Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh four,
Speaker 1: Episode three of Jorge Lee's Eye. Guys, that was a
Speaker 1: quick one. Yeah yeah. It's a production of I Heart Radio,
Speaker 1: and it's a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it's Wednesday, September twenty nine one.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien, a K. I hiked through
Speaker 1: the desert in some shorts with no shame. I got
Speaker 1: some chafing relief from the rain because in the desert,
Speaker 1: by definitions, no game, and if there ain't no pain,
Speaker 1: then there won't be no gain, I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: you know the rest. That is courtesy Alex Lukie and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles Grab. It's a rare condition this day in
Speaker 1: eight to read any good news on the newspaper page.
Speaker 1: Love and tradition of the grand designs. Some people say
Speaker 1: it's even harder to find. Well, then there must be
Speaker 1: some magic glue inside these swollen balls, because all I
Speaker 1: see is a tower of dreams, a real come bursting
Speaker 1: out of every receive. The days go by and I'll
Speaker 1: just go we play no games where a fammally anyway,
Speaker 1: shout out to Locker NOI on the discord. You know,
Speaker 1: I love a Family Matters theme song. You know, I
Speaker 1: was trying to Family Man, but you you kind of
Speaker 1: started out in a deep, gravelly place like the original
Speaker 1: Family Matters tame song. Yeah. I had to channel that,
Speaker 1: and then then you kind of just focused and then
Speaker 1: it becomes its own thing, you know. Uh, well, my hole,
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by a hilarious talent to comedian, podcaster and artist who
Speaker 1: hosted the classic podcast Professor blast Off, posts ongoing podcast
Speaker 1: space Key Draw, some truly hilarious comics, and his new
Speaker 1: stand up special animation cinema to graphical extravaganzo, Big Nothingness,
Speaker 1: all of which you can find on David Huntsburger dot com,
Speaker 1: which was a smart place to put it all because
Speaker 1: that's his name. Please welcome, though, brilliant, the talented David Huntsburger.
Speaker 1: Thank you. What a what a introduction? I mean, what's
Speaker 1: up man? Not much? Good to see you, guys. It's
Speaker 1: great to see you. Go to you guys are the
Speaker 1: final Well, not to give too many spoilers away, but
Speaker 1: in Big Nothingness, in the thank you's the z zait
Speaker 1: guys get the last note, the final note of script.
Speaker 1: So you guys, thanks for letting me promote I think
Speaker 1: the live show that I was doing when we when
Speaker 1: we taped it right before everything shut down. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the haircut was what when did the haircut come? Was
Speaker 1: the last time I saw you? You're looking real, real
Speaker 1: jesus y, which was the I'm assuming you cut your
Speaker 1: hair right before the live show? Yeah, that the day of.
Speaker 1: We shot some stuff with the long hair earlier in
Speaker 1: the day and then the hairstyles came in cut it
Speaker 1: all off, and then we kept it so we could
Speaker 1: donate some of it, and then she just trimmed the rest.
Speaker 1: And everyone was like, is that going to be so
Speaker 1: weird to get you something like, I don't care. It
Speaker 1: is a little weird because you're you don't your hair
Speaker 1: is kind of like just walked outside and seeing the
Speaker 1: sun for the first time in ages. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's not acting normal. It just has different like I
Speaker 1: got a curl this way or whatever I was doing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was the day of. It was a
Speaker 1: real like Christian Bale type dedication to uh the project
Speaker 1: two long hair or whatever it was. People need to
Speaker 1: go check it out to kind of fully appreciate what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. But it is, you know, they're there
Speaker 1: are those stand up albums that have like the weird
Speaker 1: like short film at the beginning of them, and then
Speaker 1: it just goes into a regular stand up album. But
Speaker 1: this is an entire like work of art film that
Speaker 1: it that it like has a stand up album kind
Speaker 1: of or a stand up special embedded within it. I
Speaker 1: highly highly recommend it, thanks man. Yeah, man, I've been
Speaker 1: calling it Presento just because I think the term special
Speaker 1: is so ridiculous. I mean, it's comedy, is supposed to
Speaker 1: be silly and dumb, and yet there's this name like
Speaker 1: I've made a special. I've made so weird to me,
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I just think it's different, So I've
Speaker 1: been calling it something else. But thanks man, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you watched it. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah, I called
Speaker 1: it extravaganzo, but I like that too. Yeah, present to
Speaker 1: as nice as well. All Right, David, we are going
Speaker 1: to get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're gonna tell the listeners a few
Speaker 1: things we're talking about today. We're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: ship show on Capitol Hill, all the you know, political
Speaker 1: maneuverings that are and aren't happening when there's just one
Speaker 1: thing that could solve it all. Yeah, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon's homeschooling campaign to get conservatives the hail storm
Speaker 1: of Mothers or whatever the funk he's calling it, to
Speaker 1: get to homeschool, homeschool their kids. We will talk about
Speaker 1: like the levels of fandom have just kind of reached
Speaker 1: a new, a new high, and that is where buying
Speaker 1: the used underwear of your preferred celeb all of that
Speaker 1: plenty more. But first, David, we do like to ask
Speaker 1: our guests, what is something from your search history? I
Speaker 1: just looked it up. I know, I normally come on
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't really have I usually do
Speaker 1: it all in private browsing because I hate the feeling
Speaker 1: of when it ad comes into your thing, like, oh
Speaker 1: you do you think about that? But I was looking
Speaker 1: up free use music and this this is kind of
Speaker 1: a long story, so make it as short as possible,
Speaker 1: but so big nothing. This was supposed to come out Friday,
Speaker 1: and I had years prior reached out to this band
Speaker 1: and said hey, I'd like to license this song. A
Speaker 1: person in the band said, it sounds good. Let me
Speaker 1: contact you with the label person. The label person said, yeah,
Speaker 1: just show us what you've made and as long as
Speaker 1: they like, it should be in a breeze. And then
Speaker 1: I just somehow conflated that in my mind that the
Speaker 1: band said yeah, yeah, you have it, you have the song.
Speaker 1: It was just like one extra step so close, and
Speaker 1: then I'm I had it edited and done for quite
Speaker 1: a while before it came out, and I just forgot.
Speaker 1: I'd think of it every now and again, driving like oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I get home, I need to send him that.
Speaker 1: I just kept forgetting until like a week beforehand, and
Speaker 1: the woman at the label who had been so polite
Speaker 1: no longer worked there, and the other people were like,
Speaker 1: we'd like a lot of money, we'd like a lot
Speaker 1: of money, and it was like and so I had
Speaker 1: to just and I was up in the woods. I
Speaker 1: had no internet. I would have to like race down
Speaker 1: used this horrible WiFi, but then my computer battery would die,
Speaker 1: so it zoomed back up the hill and turn on
Speaker 1: a generator and plug like charged by laptop, back and forth,
Speaker 1: and then luckily my friend Andy Krest, who goes by
Speaker 1: the name Kristovsky, had a song that I had on
Speaker 1: a hard drive and I messaged him like, dude, can
Speaker 1: I use this? It was like absolutely so the in
Speaker 1: music you hear it was like this last minute. It
Speaker 1: reminded me of like when the South Park guys, you know,
Speaker 1: at six minutes to like turning ship in right before
Speaker 1: the end. It kind of this wasn't the same sort
Speaker 1: of demand as like a Comedy Central episode of South Park,
Speaker 1: but the feeling of of the rush was was definitely similar. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually a little behind the scenes is That's sort
Speaker 1: of how we got the theme music for our show
Speaker 1: was through uh, you know, Miles having some music from
Speaker 1: a friend on a hard drive and us being like
Speaker 1: this music is amazing, and then him just reaching out
Speaker 1: and being like, hey, could we use this. He's like
Speaker 1: he's like that beat that I made as a joke.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's no joke on the internet. Beat will
Speaker 1: live forever. I do. I totally understand. I've totally sympathized
Speaker 1: with the thing of like, oh yeah, I gotta put
Speaker 1: a pin in that. I'm gonna do that when I
Speaker 1: get home. And then it turns into a fucking nuclear
Speaker 1: apocalypse when you're like I couldn't absolutely, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: binged all of Narcos. I have the time, I could
Speaker 1: have done this, and the whole time I was just
Speaker 1: sitting there like, well, not a lot I can do now,
Speaker 1: just got to kind of wait and then it'll like
Speaker 1: this launch day will happen, and then that scrambled Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just the worst feeling because I was so falsely comfortable.
