Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh three,
Speaker 1: Episode one of Joe's production of I Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, September twenty one. My name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien aka Oh. Trump is bigger. He's bigger,
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Speaker 1: Gleastenings and it is yeah, a little uh losing my
Speaker 1: religion for Donald Trump. And I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always buy my co host, Mr Miles Grab. I
Speaker 1: mean you heard it. When then it comes to long games,
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Speaker 1: Someone does one thing, then you hop onto you make
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Speaker 1: thank you for understanding my plate as a terrible thrower
Speaker 1: of the disk. That's beautiful. That's I heard. That was
Speaker 1: written all in one day. Yeah on the spot man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: same day that they wrote an a K for I
Speaker 1: Will Always love you. Uh well, we are thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined by a brilliant writer and comedian who's written
Speaker 1: for The Pete Home Show and Cedric's Barber Battle. He
Speaker 1: co hosts the great podcast Couple of Therapy with Naomick Paragin,
Speaker 1: and his interview podcast Beginnings just celebrated it's five hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: In a past life, he was a philosophy professor and
Speaker 1: PhD candidate. Please welcome the brilliant, the deep, the hilarious
Speaker 1: Andy everyone was. I'm so glad that everything I've done
Speaker 1: since I moved to Hollywood is just development or pilots
Speaker 1: that went nowhere. You have to kind of dig deep
Speaker 1: in there for something. Man. That's cool. Love Cedric. It's cool.
Speaker 1: I wrote that entire show with a friend Di Biden
Speaker 1: because he had hired all of his friends to write
Speaker 1: it and they weren't writers. So at some point they're like,
Speaker 1: maybe we should hire actual writers to write this show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got some, you got some show is in development? Also,
Speaker 1: is that? Is that what I'm seeing like every other person? Yes, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you have shown with like some
Speaker 1: companies I've heard of, like I don't know CBS, So
Speaker 1: you know, yes that is true? What what's good? Man?
Speaker 1: How have you been? Uh? Well, uh, I mean the
Speaker 1: truth is incredibly depressed. But yeah, you know, the slow
Speaker 1: dystopia is upon us and uh I've just been trying
Speaker 1: to claw out from a hole. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: day to day it's not bad. We have our dogs
Speaker 1: and remission. Mabel is in remission, so that is that
Speaker 1: has been a joy. But you know, driving to the
Speaker 1: vet every week for months for chemotherapy, it takes its
Speaker 1: toll on you. Who knew cancer, who knew having a lot?
Speaker 1: Taking care of a loved one, even if it's a
Speaker 1: dog with cancer is difficult. Yeah, it's brutal, man. How
Speaker 1: long How long will you were you doing that for? Oh? God?
Speaker 1: So Mabel we found she had a breast lump in
Speaker 1: February and then she had a mistake toomy and then
Speaker 1: chemo was like three months long. Nothing to uplift a
Speaker 1: show like immediately talking about the slow dystopia and then
Speaker 1: launching into dog cancer. What is the third act? What
Speaker 1: is the It's funny because our last guest, you me,
Speaker 1: she was like she had a thing too where she said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been tough, but hers was like a very positive turn.
Speaker 1: It's like, in the span of like a couple of months,
Speaker 1: her mom was diagnosed with cancer and then declared cancer free.
Speaker 1: So we've we've had the full spectrum of story so far. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 1: Mabel's in remission, so that's great. Naomi, my dear love
Speaker 1: just taped her Netflix special and she destroyed it. That
Speaker 1: was amazing. I'm writing a movie for the first time.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So there are good things that are happening.
Speaker 1: So it's not all things and lessons doom and despair.
Speaker 1: How are you guys? You know, you know, just looking
Speaker 1: looking to America's rotten eye every day. Literally everything I
Speaker 1: needed to know it was containing those two syllables A pause,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, like everybody else, just hanging
Speaker 1: on by our fingernails waiting for that cartoon bird to
Speaker 1: pluck the fingers off the and then another bird. And
Speaker 1: you're like, I got my flu shot this morning, as
Speaker 1: did my five year old. I highly recommend people get
Speaker 1: their flu shots also in l A. Get your dogs
Speaker 1: flu shots, get your canine flu shots. That I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that was the whole thing since until like everyone
Speaker 1: in our like studio thread was like getting my dog
Speaker 1: their flu shot and realizing canine flu is just run
Speaker 1: this year. And I suggest instead of getting a flu shot,
Speaker 1: either for your for your son, well, for your dog,
Speaker 1: that's great, but for yourself or your for your family,
Speaker 1: I just take tick medicine, okay, good, Yeah, and prevent
Speaker 1: I've heard that prevents against the Put a little a
Speaker 1: little the oil on the back of your neck so
Speaker 1: you can't scratch it at I put on a flea collar,
Speaker 1: and I think that protects against germs. Well, we should say,
Speaker 1: because this isn't a video show you you are wearing
Speaker 1: one of those neck cones right now. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: can't lick the medicine off, right exactly? All right, Andy,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about epics with a k data breach,
Speaker 1: which means that far right web users organizations are being exposed,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. So happy news. Up top,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about more Facebook memos that got leaked.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about We're gonna just do a quick
Speaker 1: p s A that damn crafts are also greedy pieces
Speaker 1: of ship based on their their work on the Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the pharmaceutical bill. We're gonna talk about the release
Speaker 1: of Breakers Island inmates amid just hell on Earth conditions
Speaker 1: at the jail that. We're gonna talk about the QR code,
Speaker 1: the rise, the fall, the re rise of the QR code,
Speaker 1: the Mighty q R, all of that plenty more. But
Speaker 1: first Andy, we like to ask our guests, what is
Speaker 1: something from your search history? Okay, so this is actually
Speaker 1: this directly relates to the last time that I was on.
Speaker 1: So the last thing I searched was Phoenix, Vault of Heracles,
Speaker 1: Phoenix about f E N y X. The last time
Speaker 1: I was on, I was like despairing because I I
Speaker 1: finished Zelda and I didn't have a new game to play,
Speaker 1: and I asked the Zeke Gang for some recommendations. I
Speaker 1: got a ton of great ones and I started playing
Speaker 1: this is the worst name of the world, but it's
Speaker 1: a fun game. Immortals Phoenix Rising. I see so many
Speaker 1: ads for that game. It's fun. It's it's a terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible name again, Phoenix about fie n y x X.
Speaker 1: That's what I was good. Yeah, so, and it's a
Speaker 1: Zelda light game you play with uh you know throughout
Speaker 1: Greek mythology basically, were you a Greek mythology fan growing up?
Speaker 1: That's interesting like that. Yeah, we we talked about that
Speaker 1: on a episode a while back, that like that is
Speaker 1: a stage that a lot of kids go through, like
Speaker 1: what some kids get obsessed with dinosaurs. One of my
Speaker 1: sons is super obsessed with trains, and some kids, Like
Speaker 1: when I just put the call out, I was like,
Speaker 1: what was one of your like childhood obsessions. That was
Speaker 1: really strange, And a lot of people were like five
Speaker 1: years hard on Greek mythology. That's that's war wasn't really Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I went to like the Autry Museum and there
Speaker 1: was like a Civil War exhibit and then my dad
Speaker 1: was like explaining, like as he would which is like no,
Speaker 1: like no punches, whole held like explanation of the Civil War,
Speaker 1: not what what the fuck? Yeah, And I'm like didn't
Speaker 1: why why is this stuff in here? He's like, good question.
