
Speaker 1: factors on deciding where to develop future sites to best
Speaker 1: serve our customers, and this common for us to explore
Speaker 1: multiple locations simultaneously and just and adjust based on our
Speaker 1: operational needs, which is to pay people. Fuck all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we enjoyed meeting a few, but after talking with corporate,
Speaker 1: we've decided to go a different direction. We'll definitely keep
Speaker 1: you in mind though. That's what it feels like, right
Speaker 1: right right, I mean, that would keep in mind that
Speaker 1: was haunting that that was an amazing ability to slip
Speaker 1: into hr speak. That was me applying for jobs in
Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Yeah, every time there's a book good
Speaker 1: too great about companies that like beat stock market expectations
Speaker 1: consistently over decades, and it has this like central principle
Speaker 1: called the hedgehog principle, where every company that thrives as
Speaker 1: hard as Amazon has for like the past third years,
Speaker 1: has like one thing that they do better than anyone
Speaker 1: else in the world, and they just repeatedly double down
Speaker 1: on that thing over and over. And for Amazon, that
Speaker 1: thing is extracting inhumane amounts of work out of people
Speaker 1: while paying them low wages and then hiding that process
Speaker 1: from the consumer so that it seems like it's just
Speaker 1: a fucking magic trick, like they're able to perform miracles
Speaker 1: where you click a button and the thing arrives at
Speaker 1: your house, to the degree that I feel like it
Speaker 1: has changed how we think of the time space continuum.
Speaker 1: Like I was, I was in the woods over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Can't can't go camping without bragging about it because I
Speaker 1: built a fire like a yeah, like a real yeah,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Anyways. My five year old was
Speaker 1: as I was sucking up dinner, you know, hot dogs
Speaker 1: and mac and cheese over a campfire. Mac and cheese
Speaker 1: apparently shouldn't have a little black things in it, and
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, let's just order sushi and have
Speaker 1: it appear out in the woods because Amazon has you know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not like Amazon is our food delivery
Speaker 1: service of but I feel like just generally, it has
Speaker 1: created a reality where things can be ordered on your
Speaker 1: phone and magically appear, and so I like explain to it, well,
Speaker 1: there's actually like people who do that work and would
Speaker 1: have to drive all the way out here, and like
Speaker 1: it's just not possible. But yeah, the the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not just magically appearing, that people are doing backbreaking
Speaker 1: work to make these things appear and being paid poorly.
Speaker 1: Is that's the thing that they figured out. My kids
Speaker 1: have the same well, not owing so much. He's only two,
Speaker 1: but Elliott, his four is all about but can we
Speaker 1: buy it on your phone? Can we buy it on
Speaker 1: your computer? That is where everything comes. Yes, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: literally like a magic trip. Like just even when I
Speaker 1: order something and it takes, you know, ten days or something.
Speaker 1: I'm always stunned by this because I am also so
Speaker 1: used to just clicking something and then you know before
Speaker 1: right when you navigate away from that page and there's
Speaker 1: already an email thanking you for your order. And then
Speaker 1: it arrives in a couple of days. I mean, it is,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's so convenient that we we
Speaker 1: all choose to ignore the reality of how it's happening.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's sort of like, uh, like buying
Speaker 1: a piece of chicken. You don't you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to think about that there was a head attached
Speaker 1: to this. I'd rather just push that out of my head. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just kind of the there. Their model
Speaker 1: is to break the social contract but hide that from
Speaker 1: people so they don't have to think about it or
Speaker 1: just or that it's like hey, I mean they're they're
Speaker 1: breaking the social contract. But like I got this fucking
Speaker 1: waterproof bluetooth speaker in like eighteen hours though yea the
Speaker 1: same day delivery, right. And it's also caused me to
Speaker 1: like realize too, like to actually try and challenge myself
Speaker 1: to not rely on like that instant gratification aspect, especially
Speaker 1: like with consumer goods, Like I'll try and go to
Speaker 1: a store if I can, just to kind of remind
Speaker 1: myself that there is this, like there's a process to
Speaker 1: things still, because when it gets so obscured versus like
Speaker 1: click click click, click, clicking, it's here. I'm I find
Speaker 1: myself getting a little more like impatient, Like you know,
Speaker 1: especially like when I was like trying to get stuff
Speaker 1: like a move or something like having to order things
Speaker 1: and do all this other kind of stuff. I just
Speaker 1: became more and more impatient because I've lost touch like
Speaker 1: the former reality, which is to be like, all right,
Speaker 1: we gotta get in the car and go to the
Speaker 1: store to get this stuff today. But you know, but
Speaker 1: it has made things easier for other people, so to
Speaker 1: each their own, but I'm I can see being a
Speaker 1: slippery slope for me. Yeah. We are back and forth
Speaker 1: between like never using Amazon and then like occasionally using
