Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh five,
Speaker 1: Episode five of Days Like Guys to production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Friday, October eight,
Speaker 1: so you know what that means. It is, of course
Speaker 1: National Fluffer Nutter Day to the day we've all been
Speaker 1: looking forward to. We will be off by the way
Speaker 1: on Monday for International Indigenous People's Day. So don't don't
Speaker 1: blow us up. Say where's the episode? What happened? We'll
Speaker 1: be back, We'll be back, don't be back. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: don't worry. My name is Jack O'Brien a k so
Speaker 1: king time. One last call for bed Jumper so we
Speaker 1: can stop Jesus his tears, so king time. God don't
Speaker 1: want us to bone. And hey bro, my eyes are
Speaker 1: up here. I know who I want to help me bone.
Speaker 1: That is courtesy of Chris Harvey at Real Chris Harvey,
Speaker 1: not the fake one, and I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host, Mr Miles Crag. I
Speaker 1: saw a Lanis morrisset last night, so in honor of
Speaker 1: that is Miles Gray a k A. You're getting slammed
Speaker 1: in a Twitter debate because you listen to Facebook and
Speaker 1: ate some horse paste. You hate ten thousand books because
Speaker 1: it points out that you're white. It's like meeting Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 1: It's been realizing he doesn't even have a wife. The
Speaker 1: cell phony seems ironic, don't you think? But I'm smoking
Speaker 1: too much chronic to really let that sink a Miles Gray. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you. Alanis Morrissett twenty five year
Speaker 1: anniversary tour, Jackie Little Pill, She's still I could not
Speaker 1: believe how good her voice it was. It gave me
Speaker 1: my spine almost shot out my body. It was I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't know I was to describe it.
Speaker 1: And also Shirley Manson from Garbage also killed Garbage and
Speaker 1: a whole lot more. Yeah, the year was last night,
Speaker 1: you know. And was was it like the Kanye eight
Speaker 1: to eight show where he she just did the album
Speaker 1: straight through or no she no, she kind of she
Speaker 1: needed it. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit from
Speaker 1: here and there, you know, But it was I, I
Speaker 1: honestly I couldn't believe, like how how her She's maintained
Speaker 1: her voice for this long and it's it was really like,
Speaker 1: I felt like there's it's it was still so I've
Speaker 1: rediscovered my fandom. Wow, well, Miles, we are thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat by a suspiciously first
Speaker 1: rate guest to be on our second rate podcast that
Speaker 1: opens with us singing about floating. She is the New
Speaker 1: York Times best selling author of the book Rich Bitch,
Speaker 1: TV news anchor, businesswoman, philanthropist, and most impressively of all,
Speaker 1: of course, a podcaster. She's been an anchor on CNN, CNBC,
Speaker 1: and Bloomberg, was the money saving correspondent for The Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams Show, and it hosts the very informative podcast Money
Speaker 1: Where we had with Nicole Lappen on the I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio podcast network. Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Nicole
Speaker 1: lapping How are you doing good? How are you You know?
Speaker 1: I am better now that I'm hanging with you guys
Speaker 1: in my pod closet, which I spend many many hours
Speaker 1: in during the day. How many hours ran talking in
Speaker 1: that pod closet. Well, I'm doing my audio book now
Speaker 1: by myself, so I'm talking to myself basically all day
Speaker 1: and all night long. And I never want to hear
Speaker 1: the sound of my own voice. So during Indigenous People's Day,
Speaker 1: I'm just not talking to any people. Just yeah, going
Speaker 1: on a valve silence for that, talking to yourself, your
Speaker 1: own words that you wrote a while ago. Yeah, very meta,
Speaker 1: and that would that would make me a little bit crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you think you would start second guessing? Like does
Speaker 1: that process ever be? Like? Oh man, I think I
Speaker 1: can reward that. But then you're like, but this is
Speaker 1: already locked. So do I deviate or you find it
Speaker 1: very easy? Just trust what you've written. It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I for the first book I wrote, I'm on my
Speaker 1: fourth book, which is Bananas. I need to take book
Speaker 1: birth control immediately. If you know where to find that,
Speaker 1: let me know. For rich Bitch, I thought nobody was
Speaker 1: going to listen to it ever, so I just basically
Speaker 1: had a little party with myself and made jokes that
Speaker 1: were not funny. Maybe they were just funny to myself,
Speaker 1: which most of my jokes are. Um And then audio
Speaker 1: books became a thing and they became more and more popular,
Speaker 1: so I kind of have to take it seriously. But no,
Speaker 1: I can't second guess anything, because, as you guys know,
Speaker 1: there's this crazy supply chain issue with all products, furniture
Speaker 1: and chips and everything and books included. So I got
Speaker 1: a spot in the printer and I cannot get out
Speaker 1: of the spot, or my book is not gonna come out,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But if I want it out in January,
Speaker 1: MoMA's got to read with On the page, he wrote,
Speaker 1: I've never done right. Amazing book birth Control, by the way,
Speaker 1: I think is just listening to podcasts, just clearing your
Speaker 1: brain of any good ideas. But what was the podcast
Speaker 1: festival or something? Yeah, which sounds like a whole other thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a podcast movement, Yeah, exactly. Alright, Nicole, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We're gonna talk about a Texas federal judge
Speaker 1: has ended the abortion band for now. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the underrated, underreported, under account, a deadliness of heat waves.
Speaker 1: We might even get to Andrew Cuomo's book. We will
Speaker 1: definitely get to Tall Zoom energy. That's a thing, all
Speaker 1: of that plenty more. But first, Nicole, we do like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history.
Speaker 1: So the most recent thing on my phone search history
Speaker 1: is Birds of Paradise dog. So my puppy Penny, and
Speaker 1: her name is very un brand for a money person.
Speaker 1: Of course, she is the mascot of money Rehab. You
Speaker 1: can follow her at docky coin. I know you guys
Speaker 1: are already doing that. Who else would you be following?
Speaker 1: But she eats all the things and she ate Birds
Speaker 1: of Paradise and as a protective dog mommy, I wanted
Speaker 1: to see if she was allowed to eat those, and
Speaker 1: apparently she's not. So that's when I took Penny to
Speaker 1: the dog. It's like, actually is poisonous or just starting
Speaker 1: like dad, they're better not off eating that or the articles.
Speaker 1: I get to a vet now it was like somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. But Penny like noth on all the birds
Speaker 1: of Paradise, so she really like inhaled them and yeah,
Speaker 1: they induced vomiting and five dollars later and that's what's left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sarch history. Yeah, I regularly have to search things about
Speaker 1: what I can give my dog. The last thing I
Speaker 1: searched was cash shows because wow, man, it is adorable
Speaker 1: and looking about you as actually looks like you're waking
Speaker 1: up a dog like you wake up a dog like what,
Speaker 1: but Penny looks like, h yeah. Recently I searched cash
Speaker 1: shows because I was eating them. And then do you know,
Speaker 1: like the other like earlier this week, there's just that
Speaker 1: wild thunderstorm that hit the City's like lightning every so
Speaker 1: my dog was losing it. But my dog will not
Speaker 1: bark or get startled by fireworks or lightning, like if
Speaker 1: I have treats, It's very interesting, like he will just
Speaker 1: focus immediately be like yes, I will sit down and
Speaker 1: have my ears up at attention. Please give me this treat.
Speaker 1: And I only had cash shows at the time, and
Speaker 1: I was like, is this okay? Turns out it's okay,
Speaker 1: But don't put your dog in a cash you diet either.
Speaker 1: It's okay. We'll say yeah exactly, just like you know, fine,
Speaker 1: but just don't think that's you can just start giving
Speaker 1: your dog cashus all the time. Guys. I have a question,
Speaker 1: we're all in l a and with dogs, why did
Speaker 1: we not do a podcast doggie date. I know, damn
Speaker 1: pandemic um, but yeah, I definitely want to meet Penny
Speaker 1: in person. She's looking straight in like camera, just amazing
Speaker 1: eye contact. She just made like very intense eye contacts
Speaker 1: with me and then did a stage yawn at me.
