Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two or three,
Speaker 1: episode two of a production of I Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: America's shared consciousness. It is Tuesday, September twenty twenty. Woman
Speaker 1: names Jack O'Brien a k look at my thighs. I'm Jacob,
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Speaker 1: always by my co host, Mr mild Gray. Hang around
Speaker 1: token by myself and I've had too much cold brew
Speaker 1: and I was reading about horse paste and there you will,
Speaker 1: eyes glued to us. Which, yeah, there he was in
Speaker 1: the zoom room on my screen. I smell doing cold gas.
Speaker 1: M who's that lounge in in that chair? Who's that
Speaker 1: flashing blinding thighs in my direction? Surely it must be Jacoby. Okay,
Speaker 1: shout out to Gingerfish on the discord, a newcomer to
Speaker 1: the Discord, and you're just dunking on us with that
Speaker 1: Marcy playground windmil a, thank you, Windmill three sixty dense
Speaker 1: Carter's first dunk of the Dunk Contest. What was I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: It was a cultural personality you know, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta the and was playing in my head, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't playing in anyone else's head, so maybe we'll cut
Speaker 1: that one down. Never never, well, we are thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined by the correspondent and host of Vice News Reports.
Speaker 1: Before that, they hosted boxes technology podcast Reset, and they
Speaker 1: were the first climate change correspondent and American nightly news
Speaker 1: on the Emmy Award winning Vice News. Tonight. They were
Speaker 1: awarded the twenty nineteen Science and Society Journalism Award for
Speaker 1: a story they wrote about a predominantly black community living
Speaker 1: in a poor rural region of Alabama where failing septic
Speaker 1: tanks and pools of rossa which had increased the risk
Speaker 1: of hookwarm and other infectious diseases. All of that to
Speaker 1: say they are a first rate guest on a second
Speaker 1: rate podcast. Please welcome, the talented, the esteemed, the brilliant R. L.
Speaker 1: Dham Ross. Thank you so much for having me, guys,
Speaker 1: really love that rendition of sex and candy so so good,
Speaker 1: like a really so enjoyable Thank you there's just there's
Speaker 1: just something about that song I've I've always felt connected to.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like at a certain point
Speaker 1: it was playing on a loop at the mall I
Speaker 1: used to go to as a kid, like just all
Speaker 1: the time. It was also on the soundtrack for Cruel Intentions,
Speaker 1: a very important movie in my years. Oh of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I picture Cruel Intentions, that can only picture the
Speaker 1: scary movie kiss like version of that. Is that what?
Speaker 1: It was? A scary movie that did the kiss with
Speaker 1: the like long section. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the saliva. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Yeah, Like, that's all
Speaker 1: I've seen since then. And had you brought up any
Speaker 1: other movie, I still would have brought that scene. Know
Speaker 1: when I picked that movie? Uh, when I think off
Speaker 1: Tinker Taylor, Soldier, Spy, that kiss. Oh God, I really
Speaker 1: hope I'm right about the sex and candy being in
Speaker 1: the Cruel Intentions soundtrack, because if I'm not this, we
Speaker 1: definitely went on a tangent. You know what, if you're not,
Speaker 1: they failed because it would have been perfect for that
Speaker 1: soundtrack even if it wasn't on it exactly. Let me
Speaker 1: just look and just confirming it is not on there. Well,
Speaker 1: are you SI failed? Coming Up from Behind is a
Speaker 1: Marcy Playground behind one. Yes, that's that's the one. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: at least the band actually made a song for yeah,
Speaker 1: and honestly for you to even know me multiple Marcy
Speaker 1: Playground songs, I think is a feat in and of itself.
Speaker 1: So that come Coming Up, Come Coming Up, Coming Up
Speaker 1: from Behind songs got a really good baseline. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say people don't know this on that
Speaker 1: are listening to the podcast, but you are on some
Speaker 1: new fangled iPad and when you were just doing your
Speaker 1: little moves, it was giving a little bit of camera motions,
Speaker 1: so you really brought a vibe to the zoom call.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate that. Oh well, thank you. It's
Speaker 1: very cool program that I am immediately going to go
Speaker 1: out and get because it just adds gravity tasted to
Speaker 1: everything you do. You're struggling with technology before we started recording,
Speaker 1: and it like did this slow push on your face
Speaker 1: that made it made it? I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: look perplexed trying to join the audio on this calling,
Speaker 1: or like you're super deep in thought and contemplating the
Speaker 1: world's problems. How has your a pandemic? Ben? I, I
Speaker 1: can't remember when it was that we last talked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last time we talked, I think it was still a pandemic.
Speaker 1: How was it. How was your recent pandemic? Ben? It's
Speaker 1: been okay. You know. I I finally got to go
Speaker 1: back to Canada, where I'm from, where I grew up
Speaker 1: my family, and that was a big deal because that
Speaker 1: hadn't happened in two years. Uh. So you know, it's um,
Speaker 1: you know, we're hanging in there. Yeah. Nice. And you're
Speaker 1: in New York right when you're in the States. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: right now, how did you And like I ask every
Speaker 1: guest he was over there, how how did you fare
Speaker 1: during the inclement weather a few weeks ago? Oh? We
Speaker 1: were fortunate. Our backyard because we have a yard, kind
Speaker 1: of flooded a little bit. Uh And for a while there,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there's a lake in the backyard,
Speaker 1: but it didn't actually enter the apartment. So we were good,
Speaker 1: really really fortunate. A lot of our friends in the
Speaker 1: same neighborhood were not as fortunate. Yeah. And I'm always
Speaker 1: curious because like I have, like half of my family
Speaker 1: lived in Japan, and I haven't been able to see
Speaker 1: them since the pandemic either. What was it like to
Speaker 1: go home for for all that time? Was it just
Speaker 1: like was it everything you thought it would be? Was
Speaker 1: it less? Was it? Or that's a good question. You know.
Speaker 1: What was strange is that, like, because I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: my parents in two years, I had a little bit
Speaker 1: of I mean, we do zoom calls, but like it's
Speaker 1: not like phone cameras were super detailed, and so I
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a fear that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: are they going to look like two years older? Like
Speaker 1: that kind of for whatever reason, like it kind of
Speaker 1: freaked me out that I would feel like so much
Speaker 1: time had passed that I could actually notice a difference.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for them, they still look great. So actually I
Speaker 1: didn't feel that and that you were able to embrace
Speaker 1: them in your heart because they still looked good. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was just because they still look for young, right,
Speaker 1: So I still love them right great, But it was weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird because my experience of the pandemic in
Speaker 1: New York City was so different from there's in Montreal.
Speaker 1: You know, like my sister to this day still doesn't
Speaker 1: actually know somebody personally that she's like close to who's
Speaker 1: had COVID and right exactly, And so like when you're
Speaker 1: talking about like what the pandemic has been, like where
Speaker 1: is they? And and also on top of that, they
Speaker 1: have had a bunch of curfews. They had curfews that
Speaker 1: lasted a really long time. And so it's like this
Speaker 1: comparing notes situation where like we all experienced traumatic things,
Speaker 1: but very very differently. You know, my my trauma was
Speaker 1: like life and death trauma, and my sister's trauma was
Speaker 1: like being at home all the time, feeling super confined
Speaker 1: and more so than in than in Brooklyn. And so
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just that that's weird, that that
Speaker 1: feeling of like I think before I went, I felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're all in this together. And then I went and
Speaker 1: I was like, Nope, every country had a different pandemic, right,
Speaker 1: and and we're not. It's not this big, universal, global
Speaker 1: shared experience the way that I thought it was initially, right, Right,
Speaker 1: makes sense. So we're gonna get to know you a
Speaker 1: little bit better in a moment. First, just a few
Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: humanitarian crisis, at the border in uh del Rio, Texas,
Speaker 1: and just generally the inhumane border policies of all administrations
Speaker 1: and ones that are especially poorly you know, suited to
Speaker 1: our increasingly hot changed climate. We will talk about Mike
Speaker 1: Pats apparently he thinks he can lead the GOP and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm here, I want to see it. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I believe in you. Get out there, do your thing.
