Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh six,
Speaker 1: Episode one of General Guys production of My Heart Radio.
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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an
Speaker 1: award winning staff writer for Slate whose work focuses on
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Speaker 1: Or is that? There is no correct way to say it?
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Speaker 1: I don't need a back or the fact that you
Speaker 1: have to evoke Matt Damon as part of your self
Speaker 1: identifying process, like Matt Damon. But I did sucking up
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Speaker 1: gonna be like, hey man, it's my but like who's
Speaker 1: gonna sing it like that? You just got to be like, amen,
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Speaker 1: That's the only thing right. The guitar Center tried to
Speaker 1: pull that joke with me, and I almost you know what,
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Speaker 1: the red strings. So where's what's what's good with you?
Speaker 1: Where are you at? Where are you? You're you looks
Speaker 1: like you're traveling, you know. Yeah, I'm out in the
Speaker 1: lamb dude, I'm secretly. I'm secretly doing my work from
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. Don't tell my editors. No when you when
Speaker 1: you when you find this out, don't snitch tag anybody
Speaker 1: at Slate because nobody knows. And I was we were
Speaker 1: we were just talking about one of the articles I
Speaker 1: forget who wrote it over at Slate about the tall
Speaker 1: Zoom energy, and I was curious, have you have you
Speaker 1: is that something you've noticed too, Like have you met
Speaker 1: new coworkers and people think you were taller or less taller?
Speaker 1: What's your vibe? I haven't haven't been back to an
Speaker 1: office since then. I'm trying to hold out for as
Speaker 1: long as possible. See, I was never a fan of
Speaker 1: like office culture. I know some people have started going
Speaker 1: back already. I'm fine with just the messages and the emails.
Speaker 1: I don't need to see you, you know, so I
Speaker 1: like leaving it, leaning into the mystery and just it's
Speaker 1: like a shorter shorter is height. I don't need to
Speaker 1: know how tall you right right, For all I know,
Speaker 1: you could be six ft spy ft. I just don't
Speaker 1: want to go back to the office. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was always commuting from New Jersey and too New York,
Speaker 1: and so our subway is different than you guys the subway.
Speaker 1: You know, we have the real freaks of the subway
Speaker 1: on our subway. So I'm like, I don't know, people
Speaker 1: actually want to start conversations with you where I things.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's easy for you to say you have
Speaker 1: tall zoom energy. I mean, look at you. You're is overpowering.
Speaker 1: So it's easy for you. But you know, for some
Speaker 1: of the secret is to not stack your laptop and
Speaker 1: keep it as low as possible. Get like that MySpace angle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just so yeah, it's always from that perspective you want
Speaker 1: to yah, right right, Well that's good. How how is
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico? What's what's good in Puerto Rico? I mean,
Speaker 1: I would recommend the shrimp and panadas. I was really
Speaker 1: really into tost is. You know, I've tried them fungo,
Speaker 1: but honestly, it's not better than it is in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta you gotta come with the
Speaker 1: expectation that you're just going to like a tropical Bronx.
Speaker 1: That's how you really get to enjoy Puerto Rico. Otherwise
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be setting yourself up for sort of
Speaker 1: like an American Florida fusion. It's it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: you've left the country in a weird way, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, like everything is just delicious, and they
Speaker 1: have those those Coca colas here with the real sugar.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys do a lot of traveling,
Speaker 1: but like the Coca colas where we are calling Mexican
Speaker 1: coke out here, because it's typically those are the ones
Speaker 1: that they import, like in the glass bottle from Mexico,
Speaker 1: because anything that's bottled in that up here is all
Speaker 1: corn syrup for that as no, no, no, I'm I
Speaker 1: can't handle that, honestly, it gets my throat off, like
Speaker 1: weirdly lubricated. The sprite with sugar, whoa. I will obey
Speaker 1: my thirst every fucking time if they're sugar anything. I'm
Speaker 1: always impressed by sprite anytime. I like, I almost never
Speaker 1: drank it, but what I do, I'm always like, damn, oh,
Speaker 1: this is fucking good. I'm getting with gas over here
Speaker 1: with this Lemon Limons's linemen linen. It wasn't that the
Speaker 1: thing they called it? Yeah, yeah, alright, Well, we are
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in just a moment. First, a couple of stories we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We're gonna talk about like the numb bers
Speaker 1: coming back on we we've all seen the viral videos
Speaker 1: of people like walking out and be like I refuse
Speaker 1: to be vaccinated, and you know, the numbers tell a
Speaker 1: different story about how willing people are to lose their
Speaker 1: job in order to not get vaccinated. We're gonna catch
Speaker 1: up with Matthew McConaughey. Alright, alright, alright. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I just started talking like Bill Clinton, but I
Speaker 1: think it was yesterday when Brian was like too many people,
Speaker 1: too many leaders with vocal fry. Yeah, that's right. Then
Speaker 1: it's Bill Clinton, it's Matthew McConney. There it does. That's
Speaker 1: your vocal warm up. Also I noticed. But anyways, he spoke,
Speaker 1: we get to we get to hear what what he's
Speaker 1: all about. We're gonna talk about whether this is the
Speaker 1: beginning of the new Trump run for presidency. He had
Speaker 1: a event in Iowa, a rally in Iowa over the weekend,
Speaker 1: um and people are speculating this might be this might
Speaker 1: be the start of him kind of getting on the
Speaker 1: campaign trail. Thank god, Yes, We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory that Joe Biden has a fake White
Speaker 1: House and it's being called like the Truman Show Presidency,
Speaker 1: which is confusing. We'll explain it to you. We'll we'll
Speaker 1: talk about how Justin Bieber was fooled by Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: deep fake uh, and that sixty minutes story from over
Speaker 1: the Weekend to ballot deep fakes, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first Amon, we like to ask our guests, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history one of the other
Speaker 1: recent things that shouldn't be in my search history, but
Speaker 1: it is. But it's just Sean Hannity throwing a football.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've I've seen a lot of articles
Speaker 1: written about him saying that he sucks at throwing a
Speaker 1: football and he like doesn't have any follow through. I
Speaker 1: needed to see for myself, and honestly, I think it's
Speaker 1: fake news. Man. I think he's pretty good. And so
Speaker 1: there are videos of him just launching that thing. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like part of his stick. He like wants to
Speaker 1: people to think that he's not some like rich elitist,
Speaker 1: which he is, and he wants to like this Americana vibe.
Speaker 1: So at the beginning or end of every segment. He
Speaker 1: like have a nerf ball that he'll just launch at
Speaker 1: some poor interns head. And um, honestly he's throwing some spirals, man,
Speaker 1: really sometimes spirals, some pretty tight spirals. I mean, you
Speaker 1: throw it better than me, and I played football in
Speaker 1: high school. I play tight end. Okay, damn. He has
Speaker 1: a weird motion, so you just be like six eight.
Speaker 1: I'm like at least seven, yeah, based on your energy,
Speaker 1: based on he does have like a weird motion. But
Speaker 1: it does seem like, I don't know, it's not an embarrassment.
Speaker 1: It's certainly like I'm sure he doesn't mind people googling
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity throwing a football expecting to see Connor McGregor
Speaker 1: throwing out a first pitch and then you know, it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's just fine, but it's not gonna it's not gonna
Speaker 1: deliver on the on on our expectations if we're expecting
Speaker 1: to see just a joke, you know, in honor of
Speaker 1: do your own research Day, I think people listening should
Speaker 1: just go and see it for yourselves. You know, it's
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's like in slow motion, so you could
Speaker 1: really look at it frame by frame and observe the technique.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that bad, but you know people
Speaker 1: might disagree. Well, I mean because also what his other
Speaker 1: thing to be like a macho every man is his
Speaker 1: m m a share right, like where he like fights
Speaker 1: in an apartment. Like I've seen that footage where he's
Speaker 1: like training, but it's like not at a gym, and
Speaker 1: it looks like a day's in like business, Like what
Speaker 1: is this place you're ting and Sean? But hey, man,
Speaker 1: when you're vaping and crushing ship is he? Is he
Speaker 1: a vapor? Oh? Yeah, he's a vapor? Yeah, popping every day?