Speaker 1: Which version did he give you though? Was it like
Speaker 1: its states rights or was it like no, no, the
Speaker 1: South wanted to keep My father is a proud black man,
Speaker 1: said this was about state rightsably wrong. He was like,
Speaker 1: this was to stop slavery. And I'm like slavery. He's like,
Speaker 1: they don't have that exhibit in here. I don't know
Speaker 1: your dad. He could have been a Larry Elder fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you never know, you never know. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he got an education and grew up fairly aware. So
Speaker 1: yeah that that passed down to me. Damn. You guys
Speaker 1: were some old as soul I was. I was just
Speaker 1: into sharks, sharks and quart. See. My whole thing was
Speaker 1: I had so many older family members and like kids
Speaker 1: I looked up to around me. I was always the
Speaker 1: youngest that I was always like trying. I was trying
Speaker 1: to swing way out of my weight class every time
Speaker 1: just to kind of catch up with the people around me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was I didn't have time for sharks Jack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was whatever the opposite of precocious is. I was
Speaker 1: like a very dumb kid, like very just like simple
Speaker 1: and off in my own world because wearing like a
Speaker 1: hat with like the spinny blade on too. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: were that every day to school until eighth grade. Uh.
Speaker 1: I just like stories about like people turning into monsters
Speaker 1: and spiders and stuff. Yeah, yeah, this look Greek mythology
Speaker 1: was just animorphus before that existed. I was too young
Speaker 1: for animorphs. Great, right, but the animalphs weren't banging humans. Well,
Speaker 1: they kept that part there was like I mean it
Speaker 1: out Zeus is a serial sexual assaulter. Like they keep
Speaker 1: that stuff out of the kid's version. Yeah, right, the
Speaker 1: kids version of Greek exactly. So is the game? Does
Speaker 1: the game kind of deliver on like your dreams as
Speaker 1: a as a child of like getting to you know,
Speaker 1: funk around and be inside the world of Greek mythology. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get to hang out with with Athena, you get
Speaker 1: to uh shoot chimeras, and you get to punch others.
Speaker 1: I really Uh, yesterday was yam and so my brain
Speaker 1: from fasting all day, my brain was destroyed. And then
Speaker 1: I like to break the fast. I basically ate a
Speaker 1: full dinner and a bag of potato chips. There you go,
Speaker 1: so like, I'm just like I'm in my brain right
Speaker 1: now desperately thinking about like what's another thing for a cyclops?
Speaker 1: You guys like fighting cyclops side side a clopy cyclopie,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I'm down. Oh, then you're gonna love Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment like, because I know you're
Speaker 1: you're you're, you have an eye for detail, you like
Speaker 1: love information and things like that, where there moments you're
Speaker 1: like I cannot divide by this thing that they've presented
Speaker 1: to me, or overall it was a nice presentation. No,
Speaker 1: because I've learned to like shut that part of my
Speaker 1: if I want to have fun, I've learned how to
Speaker 1: like move from like didactic professorial mode into like, look,
Speaker 1: it's taken eight years of therapy, but you know I'm
Speaker 1: not sitting here like critiquing like, well they didn't get uh,
Speaker 1: they didn't get the manticor exactly correct. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write to you, be soft and make sure they hear
Speaker 1: what I have to say. I'm gonna I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a long Twitter thread. Why immortals, Phoenix raising is inaccurate
Speaker 1: a thread, although if we're being honestly, they did not
Speaker 1: get the man to cork correct. Yeah, but I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the one to point it out.
Speaker 1: What if something you think is overrated? Guys? Have you
Speaker 1: heard about this thing the Oedipus complex? Have you heard?
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. That's all anytime you bring up
Speaker 1: Freudian psychotherapy, all everyone's talking about is the Oedipus Do
Speaker 1: you know what it is? Oh? You do? I know?
Speaker 1: Like about the inedible complex? Yeah? Yeah, you kill your
Speaker 1: dad and you have sex with your mom and they
Speaker 1: rip your eyes out? What is that about? That's gross.
Speaker 1: I remember in high school we had to read Oedipus
Speaker 1: Rex and I was like, bro, this is the one
Speaker 1: where has sex with his mom and rips his eyes out,
Speaker 1: And like my teacher was like, there's a lot more
Speaker 1: than just that, and I'm like, okay, I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to say she was like spoilers people. I
Speaker 1: think it's just more like that. This idiot who like
Speaker 1: young smartass, just be like, we don't need to read this.
Speaker 1: This guy bangs mom or his eyes out. I can
Speaker 1: tell you everything you needed to know. Yeah, I'm the
Speaker 1: spark notes right here as a learned, learned man of books.
Speaker 1: Uh andy, is the EDI piss complex like overrated? Like
Speaker 1: did Freud say, oh, this is something that happens like
Speaker 1: sometimes and people are like Freud said, we all want
Speaker 1: to funk our moms? Or is it did Freud actually
Speaker 1: say that? Ship? Yeah, it's not like Freud himself, it's
Speaker 1: our six society. It's our sixth society that like like
Speaker 1: really fixated upon that and then turned it into like
Speaker 1: a porn genre. Right, yeah, that is wildly popular. What
Speaker 1: is it? If it's your stepmother? Though? That's the edible
Speaker 1: it's step step step step step. I think the other
Speaker 1: versions the electric complex if our remember? Right? But it's gross.
Speaker 1: Let's stop talking about it. What's doing it? Was? It
Speaker 1: hasn't been? Wait what was the last time you had
Speaker 1: to confront something like this? Because I feel like, man,
Speaker 1: I haven't really I don't. I haven't seen it on
Speaker 1: Twitter recently, but I'm has something come up recently? We're like,
Speaker 1: here we go with that bullshit? Just like all these
Speaker 1: creepy billionaires are doing this kind of stuff, am I right?
Speaker 1: Billionaires killing their dad's and sleeping with their moms. That's
Speaker 1: why we got to get rid of that. It's not
Speaker 1: about the it's not about any economic stuff. Is that
Speaker 1: they're these gross creeps. I mean, you think Epstein is
Speaker 1: the only one, right, Yeah, they're all like that. What
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? Andy? Hey, have you
Speaker 1: guys watched that TV show Lodge forty nine? No? I
Speaker 1: don't think I have. Yeah, Okay, and that's because it's underrated.
Speaker 1: Here's this is here for real Lodge forty nine. So
Speaker 1: I love this show. Oh. I interviewed the creator, Jim
Speaker 1: Gavin on my podcast a while ago. But I've been
Speaker 1: holding back the second season because like it got canceled
Speaker 1: after the second season and I knew there were no
Speaker 1: new episodes coming. I really want to say for it,
Speaker 1: it's one of the best shows in the last ten years,
Speaker 1: just hands down. It's about I think on Long Beach
Speaker 1: basically about like a bunch of different characters who are
Speaker 1: very down and out but find meaning in this lodge.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, you know, a gathering place where
Speaker 1: they can talk and meet and have a community together.