Speaker 1: People would ask me like I like that song, and
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, it's a funny story. I got the
Speaker 1: right to that, like right out of the gate. And
Speaker 1: then looking at that email and just kind of that
Speaker 1: sinking feeling of like, oh I don't have it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brutal the whole uh infrastructure of people like I. I
Speaker 1: sometimes think about this when I'm driving somewhere in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles in the middle of the day and I the
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in traffic, and I'm like, what do
Speaker 1: all these people do for a living? And I like,
Speaker 1: then I think back to any time I've tried to
Speaker 1: get like music rights or like a movie clip licensed,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, right, it's all of like for
Speaker 1: everyone person who's actually creating something. There are a hundred
Speaker 1: people who are like just uh, sending and receiving emails
Speaker 1: about like getting paid and paying each other for the
Speaker 1: use of that thing. It's so annoyingly complicated, it is.
Speaker 1: It didn't take away my love of the initial song
Speaker 1: because I cut the chord on that as fast as possible,
Speaker 1: because once it starts to become those sort of vultures
Speaker 1: pecking off their slice of it, I was just thinking, like,
Speaker 1: how much of this money that you want is truly
Speaker 1: going to this artist. I would guess way less than this.
Speaker 1: I'd rather just pay them directly and like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you write a song? As opposed to the feeling of
Speaker 1: dealing with that of that it's just awful. And this
Speaker 1: whole project was the opposite of that. It was people like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to help. I like doing creative stuff. I
Speaker 1: need something to do during a pandemic. So anytime someone
Speaker 1: was like, oh, do it, but I need an X
Speaker 1: amount of money, I was like, it's just not a
Speaker 1: good fit. It's not that I don't like your thing,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not the spirit of it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the song was Let it Be by the Beatles, correct,
Speaker 1: But those guys, are they're tricky? Evidently they got pretty
Speaker 1: popular at one point. I didn't know that it's just
Speaker 1: a song my grandma was singing to me when she'd
Speaker 1: wash my hair. You know, I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: anything more than I thought she made it up. She
Speaker 1: was very musical. In fact, I do remember being in
Speaker 1: like a jewelry store, wasn't hearing a very similar sound,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh sweet, they covered by grandma. But
Speaker 1: never she always said it was her song she made up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to dispute that with them. I'm going to
Speaker 1: dispute that with them. Yeah, and her name was Beaty.
Speaker 1: What if, guys, I I get in there, I find
Speaker 1: out they stole her whole damn catalog ide this recipe
Speaker 1: book full of lyrics, I mean, and I want to
Speaker 1: rule it out. Yeah, exactly. That's the that's the version
Speaker 1: of the Beatles movie that we need is finding out
Speaker 1: that the Beatles they did exist, so we don't have
Speaker 1: to do that flight of fancy. But they just stole
Speaker 1: all the music from somebody in your family. And you know,
Speaker 1: oh and your your grandmother was working at the burlesque
Speaker 1: bar where they were playing, Yeah, every night with a
Speaker 1: dancer and gave them all their songs, just like what's
Speaker 1: that Shakespeare movie that was like kind of doing a
Speaker 1: similar thing, like can you imagine the earnest? What's that like?
Speaker 1: Earnest like sort of conspiracy version of like who Shakespeare was,
Speaker 1: where he was like a high born like lord. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one is. I find that conspiracy theory in the
Speaker 1: obsession with it problematic because it's well, of course it's
Speaker 1: just the House of Lords being like it must have
Speaker 1: been on high. But I would love a movie that
Speaker 1: just hissed people's fans off, like that's not where they got.
Speaker 1: You need to take this serious? Yeah, all right, well
Speaker 1: we will after we record, we'll break that story more
Speaker 1: and down. Let's let's at least dig into it. Six
Speaker 1: serious cards up on the wall. Yeah, you get a
Speaker 1: first act together real quick. Hi, what started as a joke?
Speaker 1: Let us the wild path and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: When we get to the bottom of real dramatic music.
Speaker 1: That's Dave so and So. He's talking about their time
Speaker 1: in Berlin and when I said jist, yeah, starlely Kine narrates, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, what is what is something you think is overrated? Guys?
Speaker 1: I said this last time, and I feel so bad.
Speaker 1: But I think as much as we're frustrated with people
Speaker 1: and their reactions to the science with COVID, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're frustrated with people going I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I don't think it's what it is, and everything everything
Speaker 1: from the science goes yeah, yeah, you should take this
Speaker 1: more seriously. We're dealing with that. Uh. And the next
Speaker 1: big one, obviously is going to be climate change. And
Speaker 1: I think I said this last time, but sneaker culture
Speaker 1: is the fucking worst, like stuff made by kids in
Speaker 1: sweatshops as a commodity that is not necessary. People are
Speaker 1: homeless on the street those shoes and be like, oh
Speaker 1: this one's tangerine. It is the most manufactured, unnecessary, textile,
Speaker 1: wasteful thing you could have on the planet. All those
Speaker 1: shipping containers falling in the ocean, large amount of them
Speaker 1: with shoes. I know this hurts to hear. You're probably
Speaker 1: angry at that. You're like, I have someone hold right now,
Speaker 1: I have Levi Jordan's fors behind me. But what you
Speaker 1: are by doing that is someone's uncle who wears their
Speaker 1: mask under their nose. That's you. Yeah, I mean in
Speaker 1: the broad scheme of things. It's it's wild to sort
Speaker 1: of look at, especially like where we're at in society,
Speaker 1: with like things rapidly declining in many different ways, like
Speaker 1: how consumer culture in these other ways like manifesting and
Speaker 1: like overdrive with like fast fashion. I just saw like
Speaker 1: a like a dude's like sneaker room that was like
Speaker 1: the size of like like a like a substantial bedroom
Speaker 1: that was just all shoes that had never been worn,
Speaker 1: and like this sort of idea of like look at
Speaker 1: this my stale stock that I will just gaze upon,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love sneakers, Like I'm there, there,
Speaker 1: my ship. But over the years I've had to have
Speaker 1: sort of a reckoning with what it means to over
Speaker 1: pay for something that you wear on your feet, and
Speaker 1: like the marketing aspects of it too, because so many
Speaker 1: shoes are meant to like create this false sense of
Speaker 1: scarcity to like get people to buy a ton of ship.
Speaker 1: And then you start looking at, you know, other ways
Speaker 1: to subvert that market through you know, replicas and things
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, it is it is wild to
Speaker 1: kind of see this like embrace of like these temporary
Speaker 1: objects when in a way I'm like those things, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to eat those they're like even
Speaker 1: like I've had to consider like what does it mean
Speaker 1: to put your hard work, hard earned money into these
Speaker 1: sort of things, and does that help me for the
Speaker 1: future or what I think I'll need for the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like very few Nikes have the type of
Speaker 1: shoe leather that once we're all starving, we can like
Speaker 1: soak in water and eat. Like that's why I gotta
Speaker 1: get new balance the shoe you can eat. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do love you know, my Miles made brief reference to it.
Speaker 1: But the replicas just you know, the people who are
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, knockoff artists who will will
Speaker 1: get you for a much lower price. Basically the exact
Speaker 1: same shoe is a good way to subvert the market.
Speaker 1: It's caused the whole thing where people get an arguments
Speaker 1: online over replica sneakers versus like retail versions that you
Speaker 1: buy from Nike. And you can tell that people have
Speaker 1: like this spot where they realize, like, but that's not real,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, but you didn't know that, and
Speaker 1: you're looking at it and you responded to it as
Speaker 1: if it were real. So what is that actually saying yeah.