Speaker 1: So do you do you have birds of paradise that
Speaker 1: or do you no longer have birds of paradise like
Speaker 1: at your abode? So it wasn't at my abode. It
Speaker 1: was at a hotel in San Diego that was really
Speaker 1: build as a dog friendly hotel, I know, And so
Speaker 1: then I was really pissed because Penny was just out
Speaker 1: in the terrorists doing her thing like at her dog
Speaker 1: friendly hotel, and they can't have things that dogs can't
Speaker 1: eat at a dog friendly hotel. So I got really
Speaker 1: pissed at them. Dog friendly except for these delicious looking
Speaker 1: flowers that are chocolate bars like a baker and chocolate
Speaker 1: fondue fountain that is at knee level, not for the dogs.
Speaker 1: So very leethful Baker's chocolate. It's lethal, but I guess
Speaker 1: love it. Birds of Paradise though one of the best flower,
Speaker 1: best named flowers in my opinion, I think I really
Speaker 1: nailed that name. It does look like a bird. Kenny
Speaker 1: doesn't think it's paradise though to that botanist, shout out
Speaker 1: to whoever named that flower. What is something you think
Speaker 1: is overrated. I think leasing a car is overrated. I know,
Speaker 1: we live in l A and everybody does that. I
Speaker 1: think what's underrated is buying a used car four years
Speaker 1: old or older because that's the greatest appreciation period and
Speaker 1: then running that gelope into the ground. You don't have
Speaker 1: to flex with your ride if it takes you into
Speaker 1: financial prison. Right now, we're getting that money rehab, notledge.
Speaker 1: I'm like that, I just paid off my car good
Speaker 1: and I'm you know and now and but my plan
Speaker 1: is run that ship into the ground, which I've done
Speaker 1: with every other car prior to that. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: know many people who get caught in like the vanity
Speaker 1: of leasing, like having a new car constantly, and there
Speaker 1: are also just like constantly complaining about how expensive their car.
Speaker 1: Least isn't like this just so you can have a
Speaker 1: Mercedes that shoots a light on the ground, that has
Speaker 1: a logo on it. Okay, now this is your area
Speaker 1: of expertise. But something you haven't addressed is I just
Speaker 1: have been renting a Dodge charger for the last three
Speaker 1: years from Avis. Do you recommend that? Is that smart financially?
Speaker 1: I mean one expense one the household expense. It does
Speaker 1: not have the light on the bottomen not approved. If
Speaker 1: it had to light be a different story, right is
Speaker 1: it projecting a Dodge logo from the onto the ground
Speaker 1: so people know even more what kind of car you drive?
Speaker 1: But okay, so leasing overrated? I like that scam. It
Speaker 1: truly is a scam. I'm not even in midst worse
Speaker 1: about it. Why do you think the car companies came
Speaker 1: up with it to make money, to make more money?
Speaker 1: Right to be like that here's a car because I
Speaker 1: remember when I was about to pay my car off.
Speaker 1: I've never been contacted more from the dealership like, hey man,
Speaker 1: we got the two is about to roll in. You
Speaker 1: want to we can. I know you're one payment away
Speaker 1: from straight up owning this vehicle, but what if we
Speaker 1: got you to come in and test drive this other
Speaker 1: car that's slightly better than the one you have and
Speaker 1: get you in another lease or into it just to
Speaker 1: lease itself. But yeah, right, what you're paying new car
Speaker 1: price for a used car by the time you turn
Speaker 1: it in, and then you turn it in, you don't
Speaker 1: even own the car, right right, right? And four years
Speaker 1: or older is when it depreciates. But it's not that's
Speaker 1: not reflective of the value, especially like new cars are.
Speaker 1: Really they do a good job with these cars these days,
Speaker 1: as I understand it, right, like the last Yeah, they
Speaker 1: lasted pretty long time, don't they. Yeah, I think a
Speaker 1: source to say they do last. They are very very expensive,
Speaker 1: and they lose value the second you drive them off
Speaker 1: the lot. And so before your old car doesn't look
Speaker 1: that different, like the interface probably the same, and the
Speaker 1: light is still probably there. I'm not talking about like
Speaker 1: getting a Pinto or something, you know, get something that
Speaker 1: was gently used. Yeah, I'm all about that. You know,
Speaker 1: you do always want to trust a used car salesperson,
Speaker 1: so that that's the reason they have that reputation of
Speaker 1: being trustworthy, right, unless it was me when I used
Speaker 1: to sell used cars or on the lot when I
Speaker 1: worked on a Dodge a lot. Everyone's like, you gotta
Speaker 1: sell the use man, that they're gonna kill They're gonna
Speaker 1: make money, man. So I'm used, and I'm just like
Speaker 1: so bad at I'm bad at like aggressive sales, Like
Speaker 1: I'm good at like you know, finessing my words and
Speaker 1: you know, the rhetorical mastery of it all. But the
Speaker 1: part where it's time to get somebody to be like
Speaker 1: throw your money away on this. Now that with all
Speaker 1: apart right, you can't lie. You're a good man, honest
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you know, we'll see that that could all
Speaker 1: change once AULT starts up. What what's something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated? Underrated is buying a used car or you know,
Speaker 1: a step or a simple or a bunch of retirement
Speaker 1: accounts that aren't super sexy. I love the people who
Speaker 1: did the marketing for a four oh one K. Four
Speaker 1: o one K is like the darling, but I think
Speaker 1: that's overrated. There are a ton of other retirement accounts
Speaker 1: that I think are underrated. And the more of the
Speaker 1: merrier when it comes to retirement accounts, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of folks think the four oh one K is
Speaker 1: like the only girl at the dance. She's not. There
Speaker 1: are others mm hmm. And does your company need to
Speaker 1: like participate in the other like retirement accounts or you
Speaker 1: can just kind of pick and choose. If you have
Speaker 1: a four o one kit, well, so you can have
Speaker 1: a four oh one K and an Ira. I know
Speaker 1: you guys are staked and Ira love that roth Ira life.
Speaker 1: You just go to the bank and you can open
Speaker 1: up an ira, a traditional or a rath, and the
Speaker 1: only difference is taxes. With a roth you pay taxes.
Speaker 1: Now with the traditional, you pay taxes when you take
Speaker 1: it out. And so that's like a whole other category
Speaker 1: of retirement accounts. Then the four oh one K, so
Speaker 1: you can have a four oh one K and you
Speaker 1: can have a roth ira and a traditional if you want.
Speaker 1: And then sebs and symbols are like other variations of
Speaker 1: iras in that family. If you own your own business, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm so it's how did you become so financially literate?
Speaker 1: Because I grew up in the most pretty financially illiterate
Speaker 1: home or like one where a lot of those things
Speaker 1: were not communicated to me, So there was a lot
Speaker 1: of trial and error once I got out of college.
Speaker 1: So I would always meet people with their financial ship together,
Speaker 1: like how did you get there? I lied? True story.
Speaker 1: I grew up in an immigrant family, so in first
Speaker 1: generation American super oken home. My father died of an
Speaker 1: overdose when I was young. My mother saw pieced out
Speaker 1: and I just needed to work, so I needed to
Speaker 1: get a job. We talked about this before we went
Speaker 1: on the air roll in l A. I went to
Speaker 1: an arts high school. I wanted to be a dancer,
Speaker 1: and then I went to college to be a poetry major.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm the least likely person to be a
Speaker 1: finance expert or whatever. I never thought I'd even be
Speaker 1: in business or talking about business. But then I started
Speaker 1: in journalism and I auditioned for this small station group
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I went to Northwestern and I wanted to
Speaker 1: get like a local news job, and they said, well,
Speaker 1: you don't get this job, but do you know anything
Speaker 1: about business? And I was eighteen at the time, and
Speaker 1: I just said, yes, I just want love business. This
Speaker 1: voice on Sunday. Like I had a boyfriend in high school.