Speaker 1: it when like something is needed. But we are generally
Speaker 1: trying to be a no Amazon household, and it definitely
Speaker 1: adds days to the process. But it's definitely the Other
Speaker 1: thing that's good is most places that you would buy
Speaker 1: something off of, like buy something from Amazon, Like if
Speaker 1: you go to their website, they're usually yo, get off,
Speaker 1: just off the rip. Because we're competing with ourselves against Amazon,
Speaker 1: Brussel ship it pretty quickly. And when I actually kind
Speaker 1: of started looking at it like that, and I'm like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: it's really not that hard, especially if you know, and
Speaker 1: if I needed something immediately like band aids and ship
Speaker 1: go to CBS. Yeah exactly, Amazon Prime that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. It's good. Like our brains work better when
Speaker 1: our feed are moving, So it's good to like go
Speaker 1: do something instead of just making it vis CBS, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Don't you think of a little the little guy? Yeah, Walgreens. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about Seattle cops. They are protesting the
Speaker 1: demand that they get the vaccine that is that has
Speaker 1: proven to be a bridge too far to protect themselves
Speaker 1: from a thing that is the number one killer of
Speaker 1: police in the nation. Yeah. If you go to the
Speaker 1: officer down memorial page like website where it's there to
Speaker 1: like honor phone law enforcement, the COVID page is so
Speaker 1: lengthy and like it's wild when you scroll, because you'll
Speaker 1: see like clusters of multiple deaths, like in a certain place,
Speaker 1: like whether it's a correctional facility or like a smaller
Speaker 1: sheriff's office. But even on that page that's like ran
Speaker 1: to like honor the phone, they're like, please get the
Speaker 1: fucking vaccine. It's the number one killer of law enforcement. Please.
Speaker 1: But most people have looked at this as just a
Speaker 1: culture war thing as it evolved out of the uprising.
Speaker 1: They think of last summer, and you know, every every
Speaker 1: place is dealing with a different way. In California, you've
Speaker 1: got Alex killing Aueva. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Alex Villan Aueva,
Speaker 1: the sheriff. You're saying, I'm not going to enforce vaccine mandates.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose half my guys and then they won't
Speaker 1: be able to be current in their deputy gangs. Google
Speaker 1: l A s D gangs also quick reminder, and then
Speaker 1: also if you look in Oregon, there was state troopers
Speaker 1: who tried to get a judge to block the governor's
Speaker 1: vaccuum mandate. The judge was like, this is well within
Speaker 1: their like per view as governor to mandate this for
Speaker 1: public health people because they're trying to protect you and
Speaker 1: the general public from the ills of pandemic. And with
Speaker 1: Seattle there they have about thirty eight percent of their
Speaker 1: like officers and staff are not vaccinated and the deadline
Speaker 1: is approaching, and the mayor has been trying to do
Speaker 1: like all this stuff like okay, well, if you how
Speaker 1: about more paid leave, how's how's how how's it an
Speaker 1: additional forty hours of paid leave to address any pandemic
Speaker 1: COVID related issues that you have to address. We'll give
Speaker 1: you that time off in addition to the forty hours
Speaker 1: paid leave we gave you at the beginning of this pandemic.
Speaker 1: So you have two three weeks just to use for
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, has COVID related? No? Still no,
Speaker 1: still want to You're really gonna turn your back on
Speaker 1: these pensions that people are paying through their teeth for. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a waiting game to see
Speaker 1: what happens with a mayor does not seem very you know,
Speaker 1: doesn't seem quick to suddenly be like, oh, yes, religious
Speaker 1: exemptions for a city that's famously not religious. And then
Speaker 1: the New York Post, of course tied it to how
Speaker 1: me and everybody's been to police for for a long
Speaker 1: time now, you know, wn't you think of their feelings.
Speaker 1: There's this quote in this article. The environment has been
Speaker 1: pretty toxic and negative, one unnamed officer told Fox thirteen News,
Speaker 1: not just from this whole mandate, but prior to that
Speaker 1: as well. I'm not sure this would be a good
Speaker 1: place for me to work long term for my mental health.
Speaker 1: It has been very stressful. There's episode of Friends where
Speaker 1: where Joey has a hernia. He's in a lot of
Speaker 1: pain from his hernia and he doesn't have health insurance,
Speaker 1: but he's like, if I get health insurance, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get lazy, And they're all like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking? Like you you're in the midst of a
Speaker 1: medical emergency right now. He's talking about like the you know,
Speaker 1: elective surgeries he might get. And for some reason that
Speaker 1: I keep being reminded of that, Like there is a
Speaker 1: pandemic that is trying to kill all of us, and
Speaker 1: people are sitting there being like, hm, but what about
Speaker 1: my freedom to resist the DA DA DA? And I
Speaker 1: know that in their distorted or well in view of
Speaker 1: what's going on, like people are using the emergence, you know,
Speaker 1: this deadly pandemic as an excuse to enforce compliance or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I just I'm so, so, so, so so frustrated
Speaker 1: by the anti bactors. I went on kind of a
Speaker 1: social media binge over the weekend because I've become aware.
