Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two or two,
Speaker 1: episode three of The Daily Like Guys and Up, I
Speaker 1: heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, September
Speaker 1: r I p to one of the funniest humans ever,
Speaker 1: Norm McDonald, Damn, that one hurts, and Rudy Giuliani and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump are still alive. Unrelated. My name is Jack
Speaker 1: O'Brien a k. If you like pina coladas and a
Speaker 1: mouthful of pain, if you like sweet gorgon zola and
Speaker 1: alcohol made of grain, if you like throwing up at midnight,
Speaker 1: here's some cheese that is great. That is Curtesy, Here,
Speaker 1: Christy Alma, Gucci Mane, and I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always buy my co ho, Mr Miles Ground, Joline
Speaker 1: Joanne Joanine Jonin. I'm begging of you, please don't peg
Speaker 1: my man um. But that is from handoramic view on
Speaker 1: the discord. I'm pretty sure that's hannassault. This shout out
Speaker 1: you been a minute, I haven't heard from you. Hope
Speaker 1: you're good. The one word switch out that is highly impactful.
Speaker 1: Please don't like my man again to that Dell Curry
Speaker 1: viral thread where younger people were just warning him generationally,
Speaker 1: the dating game has changed. They're pegging out here, pegging
Speaker 1: out here. Also, there was a dress at the met
Speaker 1: gala that was something about like peg Yeah, so pegging
Speaker 1: is being like appropriated as like a feminist thing as
Speaker 1: opposed to just the thing that people like to do.
Speaker 1: It was Carra del Vin. Yeah, so shut up. But
Speaker 1: and mine was in reference to pinut clot of flavored
Speaker 1: cheese that we covered on yesterday's episode. That is a
Speaker 1: thing that exists in physical space for some reason. Well, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined once again by a
Speaker 1: writer who's one of the best podcast hosts and executive
Speaker 1: producers out here doing it in the podcast game. You
Speaker 1: know him from stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 1: ridiculous history. Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Ben Bowling.
Speaker 1: You guys have me back on, Yeah, catch him Bowling
Speaker 1: contractually obligated, you know, because of the heart thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love having a bad looking ak. We were obligated
Speaker 1: to have it by Ben Bowling. It's always the dip
Speaker 1: set song Ben Bowling. Yeah. Anyway, So Chris oh Man, guys, weird, right,
Speaker 1: just talking about time in general. You guys. Know. One,
Speaker 1: I'm so located in the fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 1: One thing. One thing that's weird and new. I got
Speaker 1: my eyes cut up. I got lazic surgery. That's a
Speaker 1: weird thing. There are many more important things happening in
Speaker 1: the world. You've got those crusty patches over your eye,
Speaker 1: like Homer Simpson after he gets the eye surgery and
Speaker 1: the well, but I didn't. I was so I cond
Speaker 1: curse on this one. I was so fucking stupid, man.
Speaker 1: It didn't occur to me until I went under the
Speaker 1: laser that oh yeah, it's eye surgery, which means you
Speaker 1: can't look away, right, And so I had my last minute,
Speaker 1: like I was a total worse about it, and I
Speaker 1: was going, okay, hey, and the surgeon guy, who who
Speaker 1: does you know, does this for a living, probably hears
Speaker 1: this all the time, you know, just like a kid
Speaker 1: who gets scared at the last minute on a royal
Speaker 1: coaster a water slide. So he just went, I know, right,
Speaker 1: and he kept going, I know it's up right, so
Speaker 1: bright and so bright. But that was that was on
Speaker 1: That was on me, you know, we're still over here,
Speaker 1: as people know in the in the South, we're still
Speaker 1: struggling against the governor Brian Kemp suppressions. Very real thing
Speaker 1: I know out out you guys way there's a recall.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, man. Walked to my local elementary school
Speaker 1: yesterday as I do every day. Um no, that's not true,
Speaker 1: but that is. Yeah, voted, had a nice little walk,
Speaker 1: felt very neighborhood lee it was. It was nice. Oh
Speaker 1: you actually you went to you filled your ballot out there.
Speaker 1: You didn't drop the physical space. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: always get nervous about the mail mail system, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: all of them, because all the fraud going on. Right, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I saw I saw those big palettes of votes that
Speaker 1: were being delivered for Yeah. Yeah, I'm about to I
Speaker 1: gotta go drop mine off. I'm a bike over to
Speaker 1: the one of the parks, like every park near me
Speaker 1: has a Like it's the easiest thing. I more like,
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to figure out which park to go
Speaker 1: to to drop off this ballot, but also get steps in.
Speaker 1: You know that was important. All right, step it up,
Speaker 1: step it up. Do you guys hear do you guys
Speaker 1: hear about those uh I can't remember which state it
Speaker 1: was in, but I think on the GOP side, people
Speaker 1: were putting out fake ballot drop boxes. Yeah, during the
Speaker 1: during the presidential election, right, yeah, yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: felt like there was something like that in Texas that happened.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm sure that's gonna fucking be somewhat
Speaker 1: normal because Republicans, like their whole thing is basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: the election was stolen there, like you won that one.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Okay, they just don't have they don't have
Speaker 1: the numbers, so they're an insurgency and they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out different ways to cheat. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: do bad is that I'm measured by? Like how much
Speaker 1: like like weird non FDA approved COVID treatments you can
Speaker 1: down physically to make up for the Bawston numbers? Uh Joe,
Speaker 1: Uh Joe. Yeah, Well that is gonna be the first
Speaker 1: story we talked about. Ben. We're gonna get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better in a moment, but first,
Speaker 1: just a quick run through what we've got coming up.
Speaker 1: It is too late for you to vote, but the
Speaker 1: voting happened yesterday as you listen to this today, as
Speaker 1: we record it, and you know, we don't know who won,
Speaker 1: what the turnout was, like all that good stuff. But
Speaker 1: Larry Elder apparently does because he's already claiming that newsome
Speaker 1: one and cheated. So that's that's kind of a while.
Speaker 1: Come on, just like on the playground, like being like
Speaker 1: you're cheated, like before the first shot is taken, like
Speaker 1: in basketball or something. What huh. While you're checking it up,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Facebook. There's some Facebook leaks that
Speaker 1: are the Wall Street Journal is publishing, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about what those reveal. Uh, We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the revelation in the new Bob Woodward book about just
Speaker 1: like kind of the final days of the Trump administration,
Speaker 1: just how upside down everything was, how close we came
Speaker 1: to maybe going to war just to kind of make
Speaker 1: him feel better. We'll talk about Rudy Giuliani. I mean,
Speaker 1: this could be we might have to do an entire
Speaker 1: week on Rudy Giuliani's nine eleven speech. But on on
Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven, for this man went
Speaker 1: out there and really he put one on and then
Speaker 1: put one on all of us. So we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that we're gonna talk about the activist, the new
Speaker 1: reality show that fuck all of that plenty more. But first, Ben,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guest, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? Uh? So recently, you guys know,
Speaker 1: I do a show about critical thinking applied to conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Recently I did an episode that had me deep in
Speaker 1: the world of cheese, which I know sounds boring, but
Speaker 1: it goes it goes with your excellent a k a
Speaker 1: earlier Jack. So it turns out I got this, uh
Speaker 1: got this lead from someone who rode into the show
Speaker 1: and and said, Hey, it's got a weird that people
Speaker 1: in the US eat so much cheese, right, And so
Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know, man, I'm very I'm very
Speaker 1: pro cheese, you know. And man, where do you get off? Sir?