Speaker 1: He said he wanted to be a hedge fund manager,
Speaker 1: and I thought the dude wanted to be a gardening Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if I could do this, anyone could do this. Sure, no,
Speaker 1: and yeah, And I mean I've I've I've gathered that
Speaker 1: over the years. When people like try this read up
Speaker 1: about that, I'm like, oh, right, okay, I think it's
Speaker 1: just at a certain point there was just I think
Speaker 1: my priorities are just completely off. So it took like
Speaker 1: moments like that really is like, yeah, that's right. We
Speaker 1: live in a very complex financial system here as well,
Speaker 1: especially as it relates to like taxes and things like that.
Speaker 1: So at a certain point, I think I just became
Speaker 1: very apathetic because it just felt like, well, this is
Speaker 1: I get it. I would have been apathetic if I
Speaker 1: didn't need it to pay the bills. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it otherwise for sure. And what I realized is
Speaker 1: that money is a language like anything else. We just
Speaker 1: didn't have a Rosetta stone for this language. No matter
Speaker 1: what high school you went to or growing up, no
Speaker 1: matter what kind of household you grew up in. We
Speaker 1: don't learn this stuff in school. We learn a bunch
Speaker 1: of bs, like how to dissect a frog or the
Speaker 1: Pythagorean theorem. Why why we like if we want to
Speaker 1: know when? Right? Like you want to train get to
Speaker 1: a station, but you know what the Pythagorean theorem is,
Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, I'm square equals squared, that's right, or
Speaker 1: but you but then you start asking me about retirement.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, Right, if I were in charge of
Speaker 1: the world, we would learn about sebs and simples instead
Speaker 1: of ice slus triangles. But I'm not yet. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think that for me at a necessity, I just
Speaker 1: went to school of hard knocks. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you go to China you don't speak Chinese, you'd be confused.
Speaker 1: If you go to Wall Street, you don't speak the
Speaker 1: language of money, you'd be confused. But then hello, Captain obvious.
Speaker 1: Once you speak it, you understand it. But first you
Speaker 1: have to just learn this silly little language. But it's
Speaker 1: like not complicated and so. And I think that's probably
Speaker 1: intentional too, because I think most people, if you're not
Speaker 1: making globs of money, you don't learn a lot of
Speaker 1: the other tricks of the trade or like wealth accumulation
Speaker 1: tactics that people have. And it seems like, yeah, you'll
Speaker 1: just be like, well, then that's for someone else, But
Speaker 1: then you realize, no, it's just we can educate ourselves,
Speaker 1: maybe give ourselves a different outcome. Yeah. And then a
Speaker 1: lot of women in particular, you know, I wrote Rich Bitch.
Speaker 1: I either thought it was going to fail or crush it.
Speaker 1: There was no gray area. People were gonna have feelings
Speaker 1: about the book. But because I think women in particular
Speaker 1: don't get their financial lives together because they think a
Speaker 1: guy is going to take care of it, and listening
Speaker 1: to you guys, case in pointake care of it out
Speaker 1: of a spider though, yeah, you know, or I will
Speaker 1: escort it outside because I like spiders. But I'm there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you start talking about college funds and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Like my partner I was like, what, dude,
Speaker 1: should we in the college fun? Like, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sella n F T. And then you know, like that's
Speaker 1: not a strategy. I'm like, you're right. Do you have
Speaker 1: a like a crash course do you recommend for people
Speaker 1: just to like kind of like, what what did you
Speaker 1: read to first sort of learn the language. I was
Speaker 1: just on the floor of the Chicago Merk, which is
Speaker 1: like Wolf of Wall Street style, and so I learned
Speaker 1: it there and I realized, like, when I heard people
Speaker 1: say short, I thought it was the opposite at all,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's just the opposite of long in
Speaker 1: the Wall Street world, and it's not complicated. It's like
Speaker 1: it just means something's going in the pooper, it's going
Speaker 1: to fail, and that's all. But nobody says it like that.
Speaker 1: They say, you know, most folks who explain it don't
Speaker 1: even understand what the heck they're saying. And so I
Speaker 1: thought that there was an opportunity to be like, hello,
Speaker 1: everybody is just like smoking something here? Can can somebody
Speaker 1: just explain this, like say it plain how it is?
Speaker 1: And so that's what I tried to do, and so
Speaker 1: folks wanted that. Yeah, so rich Bitch would be the
Speaker 1: rich Bitch would be a good place to start. Boss
Speaker 1: Mitch would be another good place to start. Miss Independent
Speaker 1: is the book I have coming out in January, and
Speaker 1: not to sort of like sell my own books, but
Speaker 1: I came up with the Money School because I kept
Speaker 1: saying the same type of schpiel, like why isn't there
Speaker 1: a class? And so I kept saying it so much
Speaker 1: I was like I might as well do one because
Speaker 1: and it doesn't include the Pythagorean theorem. Yeah, you're really
Speaker 1: hard on the Pythagorean theorem. By the way, I do
Speaker 1: have to stand up for the Pagan theorem. That's never
Speaker 1: steered me wrong as far as I know, in the
Speaker 1: zero times that I've had to use it in my
Speaker 1: everyday life. You're right, let's be fair, Miles. You know
Speaker 1: it's really hard on her. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back, and we're back,
Speaker 1: and a Texas federal j has put an end to
Speaker 1: the abortion band for now. This is District Judge Robert Pittman.
Speaker 1: He issued a one thirteen page opinion on Wednesday night,
Speaker 1: and it basically just calls out all the things that
Speaker 1: people have been saying about this law, like from the
Speaker 1: start that effectively it reverses, you know, the Constitution, Like
Speaker 1: what what is agreed on legally as like legal president
Speaker 1: in the country. Yeah, it's just it's as unconstitutional as
Speaker 1: it looked. And this just judge this because his opinion
Speaker 1: was so different than what the Fifth Circuit or even
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did, which was basically be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to if we can enforce this
Speaker 1: is very tricky this bill that they've credit and then
Speaker 1: just sort of like let things go on. But I
Speaker 1: mean this this judge was unequivocal, he said, quote from
Speaker 1: the moment SBA went into effect, women have been unlawfully
Speaker 1: prevented from exercising control over their lives and ways that
Speaker 1: are protected by the Constitution that other courts they find
Speaker 1: a way to avoid. This conclusion is theirs to decide
Speaker 1: this court will not sanction one more day of this
Speaker 1: offensive deprivation of such an important right, people like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: oh easy go a little bit easy on scote is there.
Speaker 1: But you know, this law was deliberately designed to avoid
Speaker 1: any kind of judicial review, like so that no one
Speaker 1: could find someone to sue over this law, because what
Speaker 1: they did was just sort of say, we're gonna basically
Speaker 1: make it so private citizens are going to be the
Speaker 1: ones that's the enforcement mechanism, not the government or the
Speaker 1: state itself. So because of that, good luck trying to
Speaker 1: you know, that's it's the way the bills set up.