Speaker 1: But there's all this other kind of stuff going out,
Speaker 1: like with the kind of mystical history of the Lodge,
Speaker 1: but it takes it's there's there's no kind of like
Speaker 1: actual supernatural stuff. It all takes place in reality, but
Speaker 1: they're just kind of like their own lives are kind
Speaker 1: of just like imploding, and so they kind of invest
Speaker 1: in this lodge and in the mythology of the Lodge
Speaker 1: and its stars Kurt Russell's son and a bunch of
Speaker 1: great character actors, and it's it's I think you can
Speaker 1: get it on Hulu. You can. And the title refers
Speaker 1: to the Crying of Lot forty nine, which is a
Speaker 1: novella by Thomas Pynchon that has that sort of it's
Speaker 1: not supernatural, but it seems like there's like all this
Speaker 1: stuff going on below the surface and all these like
Speaker 1: patterns all around us and type thing that he says
Speaker 1: was an inspiration. I am reading this off of Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: but that is one of my favorite, uh, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite. I thought it was a novel. I was
Speaker 1: proud when I read it, but apparently just a novella,
Speaker 1: so putting that they're trying to steal that from you.
Speaker 1: They're trying to steal that accomplishment for me, it's a novel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Is it about the author's intent that dictates
Speaker 1: if it's a novel or novella or what's like the
Speaker 1: what do you how do you even determine that? I
Speaker 1: think it's a number of words a word count, but
Speaker 1: I also think it's fuzzy. M hm, Yeah, it's a novel.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to compare to like Gravity's Rainbow, which
Speaker 1: is like ten thousand pages, right, all relative, all rights?
Speaker 1: The show okay, the most underrated show, you said, I
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna check it out. Do
Speaker 1: you are you streaming it as of late or what? What?
Speaker 1: I just started going through the second season, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's just incredible and I wish they had had more seasons.
Speaker 1: Where is it available for streaming? Where are you? Hello? Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: probably the AM's It was on m C. I guess
Speaker 1: if you have the A m C app. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many people I don't have the A m C. Plus. Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't need anything else. Once you get you're good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back. And so this is a bit of
Speaker 1: good news. Epic, which is the web host their CEO
Speaker 1: has come up a couple of times in recent weeks.
Speaker 1: Uh because his name not this isn't the reason he's
Speaker 1: come up, but you might remember him because his name
Speaker 1: is Rob Monster. Yeah, bro, and they that's his given name.
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks so lame, You're like, honestly, you
Speaker 1: might just have a cool name and just been like,
Speaker 1: look like this guy, I don't know. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: inspired by Rob Zombie, but like couldn't be specific. We
Speaker 1: changed it. I'm looking at Wikipedia, changed it from Rob
Speaker 1: Frankenstein and people are like, oh, so you're a doctor.
Speaker 1: And he was like meant the monster bolt tattoos. Bro.
Speaker 1: But anyways, for a long time, the far right has
Speaker 1: kind of been able to get away with hiding out
Speaker 1: on epic web hosted websites, and Anonymous did their thing
Speaker 1: and basically leaked about ten years worth of data and
Speaker 1: it is everything. It's fun. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the kind of information that far right researchers, journalists,
Speaker 1: activists have always been like, who is actually running these sites?
Speaker 1: Like who who's who are these domains registered to? Because
Speaker 1: that was the whole deal with Epic. Rob Monster was
Speaker 1: like free speech, baby, you know, that's why he was
Speaker 1: hosting ship like gab and Parlor, fucking the gop Texas
Speaker 1: web website, all kinds of ship like that, and it's
Speaker 1: always under this thing of like your information is sacred,
Speaker 1: it's fucking prioritized, it's bulletproof, no one can breach this.
Speaker 1: And then cut to ten years of fucking everything like
Speaker 1: to the point where like every analyst who's looked at
Speaker 1: it said, I've never seen any like a more breathtaking
Speaker 1: breach of like data ever, because it's and the way
Speaker 1: that epic like just had an utter lack of security
Speaker 1: with things made it very easy where even if people
Speaker 1: are like I need my the site, I need to
Speaker 1: be anonymized as like the for being the owner of
Speaker 1: this domain, they're like, yeah, yeah, you can use our
Speaker 1: anonymised service blah blah blah. They just turned it into
Speaker 1: a number that was attached to another number that like
Speaker 1: they could easily cross reference, and they're like, okay, so
Speaker 1: it's this guy. And so suddenly a lot of people like,
Speaker 1: I mean this, this breach just happened. So slowly things
Speaker 1: are coming out, But Anonymous says, quote, the data is
Speaker 1: all that's needed to trace actual ownership and management of
Speaker 1: the fascist side of the Internet that is alluded researchers, activists,
Speaker 1: and well just about everybody. So this has been an
Speaker 1: interesting thing because epic at first, this guy Rob Monster
Speaker 1: tried to be He was like, oh, that's nothing, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, there's nothing happening, and
Speaker 1: really hasn't acknowledged the extent of this breach. And then
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other people on the far right,
Speaker 1: you know, Internet, who are like kind of in this
Speaker 1: sort of mixed reaction of like confusion, denial, and fear.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a very interesting next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: As you know, I think there's gonna be lot of unmasking.
Speaker 1: I think of of some of these websites a bunch
Speaker 1: of cops, politicians, love gears. I kind of come when
Speaker 1: these these quote unquote free speech guys, how come all
Speaker 1: of the websites they host are always Nazi websites and
Speaker 1: like fascist websites. How come it's never pro Palestinian websites
Speaker 1: or anything on the left that somehow Google pushes down
Speaker 1: in there and their searches. How come it's Oh, it
Speaker 1: seems like free I don't know about it just seems
Speaker 1: to me, maybe I'm crazy that when people talk about
Speaker 1: quote unquote free speech they really just mean fascism and Nazis.
Speaker 1: I mean recently, that has definitely been the trend. First,
Speaker 1: for sure, there has been a history of the left
Speaker 1: being policed, and probably still until recently. It's just the
Speaker 1: ones that get covered and that get lumped in with
Speaker 1: these websites tend to be yeah it su premises. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Rob Monster did like an online like a m a
Speaker 1: over video, like I don't know why, and it's the
Speaker 1: fucking weirdest thing I've ever seen, where like journalists are
Speaker 1: like being like, hey, you host this like website of
Speaker 1: this guy who docs me, Like you this violates your
Speaker 1: terms of service, like take down the site now. And
Speaker 1: he's like yeah, you know, like I'm really transparent, and
Speaker 1: he's like on his computer like clicking away and he's like, yep,
Speaker 1: it's down. I just took it down. And then like
Speaker 1: like like slapping, the slapping of hands like he's pretending
Speaker 1: he's typing. Oh yeah. They're like we can see your hands,
Speaker 1: You're not touching anything. He's like I'm deleting everything. And
Speaker 1: they were like this call had like neo Nazis on
Speaker 1: it activists. They were like yelling at each other this,
Speaker 1: but then that at a certain point Rob Monster was
Speaker 1: like like asking for like angels to rebuke the demons.
Speaker 1: It was like a whole thing, like I think it's
Speaker 1: he clearly wasn't did not want to be honest as
Speaker 1: to just the extent of how bad this breach was
Speaker 1: and how like vulnerable he left all of his customers.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is too there's people who I
Speaker 1: think you or not. I think there are people use
Speaker 1: EPIC that aren't you know, fascists, so their information is
Speaker 1: leaked too. But at the same time, I think, really
Speaker 1: the thing that these researchers are mostly interested by or
Speaker 1: like former teachers who are running things like you know,
Speaker 1: dank nugs for like, yeah, no, there there's a new
Speaker 1: Jersey teacher who got fired for saying that like you know,
Speaker 1: doing one of his weird COVID is like the Holocaust
Speaker 1: type takes, and he got fired and then his name
Speaker 1: came up. Is like owning all kinds of wacky you know,
Speaker 1: site domains and things like that. So there's like a
Speaker 1: doctor who owns a ton of Trump websites in California.