Speaker 1: Your base didn't want to like lynch you or anything.
Speaker 1: So you're pretty sure you got this, Mike. Yeah, the confidence, sir.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about how college students are drinking less,
Speaker 1: smoking more. We're gonna talk about the Emmy's briefly, just uh,
Speaker 1: the fact that they were not COVID safe, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about just a couple other responses
Speaker 1: to you know, just we're seeing COVID logic bend into
Speaker 1: all different kind of unique, uncomfortable shapes. So we'll we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the conservative logic that thinks that liberals are
Speaker 1: doing reverse psychology on them. All of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first ri L, we like to ask our guest,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history? Right? So from
Speaker 1: my so all of my answers to all these questions
Speaker 1: all surround the same theme right now, so recent search history.
Speaker 1: The thing that is predominant in my search history right
Speaker 1: now is I'm looking for like really good cycling shorts
Speaker 1: because I recently got into like biking, and I went
Speaker 1: on this like thirty no forty something mile bike ride
Speaker 1: this weekend, and like my butt hurts, like my CITs bones,
Speaker 1: like everything is in like deep deep pain, and now
Speaker 1: I need to like gear up and actually buy actually
Speaker 1: good cycling gear so ignorant like the like the padded shorts.
Speaker 1: And I'm also looking for like a different bike seat
Speaker 1: that has less padding compared because apparently that's better too.
Speaker 1: So it's like my search history is all about biking
Speaker 1: right now, and specifically about like my butt pain, how
Speaker 1: but pain from biking. But seriously, though, like a road
Speaker 1: bike gravel what kind of Yeah? I have a ten
Speaker 1: year old road bike that I bought when I was
Speaker 1: doing my undergraduate degree, and I never really got into
Speaker 1: it very intensely. And then I moved to New York
Speaker 1: City and I was too scared to bike in New
Speaker 1: York City. So but I have a bunch of friends
Speaker 1: who are very intense cyclists and they are building up
Speaker 1: my confidence there take me on rides. I went through
Speaker 1: Central Park this weekend in Times Square and like contended
Speaker 1: with those those cars and it was a good experience.
Speaker 1: I'm also getting on my bike, but I have I
Speaker 1: just got an electric bike just to like kind of
Speaker 1: commune around, so I don't drive my car as much,
Speaker 1: which is great, but part of it is I live
Speaker 1: in one of the most hostile places for someone to
Speaker 1: be on a bicycle, which is l a um and
Speaker 1: I like you, like my partner, she goes to show
Speaker 1: show bike into work, so she's like very comfortable on
Speaker 1: the roads. I grew up almost getting hit by cars
Speaker 1: to the point where I rode the role mostly would
Speaker 1: ride my bike on the sidewalk, which is not supposed
Speaker 1: to do, just to like avoid the stress of that.
Speaker 1: But as I've gotten out more, I'm I can totally
Speaker 1: identify with like the comfort level because like I at
Speaker 1: first hated cars like flying by me when I was
Speaker 1: on a bike, And now you know, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm learning my safety like sort of protocols. How
Speaker 1: to keep my head on a swivel, know how to
Speaker 1: what to read my body to signal to other cars
Speaker 1: and things like that, and I'm slowly gaining that confidence. So, like,
Speaker 1: defensive bike techniques are so important and I'm like slowly
Speaker 1: learning them. Yeah, New York is no joke. I've I
Speaker 1: used to bike around New York a lot, and I
Speaker 1: have almost been sandwiched by a bus in between, like
Speaker 1: a bus and a parked car. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I think Elie is more hostile. I think it's because
Speaker 1: I see more people in New York and like I
Speaker 1: don't give a fun And in that way, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it must be easy to bike, But when I'm on
Speaker 1: the sidewalks of New York, I'm like, man, I would
Speaker 1: not biking this ship at all. Yeah. I guess it's
Speaker 1: all about you know, learning, you know, learning environment and
Speaker 1: getting used to it. Yeah. I'm just getting comfy on
Speaker 1: my bike, you know. Yeah, I've definitely felt the pain
Speaker 1: of not having the right My my cycling pants were
Speaker 1: corduroy and uh yeah started off fire. Yeah, at one
Speaker 1: point it was not good, just leaving a trail of
Speaker 1: fabric behind you. What is something you think is overrated? Okay,
Speaker 1: So along this this like theme of biking here. You know,
Speaker 1: I've done spin classes I've tried a peloton bike in
Speaker 1: the past, Like I think that's what's overrated. Like now
Speaker 1: that I'm getting into like outdoor biking, it is just
Speaker 1: better to just be outside to like the real life
Speaker 1: effort of like real roads outdoors. It just feels so
Speaker 1: much better. So like that's that's the overrated, underrated thing,
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think I think spin classes are
Speaker 1: super overrated. But who when you're biking around on the street,
Speaker 1: who's telling you that you're killing it and just shouting
Speaker 1: at you? So I will tell you my friend Dylan,
Speaker 1: who takes me out on bike rides. The first bike
Speaker 1: ride that we did together, we went like forty four
Speaker 1: miles or something, and I had never done that much,
Speaker 1: like not even close, like like my last my last
Speaker 1: bike ride had probably been liked miles or like through
Speaker 1: five miles. So he takes me out on the spike
Speaker 1: ride and at the very end the last like five miles,
Speaker 1: I was dying and he starts playing the theme to
Speaker 1: Rocky next to me, like holding out his phone. My
Speaker 1: friend Dylan is the answer to that question. Everybody needs
Speaker 1: a Dylan for all the Predator fans out there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I love to hear that anything that rocky theme would
Speaker 1: get you through it. Oh yeah, I gotta get a
Speaker 1: speed of a speaker for your bike. You blasting tunes
Speaker 1: when you biking? Uh not yet, not yet. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: get there at some point. Yeah, that's I think that's
Speaker 1: my next step because I don't want to have headphones in,
Speaker 1: but I don't mind being like the guys like who's
Speaker 1: that old millennial blasting Drummond bass off their bicycle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can also do those um like bone conducting headphones
Speaker 1: that just conducting jaw. Those are kind of nerdy though,
Speaker 1: they're like not not the best look, but they're safe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't mind just being aggressive. I'd rather have
Speaker 1: someone be like turn that ship then have my space headphones.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. The jaw one so you can hear the
Speaker 1: sounds around you as your jaw is. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: How do they stick to your jaw? Oh? So they
Speaker 1: just like pass behind your ears, like very much like um,
Speaker 1: you know, like old school sports headphones that would wrap
Speaker 1: around your ears and then they like stick to your
Speaker 1: jaw on the side and so it's just wrapping around
Speaker 1: your ears basically. Yeah, that that sounds trippy to like
Speaker 1: it is coming from inside your Have you ever tried him?
Speaker 1: Do you know what the sound qualities? Like? Sound quality
Speaker 1: is not as good. I used to have a pair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to own a pair, and it's not as good.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not like the audiophiles will take them, um,
Speaker 1: but you know, they do the trick. And if you're
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts you can definitely hear. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: you're listening to music, like it's more about like feeling
Speaker 1: the music, I guess, but they really do leave your
Speaker 1: ears like entirely clear. Yeah. Maybe that's better than me
Speaker 1: strapping a boom box onto my bike I can't hear.
Speaker 1: Probably probably makes more sense. Yeah, but I love boom
Speaker 1: by Andy C. I picture you're strapping a boom box
Speaker 1: onto your head, like like it's so like unbalanced. Oh
Speaker 1: no no, I'll be safe out there. What is something
Speaker 1: that you think is underrated? Well, yeah, so that I
Speaker 1: kind of already give you my answer, which is biking outside. Yeah. Ok, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the thing that's super underrated. Everything is
Speaker 1: all there's a theme here, you know, I really, I really,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I I've been enjoying being outside so so
Speaker 1: much it's a real workout, is super hard, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just feel like I have to be
Speaker 1: like incredibly alert. It feels like I'm like some kind
Speaker 1: of superhero sometimes just looking at my environment while I'm biking.