Speaker 1: It's not us, it's it's just everyday citizens that are
Speaker 1: going to enforce this. So if that was just sort
Speaker 1: of everyone just had their hands up and most people
Speaker 1: like this is just so just so just flatly cynical
Speaker 1: when you look at just how it's designed and there's
Speaker 1: no one to sue, then there's no judicial review. And
Speaker 1: Pittman wasn't buying this sort of blatant again legal cynicism,
Speaker 1: and said, you know, the State of Texas very much
Speaker 1: does have a hand in enforcement as it relates to
Speaker 1: things like instructing judges on the penalties to assess under
Speaker 1: this specific law. So the judge wasn't buying it and saying, no,
Speaker 1: you know what this is, I'm not I can't, I
Speaker 1: can't let this stand. So he just went on to
Speaker 1: dismantle many of the arguments about like what is even
Speaker 1: a heartbeat at six weeks? What does it even mean
Speaker 1: for most people at six weeks that may not even
Speaker 1: know that they're pregnant, or and also like issues as
Speaker 1: it relates to access and things like that. So right
Speaker 1: now the law can't be enforced, but a lot of
Speaker 1: like abortion providers are also a little bit worried about
Speaker 1: you know, there's there is a provision in the bill
Speaker 1: that allows for retroactive lawsuits to be brought um, so
Speaker 1: even during this time, if it were reinstated, they feel
Speaker 1: like that's in the wording. So they're still trying to
Speaker 1: figure things out, and they've made it clear the State
Speaker 1: of Texas like we're gonna appeal to the fifth the
Speaker 1: fifth Circuit that already looked the other way the first
Speaker 1: time we brought this around. So it's a very much
Speaker 1: you know, back and forth at this point. But at
Speaker 1: least this is a a small victory, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: from the perspective of someone in the finance world, it's
Speaker 1: really disturbing that the Texas Abortion Band pits people in
Speaker 1: low socio economic groups against each other. So the wealthy elite,
Speaker 1: regardless of what goes on in Scotus or the laws
Speaker 1: of the state, are always going to be able to
Speaker 1: get reproductive healthcare. But it's the folks in low socioeconomic
Speaker 1: groups that can't travel to another state or miss work
Speaker 1: or hourly work to get an abortion. So this pits
Speaker 1: people who have unwanted pregnancies against people who need a
Speaker 1: couple bucks. And you know, that's not really been reported extensively,
Speaker 1: but I find that the most appalling. Oh just sort
Speaker 1: of like the incentive, like how they're incentivized essentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the what one of the people who brought one of
Speaker 1: the UH first lawsuits was like, yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: pro life ish but or anti choice ish, but really
Speaker 1: I'm just doing this because I need the money. I'm
Speaker 1: a disgraced lawyer, Like things aren't going great. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's fucked. And it really is, like, I think a
Speaker 1: decision that has been made, or at least a lesson
Speaker 1: that's been learned in politics that like if everything's happening
Speaker 1: among people who are you know, in the lower levels
Speaker 1: of the you know, very real American cast system. People
Speaker 1: like the mainstream media won't pay attention to it like that,
Speaker 1: they won't cover it. Do you guys know how pregnancy
Speaker 1: weeks work? I think we've talked about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, like very in like a very from reading
Speaker 1: articles many times and knowing like what like in terms
Speaker 1: of gestation, like what at six weeks they're interpreting as
Speaker 1: a heart rate, which is an electrical impulse, and there's
Speaker 1: the fetus at that point is not even developed an
Speaker 1: actual heart I mean things like that, But I would
Speaker 1: not say I'm an expert by any stretch. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not an expert either. I did a couple episodes on this.
Speaker 1: I had a miscarriage earlier this year, and it was
Speaker 1: actually only then that I figured out how pregnancy weeks work.
Speaker 1: So they actually add two weeks on when they're talking
Speaker 1: about how many weeks you are pregnant, so you count
Speaker 1: it from you know, your last menstrual cycle, but obviously
Speaker 1: that's not when you got pregnant, and so six weeks
Speaker 1: in this case is technically four weeks from conception, which
Speaker 1: is really hard for any woman to know, right And
Speaker 1: and that's all this judge said. It's like, this is
Speaker 1: just setting down an impossible task for someone who is
Speaker 1: pregnant to even know, and for most people, like when
Speaker 1: they even know they're pregnant, it's well past six weeks. So,
Speaker 1: you know, a credit to this judge for build sadly
Speaker 1: being brave enough to defend like what people had agreed
Speaker 1: upon was a constitutional right and to not just give
Speaker 1: like a you know, like in the Supreme Court is
Speaker 1: like a like a couple of paragraphs to just sort
Speaker 1: of explain that's complex and you know, we're not going
Speaker 1: to really touch it. So yeah, I think I hope
Speaker 1: that this can at least set a higher standard. And
Speaker 1: we'll see if again this appeal, what happens with that,
Speaker 1: because the Fifth Circuit again was more than willing to
Speaker 1: accept these kinds of arguments the first time. But Nicholae,
Speaker 1: you're saying that it's not counting back from the last
Speaker 1: from your missed menstrual cycle. It's counting back from your
Speaker 1: last mestural cycle that you actually had. Yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: didn't know that until I was pregnant, right, So Obi
Speaker 1: explained this to me, And so yeah, so let's say
Speaker 1: you know, your last menstrual cycle was what October one,
Speaker 1: and you know how we know how babies are made,
Speaker 1: you know, happens in the middle of your cycle, right,
Speaker 1: So say conception was around you know, the fifteen or
Speaker 1: something like that, then you know six weeks out is
Speaker 1: actually November, right, So even though that's four weeks since conception,
Speaker 1: so they count it from the beginning. Yeah, they just
Speaker 1: add on two weeks and so that really gives you
Speaker 1: two weeks from your missed menstrual period, which obviously is
Speaker 1: not always like okay, this is clockwork. It's not here,
Speaker 1: so it must be pregnant like that. There's all sorts
Speaker 1: of different reasons for you know, delayed menstrual periods and
Speaker 1: so like that, that really gives you two weeks best
Speaker 1: case scenario to know if you're going by you know,
Speaker 1: the you're missing a menstrual cycle two weeks too, then
Speaker 1: needing to get a hotel and you know, making all
Speaker 1: those plans, it's not enough time, and it's actually you know,
Speaker 1: how are you going to get time off work? There's
Speaker 1: all these other economic issues that are embedded into this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because like in Texas, they're also arguing
Speaker 1: it's like, well we're not cutting like people can go
Speaker 1: to like Oklahoma or like Colorado or like other places
Speaker 1: and like and that works. But they're just like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. If you are allowed to have a
Speaker 1: law that's unconstitutional like this, then every state can. So
Speaker 1: it's not that this state is just in a vacuum.
Speaker 1: So again, like you know, they're very disingenuous attempt at
Speaker 1: doing this was like rightly observed and in a proper
Speaker 1: opinion was like written on it. But yeah, at this point,
Speaker 1: I think this is just something that we're going to
Speaker 1: keep seeing them trying to test what's gonna work or
Speaker 1: what's not. And you know, if Scotus will deliver a
Speaker 1: deathblow eventually, yeah, I mean I would just say that
Speaker 1: nobody is pro abortion, you know, nobody is. In the
Speaker 1: episode that we did about this, I talked about a
Speaker 1: pregnancy termination that I had when I was smith younger
Speaker 1: and I was on birth control and I was taking
Speaker 1: another pill that made it ineffective and it was by
Speaker 1: far the worst day of my life. And so when
Speaker 1: you see protesters, I'm always like, who do you think
Speaker 1: you're protesting against? These are like your sisters potentially or
Speaker 1: your coworkers. I only then opened up to friends, and
Speaker 1: I had no idea that other so many of my
Speaker 1: friends and other women have gone through the very same thing.
Speaker 1: So I would just underscore that this idea that this
Speaker 1: is somehow like a birth control or a fun, you know,
Speaker 1: excursion to Oklahoma. It's not devastating. Yeah, kind of the
Speaker 1: off of your point, Nicole, I do I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about this l a Times report about heat waves,
Speaker 1: which is basically that they're saying that heat waves are
Speaker 1: six times deadlier than the official counts recognize, just using
Speaker 1: data of like how many people would normally die during
Speaker 1: a period, and then how many people die when the
Speaker 1: temperature is like extremely elevated. And also off of your
Speaker 1: point earlier, is happening to the sorts of people that
Speaker 1: we don't see reported on, which is the poorest people,
Speaker 1: the unhoused, the elderly, the infirm, like people who you know,
Speaker 1: the news is like we don't we don't really want
Speaker 1: to see stories about them. And it's you know, way
Speaker 1: higher than anybody gives a credit for. They point out
Speaker 1: in the article that after a massive heatwave in California,
Speaker 1: thinking there were so many deaths, and like in a
Speaker 1: normal natural disaster, you would see like NonStop reporting and
Speaker 1: like where did we fall short? What happened? And there
Speaker 1: there was none of that. It was like it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And I think part of the problem is that these
Speaker 1: deaths aren't really like easy ee to see or like
Speaker 1: picture in your mind's eye. Like even in the article
Speaker 1: as they described the deaths, they sort of happened like
Speaker 1: off camera, Like an elderly man is like working digging
Speaker 1: ditches on during heatwave and goes home feeling sick and
Speaker 1: it's found that night in cardiac arrest and his driveway,
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't see them because they're just
Speaker 1: like not necessarily things that are happening in front of people.