Speaker 1: Oh man? What is something you think is overrated? I
Speaker 1: thought long hard about this because I listened to the show,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell is overrated? It's got
Speaker 1: to be Hunter Biden's art. I don't know why he
Speaker 1: sold five pieces for like what was it? No, he
Speaker 1: just sold all five that he put on almost instantly.
Speaker 1: And The New York Post is writing raving reviews for
Speaker 1: some reason, which is totally confusing because they've been calling
Speaker 1: him a crackhead for like the last year. Now they're saying, actually,
Speaker 1: he does pretty good art if you check it out
Speaker 1: and actually look I feel like this kid, he just
Speaker 1: like ripped off somebody off the Dvan art. He's not
Speaker 1: He's just making splatters. It's not it doesn't look good.
Speaker 1: And I feel like because there's only something because of
Speaker 1: his name, give one presidency, one presidency later, just wait
Speaker 1: that like four years, whoever bought that art for seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand's gonna be looking at themselves like, why the
Speaker 1: hell do I have this thing? Their kids gonna be like, Dad,
Speaker 1: can I go to college? Do I have a college fund?
Speaker 1: To be? Like, Sorry, son, we just didn't pan out
Speaker 1: like we wanted it to. Sorry, wild Like this ship
Speaker 1: is bad. I mean, look, I'm look, maybe I'm mad
Speaker 1: because you know, my father is an artist, so I
Speaker 1: like pretty critical art. I not that it's based in
Speaker 1: anything reasonable, but this ship is something for seventy is
Speaker 1: an affront to people who are like actually dedicating themselves
Speaker 1: to making art. And the fact that he had an
Speaker 1: opening at Milk Studios in Hollywood that is such industry ship.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think some I think they're laundering money
Speaker 1: with this ship. They have to be. It's it's like
Speaker 1: that painting where they somebody some poor woman in Spain
Speaker 1: tried to fix the painting of Jesus, and she's like
Speaker 1: smudged the lips and made it look like this crazy
Speaker 1: cartoon look at things when it made it look worse,
Speaker 1: but at the same time it made it more valuable
Speaker 1: because of the story behind it. To think with like
Speaker 1: a Banksy piece or banks he tried to subvert to
Speaker 1: industry by selling a piece that was going to self
Speaker 1: destruct when it sold. Did you guys see that? Like
Speaker 1: the frame itself was a shredder, and so as soon
Speaker 1: as they sold it for whatever, much like shredded itself,
Speaker 1: but that only made it worth more. It's like all
Speaker 1: about being viral that they've basically been selling n f
Speaker 1: T s. That's that's right, right, which again great way
Speaker 1: to launder money. Hey, I sold myself a n f
Speaker 1: T from with bitcoin I got off of like a
Speaker 1: hacking operation and that's trace, so I bought it as
Speaker 1: an n f T and now it's all clean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they probably had to do the Hunter Biden. I want
Speaker 1: to be surprised. Yeah, either that or cash in an envelope? Right,
Speaker 1: is this the right? Like doing sort of co and
Speaker 1: tell pro like type ship like just like really like
Speaker 1: four D chest ship where they're like Sean Hannity can't
Speaker 1: throw all football. So people google that and they're like
Speaker 1: he's okay, or Hunting Hunter Biden's art is good and
Speaker 1: then like we have to go look and be like
Speaker 1: not really, but they're just like trying to seed low
Speaker 1: or high expectations anything too is just like with art right,
Speaker 1: Like it says that the people who bought it were
Speaker 1: like close like personal friends of the person who owned
Speaker 1: the gap, like whose gallery was putting on the show,
Speaker 1: which I mean, you know there is there is some
Speaker 1: type of ship where you say you bought the ship
Speaker 1: for seventy five, you didn't and the artist says that
Speaker 1: they sold it for seventy five they didn't. But that
Speaker 1: helps in the long run because then it could get
Speaker 1: that much or make you know, following works of art
Speaker 1: worth more because you've set like a baseline for what
Speaker 1: his work is worth. But I don't, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just don't know, like an art collector who's like, and
Speaker 1: this is a Hunter Biden original, Yes, I know I
Speaker 1: have I have a couple other ones. That is a
Speaker 1: George O'Keeffe right next to it, but this is just
Speaker 1: one of a kind. Hunter Biden nightmare piece. I mean,
Speaker 1: this actually has a basis in history of like presidential
Speaker 1: failed son or fail brother like memorabilia, because like Billy
Speaker 1: beer was a thing that came out during the Jimmy
Speaker 1: Carter presidency, like his brother, like really east a beer
Speaker 1: that was like kind of a joke and it tastes
Speaker 1: really bad, but everybody it was it was like the
Speaker 1: baseball cards of the time. Everyone's like, oh, if you
Speaker 1: just keep one of these and like don't open it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a millionaire one day. And then like
Speaker 1: there was just a really a bunch of really shitty
Speaker 1: beer that that never got open, uh, and it didn't
Speaker 1: growing value. So maybe maybe this is like just a
Speaker 1: in that tradition part of the I can't imagine like
Speaker 1: in a generation people are even gonna know who Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden is. It was like the biggest non story for
Speaker 1: the people who are not at the center of the story.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this artwork. I'm looking at this artwork
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, they're not gonna know who Joe Biden is.
Speaker 1: They're gonna know who Hunter Biden is because his work
Speaker 1: is gonna overshadow everything. I'm looking at the fucking Guernica
Speaker 1: right now, Okay, it's a fucking masterpiece. You. I also
Speaker 1: feel like you need to give me one painting where
Speaker 1: you do something like a realistic or something, because it's
Speaker 1: all abstract ship that like I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing anything that's like but you know, like
Speaker 1: Andy Warhol was a great artists, like he could paint
Speaker 1: like things that looked like what they were supposed to
Speaker 1: look like and also do like pop art. I feel
Speaker 1: like I need I need to see that to appreciate
Speaker 1: Hunter's artwork because it's also like it's a bad version
Speaker 1: of like Murakami Taka. She's like work like it's very
Speaker 1: It's like it's like he it's like Hunter Biden saw
Speaker 1: like one of his pieces, like yo, that's kind of weird. Yeah, daddy,
Speaker 1: I want The only way this is gonna make sense
Speaker 1: is if Donald Trump Jr. Also had like a painting
Speaker 1: career he was trying to drop in. Hunter was like, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this first and steal all. That's the
Speaker 1: only way this would make sense to me. Then the
Speaker 1: sad part is like his art's like really good because
Speaker 1: he's so tortured from like like not because having a
Speaker 1: relationship with his father, and it's so vivid his work,
Speaker 1: it's paint portraits of him in his bathroom. There, that's
Speaker 1: the right. Did they want to actually listen to that
Speaker 1: fight commentary from September eleven where Trump and Trump Junior,
Speaker 1: because it was apparently like his disdain for Donald Trump
Speaker 1: Junior was like palpable, like like like tell him to
Speaker 1: shut up kind of ship. Yeah, yeah, like he ignored
Speaker 1: him other than to correct him. And there was another
Speaker 1: person doing the broadcast with them who was an actual
Speaker 1: m M A fighter, and Trump was, you know, as
Speaker 1: he as he is wanted to be like very impressed
Speaker 1: by big strong men and was just like deferring to
Speaker 1: him and basically implying that Donald Trump Junior should shut
Speaker 1: the funk up. He's like, I'm sorry about my kid.