Speaker 1: It's it's a good it's a good feeling. I love
Speaker 1: the freedom of it. I feel like it's like the
Speaker 1: one of the few. It's one of the first things
Speaker 1: I've done recently that I actually felt like I did
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, Like doing something. It feels
Speaker 1: exactly like when I'd be like, I'll be back in
Speaker 1: the our mom and I'm like getting on my bike
Speaker 1: and I'm going to seven eleven, like further down. Because
Speaker 1: there was a slurpy flavor I wanted that they didn't
Speaker 1: have my seven eleven ship and that like sense of
Speaker 1: I think, being free and like having the wind in
Speaker 1: my face. I was That was like a thing I
Speaker 1: really wasn't prepared for. As I really started like biking
Speaker 1: more and more and more, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is like it's it's activating all these feelings. It's
Speaker 1: so great and all of a sudden, New York City
Speaker 1: feels like really small. It's now I can actually like
Speaker 1: reach every spot relatively fast, and like it just it
Speaker 1: makes everything so much more accessible all of a sudden
Speaker 1: if you can get on a bike recommended. That's what
Speaker 1: I noticed when I started biking around New York. Is
Speaker 1: like I had learned New York geography as like a
Speaker 1: series of islands based around the subway stops that I
Speaker 1: had gone to and so, and then biking just allows
Speaker 1: you to like kind of connect all of those and
Speaker 1: actually see, oh, this is actually super super I never
Speaker 1: I never feel more dumb than when I bike through
Speaker 1: somewhere and I'm like, oh my god, this is just
Speaker 1: on the other side of this part in let's don't
Speaker 1: know what the funk I thought this was. I grew
Speaker 1: up in this place. Yeah yeah, oh man, all right, well,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back
Speaker 1: to talk news. And we're back. And there is a developing,
Speaker 1: worsening humanitarian crisis on the other side of the border.
Speaker 1: In Del Rio, Texas. There are mostly Haitian migrants currently
Speaker 1: living under a bridge and based they just waiting to
Speaker 1: see if the United States will help them. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the answer seems to be no. It's sadly they're seeking
Speaker 1: asylum in the United States, and with you know, Trump
Speaker 1: and Biden, they seem to be doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is basically telling them, no, we are unable to
Speaker 1: do that. Biden hasn't deviated much from Trump's policies, which
Speaker 1: is essentially like wait in Mexico during this period, and
Speaker 1: we will use a CDC guideline to sort of justify
Speaker 1: sending people back on flights no matter what, under the
Speaker 1: guise of essentially protecting the US from COVID. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people are really skeptical whether or not that
Speaker 1: is even having the positive results they claim to have
Speaker 1: by saying like, oh, these people have we got to
Speaker 1: get them out because of the pandemic. But it's just
Speaker 1: a way to justify the inhumane treatment of these people
Speaker 1: who are seeking asylum. And you know, again cramped conditions,
Speaker 1: glacial pace of processing people, just we're seeing the same problems,
Speaker 1: you know, just sort of play out over and over
Speaker 1: and predictably. Republicans are pouncing on this moment as like
Speaker 1: a way to paint displaced people as subhuman and also
Speaker 1: to try and create a scandal that they can campaign
Speaker 1: on for Joe Biden because xenophobia it is a great
Speaker 1: motivating tactic for their base, which is to point at
Speaker 1: something at the board and say, look, what's happening because
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden. I get out there and vote for
Speaker 1: someone who will treat them like not people. And we've
Speaker 1: already seen pictures of the fucking border patrol, like on
Speaker 1: horses whipping people. I don't know if you saw those
Speaker 1: images yet, but it is a really, really terrible scene.
Speaker 1: And Biden, you know, it's totally aware of this. I
Speaker 1: think the dynamic, especially as it relates to the conservative
Speaker 1: sort of painting of this this incident right now. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why he's barely changed the policy since
Speaker 1: he took office, because he doesn't want that. He doesn't
Speaker 1: want to give the right the the optic win of
Speaker 1: essentially being humane and allowing them to turn it into
Speaker 1: this guy's just just basically burning the borders down. You know,
Speaker 1: it's free for all over here at this point, um,
Speaker 1: And it's and then at the same time, continued sort
Speaker 1: of disregard for Haiti's place in the Western hemisphere and
Speaker 1: why we're at this place, because there's typically a really
Speaker 1: a strong connection between people who are seeking asylum in
Speaker 1: the United States are trying to get into the United
Speaker 1: States and US meddling in their country at some point
Speaker 1: to and destabilizing it. And yeah, Hatie is a really
Speaker 1: good example of that for sure. Yeah, I mean I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the backdrop behind all of this is like
Speaker 1: the earthquake, it's Haiti having lost its president to assassination
Speaker 1: very recently. And yeah, it's it's sad to see, you
Speaker 1: know the fact that Biden isn't doing very much right
Speaker 1: now and is not changing post Trump, is not is
Speaker 1: not really reversing many of these policies. Yeah, it's it's um,
Speaker 1: it definitely feels like an optics thing for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the only way you can, man, I think,
Speaker 1: because already there's problems as it relates to you know,
Speaker 1: the the COVID mandates, as he you know, he's trying
Speaker 1: to play a very walk of fine line with that.
Speaker 1: There's also like he's got the U n stuff happening
Speaker 1: this week where he's going to try and like beg
Speaker 1: Mike mcrown to like like the US again because the
Speaker 1: whole submarine sale incident. But yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: I kind of saw vague reference to that. But because yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're like, hey, like we sell nuclear subs not
Speaker 1: you guys to Australia. It's just it's all part of
Speaker 1: this pact of the New Zealand Australia sort of US
Speaker 1: sort of uh you know, Pacific Pact against China. But
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to the Haitians, you know,
Speaker 1: like there have ever since that earthquake in two you know,
Speaker 1: it's caused many people to seek opportunity outside of the
Speaker 1: country at a at a like at a larger rate.
Speaker 1: And then the pandemic killed off a lot of jobs
Speaker 1: that people had in places like Brazil or Chile and
Speaker 1: things like that. So they're moving further to try and
Speaker 1: find a way to survive. And this time there are
Speaker 1: a lot of social media rumors that were like fueling
Speaker 1: a lot of the optimism for these migrants, which essentially
Speaker 1: that they were like, well, there's protected status for Haitians,
Speaker 1: but that was really only applying to the people that
Speaker 1: were within the United States, and now they're being met
Speaker 1: at the border with whips and horses and just saying
Speaker 1: like this now is not the time and putting people
Speaker 1: on flights back to a country that is like verging
Speaker 1: on a like full on like hot civil war and
Speaker 1: so many people like this doesn't even make sense, like
Speaker 1: this is just this is like cruelty upon cruelty to
Speaker 1: do this. And you know, to the point of like
Speaker 1: US intervention in Haiti, this has been an issue. You know,
Speaker 1: Haiti's economic development was hamstrung the second that they liberated
Speaker 1: themselves with a slave slave rebellion from France, and France
Speaker 1: essentially said, okay, we'll we'll acknowledge your independence if you
Speaker 1: pay us for the lost property that the slave owners
Speaker 1: experienced as a result of you liberating yourselves. And those
Speaker 1: payments were being made from the beginning of the nineteenth
Speaker 1: century up until the last payment I think was made
Speaker 1: in the forties, the nineteen forties. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: the US was very very quickly entered Haiti like towards
Speaker 1: the or the beginning of the twentieth century, took over
Speaker 1: the treasury and was sort of essentially saying, like, okay,
Speaker 1: of all the wealth in this country is going to
Speaker 1: be redirected towards quote unquote debt that you owe the
Speaker 1: US or France. And this has just been this has
Speaker 1: kept Haiti from actually being able to grow as a
Speaker 1: nation and also be part of a global economy. So
Speaker 1: just like so many layers of of of trauma and
Speaker 1: death to deal with. But this is again, this is
Speaker 1: this is the thing that the American media or mainstream
Speaker 1: media will never do, is like give you a real
Speaker 1: primer on these countries where people are coming from and
Speaker 1: understanding what the u US his role is, and how
Speaker 1: they got to where they are, and on some levels
Speaker 1: should be arguing why we should actually be helping these people,
Speaker 1: because it's typically it's always reasons to like why we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Biden famously said in like the nineties
Speaker 1: that like Haiti was just inconsequential to the United States
Speaker 1: and that's why he was focused more on the Balkans.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually didn't know he said that interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's really and it's like very like he said
Speaker 1: it in very dark terms, like essentially saying like if
Speaker 1: it's sunk into the sea, like we wouldn't really, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't think twice about it. Nineties Biden tells on modern
Speaker 1: day Biden a lot quotes from nineties Biden like what
Speaker 1: about Israel, And he said if Haiti just quietly sunk
Speaker 1: into the Caribbean or rose up three feet, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: matter a whole lot in terms of our interest. Oh nice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do not. That is wild. That is not a
Speaker 1: great quote. Now, but he's not. He's full of not
Speaker 1: great quotes, you know, like and all the time you're like, no,
Speaker 1: he said that. He's sort of one of those people.