Speaker 1: But but then people are gonna then I'm gonna know,
Speaker 1: it's like that you knew that you threw away two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on a pair of shoes, Like what, so,
Speaker 1: so what is what is the value system? Is it
Speaker 1: to to signal to other people that you are a
Speaker 1: reckless spender? Um or you know, like is it about
Speaker 1: a shoe? But I think that's I think these are
Speaker 1: all kinds of the many things that come into focus,
Speaker 1: especially as like, you know, the the chasm between haves
Speaker 1: and have not wide. Yeah, I mean definitely, it's basically
Speaker 1: the metaphysics thought experiment the ship of GCS because it's
Speaker 1: being made in the same factory by the same you know,
Speaker 1: we're using the same material. It's just not like official
Speaker 1: and so it costs like a thousand dollars less. What
Speaker 1: does that mean about me? But I'm I'm over leveraged
Speaker 1: in a world where it's all about what you can
Speaker 1: buy and the drip the the money you're saving to
Speaker 1: to a good cause. But thinking of the things that
Speaker 1: we manufacture to keep life sort of like keep us moving,
Speaker 1: keep that wheel turning. You know, I wonder how many
Speaker 1: athletes win a Super bowl, and then they just kind
Speaker 1: of look at this trophy and like this was just
Speaker 1: made up, Like a bunch of people just decided this
Speaker 1: was the thing we should all go for. And then
Speaker 1: they wear a ring and they're like, someone told me
Speaker 1: this was like gonna make my life feel worthwhile. And
Speaker 1: then they even get like a Hall of Fame jacket
Speaker 1: and they're like, this was all just cree it. It's
Speaker 1: not this is like a tangible, real thing. It's just manipulated,
Speaker 1: manufactured by humans to say you did it. This is success,
Speaker 1: this is really success. And then we chase those with
Speaker 1: like I think, if I have all these shoes, or
Speaker 1: if I have this type of car or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I've succeeded. I've done it, people will give me a
Speaker 1: stamp of approval on life. But you know it's funny.
Speaker 1: I I used to believe that so much like if
Speaker 1: I have this, then I can be happy, and it
Speaker 1: takes and I had to really go down that path
Speaker 1: to a point where I realized that should is so
Speaker 1: fucking foul made up, uh not real, and that when
Speaker 1: you reverse the things, try being happy first, and a
Speaker 1: lot of other things will fall into place. When you
Speaker 1: make things conditional like that it can really hold you
Speaker 1: back and actually prevent you from you know, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: like enjoying like much more simple things than like attaching
Speaker 1: it to like attaining something or having a certain job
Speaker 1: or living in a certain place. And yeah, like chasing
Speaker 1: that dragon will fucking exhaust stew um. That's why, like
Speaker 1: you know, I got very much into like positive psychology,
Speaker 1: where a lot of that is like dealing with things
Speaker 1: like we have to sort of rethink how we talk
Speaker 1: about bringing ourselves like an optimal place emotionally, like with
Speaker 1: our happiness. Yeah, my dad is a basketball coach and
Speaker 1: he went from getting fired from the University of Dayton
Speaker 1: like two he became the assistant University of Kentucky and
Speaker 1: they won the championship like three years later. And what
Speaker 1: you just said was literally like the first time I
Speaker 1: had a quiet moment like talking to him after it,
Speaker 1: that was exactly what he was just like, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like the thing. It's not like some moment where you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: and now I can rest you like immediately realized that
Speaker 1: it's all about like the challenge of like getting there
Speaker 1: was like the thing that you should have been enjoying
Speaker 1: the whole time. It's it's for sure the the case.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated? This one frustrates
Speaker 1: me because I this was like a month ago or so,
Speaker 1: and like in the middle of the night I was
Speaker 1: doing it, was putting some dishes away or something, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's a great one. I thought
Speaker 1: something really I really believe And just like the goddamn song,
Speaker 1: I didn't write it down. I was like, that'll come
Speaker 1: back to me, and man, it was something so simple,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I guess making a to do list, huh.
Speaker 1: I think I'll go with that. I think like having
Speaker 1: all your ship organized so underrated that it gets knocked
Speaker 1: on like it makes you. You know, people will kind
Speaker 1: of paint you as like you're uptight or you're a
Speaker 1: little to like what you know organized, it's so underrated.
Speaker 1: Just the stress and clutter that goes away with having
Speaker 1: all that ship in line. Well, yeah, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: dealing with now, you know, Like I I used to
Speaker 1: be like I got that. I got that. I'll get
Speaker 1: a die and it's in your mind or I'll write
Speaker 1: it on like loose scraps of paper and you know,
Speaker 1: now my ship looks like I'm working on like a
Speaker 1: new season of Cereal with like all these like moose
Speaker 1: papers like like smashed together, and I'm like trying to
Speaker 1: make sense of what the funk I was trying to do,
Speaker 1: or now like I very much use my like notes
Speaker 1: app with like the checkbox feature on my list so
Speaker 1: I can be like I have to do that, because
Speaker 1: a lot of the times I'll procrastinate to just avoid
Speaker 1: the stress of engaging with the thing that I have
Speaker 1: to do or ask someone for something or get something
Speaker 1: done that it's easier to be like, Okay, I'll get
Speaker 1: to that, But then that ship just weighs on me
Speaker 1: a lot more than I actually realized first. It's just
Speaker 1: like when it happens, like either address it immediately or
Speaker 1: put that ship down to do immediately, because then so
Speaker 1: much of that ship just fades away because I'm like
Speaker 1: I know that actively, like that's right, I'm gonna engage
Speaker 1: with this and not getting I do. I think some
Speaker 1: of it too, can be a little subconscious, like you're
Speaker 1: you're almost sort of challenging yourself as if I don't
Speaker 1: even know what it's like like walking on ice or something,
Speaker 1: or you're like if I fall through, I only have
Speaker 1: myself to blame. You'll have a good idea or if
Speaker 1: this happens all the time with stand up, like I
Speaker 1: should write that down. And then sometimes and I know
Speaker 1: certain things that just just faded into vapor, and I
Speaker 1: never wrote them down because part of my brain was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I kind of like having it out there, and I
Speaker 1: didn't like grab it. I didn't like bring it in
Speaker 1: and write it down. And then you afterward, when you
Speaker 1: forget it, you're like, why did Why did I even
Speaker 1: chance that? There's no reason to do that. It used
Speaker 1: to kind of be like, oh, well, if it's a
Speaker 1: good one, it'll stick around, I'll remember it. And that's
Speaker 1: so dumb, because were you like, man, I forgot better
Speaker 1: jokes than this motherfucker putting on the album. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but you forgot them, you forgot it.
Speaker 1: Part of it. Part of it is making them tangible.
Speaker 1: My mind. Remember my shoes. I'll be dominating on this
Speaker 1: court right now, on the bench. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and all right, we're gonna We're gonna take a quick
Speaker 1: plunge into the ice bath. Of uh fucking Capitol Hill,
Speaker 1: you know what, what they referred to as bipartisanship, but
Speaker 1: it's just a completely dysfunctional clusterfuck. So, Nancy Pelosi and
Speaker 1: Joe Biden had a stated goal of voting on the
Speaker 1: infrastructure deals by Thursday of this week, the like bipartisan
Speaker 1: deal that's puny and you know, not what is needed,
Speaker 1: and then the three point five trillion dollar Build Back
Speaker 1: Better package that seems to be more in line with
Speaker 1: sort of what we are facing. And first, like, because
Speaker 1: it's the Democrats, their plan was to keep them both around.