Speaker 1: He's kind of an embarrassment. He speaks out of turn
Speaker 1: of life. And you see you see his arms like
Speaker 1: two big Christmas hands. As I said, bick note buddy,
Speaker 1: the secrets and toll his room energy. You just have
Speaker 1: to ignore everybody, just only time in to correct them. Yes,
Speaker 1: he would never call Junior buddy. By the way, what
Speaker 1: is what is something you think is underrated. I would
Speaker 1: say the Capital Riders, man, you know, I was there.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this last time. I keep
Speaker 1: thinking about how insane it is that more almost all
Speaker 1: of them walked in after the cops had already given up,
Speaker 1: did their little tour, and left, And I keep thinking
Speaker 1: back to that, and I'm like, Yo, honestly, that's like
Speaker 1: the dream for some of these protesters, Like if the
Speaker 1: Women's March, we're able to just kind of storm in
Speaker 1: after all the violence that ord occurred, so their hands
Speaker 1: are basically cleaned. They're basically being allowed in because the
Speaker 1: cops had given up and they don't want to die
Speaker 1: for the building. That's kind of an amazing feat. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like everyone's been, including myself,
Speaker 1: just talking about these people like they're crazy, sickos and
Speaker 1: psychos and they all live in like a shed in
Speaker 1: the middle of the woods like the bomber. But they
Speaker 1: got it done then, they got it done right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that strategy works. And a white supremacist country, when it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of white people fighting for white supremacy, what's
Speaker 1: your reason first storming the capital today? If it's something
Speaker 1: anti capitalist, we will shoot you in the face immediately
Speaker 1: white supremacy right this way, Yeah, to the left. We
Speaker 1: have windows that we failed to reinforce with any kind
Speaker 1: of safety measures. They're right underneath the building. If you
Speaker 1: just smash those out, you'll get right in right. It's like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I mean to your point about
Speaker 1: them being underrated when you look at that. We I
Speaker 1: talked about this all the time. The sentences that are
Speaker 1: being handed down to these people are like the lightest
Speaker 1: slaps on the wrist. Dude, they're getting to go home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're attacking cops and they're like, oh, it's okay. You
Speaker 1: can do like you're serving you can you can basically
Speaker 1: serve your term at home. You're lucky you don't get
Speaker 1: shot if you're you're the wrong color, right, or just
Speaker 1: do and there And to think that in places like Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about last week, they were using words
Speaker 1: like we're hunting, we're going out hunting that they were
Speaker 1: like a game. Yeah, I mean, do you think because
Speaker 1: I was it was funny before we came on. I
Speaker 1: was talking about like I always I always read your
Speaker 1: work in Slate, and I remember one of the around
Speaker 1: the time of the what was it like the September eight,
Speaker 1: the Big Justice for j six wet fart of a rally.
Speaker 1: You had written a piece about how like they don't
Speaker 1: really need to and they don't need to gather in
Speaker 1: physical space anymore. Like they've they they've already seen that
Speaker 1: they have each other out there, and now it's more like,
Speaker 1: let's shift our focus on actual ways to exert kind
Speaker 1: of power than just showing up screaming. And that's the
Speaker 1: scary part is that they've they've kind of learned their
Speaker 1: lessons from the capitol right where they they just discovered
Speaker 1: what's the benefit from doing something like that and what
Speaker 1: they can lose. And maybe some of them had the right,
Speaker 1: the right uh, the right reaction, where like, yo, we're
Speaker 1: actually losing the middle ground here. But we can go
Speaker 1: to these school board meetings and scream our asses off
Speaker 1: about wanting to save the children, and anybody who screams
Speaker 1: against us looks like they're trying to kill kids on purpose.
Speaker 1: That's sort of an easy win. And they know that
Speaker 1: those people are not going to be protected. They can
Speaker 1: follow them home and they can threaten them with guns
Speaker 1: or whatever they want, and they're gonna be fine and
Speaker 1: doing so, and so I think they've learned their lesson
Speaker 1: and they realize that they can actually get those people
Speaker 1: to quit and run unopposed and get their jobs and
Speaker 1: just basically start grooming the next generation by red pilling
Speaker 1: them before they even know what's what. Yeah, and it's working.
Speaker 1: It's working. It's I don't think anybody's really figured out
Speaker 1: a how to stop them from doing that and be
Speaker 1: how to get people to hold these positions. You know,
Speaker 1: how do we get people who are going to be
Speaker 1: stucked and threatened and have their families threatened with violence?
Speaker 1: How do we tell them hold your ground? Otherwise these
Speaker 1: people are going to be rewriting your kids textbooks. It's
Speaker 1: sort of a lose lose situation, right, Yeah, it's like that.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, I mean, in a terrible like analogy,
Speaker 1: but like you're trying to get into like the big club,
Speaker 1: like the Sormu of the capitals, like yo, that nice
Speaker 1: club you know where the celebrities go, and they're like, no, man,
Speaker 1: you can't get in here, Like fuck it, We'll go
Speaker 1: to this dive bar. I know we can get into where.
Speaker 1: That's how they're like, okay, well we couldn't exert power there.
Speaker 1: There's places where it's the easiest point of entry into
Speaker 1: decision making positions, like in our communities, and that's where
Speaker 1: we'll go instead because nobody's checking there. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: guys see what happened in Tennessee? Now what happened like
Speaker 1: Q and On conspiracy woman is now head of textbooks
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, and so now she's gonna be the one
Speaker 1: deciding what textbooks kid bought and what's being taught in
Speaker 1: these classes across the boards for the whole state. And
Speaker 1: she's like this conspiracy Q and On person. It's it's like,
Speaker 1: that's the ground that we can't see. We're already losing it.
Speaker 1: And this is where I know I'm not shipped because
Speaker 1: I'm immediate, like I need to write that motherfucking textbook
Speaker 1: and get rich. If she's buying books, I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna love I take on American Ross me didn't American
Speaker 1: didn't exist seven All right, let's say it was. It
Speaker 1: began with Bill Clinton's Lewinsky affair. Yeah, exactly, that was Yeah. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: I guess Ronald Reagan would have to be the founding father. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: my bad. I'm I'm a workshop. There you go, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and let's talk about some of the people
Speaker 1: that you know, we've covered a few stories about how
Speaker 1: like outrage healthcare workers are refusing to get vaccinated, cops
Speaker 1: are willing to walk out, and so there we're starting
Speaker 1: to see like some results from overall, like you know,
Speaker 1: companies that had put in place vaccine mandates and it's
Speaker 1: like it's seems to be generally like one only one
Speaker 1: percent of people refused to be vaccinated and have to
Speaker 1: be let go. Yeah, I mean there's like sexier numbers
Speaker 1: like in New York, like we're four hundred people, we're
Speaker 1: going to be terminated and things like that. But you
Speaker 1: know there's places like United where they have sixties seven
Speaker 1: thousand employees, only six hundred ended up leaving, or like
Speaker 1: a healthcare system in North Carolina that employees over thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand, it's only like a hundred and twenties something
Speaker 1: that left again like less than one percent. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's like this, you know, clearly there's a
Speaker 1: there's a like schadenfreud to aspect. I think to it
Speaker 1: because the majority of the nation is like, we can't
Speaker 1: just let these people like hold us back. So the
Speaker 1: idea that it's like, oh they're taking elves with their careers, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to see that. But I think it's also
Speaker 1: it's giving people a very skewed idea of like just
Speaker 1: how like what the resolve is of many people to
Speaker 1: be like yeah, like I'm I'm all about freedom. I
Speaker 1: don't need a job. It doesn't seem just like that.
Speaker 1: There was a CNBC story that was like about Northern
Speaker 1: Illinois University, like vaccine mandates are like causing people to
Speaker 1: like drop out, but if you read the article, it's
Speaker 1: only like two people. So you spent all this, you
Speaker 1: spend all this, all these resources to write a story
Speaker 1: with this headline, but yet when it boils down to it,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, two people of the thousands took off,
Speaker 1: and where I don't know, it's it's just kind of
Speaker 1: a just a moment where I'm like looking at Okay.