Speaker 1: You go, he said that, and then at the other
Speaker 1: side of your mind, Yeah he said that ship. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I can also see that. Yeah. I mean the hope
Speaker 1: is that he is politically adaptable and changes and like
Speaker 1: kind of feels the the pressure to move towards the
Speaker 1: more humanitarian place. But that is yeah, well, when you're
Speaker 1: doing ship, like what he's doing at the border right
Speaker 1: now kind of suggests that he hasn't really changed that
Speaker 1: much with regard to it's not a fight he you know,
Speaker 1: this is like another thing, like I think he expended
Speaker 1: a lot of political capital the visibly because of the
Speaker 1: Afghanistan thing, Like we shouldn't have been there. This is
Speaker 1: always going to happen, so someone had to do it
Speaker 1: because every person before me lie to that they were
Speaker 1: going to do it. So we have to do this
Speaker 1: to like move things along. Yeah, did I Is there
Speaker 1: a better way to do it? Yeah? Probably, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, immigration is just another one
Speaker 1: of those third rail issues in this country where if
Speaker 1: you suddenly have any movement towards a humane policy towards
Speaker 1: allowing people in this country or people who are looking
Speaker 1: for a better life or asylum, that all it's gonna
Speaker 1: do is you're gonna now have to face just a
Speaker 1: media culture war against this idea that you're saying, like
Speaker 1: America doesn't matter and this is just some place for
Speaker 1: people to come flood and be dirty or whatever. And
Speaker 1: I don't think, yeah, it doesn't. See I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people have moved sort of past being able
Speaker 1: to look at a situation like that and kind of
Speaker 1: not have that take up all the oxygen in a
Speaker 1: in the news. Yeah, it's another example of just, you know,
Speaker 1: the the US government basically understaffing the people who are
Speaker 1: processing people who are making claims of asylum. And then
Speaker 1: you know they even if they had the right Paul
Speaker 1: See in place, they would yeah, you know, just be
Speaker 1: like yeah. But it's the same thing with the distribution
Speaker 1: of rent relief and you know, the eviction ban. It's
Speaker 1: like they don't they they can have all these big
Speaker 1: ideas and policies, but then they don't actually staff it up,
Speaker 1: so you don't have the bureaucuracy in place to actually
Speaker 1: do anything with your with your ideas, right. I think
Speaker 1: Deli del Rio is having a huge problem with that,
Speaker 1: like specifically right because they're resting a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: They're putting a lot of these people in jail, and
Speaker 1: they just don't have the staff to like to like
Speaker 1: take care of these individuals, to process them. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's it really is like in Del Rio, it is
Speaker 1: bad right now. Yeah, And the sad thing is that
Speaker 1: all these images just will make someone who's not as
Speaker 1: informed just think that there's no solution to something like this.
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't know, we have border patrol,
Speaker 1: we have you know, customs people who work on this,
Speaker 1: but they still I mean, this is this is this
Speaker 1: is why we got to just tighten stuff up rather
Speaker 1: than really understanding like, no, we're not we're not we're
Speaker 1: not servicing these people in the in the manner that
Speaker 1: we should be. We're not, we're not creating the we
Speaker 1: don't have the actual infrastructure to deal with this because
Speaker 1: this isn't this is only going to increase um as
Speaker 1: climate changes uh and gets more intense and causes more
Speaker 1: like environmental disasters. People are going to move. That's just
Speaker 1: a nailed on fact of our our world, and borders
Speaker 1: are not People still move, So there is some like
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know when that reckoning is gonna come,
Speaker 1: but you know that's gonna be a huge part of
Speaker 1: how we adapt to the changing world is understanding that,
Speaker 1: like we we have to let go of these ideas
Speaker 1: of like, no, you're from there, you can only stay there,
Speaker 1: and you stay there until you die. And if you don't, like,
Speaker 1: don't even think about coming here, because we really have
Speaker 1: enough for us, stuff for us, and we're not even
Speaker 1: worried on trying to think of how we can make
Speaker 1: it all work. I mean, for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: the reckoning is already happening, like the you know, Human
Speaker 1: Rights Watch published a letter on Wednesday of last week
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, this policy of like heavily guarding
Speaker 1: the roots that people across the border that are hospitable,
Speaker 1: so that pushing people to extremely hot and unforgiving terrain,
Speaker 1: like they are killing people. They're straight up killing people.
Speaker 1: As the world gets hotter and hotter, heat waves are
Speaker 1: already the deadliest form of natural disaster in the US,
Speaker 1: and they're just pushing people into regions where like, in
Speaker 1: terms of how much it's changing, the number of days
Speaker 1: over a hundred degrees fahrenheit per year is expected to
Speaker 1: climb to sixty by mid century, up from the annual
Speaker 1: average of between two thousand. Like that's more than doubled
Speaker 1: in you know, fifty years because of climate change. It's
Speaker 1: going to really kill a lot of people. And but
Speaker 1: again it's like sort of this we're not doing anything,
Speaker 1: like they're they're the ones who are who were doing
Speaker 1: it type logic that conservatism by doing nothing, like just
Speaker 1: by by doing nothing, rather it allows the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: to just not get called out for doing cruel things,
Speaker 1: but you know, passively do the cruel policy that makes
Speaker 1: it easy for them to triangulate with conservatives. Yeah, I mean, so,
Speaker 1: there are so many thoughts regarding heat waves. One is
Speaker 1: that like, actually nobody knows that they are like the
Speaker 1: deadliest natural disasters. Like people don't think about them. They
Speaker 1: don't happen in a as a shocking of a way,
Speaker 1: as like a wildfire or or a storm. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's such a different kind of death. It is
Speaker 1: also an incredibly terrible death. It is really really brutal,
Speaker 1: Like if you like, look up an article that tells
Speaker 1: you exactly how people die from heat waves, it is
Speaker 1: not pretty. And on top of that, you have border
Speaker 1: patrol agents dumping water at the border, like when when
Speaker 1: these nonprofit organizations leave water for migrants along those routes,
Speaker 1: they dump the water out, And that that to me
Speaker 1: is really something that every time I think about that,
Speaker 1: it's just like I can't even imagine. I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine doing that as policy, right, because Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: way I think we have these departments set up, it's
Speaker 1: just to be like, Okay, who's who's willing to brutalize
Speaker 1: these people? There has nothing to do with compassion meeting
Speaker 1: these people with compassion. It's like these are invaders, So
Speaker 1: take away anything they have that would potentially give them
Speaker 1: safe passage, like you're saying, like cynically, just like cutting
Speaker 1: open water containers and just leaving it. So there's no
Speaker 1: there's nothing for a fucking human person who's wandering the
Speaker 1: earth to try and have a better outcome for themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just fundamentally, we have just such a barbaric system. And
Speaker 1: I think I think just in general and most countries
Speaker 1: just think of immigration as this like dirty thing or
Speaker 1: a bad thing, rather than acknowledging our place like a
Speaker 1: global community and understanding, like you know, at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Americans are under the assumption
Speaker 1: that America will be the best place to live forever,
Speaker 1: no matter what happens to the planet. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think not many people put themselves in a place
Speaker 1: with what if you were trying to cross the border
Speaker 1: and what does that look like? But I think exceptionalism
Speaker 1: has completely put happy out of people's minds, because that's
Speaker 1: the only way you could look at this and not
Speaker 1: have any compassion. Like I think me and someone who's
Speaker 1: so worried about what the future holds for this planet
Speaker 1: and future generations, it's all I can think of, like, well,
Speaker 1: that that could be you, that could be us, That
Speaker 1: could be I mean except maybe the super rich, right right,
Speaker 1: the super rich are going to be just fine. And
Speaker 1: it's other than that, it could be anyone. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: do you want your kids and grandkids to be treated
Speaker 1: when they're trying to cross the Canadian border? And like
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to get the funk out of America. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of people doing offensive things through inaction and just
Speaker 1: trying not to be offensive while doing the most offensive
Speaker 1: ship in the world, let's talk about Mike Pence. Apparently
Speaker 1: the rumors are getting louder and louder. Mike Pence thinks
Speaker 1: he has a shot at becoming president. I think he's
Speaker 1: always thought that. You just got strong vibes that he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna let sit back and let
Speaker 1: Trump just funk himself up, just let him explode, and
Speaker 1: we good. You know, he and the Cokes were you know,
Speaker 1: that was that was He's like the number one boy,
Speaker 1: the number one good boy for the Koch brothers, and
Speaker 1: I think that was their plan for a long time.