Speaker 1: That's more kind of deaths of neglect. And just like
Speaker 1: in general, I always talk about how movies really give
Speaker 1: us our visual like vocabulary for things, like we our
Speaker 1: vision of space is mostly based on like movies that
Speaker 1: we've seen take place in space, or you know, our
Speaker 1: vision of countries we haven't been to, and like every
Speaker 1: other natural disaster has been depicted in movies, like I
Speaker 1: can picture people in floods and tsunami's like freezing earthquake,
Speaker 1: twist or hurricane, but like there's there's nothing for really
Speaker 1: like a heat death of it than like somebody and
Speaker 1: on like a desert island and it's like a slow
Speaker 1: dissolved to a skeleton with a pirate head on or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they're just pointing out that, like this is the
Speaker 1: deadliest form of natural disaster already in America and it's
Speaker 1: only going to get worse from here until we address
Speaker 1: climate change, and we're just not you know that, like
Speaker 1: California put together a list of I think forty recommendations
Speaker 1: for like how they could address this problem and of
Speaker 1: heat death, of heat death yet and just like extreme
Speaker 1: heat and like being prepared for it, and years later
Speaker 1: they're asked about it and they're like, yeah, well we've
Speaker 1: made like progress on like six of those things, which
Speaker 1: and the articles like that's even a stretch. So it's
Speaker 1: just something to keep an eye on because it is
Speaker 1: like sort of this silent, invisible killer that is happening
Speaker 1: more and more because of climate change. Right, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's the community that climate change is affecting the most.
Speaker 1: And you guys have seen a lot of this news
Speaker 1: around the dead ceiling recently, and part of this, if
Speaker 1: we don't raise the dead ceiling, then FEMA is not
Speaker 1: going to have as much money to take care of
Speaker 1: people that are hit by natural disasters. And of course
Speaker 1: we've seen from these climate change reports that that's only
Speaker 1: gonna increase. So that really scares me, right, And on
Speaker 1: top of it, you have people in the Senate who
Speaker 1: are willing to just weaponize that to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'll trigger global recession like watch, and then that
Speaker 1: way I can just point the finger at Joe Biden
Speaker 1: in the mid terms, because that's how cynical we are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely, I think, just this ongoing problem. But yeah,
Speaker 1: to the idea of like people not having the imagination,
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember, like my grandfather had a story
Speaker 1: about like the war, about how he got heat stroke
Speaker 1: or you know, just at the time he was just
Speaker 1: digging in a just out in the direct sunlight and
Speaker 1: describe all these things that happened to him. And even
Speaker 1: as a kid, I was like just from being in
Speaker 1: the sun. And I think, because we don't have the
Speaker 1: imagination for it, it it seems like this very obscure thing.
Speaker 1: Yet every time you look at a heat wave, come.
Speaker 1: You can just see the death rates go up, whether
Speaker 1: it's here or like in Europe a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just a very it's a very real thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we just I don't know if we can
Speaker 1: people can are able to connect it because it just
Speaker 1: seems like an obscure way to die. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: somebody asked you something about it. You know, during the
Speaker 1: the new cycle of the Climate change report, I saw
Speaker 1: this really interesting quote. I was talking to my partner
Speaker 1: about it. It It does a lot of work in climate change,
Speaker 1: and he said that this man said to his wife,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm scared to raise children in a time
Speaker 1: like this, And then the women said, I disagree. It's
Speaker 1: the ultimate privilege. I always love this quote. To raise
Speaker 1: dragon slayers in a time when there are dragons just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I've already talked to my five year
Speaker 1: old and three year old about like, hey, so this
Speaker 1: is going to be the main challenge of your lifetime,
Speaker 1: is like we we have to figure out how to
Speaker 1: deal with all sorts of ship. But yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think that's why that this These younger kids have a
Speaker 1: much more acute form of like eco anxiety than any
Speaker 1: other generation, you know, like they're they I think they're
Speaker 1: it's really connecting the dots for them. That like this
Speaker 1: is for many people who are under forty, things can
Speaker 1: begin will begin to look very different very quickly. Eco anxiety,
Speaker 1: that's the thing too. Yeah, there's like a study about
Speaker 1: it yet, just how it's affecting, you know, just this
Speaker 1: idea of how it seems like every day you're reading
Speaker 1: a report about how coral reefs are beginning to disappear,
Speaker 1: or the biodiversity of shrinking, and like the biomass is going,
Speaker 1: like just all these things and it just feels like
Speaker 1: a cascading, never ending omni crisis of the environment. And
Speaker 1: that is like that leads to a very specific form
Speaker 1: of anxiety around like how viable our earth is going
Speaker 1: to be? I tried to focus on on more like
Speaker 1: you guys get to build an entire new world, like
Speaker 1: it's going to be actually from a lot of could
Speaker 1: be a lot of creativity. I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: dried out husk that blows away with yeah, with a
Speaker 1: pirate hat on. I do want people to uh it's
Speaker 1: a nice man, yeah, at a whimsy to my tragic
Speaker 1: heat death. Yeah no, but there's a lot of money
Speaker 1: to be made. Actually, I mean, think about the infrastructure
Speaker 1: that we built this country on, right, the railroads and
Speaker 1: all of that. We have to rebuild it, which is
Speaker 1: going to create a lot of money. So when Wall
Speaker 1: Street is like, oh, these three huggy people, no, no, dudes,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money to be built in this right.
Speaker 1: But I guess you're like, but we're we have way
Speaker 1: too much momentum going from the old way we do it, Like,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a stretch. Now we've got to give
Speaker 1: up the fossil fields and improve our grid that can
Speaker 1: barely handle any kind of new clean energy revolution. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just so much to spend money on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a huge task and would create a lot of jobs.
Speaker 1: Is we have to modernize the grid in this country
Speaker 1: to even have any meaningful conversation about how clean energy
Speaker 1: is going to be part of our climate change solutions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell him, tell him Penny about the grid. Yeah, Penny
Speaker 1: didn't like that. Last point? Is fine? Real quick. So
Speaker 1: I have a in depth understanding of the debt ceiling.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that and like I'm kind of an expert
Speaker 1: on it, but would you mind just for the listeners,
Speaker 1: giving like kind of an overview of your of your
Speaker 1: thoughts on on that whole debate, because I actually don't
Speaker 1: know shit about it, but between you and me, just
Speaker 1: between us girls, I don't I don't even know to
Speaker 1: death ceiling is, but it does. The way we've covered
Speaker 1: it is mostly like it seems kind of like arbitrary
Speaker 1: thing that one party starts complaining about when the other
Speaker 1: party's empower to try and funk up the economy while
Speaker 1: while they have power, and like I get that there
Speaker 1: are actual financial dynamics at work and like eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: debtors have to be paid. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like I feel like it works off of this idea
Speaker 1: of well, the US government is just another individual that
Speaker 1: we should think of as like a financial like a
Speaker 1: company or a person. And it's actually like, no, they
Speaker 1: are the like they can print money, Like that's a
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big difference between them and us. But
Speaker 1: is there anything drastically wrong? But I just said there
Speaker 1: Now I would like to have a money printing machine
Speaker 1: as well. So the debt ceiling is the name for
Speaker 1: the maximum amount of money, uh, the government is allowed
Speaker 1: to borrow to pay their bills. So right now, the
Speaker 1: debt ceiling is twenty eight point for trillion dollars casual, right,
Speaker 1: so you might be thinking that's plenty of money, but no,
Speaker 1: the debt is over twenty eight point for three trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: So I lift up those couche cushions. Right, So the
Speaker 1: national debt is a couple billion dollars higher than what
Speaker 1: the government is allowed to borrow. So in situations like this,
Speaker 1: you would raise the debt ceiling or for the government,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's just borrow a little bit more
Speaker 1: so we can pay what we owe or print that money.