Speaker 1: I become very aware that I have a phone compulsion addiction,
Speaker 1: and an episode of my show. My guest was Pete Holmes,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about it, and he kind of
Speaker 1: held a unflattering mirror up to me regarding the in
Speaker 1: in a in a gentle kind way, like regarding the
Speaker 1: phone compulsion addiction and like not making me happy. And
Speaker 1: so in that conversation I kind of realized, like, I
Speaker 1: need to get a grip on this and probably be
Speaker 1: on my phone less. So in light of that, I
Speaker 1: felt like I went on like one last hurrah, and
Speaker 1: just like the wheels came off and I barely saw
Speaker 1: my family all weekend because I was just fighting with
Speaker 1: anti factors online and it was such a waste of
Speaker 1: time and it was so stupid, and I'm still irritated
Speaker 1: that I spent my time that way, and I don't
Speaker 1: think I moved the needle for anyone, But you know, ultimately,
Speaker 1: I was just going back and forth with someone who's
Speaker 1: like definitely a follower of Q who believes there's a
Speaker 1: huge conspiracy going on and wouldn't even tell me what
Speaker 1: the conspiracy is. She's like, you gotta go to this website,
Speaker 1: make an account like this website where free speech is allowed,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why can't you you just tell me,
Speaker 1: like this is like an MLM. Like she just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: She's like, I've told you where to go to get
Speaker 1: the information. It's called research, and it's so factual that
Speaker 1: they have to behind it. I'm like, why can't you
Speaker 1: just tell me? She's like, because you wouldn't believe, Like
Speaker 1: you have to see it to believe it, to start
Speaker 1: by accepting that everything you think you know is a lie. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean no I haven't. It's so oh my god.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, are like, ultimately does it all come
Speaker 1: down to, like, are they followers of Q do they
Speaker 1: believe there's a huge conspiracy? I think? Are they just dumb?
Speaker 1: What's going on? If? I mean, it's a good if
Speaker 1: the door is creaky in a jar to to the
Speaker 1: queue room, if you're in the lobby of anti vax
Speaker 1: you know that's for sure. So it's easy to because
Speaker 1: I mean, already there is so much conspiratorial thinking around
Speaker 1: what this vaccine is or is not that I think
Speaker 1: that's that's a really good right, good good soil, for
Speaker 1: fertile soil for to be able to sprout new green
Speaker 1: shoots of other conspiratorial thinking as well. But then there
Speaker 1: are people who are just like you know, o G
Speaker 1: like people who just don't like vaccines, who I'm somehow like,
Speaker 1: how have how have you not gone to Q world
Speaker 1: yet you're just still just being like no, man, it's
Speaker 1: these vaccines just very narrowly because my whole thing is
Speaker 1: like big pharma conspiracies. But I love Costco. Uh right,
Speaker 1: all right, Uh maybe that's how you've justified your beliefs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think it's a it's a
Speaker 1: broad spectrum, but I've definitely seen people go from flat
Speaker 1: earth to Q or from flat earth to anti vaccine
Speaker 1: to QUE. There's very there's I mean, hey, there's so
Speaker 1: many ways you can get there. I'm just wondering what
Speaker 1: these cops, Like, why are they It's the same with
Speaker 1: healthcare workers who won't get the vaccine, Like what is
Speaker 1: going on? And yet the vast majority of doctors who
Speaker 1: have a greater understanding of medicine are vaccinated. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there's there's with the cops. I think it's it
Speaker 1: really boils down to the same people who had our
Speaker 1: backs in the summer of are people who don't like vaccines,
Speaker 1: so I think, and because there's a lot of overlap
Speaker 1: there anyway. It was just sort of like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't about what you say is a real vaccine
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm already in a sort of mindset where
Speaker 1: I'm not going to hand Joe Biden a win or
Speaker 1: liberals a win or anything like that. So that's how
Speaker 1: I'm probably like looking at it, because there are cops
Speaker 1: that are vaccinated who are just like, no, man, I've
Speaker 1: seen so too many other cops died, So why the
Speaker 1: funk would I do this? So even within that, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's, you know, there it's hard to really parse
Speaker 1: through all the differences, but I think a huge block
Speaker 1: of these people are the same ones who are you know,
Speaker 1: hate the a language of reforming law enforcement in any
Speaker 1: shape or form, And because people who want to reform
Speaker 1: law enforcement tend to also believe in vaccines, then it's
Speaker 1: like just an athemat of them, right right. It's it's
Speaker 1: also strikes me as like, hey, issue with just the
Speaker 1: culture in police forces very much, you know it Well,
Speaker 1: it started as with, you know, just just technologically the
Speaker 1: stuff they were inheriting from the military was very much
Speaker 1: like we're taking this technology of this war technology, these weapons,
Speaker 1: these vehicles that the military uses in well like being
Speaker 1: an invading force in a land where they view everybody
Speaker 1: as an enemy. And that has always been but like
Speaker 1: increasingly is how police forces view the communities that they