Speaker 1: And now they're like, all right, well, let's let's try
Speaker 1: and do it, you know, let's try and get this
Speaker 1: guy in this This is a weird situation for everybody involved.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, Trump and him the first
Speaker 1: of all. The more and more you read, it sounds
Speaker 1: that Pence had a harder time, like thinking of whether
Speaker 1: or not he should invoke the twenty fifth Amendment, over
Speaker 1: whether or not he should invalidate the election, which I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's he was more willing to invalidate
Speaker 1: the election exactly because it's so thirsty for power. Like
Speaker 1: he just did. He just stood I like, you know,
Speaker 1: we saw we saw him throughout the presidency. He was
Speaker 1: like the man in the room who pretended he wasn't
Speaker 1: in the room the whole time, close to walk out
Speaker 1: with his like integrity intact, which wasn't gonna happen. But
Speaker 1: him and Trump have been in like really like bad terms,
Speaker 1: you know, ever since the sixth and him like, you know,
Speaker 1: not invalidating the election for him. Uh. And they say
Speaker 1: that like that. They're one of in the new Bob
Speaker 1: Woodward book that's coming out apparently that Trump told him
Speaker 1: like essentially said I don't want to be your friend anymore. Um,
Speaker 1: like as the administration was winding down, and you know,
Speaker 1: they sin the last time they spoke was maybe April
Speaker 1: after Penn. That's some kind of like heart procedure. And
Speaker 1: I'm you know, Trump, he absolutely if he hates you,
Speaker 1: he's going to come for you. I mean did it
Speaker 1: to Jeff Sessions. He does it to all kinds of people.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's going to be promoting Pence as
Speaker 1: Pence campaigns, like Pence doesn't get to capitalize off of
Speaker 1: any of them. And correct me if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 1: my impression is that Trump supporters, many of them, do
Speaker 1: not actually like Pence. No not. I I got the
Speaker 1: sense from them chanting that they wanted to hang him
Speaker 1: when when they stormed the capital that may maybe they
Speaker 1: weren't the biggest fan. Yeah, he's just trying to do
Speaker 1: this thing where you know, he's like missing all these
Speaker 1: like just sort of basic facts, right that if you're
Speaker 1: your appeal with the magabases fractured, like yeah, there are
Speaker 1: conservatives who do like you, like because you're a Republican
Speaker 1: and you're part of the administration, then you have like
Speaker 1: the agazombie click that is like you're trying to go
Speaker 1: against the leader and will not forgive him. But so
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not sure what his appeal, what he
Speaker 1: thinks his appeal is with the base, aside from like
Speaker 1: trying to be you know, because he's not like the
Speaker 1: total piece of ship conservative politician, which is like getting
Speaker 1: really popular like you're you know, Marjorie Taylor Greens and
Speaker 1: like Lauren Bobert types. That's not him. He's like the
Speaker 1: very upstanding, big Christian energy guy who tries to act
Speaker 1: like he is, like, you know, the most moral figure
Speaker 1: in American history, but right, he still tries tries to
Speaker 1: like appear respectable and and seems to care about that,
Speaker 1: although like I don't know, that thing about him not
Speaker 1: being able to be in a room with a woman
Speaker 1: alone is just like really, yeah, it's still like really,
Speaker 1: I think about it every time I hear his name,
Speaker 1: Like that's troubling. That's troubling for anyone, let alone the
Speaker 1: vice president of the United States of America. Like if
Speaker 1: I or that somebody I knew had that policy, or
Speaker 1: like somebody that I knew, it's like a friend of
Speaker 1: a friend had that policy, I'd be like concerned about
Speaker 1: the world, let alone like somebody who is wielding that
Speaker 1: much power, Right, I'm like, are you a monster? Is
Speaker 1: that to do? Like is that the subtext of that?
Speaker 1: Because I know you're trying to act like it's not proper,
Speaker 1: but that just raises so many more questions or what
Speaker 1: you believed um of dynamic between a man and a
Speaker 1: woman should be because it's so aggressively gender normative. Just
Speaker 1: like this, what does I don't even know where this
Speaker 1: guy is coming from. So we'll see what I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see what he tries to campaign on. What Most
Speaker 1: people who are in orbit of Trump like they've been
Speaker 1: waiting to see what Trump does, you know, like Nicki
Speaker 1: Haley and those types. But he's got an office in
Speaker 1: d C. He's hiring staffers, he's already got a fundraiser going,
Speaker 1: like it looks like this thing's gonna kick off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think he's very popular with like the
Speaker 1: Cokes and other wealthy benefactors, like that was his main thing.
Speaker 1: It was kind of appeasing them, soothing the people who
Speaker 1: donated to Trump and what like the very wealthy, the
Speaker 1: one percent, Like he was sort of the Trump administration's
Speaker 1: mouthpiece to that group. And so he's always got that
Speaker 1: going for him. I feel I feel like he looks
Speaker 1: at himself in the mirror and he's like, you look
Speaker 1: like a fucking president because he's got that like head
Speaker 1: of white hair, you know, and like he looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got that would be cast to play
Speaker 1: a president on TV if he wasn't like a wooden
Speaker 1: you know, weirdo. But I do. I think this is
Speaker 1: going to get more uh, coverage than it should. Like,
Speaker 1: my guess is he's going to get a lot of
Speaker 1: coverage because most of the mainstream media, like our Democrats
Speaker 1: would think like Democrats and like are like, well, this
Speaker 1: is the safe play. This is you know, like the
Speaker 1: this is what the Republican Party would do if they
Speaker 1: thought like Democrats. Basically is you know, go for the
Speaker 1: safe person who's going to make the right statements, you know,
Speaker 1: any the sentiment in the base completely, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: ignored the sentiment in the base completely, and then my
Speaker 1: my assumption is he's going to faith once public polling
Speaker 1: gets involved and they're like, oh he has he has
Speaker 1: like no support, Trump's just gonna come out swinging. I
Speaker 1: mean that would be fun. And then that's going to
Speaker 1: be an entire messy situation. But I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's we shall wait and see who thinks they can
Speaker 1: do it. I guess the one thing to to kind
Speaker 1: of keep an eye out for us for when, specifically
Speaker 1: when Trump and Pence could go head to head, because
Speaker 1: then Trump is going to have to explain why Pence
Speaker 1: isn't his his VP pick and pencil have to explain
Speaker 1: why he isn't Trump's VP. Pick and you know that'll
Speaker 1: be yeah, Like he was a total he was a
Speaker 1: total monster to work with folks being the vice presidents
Speaker 1: of the worst times of my life. Then I knew
Speaker 1: I could do it better. And you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I could definitely see Yeah. I mean he must know
Speaker 1: some of the secrets right of the of the administration.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he has to keep Trump
Speaker 1: supporters on who would consider voting for him on his side, right,
Speaker 1: so he won't be able to ship talk Trump that much.