Speaker 1: You know, we gotta keep keep both both moving in tandem,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous that they were even considering that. But
Speaker 1: now they're not even going, like they're saying they're going
Speaker 1: to vote on the bipartisan one that they don't want
Speaker 1: before they vote on the one, because the whole point
Speaker 1: was to pass the three point five trillion dollar reconciliation
Speaker 1: package and get that they did, and they're like, so like, hey, Senate,
Speaker 1: get that ship done. But also but we're clearly that's
Speaker 1: still just being negotiated. As Mansion in Cinema and many
Speaker 1: other people and even in the House, there's like there's
Speaker 1: just so much wavering about what's around, what should happen,
Speaker 1: So now it's like, well fuck. Like Pelosi sort of
Speaker 1: statement was something to the effect of like, hey, well,
Speaker 1: you know, things are changing rapidly, so we're just gonna
Speaker 1: have to adapt to the situation, like we may have
Speaker 1: to bring this to a vote sooner than we anticipated. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you know, progressives have been holding out saying like if
Speaker 1: this reconciliation ship does not pass, don't look for us
Speaker 1: to vote for this infrastructure package like these like we
Speaker 1: need to have an actual robust social safety net that
Speaker 1: is being essentially teased in this larger reconciliation bill. And
Speaker 1: so there's like a balancing act of well, how do
Speaker 1: we please them, how do we please moderates who don't
Speaker 1: want anything to change, And it's just becoming like more
Speaker 1: and more of a headache. Like apparently Primilla Gia Paul
Speaker 1: was like on the phone with like Kirsten Cinema like
Speaker 1: trying to like get her to come around to like understanding,
Speaker 1: like Hey, I don't know what you you keep saying
Speaker 1: like you're worried about how it's paid for, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna pay for it by changing the tax codes to
Speaker 1: be able to you know, shift the burden too like
Speaker 1: the hyper wealthy, and while also you know, relieving taxes
Speaker 1: for just normal people. And we're still kind of in
Speaker 1: this stalemate. So that's been a terrible thing to watch
Speaker 1: because it's Biden's entire fucking agenda essentially as we go
Speaker 1: into a mid term year. And meanwhile, that's not the
Speaker 1: only fucking problem. We've got Mitch McConnell getting his Senate
Speaker 1: goons together to basically they voted to block a bill
Speaker 1: I was going to keep the government funded and prevent
Speaker 1: a shutdown. And now they're also set talking all this
Speaker 1: ship about the debt ceiling and perhaps having the government
Speaker 1: default because it won't raise the debt ceiling, even though
Speaker 1: Democrats were doing that because they know it's just you
Speaker 1: just don't want to be at the party that's saying
Speaker 1: no to that, because it's essentially it's needed to give
Speaker 1: many American people all kinds of services. So now it
Speaker 1: looks like McConnell is trying to manufacture maybe a recession
Speaker 1: so you can point the finger at Joe Biden so
Speaker 1: they have something to go into into the midterms. And
Speaker 1: the sad thing is you could get so many things
Speaker 1: done if you just got rid of the fucking filibuster, right,
Speaker 1: and they're not going they're not considering that because why,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've I've I've only read so many
Speaker 1: headlines about all these contingency plans that they have in
Speaker 1: the House and Center. Well, if there's a Plan A,
Speaker 1: there's Plan B, there's Plan C, and none of them
Speaker 1: are like just use our fucking majorities, And like, is
Speaker 1: it just Mansion is man the main If he were
Speaker 1: to say like, yeah, I'm I'm now in favor of
Speaker 1: the filibuster, would it immediately happen or did they just
Speaker 1: go like we don't have him and we don't have
Speaker 1: it there. It's also cirst in cinema, who has been
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, especially with Mansion in cinema, they've
Speaker 1: been clearly selected by big business to put like the
Speaker 1: full court press on them, like whether it's to you know,
Speaker 1: run ads that like question their ability to hold office
Speaker 1: like more from another standpoint, or just showering them with
Speaker 1: donations to block certain measures that would kind of begin
Speaker 1: to have a not huge ship, but a pretty substantial
Speaker 1: shift in how we do business in this country. So
Speaker 1: they're kind of like these fixed figures who are using
Speaker 1: a lot of like think tank talking points that aren't
Speaker 1: real to sort of explain their position. Well, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, because it seems like you're passionate about it,
Speaker 1: and with passion there comes optimism, And do you remain optimistic?
Speaker 1: As you've mentioned, like big business, the powers that be,
Speaker 1: the string polers, it seems like an winnable situation regardless.
Speaker 1: It seems like the things that have a grip and
Speaker 1: maybe generationally the next generation will just all be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not voting for this person. There's a ton of
Speaker 1: money behind them, and that we'll have to like put
Speaker 1: that in their heads of just keep an eye on that.
Speaker 1: That's going to be the biggest decider. I mean, it's not.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm necessarily optimistic for what happens here.
Speaker 1: I am, unfortunately, I just feel like it's like most
Speaker 1: Americans that there, it's not enough to explain very clearly
Speaker 1: what has to be done to prevent absolute strife for people,
Speaker 1: and then the strife has to occur, embodies pile up,
Speaker 1: and then people figure it out. I'm optimistic that that
Speaker 1: process might work, but don't you think, I mean, six
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand dead and people being like, I
Speaker 1: still don't want to wear a mask. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: we've transcended that period of people giving a funk about
Speaker 1: people laying dead on the street. Yeah, And well I
Speaker 1: think we're also like, you know, this kind of goes
Speaker 1: along with there's there seems to be a re organizing
Speaker 1: of society, especially like in America and I'd imagine all
Speaker 1: over the world too, like where there are people who
Speaker 1: are willing to actually acknowledge real issues that are occurring
Speaker 1: in pain and suffering and deal with it, and there
Speaker 1: are people who would rather turn it into an abstraction,
Speaker 1: to just turn into a talking point and not really
Speaker 1: look at it as these are the these are actual
Speaker 1: outcomes dealing with human beings. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: lot of it is connects to with like people who
Speaker 1: you know, whether you are denying the pandemic because you
Speaker 1: yourself don't want to acknowledge that you're living in a
Speaker 1: world that is completely out of your control and like
Speaker 1: in the form that a fucking virus could threaten your life,
Speaker 1: or you know, like they're they're that's sort of expressing
Speaker 1: itself in many ways. I don't know. I I honestly,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say. It's nice to see that
Speaker 1: progressives in the House are saying we absolutely will not
Speaker 1: bow to this because they under like, at least this
Speaker 1: small group of people have an understanding that something substantial
Speaker 1: needs to occur a to just keep like progress happening,
Speaker 1: but also to get deliver people like real tangible outcomes
Speaker 1: that they can then take to a ballot box and
Speaker 1: understand like, oh right, this works. I honestly, I'm but
Speaker 1: overall very cynical because as long as you know corporations
Speaker 1: have outsized influence like this, it's gonna I don't know
Speaker 1: how you really go up against it unless people are
Speaker 1: really able to decouple themselves from all the propaganda that
Speaker 1: they see. Do you think it's at least partially that
Speaker 1: like what we've talked about before on the like, how
Speaker 1: much of it do you think is corporate influence? And
Speaker 1: how much of it do you think is intentional decisions
Speaker 1: being made by the Democrats that they realize that basically
Speaker 1: since Trump like became like got elected, I guess is
Speaker 1: when when the switch would have happened, that it is
Speaker 1: now in their best interests to always remain in a
Speaker 1: dialogue with Republicans because all their energy has come in
Speaker 1: relation to like Republican awfulness and so like the accepted
Speaker 1: wisdom on elections as you never win an election by
Speaker 1: getting people to vote against someone, and like they just
Speaker 1: upset that like had the most votes in the history
Speaker 1: of an election that was basically just because they were
Speaker 1: defined in opposition. Like, I just wonder how much of
Speaker 1: it is like them sort of catering to and allowing
Speaker 1: this toxicity of the Republican Party to fester because just
Speaker 1: within like just as an institution, the Democratic Party as
Speaker 1: it's currently constituted, that is what they are. They are
Speaker 1: the opposition to this horrible Republican Party. Um that just
Speaker 1: leaves them without any sort of you know, say so,
Speaker 1: and like what what you know, the Republicans get to
Speaker 1: determine the fucking like platform and then they just decide
Speaker 1: define themselves an opposition. Yeah. I don't mean to say
Speaker 1: that the Democrats by any stretch of the imagination have
Speaker 1: the pure intentions as it relates to fucking anything, because
Speaker 1: we like we've looked at how leadership of both parties
Speaker 1: has brought this country to this point already with the
Speaker 1: same ideology, and it's really not built on upsetting the
Speaker 1: financial system that we have in this country or creating,
Speaker 1: you know, a system that is helpful to working people
Speaker 1: or people in need. So they definitely benefit from just
Speaker 1: being able to be like, ah, man, can you believe
Speaker 1: what the Republicans are doing? Oh? God, Lee, you guys
Speaker 1: should send me fifty bucks so I can fight this.