Speaker 1: police in a lot like that seems to be the
Speaker 1: mainstream way of viewing it. And so just having a
Speaker 1: protest where there ways of operating is questioned, like I
Speaker 1: think just I think you're right. It's just like created
Speaker 1: this like cultural like rift in police forces where they
Speaker 1: were just like all right, now now it's really on now,
Speaker 1: like this is kind of what they always wanted to believe,
Speaker 1: is that everybody was against them and that they were
Speaker 1: the last good guys in a land that is like
Speaker 1: lost its soul or whatever. And so now this and yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a scary overlap between that and and queue, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems like very This was always
Speaker 1: like one of my big concerns when like in the
Speaker 1: kind of years of the Trump administration was that like
Speaker 1: if they just openly got the police to join in
Speaker 1: on whatever fucking wild conspiracy that he was going to
Speaker 1: make up like that, that that's a pretty powerful force
Speaker 1: that they have on their side. It felt like that
Speaker 1: happened at times. Yeah, yeah, in small pockets. But it's
Speaker 1: like one of those things like if suddenly, you know,
Speaker 1: every every department was like, no, we're going lockstep with
Speaker 1: what this guys saying, Yeah, then you truly have your
Speaker 1: shock troops that are armed like on the streets to
Speaker 1: write like remember an Oregon when when vans were picking
Speaker 1: up protesters that, yeah, that felt like that was happening. Then, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, like in a in like that way where
Speaker 1: they're like ship people are actually videotaping us. All right,
Speaker 1: dial that back a little bit, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's sort of I think like we've seen people feel
Speaker 1: that based on how the president was talking when it
Speaker 1: was Trump that then they suddenly they had carte blanche
Speaker 1: to do whatever the funk they wanted. In some places,
Speaker 1: you know, quite took it that way. But and I
Speaker 1: get that minds. I don't condone it at all. But
Speaker 1: like I as an observer, I understand that mindset. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how that extends to therefore I won't
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. Like that's the link that I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I think because on something just and I think just
Speaker 1: basic you know, psychological terms to take the vaccine would
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're in a situation that you're completely out
Speaker 1: of control, like and where you're completely out of control
Speaker 1: because they if I don't take it, and I don't,
Speaker 1: I never got it, then I'm in control based on
Speaker 1: my very narrow view of what control is or what
Speaker 1: outside factors affect my life. But if you suddenly capitulate
Speaker 1: and you're like, fuck, yeah, I gotta I got the vaccine,
Speaker 1: then now you're you're fully I can imagine. I'd imagine
Speaker 1: like if you're so afraid to like to to relinquish
Speaker 1: your perception of what control you have over your life too,
Speaker 1: then to be like technology, there's ship that I'm not
Speaker 1: in control of and this is the best thing to
Speaker 1: protect me. That's just, again, I think, just too much
Speaker 1: for somebody to go there, because it's easier to just
Speaker 1: stay in this very rigid mindset where well, if I
Speaker 1: don't do this, then it's fine because I've been okay
Speaker 1: and I'm in control. It's just me and my god
Speaker 1: given antibodies and the dozens of other vaccines that have
Speaker 1: kept me alive to the point, it's about sunlight, vitamins,
Speaker 1: healthy food, natural menity, The person I was going back
Speaker 1: and forth with told me she'll pray for me, because
Speaker 1: clearly I've gotten the experimentally, isn't it I've gotten the
Speaker 1: experimental job. I don't even want to find out what
Speaker 1: I put in my body and that I probably have
Speaker 1: about three years max. Yeah, them to pray for you,
Speaker 1: isn't that so sweet? Well, at one point I just wrote,
Speaker 1: Jesus is pro vax. I don't like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I was doing. Yeah, alright, where's that picture where
Speaker 1: like you know those old like fucking paintings like of
Speaker 1: Jesus doing yeah, exactly, like but Jesus getting vaccinated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, someone should do that. They're at direct
Speaker 1: cross purposes, although I guess you could when you're talking about, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Haroin one. So there's a Haroin one where like
Speaker 1: a junkie is like shooting up and Jesus is putting
Speaker 1: his arm in place to be like, I'll take the
Speaker 1: suffering for you, which actually just seems greedy if you yeah,
Speaker 1: from the Hey look at this right, it's not like
Speaker 1: Jesus is gonna have O d uh say the best
Speaker 1: of all, but like why they could just be like that,
Speaker 1: just label that vaccine and put that down there like
Speaker 1: it would have the same message. Right, Oh yeah, helping
Speaker 1: them avoid the vaccine. Right, and Christ is again once
Speaker 1: again giving up his body so you can be free
Speaker 1: in the Kingdom of Heaven. Oh my god, Jack, I
Speaker 1: might have to I might have to switch lines here
Speaker 1: and be like a psi op against like evangelicals. Oh man, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you really we're really thinking about this?