Speaker 1: Trump will be able to do whatever he wants, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess what do you think he does? He like
Speaker 1: hits himself and a debate to be like whoa, guys,
Speaker 1: whoa that was crazy? Right? How I can't stop hitting myself.
Speaker 1: Trump's right a little bit. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: disagree with him without being in direct opposition to him.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be tough. Mhmm. Yeah, that will
Speaker 1: be interesting. It'll be interesting to see Donald Trump, who
Speaker 1: can do whatever he wants. I wonder, I wonder what
Speaker 1: that'll look like. Yeah, he's gonna figure out he's sitting
Speaker 1: on all that cash, so we'll see what he does
Speaker 1: with it. It seems like he's just paying his bills
Speaker 1: at the moment. Probably keep it would be my guess.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back, and some news on college students.
Speaker 1: They are drinking less, smoking more weed. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: this seems kind of natural to me, just based on
Speaker 1: the fact that the quality of weed has gone way
Speaker 1: up and alcohol has always been very like very bad
Speaker 1: for you. Why like is it like I just feel
Speaker 1: like the more you know, yeah, like if I mean,
Speaker 1: is the same legal status is alcohol? Why the funk
Speaker 1: would you ever drink alcohol? I think there's you know,
Speaker 1: a few they right now. They said it's like a
Speaker 1: six percent increase from like a few years ago when
Speaker 1: it comes to like the number of college students who
Speaker 1: are using cannabis. And they also found that like alcohol
Speaker 1: dipped alcohol US dipped from sixty two percent to fifty
Speaker 1: six percent. And like for people of them like who
Speaker 1: are like being drunk like in the last month, that
Speaker 1: one from eight percent from thirty five percent, And binge
Speaker 1: drinking fell of like pretty pretty like heavily. Uh. They said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, binge drinking has gone from thirty two to
Speaker 1: two percent, which is the lowest in like this studies history.
Speaker 1: And but like over the course of even the show,
Speaker 1: we've we've checked in on this poll before, and it
Speaker 1: had always shown that binge drinking was going down and lower,
Speaker 1: and I think that's just always just been the case,
Speaker 1: I think. But but I think the reason it got
Speaker 1: to these historic loads is because twenty just was a
Speaker 1: complete utter lack of of like social social events where
Speaker 1: it seems like that's where college students probably that's their
Speaker 1: preferred venue for alcohol consumption versus the pandemic, which is like,
Speaker 1: how do I make my dorm room interesting for fucking
Speaker 1: twelve hours. Yeah, I'll take some like psychedelics and take
Speaker 1: some edibles and watch ted Lasso and I Got a
Speaker 1: Day Baby. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, it
Speaker 1: will be really interesting to see if this dip like
Speaker 1: continues post pandemic. But like just as a as a
Speaker 1: like individual, like let's just take this for what it is, Like,
Speaker 1: this is like definitely super good news, and that is
Speaker 1: that's very cool, Like it's nice to see because like
Speaker 1: you know, alcohol is just straight up poison and we
Speaker 1: is not in the same way. So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Yeah. This this uh, it's like this
Speaker 1: whole Washington Post article, Like the first like third was
Speaker 1: just this information and then the rest is like debating
Speaker 1: the differences between like weed and like how bad can be.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what's this? Are you this?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna bring up all these scary studies And
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know though, but for young people, man,
Speaker 1: it can really And I'm like, yeah, there are some
Speaker 1: studies where like certain developmental things can be stunted to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, but not to the point when you're like,
Speaker 1: what is alcohol, like, you know, truly like the effects
Speaker 1: of alcohol and people can are just horrendous. It's really terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's also like weed studies are so complicated
Speaker 1: to site to like I think I think that's changing.
Speaker 1: But for really really long time, scientists weren't even allowed
Speaker 1: to to study weed unless it came from like one
Speaker 1: specific farm slash lab in the US that was allowed
Speaker 1: to grow it, and the strains and what they were
Speaker 1: growing was not at all representative of what was out
Speaker 1: in the wild in the public um, and so like
Speaker 1: that that like not allowing scientists to properly study weed
Speaker 1: means that like up until very recently and a lot
Speaker 1: of studies were just like, it's just it's it's really
Speaker 1: really hard to take anything from those studies unfortunately, and
Speaker 1: they the I was just gonna say, it looks like
Speaker 1: the byeline on this Washington Post OpEd is Pete cores.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that has something to do this Bush Augustus. Okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's definitely like, you know, times are changing,
Speaker 1: and obviously the pandemics just like changed all of people's habits,
Speaker 1: but they've also seen like psychedelics. Use of psychedelics has
Speaker 1: gone up by four percent too, and I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of like the I feel like that's sort of
Speaker 1: the newer trend in recreate people using drugs recreationally is psychedelics,
Speaker 1: because it's like that's another thing where we've been prevented
Speaker 1: from really doing in depth research into psychedelics, and the
Speaker 1: stuff that we are only beginning to hear about is
Speaker 1: still it seems very compelling. People see like uses and
Speaker 1: just outside of a trip like that, it's it can
Speaker 1: be spiritually healing that you can and you don't heal
Speaker 1: from certain traumas and things like that, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I feel like I always see like
Speaker 1: on TikTok or like a lot of gen Z people
Speaker 1: like doing like trippy psychedelic videos and being like things
Speaker 1: like we don't realize about psychedelics and why, I like
Speaker 1: the government has kept us from like thinking these things.
Speaker 1: So there's definitely this utility I think to psychedelics now
Speaker 1: that people are like sort of connecting to. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the trend is going down. I should acknowledge that
Speaker 1: there is a difference between like the effects of alcohol
Speaker 1: and weed. And I definitely chose alcohol in a in
Speaker 1: a big way in my life and the effects are bad.
Speaker 1: But I shouldn't be like, why would you ever choose drinking,
Speaker 1: because I certainly did for a long time. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think drinking is going away for
Speaker 1: what it's worth. I don't think it's like gonna go away.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I think that people thinking about it a
Speaker 1: little bit more is a good idea. Yeah, I agree, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about COVID safe COVID preventative measures.
Speaker 1: There were the Emmys two nights ago when Seth Rogan
Speaker 1: just got up and like people were laughing and it
Speaker 1: had the cadence of a stand up routine. But he
Speaker 1: was just like, they lied to us and said this
Speaker 1: was gonna be outside. It's not outside. No one's wearing masks.
Speaker 1: Why I feel unsafe? I wouldn't have come if I
Speaker 1: knew this, Like literally all he said, Like I played
Speaker 1: the clip because he's truly like the Canadian in a
Speaker 1: room full of Americans. He's like the funk are you
Speaker 1: guys doing it here? Like uh so, let's just hear
Speaker 1: seth room. But yeah, it's funny because his disbelief does
Speaker 1: sound like a bit clearly not anyway. Good to be
Speaker 1: here at the Emmy Awards. Let me start by saying,
Speaker 1: there is way too many of us in this little room.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? They said this was outdoors, it's not.
Speaker 1: They lied to We're in a hermetically sealed ten right now.
Speaker 1: I would not have come to this. Why is there
Speaker 1: a roof? It's that we have three chandeliers and that
Speaker 1: we make sure we don't kill Eugene Levy tonight out
Speaker 1: for a fellow Canadian. But you know, I love that
Speaker 1: he talks about Eugene Levy. I had not seen that clip.
Speaker 1: That's a good clip. Yeah, he's really. It really does
Speaker 1: feel like like if I were at a party and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, it's gonna be all safe as all outdoors,
Speaker 1: vaccinated guests only, and you're like, yo, like someone's fucking
Speaker 1: two car garage and there's spreading of us in here.
Speaker 1: What are we doing? If you're like, oh, he's so
Speaker 1: funny man by observing shit, but seriously, they said this
Speaker 1: is going to be outside, that's actually not a stand
Speaker 1: up routine. He's just talking, right, It's a dystopian nightmare
Speaker 1: where you're like just talking making observations of things that
Speaker 1: are happening, and people like Twilight look at him. He said,
Speaker 1: why are we here? They lied to us. We're in
Speaker 1: a frematically sealed tent. Yeah, yeah, great. He looks great.