Speaker 1: And the Republicans do the same thing, because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, like Republicans are just there to
Speaker 1: halt any kind of progress and to regress, and the
Speaker 1: Democrats are using an air of progress to sort of
Speaker 1: paint a more optimistic picture. But when you look at
Speaker 1: the tools available to them to bring about the progress
Speaker 1: and they're just sitting on them, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to believe, like, what's your actual end game here, because
Speaker 1: if it is what you're saying, you have the tools there,
Speaker 1: then fucking use them. And like all of this talk
Speaker 1: like well, you know, like what if they get in power,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we know, we know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna just sit there, So then what the
Speaker 1: funk is this? Yeah? Alright, so we'll we'll keep an
Speaker 1: eye on that one anyway. And again and this is
Speaker 1: like so important, like this is like, you know, prior
Speaker 1: to this, like I think fucking the the Affordable Care
Speaker 1: Act was probably like the biggest thing that was being
Speaker 1: proposed on the Hill that would bring about all kinds
Speaker 1: of change, and that went from a really great idea
Speaker 1: to this other sort of mutant version. So in a way,
Speaker 1: that's probably what's going to happen here. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not optimistic that the three point five trillion
Speaker 1: dollar version that Joe Biden was like, Hey, this is
Speaker 1: gonna help America. I don't. I don't see that working.
Speaker 1: Like Republicans can't allow something that is that successful to
Speaker 1: get past because then like that's such a big win
Speaker 1: for the Democrats. Yeah, and then the odd part is
Speaker 1: they would never they themselves propose any legislation like that
Speaker 1: because it would completely upend how they do business with
Speaker 1: their donors. How did the so the whole thing about
Speaker 1: the dead ceiling, where the like it's a you know,
Speaker 1: the national debt is an issue that suddenly becomes important
Speaker 1: to Republicans whenever Democrats in office, and then that completely
Speaker 1: disappears as an issue of the second Republicans president, Like,
Speaker 1: how did the shutdown happen under Trump? Do you remember
Speaker 1: the dynamics of that? What the funk was? It wasn't God,
Speaker 1: that was like at the end of the year, I'd
Speaker 1: have to remember, like what exactly was going on? And
Speaker 1: it was one that remember they that was like a
Speaker 1: thing where Trump was like, I'll own the shutdown, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he wouldn't negotiate. That's right, that's right, and that's
Speaker 1: and then that's what happened. And and it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: the best story for them, But prior to that, they
Speaker 1: were voting to raise the debt ceiling because they just
Speaker 1: like even when Trump was in office. And but I mean,
Speaker 1: when you look at sort of the debt that we're
Speaker 1: looking at now, it's mostly been at the hands of
Speaker 1: the Trump administration. I mean not to say that we
Speaker 1: weren't in debt before that, but a lot of it
Speaker 1: now is from just all the runaway fucking spending and
Speaker 1: giveaways from the Trump administration. Guys, if I can bring
Speaker 1: Narcos back around here, what I've noticed that there's a
Speaker 1: theme here is that I feel like we're a bit
Speaker 1: naive or again, like collectively a bit optimistic and that
Speaker 1: like the system can be reigned around, brought back into
Speaker 1: focus where it's functional. But if you look at all
Speaker 1: the drug lords, they all have the same trajectory with
Speaker 1: absolute power corrupting and that like they're giving money to
Speaker 1: all the communities there from in the beginning, and then
Speaker 1: as soon as someone starts to get in their way,
Speaker 1: they get a little comfortable with the idea of like
Speaker 1: maybe we should kill them, and then by the end
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I think we should kill every judge,
Speaker 1: everyone that ever took a penny from us, and they're
Speaker 1: I'm with that, And I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: our politicians are subject to the same level of power
Speaker 1: in that like it feels good in the beginning. I'm
Speaker 1: here for the community, I care about you, I want
Speaker 1: your kid to get an education, and they get an
Speaker 1: arm put around them that's explaining the benefits of arming
Speaker 1: these contras or why flunneling in drugs and paying for
Speaker 1: that sort of thing is okay, and they should turn
Speaker 1: the other with cheek and this money in your pocket,
Speaker 1: think what you can do for your community, And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're corrupted and they go I think
Speaker 1: the bigger thing. A picture here is my poor constituents
Speaker 1: at home. They don't understand it, and we're all they're going, like,
Speaker 1: please do the right thing. And there's ten levels above
Speaker 1: in evil and corruption that we're not going to bring
Speaker 1: them back down. It's too far. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: To me, I can only say that there's like maybe
Speaker 1: only a couple of politicians that are in d C
Speaker 1: now that seem like human beings with a soul that
Speaker 1: I understand, like what the government's role is in people's lives.
Speaker 1: Katie Porter's just out there shredding everybody. She she gives
Speaker 1: like such tangible evidence that she gives a ship. It's great. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: And I and think, and that's the thing. I think,
Speaker 1: that's probably where my optimism comes from. And it's maybe
Speaker 1: misguided because I'm more sort of feel for them that
Speaker 1: they are very alone over there, trying everything they can
Speaker 1: to get these other fucking career goblins to fucking leave
Speaker 1: their seventy dollar refrigeration systems to like understand what it
Speaker 1: means to help somebody. And I think, yeah, they I
Speaker 1: think again, I guess where I become optimistic is like, well,
Speaker 1: that's at a federal level it's clear what the gridlock
Speaker 1: is and how bad and how much of a failure
Speaker 1: of this two party system is that we have here
Speaker 1: is so that's gonna figure itself out or not figure
Speaker 1: itself out, or just accelerates a societal collapse where people
Speaker 1: have to figure out what the fund to do after that,
Speaker 1: or you know, I can be more optimistic about like
Speaker 1: local legislation, local politics where people are trying to do
Speaker 1: what they can at a local level, because that is
Speaker 1: emerging on some level. But I think, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: really all that to say is, yeah, sure, it's it's all.
Speaker 1: It's all pretty fucking terrible and there's no real solution insight.
Speaker 1: That's also a pretty accurate description at the moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's pretty what like I know, and can like talk
Speaker 1: to my five year old about the fact that, like, okay,
Speaker 1: so here is the main problem that you are going
Speaker 1: to be working on as a generation for the next
Speaker 1: for your lifetime presumably, uh so, just f y, I
Speaker 1: like that it's climate change and like, you know, finding
Speaker 1: a way to fucking course correct this massive like tanker
Speaker 1: that we've been driving one direction like around to another one.
Speaker 1: He likes ship metaphors so actually, yeah, alright, let's talk
Speaker 1: quickly about home schooling. Now. It's an old issue that
Speaker 1: is now being seized on by one of the greats
Speaker 1: to ever do it flood the Zone with ship being
Speaker 1: his his calling card or his you know, thesis on everything.
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon has recently started trying to organize conservative mothers
Speaker 1: into homeschooling their kids instead of sending them to schools
Speaker 1: that have like vaccine mandates and mask mandates in place.
Speaker 1: And also he's bringing critical race theory, and this is
Speaker 1: kind of dovetailing with an overall trend of a surgeon
Speaker 1: homeschooling during the pandemic, you know, not just like schools
Speaker 1: sending kids home, but like people deciding to educate their
Speaker 1: children from home, like with them as the teacher, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, just like there's been a surgeon working from
Speaker 1: home and wearing workout clothes to eat cheetahs while sobbing.
Speaker 1: Like those are things that have surged during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's it's it's totally understandable. Polls have
Speaker 1: showed that a surprising number of parents were more interested
Speaker 1: in homeschooling eve and after lockdowns were over, and even
Speaker 1: showed that slightly more Democrats were interested in homeschooling, but
Speaker 1: the results were pretty much split down the middle. But
Speaker 1: basically the conservative side is trying to use this trend
Speaker 1: to springboard into an overall movement where they can just
Speaker 1: like a cult, you know, separate their people from society.
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, it never fully works though, I mean,
Speaker 1: being in stand up or you got, I mean, you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had plenty of people on the show
Speaker 1: or just in your lives that were raised with that
Speaker 1: really oppressive fire and brimstone sort of viewpoint, and then
Speaker 1: they got to a certain age and we're like, good lord,
Speaker 1: it took some d programming, but and they always go
Speaker 1: on to be some of the most fascinating people you meet.
Speaker 1: They read all the everything they can get their hands on,
Speaker 1: and so you can't constrict someone's mind and the way
Speaker 1: they're hoping to, you know, they're hoping that man. It
Speaker 1: got so annoying at public school when I would tell
Speaker 1: my kid that, you know, a man took his rib
Speaker 1: out and made a woman, and they in school people
Speaker 1: are saying that can't be done them. You like, bring
Speaker 1: them home and try to like just keep this in
Speaker 1: my kid, this is real, Adam, I have a rib toal.