Speaker 1: So clearly I know conservative media is incentivized to keep
Speaker 1: the outrage about vaccine mandates, you know, like brewing as
Speaker 1: long as possible. But then even like on just other media,
Speaker 1: sites just seems like even you know, left or centrist
Speaker 1: sites still a very similar thing to like very much
Speaker 1: focus on this, and I think it gives people a
Speaker 1: very different idea of what's happening. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: you were pointing out it in kind of your right
Speaker 1: up here, that this is something that we've seen every
Speaker 1: Like I've actually heard people specifically have this question, be
Speaker 1: like there's no way that like when the smallpox vaccine
Speaker 1: came out, or when the polio vaccine came out, like
Speaker 1: there was this much resistance, like we're we are at
Speaker 1: a uniquely dumb time, and you know that that's not
Speaker 1: the case. There was resistance. It just wore down over time,
Speaker 1: and we were able to you know, use vaccinations to
Speaker 1: eradicate smallpox by you know, after it was over the
Speaker 1: course of like fifty years, but it did at the
Speaker 1: time right now. Yeah, but but yeah, like there were
Speaker 1: people like marching on schools to be like, we don't
Speaker 1: want our kids to get the smallpox vaccine, like back
Speaker 1: back at the beginning of the twentieth century, and cities
Speaker 1: and town towns all over the U S face backlash
Speaker 1: over the mandates, but it just didn't gain as much
Speaker 1: traction as people being like, yeah, this appears to be
Speaker 1: working because their friends movements, you know, in their estence.
Speaker 1: You know, this is like a microcosm of exactly what
Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with the way that we consume
Speaker 1: news and the way we even write about news. You know,
Speaker 1: I hate talking about media as a pejorative, especially someone
Speaker 1: who's like in the media as a writer, because there's
Speaker 1: so many people who disagree, and you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: the way we decide on what gets written about has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what stories we think are the truest.
Speaker 1: It's like, what do we think people are going to
Speaker 1: engage with? Right, That's just how everybody in the media,
Speaker 1: no matter big or small. That's how we think of
Speaker 1: what's the successful piece. And that's a problem. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's like, well, that's what's wrong with it. But then,
Speaker 1: you know, based on the way we consume news media,
Speaker 1: we're sort of piecemealing whatever our reality is, and so
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if we write about the the fifteen
Speaker 1: that quit or the hundred and fifty who didn't. You know,
Speaker 1: even though the clear majority, depending on how you feel
Speaker 1: about the vaccine in the first place, that what you're
Speaker 1: gonna see that's what you're gonna attach yourself to. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw the there was
Speaker 1: like a death last week. There's this woman out in
Speaker 1: Seattle named Jessica berg Wilson who lost her life, uh, supposedly,
Speaker 1: because this is all we know is what was written
Speaker 1: in habituary. Supposedly because she took the J and J
Speaker 1: vaccine and got symptoms and eventually died and lost her life.
Speaker 1: And she was like this young, healthy person, and so
Speaker 1: she's if that's true, that's the fourth person in America
Speaker 1: who died after taking a vaccine. The fourth person, and
Speaker 1: there have been millions of doses that have been handed out,
Speaker 1: but that fourth person is enough for all of these
Speaker 1: anti vaccine pundance and mouthpieces or even news websites that
Speaker 1: are they're going to attach themselves to the story and
Speaker 1: pump out like four or five six articles just about
Speaker 1: those four just about though that family that now doesn't
Speaker 1: have a mom in their life because of what happened
Speaker 1: to her, which is a real thing and it's a
Speaker 1: tragic thing. That's four out of millions, So it's it's
Speaker 1: really got. It really just comes down to what you
Speaker 1: already think, which is really scary. Yeah, yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: who's how are you? How will it affect your confirmation bias?
Speaker 1: That's the that's the problem with doing your own research.
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so scary to throw your
Speaker 1: weight behind it, because it's like doing your own research
Speaker 1: really in this day and age where there's so much
Speaker 1: information and it's impossible to tell what's real and what's
Speaker 1: wrong because sometimes what's wrong is has a grain of
Speaker 1: reality attached to it, And so do you do your
Speaker 1: own research and you're basically looking for what validates what
Speaker 1: you already think. And that's why it's so easy for
Speaker 1: some of these people to say, do your own research,
Speaker 1: and they expect you to find what they're finding, which
Speaker 1: is the stories like Jessica burg Wilson's and not the
Speaker 1: millions of others that have had no symptoms and then
Speaker 1: now going to ban because they have a vaccine. Right,
Speaker 1: it would be wild if they just do like a
Speaker 1: versus battle of like uh, like you know, microbiologists, epidemiologists,
Speaker 1: tagg team versus like Robert F. Kennedy and some other
Speaker 1: like anti vax truth or and like this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it's gonna be a fair one. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring up points, you're gonna let them say
Speaker 1: some wild ship. Then scientists will speak, and then the
Speaker 1: audience from there will decide. I feel like in that way,
Speaker 1: you could be like, can you agree to that? Like
Speaker 1: if we put your person up against some experts, that
Speaker 1: that would be cool. You could just watch them go
Speaker 1: toe to toe. But maybe then they're like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: were cheating. They were cheating the whole thing, Like they
Speaker 1: were cheating scientists. You can't cheating versus what happens happens,
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the law exactly as Dips it.
Speaker 1: There's the thread of this doctor like talking about how
Speaker 1: he talks to people are skeptical of the vaccine that
Speaker 1: I brought up a couple of times on the show,
Speaker 1: but he the main kind of takeaway from me is
Speaker 1: that he's amazingly patient with like every single one of
Speaker 1: the counter factuals that people like bring up to him,
Speaker 1: and also acknowledges the fact that yeah, there have been
Speaker 1: like reactions to the vaccine, just like there are any vaccine.
Speaker 1: Here are the numbers though, and like kind of getting
Speaker 1: ahead of that and that that seemed really smart to
Speaker 1: me to just be like and then here are your
Speaker 1: chances if you don't get the vaccine, of contracting COVID,
Speaker 1: which is like hundreds of times higher than having a reaction,
Speaker 1: and then of dying from COVID, which are still like
Speaker 1: dozens of times higher than having a reaction, probably still hundreds.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyways, we have to get to important ship.
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey has spoken. I'm seeing pick up for this
Speaker 1: like everywhere in the media. The Hollywood Reporter just sent
Speaker 1: me a notification being like here, Matthew McConaughey would be
Speaker 1: risking at all with the governor run, but he'd also
Speaker 1: stand to gain a lot. And it's it's like, why
Speaker 1: is this right a millionaire? Like but yeah, so we've
Speaker 1: all been speculating, like what, like just the idea of
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey gubernatorial run seems very strange. We have no
Speaker 1: real idea of what his platform would be and we
Speaker 1: still don't um but he talked about it. He said
Speaker 1: some words kind of at that question. It's like, is
Speaker 1: he gonna is this gonna be a reality based campaign?
Speaker 1: Will it be a sick ass character study character bit
Speaker 1: he's gonna do, and just based on his answers, it
Speaker 1: kind of sounds like both is what this thing is
Speaker 1: going to be like because he went on Karat Switcher's
Speaker 1: podcast and he he had ideas, he had thoughts. First off,
Speaker 1: just on the abortion band SBA in Texas. He was like,
Speaker 1: it's ruthless, it's terrible, Like he's like the trickery involved
Speaker 1: with the like legal wording is despicable. Six weeks is
Speaker 1: not enough time for anyone, for anyone to make a
Speaker 1: reasonable decision, as it would relate to that. So that one, okay,
Speaker 1: seemed like he was on the reality based, reasoned sort
Speaker 1: of crew there on masks, he said, we were all
Speaker 1: more afraid of the word mandate than we were the
Speaker 1: damn mask And I think our pride trumped and stamped
Speaker 1: down our honor there. We chose privilege over principle. Starting
Speaker 1: he's starting to heat up though, getting a little McConaughey here,
Speaker 1: and then he really then they were like, okay, so, like,
Speaker 1: what how do you think about your relationship to politics
Speaker 1: and like where you fit in and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm working on what I'm trying to understand
Speaker 1: politics to beat WHOA, Okay, I think we've got to
Speaker 1: redefine politics. If each party is only about preservation of party, well,
Speaker 1: I'm almost arguing that's undemocratic. I mean, there's something to that.