Speaker 1: How Christ is you know when uh, you got the
Speaker 1: vaccine and suddenly there was just one set of footsteps
Speaker 1: on the beach. Why did you forsake me when I
Speaker 1: got the job? Jesus was actually caring you over his
Speaker 1: head like a w W wrestlers just about the body slam. Or.
Speaker 1: You're a guy who says you had in your death
Speaker 1: experience you went to the gates of heaven and they
Speaker 1: almost sent you to hell because you weren't vaccinated. Because
Speaker 1: you were vaccinated. Right, No, no, no, that you weren't.
Speaker 1: Just to get more people on board, You're like, no, man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've never been more frightened than when
Speaker 1: I looked St. Peter in his eyes and he said,
Speaker 1: I will cast you to the depths of Hell for
Speaker 1: not getting the Maderna Johnson and Johnson or fazer BioNTech
Speaker 1: and I'm r Ana vaccinent. Okay, yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll come back and hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll have time to talk about catch. Guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've left ourselves the forty five minutes that
Speaker 1: the subject clearly deserves. But we'll see. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and the question on everyone's lips is couch catch cheating
Speaker 1: or are we just pathetic and very bored us? Yeah? People,
Speaker 1: I did not know. Yeah, I did not know what
Speaker 1: this was until you wrote this compelling story. And like me,
Speaker 1: I need I need a younger person to ask me
Speaker 1: what I think in a text mess by what huh? Who? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he cheating? But yes, the latest
Speaker 1: TikTok fad is analyzing just a fairly innocuous video of
Speaker 1: a young woman going to surprise her long distance boyfriend
Speaker 1: at his college and she had helped from mutual friends
Speaker 1: to pull the surprise off, and they even recorded it,
Speaker 1: and she was just more like, this is a nice
Speaker 1: moment and I just wanted to put it this. It's
Speaker 1: very uneventful. I will describe it to you she enters
Speaker 1: with her rollie bag. Some people in the apartment were like, oh,
Speaker 1: look who it is there. Her boyfriend is on the
Speaker 1: couch with two other women. He gets up slowly. He's
Speaker 1: not outwardly, you know, like beaming with smiles or anything,
Speaker 1: or jumping up and down or screaming or being smiling,
Speaker 1: though he's covering his face like oh my god, like
Speaker 1: it's but I've seen it's not. Yeah, I've seen surprise
Speaker 1: party reactions though that are very similar. Like the person
Speaker 1: just like almost feels like sheepish, like they've been tricked.
Speaker 1: They're happy, but like they're like, oh my god, you guys,
Speaker 1: I didn't believe it. That's the sort of ambiguity that's
Speaker 1: generating all of this talk. Because again, he gets up,
Speaker 1: hugs are it's over. It's kind of boring if you
Speaker 1: just look at it as you know, whatever video that
Speaker 1: you think would go viral is there's like music playing
Speaker 1: in it that sounds like some ship that would be
Speaker 1: blaring out of like a Karen's car to call the
Speaker 1: cops on you because a wheely on your bicycle in
Speaker 1: front of her neighbor's house. Okay, but yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think we've all seen the clip. Yes, yes, and again
Speaker 1: this has created so much commentary and analysis where everyone goes,
Speaker 1: the way this dude got up is sus. The way
Speaker 1: that the two chicks on the couch they didn't do nothing,
Speaker 1: They weren't happy or anything, suss. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: had a woman's hair tie on his wrist, sus he was.
Speaker 1: I think he hit his he got his phone from
Speaker 1: underneath his arm. That the young woman sitting next to
Speaker 1: him handing him suss. Why does she have his phone right?
Speaker 1: And why are you handing it back like that like
Speaker 1: you're doing like a you know, they like a coordinated,
Speaker 1: coordinated body language thing. Yeah. So again I present to
Speaker 1: you all you what is everyone's assessment is? First of all,
Speaker 1: do you think it's so apparent that it deserves all
Speaker 1: of this attention that or is it possible that he's
Speaker 1: just awkward and was like, Yo, you're shooting this ship too.
Speaker 1: I told you I hate this TikTok ship, but it
Speaker 1: is I will just say at the outside, like there
Speaker 1: are probably a hundred other examples of very similar videos
Speaker 1: because everything has been filmed on social media, very similar
Speaker 1: videos where the person was clearly not happy to see
Speaker 1: them this, I think is only becoming a thing because
Speaker 1: it's so like down the middle and boring that you
Speaker 1: can kind of project anything you want onto it and
Speaker 1: with bad art friend all over again. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: so I think. I think the point is not that
Speaker 1: it's obvious. The point is that there are so many
Speaker 1: fun boys out there who are like, oh, what are
Speaker 1: you doing here? Why? Wait? Why did you? Why did
Speaker 1: you come? Like you know who would respond to this
Speaker 1: like in a very shady and obvious way. But the
Speaker 1: fact that this person was kind of subdued and that
Speaker 1: allows you to kind of both be outraged that people
Speaker 1: are making a big deal out of it, or also
Speaker 1: outraged on the behalf of the surprise. E is you
Speaker 1: guys lady friends? Yeah? Yeah, but Alison, I want to
Speaker 1: hear you. My reaction was, he doesn't seem excited to
Speaker 1: see her. He didn't. Now I if I I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if I had just seen it without knowing that you know,
Speaker 1: that it was the couch guy video, if I might
Speaker 1: have had a different reaction because I was primed to
Speaker 1: notice things that seemed off. But I bought. I buy
Speaker 1: into the idea that they are not going to last
Speaker 1: because he really didn't see he didn't pop up. I
Speaker 1: didn't see him smiling, but maybe he wasn't. I can't
Speaker 1: see that well anymore. But I sound like I'm like
Speaker 1: years old. Was the last this is my last podcast episode.