Speaker 1: That was the end of the conversation. Yeah you did
Speaker 1: not look at anything? Yeah, yeah, I wake. Gigs are
Speaker 1: so quick, you know. I was like, what's your phone number?
Speaker 1: And I called him and I was like, where the
Speaker 1: funk are you at? Are? But uh, but but what
Speaker 1: I found out was quite interesting. It turns out there
Speaker 1: is a real big cheese there. There is a cheese conspiracy.
Speaker 1: A cheese spiracy to make people eat more cheese, and
Speaker 1: it dates back to like the power of the dairy
Speaker 1: industry in the nineteen twenties and thirties. Uh, and there
Speaker 1: is a concerted effort to push the public into consuming
Speaker 1: more cheese, even if the US public doesn't particularly want it,
Speaker 1: because they got all this excess milk, right, so they
Speaker 1: have to turn it to something that can stay at
Speaker 1: a wol for longer. And then they have a bunch
Speaker 1: of cheese and they're like, what are we going to
Speaker 1: do with this cheese? So a semi like I guess
Speaker 1: you'd call it private public thing called the National Milk
Speaker 1: Producers Federation and then the National Dairy Promotion Board. They
Speaker 1: get to be a lot of acronyms, but what they
Speaker 1: essentially did is they started sending scientists to these various companies,
Speaker 1: you know, like Taco Bell and any pizza place, and
Speaker 1: they were infiltrating it. And their whole job was to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, what would be badass here if
Speaker 1: you just put just put some more cheese on it,
Speaker 1: you know, unfo only they weren't wrong. That was that
Speaker 1: did make it better, But yeah, this was there's we
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before on the show that like
Speaker 1: the Michael Moss, this investigative reporter wrote a book called
Speaker 1: Salt Sugar Fat about like the history of how fast
Speaker 1: food companies and just all food companies used science to
Speaker 1: basically make food addictive, which is the real reason that
Speaker 1: we have the problem a lot of the health problems
Speaker 1: that we do. But one of the details, one of
Speaker 1: the stories was like they had a surplus beat when
Speaker 1: skim milk got popular. They had a surplus of milk
Speaker 1: fat stored in like caves that were like cold, and
Speaker 1: they just, like you basically got rid of it by
Speaker 1: like getting Dominoes to like add extra cheese on their
Speaker 1: food and ship exactly. Yes, yes, dude, it's it's all
Speaker 1: the work of something called dairy Management ink and uh at.
Speaker 1: Since they started, you know, like getting into just in
Speaker 1: Taco Bell, for instance, since they started getting involved with
Speaker 1: that company, cheese used increased, which is nuts because Taco
Speaker 1: Bell is already very much about cheese. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean that as a ding. I'm bro you know, put
Speaker 1: more of that ship on. I'm part of the problem now,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, because they took away the Mexi milk
Speaker 1: that had a lot of cheese in it and the
Speaker 1: Mexican pizza anyway. But that's funny is like at the
Speaker 1: end of eighteen there was that story that like we
Speaker 1: had over like almost one point four billion pounds of
Speaker 1: surplus cheese just stockpiled in the US because they're like
Speaker 1: what the fuck which And they all can point to
Speaker 1: the fact that people are drinking less milk so they're
Speaker 1: having to make more cheese to be like, well, we
Speaker 1: can just throw this ship away, and it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: why don't you ramp this ship down? Yeah, than just
Speaker 1: sitting We're not going to hit a point where we're
Speaker 1: like guys that are strategic cheese stockpiles running low, Like
Speaker 1: come on now. I mean. The one of the like
Speaker 1: big kind of facts that we know about American diet
Speaker 1: that is like kind of un disputable is that heart
Speaker 1: disease went down during World War Two because of dairy
Speaker 1: rations like like across the board. And the dairy industry
Speaker 1: is powerful enough that they just got that ship shut
Speaker 1: down so that it wasn't a big story. But yeah,
Speaker 1: tut up to the dairy farmers, the less overtly sinister
Speaker 1: big oil of America. Yeah, what is uh what's something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? You know. I was going through
Speaker 1: my list of overrated things, which is alphabetical, and I
Speaker 1: got I got to for you. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we'll we'll agree on the first one, but I think
Speaker 1: the met Gala this year struck me destruct me as
Speaker 1: kind of disassociated from the world. And I felt bad
Speaker 1: because I love museums. But I was like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of other ship going on, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: so much money involved in this, and could that money
Speaker 1: go some more else? So maybe it's just me being
Speaker 1: a curmudgeon. I don't know, what what do you guys
Speaker 1: think about that? Like, I don't want to be people
Speaker 1: should do what they want with their money, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's it's kind of high roading folks
Speaker 1: to say like, oh how much did that cost to
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And I loved I loved
Speaker 1: the AOC dress tax the rich, right, And there was
Speaker 1: there was another one we were talking about earlier that
Speaker 1: what was that there was another patriarchy? Yes, yeah, that one.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I felt like maybe there was
Speaker 1: a disconnected felt a little like Hunger Games with all
Speaker 1: the stuff people have been through. Absolutely. I feel like
Speaker 1: the mecal is always uh you know when the like
Speaker 1: most wealthy like are like, okay, let's this is where
Speaker 1: we get to dress up like the Capital and Hunger Games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do It's called one percent or Halloween. Yeah in
Speaker 1: New York every year. It's not for poor people as
Speaker 1: you can't afford a ticket or whatever it cause. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's you know, everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: do what they can do, something seem meaningful, other things
Speaker 1: like you know, at the same time, like just me personally,
Speaker 1: I'm not as interested in the met galas that used
Speaker 1: to be. So I forgot it happened until I saw
Speaker 1: the pictures. Gonna be like all right, right, right, right
Speaker 1: right right, yeah, yeah, I don't know what the who
Speaker 1: the audience is exactly. Yeah. I mean that's a good
Speaker 1: point again, Like I'm I love museums, and the first
Speaker 1: thing I did was I had not really known much
Speaker 1: about this event, and so I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: what are they raising money for? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because if they're raising money for like literacy, or they're
Speaker 1: raising money to combat to zis or something, then I'm
Speaker 1: the one being an asshole, right, So I had to
Speaker 1: had to check that real quick, and it goes to
Speaker 1: is fundraising for the Costume Institute of the met Anyway,
Speaker 1: I I shouldn't yuck somebody's yum, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The fashion is important and cool and like a totally
Speaker 1: valid art form. And yes, thank like historic fashions are
Speaker 1: are very interesting. Um, they got like seven centuries worth
Speaker 1: in their collections. So it's I think it's a repository
Speaker 1: of some amazing human feats, which is why I had
Speaker 1: a second answer for overrated. And I'm sure it's something
Speaker 1: that's been on the show before. It's definitely not a
Speaker 1: hot take. I think monarchies are overrated. Again, I stopped
Speaker 1: with the ms on the list, just like in general,
Speaker 1: monarchies I feel like are overrated. And a lot of
Speaker 1: folks who live in monarchical societies have very clearly told
Speaker 1: me that they disagree with that. With that idea, yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's this symbolism, you know, and there's this culture,
Speaker 1: there's this tradition, this defines our you know, group identity
Speaker 1: or whatever. But also I have to point out there
Speaker 1: are some there are some royals who would tend to
Speaker 1: agree with that because they left in the case of
Speaker 1: the UK, right, they to Canada, I think, and California, California,
Speaker 1: and I I don't know, you know, maybe one of
Speaker 1: my friends was telling me I was being a jerk
Speaker 1: about this because he was like, you know what it is, dude,
Speaker 1: I think you're just mad that you weren't born into
Speaker 1: a monarchy because they would be all about it. They
Speaker 1: hate us because they us. I had, Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a moment during the Trump presidency where I started wondering
Speaker 1: if monarchies are better because they like separate out the
Speaker 1: pageant tree and like the like there's something almost like
Speaker 1: spiritual about like the what like the role of the
Speaker 1: monarchy and it. But they're completely powerless, which is like
Speaker 1: now nowadays, which I think is nice, so that you
Speaker 1: just have bureaucrats who are in the leadership roles and
Speaker 1: not somebody who, like you, are trying to ascribe this
Speaker 1: like religious like aura around which I think. America has
Speaker 1: the monarchy and the prime minister role kind of combined
Speaker 1: into a single position and the president and that's the
Speaker 1: first country. Yeah. But yeah, also the monarchy is kind
Speaker 1: of weird. It's kind of weird. I mean get the
Speaker 1: same problems either way, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: no matter who you think is empower, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: information out there to tell you who is really empower
Speaker 1: And then you go from there because it's it seems
Speaker 1: like they're no one is like seems more or less
Speaker 1: susceptible to this kind of stuff. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, I gotta marriage. Yeah, we have like
Speaker 1: ours is like the first family, and that it's just
Speaker 1: put in. Everyone just thinks that no one can do
Speaker 1: wrong there because president, like there is this weird default
Speaker 1: that the president could never do anything wrong when you
Speaker 1: say things like presidents are most they're you know, their
Speaker 1: war criminals if you really look at paper, oh at all, Like,
Speaker 1: let's not talk about it, not my president. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: there's a reason that the US has never agreed to
Speaker 1: giving the International Criminal Court any sort of jurisdiction and
Speaker 1: pump the brakes real quick if the conversation ever gets
Speaker 1: within a mile of that direction. But I like, I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. There's also definitely a valid argument
Speaker 1: that the US and practice is an aristocracy. It has
Speaker 1: a lot of aristocratic values, you know, like to your point,
Speaker 1: miles follow the money to find the power. Things like that.