Speaker 1: And then he says, if you're only there too, you know,
Speaker 1: by hook or by crook, preserve your party, you're leaving
Speaker 1: out fifty of the people. So I think politics needs
Speaker 1: are redefining. Can only okay, okay, what else you got?
Speaker 1: Then he said, look, I'm not a man who comes
Speaker 1: at politics from a political background. I'm more of a statesman, philosopher,
Speaker 1: singing poet. I don't talk I talk people, statesman philosopher,
Speaker 1: folks singing poet. Thank you. That's what I was waiting for.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for something something like that. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I guess I'm not sure what his
Speaker 1: philosophy is. Aside from him, I think he's also on
Speaker 1: that young like radical centrist ship because he's like, the
Speaker 1: way I look at it, there's six people out there
Speaker 1: that's the majority, and we have to find it from
Speaker 1: the center. Man, And you're like, oh oh boy, trying
Speaker 1: to fuck me with this answer. That's like just like
Speaker 1: the ship that a boy was at a party like
Speaker 1: trying to fuck you, just like are you brushing my
Speaker 1: hair back? I'm more of like a statesman, philosopher, folksinging poet,
Speaker 1: if you okay, sir, thank you? Alright, alright, alright, alright.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, well this is I mean,
Speaker 1: only from that last only of Texans are like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe. I mean, it doesn't seem like the
Speaker 1: right state for that sort of thing either, Like I
Speaker 1: mean he I know he's from Texas and like is
Speaker 1: a proud Texan that Texans are proud of. But I
Speaker 1: do feel like there's a there's also like maybe mayor
Speaker 1: of Austin would work, but you feel like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he reminds me of man, he reminds me of somebody
Speaker 1: like joining a random club and thinking they have it
Speaker 1: all figured out and you just feel like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: that kid is so naive. He's stepping into It's like
Speaker 1: if you actually think about what people vote on and
Speaker 1: like how they vote, they rarely, they rarely look at
Speaker 1: like trying to solve the problems that we have. They're
Speaker 1: just like thinking of the one issue they care about most,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, how does this politician think about
Speaker 1: this one issue? How do they care? What do they
Speaker 1: think about Texas? And they're just gonna vote whoever is
Speaker 1: going to make their taxes cheaper, or you know, there's
Speaker 1: some people to voters on, like abortion and only abortion.
Speaker 1: You know. So it's like, I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many people are really convinced that politics
Speaker 1: can be redeemed and that there can be a like
Speaker 1: utopia America or people politicians aren't slimy scumbags. It's like,
Speaker 1: that sounds great, that sounds nice. I think everybody who
Speaker 1: gets into politics might think that at some point, But
Speaker 1: then you get there, then you just like people doing
Speaker 1: favors for each other, and it's like people, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not that clean. I got involved right
Speaker 1: when Obama was running and I was like, here we go.
Speaker 1: So there's this lobbying firm and I'm like, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: we will help get this fucking healthcare. And then you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: who's paying my wait? Who cuts my checks? And I'm
Speaker 1: like wait, we work for this industry, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like na, dude, I can't I can't
Speaker 1: keep doing this ship this is like but very idealistic
Speaker 1: because you have this belief you're like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like the right amount of people, but you're playing a
Speaker 1: rigged game, and so until you can like change the rules,
Speaker 1: there's not much that can be done. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why the emphasis really needs to be a little bit.
Speaker 1: People need to zoom out a little bit more and
Speaker 1: be like, it's not just the people that you get
Speaker 1: in there, Like it's fundamentally you're sending them into the
Speaker 1: terror dome. So there's pretty much only one outcome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any any one of these experienced politicians will just eat
Speaker 1: him alive, man, and they're just gonna get him to
Speaker 1: say what they want him to say on like the
Speaker 1: condition they help him with something else. And that's just
Speaker 1: how politics works behind the scenes, you know, even someone
Speaker 1: like AOC who everybody is like she's the only principled one.
Speaker 1: I see it all the time. People believe that, right,
Speaker 1: and then you see that she's like voting absent on
Speaker 1: something she really fast very hold on, we're on that
Speaker 1: iron dome funding, right, and she's just gonna sit quietly
Speaker 1: because she feels like she has to. M I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I'm like yo, just flame out, do you and
Speaker 1: if they vote you out, then go out a legend
Speaker 1: because you could probably come right back in. But like
Speaker 1: it's but there aren't many politicians and who are willing
Speaker 1: to go I will I will ride this ship till
Speaker 1: the fucking wheels blow off and I'm voted the funk out.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, when you start seeing people triangulate and do
Speaker 1: ship like that, you're like you're starting to become You're
Speaker 1: you're understanding the hill a little bit, and you're trying
Speaker 1: to survive the hill. You're doing hill survival moves. I
Speaker 1: do wonder what the like there there were all these
Speaker 1: uh stolen Facebook numbers that indicated to Bannon and you
Speaker 1: know what whatever that data firm was that they're that America, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cambridge Analytica. That America was like right for an outsider candidate,
Speaker 1: Like I think it was a couple of years before
Speaker 1: the presidential election, and that's why they backed Trump kind
Speaker 1: of reluctantly. I I wonder what those types of numbers
Speaker 1: say about the country now, because it does seem like
Speaker 1: we're still kind of, you know, disillusioned with politics as
Speaker 1: it currently exists, but we're also disillusioned with the presidency
Speaker 1: of the outsider that they chose last time, So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd be curious. That's what I gonna I
Speaker 1: was like, here's all the ways that Bernie could still win,
Speaker 1: Like this is how you do it right. I'm one
Speaker 1: of those people too where I'm just like sort jaded,
Speaker 1: and I get why people say they don't want to vote,
Speaker 1: because it feels like we don't really have like we
Speaker 1: don't get to choose we want to vote. We get
Speaker 1: to vote against the person we don't want, and that's
Speaker 1: just the system we have and it sucks, but that's
Speaker 1: what we got. And it's hard to start there knowing
Speaker 1: that that's what the situation is, trying to convince someone
Speaker 1: to to vote with you because you know that this
Speaker 1: person isn't perfect. It's like all the people who wanted Biden,
Speaker 1: and it was the purpose was to get Trump out right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope. I'm not like shattering anyone's reality by saying that,
Speaker 1: But that's really why I want to bite it in.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, Trump is gonna kill us all,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to end up on a list
Speaker 1: because he like floated that idea about Muslims. I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get this guy out of here before he
Speaker 1: started doing that. And you know, that's the that's the baseline,
Speaker 1: that's what we're already. And so when you have someone
Speaker 1: like Matthew McConaughey come in and say like, look I
Speaker 1: can fix this, it's like, really, you're you're you're not
Speaker 1: selling us on anything new. You're coming in and you're
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm going to be the right person. That's
Speaker 1: what they all say. And then they come in and
Speaker 1: then something happens and then now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Gauantanomo is not getting close, and now a sudden, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do healthcare, but it's gonna look like this. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be free. It's everybody's making compromises. Everybody's making
Speaker 1: compromises because they had that one issue they got to
Speaker 1: get through. So I don't know, I almost rather him
Speaker 1: come in and say, look, we gotta fix the wealth
Speaker 1: gap and everything I'm gonna talk about, I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: back to the wealth gap. Okay, that's a serious that's
Speaker 1: a serious strategy. Yeah, all the all the pain you're
Speaker 1: feeling is because of inequality. So that's what I'm here for. Everything.