Speaker 1: He's like kind of aging into Steve Martin a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's got like a Steve martin ish vibe about him. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He's like, yeah, it's like clean cut,
Speaker 1: he's got gray hair, he's got classes, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: have like an arrow going through his head or like
Speaker 1: like like a fiddle. What was it? No, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: ain't banjoin. He's he's throwing. He's throwing that clay, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, doing the pottery. Yeah, I like that. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of um, you know, COVID logic, that is difficult
Speaker 1: to differentiate from comedy. There's I don't know, like what
Speaker 1: what was the outlet that published part baby. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean basically the background or the foundation of this
Speaker 1: is that Fox News, you know, poles are saying Americans
Speaker 1: are worried about the pandemic. They embrace vaccines and masks
Speaker 1: and are even okay with mandates. Uh you know, I
Speaker 1: mean the mandates are a little less popular, but that's
Speaker 1: arriving to the point of a fifty percent plus one
Speaker 1: yea fifty yeah and so and even some conservatives are like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we're definitely on the wrong side of this. How did
Speaker 1: we get here? And this gentleman has has an idea
Speaker 1: that I am kind of impressed with the kind of
Speaker 1: logical leaps that that they've taken here. But basically their
Speaker 1: explanation is that the rest of the world has reverse
Speaker 1: psycho apologied them into being against vaccines. Because this is
Speaker 1: a because Howard Stern was like, you know, mocking people
Speaker 1: who had passed away from who are like COVID deniers,
Speaker 1: Like really prominent COVID deniers who eventually succumbed to the
Speaker 1: to the virus. And he starts off saying, quote, this
Speaker 1: is all from the op ed. This is not this
Speaker 1: is not fine. Do you want to know why I
Speaker 1: think Howard Stern is going full monster with his mockery
Speaker 1: of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus
Speaker 1: Because the leftist like Stern and CNN l O l
Speaker 1: and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are
Speaker 1: deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Nothing else makes sense to me. In a country where
Speaker 1: elections are decided on razor thin margins, it does it
Speaker 1: not benefit one side if their opponents simply dropped dead.
Speaker 1: If I wanted to use their verse psychology to convince
Speaker 1: people not to get a life staving vaccination, I would
Speaker 1: do exactly what Stern and the left are doing. I
Speaker 1: would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for
Speaker 1: not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, hey,
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm never getting vaccinated. No one wants to
Speaker 1: cave to a piece of ship like that, or a
Speaker 1: scumbag like Fauci or any of the scumbags at CNN,
Speaker 1: L O L. So we don't and what's the result.
Speaker 1: They're all vaccinated and we're not. And when you look
Speaker 1: at the numbers, it's only it's only numbers that matter,
Speaker 1: which is who's dying. It's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are dying.
Speaker 1: And they have just manipulated millions of their political enemies
Speaker 1: into the unvaccinated camp. According to CDC, again he talks
Speaker 1: about who's dying of China flup um when he goes
Speaker 1: on and say could it be could it possibly be
Speaker 1: the leftist manipulated huge swaths of Trump's voters into believing
Speaker 1: they are owning the left by not taking life saving
Speaker 1: the life saving Trump vaccine. I am strongly pro vaccine,
Speaker 1: and now believe that Biden, the media, Hollywood, and the
Speaker 1: left in general or deliberately being as nasty as possible
Speaker 1: as a way to use reverse psychology against Trump supporters.
Speaker 1: They know that the ugly or they get, the more
Speaker 1: unvaccinated Trump supporters will dig in and refuse to get vaccinated. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's the plan. They're vaccinated, we're not. The unvaccinated,
Speaker 1: almost exclusively ones she's dying, who's winning the debate, who's
Speaker 1: owning who? I that was exhausting, Miles, But it's my
Speaker 1: My eyebrows are permanently stuck in this quizzical what are
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I put on my eyebrows too high this morning.
Speaker 1: It's like this whole fucking idea that again, it's never
Speaker 1: personal responsibility in this case, apparently because we've been manipularly
Speaker 1: been We've been gamed like a parent would a three
Speaker 1: year old because that's our intellect. Okay, they knew that
Speaker 1: that we're easily manipul I don't know what they're trying
Speaker 1: to say, but these people have not being It's like
Speaker 1: it's very condescending towards people who have not been vaccinated,
Speaker 1: like very like thinking that that is what they're thought
Speaker 1: processes is extremely like infantilizing and condescending. And on the
Speaker 1: other hand, all I see is like health officials desperately
Speaker 1: imploring people who are unvaccinated to actually get the vaccine.
Speaker 1: Like this whole thing is wild. This is yeah, because
Speaker 1: like that scumbag fascion that's the best is just like
Speaker 1: fasci is just from the start, but like please get
Speaker 1: back today, like dude, just just where we're just asking
Speaker 1: you it's safe. Please please please look at this asshole. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, what what? This is the thing that
Speaker 1: don't realize this is why they're their logic loop has
Speaker 1: now began to eat its own asshole now because they
Speaker 1: don't understand the origins of this. It's not they have
Speaker 1: not been owned or manipulated by the left. You have
Speaker 1: been owned by the unscrupulous monsters that have weaponized your
Speaker 1: partisanship against you to stay in power. Because the ideology
Speaker 1: for the conservatives is basically don't agree with rules. Ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how the fuck are you being manipulated by them?
Speaker 1: If your marching orders are to just to stand antithetically
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed to whatever they're saying, that's that's that's of
Speaker 1: your own creation. That's how the discourse has operated on
Speaker 1: that side for the last you know, however many decades.
Speaker 1: It's not about Okay, yeah, we can't agree on this thing.
Speaker 1: It's just full stop what they say. No, I'm against it.
Speaker 1: They're manipulating me into not getting a vaccine. It's I'm
Speaker 1: but again, you know, like I don't know if the
Speaker 1: tone of this is to also try and be like,
Speaker 1: so we have to take things back, you know, conservatives
Speaker 1: and get vaccinated, because clearly he is trying to draw
Speaker 1: a line of like this is part of the health
Speaker 1: of the party that's on the line, and yes, maybe
Speaker 1: we've been owned, but are you so are you urging
Speaker 1: them to get vaccinated? What's this also feels like because
Speaker 1: so much of the right is like fueled by really
Speaker 1: wealthy people just funding like think tanks, this also feels
Speaker 1: like it could be a strategy thought up by a
Speaker 1: conservative think tank to like try to get Breitbart readers
Speaker 1: and like the conservative movement on board. They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so if we say the liberals don't want them to
Speaker 1: do the vaccine, then maybe they do vaccine. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is actually reverse psychology for conservatives where they're like trying
Speaker 1: to convince conservatives and people who are unvaccinated to get
Speaker 1: vaccinated by saying like they're getting like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: well this is the thing that you say, this ends
Speaker 1: right with sort of this whole thing of like being like,
Speaker 1: you know, the number is startling when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the percentage of people who are dying that are unvaccinated,
Speaker 1: and I open or thinking in this un quoting quote.
Speaker 1: Forget cases, forget mandates, forget masks and Howard Stern. When
Speaker 1: you learn that almost everyone dying is unvaccinated, that's to
Speaker 1: come to Jesus moment. I could be wrong, Maybe the
Speaker 1: Left isn't that evil and sly, But when I think
Speaker 1: the unvaccinated lying they're dying, being told by their doctors, sorry,
Speaker 1: there's nothing more we can do to get enough oxygen
Speaker 1: to your lungs, I don't laugh. My heartbreaks for that person.