Speaker 1: It goes quickly into some cynical, possibly conspiratorial territory, but
Speaker 1: that does not make it untrue. And and you know that, Jack,
Speaker 1: the thing about that powerless you say, we're relatively toothless
Speaker 1: idea of a monarchy, like a constitutional monarchy or some
Speaker 1: other kind of coveyotted monarchy. If I remember the law correctly.
Speaker 1: In the case of the United Kingdom, the queen in
Speaker 1: technically do a lot of stuff like can make a
Speaker 1: degree or can change a lot, but it's freezed some
Speaker 1: something like comma, with the understanding that they won't actually
Speaker 1: do this, right, which is yeah. I mean that was
Speaker 1: the Earl of Montbotten in The Crown, like the last
Speaker 1: season of The Crown, there was a like planned coup
Speaker 1: that they were trying to get like this very popular
Speaker 1: ish like lord aristocrat to organize, but they would need
Speaker 1: the sign off of the Queen, which seems crazy, like
Speaker 1: if we got the queen, we're good. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not it's not perfect, but in practice, what
Speaker 1: is what something you think is underrage? Alright, it happened.
Speaker 1: I played Dungeons and Dragons that it's awesome. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I I know it depends on you know, the personalities
Speaker 1: of folks you you interact with, right, But it was
Speaker 1: it was a pretty cool experience for me because I
Speaker 1: growing up was not super good with we're at people.
Speaker 1: So the only time I played Dungeons and Dragons, and
Speaker 1: this is a true story, I had I had the
Speaker 1: books and I made up like four characters, and then
Speaker 1: I played the game by myself, which was the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: So it's different when there are other people and I
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna end up being like, you know, like a mover
Speaker 1: and shooter in the world of Dungeons and Dragons, if
Speaker 1: such a thing exists. But but yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was cool, and I was I was surprised. So
Speaker 1: if anybody else has played that game, I would I
Speaker 1: would be interested in hearing their experiences. I mean, Miles,
Speaker 1: when I said that, you gotta you were like, What's
Speaker 1: what's going on? I was just thinking of like how
Speaker 1: I as a kid, I remember there, I had like
Speaker 1: older family friends I would play it, and I was
Speaker 1: just too young to like have the pay like imagination
Speaker 1: or will to endure, like what was happening. So I
Speaker 1: remember being like, man, fuck, I'm gonna play sucking duck hunt,
Speaker 1: like you can keep up with this ship. And then
Speaker 1: like later on, like when I would see actual people
Speaker 1: like having fun, and I was like, oh damn, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I missed that boat. I mean, I played
Speaker 1: magic the Gathering. That was probably the closest I got
Speaker 1: to that kind of thing. But I feel like you'd
Speaker 1: make a good dungeon master, you know, with your voice
Speaker 1: and stuff, like if you will you say you're not
Speaker 1: a mover and shaker. They're like, come on, man, hit
Speaker 1: us with those sultry tones. Thank you, thank you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I have the experience though, the only
Speaker 1: thing that I ever knew about Dungeons and Dragons I
Speaker 1: learned from Mazes and Monsters, the Tom Hanks movie in
Speaker 1: which Dungeons and Dragons kills somebody, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's more than enough. Thank you. Not be
Speaker 1: partaking too risky from me. Yeah, But I actually just
Speaker 1: watched ET again, and the beginning of that is Elliott,
Speaker 1: who's just like the cutest kid that's ever been on camera,
Speaker 1: like in a movie before. But he's uh like too
Speaker 1: young to play dungeons and dragons with his older brother
Speaker 1: and his older brothers friends. That was just me to
Speaker 1: you man. All right, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we'll come right back. And we're back. And so the
Speaker 1: California recall officially happened yesterday, but the day before that,
Speaker 1: I believe Larry Elder, the person who is most likely
Speaker 1: to unseat Gavin Newsom if Gavin Newsom does get voted out,
Speaker 1: had already published a web page that was claiming that
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom cheated when he won the election. That hadn't
Speaker 1: happened yet, So okay, getting in front of it, you know,
Speaker 1: said before, I suspect there will be shenanigans in that
Speaker 1: we are mathematically outnumbered by almost two to one. That's shenanigans,
Speaker 1: not math. And then this whole thing is like their
Speaker 1: their point by point thing of like on his anti
Speaker 1: anti voter fraud website, there's just this line that says,
Speaker 1: these annun statistical analyzes have detected fraud in California. We're
Speaker 1: just quote resulting in Governor Gavin Newson being reinstated as governor.
Speaker 1: She came out Monday, So a lot of people are like, sure,
Speaker 1: I guess this is just purely how things are gonna
Speaker 1: be run for like like Trumpist type GOP candidates. And again,
Speaker 1: this is like the the bad I would say trend
Speaker 1: for Republicans because they're showing now that they're not always
Speaker 1: like these nailed on winners that they were like while
Speaker 1: Trump was in office. That like, especially in something that's
Speaker 1: like competitive and requires you to actually appeal to someone
Speaker 1: who isn't just your maga base just saying stuff like oh,
Speaker 1: like you know, he said like women aren't as smart
Speaker 1: as men, or like there's no uh, there's no fucking
Speaker 1: wage gap between the genders, or sing like that they're
Speaker 1: not you're you're You're starting to make the filter a
Speaker 1: bit finer, and not many people are going to be
Speaker 1: part of the movement, so you know this is again
Speaker 1: but again this is also a very trumpy move which
Speaker 1: is sort of like predict your loss and then just
Speaker 1: already be ready to explain it away because it wasn't
Speaker 1: your fault. It's because of fraud and hacking and things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean all claims that his base is going
Speaker 1: to fully believe and react to as though the election
Speaker 1: was stolen, like it's, uh, this is like a real,
Speaker 1: a real problem as long as we like have the
Speaker 1: major structures in place that we currently do. Where like,
Speaker 1: as you said yesterday, Miles, like there there is a
Speaker 1: huge portion of the population that gets there news from
Speaker 1: Facebook groups and that is going to continue to be
Speaker 1: a problem until that's no longer the case. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even look at like the people who are
Speaker 1: willing to believe or the Elder's allegations right even before
Speaker 1: they've even been born out by like reporting the results
Speaker 1: of the election. It's it's all the Q and on supporters.