Speaker 1: I can watch say anything any topic right now, I'll
Speaker 1: bring it right back to inequality for you sucking anything
Speaker 1: go and no one talks like that. I mean that's
Speaker 1: the other thing is that I think just the way
Speaker 1: people are communicating to it's still like this hybrid of
Speaker 1: like old Gate bell Way talk, but also just like
Speaker 1: with trying to be somewhat more conversational when really these
Speaker 1: people need to speak directly at the ills and how
Speaker 1: to solve them. But everyone's different. Because I was like,
Speaker 1: this person just hates America. It's like, no, I'm identifying
Speaker 1: issues and they're fucked. But my kind might be like,
Speaker 1: I can fix it, man, unlike a Buick Enclave one
Speaker 1: that will not ever need any fixing because they're seventy
Speaker 1: two more quarantine serial percent are financing for qualified borrowers.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're looking at a new adventure. Sales pitch
Speaker 1: is always like yeah right, it's just so wild they
Speaker 1: start encore the Buick Encore g X. Your point on
Speaker 1: people voting for Biden because because he was against Trump
Speaker 1: is interesting. I maybe in the minority here. I actually
Speaker 1: voted for Biden based on the art of his son Hunter,
Speaker 1: But I don't know like that, that's a sensitive man,
Speaker 1: that artist. Yeah, exactly, we need more news articles about
Speaker 1: the people who voted for Biden, only for right. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and there is a new conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that is circulating on the right that you've actually seen
Speaker 1: evidence of if you saw or heard Joe Rogan talked
Speaker 1: about how he thought that Joe Biden didn't actually get
Speaker 1: the booster shot and that that was like a fake
Speaker 1: booster shot that he got right because he might have
Speaker 1: freaked out on camera. Yeah, he was like he could die,
Speaker 1: He could have died of the of the reaction. Die.
Speaker 1: So that is actually was first forwarded by a bunch
Speaker 1: of people who think that Joe Biden has built a
Speaker 1: fake sound stage on which he appears and pretends to
Speaker 1: be in the White House. And they uses this evidence
Speaker 1: where he he is photographed in front of windows that
Speaker 1: like have you know, projections of the Rose Garden on them,
Speaker 1: and they are like, this is clearly a sound stage.
Speaker 1: He isn't actually the president. We are watching a movie
Speaker 1: with a fake president and Donald Trump is the real president.
Speaker 1: Is what one Q and on one Q and on
Speaker 1: thought leader claimed other people are just using it as
Speaker 1: like sort of a brought like jack uh posts o
Speaker 1: Biac is calling it the Truman Show Presidency, which quickly
Speaker 1: got pulled bubbled up onto Fox News where was quote
Speaker 1: Truman Show presidency. Biden ridiculed for using fake White House set.
Speaker 1: And first of all, that's that's published on Fox News.
Speaker 1: Those words out, What do they even mean? What is
Speaker 1: that article? Even like, I'm sorry, I'm still hung up
Speaker 1: on the thing that you're saying. People are using his
Speaker 1: evidence that there was was he actually were there actual
Speaker 1: projections of the rose garden in the window or they
Speaker 1: mistaken the fact that like the windows they are like
Speaker 1: so bulletproof, like it distorts things when you look through it. No. No,
Speaker 1: So there is a building in the White House complex
Speaker 1: where lots of presidents have had made appearances. He is
Speaker 1: doing most of his appearances from there because it is
Speaker 1: a bigger room than the rooms in the White House.
Speaker 1: And apparently, and I haven't confirmed this, but we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of a global fucking pandemic, and so they
Speaker 1: don't want a lot of people like a you know,
Speaker 1: press swarm of a swarm of press people in the
Speaker 1: same room as are like nine year old president during
Speaker 1: a global pandemic, and so it's like this big kind
Speaker 1: of room in the Eisenhower Executive Office building connected to
Speaker 1: the White House. The press is fully like there are
Speaker 1: many photographs that show that it is just a back drop,
Speaker 1: like the faux White House aesthetic was created for the
Speaker 1: Global Coronavirus Summit, but it's in no way looks like
Speaker 1: what would fool anyone. And in fact, the the the
Speaker 1: projection in the window had the words built back better
Speaker 1: floating in the middle of it, which should have been
Speaker 1: a dead giveaway. But uh yeah, yeah, yeah there. There's
Speaker 1: so many pictures where it's clearly he's in an auditorium
Speaker 1: for policy announcement because it's bigger, and he's not trying
Speaker 1: to die from the pandemic, and he's not trying to
Speaker 1: kill a bunch of press people from the pandemic. And
Speaker 1: it's just so easy to fact check, like Fox News
Speaker 1: knows it's laughably bullshita like untrue, because they are invited
Speaker 1: to these events. There there, Yeah, they're right there. They
Speaker 1: know nobody's trying to pull one over on them, but
Speaker 1: they can report on I mean this kind of ties
Speaker 1: into the theme of the episode, they can report on
Speaker 1: the social media response, which makes it like technically true,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the response happens to be a
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit and they know it. Dude. Have you
Speaker 1: have you scrolled down to look at the comments on
Speaker 1: the Fox News website. Dude, there's so much despaired going on.
Speaker 1: Someone's like, I feel like we're living in a simulation.
Speaker 1: Things are just getting more bizarre by the day. Someone
Speaker 1: else is like, I can see this coming from a
Speaker 1: mile away. Biden's approval of ranking is falling. Oh my god, man,
Speaker 1: they believe they believe this. I mean, the q and
Speaker 1: On kind of conspiracy theory is funny because one person
Speaker 1: is like, in case you need any more proof, you're
Speaker 1: definitely watching a movie with a fake president, look no further.
Speaker 1: And then they said, I challenge you to find me
Speaker 1: one picture like this while Trump was at the White House.
Speaker 1: I'll wait, and it's like, no, they built that song
Speaker 1: for this other thing. But also somebody like a q
Speaker 1: and On believer was like, but like, so, who if
Speaker 1: if Trump is still president, who's making all these terrible
Speaker 1: decisions that we disagree with? They were shut up, They
Speaker 1: didn't say, but I do think that that there is
Speaker 1: some interesting questions for the like go just I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if if you can see the fucking matrix, then explain
Speaker 1: the fucking matrix. Don't just go we are watching a
Speaker 1: movie right now, folks, and who is producing the film
Speaker 1: and for what goal exactly and what and so if
Speaker 1: it really and that's I think that's what's so I
Speaker 1: think alarming, you know, is the energy, the mental energy
Speaker 1: spend that's going into saying things out loud. He's like, no, man,
Speaker 1: we're watching a movie. This is all fake. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: that's a that should be a really scary place to
Speaker 1: be more than thinking that Trump isn't the president, but okay,
Speaker 1: go on, damn. They need to believe that he's both
Speaker 1: like weak and sleep and doesn't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: but also has like this elaborate conspiracy where he's pulled
Speaker 1: the wool over everyone eyes and he's just pulling lever
Speaker 1: behind the scenes as the strang country. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to just hear your thoughts on like as
Speaker 1: as somebody who is kind of part of the media,
Speaker 1: like where you think we're headed in terms of like
Speaker 1: Trump running again, and you know what what support for
Speaker 1: him is gonna look like and you know what, what
Speaker 1: are the vibes within vie vive check, what do you
Speaker 1: do you think? Like he he had that um rally
Speaker 1: over the weekend, but that like seems to indicate he's
Speaker 1: going to do it again. But like, how do you like,
Speaker 1: how are you thinking about it right now? I mean, yeah, anybody,
Speaker 1: any reporter who was paying close attention to Trump during
Speaker 1: his whole regime the last four years, it feels like
Speaker 1: we haven't had a break yet, which is crazy. But
Speaker 1: I mean it's obvious to anyone that he doesn't even
Speaker 1: know what he's doing yet, and that right now he's
Speaker 1: testing the water, so he's dropping a little couple of
Speaker 1: hints and seeing how people react. He's waiting for the
Speaker 1: polling to get back in because he's so terrified of
Speaker 1: the embarrassment of the humiliation of announcing that he's running
Speaker 1: again and most people not getting getting behind him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not going to run unless he knows for sure
Speaker 1: that every Republican congressman is not gonna either not going
Speaker 1: to run against him or get steamrolled by him. He
Speaker 1: needs to know for sure before he risks his brand
Speaker 1: like that, and you know, that's kind of how he
Speaker 1: was president. You know, it's it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: believe that he had some big, mystifying plan and the
Speaker 1: whole thing was set up to push America in a
Speaker 1: certain direction. He doesn't know, he doesn't know what he's doing, right.