Speaker 1: There's like slowly starting to see things. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how the Tucker Carlson Show continues to
Speaker 1: be produced once every single person who works for him
Speaker 1: is unmasked, because like I know, his main writer got
Speaker 1: like unmasked as like just the most reprehensible online nazi bully,
Speaker 1: and he had to let him go, He had to
Speaker 1: let him resign. Um, I wonder what's going to happen
Speaker 1: to every single person who writes for him. They'll just
Speaker 1: keep writing for him, understood it? Yeah, whatever, there ever
Speaker 1: been repercussions for Tucker Carlson or anyone that works at five?
Speaker 1: He says, venmo's that right? Or now under the table?
Speaker 1: Basically sure? By the way, was why wasn't every question
Speaker 1: at the A M A? Why is your last name? Monster?
Speaker 1: He his whole thing is just so, his whole energy
Speaker 1: is just really like he really told all these people
Speaker 1: he promised them, you know, like in a way like
Speaker 1: he's he grifted all these far right people too to
Speaker 1: be like they won't do like I will, even though
Speaker 1: you know, over the years, think the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting,
Speaker 1: he was like hosting content from that, the one in
Speaker 1: christ Church, Like he's the epic has been involved in
Speaker 1: some the most heinous shit on the Internet, and at
Speaker 1: the same time you would lure them in with this
Speaker 1: promise of like nothing's gonna everything safe. But also every
Speaker 1: analyst said, this is the most laughable security I've ever said,
Speaker 1: like seen in my life. They said it was like
Speaker 1: locking the door to a bank at night, but you
Speaker 1: turn the alarm off and you leave the vault open.
Speaker 1: So all someone has to know how to do is
Speaker 1: just pick the door lock and then you have everything.
Speaker 1: M hm m hm. Wow, sounds like Justified season six.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about like Watchman, the HBO Watchman
Speaker 1: and all the cops and politicians and people getting unmasked.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what we what we see
Speaker 1: in the coming days. Let's talk about Facebook. While we're
Speaker 1: on the subject of you know, online leaks. Facebook, there's
Speaker 1: another batch of leaks, and this one reveals that Facebook
Speaker 1: seems ton't know that they are part of the anti
Speaker 1: vax problem. Yeah, it's just like everything we've seen from
Speaker 1: this Wall Street Journal like series is ship we already
Speaker 1: saw from the outside, but thanks for showing us that
Speaker 1: these idiots are absolutely aware of it on the inside too.
Speaker 1: And then this is the latest thing. It deals with,
Speaker 1: like how Zuckerberg apparently know he posts that thing, how
Speaker 1: he really he thinks Facebook's this vehicle for social change
Speaker 1: and that he wanted to flex their might to get
Speaker 1: all these people vaccinated. But his own stupid, fucking algorithms
Speaker 1: and lack of moderation just completely undermined all of it.
Speaker 1: When vaccines became, like you know, pretty available at the
Speaker 1: end of the spring of this year, quote roughly forty
Speaker 1: of comments on English language vaccine related posts risked discouraging
Speaker 1: vaccinations they found. Meanwhile, they said users were seeing comments
Speaker 1: on vaccine related posts seven hundred seventy five million times
Speaker 1: a day, and all in this memo. Facebook researchers were
Speaker 1: worried the large proportion of negative comments could influence perceptions
Speaker 1: of the vaccine, of the vaccines, say, even authoritative sources
Speaker 1: of vaccine information, we're becoming cesspools of anti vaccine comments.
Speaker 1: That's a huge problem and we need to fix it.
Speaker 1: They said. There's a fucking slide in that they're presenting
Speaker 1: internally that said this is a problem we need to fix.
Speaker 1: Because they said, even if we've like spotlight posts from
Speaker 1: the CDC or fauci. The comments just fucking melt down
Speaker 1: and we don't know what to do. So, yeah, at
Speaker 1: what point do we realize, as a society, community, whatever,
Speaker 1: that an algorithm is not a great way to structure anything.
Speaker 1: Like an algorithm runs the Google map app I used
Speaker 1: to get around Los Angeles and it decides that taking
Speaker 1: thirty thousand left turns to get somewhere five seconds earlier
Speaker 1: is a good idea. That's instead of like going a
Speaker 1: straight line and getting there, you know, at ten o'clock
Speaker 1: in five seconds. Right, that's not a smart way to
Speaker 1: I mean we already know that. Like it's racist and
Speaker 1: every other kind of you can think of, because it's
Speaker 1: all because of the way it's the algorithms are designed.
Speaker 1: You know, they kind of follow the brain patterns of
Speaker 1: the designers, so who are overwhelmingly white. So like, at
Speaker 1: what point do we just say, hey, maybe reintroducing humans
Speaker 1: into this chain is a smart thing to do, right, well,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, it's just a
Speaker 1: way to set their business on autopilot to keep engagement up,
Speaker 1: and that's all it does. They know, they too, They
Speaker 1: know that their algorithm just creates more discord and just
Speaker 1: fucking chaos. They know that that's how excuse and they
Speaker 1: look at it and I'm like, well, I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: but we can only keep saying this so many times.
Speaker 1: They go on to talk about like they knew that
Speaker 1: they were like they knew it was bad, but and
Speaker 1: they tried to get it under control, but they were
Speaker 1: just so bad at moderating the misinformation it just became
Speaker 1: a runaway train. They said anti vaccine content was twice
Speaker 1: as prevalent in comments sections as in posts, but the
Speaker 1: company's ability to detect or take down problematic comments was
Speaker 1: quote bad in English and basically non existent elsewhere. They
Speaker 1: said that there was like a viral post that was
Speaker 1: saying that like that said quote vaccines are all experimental
Speaker 1: and you are in the experiment. It stayed up because
Speaker 1: quote Facebook systems mistakenly thought it was written in Romanian.
Speaker 1: What they are all English words. I don't understand, like
Speaker 1: what is going on over there? And you know, publicly,
Speaker 1: Facebook has always just sort of scoffed at this idea
Speaker 1: that they have anything to do with vaccine hesitancy, even
Speaker 1: though anyone who looks at anything go, I know this
Speaker 1: person is vax heavy because they're on Facebook all day.