Speaker 1: They are definitely there. Apparently there's like a Q drop
Speaker 1: from eighteen that said something about like when are we
Speaker 1: going to talk about voter fraud in California? And they
Speaker 1: have all many Q and On believers have hung on
Speaker 1: to that to say, like, see this is what this
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about. This is because in in
Speaker 1: the conspiracy, California is actually like there's more Republicans than
Speaker 1: Democrats in California according to them, So like the only
Speaker 1: way Democrats win California is because of cheating. Because they
Speaker 1: know this places some lib hot spot is America, so
Speaker 1: they're they're thinking here is that Okay? Got it? If
Speaker 1: we if like looking at this election and Larry Elder's
Speaker 1: exposing fraud, that is going to be the domino piece
Speaker 1: that triggers Trump being reinstated, because if we prove there's
Speaker 1: fraud in California, then that will extend to the general action,
Speaker 1: in which case there could be electoral votes that could
Speaker 1: have gone to Trump, and which means that they have
Speaker 1: to look at the other states and that it can
Speaker 1: only be one outcome. So they've wrapped up their own
Speaker 1: like fantasies into even this recall election. So is it
Speaker 1: like the conspiracy is so deep that Republicans are disguising
Speaker 1: themselves as Democrats when they vote in California? Like, how
Speaker 1: does the is the math conspiracy? Man? They don't need to,
Speaker 1: Like everyone I know is a Republican, So how come
Speaker 1: they're not asking me how how many lives do you know?
Speaker 1: Like really exactly like purple hair, I don't barely see
Speaker 1: them out. And also all of their friends on Facebook,
Speaker 1: Like Facebook, as we're going to talk about an Instagram
Speaker 1: and Twitter, they are filtering everything down to like minded
Speaker 1: people posting about things that you agree with. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: other thing is, you know the even like there are
Speaker 1: some you know, Ann's the believers out there that are
Speaker 1: like on the ground, and they're kind of like bummed
Speaker 1: up by the fact that they're not seeing any fraud.
Speaker 1: This one person posted and informs the quote, I'm working
Speaker 1: in the election. So far, I have not spotted any
Speaker 1: physical fraud in my county. Most workers are trying their best,
Speaker 1: but I'm very suspicious of dominion devoting machine maker, like
Speaker 1: that's all they could kind of give to be like,
Speaker 1: but I'm suspicious of this machine. And then other people
Speaker 1: are starting to scratch their little woolen heads with confusion
Speaker 1: because they say, so, now we need a third time.
Speaker 1: We have November three, we have the Georgia Senate runoffs.
Speaker 1: Now we need California. Is there a point that around
Speaker 1: here that the question can be raised. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: patriots are in control. Are we the sheep? Oh? Boy,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I mean, are we the
Speaker 1: sheep for letting this go on? Are Are we the
Speaker 1: ones being gas lit? Yes? But not by the people
Speaker 1: you think. Yeah, but we're also taking those taking those suggestions,
Speaker 1: are taking those que drops. As you can imagine if
Speaker 1: at the end of corresponding about this and that that's
Speaker 1: such a vague thing to say, like the state that
Speaker 1: would be legitimately one of the world's top five economies
Speaker 1: if it were an independent country is going to have
Speaker 1: complications with voting. Okay, nostro damas you know. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like, that's I think it's ridiculous to treat that
Speaker 1: as though it is somehow prescient or specific. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they'll be I think they'll be disappointed. It's funny,
Speaker 1: how I mean. The pulling seemed to suggest that there
Speaker 1: was really very difficult for the recall effort to be
Speaker 1: pulled off by who knows. And yet I feel not
Speaker 1: confident at all that when people are listening to this
Speaker 1: that won't be like Elder pulls it off, Like God,
Speaker 1: no one up Zeking is like, guys, I wish I
Speaker 1: could be back there with you all yesterday, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the pre Elder world. Well, let's talk about Facebook, because,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, it's all related the Wall Street journalism,
Speaker 1: the process of publishing a bunch of internal documents from
Speaker 1: Facebook that basically confirm what we've suspected from the outside.
Speaker 1: But what Facebook, you know, goes out of their way
Speaker 1: to deny which I can't hear you hearing what was
Speaker 1: a question? So the last two drops basically center around
Speaker 1: the practice of white listing certain v i P accounts
Speaker 1: and not like a handful, like five million, I believe
Speaker 1: it is over five minutes. And then also just they're
Speaker 1: fully aware of the harm that is being caused by
Speaker 1: Instagram to young people. Yeah, and it's like again people
Speaker 1: can looked at Facebook and said, why is this account
Speaker 1: allowed to post this? Like, and many people been like,
Speaker 1: I've had ship taken down because I said Happy Birthday, like,
Speaker 1: and they thought something was up. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: someone can put stuff like just straight up misinformation. And
Speaker 1: it turns out there they had of a program called
Speaker 1: cross check or x check, which was meant to be
Speaker 1: like a quality control initiative program too, you know, like
Speaker 1: that was like made to sort of make sure that
Speaker 1: high profiles or high profile accounts weren't getting damed by
Speaker 1: like you know, just sort of like they're they're less
Speaker 1: than refined like sort of algorithmic process of content moderation.
Speaker 1: But really what this ended up doing is that it
Speaker 1: just sort of took a lot of these v i
Speaker 1: P users, which are like celebrities politicians, journalists, athletes, and
Speaker 1: it just shielded them from the normal enforcement process. And
Speaker 1: so like you know, these some of these people that
Speaker 1: were like white listed, which means like there was no
Speaker 1: they can't get got by any of the enforcement things
Speaker 1: we're doing. Things like for example, there you know nymur
Speaker 1: the soccer player. It allowed him to show nude photos
Speaker 1: of a woman who had accused him of rape to
Speaker 1: tens of millions of his fans before the content was
Speaker 1: moved by Facebook. It was on Instagram, was shared a ton,
Speaker 1: and people like this is at the very least revenge born,
Speaker 1: like whatever, however you want to take the details of
Speaker 1: the allegations, like this can't stand. But it was because
Speaker 1: he's a huge account and it was white listed. Other
Speaker 1: white listed accounts in the past have said things like
Speaker 1: vaccines are deadly, or Hillary Clinton covered up pedophile rings
Speaker 1: quote unquote. These are the kinds of sort of stories
Speaker 1: that you see that are on Facebook but just fall
Speaker 1: through because some people's stature is just so high that
Speaker 1: they don't want to get involved. Because and one of
Speaker 1: the slides and these like internal presentations, there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of back and forth between the employees of Facebook
Speaker 1: and like the board and things like that. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that it seems clear is that this
Speaker 1: whole process of white listing these bigger accounts was because
Speaker 1: they wanted to avoid quote pr fires her fires. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: that is how they deal with everything, right, is they
Speaker 1: let a fucking genocide happen, like where they are the
Speaker 1: primary tool that is being used, and then they apologize
Speaker 1: for it, they put out the fire. But it's always reactive.