Speaker 1: But if the government can't decide, there is the deadline looming, guys,
Speaker 1: I think it's December three, do you hear Penny, she's
Speaker 1: very excited about this the government. If they can't decide
Speaker 1: about the dead ceiling, that would bring the conversations onto
Speaker 1: next year's budget to a halt. So if the budget
Speaker 1: isn't agreed upon, then some federal services can't operate, and
Speaker 1: then America goes into government shutdown. So government shutdown could
Speaker 1: mean delays or pauses in Social Security payments, which are
Speaker 1: really important to a lot of people, child tax credit payments, veterans, benefits,
Speaker 1: you know, funding for folks affected by natural disasters, as
Speaker 1: we talked about, nutrition programs for kids, paychecks for federal employees,
Speaker 1: like all the things. You know, you can't go to
Speaker 1: national parks or you can't go to the passport agency,
Speaker 1: like all the government programs won't exist. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's a complete shutdown. You know, there are essential
Speaker 1: things like border control or air traffic controller, law enforcement,
Speaker 1: but a lot of those employees don't get paid actually
Speaker 1: until the shutdown is lifted. Cool cool, cool cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, and it's all it's always good for
Speaker 1: someone to default on their debts too, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's the bringing the credit score down and then it
Speaker 1: costs more jobs. And yeah, it's just a it's just
Speaker 1: total chaos. But that's what's makes that's what makes it
Speaker 1: so just just so stupid, because the debt is accumulated
Speaker 1: under presidents of both parties, you know, and it's something
Speaker 1: that they constantly have to do. But to suddenly act
Speaker 1: like I don't know, Joe Biden, blah blah blah, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: now you're completely mischaracterizing what's happening for the sake of
Speaker 1: just like winning these cynical you know, rhetorical points for
Speaker 1: a campaign. Well it wasn't just now. I mean remember
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, that was the longest government shut
Speaker 1: down in history under Trump, it was thirty five days.
Speaker 1: We don't want to go back there again. You know, one,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be working for free. And so if
Speaker 1: the United States could actually default on its loans for
Speaker 1: the first time, that creates a whole other cascade of issues,
Speaker 1: you know, the stock market, the global economy. Yeah, important things, alright,
Speaker 1: stake Yeah, I've heard of both those things. They must
Speaker 1: be important. Stock market and the global economy. Damn. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about some bullshit. And we're back, and it's time
Speaker 1: to talk about something called tall zoom energy, which is
Speaker 1: a phenomenon that people are coming into contact with after
Speaker 1: you know, working remote for a long time and then
Speaker 1: seeing their coworkers in person for the first time or
Speaker 1: just for the first time in a in a while
Speaker 1: and haven't forgotten how tall they are, and realizing, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, you your energy is more that of a
Speaker 1: like six five person or more that of a five
Speaker 1: eight person, and you are either way taller or way shorter. Um,
Speaker 1: I expected, Yeah, it's I mean, this is apparently happening
Speaker 1: a lot as many people go from just seeing you
Speaker 1: on zoom too in physical space and more just like that.
Speaker 1: It's also kind of like a lot of people like
Speaker 1: kind of a weird backhanded compliment or can be a
Speaker 1: compliment in other situations, but um, this in this article,
Speaker 1: they talked to a few different people who are just
Speaker 1: sort of talking about like the things that they went through.
Speaker 1: One person who was working remotely ran into like one
Speaker 1: of their like senior people from their company on a flight,
Speaker 1: and the person was like shorter than they were, and
Speaker 1: like this woman was like, I'm shut but I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that, Like this person was shorter than me. She says, quote,
Speaker 1: I'm short, so I just kind of expect everyone to
Speaker 1: be taller than me. I think at some level you
Speaker 1: expect people who are higher up than you in the
Speaker 1: company to be taller than you too. Decay, and it's
Speaker 1: very limited thinking, But I think that's just some bizarre
Speaker 1: way humans thing probably born out of like evolutionary ship.
Speaker 1: But the presidents are usually tall, right, And on this flight,
Speaker 1: she was like she was like, I have to know
Speaker 1: everything about all the coworkers heights. Now this like for
Speaker 1: this specific employee. They were like, they said quote, I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't be surprised like this again, they said,
Speaker 1: we had our five hour flight back to d C
Speaker 1: together so we could really run through the full list
Speaker 1: of everyone. Now what I mean, does she need some
Speaker 1: work to do? Because I have some I could offer.
Speaker 1: Hold on, you want to know what how height? What's
Speaker 1: we work on those CPS reports real quick. But this
Speaker 1: whole thing is like you know a lot of people,
Speaker 1: when you let someone know like you're just OMG shocked
Speaker 1: that they are shorter or tallerant. That can be taken
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways. Like I was saying,
Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you're like, oh god, I
Speaker 1: thought you'd be tallerant, Like, so what are you trying
Speaker 1: to say about my height? And also what are you
Speaker 1: saying that my height being what it is? What? What?
Speaker 1: How does that affect anything for you? It sounds like
Speaker 1: there's no good way to to make that statement, because
Speaker 1: if you think I'm taller than I actually am based
Speaker 1: on zoom, then that's like I'm well that is how
Speaker 1: tall I'm so I'm stuck there. And if you think
Speaker 1: I'm shorter than I turn out to be, then it's
Speaker 1: like I give off the energy of like I give
Speaker 1: off small energy. Yeah, so should we guess all of
Speaker 1: each other's heights? Well, this is an interesting thing, right.
Speaker 1: This researcher said that people actually have a really good
Speaker 1: ability to clock someone's height just from a photograph. Like,
Speaker 1: it's just a weird thing. I just like they're like,
Speaker 1: I know, it seems odd what they can do it.
Speaker 1: I just want to read this one tidbit before we
Speaker 1: do try this exercise. A few years ago, they did
Speaker 1: a study where they showed participants photos of people's faces
Speaker 1: and asked them to guess the heights of the people
Speaker 1: in the photos. Quote, we found a really high correspondence
Speaker 1: between people's ability to tell how tall the people actually were.
Speaker 1: The judgments are within an inch. This is just from
Speaker 1: a black and white photo picture of someone's face. So
Speaker 1: this is but this I think doesn't take away from
Speaker 1: the tall zoom energy, and in fact, I think it
Speaker 1: lends credence to it, because, first of all, like anybody
Speaker 1: who has ever like watched a movie and then found
Speaker 1: out how tall the movie star actually is knows that
Speaker 1: this is a thing, right that like you just expect
Speaker 1: people to be a different size than they actually are.
Speaker 1: And I think like it's easier with a black and
Speaker 1: white picture, a snapshot of a stranger. You, Right, We're
Speaker 1: apparently able to just like get that, like bring that in.
Speaker 1: But if you're meeting with them for hours a day
Speaker 1: or just you're on a podcast with them, you start
Speaker 1: getting like takeaways and like you start getting basically moved
Speaker 1: away from the truth that you would have gotten from
Speaker 1: a single momentary like black and white snapshot. So it
Speaker 1: does seem like there is an energetic thing that is
Speaker 1: hard to define, but that is real, you know. So look, Nicole,
Speaker 1: you got you have a few context clues. Okay, go ahead,
Speaker 1: enter your your answer for how tight I just set
Speaker 1: up my had a frame. Sorry, I gotta make myself
Speaker 1: so dang small for these rooms that the normans have
Speaker 1: to operate. And how tall do you think Jack and
Speaker 1: I are? Are you going to guess how I am? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll go and then you you say, and we will
Speaker 1: not react to what you say, and then we will
Speaker 1: then give our answers back to you, and then we'll
Speaker 1: say that I'm gonna burst into tears. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that right away. Okay, then maybe we'll get Nicole's first.