Speaker 1: It's real, you know. It just is insane that they
Speaker 1: would like, well, if I isolate them, maybe we can.
Speaker 1: But with the internet, all communicate and be this cult
Speaker 1: you're talking about, be a group that all believes the
Speaker 1: same things and create the sort of army of kids
Speaker 1: that were implanted with the same stuff. It'll never work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well this is you know, this is like you're saying, Jack,
Speaker 1: this has been an issue since time immemorial in this
Speaker 1: country of going back and forth of like weaponized home school.
Speaker 1: But like when you look at Steve Bannon specifically, like
Speaker 1: I think he's looking at this as like his Like
Speaker 1: he was looking at gamer Gate, you know, he was
Speaker 1: like gamer Gate. He's like, there's a group of people
Speaker 1: who progress has put a weird taste in their mouth,
Speaker 1: and I think if I can just fuck their heads
Speaker 1: up a little bit, I can get them to be
Speaker 1: on a whole other fucking program. I was literally we've
Speaker 1: talked about before on the show. That was the first
Speaker 1: step in his like progress from Okay, I see gamer
Speaker 1: Gate to ultimately I need to get an outside the
Speaker 1: box candidate who will like sees on this and like
Speaker 1: he identified Trump like but literally gamer Gate was the
Speaker 1: first step and then he saw because you know, that's
Speaker 1: his sort of fucked up gift is he's identifying vulnerable
Speaker 1: groups or energy or groups with potential, like huge potential
Speaker 1: to be energized for something. And in this case it's
Speaker 1: the homeschooling parents and mothers. I think he's saying, like
Speaker 1: the pandemic has already made like you can already see
Speaker 1: how parents have gone on all kinds of ship in
Speaker 1: the name of protecting their children, good or bad. But
Speaker 1: their energy is there, and he sees that as a
Speaker 1: place to be. You know, he's ripe for manipulation. And
Speaker 1: he's been saying like yeah, like you know, trying to
Speaker 1: get people to say, hey, man, they're doctrinating your kids there.
Speaker 1: You should really, you should really consider homeschooling your kids
Speaker 1: as a way to protest against this because that's like
Speaker 1: the new movement, while all so at the same time
Speaker 1: saying that, oh yeah, the new tactic that we're going
Speaker 1: to use to sort of fight the culture war, as
Speaker 1: he said, is like quote going through the school boards,
Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah, and then flipping the table. There have
Speaker 1: you guys read the time machine page two. Wells, I
Speaker 1: think when I was in school, and I think, so,
Speaker 1: like there's I have a version of it with a foreword,
Speaker 1: and this is like late eighteen hundreds, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wrote this book because with access to more information
Speaker 1: that had ever been available, it was really disappointing to
Speaker 1: see people go the other way and get dumber and
Speaker 1: use it for like illicit means. They're sort of you know, mindless,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what was that even? Was there a
Speaker 1: back section of the paper that people were turning to
Speaker 1: what is he even referencing? They were reading dumb Penny
Speaker 1: Penny what those yeah novels as opposed to like hard,
Speaker 1: difficult literature. I don't know. But well before the internet, yeah,
Speaker 1: the the advent of the printing press. Paper was still
Speaker 1: very expensive and binding like was still very expensive, so
Speaker 1: basically they were printing out like these things became very
Speaker 1: popular that were like one page, like what you find
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, like when people just handing out on
Speaker 1: the street, and like that became a place where you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody was able to write, you know, a single
Speaker 1: page worth of like speculation or conjecture, and that was
Speaker 1: like the Internet of the time and people. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was unregulated, just like you know social media is now,
Speaker 1: and it led to a lot of wild ship. Maybe
Speaker 1: that because maybe that's such a human thing that's ingrained
Speaker 1: in us as a species, that there's gonna be this
Speaker 1: division or this like things like Q and on are
Speaker 1: not a phenomenon. There's just the most current version of
Speaker 1: that pamphlet and people isolating and or. But in the
Speaker 1: in the book, people you know live underground, the people
Speaker 1: that live on the surface are blissfully ignorant and kind
Speaker 1: of like childlike and stupidity, And there's definitely one group
Speaker 1: but seemingly barreling right towards being that and willingly so
Speaker 1: willfully being like no, no, no, get that science and
Speaker 1: ship out of here. You need this. I thought you
Speaker 1: were talking about the time machine and not a Demolition Man,
Speaker 1: which is the text that I'm more familiar with that
Speaker 1: you seem to be describing Apologies. That is a classic book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the grades. Yeah, definitely, I definitely read Demolition
Speaker 1: Man in school. The novelization of the molization keep picks out.
Speaker 1: I'm reading Demolition Man. It's the part where Dan Cortez
Speaker 1: is singing the Jolly Green giant jingle at the taco bell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the great scenes in literature. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: so to your point, using homeschooling as a form of
Speaker 1: protests is absolutely not new. Um, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: new in terms of protesting vaccine requirements. Group of New
Speaker 1: York antivactors made a big to do about homeschooling their
Speaker 1: kids after the state eliminated exemptions for families to op
Speaker 1: out of you know, the standard school vaccinations um. And
Speaker 1: then there's this thing called the Textbook War of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four that we don't have time to cover here.
Speaker 1: I was in West Virginia and people should look it up.
Speaker 1: Families were protesting the idea of their kids having to
Speaker 1: learn about civil rights, and you know leaders like Eldridge
Speaker 1: Cleaver and Malcolm X, which drew the support of the KKK.
Speaker 1: As part of the protest um, which also included blocking
Speaker 1: school buses, spray painting racial epithets, and bombing the Board
Speaker 1: of Education building. The parents were asked to teach their
Speaker 1: kids at home instead, which many did. And yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's a there's a long history of this, But I
Speaker 1: I could totally see him having success in sort of
Speaker 1: building a movement here. Yeah, well if there's no better
Speaker 1: way to, I mean, typically scaring parents with the livelihoods
Speaker 1: of their children as a typically an effective motivator. But
Speaker 1: it's just funny how it like started like the like
Speaker 1: more from prominent homeschool movements are like starting like on
Speaker 1: the left with people more just being like and setting
Speaker 1: our kids to capitalism training camp. We're fucking doing our
Speaker 1: own ship at home or how to grow roots and ship.
Speaker 1: But I would say that that one maybe to defend that,
Speaker 1: and I don't have any skin in this game, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that one was trying to get
Speaker 1: back more towards like a commune kind of agrarian early
Speaker 1: stages of it takes a village the thinking they're being like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was a good period where like everyone had a
Speaker 1: little bit of something to put in your ear, and
Speaker 1: you leave as a kid being like, well, i've heard
Speaker 1: everyone's point of view as opposed to now it's more
Speaker 1: like this just absolutely think like there are parents, there
Speaker 1: are families for whom like homeschooling makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they are examples of like homeschool children
Speaker 1: who didn't have to like d program and like came
Speaker 1: out like really well educated. It's just like as a
Speaker 1: national movement. It started there as like you know, capitalist
Speaker 1: d programming, and then in the eighties the sort of
Speaker 1: Baptist Christian right movement kind of tame and take hold
Speaker 1: of it to the point that now if you're looking
Speaker 1: into homeschooling, like it's really hard to find like teaching
Speaker 1: materials that aren't like aimed at like, you know, proving
Speaker 1: that man and dinosaurs lived on Earth at the same time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's and that's why like this whole issue just
Speaker 1: so much. Everyone has all their different motivations too, because
Speaker 1: it's funny. Now you'll see people on the right say
Speaker 1: schools are just made to make you into like non
Speaker 1: thinking automatons, and like wait, that was there the left
Speaker 1: argument in the seventies. Okay, well that came back around.
Speaker 1: There's there's even more like there's an increase of like
Speaker 1: black parents too are homeschooling because they just don't want
Speaker 1: to subject their kids to the racism of the modern America.