Speaker 1: It's never thinking in any complex way about how their
Speaker 1: platform is being used. Because you know, it's like with
Speaker 1: if Candice Owen's wants to post some inflammatory nonsense, it'll
Speaker 1: it'll cook for a second before they do anything, because
Speaker 1: to them, that's better than them doing something. And then
Speaker 1: her saying, Facebook is you know, fucking censoring us, and
Speaker 1: that's alid like they they have completely abdicated any sense
Speaker 1: of responsibility over their platform, and what the you know,
Speaker 1: the byproducts are of this and like lack of enforcement,
Speaker 1: it's it's nuts. But two, because the what I think
Speaker 1: that's a really astute explanation because one of the things
Speaker 1: that I immediately thought was, Okay, they're trying to keep
Speaker 1: their social media high rollers happy. If you look at
Speaker 1: social media like a casino. So they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: bend the rules because they get added like credibility and
Speaker 1: clout for being the the Internet home of of celebrity.
Speaker 1: It does not matter who or whom, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what, you know, the politicians views are. This also
Speaker 1: was terrible timing on their side because I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys noticed this. Facebook came out with some super creepy
Speaker 1: glasses recently right there, it's their take on the Google glass,
Speaker 1: and so that one of the big deals is, you know,
Speaker 1: what happens with this information is this camera off? And
Speaker 1: the issue is that that kind of technology could be
Speaker 1: amazing in the future, but it's kind of a poison
Speaker 1: pill for it to come from Facebook, which yet again
Speaker 1: got caught out red handed being extremely duplicitous. You know,
Speaker 1: and any time you ask, like you guys said, anytime
Speaker 1: someone asked or tries to hold the organization accountable, it's
Speaker 1: always huh Is that an interesting question? Let me explain
Speaker 1: why if Facebook is a metaverse company and more than
Speaker 1: a social media what no I asked you if this
Speaker 1: if you know, if it's doing harm to young children?
Speaker 1: So the metaverse is this, but this is their whole
Speaker 1: strategy is they know what's happening and then when they're
Speaker 1: in public, you just downplay the funk out of it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that could be clearer, especially as
Speaker 1: it relates to the second you know drop of documents,
Speaker 1: which had to do with their own research into Instagram
Speaker 1: and its negative effects on Team Girls. They've out loud
Speaker 1: many times We've heard things like, you know there, this
Speaker 1: this is probably a broader issue, but do you know
Speaker 1: that I don't know what the exact connection is. We
Speaker 1: we have done some research, but it's you know, we're
Speaker 1: not it's we're not troubled by it. Meanwhile, internally, they
Speaker 1: are showing people slides that say social comparison is worse
Speaker 1: on Instagram because they're saying that sort of They did
Speaker 1: a dive into teen girl body image issues and different platforms,
Speaker 1: saying that TikTok is short video and it's grounded in performance,
Speaker 1: while users on Snapchat is about you know there. They
Speaker 1: have jokey filters that keep the focus on the face,
Speaker 1: in contrast Instagram and focused heavily on the body and lifestyle.
Speaker 1: The features that Instagram identifies as most harmful to teens
Speaker 1: appear to be at the platform's core. The tendency to
Speaker 1: share only the best moments, a pressure to look perfect,
Speaker 1: and an addictive product can send teams spiraling toward eating disorders,
Speaker 1: an unhealthy sense of their own bodies, and depression. According
Speaker 1: to their internal research, it warns that the Explore page,
Speaker 1: which serves users photos and videos curated by an algorithm,
Speaker 1: can send users deep into content that can be harmful
Speaker 1: and the for anybody who's like, well, at least they're
Speaker 1: doing the research and looking at this stuff the way.
Speaker 1: Article after article about the internal culture of Facebook reveals
Speaker 1: that the person who does this research and brings it
Speaker 1: to them or initiates the research in the first place,
Speaker 1: that person gets ignored. Their projects don't get funded. The
Speaker 1: person who introduces the thing that boosts you know, how
Speaker 1: much time people are spending on the app, or like
Speaker 1: how much they're interacting with a feat for those are
Speaker 1: the people that get promoted. And it's just it's a
Speaker 1: completely like at a cellular at the like level of
Speaker 1: DNA of the company is just incapable of doing the
Speaker 1: right thing on this isn't there argument also something like gosh,
Speaker 1: this is really complicated. Okay, we've got a lot of
Speaker 1: like competing voices where we're hearing them out, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: and we're we're you know, we're comparing these things very carefully,
Speaker 1: like all the kind of you know, weasley things I
Speaker 1: hear you type things to say. But it sounds to
Speaker 1: me if this is if this is a pattern that
Speaker 1: has been similar to other companies in the past, like
Speaker 1: maybe oil companies or tobacco companies. Uh, And I don't
Speaker 1: think that's an unfair comparison. If it's similar to the
Speaker 1: way they handled research, then it sounds like they're looking
Speaker 1: for that needle in the haystack thing that kind of furthers,
Speaker 1: you know, their ideology or the way would like to
Speaker 1: be portrayed in public. So they'll go past ninety nine
Speaker 1: studies that all agree to find one that says like, well,
Speaker 1: Instagram is actually you know, good for capabaras or something.
Speaker 1: I do think it makes your body stronger. And I
Speaker 1: do think comparisons to tobacco and even fast food, even
Speaker 1: though like the food industry is still you know, basically
Speaker 1: doing doing bad things. But I think it almost understates
Speaker 1: the problem because of how these social media companies have
Speaker 1: basically taken over advertising, which is such a massive industry
Speaker 1: and like change the face of just like how companies
Speaker 1: think about like consumers. It's going to be incredibly difficult
Speaker 1: to reverse any of this. And it's also a problem
Speaker 1: that shows up in people's mental health, and mental health
Speaker 1: is not a thing that you can like draw one
Speaker 1: to one comparison to, like you can on like smoking
Speaker 1: causing cancer. You know, it's kind it'll be easy for
Speaker 1: them to come up with their own research problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that was the thing when you know, Zuckerberg was
Speaker 1: up and testifying in front of the Senate, they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: can we see your research into this topic, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're really curious from your perspective what you're seeing.
Speaker 1: And later on they got this letter that had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with what they asked for, and they said,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about the metaverse many challenges with conducting
Speaker 1: research in this space. Quote we are not aware of
Speaker 1: a consensus among studies or experts about how much screen
Speaker 1: time is too much? Okay. They also told the senitors
Speaker 1: that their internal research is proprietary and quote kept confidential
Speaker 1: to promote frank and open dialogue and brainstorming internally. Even
Speaker 1: though these leak dialogue show. There was no frank and
Speaker 1: open dialogue. It was like and right, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just so you know, they know what they're doing and
Speaker 1: they keep doing it. You know. I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: else will find out during the course of all these
Speaker 1: like as this investigation kind of plays out from the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, but I'll be shocked if it's anything positive.
Speaker 1: And you'd hope that for people who have the responsibility
Speaker 1: to look at things like this to regulate them, you'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, Yeah, they don't give a fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just they just see how much revenue they get
Speaker 1: from advertising and it doesn't matter. And it's and I
Speaker 1: get why it's a lucrative product for people who make products,
Speaker 1: because the way Facebook says, like, you know, I can
Speaker 1: get in the fucking head of the most specific person
Speaker 1: right now, who you want to sell this orange basketball
Speaker 1: to someone who's five three and is a polyglot with
Speaker 1: who went to college on the West Coast say less?