Speaker 1: In my day, we watched Friends and Got Vaccine one
Speaker 1: where Joey. But anyway, to me, the whole thing was
Speaker 1: like passing the phone. I tried to see that and
Speaker 1: see if there's anything to suspective about that. I that
Speaker 1: didn't really read to me, but my in general, my
Speaker 1: reaction was like, yeah, he really took a long time
Speaker 1: to get up. He didn't seem overjoyed. However, in my day,
Speaker 1: we smoked pot in college and we would have taken
Speaker 1: a long time to get off the couch. So if
Speaker 1: the answer was they were all really stoned, that would
Speaker 1: explain everything to me. But no one has offered that.
Speaker 1: I don't. For me, I'm not in the camp that
Speaker 1: he's cheating. I didn't see any cheat or tradecraft, so
Speaker 1: to speak, occurring in the video. What would that be
Speaker 1: over excitement? Yeah, yeah, just some some, just some. I
Speaker 1: these are the things I would believe that I don't
Speaker 1: know what year of college they're in, but trust me,
Speaker 1: if it's the first two chances are he's checked the
Speaker 1: funk out over a long distance relationship, and he was
Speaker 1: probably sitting with these two ladies that who knows if
Speaker 1: he I've been in that place. And you start being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just not working out between us. We barely
Speaker 1: see because really what you're doing is you're you're being like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of open to ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's IM gonna come to you with
Speaker 1: some of my problems right now. And it felt like
Speaker 1: his energy may have been more like, oh, ship, she's here, y'all.
Speaker 1: The one I was telling you a girl like how
Speaker 1: you've been there's definitely I will give I will give that.
Speaker 1: His his response is one that I would be a
Speaker 1: little bit maybe upset about if I was the person surprising.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I can see cheating off
Speaker 1: the out the gate like other people are this. Do
Speaker 1: you see the one where like the woman was analyzing
Speaker 1: it and she's like these two other girls in the thing,
Speaker 1: they are not her friend and other women know this.
Speaker 1: They weren't happy for her when she came in. They
Speaker 1: didn't get up and embrace her with open arms. Those
Speaker 1: aren't your friends, And chances are they weren't because maybe
Speaker 1: you just popped in on him in some random, really
Speaker 1: nice apartment because that apartment was really nice. Why would
Speaker 1: why would why would it? Why would you think they
Speaker 1: were her friends. She's surprised that's exactly her boyfriend out
Speaker 1: of college that she doesn't go to. He is smiling.
Speaker 1: I'm just rewatching it over and over again. He's kind
Speaker 1: of beaming and just like a little bit subdued and
Speaker 1: kind of being like, oh my god, like he I
Speaker 1: can guarantee they're not going to stay together because they
Speaker 1: are in a long distance relationship well and college. But
Speaker 1: it has nothing, it has nothing to do with this
Speaker 1: video and this whole thing, because people are looking at
Speaker 1: this clip like the fuckings the Pruder film, trying to
Speaker 1: be like, oh just just sprain here, like look look
Speaker 1: going on there. No, no, no, no, no, this says everything,
Speaker 1: even though it doesn't. There now the people that are
Speaker 1: in the video are like so tired of all the attention.
Speaker 1: Couch guy, he like he put out a tweet or
Speaker 1: something he said, quote not everything is true crime, don't
Speaker 1: be a para social creep. And then other people said
Speaker 1: you can gaslight your girlfriends. You can't gaslight hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, This isn't even you. Y'all are
Speaker 1: jumping into such conclusions. I cannot believe what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then his roommate, couch Guy's roommate was like, people
Speaker 1: are like putting like sneaking messages under our door, asking
Speaker 1: about the video, and he said, well, y'all are so
Speaker 1: fucking creepy. Sometimes I can't um he's and then just saying,
Speaker 1: it's like watching a soap opera and knowing who the
Speaker 1: bad guys. So there's just like all these weird you know,
Speaker 1: everyone has a take. Everyone's insisting, even to the people
Speaker 1: who are like, we're fine, that's it was just a
Speaker 1: video I posted to be like commemorated thing, and now
Speaker 1: we're subject of all this analysis. I wonder if all
Speaker 1: this attention might hasten or delay there otherwise natural breakup. Though,
Speaker 1: Think about what it must feel like to be them
Speaker 1: right now, because they have to prove it's like Schrodinger's
Speaker 1: couch Guy, like they have to you know, everyone's observing it,
Speaker 1: and that's got to be a pressure cooker. Of course,
Speaker 1: because if couch guys cheating for real, or if he
Speaker 1: was going to break up, bro, you better buckle up
Speaker 1: for the long haul here if they like that, because
Speaker 1: in his mind, he's like like they fucking got me,
Speaker 1: and I can't let him get I can't have an
Speaker 1: update post from her, and they have read it being
Speaker 1: like we know it, we were right. It is crazy
Speaker 1: that this has gone viral to this degree though, because
Speaker 1: it is such an otherwise boring video, very little happening.