Speaker 1: He's shooting from the hip, trying to just see, like,
Speaker 1: what what's going to please the magaverse the most, what's
Speaker 1: going to make them the most engaged and the most
Speaker 1: excited for the next election cycle or whatever. So that's
Speaker 1: that's what's going on right now in Marilago. He's sitting
Speaker 1: around asking his yes men, is now the right time?
Speaker 1: Should I do it? What are people saying? How do
Speaker 1: I How do I know for sure? Right? And I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's getting getting it from both sides. There's that
Speaker 1: poll that came out that showed that only of Republicans
Speaker 1: want Trump to run. So who knows how that poll
Speaker 1: is going to change between now and it becomes time
Speaker 1: for him to announce, or what if that time is
Speaker 1: going to happen, Because say that number goes down, that
Speaker 1: could probably indicate to us that it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: The number goes up, I think it's gonna indicate that
Speaker 1: he will. So that's that's where he's at. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, you know, I think he wants to
Speaker 1: run mostly because he's still trying to get on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He's still trying to have some sort of White House
Speaker 1: prestige that he's holding onto. We saw that when he
Speaker 1: was doing his like random press releases where he was
Speaker 1: like typing in all caps. It's still him wanting to
Speaker 1: be president. He wants people to care about what he thinks,
Speaker 1: in the same way that Tucker Carlson wants people to
Speaker 1: care about what he thinks. It's it's crazy, it almost
Speaker 1: He should honestly just disappear and be glad that he
Speaker 1: had to run, and who knows, if he's disappears forever,
Speaker 1: his reputation might improve based on how bad people think
Speaker 1: of a job that Joe Biden is doing, or whoever's
Speaker 1: gonna come next, maybe it's the Santists or whoever. You know.
Speaker 1: It rehabilitated George Bush's reputation. So my take is this,
Speaker 1: he should disappear. He won't because he needs people to
Speaker 1: know what he's up to and he needs them to
Speaker 1: think that he's got a plan when he doesn't. I
Speaker 1: feel like his kind of disappearance to this point has
Speaker 1: been helpful to him because those numbers that you know,
Speaker 1: support him running again, Like I think it's two thirds
Speaker 1: of Republicans think he should like be involved like heavily
Speaker 1: and the future of the party, and like that's up
Speaker 1: I think from January six. So it's like moving in
Speaker 1: the right direction for him with with him being artificially silenced,
Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting like once he was able to
Speaker 1: figure out how to start spouting off again. To January
Speaker 1: six is the perfect indicator for this man, because when
Speaker 1: January six happened, there was this sweep of consciousness that
Speaker 1: it was just running wild through the Republican Party. Then
Speaker 1: you had loyalists like Nicki Haley saying we've gone too
Speaker 1: far and we need to reel it back. But just
Speaker 1: this week she was on TV saying that January six
Speaker 1: didn't happen and that racism doesn't exist in this country.
Speaker 1: And so the more time we we have between like
Speaker 1: January six and the Trump presidency, now, I think the
Speaker 1: MAGA versus going to romanticize how good they had it
Speaker 1: when Trump was running, even though they had the all
Speaker 1: three branches of the government, but still weren't able to
Speaker 1: do anything because they don't really have a plan. But
Speaker 1: they're still going to romanticize it and think, well, Dan,
Speaker 1: we had everything, the country was on track, the economy
Speaker 1: was booming, and then as soon as they're the Democrats
Speaker 1: took over, it all went to ship. So they're going
Speaker 1: to tell themselves what they need to to imagine. Trump
Speaker 1: is like this hero and you know, you ever see
Speaker 1: like the Trump flags of him, his Rambo and he's
Speaker 1: like rams and stuff like that's going to become That's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be what they remember of Trump. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if he stays quiet as a problem when you but
Speaker 1: when I look at the polling, right almost a third day,
Speaker 1: he should not remain a major political figure right among Republicans,
Speaker 1: and twenty two percent said they would support another presidential
Speaker 1: candidate that shared his values. To me, I see more
Speaker 1: of like a schism there where I think the people
Speaker 1: who are like like newly minted conservative wonks, I guess
Speaker 1: think like, no, man, like we're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to win with Trump, Like that's clear, like if
Speaker 1: we really want to go full steam with this like
Speaker 1: fascist ethno nationalist agenda, then it has to be someone else,
Speaker 1: and it seems like if that's people's aims, there's on
Speaker 1: some level they understand that it energizes people to be
Speaker 1: against Trump. So if they're thinking about it that way,
Speaker 1: it's like, we like someone with the same fucked up
Speaker 1: core beliefs, just not that brand because that's going to
Speaker 1: be harder to win. But then you know, there's also
Speaker 1: a lot of like operatives and people that he consults with.
Speaker 1: Apparently the reporting is that like many of them are saying,
Speaker 1: wait till after the fucking mid terms, because the second
Speaker 1: you start going out there saying like I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: and ship, it may funk up everything. And they're definitely
Speaker 1: people who believe that. So, I mean, on some level
Speaker 1: there's is like this sort of half reckoning with trying
Speaker 1: to understand like from a purely electoral strategical standpoint, what
Speaker 1: does it mean to have Trump anywhere near an election?
Speaker 1: But then they're clearly there's who are watching a movie
Speaker 1: right now? Did in I hope he's shook enough by
Speaker 1: the people who boot him forgetting the vaccine that he
Speaker 1: just like loses it like Chappelle and like just can't
Speaker 1: focus on anything else. But like the people who disagree
Speaker 1: with him and like his starts, uh you know, focusing
Speaker 1: on that is that even the maga people like like
Speaker 1: old Chappell faars like damn he used to have it man, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just won't stop talking about this fucking this election
Speaker 1: and just focuses only on like the one piece of
Speaker 1: negative feedback that he's gotten in ten years, and like
Speaker 1: that becomes all he talks about. Or however he just
Speaker 1: loses whatever confidence and like pocket he was in with
Speaker 1: the mega thing. But I think, like anything, if like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna kick, You're gonna purge those people who are
Speaker 1: making you feel those icky things. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just really want Trump Junior to run so just
Speaker 1: so we can watch him do this whole campaign and
Speaker 1: not get his own dad's endorsement. He really wouldn't. He
Speaker 1: fucking wouldn't completely fun sit up for him, Like I'll
Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, he's he's completely unproven. He's he's
Speaker 1: an amateur. He's a lightweight, so weight, total lightweight, that
Speaker 1: kid u puny stick arms. I asked him to roll
Speaker 1: up his sleeves next time you see him. Check out
Speaker 1: his dry step definition nothing nothing, no Christmas hands, scantist
Speaker 1: horseshoes back there, big old horseshoes. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: really briefly about deep fakes. Justin Bieber was folwed by
Speaker 1: a Tom Cruise deep fake. I know this isn't like
Speaker 1: the CIA being full Beaver is not error sharpest celebrity,
Speaker 1: but Canada ry American North America's sharpest celebrity. But I
Speaker 1: find it's still interesting because it's someone who wields immense
Speaker 1: power online like fold for multiple hours, even created a
Speaker 1: video so it was like a video of Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: like playing the guitar Tom Cruise from like twenty years go,
Speaker 1: because he looked like way younger than he does now,
Speaker 1: and it was very convincing, and people was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: you're shredding, but like I still can. Apparently he's like
Speaker 1: offered to fight Tom Creu like box Tom Cruise, so
Speaker 1: like there was some of that. He became a thing.