Speaker 1: And and what's the fucking point anyway? Like it's because
Speaker 1: and we talk, I mean, it's like a trope on
Speaker 1: Twitter all the time and on social media everyone laughs
Speaker 1: about it's like, oh my god, man, I just bought
Speaker 1: n things off Instagram or like these Instagram ads or
Speaker 1: fucking like they're speaking right into my head. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they've built all this psychographic data through the platform. Yeah
Speaker 1: that every time like that happens, you are basically losing
Speaker 1: free will, handing it over to Facebook basically to make
Speaker 1: decisions for you. And you know, I'm not begrudging people
Speaker 1: for making that choice, but it just sucks. It's a
Speaker 1: shitty situation that we found ourselves in. It's a shifty
Speaker 1: choice to have to make in the first thing, you know,
Speaker 1: And and uh, I would highly highly recommend checking into
Speaker 1: ad blockers. They're they're different extensions. You can get that will.
Speaker 1: They used to take them away all all entirely, right,
Speaker 1: but they can at least mitigate some of that experience.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: way to like screw the lid of Pandora's jar back
Speaker 1: on in this regard, like social media has replaced so
Speaker 1: many things for people. In some cases, it's replaced human interaction.
Speaker 1: In some cases it's replaced like your source of news,
Speaker 1: and it is it is profit driven, right, It's it's
Speaker 1: not for the people aren't thinking how can this pervasive
Speaker 1: persuasive technology make the world a better place. They're not
Speaker 1: thinking about that. They're like, who who would buy this?
Speaker 1: But day you guys think, is it is that guy
Speaker 1: from earlier? Say less m Yeah, that turns out with me.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back. I just saw a quote
Speaker 1: from Governor Newsome's team that says, no scenario we lose.
Speaker 1: So I can basically take that to mean that that
Speaker 1: they have lost by the time you're listening to this
Speaker 1: and apologies to the future. All right, let's talk really
Speaker 1: briefly about the latest revelations in this Woodward book Peril,
Speaker 1: about the kind of transition from Trump to Biden. One
Speaker 1: of the revelations is that China was convinced that because
Speaker 1: Trump was getting belligerent just leading into the election, as
Speaker 1: he kind of faced the possibility that you might lose,
Speaker 1: that you know, the US government was unstable, the transfer
Speaker 1: of power was up in the air, and he was,
Speaker 1: you know, starting to talk about starting a war with
Speaker 1: China or Iran, and to the point that one of
Speaker 1: the generals had to call his Chinese counterpart and say,
Speaker 1: this is a quote I want to assure you that
Speaker 1: the American government is stable and everything is going to
Speaker 1: be okay. We are not going to attack or conduct
Speaker 1: any kinetic operations against you. That ship was so first
Speaker 1: of all, that's just like what what you say, like
Speaker 1: that sounds like a publicist talking about about a person
Speaker 1: who was just like, you know, been checked in somewhere.
Speaker 1: But that was before the attacks of January six, at
Speaker 1: which point they were certain something bad was going to
Speaker 1: happen because they were witnessing what was clearly an attempted coup.
Speaker 1: To everyone outside of the country, I feel like because
Speaker 1: we still live in this country with like Fox News
Speaker 1: and Trump supporters were probably like uniquely insulated from the
Speaker 1: truth of like how dangerous that situation was. But after
Speaker 1: January six, China was freaking the funk out and the
Speaker 1: military had to like actually make changes to delay military exercises.
Speaker 1: So in this second call to address Chinese fears about
Speaker 1: the events of January six, General Milly promised, we are
Speaker 1: one steady, everything's fine, but democracy can be sloppy sometimes,
Speaker 1: and that didn't want they were still rattled. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: also felt the need after that call to confirm with
Speaker 1: the people responsible for physically launching nuclear weapons that he
Speaker 1: had to be involved with the process, Like he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so just so we're clear, let's run it through. He
Speaker 1: could come in here start telling you to launch nowkes
Speaker 1: at China, but you have to bring me into the
Speaker 1: room too, like I have to be involved in that conversation.
Speaker 1: And so and by the way, this is somebody that
Speaker 1: was appointed by Trump, so this is not a deep
Speaker 1: state actor from like the Obama administration. The head of
Speaker 1: the CIA also a Trump point. He was of the
Speaker 1: opinion that America was on the way to a right
Speaker 1: wing coup. So yeah, it was as bad as it
Speaker 1: as it looked. Basically, is what is what you're hearing?
Speaker 1: Like literally, this is a quote the CIA director Gina
Speaker 1: Haspell instance reportedly told Milly quote, we are on the
Speaker 1: way to a right wing coup. So yeah, oh what
Speaker 1: do you know, Gina Haspell, your black site operator, I
Speaker 1: know a thing or two about seeing a coup. Okay,
Speaker 1: yea the one thing that is that sort of ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true. Everybody outside of the United States, I knew
Speaker 1: that they agreed, right, No one was ever like nobody
Speaker 1: was saying, well, you know, democracy can be sloppy. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they're like, right, what the funk is happening over there?
Speaker 1: And then imagine like all the tense Joe political ship
Speaker 1: that's already up in the air, right and very in
Speaker 1: many cases, very much like just a few bad calls
Speaker 1: or a few misinterpretations from going very wrong, very quickly.
Speaker 1: You see that, and you're like, well, can we Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think people often understand in the United States
Speaker 1: that peaceful transfer of power is one of the sort
Speaker 1: of golden geese of of any nation state. And it's not.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's a sure thing for a lot
Speaker 1: of people who grew up here because it almost always was,
Speaker 1: but that never guarantees that it will be the case
Speaker 1: the next time that power is transferred. And like, other
Speaker 1: countries are very very familiar with this, And this is
Speaker 1: like any time you hear about an election coming up
Speaker 1: in any country, you can be you can be a
Speaker 1: d certain that the world's intelligence agencies and the big
Speaker 1: corporations are keeping a close eye on it, because if
Speaker 1: ship's gonna go wrong, that's when it's most likely to happen.
Speaker 1: And like, I I agree with you. I think people
Speaker 1: don't know just how dangerous or maybe don't want to
Speaker 1: admit just how dangerous, how close this was, I mean,
Speaker 1: is it is it like Cuban missile crisis level close.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's hyperbolic to say, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: Evans always says. When he went over to Kiev to
Speaker 1: like after that the Ukraine capital like kind of devolved
Speaker 1: into a civil war. Like the thing he kept hearing
Speaker 1: was people being like, I can't believe it happened here.
Speaker 1: We never thought it could happen here. And it's just
Speaker 1: when when it's another country, it's just like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what happens in other countries, because that's the international news
Speaker 1: that we get. But when it's your country, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I have a wealth of experience that tells me that
Speaker 1: our country does not devolved it into a coup. And
Speaker 1: I also it's now part of a political like discourse
Speaker 1: as to whether that was even what I saw. So
Speaker 1: it just like also, and this is gonna surprise you guys.
Speaker 1: Turns out Mike Pence is a spineless weasel. He was
Speaker 1: definitely considering overturning, upending the election certification. He even spoke
Speaker 1: to And this is terrifying that the fate of Our
Speaker 1: country was in these two guys hands. He had a
Speaker 1: conversation with Vice President Dan Quaile, whoever saw the certification
Speaker 1: of the ninety two election in which he was on
Speaker 1: the losing ticket, and appeared in that conversation open to
Speaker 1: going along with Trump's plan, pushed the false claim that
Speaker 1: Arizona's voting systems or voting results were wrong, and asked
Speaker 1: where whether there was any way he could delay certification.