Speaker 1: There's I think a lot of people look get it,
Speaker 1: like on TikTok, especially like people love to do deep
Speaker 1: dives or like you know, anti vax or people have
Speaker 1: been docked through like these like clever TikTok accounts, so
Speaker 1: people like there's a language within TikTok to like get
Speaker 1: deeply analytical. And I think it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: just in general, I think Americans, especially like they're just
Speaker 1: are you know, Western culture. They're into solving ship you know,
Speaker 1: like whether it's like snitching on your insurrectionist neighbors or
Speaker 1: co workers on janius like kill let me just tell
Speaker 1: you someone that guy was there. I've seen it on
Speaker 1: his Facebook, or these other assholes who thought they solved
Speaker 1: the szodiac killer case. People just I think, have this
Speaker 1: desire to get to the bottom of stuff, and in
Speaker 1: some cases it's like it's completely inappropriate or you have
Speaker 1: you don't even have like the lightest semblance of the
Speaker 1: facts to even begin to, you know, hypothesize about something.
Speaker 1: But this is making me realize something. So I posted
Speaker 1: a snippet of my back and forth in an Instagram
Speaker 1: story with one of these anti vaxers, and she accused
Speaker 1: me of doxing her, And I'm like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about that year you were commenting with me in
Speaker 1: a public forum. But if on TikTok, if that's a
Speaker 1: thing and they consider it doxing, that must be why
Speaker 1: she said that. Or No, it'll be something where someone
Speaker 1: will have an account that's like really popular, but it's hidden,
Speaker 1: like you don't know who is behind it, and then
Speaker 1: they'll sort of unmask the account. More so than just
Speaker 1: being like people being like, hey, I have a rightful
Speaker 1: expectation to privacy on Twitter. No you don't. You don't.
Speaker 1: That's what was Yeah, that's the thing, that's like you're
Speaker 1: we We were deep into Candice Cameron's post anti vax
Speaker 1: post and I had left I put a comment in there,
Speaker 1: and then she was going back and forth with me,
Speaker 1: and yet said that by my posting a snippet of
Speaker 1: that in a story which goes away, that's doxing her.
Speaker 1: And I was like, please please, girlfriend, Oh hi, look
Speaker 1: at this person I'm talking to who's like coming up.
Speaker 1: You're not saying this is this person's full name, this
Speaker 1: is where they work, this is their address. But I
Speaker 1: guess for those people, they need those buzzwords to say, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they think you have some super
Speaker 1: powerful harassment account and they're gonna be I think I
Speaker 1: think she does, but yeah I don't. If you like,
Speaker 1: check the numbers, Okay, yeah, maybe you should be scared. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do we think this is related? Because the Zodiac Killer
Speaker 1: is one of the kind of recent zeitgeist phenomenon that
Speaker 1: could that I still haven't really made sense of, because
Speaker 1: it's almost like a new batch of people just joined
Speaker 1: the internet all on the same day and are like,
Speaker 1: we found the Zoe Killer, and it's like, what's your project, right,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, the FBI immediately came out and
Speaker 1: said that the claim that they identify the Zodiac Killer
Speaker 1: is inaccurate. The case remains open. We talked about like
Speaker 1: the evidence they've laid out so far, like some forehead
Speaker 1: wrinkle and his connection to a case that they the
Speaker 1: police already said is not connected to the Zodiac was
Speaker 1: based on a So it's like it's it's just but
Speaker 1: it got major pick up and like that's what everybody
Speaker 1: was talking about, how the Zodiac killer case had been
Speaker 1: cracked last week. Is there, like is TikTok like adding
Speaker 1: some a new infusion of energy to like the we
Speaker 1: solved it, like sort of thing that happened on Reddit
Speaker 1: for so long. I think it just gives I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe that there's another venue for it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's necessarily like a catalyst for increased desires to
Speaker 1: do that, but I think probably just in general, like
Speaker 1: in the last five years, with misinformation and things like that,
Speaker 1: people are I want to be in a place where
Speaker 1: they're like I won't get food again, and they want
Speaker 1: to look at everything and and trying. I mean, because
Speaker 1: it would again back to this idea of control. If
Speaker 1: you look at even a normal TikTok video and say
Speaker 1: that guy's cheating and blah blah blah, and I know what,
Speaker 1: no further questions your honor, like I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that person's personal relationships might be
Speaker 1: like out in the out in the real world, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it certainly gives a place
Speaker 1: to like project that energy and like in a way
Speaker 1: that I guess seems constructive or I guess because we're
Speaker 1: commodifying everything in this age. Now you have a piece
Speaker 1: of content where you can get some clip and wait,
Speaker 1: wait till they find out about the jfk assassination. That's
Speaker 1: gonna really fuck some people up. That's your whole belief.