Speaker 1: It's a very straight line for it most people, and
Speaker 1: they've essentially but their own internal memo show that they
Speaker 1: know all this is going on, and the memos make
Speaker 1: it clear they have often made minimal or ineffectual efforts
Speaker 1: to address the issues and they play them down in public.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's they. The thing about their
Speaker 1: inability to like moderate all of this is purely just
Speaker 1: based on the fact that they want big margins, right,
Speaker 1: they don't want to employ the number of people that
Speaker 1: would take to moderate this ship and like keep the
Speaker 1: public safe. I think we need a fundamental, like kind
Speaker 1: of holistic rethinking of how American capitalism works. And like
Speaker 1: this came up for me in the QR codes story
Speaker 1: that we're about to cover, because as they're like kind
Speaker 1: of instituting these QR codes for vaccine passports essentially around
Speaker 1: the country. There it's like multiple like providers and like
Speaker 1: coders are like providing their own and they're trying to
Speaker 1: compete with one another, and like there's nobody watching, so
Speaker 1: it's easy to like hack into. And with Facebook, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's been this way for a long time,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to operate as a like billion trillion
Speaker 1: dollar business, a trillion dollar company. They're valued a trillion
Speaker 1: dollars instead of like this should be a government run thing,
Speaker 1: where like we never have any problem with fucking unemployment
Speaker 1: because they there are so many jobs to make this
Speaker 1: run that would make this run well and just be
Speaker 1: like a good source of information, but they refuse to
Speaker 1: do it. They insist on running it like it's a
Speaker 1: fucking like you know, like a marketable like trillion dollar.
Speaker 1: I think they're margins like in the thirty thirty range,
Speaker 1: Like that's an insanely high margin, and that's what they're choosing.
Speaker 1: They're choosing to not spend that money so they have
Speaker 1: a high margin so that people want to invest in
Speaker 1: their company, which that's what the system kind of tells
Speaker 1: them to do. But like the system doesn't work for
Speaker 1: this anymore. Like we've seen that this is killing hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of people, like right in front of our eyes,
Speaker 1: right in this report, Like that is what this tells
Speaker 1: us well, And there's also fear that they don't they
Speaker 1: don't even know if there is a number of people
Speaker 1: you could hire to actually moderate it because of the
Speaker 1: millions of users they are on the constant amount of
Speaker 1: user generated content that comes out. Like if there's also
Speaker 1: like question marks about that, right, well, then it's never
Speaker 1: They're never going to there. It's never going to come
Speaker 1: from the top down, right because they have absolutely no
Speaker 1: incentive to do anything about it because it's made them
Speaker 1: wealthy beyond any of our our imaginations. Right, so they
Speaker 1: it really has to be I think, like it has
Speaker 1: to come from the bottom. There has to be some
Speaker 1: kind of like movement that changes not just face, I
Speaker 1: mean literally everything it. Yeah, Sandberg and Zuckerberg, they gotta
Speaker 1: go talk to the I think the Congress again, see
Speaker 1: what We'll see what happens there. But I mean, like
Speaker 1: think about like the thing that was the tech industry
Speaker 1: that was making like minting billionaires back in the like
Speaker 1: guilded age was the railroad system. And then they broke
Speaker 1: up all these massive monopolies and like change the rules
Speaker 1: around that, and now we have fucking amtrack. Like nobody's
Speaker 1: getting rich off the railroads anymore. And it's just a
Speaker 1: like thing. It's a service that like runs that like
Speaker 1: the government has to subsidize and you know, like just
Speaker 1: it's over the course of time, like as you figure
Speaker 1: it out. But like we have figured it out that
Speaker 1: this does not work as a privatized like service. It
Speaker 1: needs to be a public service that is treated like
Speaker 1: anything that is massive and like being used by everybody. Right,
Speaker 1: But who's our Teddy Roosevelt? Right? But it's not Biden By.
Speaker 1: I didn't you know barely you know, getting to noon
Speaker 1: without sundowning. So it's not like it's not gonna be him.
Speaker 1: So who's that person? Have you ever, either of you,
Speaker 1: ever seen a thing on Facebook? And I mean not
Speaker 1: that I'm on for more than like three minutes a day,
Speaker 1: but like, have you ever seen a thing where you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to check a second source? This meme
Speaker 1: from vac scoofs dot shit is fine? No, I mean
Speaker 1: not to be honest, I I stopped looking at it
Speaker 1: like maybe seven years ago. I just couldn't. Like once
Speaker 1: I could see like people starting to come out with
Speaker 1: their like wacky takes about anything, I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: this it used to just be a place for me
Speaker 1: to ship talk about old classmates with my other friends,
Speaker 1: to be like did you see their expool? Like they're
Speaker 1: wild and right now, and now it's like all this weird, ridiculous. Okay,
Speaker 1: everyone's unmasking themselves as racists or whatever. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't care. There's nothing. There's nothing here for me,
Speaker 1: like the people I know I talk with and people
Speaker 1: who want to get at you know, how to get
Speaker 1: at me, relatives post baby photos. So I go look
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes a day and they're done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but those are deep fis. Come on, I meet them
Speaker 1: in real life and I'm like, oh, how's how's Todd
Speaker 1: your your new infant? They're like, what, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I fin that was holding a potato. All right, let's
Speaker 1: do a quick p s A. The more you know,
Speaker 1: dumb dune dumb Democrats are also greedy pieces of ship.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hey blue, no matter who, no matter who,
Speaker 1: no matter who, it's gotta be blue, even if they
Speaker 1: want to raise prescription drug prices on you. So you know,
Speaker 1: prescription drug prices are astronomically high in this country. That's
Speaker 1: something we have all known for many years. It's been
Speaker 1: a constant issue here. Joe Biden knew it. Trump knew it.
Speaker 1: They always talk about how terrible like the prescription drug
Speaker 1: costs are and how they're going to renegotiate things to
Speaker 1: get things down own to a humane level. And you know,
Speaker 1: part of the plan to pay for this three and
Speaker 1: a half trillion dollar infrastructure plan is to like renegotiate
Speaker 1: prescription drug costs so the government can save money and
Speaker 1: then redistribute that as they see fit. But the House
Speaker 1: Energy and Commerce Committee just voted this ship down in committee.
Speaker 1: And the Republicans were never going to be on board
Speaker 1: with this. I think anyone counted that. But it took
Speaker 1: three centrist fucking loser Dems on this committee decided to
Speaker 1: vote it down and block this piece of legislation. And
Speaker 1: just want to say, Kurt Straighter from Oregon, Scott Peters
Speaker 1: from California, and Kathleen Right from New York. There their
Speaker 1: whole thing was saying that like it's gonna harm private
Speaker 1: sector innovation was their fucking reason for this. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's just won't speak for they will make less money,
Speaker 1: and they give me a lot to to basically, you know,
Speaker 1: be a full back to blow open the whole for
Speaker 1: them to just they showed that they had a lot
Speaker 1: of evidence that said this will hurt they did. They
Speaker 1: said it'll hurt us because we have collectively gotten around
Speaker 1: almost two million dollars from them in donations, so that
Speaker 1: could suck us up. But this bill was going to
Speaker 1: save the government about four hundred fifty six billion dollars
Speaker 1: and reduced prices by fifty seven to seventy five per cent. Right,
Speaker 1: But they're big pharma fucking darlings U I just Trader
Speaker 1: and Peters. They're among the two biggest fucking recipients of
Speaker 1: pharma donations, like almost a million and a half. Peters
Speaker 1: is right now the currently the top house recipient from
Speaker 1: pharma and there and they know they give to these
Speaker 1: people because they're on these committees that are going to
Speaker 1: dictate the flow of their business. This is how all
Speaker 1: of this ship works. The other thing that's just will
Speaker 1: really leave you quake in your boots. Peters, him, his
Speaker 1: and his whole family. They're estimated to be worth about
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, like one of the wealthiest people in Congress.