Speaker 1: And you're like that's fucking valid too. Absolutely, so you're
Speaker 1: seeing like it's it's it's like this very malleable issue
Speaker 1: but in this case, as it relates to Steve benn
Speaker 1: And I think he truly sees a group where he says,
Speaker 1: if I if I flip a few switches, I'll have
Speaker 1: an army. I think he said something like it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's like the Tea Party on steroids or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Have you seen his uh screenplay about the
Speaker 1: LA Riots because he's thinking about everyone? Yeah, his his
Speaker 1: musical about the LA Riots. H. So you know, don't
Speaker 1: don't count him out just yet. He likes being a villain.
Speaker 1: It seems like, and I mean, think of how many
Speaker 1: crime stories you've heard about, and when the person is
Speaker 1: inevitably like killed or captured or whatever, there's some something.
Speaker 1: Oh they were pulled over, they were incarcerated for two
Speaker 1: years in this state. But this information didn't make its
Speaker 1: way here. And you're like, oh, if this state had
Speaker 1: only known he was incarcerating, I mean, he was on
Speaker 1: his well his way to be and to be like
Speaker 1: that pardon may have been such a huge moment, like
Speaker 1: looking back in ten years from now, like, wow, had
Speaker 1: that not happened, this whole crazy movement may not have
Speaker 1: taken off. Yeah, yeah, we'll see who he gets behind
Speaker 1: for the next election, but he has failed a lot,
Speaker 1: so maybe he'll fucking fail at this too. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not to say that, but it's just something.
Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, it is something to
Speaker 1: really be aware of, Steve Bannon or not, it's Q
Speaker 1: and on. There are many other people who are looking
Speaker 1: at school boards as like very easy to win local
Speaker 1: elections to get in there. And suddenly now you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, we don't talk about like rocks anymore
Speaker 1: or matter or carbon. Yeah, I mean, the there is
Speaker 1: important work being done by schools like you know that
Speaker 1: are having to There's a lot that needs to change
Speaker 1: about how we educate kids because the world is fucking
Speaker 1: rapidly like headed towards an extinction level event, and that
Speaker 1: is they're going to be fighting that, you know, kicking
Speaker 1: and screaming. So there, this is going to continue to
Speaker 1: be an issue, uh, past the pandemic, you know, with
Speaker 1: what's it called critical race theory and with like any
Speaker 1: science teaching that acknowledges what what we're up against. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take another quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back and all right, so we
Speaker 1: heard what David had to say about you know, one
Speaker 1: way that we express our affection for Michael Jordan's through
Speaker 1: buying Jordan's of various origins. But you know, they are
Speaker 1: things with giant plastic clods on the bottom of them.
Speaker 1: They're made from like they can't it couldn't be less
Speaker 1: organic or you know, I feel like most of the
Speaker 1: shoes I've ever owned are still not close to biodegrading.
Speaker 1: We but here we have have another option that I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: for the fans out there, specifically even fans of Jordan's.
Speaker 1: So someone has decided to buy his used underwear at auction.
Speaker 1: They paid two thousand, seven hundred and eighty four dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a pair of boxers, so that's makes it
Speaker 1: a little less disturbing than me. But the company, I
Speaker 1: would have valued them personally at like two thousand, five hundred,
Speaker 1: like is what I would have been willing. I would
Speaker 1: have had them a thousand times more expensive. Well, you
Speaker 1: think of how many different pairs of shoes he wore
Speaker 1: on the court that they came available. This is one.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about exclusivity, this is a
Speaker 1: great purchase one of one underwear. Yeah, I like that
Speaker 1: the company that was putting the auction on said that
Speaker 1: their boxers have evidence of quote definite use. But what
Speaker 1: they mean to say is that they're like loose threads
Speaker 1: a dry cleaning tag, like it had clearly been in
Speaker 1: the rotation of this man, not to say, like and
Speaker 1: you could see his ship stains for two for two k, right,
Speaker 1: but this is like when I look at this, it
Speaker 1: really does like raise the question, like I get again,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of all kinds of ship and there
Speaker 1: there's memorabilia that I've dream of owning someday, but it's
Speaker 1: typically very directly tied to the work of the person
Speaker 1: or the contributions of the person that I admire. Like
Speaker 1: if it's Jordan's, I guess sneakers, I get jerseys, and
Speaker 1: I even suck it even a half smoked cigar, like
Speaker 1: you know that's still part of his like identity, and
Speaker 1: you're like, ohh this is like Jordan's smoked this, but
Speaker 1: the underwear so nondescript and it's and like look and
Speaker 1: if also like if you're kind of freaky, like do
Speaker 1: you really want them clean? Right? Like we enter we
Speaker 1: had at correct We interviewed uh woman who made her
Speaker 1: living selling her used underwear on a Reddit. I forget
Speaker 1: what the what the board was called, but and yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was almost always, you know, much more
Speaker 1: valuable if it had any signs, yeah, signs of definite use.
Speaker 1: Who would who would be the go to? Like, oh man,
Speaker 1: everyone knows those underwear like maybe Flavor flav or something
Speaker 1: like that, Mark Mark Wahlbroke, Oh yeah yeah, yeah even
Speaker 1: then like or or I get it, like if it's
Speaker 1: someone who's like posing in their underwear, then underwear makes sense.
Speaker 1: But then to me it just seems like I get it,
Speaker 1: like fuck it. If you're a fan, like you'll buy anything,
Speaker 1: but it would just be hard for me to look
Speaker 1: at it, like, yes, Michael Jordan is here, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: lass people over and like, well we have time, he
Speaker 1: has a hand, spokes fun, just makeup, just make up,
Speaker 1: fake memorability you have You're like, oh, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas's sock that I got. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: something nobody Well, going back to the replicas too, I mean,
Speaker 1: when there's so many documentaries about people faking art, faking wine,
Speaker 1: faking out ultra wealthy people, you you end up being
Speaker 1: on the side of the forger of like the thing
Speaker 1: you like is the price tag. You don't really value
Speaker 1: the skill it took to make that bag, or those
Speaker 1: bags are turned out at such a rate there's no
Speaker 1: craftsmanship anymore. And so like the underwear, whatever you're putting
Speaker 1: up there, you're you need like the signed thing this
Speaker 1: is this was real, this was this person's thing. But
Speaker 1: I could also fake that. There's there's no like the
Speaker 1: real way. Unless you had a DNA testing kit in
Speaker 1: your home. You could have people come over and be like,
Speaker 1: drop it in, see whose DNA shows up, and they
Speaker 1: like it's Jordan's. It's like the only real way, right.
Speaker 1: I feel like I came up with the Mark Wallberg
Speaker 1: answer too quickly that it might have impressively wrap it well.
Speaker 1: I have been on a pair of Marky Marks funky
Speaker 1: bunch underpants. Uh, funky bunch unwear. They're funky, they do
Speaker 1: bunch up. They do have signs of use. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like, I think, what for
Speaker 1: anyone you're a huge fan of what, how far away
Speaker 1: from the like prime memorabilia that you would want to
Speaker 1: have could you see yourself getting not to say like
Speaker 1: not to say that you'll spend X amount of dollars,
Speaker 1: But at what point does something become less special to
Speaker 1: you as it relates to the object of your fandom.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a bad person to weigh in on
Speaker 1: this because I really don't get as a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: like Jordan's Gretzky, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, these things if
Speaker 1: I had seen them. But as I got older, it
Speaker 1: feels like almost every hero you ever meet, it's just
Speaker 1: a person like, yeah, excuse me, I think he's the
Speaker 1: restroom real quick, like that funk. That's disappointing. I just
Speaker 1: don't I'm doing anything but like elevating or levitating or something.