Speaker 1: So it was. It was on the fucking table. Things
Speaker 1: almost went as bad as we had feared they could go.
Speaker 1: And dan Quell is still alive. Yeah, still out here
Speaker 1: doing it. I didn't know that from that. Let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's talk. Rudy Giuliani also makes an appearance in this one.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, look at that two for two. Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a he had a great evening
Speaker 1: on the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven. He went to
Speaker 1: chip Ryani, you know, nice dinner. Christmas. You know, we
Speaker 1: got Christmas. I think we've ever seen him, you know,
Speaker 1: he's had some remarkable appearances on Fox where he was
Speaker 1: a little bit uh, you know, animated, a little sloppy
Speaker 1: with his pronunciation. But this is clearly something else, so
Speaker 1: something that was just on such a level that he
Speaker 1: had to do an interview with the Daily Mail the
Speaker 1: next day to like clear up what immediately after. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's check out one of his the thing that
Speaker 1: really caught a lot of people in the UK's attention
Speaker 1: when he was talking about, you know, kind of the
Speaker 1: his interaction with Queen Elizabeth when he was given a
Speaker 1: an honor after nine eleven. She said, you do us
Speaker 1: a wonderful Joel on September living and therefore I'm making
Speaker 1: an honorary night Commander of the Royal something. Rather I
Speaker 1: turned down a knifehood because if you took a kniehood
Speaker 1: you had to lose your citizenship. I know, Prince Andrew
Speaker 1: is very credible. Now. I never went out with him, never, never,
Speaker 1: never had a drink with him. Never was a woman
Speaker 1: or a young girl with him. One time I met
Speaker 1: him in my office and one time when we had
Speaker 1: the party, right Bernie, you were there, okay uh. I
Speaker 1: never had a drink with him. He did a voice.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he he later this is this freaking interview
Speaker 1: that he said. He defended that the Queen Elizabeth thing.
Speaker 1: He was just spaking like he's like I wasn't mocking
Speaker 1: the queen. Okay. First of all, it was quote an
Speaker 1: interpretation that's totally unfair. I use an English accent. And
Speaker 1: he goes on to say, and I have never mocked it.
Speaker 1: I imitate Churchill sometimes he's you know he has He's like,
Speaker 1: I have a sick English accent, like so I am
Speaker 1: hilarious when I do an English accent that his English
Speaker 1: accent sounds like he's got like like ship in his mouth,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like that. I mean the way the way
Speaker 1: he kicked that off was a little look two out
Speaker 1: of ten on the attempt, Trudy. Sorry, and he he
Speaker 1: he wanted to clarify he was not drunk, Okay, he said, quote,
Speaker 1: I am not a drunk. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: been publicly drunk in my life. The last time I
Speaker 1: was was probably in college. I like to drink Scotch
Speaker 1: and have cigars. That's where it probably comes from. I
Speaker 1: drink moderate amounts of scotch. I mostly drink scotch because
Speaker 1: I like to have it with cigars. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a cigar last night. And this is a caricature that
Speaker 1: the Left is trying to put on me. I can't
Speaker 1: remember the last time I was drunk, and I'm not
Speaker 1: just going to put up with it anymore. I've got
Speaker 1: to do something about it. Uh huh Okay, it sounds
Speaker 1: like halfway through saying that denial, he started thinking about scotch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like imagining scotch, right, just moderate amounts of scotch. I
Speaker 1: love Scotch, especially from the Highlands. You know, it gets
Speaker 1: something like it just like at night Pete, and he
Speaker 1: continued the that I don't know the theatrics, the tirade,
Speaker 1: the slam dunking upon the people, but this time he
Speaker 1: I don't even know where this one is exactly going.
Speaker 1: This one. He clearly has bad feelings about General Mark Milly,
Speaker 1: who we were just talking about, and likes to call
Speaker 1: him Miley okay, because that's how he emasculates him. I
Speaker 1: guess Miley. How did how's that guy in General Jesus?
Speaker 1: The other day he said that the backroom Air Force
Speaker 1: Base is not strategically important. I wanted to grab his
Speaker 1: what do you have? Five stars, ten stars, twelve stars?
Speaker 1: They have so many stars that come in up into
Speaker 1: his ears. I wanted to grab his stars, shove it
Speaker 1: down his throat and say it's four miles from China, asshole.
Speaker 1: China is going to be our enemy for the next
Speaker 1: forty years from them, and you're giving it up, idiot?
Speaker 1: What the hell is wrong with you? Who pays you?
Speaker 1: Donald Trump? Wow? But people like you can also just
Speaker 1: feel the crowd is like scared a little bit because
Speaker 1: it's about and he's like, I totally forgot that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be about nine eleven. The Prince Andrew thing
Speaker 1: was like that that performance that we just heard wonderful,
Speaker 1: But the Prince Andrew thing was why do we think
Speaker 1: he's started talking about Prince Andrew? Has he been alleged
Speaker 1: to be involved in the Prince Andrew stuff? I think it's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's some at some level, and maybe he's just trying
Speaker 1: to get in front of it, like like you guys
Speaker 1: said with Elder, But Prince Andrew is currently embroiled in
Speaker 1: the ongoing right whether he actually got served those papers,
Speaker 1: So it might be maybe because him and Dershowitz team
Speaker 1: up so much. Yeah, yeah, like that, there's there's connective tissue.
Speaker 1: And I mean he's been photographed with Prince Andrew before. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just such a like guilty dog barking first kind
Speaker 1: of cliche, you know what I mean. It's like if
Speaker 1: if you meet somebody and the first thing they say
Speaker 1: is like, look you can sometimes helicopters go missing, and
Speaker 1: that's the first thing they say. You're like, what the
Speaker 1: funk is up with you with helicopters? Bro? And yeah,
Speaker 1: it says something about the Also just like his delivery
Speaker 1: of it too, like he's saying it like it's like
Speaker 1: it clearly made the room feel weird too, because everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew was like a alleged like sex criminal, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I never party with him, right, come on?
Speaker 1: And then they thought. Everybody's like yeah, Rudy, like that's
Speaker 1: a grim topic and you're still up here just off
Speaker 1: your face meanwhile saying that he's not functioning alcoholic, He's
Speaker 1: just functioning. Yeah. It was another interesting quote from that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said I'm not a Yeah, I'm I'm a functional
Speaker 1: I'm not an alcoholic. He like stopped himself from saying
Speaker 1: I'm a functional alcoholic too. And Churchill also uh famously
Speaker 1: south Yeah throughout much World War two. Yeah, he made
Speaker 1: it look better though, the difference between Rudy and Churchill
Speaker 1: is Churchill makes us look good, real real. Briefly, they're
Speaker 1: doing an apprentice for activism. It's called The Activists. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The contestants will engage in missions, media stunts, digital campaigns,
Speaker 1: and community events aimed at garnering the attention of the
Speaker 1: world's most powerful decision makers. And then who decides who's
Speaker 1: sexy enough to stay this week? Um, oh yes, not
Speaker 1: Ussure and uh Prianka I think Jonas, yes, Chopra Jonas
Speaker 1: and one other person who's name I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 1: It's just so it's like it's predictable, really, it's predictable.