Speaker 1: You're like, come on, zoomers, bring bring Daddy home. Who
Speaker 1: didn't you knew it was that secret service guy who
Speaker 1: aired shot? It was an accident. Alison as always such
Speaker 1: a pleasure having you. Where can people find you and
Speaker 1: follow you? Follow me on social media? I promise I
Speaker 1: won't get into it with you at Alison Rosen on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram and then listen to my podcast Alison Rosen,
Speaker 1: Is you your best friend and childish? And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Yes? Do you guys know Tim Calpakis
Speaker 1: know how that is? Have you had him on the show.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've had him, but I'm a fame.
Speaker 1: He was my sketch. He was my first sketch comedy
Speaker 1: writing teacher. Really. So he's in the Birthday Boys and
Speaker 1: the Sloppy Boys, and he's been on my podcast a bunch,
Speaker 1: and he tweets it's at Tim Calpakis, but he like
Speaker 1: keeps changing the personality of who he's tweeting as, And
Speaker 1: for the longest time it was Linda Underwear, and now
Speaker 1: it's Beverly Mysterious. And Beverly mysterious. Is it's like the
Speaker 1: personality of someone who thinks they're breaking like gigantic bits
Speaker 1: of gossip. Like everything is like hushed and mysterious, and
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble articulating the personality, but I just I'm
Speaker 1: I'm endlessly amused by everything Tim tweets. And so an
Speaker 1: example of like a Beverly mysterious tweet is it seems
Speaker 1: a certain big butt rappers cousin's friend may not exactly
Speaker 1: have the tiniest balls anymore. And then it's an emoji
Speaker 1: of an eye. It's just like a lot of particulous
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, Miles, where can people find you,
Speaker 1: what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also their show four twenty Day Fiance was
Speaker 1: Sophia Alexandro where we talk ninety day some tweets that
Speaker 1: I like, Man, there's there are some good ones. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you might have to put me
Speaker 1: onto this people who go to Trader Joe's. But this
Speaker 1: is again this from test Lynch past guests at Mr
Speaker 1: test Lynch tweetd quote Trader Joe's employees have to congratulate
Speaker 1: you on your purchase denier until today when the checkout
Speaker 1: guy said this apple juice is so nice. And I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, is this a thing like at Trader
Speaker 1: Joe's that they'll comment on the things here? Because I
Speaker 1: remember when I got spicy mango lemonade the other day.
Speaker 1: The manager, not even someone checking out, like oh that yeah,
Speaker 1: I see you, And I was like the fuck. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean, like you know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drink this with vodka later or what? That's good?
Speaker 1: So if that's true, I just like that idea, like
Speaker 1: that this apple juice is so nice. Um. And then
Speaker 1: one more from at Fat Nudes heck Bundy is this
Speaker 1: play name, says Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly are
Speaker 1: the Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thornton for zoomers. Some
Speaker 1: tweets I've been enjoying. You can find me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Check underscore. Brian tweets of it enjoying. Ian Carmel tweeted
Speaker 1: twenty year older out here with baby pictures that just
Speaker 1: looked like a current picture of the baby and not
Speaker 1: like a grainy still from a true crime documentary like
Speaker 1: the rest of us. And first Mate Pray It's at
Speaker 1: buck x Top tweeted, don't understand people who are productive
Speaker 1: during the weekend. Weekends are for feeling weird and wondering
Speaker 1: if your friends hate you. And then p J Evans tweeted,
Speaker 1: Willie Wanka is so weird. I've had chocolate too, Bro,
Speaker 1: not gonna act all weird because of it. That Willy
Speaker 1: Wanta's back because of the Timothy shallow May picture that
Speaker 1: we all want. All right, Wanta, You're proud of the
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Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you guys might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song are we sending them to today? We're gonna
Speaker 1: go out on a track called Vibrate from Mr Jukes
Speaker 1: and Barney Artists. This just sounds When I was listening
Speaker 1: to it at first, when the beat dropped, I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this like a unreleased track from like fucking Midnight
Speaker 1: Marauders or something. So if you like Tribe and you
Speaker 1: like that boom bap, possible J Diller type production, this
Speaker 1: track has just just those good old nineties wrap vibes
Speaker 1: that I love. So this is Mr Jukes and Barney
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