Speaker 1: And then people are like, hey man, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: from an account called deep Tom Cruise. Like you it's
Speaker 1: a deep think, but you know, sixty Minutes did a
Speaker 1: report yesterday where they like it was about this. It
Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of experts who are like, this
Speaker 1: is going to be the biggest story of the next
Speaker 1: like ten years it when it comes to media. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't like somebody who just invented like a new
Speaker 1: technology trying to like boost there. It was just like
Speaker 1: somebody who pays attention to disinformation for a living. But
Speaker 1: the things sixty Minutes did with it was they d
Speaker 1: aged the reporter by thirty years, which is like a
Speaker 1: suspiciously cool thing for the reporter using this like cutting
Speaker 1: edge technology to make him like look more fun. Right,
Speaker 1: He's like, damn, I look good, right, I can get it.
Speaker 1: Huh the whole news media that's wild, right, yeah, But anyways,
Speaker 1: I don't it's just the expert from the sixty Minutes report,
Speaker 1: the CIA, FBI all seem pretty confident that in the
Speaker 1: next twelve day, eighteen months, deep fakes are going to
Speaker 1: be used to influence foreign operations in some way, which
Speaker 1: seems very easy for me to imagine, but also like
Speaker 1: I can't quite figure out like the the exact scenario
Speaker 1: unfortunately nobody else has, but like it does seem like
Speaker 1: it could easily be used to just completely fun everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all it takes is just a fucking
Speaker 1: fake quote from someone, and even if it's debunked, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like just the momentum that people already have
Speaker 1: going in this country. It's like, well, if I want
Speaker 1: to believe that about this person, like I don't give
Speaker 1: a ship because then people would be like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he would say something that it's like what someone's rebuttal
Speaker 1: might be like that's not real, Like that's actually I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but either way either not either way, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got chills from that. Either way, No, not
Speaker 1: fucking either way. Then just tell me what the two
Speaker 1: ways are and tell me why that you're still not
Speaker 1: fucking disturbed or alarmed. But yeah, I just I mean
Speaker 1: that's where I feel like, that's like the lower I
Speaker 1: feel like the lowest hanging fruit before we see something
Speaker 1: like you know, Trump, like you know, doing what messy
Speaker 1: one v one like with a soccer ball or something.
Speaker 1: I would love to see that though, or like Fauci
Speaker 1: like talking about the conspiracy behind the vaccine or something.
Speaker 1: I could definitely see that doing all. It almost feels
Speaker 1: like if like Crank Colors and we're running the show
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and like what we were seeing was
Speaker 1: all just like Crank called after Crank Call, Like there's
Speaker 1: like that stupid video that ruled my childhood. It was
Speaker 1: like that you kicked my dog thing, uh Paul, So
Speaker 1: like that to me was like a fake thing that
Speaker 1: didn't matter because it was like funny. But now it
Speaker 1: feels like that's going to be the standard, and that's
Speaker 1: what people are gonna be like putting money behind because
Speaker 1: they want two like grassroots create like movements, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's it's really it's really sketchy.
Speaker 1: I just saw this sole like non binary universal progressive
Speaker 1: looking at on on the internet that was all about
Speaker 1: like making abortion illegal and protecting the Republicans from passing
Speaker 1: that law in Texas, and it was like, I'm non binary,
Speaker 1: I'm LGBT, I'm this, and I support banning abortion. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like we're just gonna have to get used to
Speaker 1: that of where people are just gonna be putting whatever
Speaker 1: because they think that that's what you want to see.
Speaker 1: Are like they think that that's like the shortcut to
Speaker 1: actually creating a movement, and it's gonna work. It's gonna work.
Speaker 1: That's the funny part. That's the funny part, right, I'm
Speaker 1: a non binary Asian person. I support female camps put
Speaker 1: politic cool dissidence. It's like, wait, what the fun Huh?
Speaker 1: I don't know figured that the messenger was an important
Speaker 1: part now, No, there's still some value. I'm still coming
Speaker 1: to grips with the fact that the racist prank called
Speaker 1: Kirk Paul kick my dog is fake. Apparently Kirk Paul
Speaker 1: never said those things. The future is an Arnold Schwarzenegger soundboard. Frank,
Speaker 1: that's what, Yeah, is the original. I hope you're leaving
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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter amon dot com spelled
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Speaker 1: and of course you get to hear my silky smooth
Speaker 1: voice on it, so plus plus yeah. Yeah. And is
Speaker 1: there a tweet or some of the work social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying. I think I have to give the
Speaker 1: award to a tweet the hate. But it's so funny
Speaker 1: because of what happened afterwards. It was a tweet by
Speaker 1: Josh Mandel of Ohio. I think he's running. He never
Speaker 1: won a race, but he takes Twitter bio. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just looked at it. It says first statewide official
Speaker 1: in Ohio support President Trump. Oh my god, the curinge. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I was a Trump fan. Cool bro, cool identity you have. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he tweeted by by advancing the live critical race theory
Speaker 1: the liberals are stomping on the grave of Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King and so he got quote tweeted by Bernice King
Speaker 1: runs the account be a King, which you should follow,
Speaker 1: by the way, because all she doesn't beat up on
Speaker 1: Republicans for reason Martin Luther King. He said, Dear Josh
Speaker 1: Josh Mandel, Ohio, I invite you, if you truly desire
Speaker 1: to advance the cause of humanity towards true peace, to
Speaker 1: study my father's teachings are full in context, he was
Speaker 1: not a drum major for a color blind society. Justice
Speaker 1: which requires truth about our past and present. Which if
Speaker 1: that wasn't enough, Josh Mandell was like, I want more.
Speaker 1: He tweeted back and he was basically like, no, actually
Speaker 1: that's not your actually actually no, he did that, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was just hilarious. It was a great day for Twitter. Honestly,
Speaker 1: there were most days where out I'm scrolling and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why am I doing this? Why do I have this?
Speaker 1: And then you see something like that and it's like,
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why Twitter exists. Miles, where can we
Speaker 1: find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram?
Speaker 1: At Miles of Gray. Also the other show four twenty
Speaker 1: Day Fiance Talking ninety day with Sophia Alexandra to stop
Speaker 1: by for some laughs. Some tweets that I like. The
Speaker 1: first one is from at Joe Shiappa s h I
Speaker 1: A P p A. It's a six year old son
Speaker 1: points at gatorade in store fridge. Jonah at camp was
Speaker 1: telling me about the blue gatorade. Me, you are not
Speaker 1: drinking gatorade six year old. I didn't say I want
Speaker 1: to drink it. I just heard about it. Then quietly,
Speaker 1: just want to taste the blue blue. Man, this whole
Speaker 1: life up, Just tell me. Another one is a quote
Speaker 1: tweet from at garbage Ape, so quote tweeting an article
Speaker 1: from the Hill where it's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: clothing rack of like you know, Nazi uniforms. It says
Speaker 1: three million euros worth of Nazi memorabilia found in alleged
Speaker 1: pedophiles home, and then garbage Jape said thanks for including alleged.
Speaker 1: So this person's reputation isn't rung. He's great. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. A couple
Speaker 1: tweets I've been enjoying. Lewis Vitell tweeted, I miss Bond
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Speaker 1: perfect And then if you if you way way had
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