Speaker 1: His wife is the president and CEO of an investment
Speaker 1: firm whose company has you know, manufacturing and packaging for
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies. So there's a lot of you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of shoulder rubs going on here and not to
Speaker 1: mention with Mr Schrader, his longtime aid is now a
Speaker 1: top lobbyist for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America
Speaker 1: Pharma for short, which is a very powerful Washington drug lobby.
Speaker 1: And that's textbook revolving doorship. You pick off the people's
Speaker 1: aids to become lobbyists. You offer them so much cash
Speaker 1: their eyes bleed that they go turn lobbyists. And then
Speaker 1: all they've done is paid for like a direct line
Speaker 1: to your old boss who's on it, sitting on a
Speaker 1: committee in Congress. That's how this ship happens constantly. That's
Speaker 1: the same even a house of cards, right, Remy Danton,
Speaker 1: that character he used to be Frank Underwood's top eight,
Speaker 1: and then he became the lobbyist for the Natural Gas
Speaker 1: or whatever company that was. It's just the same, just nonsense.
Speaker 1: And so when we look at how these things don't happen,
Speaker 1: it's because of the money in Congress and the money
Speaker 1: in politics. It's just these people are you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're sponsored by them to make sure legislation that would
Speaker 1: reduce drug costs by fifty seven for humans us just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Right, Yeah, That's why I said before. It
Speaker 1: has to be they're never going to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: Either they have no have absolutely no empathy, or they
Speaker 1: are craven little worm tongues. It has to it has
Speaker 1: to be us. It has to be everyone from the
Speaker 1: bottom up. Yeah, And I think, but yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine someone who's worth sixty million dollars even as the
Speaker 1: ability to like open their empathy door to be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, like that's a lot of money, Like maybe
Speaker 1: I should do the right thing. Because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, lobbying makes it easier to fundraise. It's
Speaker 1: less time they have to spend out in the field
Speaker 1: with their hat in hand, because lobbyous will package a
Speaker 1: bunch of donations for them and then say, remember big
Speaker 1: pharma now and ship like this happens, and if you
Speaker 1: need an excuse, we'll write them up for you and
Speaker 1: there will be really slick and you can go out
Speaker 1: and tell people that it's gonna fucking harm private sector innovation,
Speaker 1: like they're incentive to innovate doesn't vaporize because they make
Speaker 1: less money from gouging people that need essential medicines like I.
Speaker 1: So I just reject that premise entirely. But that's their
Speaker 1: again to your points, craving enough to go out and
Speaker 1: say something like that in public, right again because of margins,
Speaker 1: because pharmaceutical companies are interested in margins, and not like
Speaker 1: there there's no government intervention, there's no regular like these
Speaker 1: are wildly deregulated industries and suggesting, well, we need more regulation,
Speaker 1: like sounds like you're the bad guy from Ghostbusters. So
Speaker 1: like that's yeah, we we've like we're just now coming
Speaker 1: to terms with like how thoroughly we've been fucking like
Speaker 1: steeped in just this idea of like small government, deregulation,
Speaker 1: the market is gonna fucking solve everything, and it just
Speaker 1: story after story, we're just stepping on rakes, you know,
Speaker 1: just like rake after rake, just fucking slamming us in
Speaker 1: the face. Every single one is caused by the same
Speaker 1: kind of logic that was created or at least like
Speaker 1: really got on steroids in the beginning of the eighties,
Speaker 1: and it's been here. All those words you said, like small,
Speaker 1: small government, the free market, those are all just the
Speaker 1: words of the business owning class that have been just
Speaker 1: eat hammered into people's brains, and people are like, right,
Speaker 1: that's what we need without realizing no, no no, no, those
Speaker 1: are talking points that someone exponentially wealthier than you has
Speaker 1: put poison to the discourse with. So now that people
Speaker 1: are like, idea, that's I'm going to keep for that,
Speaker 1: So please destroy your inner fucking Yeah. By the way,
Speaker 1: have you guys heard the urban legend of large margin
Speaker 1: tell large margins said? Yeah, all right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break to uh, you know, think about that and
Speaker 1: we'll be back. And we're back. And QR codes were
Speaker 1: as recently as you know that people were writing articles
Speaker 1: fairly recently, they were like QR codes are like it
Speaker 1: kind of felt like the segways of like like like
Speaker 1: they people were like just the way of the future,
Speaker 1: like you know, and like wired and ship and then
Speaker 1: and then yeah exactly, And then companies started adopting them
Speaker 1: and like trying to use them in marketing campaigns, and
Speaker 1: I first of all, they did a bad job. And
Speaker 1: because it was just a gimmick, it wasn't like an actually,
Speaker 1: like sent truly funded thing that they were trying to
Speaker 1: build any significant part of their business on. So we
Speaker 1: had things like Hines put a QR code on their
Speaker 1: catchup bottles and somebody scanned it and was sent to
Speaker 1: a porn website. They also like somebody so like I
Speaker 1: think they just like let the u r L laps
Speaker 1: really quickly after they did the thing. And so somebody
Speaker 1: came in and just had like put a bunch of
Speaker 1: porn videos on Wow a web page, realizing hey, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of traffic going here, and hey, you know
Speaker 1: what monetizes better than anything is pornography. So and then
Speaker 1: there was also one where a company had a QR
Speaker 1: code that you scanned off of a promote, like off
Speaker 1: of the billboard, except they put it on the other
Speaker 1: side of a subway track, so you would have had
Speaker 1: to cross a subway track to scan the advertisement. Gilletted
Speaker 1: the horrible Scan Kate Upton's Brain campaign, where what was that?
Speaker 1: It was just like a thought bubble coming out of
Speaker 1: Kate Upton's brain. It was a thought bubble coming out
Speaker 1: of Kate Bubble, Kate Bupkin bubble, Kate Upton's brain, Like
Speaker 1: this is our thought bubble. And then it was a
Speaker 1: QR code and it says, how does Kate Upton, like
Speaker 1: her Man's body styled read her mind? That's just so
Speaker 1: freaky when you're like, that's the thing the offers like
Speaker 1: read her mind and it looks like robot nightmare, like yeah,
Speaker 1: like oh god, okay, but they have become of late,
Speaker 1: super useful in the pandemic because they offer a touchless
Speaker 1: way to transmit information. Uh. They were first invented like
Speaker 1: fairly recently. I think it was like two thousands seven.
Speaker 1: Somebody invented them. No, sorry, it just seems it seems
Speaker 1: like that's just I've version of two thousand seven because
Speaker 1: inside my brand it's still two. They're created by a
Speaker 1: worker at a Toyota subsidiary who was sick of scanning
Speaker 1: more than one barcode on car parts, so he invented
Speaker 1: a code that could hold three hundred times more data
Speaker 1: using the same amount of space. And he came up
Speaker 1: with the idea while playing Go, the ancient strategy board
Speaker 1: game with black and white pieces on square board, and
Speaker 1: this guy get ripped off by them like the you know,
Speaker 1: the inventor of the chicken nugget basically like McDonald's was like,
Speaker 1: gave him a pad on the head and sent him
Speaker 1: on his way. So here's the thing he was happy too.
Speaker 1: He was like, I don't mind that this is that
Speaker 1: this became extremely popular, and I'm not like a billionaire,
Speaker 1: I'd rather this have become very popular. And he said
Speaker 1: he's in said he's really pleased that it's been used
Speaker 1: to help improve people's safety. So that's the sort of
Speaker 1: like thinking that is just so anathema to like American
Speaker 1: modern American capitalism. But he was just like that, you
Speaker 1: guys take it same with like the vaccines. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like, wait, why would we let everybody just
Speaker 1: have access to this thing that we invested money in?