Speaker 1: Imagine lying there, dying, thinking that all you had to
Speaker 1: do was get the Trump vaccine. Rebrand. Even if this
Speaker 1: isn't the left plan, who's owning who? So? I think
Speaker 1: this is trying to use the the verbiage of ownage
Speaker 1: right to get to speak to the conservatives be like, no,
Speaker 1: we're getting owned the piece of writing. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a fascinating piece of writing. Like I feel like you
Speaker 1: need to dissect it in so many different ways, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the rebranding it calling the Trump vaccine saying like, look
Speaker 1: like people who vote like us are dying, so you
Speaker 1: should get the vaccine. That's kind of smart, you. I
Speaker 1: just want these people to get vaccinated, so whatever it takes, honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, that's it's like fine if if it's like,
Speaker 1: well it should we just on this podcast admit to
Speaker 1: this having been our strategy all along, as we were
Speaker 1: trying to antagonize them into not getting the vaccine so
Speaker 1: that we so we can blow up on info Worth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so first of all, okay, here we go, uh here,
Speaker 1: here's a clean edit point. And we were in fact
Speaker 1: hoping that you wouldn't get vaccinated. Now that our playbook
Speaker 1: has been exposed, though, I guess you should read this
Speaker 1: bright part article and who's owning who? I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself that question. Just go get fucking vaccinated?
Speaker 1: Thanks Who's But I think they're I'm clearly like they
Speaker 1: that the tone seems to suggest that at the upper
Speaker 1: echelons of the sort of conservative media apparatus, that this
Speaker 1: is a problem that they that that they know, and
Speaker 1: they're like fun, fuck dude, like like they believe everything,
Speaker 1: and now we're trying to convince them to not like
Speaker 1: to avoid preventable death because they've took it as a
Speaker 1: culture war battle. It's yeah, it's truly mind boggling how
Speaker 1: like Tucker Carlson like gets through a night and like
Speaker 1: sleeps because it's yeah, these things are just so plainly
Speaker 1: evident that he's killing people, He's killing his own viewers.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's that's pretty wild. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: what's funny is like the day before he wrote some
Speaker 1: like article that said anti vactors hype but not anti
Speaker 1: antivactor's hype benign transmission numbers as proof vax doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So the day before you spent your time just throwing
Speaker 1: more garbage out there into the world. Then the next
Speaker 1: day you're like, well, who's owning who? You're like, I
Speaker 1: think you are, sir. The clicks, you're owning them for clicks,
Speaker 1: just the casual reference to foul cheap, being a scum vegs.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I guess. I mean, if that's what, what
Speaker 1: did he do? Because by the end of it, you're like,
Speaker 1: we need to get vaccinated. So then you were wrong
Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, but he was such a scubag about it.
Speaker 1: He was he didn't want us to You could tell
Speaker 1: when he was. He was begging us. This hugely earnest
Speaker 1: human being who has never said anything like that doesn't
Speaker 1: appear to be capable of insincerity. Uh, he you could
Speaker 1: tell he was being insince here when he told us
Speaker 1: we should get the vaccine. Yeah, exactly, And it's that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's once again just America bending over backwards
Speaker 1: to have the lowest standards possible for conservative people that
Speaker 1: like somehow we have to make it not their fault.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there there are the children we have to
Speaker 1: bring with us, drag them along forward into the future. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: what other wait, hold on, what other reverse psychology schemes
Speaker 1: can we get them to do? Oh? Ship, that's a
Speaker 1: great point. And you know, you know, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what's really cool or fucking closed borders where no one
Speaker 1: can get get in or out. You hear that, keep
Speaker 1: everybody where they are. And then you're like, no, man,
Speaker 1: we need our freedom of movement. Man, because we need
Speaker 1: that kind of agency as human beings. We have to
Speaker 1: expend that to others across the cloak. You're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: it's working. It was that easy. Well, Ari l it's
Speaker 1: been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? Uh? So
Speaker 1: they can find me on Twitter, I guess sometimes at
Speaker 1: a d r S. I probably post more on Instagram
Speaker 1: at a d r s and listen to the podcast,
Speaker 1: listen to Vice News reports also having new podcasts coming out,
Speaker 1: you know, and of October beginning of November. I can't
Speaker 1: talk about it just yet, but you don't keep an
Speaker 1: eye out for that, Okay, do you can? What is
Speaker 1: it is it? Can you give us a genre anything? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be like long form now, arrative science, human drama.
Speaker 1: Yeah like that. And is there is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: So the tweet that I picked out is one by
Speaker 1: Paul Ford. I just really appreciated this, this idea, so
Speaker 1: he tweeted. My favorite part in learning anything new is
Speaker 1: learning the reasons why everyone in the discipline hates each other.
Speaker 1: And that just feels so right, Like coming back to
Speaker 1: the whole cycling thing, you know, electric cyclists versus like
Speaker 1: wearing cyclists versus you know, city bikers versus delivery people
Speaker 1: like that, those like turf wars are just so intense
Speaker 1: and I was kind of unaware of any of it,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm learning a lot right now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard out there people talking ship when I'm
Speaker 1: on my bike. That's only happened twice, but it's like
Speaker 1: people like nice bike. Like one guy was like on
Speaker 1: a mountain bike. I was like, dude, fuck you fucking bitter.
Speaker 1: Like also, bro, I can't hear you because my drumming
Speaker 1: bass is too loud. But it's so true though. The
Speaker 1: minute you learn about you, you enter a new world.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, like these people hate each other and
Speaker 1: they love the same things, but they hate each other
Speaker 1: right right, right exactly. Yeah, that's any whenever people congregate
Speaker 1: around a thing there we always split off in our
Speaker 1: little groups. Yep, miles, where can people find you? What's
Speaker 1: a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram at Miles of Gray,
Speaker 1: g r A y uh and the other show for
Speaker 1: twenty day Fiance with Sophia Alexandro where we talk about
Speaker 1: ninety day fiance, you know, the real where the real
Speaker 1: ship's going down sometimes to give us a much need
Speaker 1: to break from the world. A tweet that I like,
Speaker 1: I like a couple first one is from Brody Gupta
Speaker 1: at Brody Gupta. You know when Mikayla Cole got her
Speaker 1: aunt Emmy the other night, she was saying, like, writer's right,
Speaker 1: what scares you? Was like, her like one of like
Speaker 1: the poignant lines from her acceptance speech, among many other things.
Speaker 1: But so Brody grouped a quote tweeted that of the
Speaker 1: writer's right, what scares you? And Brody tweeted opening a
Speaker 1: document to simply write the words raccoon hands. Very specific,
Speaker 1: but I might be a little not what that was
Speaker 1: being meant. But I love it because I agree that's
Speaker 1: I always want to look at him and be like,
Speaker 1: we got fingernails or those cloths? Um. Another one is
Speaker 1: from Laura Peak at Laura Peak. Underscore tweeted, I'm extremely
Speaker 1: conflict avoided, which is fine, totally don't even worry about it.
Speaker 1: I'm good either way. That is so close to my heart. Uh.
Speaker 1: Tweet I've been enjoying was from Golden Phantom tweeted the
Speaker 1: trolley Opportunity in reference to the trolley problem. I thought experiment,
Speaker 1: which I think is basically sums up capitalism and how
Speaker 1: how business does work. Damn. I like that here, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate it, but I like. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien. You can find us
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Speaker 1: our foot nowhere, where we link off to the information
Speaker 1: that we talked about in today's episode, as well as
Speaker 1: the song that we think you might enjoy, Mylesooth song.
Speaker 1: Are we telling people to go check? You know? I
Speaker 1: mentioned it already when I was talking about blasting some
Speaker 1: drumming bass when I'm on my bike. So you know what, y'all,
Speaker 1: put some d n B in your ears. Uh and
Speaker 1: no d n n uh not m uh n B
Speaker 1: into your ears and let's go. Let's go out on
Speaker 1: Boom by Andy C. You know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: just peddling. I all I do is listen to drum
Speaker 1: bassing for my bike. So I want y'all to get
Speaker 1: let feel that wind in your face and just check
Speaker 1: this one out by Andy C. Boom. You're gonna love it. Uh,
Speaker 1: or you know, fired up in your and your exercise
Speaker 1: bike however you like to get down in whatever pedal
Speaker 1: fashion you do. Yeah, yeah, keep one ear open though,
Speaker 1: or or use those weird job on Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: put it, do it? Don't don't ever fucking put ball
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