Speaker 1: That way, Jack doesn't give it away by bursting into tears. Nicole,
Speaker 1: I believe you are between five seven or five nine. Um,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go like six seven six three. I
Speaker 1: was gonna go five seven stick. I've actually gotten that
Speaker 1: a lot. When I see people I r L and
Speaker 1: they've seen me on air or something, they say that
Speaker 1: I'm I look taller on air, So I'm five four okay, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is. Maybe I have that tall. You got
Speaker 1: that right at that between five seven and five nine
Speaker 1: energy and a cool I don't know what it is
Speaker 1: about you, but you get that's now. Okay, Now you go,
Speaker 1: what do you think? How tall do you think Jack
Speaker 1: and I are? Well, it's your all show, and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna come and I just do like you guys
Speaker 1: are both six ft tall. That's the right that's the
Speaker 1: right answer, that's the safe, right answer. But if you
Speaker 1: want my honest, honest answer, yeah, Miles your five ten, yes,
Speaker 1: and I want to hear Jack and Jack you're If
Speaker 1: I say, like one of you guys taller, then it's
Speaker 1: gonna be no. I look, we're not our toxic masculinity
Speaker 1: comes out in very odd ways not understood. So Jack,
Speaker 1: you're six Ah yeah, okay, okay, that that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold my tears in. This is so humiliating.
Speaker 1: Miles is six to Miles is six too. And also
Speaker 1: I always forget how tall he is when I when
Speaker 1: I've been like yeah, and then I see, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a strung six two and I'm five
Speaker 1: ft three. No, that's not true. I'm six ft between
Speaker 1: six ft and six ft one. So you really nailed Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I was gonna say yeah, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: six across the board. Yeah no, even though you're like diplomatic,
Speaker 1: like let me protect their fragile feelings, answer ended up
Speaker 1: being right. So I appreciate it. But this whole thing, though,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. In this other article, they talked about how
Speaker 1: people who are really tall or really short actually appreciate
Speaker 1: the mystery that zoom provides because it completely takes out
Speaker 1: the oh wow, you're really tall, taller you, taller you,
Speaker 1: or oh you're so short, oh you're so tiny, you know,
Speaker 1: like that kind of ship. A lot of people like
Speaker 1: in that sense, this sort of vague you know, uh,
Speaker 1: sort of a nebulous concept of height that's given through
Speaker 1: zoom actually has been an upside for these people. Like
Speaker 1: this one woman who's a teacher was like a lot
Speaker 1: of my teacher and a lot of my students they
Speaker 1: don't know in five ten and so they just think
Speaker 1: I'm the teacher or whatever, and like she's like, in
Speaker 1: my mind, she's like I love it because she's like,
Speaker 1: wait till you see me in the classroom if you
Speaker 1: guys are talking like that, because I'm gonna tower over
Speaker 1: your little kids. Well, you know what. I read an
Speaker 1: article about how the zoom world has helped pregnant women
Speaker 1: get raises more than they had before because you can't
Speaker 1: see if somebody is pregnant, and so there's this idea
Speaker 1: that once you're visibly pregnant, you know, consciously or subconsciously,
Speaker 1: an employer things like you're going to take time off
Speaker 1: or you know whatever, it might not want to invest
Speaker 1: in you. But you can't see that either. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just so funny. How many you know, whether it's like
Speaker 1: zoom camera fatigue is like another thing that people experience,
Speaker 1: or zoom based like body dysmorphia from like having to
Speaker 1: stare at our faces for hours that has like plagued people.
Speaker 1: Are you staring at yourself right now? Or no? No, no,
Speaker 1: I might. I tracked my eyes pretty constantly. But there
Speaker 1: are other times too where you'll I'll see myself and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, you know, and like then it's like,
Speaker 1: what the fun is this? Like this isn't northing used
Speaker 1: to just being in a room looking at other people
Speaker 1: without like in set screen of like what my face
Speaker 1: is actively doing. So yeah, I mean it's just it's
Speaker 1: this new era has given us all new ailments to
Speaker 1: Now you usually do in person, keep a makeup mirror
Speaker 1: going for most of the meetings just so I can
Speaker 1: kind of have a quick quick I can. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the but but the magnified side because you like you
Speaker 1: like you want to check your pores out and ship
Speaker 1: do you bring a ring light? I don't always bring
Speaker 1: a ring light, and that is on me. Yeah, opportunity. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Google's new candy Halloween candy graphic, which
Speaker 1: is bullshit as far as I can tell. Like last week,
Speaker 1: we we talked about that map that looked at the
Speaker 1: unique searches of candy and fifty states, or they try
Speaker 1: to determine which candy was each quote unquote states favorite. Well,
Speaker 1: Google just said, y'all on control the fucking data. Step aside,
Speaker 1: and let us tell you what is the most searched candy.
Speaker 1: And they said, look at this map, And they said,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're debating over fifty candies because
Speaker 1: if you look at the most searched candies by state,
Speaker 1: there are only two Eminem's and candy corn. If you're
Speaker 1: going by what is getting the most, like that's just it.
Speaker 1: Those are the highest searched candies, like that edge out
Speaker 1: all the other ones. There was no variation, which is
Speaker 1: really freaking me out. And where are the starbirths. They're not,
Speaker 1: they're not, they're not They're definitely not reaching the height
Speaker 1: of most searched candy. They're just saying, if you want
Speaker 1: to say what the most searched candy in this period is,
Speaker 1: in California, it's candy corn, or if it's Alaska, it's Eminem's, Wyoming, Eminem's.
Speaker 1: Pretty much everywhere else is fucking candy corn. And this
Speaker 1: this map, it's like it's more terrifying to look at
Speaker 1: than the electoral map in when of my candy corn
Speaker 1: has swept the nation? Or why do we think talking?
Speaker 1: I think this is the best evidence we have that
Speaker 1: because we are now because so much of our diet
Speaker 1: is actually made up of corn in America, that like
Speaker 1: corn has colonized our minds, and like we are now
Speaker 1: just corn aliens who are doing the bidding of corn.
Speaker 1: Because this makes no fucking sense whatsoever unless we've been
Speaker 1: we have like a parasite that is telling us to
Speaker 1: only only care about corn. I mean, on some level,
Speaker 1: is it's showing that word despite the all the regional
Speaker 1: things you think, It's like, deep down we're just these
Speaker 1: corn based Americans no matter how you cut it, we
Speaker 1: only think two candies exist or people just are searching
Speaker 1: very specifically for two candies. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: what would bring me to google candy corn? Candy corny
Speaker 1: like candy corn. He dislike it. I've got a real
Speaker 1: sweet too, candy corn content. It's just wax sweetness, That's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's like, what if you like little
Speaker 1: if you always wanted to eat a candle, this is
Speaker 1: your chance. Oh you guys didn't see the fine print.
Speaker 1: You see the small asterisks brought to you by Eminem.
Speaker 1: We got to do something, folks. Candy corn is taking
Speaker 1: the nation over. We gotta fight back, Patriots. And it's
Speaker 1: like such a straw man thing, like they pick the
Speaker 1: worst candy. Like everybody likes candy corn and not Eminem's.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you guys, America, you're letting us. You
Speaker 1: call the green Eminem's gonna be out of the job soon.