Speaker 1: So that that's one of the reasons that it's become
Speaker 1: this tool so quickly that we've been able to use
Speaker 1: is because somebody decided to not follow the logic of
Speaker 1: capitalism and instead let it ride, let people use it.
Speaker 1: Someone in Italy even tattooed their vaccine QR code onto
Speaker 1: their arm so that they could successfully scanner. At McDonald
Speaker 1: somebody had printed t shirts that had THEIRS on it.
Speaker 1: So it was it was as recently as people were
Speaker 1: like writing r QR codes dead, but they've become popular
Speaker 1: since inen Like this is what the only time I
Speaker 1: started using them, Apple allowed their camera to scanning QR codes,
Speaker 1: Like that's when I was like, oh, I just opened
Speaker 1: my camera and it immediately opened a web page and
Speaker 1: that's I used to I need an app and nobody
Speaker 1: was doing that. Yeah, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: fucking dumb, just so I could like open up like
Speaker 1: a promo sprite website, like did you get a discount
Speaker 1: sprite though? No, just they're just like, oh, Grant Hills back,
Speaker 1: did you miss him? And I'm like no, bro, they
Speaker 1: haven't quite nailed it again because they have a bunch
Speaker 1: of different companies, like creating the vaccine passports in Israel.
Speaker 1: The QR code on the Green pass which is there
Speaker 1: like vaccine Passport, had no encryption, leading to a massive
Speaker 1: black market of bogus certificates. Yeah. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: go to COVID test the other day and I had
Speaker 1: to show a QR code from when I signed up
Speaker 1: for it, and it led to one of the epics websites.
Speaker 1: Yeah that. Ethical hackers have tried to test the security
Speaker 1: of vaccine QR codes in places like Quebec, where they
Speaker 1: had no encryption, They were able to create their own
Speaker 1: QR codes that spoof the identity of several Quebec politicians,
Speaker 1: including the Premier and in New York here in America,
Speaker 1: there are two competing vaccine verification systems and they both suck.
Speaker 1: The Cities NYC COVID Safe app doesn't rely on a
Speaker 1: QR code. It's basically just an image storing app that
Speaker 1: allows you to take a picture of your vaccination card,
Speaker 1: but it's incredibly easy to spoof. Instead of a vaccine card,
Speaker 1: you could upload everything from a photo of Mickey Mouse
Speaker 1: to a barbecue restaurant menu. They wouldn't notice. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is where I was just like, Okay.
Speaker 1: So there's also the state app, the Excelsior Past, does
Speaker 1: use a QR code, but even that was remarkably easy
Speaker 1: to hack using public information from social media. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean QR codes are actually amazing, consider ring that
Speaker 1: they were literally invented by random dude who was playing
Speaker 1: a board game. But the problem is isn't anything to
Speaker 1: do with technology, it's the way that people have used them.
Speaker 1: They sucked for a long time because corporations were using
Speaker 1: them as a gimmick, and now they are They have
Speaker 1: huge value potentially, but bureaucratic sloppiness in government and in
Speaker 1: you know, open markets is impeding their effectiveness. So but
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot there, Like what if people who
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing, Like if governments would invest in,
Speaker 1: you know, hiring some of those people who work for
Speaker 1: Facebook to work for them, we actually invested in the
Speaker 1: public sector, we would be able to have a functioning system.
Speaker 1: What kind of margins were looking at on the exactly
Speaker 1: large margins? Large margins, Yes, the tell them that is
Speaker 1: the scariest moment maybe in movie history, for like, because
Speaker 1: for when I saw it, how much it scared me,
Speaker 1: I'd have to fast forward. Actually, it's like I hate,
Speaker 1: I actually hate that part. It's it feels like such
Speaker 1: a departure for the from the whole film. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: totally that As a kid, I remember being so offended.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just too intense. The eyes
Speaker 1: didn't have to shoot out like that. And for those
Speaker 1: who are too young to know talking about Peewe's Big Adventure,
Speaker 1: m hmm, alright, that that one came out in what
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, So that's big topee. And finally,
Speaker 1: like in a related story, the fake vaccine card business
Speaker 1: is just a boom in we talked a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago about how bogus cards are being pedaled online. Now,
Speaker 1: the industry is absolutely thriving. Car prices doubled from around
Speaker 1: a hundred to two hundred on average and rose from
Speaker 1: around one thousand sellers to more than ten thousand. This
Speaker 1: is in the days after Biden announced all the right
Speaker 1: right private sector businesses. So what they got? That just uh,
Speaker 1: just hackers making this stuff, cooking it up for people. No,
Speaker 1: it's pretty. It's pretty like there's Etsy was had a
Speaker 1: lot of sellers on there. They're also like drug dealers.
Speaker 1: So somebody from New York meg like reached out to
Speaker 1: a drug dealer. No, no clue how this person had
Speaker 1: this drug dealers? Drug dealer right exactly? Come on, now,
Speaker 1: what the funk? There's a website that will connect journalists
Speaker 1: with drug dealers for stories. No, it's the guy who
Speaker 1: you bought. Indeed, some of the fake cards are being
Speaker 1: provided by drug dealers. Quote. Business is very, very good,
Speaker 1: said Alan, a counterfeit card purveyor who also pedals weed
Speaker 1: and coke. Too good. I need a vacation. And then
Speaker 1: the journalist. I found him on a Facebook anti vaccination
Speaker 1: group and he reluctantly agreed to meet me over a
Speaker 1: frozen margarite at a kitchy Bushwick bar. No, all you
Speaker 1: did was outside my house when he was selling. I mean,
Speaker 1: can you like, what if the article had said like pedals,
Speaker 1: weed and some of the best coke. Don't even you
Speaker 1: don't have to bother to test it. I trust it.
Speaker 1: I mean people, I mean, I mean he reluctantly agreed
Speaker 1: to meet over a frozen margarita at a kitchy bar.
Speaker 1: You were at the bar. He came to drop off
Speaker 1: your eight ball and You're like, hey, you got a second?
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something? And he's like, dude, come on,
Speaker 1: what you know. I don't like. I gotta keep going.
Speaker 1: He's like, what are you doing with the anti the
Speaker 1: vaccine cards? He's like, oh yeah, business is very very
Speaker 1: good man. All right, I gotta go ahead. Tell your
Speaker 1: cousin to stop calling me. And then he checked up
Speaker 1: val dof flesh It off with out with details too much,
Speaker 1: I guess to be the way. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I found him on Facebook anti vaccination group. Reluctantly agreed
Speaker 1: like I was like, hey, bro, you're a coke dealer. Wow, random,
Speaker 1: that's so sick. That's hey, how about some frozen marks.
Speaker 1: What's the name of the author. What's the journalist's name?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have it in front of me,
Speaker 1: but they are definitely just want to look at to
Speaker 1: see if they've got like coke eyes. Just yea. Hey,
Speaker 1: how many ecstasies can I get off of? You? Man?
Speaker 1: How many ecstasies? My good man? Uh? Anyways, people can
Speaker 1: just make their own, though templates are available through sketchy websites,
Speaker 1: such as the Tennessee Department of Health in May. In May,
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Department of Health just posted a blank vaccine
Speaker 1: card template on their website, which I think wasn't the
Speaker 1: woman who was caught because she misspelled the vaccine information.