Speaker 1: So you see them, and it's just hard for me
Speaker 1: now to be a fan and has been I think
Speaker 1: for like since I was probably sixteen or seventeen. I
Speaker 1: just the idea of buying someone's thing. I don't it
Speaker 1: just stopped being appealing in any way, And so I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm not great to wait. Oh no, no, that's not
Speaker 1: not We're all different on this earth. Yeah, Jack and
Speaker 1: I are fan brained. I'm fan brained. I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of like what I would care about
Speaker 1: like that to have at that like museum level, like
Speaker 1: would be a showcase in Yeah, I want j Dilla's
Speaker 1: MPC fucking production unit made donuts on like I would
Speaker 1: love I would have that ship. I'm like, look at
Speaker 1: that ship. Like this ship the band Phoenix bought the
Speaker 1: bought the mixing table that made Thriller, and they paid
Speaker 1: a absurd amount of money for it. But it's one
Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, Like that makes to me
Speaker 1: you like could use that for your like profession, Like
Speaker 1: the music that made the album Thriller traveled through this
Speaker 1: Like that is fucking dope. Yeah, And I think that's
Speaker 1: the I think it. For me, it has to be
Speaker 1: very specific. Like the second it's like this is Jay
Speaker 1: Diller's hat that he wore, and I'm like, well, that's cool, right,
Speaker 1: But like for me, like I still I still think
Speaker 1: about things like that, like oh, that would be so
Speaker 1: cool to just interact with unless it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the hat worn by Marky Mark Let's say during that
Speaker 1: photo shoot, because like then like you can smell like
Speaker 1: what a sweat smelled like the time, and like it's
Speaker 1: just what a terrible person? Uh, you can smell the
Speaker 1: drug car that he was wearing at that time. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing you can smell the blood from that man he
Speaker 1: beat up in Boston. Oh, come and don't bring that up.
Speaker 1: That bums jack out. That's what he always says. When
Speaker 1: I bring that up. He goes, come on, don't bum
Speaker 1: me out. Like and he apologized that guy so uh
Speaker 1: or he issued an apology that that guy her right
Speaker 1: over here. I'm in the front row anyway. Anyways, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go kick it with the Pope still. Uh. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite things the Catholic Church has ever done,
Speaker 1: send the Pope to America and have his m C
Speaker 1: for his Pope event be Marky Mark, Like wow, yeah dog,
Speaker 1: it was in Philly. Uh it was no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: the new cool Pope so recently yeah yeah when he
Speaker 1: when Cool Pope came to America, which is a novel
Speaker 1: I'm working on. Yeah, he like stopped along the East coast,
Speaker 1: you know, he went to New York. I think he
Speaker 1: did Yankee Stadium and then when he was in Philly,
Speaker 1: Marky Mark was the guy, which is weird because he's
Speaker 1: not like Boston would have made more sense, I think,
Speaker 1: but it was was he just like out there he's like,
Speaker 1: what's up, Philly, I'll be ready to fucking turn up.
Speaker 1: We got the one and only Bishop of Rome, Vicar
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ, successor of the Prince of Apple Apostles,
Speaker 1: Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop
Speaker 1: of Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State
Speaker 1: of Vatican City, Servant of the servants the Pope. He
Speaker 1: doesn't even know his name, who knows all those other descriptors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good patholick to that point where he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that ship got drilled into my head
Speaker 1: of the Pope's many titles, but then I don't know, Pope.
Speaker 1: Look at that fucking hat, you guys, looks that fitted bro?
Speaker 1: Is that new bro? David? It has been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you as always on the daily Zeitgeist. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you? David Huntsburger dot
Speaker 1: com is the best place. There's links to everything and
Speaker 1: stream albums, you can um any of the other presento
Speaker 1: type things or extravaganzas that are there, podcasts, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And then social media links are they're also so David
Speaker 1: Huntsberger dot com and the newest thing is called big
Speaker 1: Nothingness available everywhere, and by that I mean YouTube and
Speaker 1: then all the album the audio is on on all
Speaker 1: the streaming sites. Yeah yeah. And is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some work of social media you've been enjoying? Man,
Speaker 1: I was really scrolling and so bummed out that I
Speaker 1: wasn't really finding anything, and I still haven't, but I
Speaker 1: can't scroll anymore. I just hate it. And I got
Speaker 1: to really rethink who I'm muting and I muting because
Speaker 1: this is travesty. I'm going to share this one from
Speaker 1: Ahamed Weinberg, who it's just it's just a thought that
Speaker 1: we've all fought and whine the hell do they not
Speaker 1: do this? But message to all airline load the window
Speaker 1: seats first, then middle, then I'll then go fund yourself
Speaker 1: for not figuring this out earlier. Yeah, And what is
Speaker 1: going on? Why are we dealing with just fifty years
Speaker 1: of flying this way where there's that weird structure of
Speaker 1: people squeezing by other people and putting bags up while
Speaker 1: other people still need to get back. Well, because first
Speaker 1: we have to welcome our people who phone their money
Speaker 1: away on multiple flights to create some sort of cast
Speaker 1: system even when boarding a plane, because we have to
Speaker 1: have all that class sort of right definitions every fucking
Speaker 1: where they should book, like the terminals, like spirit right
Speaker 1: next to the highest end of delta, so you'd have
Speaker 1: to even feel it more like and that's two backpacks.
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here. Now, those of you
Speaker 1: that want to bring on show dogs, come this way,
Speaker 1: bring your cocaine. There you go. And then yeah, families
Speaker 1: also funck that up for you. Yeah, they really do.
Speaker 1: And I get yeah, I get that. You know that
Speaker 1: the look if you're starting the did I feel I
Speaker 1: feel for you? You know what I mean? Do that
Speaker 1: everyone else? You're all the same asshole sit in first class,
Speaker 1: you sit in the middle seat and economy minus or
Speaker 1: plus or whatever the funk they call it. Miles Where
Speaker 1: can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying? Man?
Speaker 1: I find me Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: Also the ninety Day Fiance podcast I Do four twenty
Speaker 1: Day Fiance checked that out Twitch, dot tv, slash for
Speaker 1: twenty Day Fiance that's with Sophia Alexandra. And let's see
Speaker 1: a tweet that I like, really simple, It's just it's
Speaker 1: not really a joke. It's just an announcement from Billboard.
Speaker 1: At Billboard tweets Eminem is ready to serve up his
Speaker 1: famous Moms spaghetti at a new restaurant he's launching. And
Speaker 1: it turns out, yes, yes, Eminem is going to be
Speaker 1: serving up Moms spaghetti. And he says, yes, it's because
Speaker 1: of Lose Yourself. I know what the funk I'm doing here?
Speaker 1: So yeah, it says there's a there's like a whole
Speaker 1: ad for it. I haven't seen the ad, but the
Speaker 1: description is a pready. Second television ad that aired on
Speaker 1: local w x y Z showed the rapper vomiting a
Speaker 1: Chinese takeout container of of Moms spaghetti in the Detroit River,
Speaker 1: before revealing the spots menu offerings of spaghetti within without meatballs,
Speaker 1: as well as skeetty sandwiches. I assumed that they were
Speaker 1: gonna like steer clear of the fact that the song
Speaker 1: mentions that he vomits it. But yeah, like that it comes.
Speaker 1: There's vomit on his sweater. Already mom spaghetty, nervous, but
Speaker 1: on the surface he looks calm and ready. We all know, yeah,
Speaker 1: even Dave see if we all know. But we're still
Speaker 1: I guess will it'd be funny if it's a joke.
Speaker 1: It's all regurgitated spaghetti. You know you're like, don't y'all
Speaker 1: listen to the lyrics Serve to You Baby Bird Style
Speaker 1: by Eminem by Eminem. Yeah, there you go. Let's see
Speaker 1: tweet I've been enjoying. Becky O'Neill pointed out Dolly should
Speaker 1: have just dated Joe Lene herself after writing that whole
Speaker 1: song about how hot she was. Whimper tom Us tweeted,
Speaker 1: every time my family calls, no matter what time of
Speaker 1: day it is, they say, oh, sorry, I probably woke
Speaker 1: you up, which is just great family passive aggression. But
Speaker 1: I appreciate that art form. You can find me on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: com where we post our episode was on our footnotes
Speaker 1: where we look off to the information that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as the song that
Speaker 1: we think you'll enjoy. Hey, Miles, what song do we
Speaker 1: think people will enjoy? On this? And this morning. Let's
Speaker 1: do this artist I've I've been liking for a minute,
Speaker 1: deb Never. Her whole fucking style is really dopes like
Speaker 1: that gets called lo fi al pop. And you know
Speaker 1: this song is called Coca Cola and she has a
Speaker 1: new album. I was really, really fucking cool and I
Speaker 1: just really you know, I'm I'm I like the youth.
Speaker 1: The youth artists right now, they're they're doing their thing
Speaker 1: and they do not disappoint. So check this out. This
Speaker 1: is deb Never with Coca Cola. Oh right, well, the
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