Speaker 1: It's it's getting that buzz, that hype. Yeah, if it's
Speaker 1: almost sold out, then folks think it's gonna be cool
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go get it. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I I wonder if people search it, because also people
Speaker 1: search it because they hate it and they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: what's candy corn even made of? You know, because I
Speaker 1: have this pattern I fall into every nearly every Halloween
Speaker 1: where I will try a piece of candy corn, like
Speaker 1: as if like I were a kid, being like this
Speaker 1: is the year I will like, you know, Brussels sprouts,
Speaker 1: like this is the year I would like candy corn
Speaker 1: every time the hell I hate it. I'm disgusted by myself,
Speaker 1: and but then I also search I am also like
Speaker 1: weirdly interested in it. Like I found out that used
Speaker 1: to call it chicken feet before they called it candy
Speaker 1: corn in some places, So I was like, what the
Speaker 1: funk is going with all this stuff? So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we can search for the right and the
Speaker 1: wrong reasons. Yeah, because it's not specifying if you're buying it,
Speaker 1: you're just questions about it, Like I have questions also
Speaker 1: about M and M's two. Yeah, like how many colors
Speaker 1: are there right now? You know it's been around for
Speaker 1: over a hundred years. Candy corn. Oh good lord, I
Speaker 1: mean that makes sense. It's like the candy that they
Speaker 1: came up with before they realized they could make it good.
Speaker 1: It's like the neco wafers and like ship like the
Speaker 1: dots that are just like sugar in various shapes and
Speaker 1: forms and colors. I mean, you know, I I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is one of the things keeping us back
Speaker 1: from progress in the country. You know that we haven't
Speaker 1: done away with candy corn. Like so much of our
Speaker 1: what ailes our societally is our clinging to candy corn
Speaker 1: still when it offers us nothing. It offers us absolutely nothing. Guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just searched candy corn dog, sure answer do not feed
Speaker 1: the pups at the candy corn. Really, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that's true of children and human adults too, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's because it has zila tall in it. Interesting, Okay,
Speaker 1: they say zilatol. It's it's in the candy corn. Not
Speaker 1: good for dogs, all right, candy corn dollars. I want
Speaker 1: to know the next word after candy corn that people
Speaker 1: search right, candy corn just right, digestion, diarrhea, you know,
Speaker 1: like candy corn, white supremacy. You know, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. Again, I'm like looking at something
Speaker 1: just I don't know. It just doesn't make it makes sense, America.
Speaker 1: Make it makes sense because it's I know, we don't
Speaker 1: like it. Then the other map that they did was
Speaker 1: also interesting. They were looking up uniquely searched Halloween drinks
Speaker 1: by state, and this is like one that I like
Speaker 1: because it's actually a bit more specific, like regionally, where
Speaker 1: in Texas they're searching for the penny Wise cocktail. If
Speaker 1: you live in New York, it's Halloween jungle juice. In California,
Speaker 1: brain hemorrhage shot. I mean, these are guests, spooky things
Speaker 1: to serve. But I like that ours has like the
Speaker 1: most just gross fucked up like idea of it all,
Speaker 1: like other ones. A lot of people search for blood
Speaker 1: bag cocktails because I guess that's a big fun party drink.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's just a very interesting sort of mix
Speaker 1: of things wrong with people. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like you know, Harry Potter by of half blood prince cocktail.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry they're allowing bloody mary as a as a
Speaker 1: Halloween drink. I guess, I guess it is. I've never
Speaker 1: really thought about that, but yeah, that is a Yeah,
Speaker 1: who looks so blood Tennessee, Virginia and Tennessee. I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's the one that makes sense to me. But
Speaker 1: I mean, which is Bruce seems right? Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that fits. But I didn't realize that in Kansas, like
Speaker 1: they're big on Harry Potter, Like that's the one where
Speaker 1: half blood prince cocktail is and then South Dakota is
Speaker 1: the other. I guess cool j k rowing cocktail based
Speaker 1: searches with butter beer. But that's my question, Google trends,
Speaker 1: how do you know that what these people are searching
Speaker 1: is for the drink version? What is there are a
Speaker 1: bunch of crazy killers with the brain hemorrhad shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if this is a whole other thing. How to
Speaker 1: get how to get someone with a brain hemorrhate shot?
Speaker 1: How to shoot someone and make it look like a
Speaker 1: brain hemorrhage. Jello shots are just like like really like
Speaker 1: bad nurses, like shift, They're like, I mean, fucking Arizona
Speaker 1: is black widow? That is a deadly spider that is
Speaker 1: endemic to the state of Arizona. Like Miles nicely, let's out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, a black widow. I mean if it's in,
Speaker 1: if it's in the building, that's one thing. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: like regular ones, you know, I will, I will, I
Speaker 1: will escort them out very kindly. Vampires kiss in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: I mean that just might be what what you're looking
Speaker 1: for on any given night. You know, a BlackBerry, lime juice, agave,
Speaker 1: a nectar, basil leaves. That's I guess what is in
Speaker 1: a black widow? But I don't know. Anyways, all hail
Speaker 1: our Lord and Savior, Corn. It has been a pleasure
Speaker 1: having you on the daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find
Speaker 1: you and follow you? You can find me at Nicole Lapin.
Speaker 1: Wherever social media is served, you can listen daily to
Speaker 1: Money Rehab, you know where to find it, wherever you
Speaker 1: find your favorite podcast, And is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I have been enjoying. While we were talking about the
Speaker 1: debt ceiling, I was thinking about one that I loved,
Speaker 1: asking the government if they had the audacity to give
Speaker 1: us a credit score? Right, yeah, they are all in debt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: m m m m hmmm. There you go, Miles. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram,
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray. Also, if you like y fiance, check
Speaker 1: out the other show for twenty Day Fiance with Sophia
Speaker 1: Alexandra and I were, you know, just a couple of
Speaker 1: immigrant kids watching this show being like kiss this, but
Speaker 1: we love it. It's trash, So come back for that
Speaker 1: Twitch dot tv slash for twenty Day Fiance. Tweet that
Speaker 1: I like, there's a couple. Since we were just talking
Speaker 1: about these weird cocktail recipes, Willie at Willie Staley tweeted
Speaker 1: envy the younger generation that completely missed out on the
Speaker 1: bespoke cocktail revolution of a decade ago and knows it
Speaker 1: only from Joe the jokes were all real. There were
Speaker 1: really guys and suspenders who took ten minutes to make
Speaker 1: a drink and they had mustaches. That's all true. That
Speaker 1: was the only way you could drink a drink. I
Speaker 1: feel like on Melrose at a certain point. Another one
Speaker 1: which I really loved is from Jess Tom at Jess
Speaker 1: Tom to white people think all Asians come from either
Speaker 1: Japan or China, which is ridiculous because as an Asian American,
Speaker 1: I know all Asians come from either nor Cal or
Speaker 1: so Cal. Uh and that just hit me right in
Speaker 1: my so call Asian heart. So shout out to that tweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Brian.
Speaker 1: A couple of tweets have been enjoying. Aaron McGuire Olson
Speaker 1: tweeted the challenge I'm doing this month that's called October
Speaker 1: and it's where I just try to get through every
Speaker 1: day of October. And then Jimmy at Jimmy Infa tweeted
Speaker 1: you're in his d MS. I'm not. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk to him, and I like that as the
Speaker 1: one loves that construction. Yeah, uh, you can find us
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeegeist
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Speaker 1: website Daily zi geist dot com where we post our
Speaker 1: episodes and our foot notes where we link off to
Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song are we sending people to go to? This
Speaker 1: is uh again, we're talking about breaking genres. This is
Speaker 1: like an R and B future track. If it's like
Speaker 1: as if someone was like trying to make R and
Speaker 1: sample based R and B like in the Ashes of
Speaker 1: an Apocalypse and all the how was scratched off th'angelo
Speaker 1: CD to take samples from. This is called Shovel by
Speaker 1: an artist called Fred Wave and for the t'angelo fans
Speaker 1: of the album moo do. I say that because there's
Speaker 1: a really spooky sample of the track Spanish joint that's
Speaker 1: being used throughout the track and a very like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, very spooky way. That's the only way I
Speaker 1: can describe it. So check this out. This is Shovel
Speaker 1: by Fred Wade. All right, well, the Daily ze guys
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Speaker 1: to you all then. Bye. Lie,