Speaker 1: It's highlighting the like most cynical, bloodless version interpretation of
Speaker 1: the word activism, like at a time when we need
Speaker 1: when there's like real energy and we need people to
Speaker 1: think of activism as something that's like approachable and can
Speaker 1: affect real change. And they're doing going the root of
Speaker 1: like well, you go with a think tank and then
Speaker 1: you like influence the board of like BP to like
Speaker 1: invest in your fucking prod. It's just like I just
Speaker 1: hopefully no nobody who's interested in activism will watch this.
Speaker 1: Hopefully nobody will watch this, but especially nobody's like if
Speaker 1: a young person is interested in activism watches that they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh fuck, like what that's what activism means.
Speaker 1: The water is important to me, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: here to talk with the RAMS Corporation folks and Nestleie
Speaker 1: and our friends of McKenzie. Right, that's where activism starts.
Speaker 1: Tell us about your ideas. Oh and we'd love to
Speaker 1: have you sit down with the folks at General Electric
Speaker 1: to talk about your anti war platform. Yes, they are
Speaker 1: so excited to speak shooting guns off right. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: totally has that energy of like what happens in boardrooms
Speaker 1: when like there are real stakes and but they're just like,
Speaker 1: let's make this a weird product that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with what it is because we don't even understand
Speaker 1: the importance of activism from our perspective, because nothing needs
Speaker 1: to change based on how we live. So this would
Speaker 1: be a fun little show, right, Like you get all
Speaker 1: the people like who can make the best sign at
Speaker 1: a protest, like with only two colors? No? No, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be played on poster design and I don't know,
Speaker 1: like if they're how they honor like the actual spirit
Speaker 1: of activism through a show like this, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're if it's really that important, like you you'll just
Speaker 1: you'll you'll identify people to get behind and back them,
Speaker 1: rather than like fight it out for who's the hottest activists,
Speaker 1: right like who like okay, one city, three protests, who
Speaker 1: can get the most people? Everybody pull your You're gonna
Speaker 1: pull your protests at random from this you know this
Speaker 1: helmet and uh this helmet that was in Portland's and
Speaker 1: your protest is going to be announced by this week's
Speaker 1: celebrity Carrot Top top or whatever you know that's system.
Speaker 1: Kendall Jenner pepsi commercial ass. Yes, I was thinking the
Speaker 1: same version of activism and no hate to carra Top.
Speaker 1: Comedy is hard. He's doing shows every day. His biceps
Speaker 1: are harder, and comedy is hard. Biceps are harder. He
Speaker 1: will whip the ship out of mess that carp You
Speaker 1: should see him. He's got Bicypically Christmas, did you hear
Speaker 1: any highlights from the Trump Evander Holyfield myself, but I
Speaker 1: experience the only thing I saw was that like some
Speaker 1: woman was screaming during the moment of silence for nine eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh really, they couldn't even get people to shut the
Speaker 1: funk up for a moment of silence on for nine eleven.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is what it is. Anyways, then it's
Speaker 1: been such a pleasure as always having you. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you and follow you? Yeah you can. You
Speaker 1: can learn more about my shows stuff, don't want you
Speaker 1: to know ridiculous history wherever you find fine podcasts like
Speaker 1: Daily See Guys. You can also find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: where I'm at Ben bolland hs W. You can find
Speaker 1: me on Instagram where in a burst of creativity, I
Speaker 1: called myself Ben Bullan bo w l I N I'm sad.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss Grimace you guys, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: tune in tomorrow. Yeah, we're getting to that story. We're
Speaker 1: getting one of these days, one of these days. And
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been I have to do it. This
Speaker 1: one is I've been on some projects, so I've been
Speaker 1: away from a lot of social media for a little while,
Speaker 1: and I logged into Twitter and one of the first
Speaker 1: things I saw. I'm sure you guys saw this too,
Speaker 1: but I think we do need to mention it. Just
Speaker 1: read it to you. My cousin and Trinidad won't get
Speaker 1: the vaccine because his friend got it and became impotent,
Speaker 1: his testicles became swollen. His friend was weeks away from
Speaker 1: getting married. Now the girl called off the wedding. So
Speaker 1: just pray on it and make sure you're comfortable with
Speaker 1: your decision, not bullied, Nicki Minaj September. Yeah, that will
Speaker 1: be in history books. The Just a response to that tweet,
Speaker 1: Roy Would Jr. Tweeted I will say this, a woman
Speaker 1: calling off the wedding because your boss got swollen from
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine is a great villain or origin story.
Speaker 1: Mr wood Well. Also, I also saw one where somebody
Speaker 1: just said, imagine you're gonna get married and your your cousins,
Speaker 1: super famous friends tells everybody about your balls or your
Speaker 1: friends super famous cousin. So I mean, that's like dangerous.
Speaker 1: But is it a pr move to distract from like
Speaker 1: the legal proceedings with one of her family members. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I I'm not saying it's a favorite tweet,
Speaker 1: but it feels like so tone deaf as to be
Speaker 1: calculated rather than incompetent. Totally miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What's a tweet you've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also the other show four twenty Day Fiance
Speaker 1: with Sophia Alexander. Check that out on twitch dot tv
Speaker 1: Slash four two zero day Fiance. Some tweets I like.
Speaker 1: The first one is from Jay Desmond Harris. Jane Desmond
Speaker 1: Harris is a great writer, tweeted, I would pay to
Speaker 1: watch footage of someone doing their quote own research on vaccines.
Speaker 1: Share your screen, because I am absolutely dying to know
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Share. I would love to fucking
Speaker 1: see that. I would love to see what. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what is this website? Okay? Cool? Um? Next one is
Speaker 1: from at Doug Jay Bloon. The New York Times. Pitch
Speaker 1: bot tweeted opinion I was a lifelong liberal Democrat, then
Speaker 1: my Trinidadian cousins testicle became. And last one is from
Speaker 1: Alice Morales at Les Navidad. A l I s ec
Speaker 1: tweeted my high school drama teacher would give us assignments
Speaker 1: then performed them himself to show us, quote what a
Speaker 1: hundred percent would be. Oh my god, just like sounds
Speaker 1: like the most amazing scene in this show. Like that? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you so much use this monologue. Thank you. I'll
Speaker 1: just go with not that there's anything wrong with this tweet,
Speaker 1: but Miles to take Jesse at Mama Jesse C tweeted
Speaker 1: husband on his deathbed me, so you're on the remote.
Speaker 1: You can't find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were
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Speaker 1: our episodes and our footnote or we link off to
Speaker 1: the fromation that we talked about today's episode, as well
Speaker 1: as a song we think you might enjoy. Miles, what
Speaker 1: song do we think people might enjoy to day? Uh?
Speaker 1: This is a This is some fun bedroom type music.
Speaker 1: I say bedroom music because this man, this artist Spencer,
Speaker 1: he does all of because he does all his you know,
Speaker 1: he makes all his music by himself in his home.
Speaker 1: That means, you know, the fucking piano, guitar, bass, drums, trumpet,
Speaker 1: and he's got like a really dope sound and I
Speaker 1: really really enjoy it. And it's this track is called
Speaker 1: No Direction and it's from Spencer. So it's got a
Speaker 1: light of like it's like D D I Y vibes.
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's a solid musician, so I don't
Speaker 1: know it all comes together, but it's has a really
Speaker 1: nice tone and texture to it. So this is no
Speaker 1: direction by Spencer. His bedroom is a mess though. Oh right, well,
Speaker 1: we are going to suggest you go check that out today.
Speaker 1: He's that guys, a auction of I Heart Radio from
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Speaker 1: favorite shows. That's gonna do it for us this morning.
Speaker 1: But hey, we're back this afternoon to tell you what's
Speaker 1: trending and we'll talk to you all then. Bye bye