Speaker 1: She was like from someplace completely different, but I think
Speaker 1: she had a Tennessee vaccine card mm hmm. So yeah,
Speaker 1: watch out for that. If if someone pure friend randomly
Speaker 1: has a Texian vaccine card or a Tennessee vaccine card,
Speaker 1: you might want to, uh, you know, take another look. Yikes,
Speaker 1: I mean, why why put a template up there? I
Speaker 1: I came up and I'm like, I used to do
Speaker 1: this ship when I was in high school. I found
Speaker 1: a template for a New Jersey driver's license to make
Speaker 1: all my friends eight like fake eighteen year old licenses
Speaker 1: so we could buy cigarettes. And I found it because
Speaker 1: I just searched for a license template online. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure version of teen Miles probably saw that ship and
Speaker 1: can cook up things like that. I just don't understand that,
Speaker 1: just the utter lack of consideration on how this information
Speaker 1: is going to be used. And then also are very
Speaker 1: robust cardboard cards too, very safe Miles. Why didn't you
Speaker 1: just do what my friends did, which was have an
Speaker 1: unscrupulous friend work at a supermarket and just steal cartons
Speaker 1: of cigarettes? Oh man, I don't. Yeah, a good good
Speaker 1: call actually on that. I had one friend and who no, no,
Speaker 1: no one, no one, no one who's living there. I
Speaker 1: have one friend whose families owned a bunch of liquor stores,
Speaker 1: and then they could like come through with like boxes
Speaker 1: lack of stolen ship. But that was that was that
Speaker 1: was the limits of my reach. And so you know,
Speaker 1: people are asking the question, could someone tell if the
Speaker 1: paper card wasn't issued by an official medical provider, and
Speaker 1: the associate Professor of Epidemiology at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg reassured
Speaker 1: us a absolutely not. Hell no bug, bro, That is
Speaker 1: so fucking bad. Yeah, I have. What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: How do we make it? How do we make them?
Speaker 1: Like on bar with a like can't you just add
Speaker 1: a thing to a driver's license? You know? I mean
Speaker 1: it's they had to get them out quick. They had
Speaker 1: to get the vaccines out quickly. But yeah, now, I
Speaker 1: mean at this point, I'm saying, at this point, like
Speaker 1: we need Yeah, you know, I think maybe now because
Speaker 1: for the longest time, the Biden administrations, like we're not
Speaker 1: really talking about out like a sort of identification regime
Speaker 1: type thing because they knew they didn't want to sort
Speaker 1: of rock that boat. But now that they're out here
Speaker 1: with these mandates, you'd hope that they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're trying to make sure that it's a like
Speaker 1: a thing that yeah, you know, you can't just get
Speaker 1: buy off of eBay. Yeah, you can buy them off
Speaker 1: of eBay. And you can also buy vaccine cards off
Speaker 1: of Amazon in Canada, although not in the US, bummer.
Speaker 1: But like it doesn't really matter how easy it is
Speaker 1: to like get somebody to make one for you, because
Speaker 1: you can make one yourself with the Tennessee thing and
Speaker 1: a fucking pen. So anyways, if you're a counterfeitter, like
Speaker 1: just keep making fake ideas for kids or be a
Speaker 1: fucking drug drug dealer. Don't do this ship kids whatever
Speaker 1: Like that's honestly, like this is way more harmful than
Speaker 1: making can be smoking and under a freeway overpass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you guys have just like grasp your head in
Speaker 1: pain at just like how stupid this era is that
Speaker 1: we're living through or where like people would rather like
Speaker 1: have to go through all this counterfeiting. They want to
Speaker 1: take like you know, ground up some earthworms and eat
Speaker 1: them because they think that will cure them or whatever,
Speaker 1: then just doing a normal thing like go get a vaccine.
Speaker 1: It's you know where it's just like another societal realignment
Speaker 1: that we're living through clearly, you know, because it's I
Speaker 1: that's what I keep saying that truly you are just
Speaker 1: scratching your head all the time, like I don't under
Speaker 1: like how how did you arrive to that conclusion? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: it's just like like I would rather drink pig diarrhea
Speaker 1: than I would get a vaccine like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It literally gives me a headache. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that's just part of you know, shows how like our
Speaker 1: media diets and echo chambers and things like that truly
Speaker 1: can create entirely new, vivid realities for people. Yeah, although
Speaker 1: they what they're not telling you is, you know, pig
Speaker 1: diarrhea does cure it, but that is actually just not big.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. What's how delicious it
Speaker 1: is and that's big. F A r M A. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Andy, it's been a pleasure as always having you.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? Oh, Andy
Speaker 1: Backerman on Twitter and Instagram and beginnings wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcast from you that's the you know, just as
Speaker 1: you said in the beginning the five episode I just
Speaker 1: put out, it's a it's an interview podcast where I
Speaker 1: talked to creators I like, either musicians or writers or
Speaker 1: actors or comedians about their childhoods and they're how those
Speaker 1: childhoods led them to create the things that they create.
Speaker 1: And the five jor of the episode, I talked to
Speaker 1: Arthur Matthews, who's the creator Father Ted and Toast of
Speaker 1: London and a lot of other incredible British comedies. He's great, Yeah, nice,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me on. This is a delight.
Speaker 1: Is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. Yes, I got two. You
Speaker 1: can tell me one of them I got too, because
Speaker 1: the first one it's it's you know, unless you're sick
Speaker 1: of Norm McDonald's stuff. At this point, this resurface after
Speaker 1: he just passed away, and I thought it was so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to even try to do his voice.
Speaker 1: But a man is a coin, no obverse without reverse.
Speaker 1: If you like, remember Jeff Epstein as a monster destroying
Speaker 1: lives with a wicked nonchalance. But for me, I will
Speaker 1: remember him as the man who killed jeff Epstein. Miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray. Also the other show for twenty day Fiance
Speaker 1: with Sophia Alexandra. Come by check out our ninety day
Speaker 1: Fiance takes over. There some tweets I like. First one
Speaker 1: is this from at Zon underscores z. It's a picture
Speaker 1: of let's that that scene in the Matrix where Morpheus
Speaker 1: is like has all that ship hooked up to his
Speaker 1: head because they're like trying to get all the information
Speaker 1: and like, you know, Agent Smith is talking to him,
Speaker 1: and it's in this picture there's Tex superimposed in front
Speaker 1: of Morpheus's face and says we should destroy the matrix,
Speaker 1: and Agent Smith says, yet you participate in the matrix.
Speaker 1: I am very intelligent. I love those takes. Man, Yes,
Speaker 1: very intelli. Yet you participate, didn't it? And then next
Speaker 1: one is from at Dan Cannon more of an informative um.
Speaker 1: He said, happy Frida everyone. To kick off the weekend,
Speaker 1: let's talk about secondary traumatic stress, and he says, you're
Speaker 1: about to see a whole lot of this, especially among
Speaker 1: healthcare workers, teachers, and therapists the wake of COVID nineteen.
Speaker 1: This thread basically goes on to sort of talk about
Speaker 1: this phenomenon that is experienced by like lawyers very vividly
Speaker 1: and other people who are in situations where they are
Speaker 1: dealing with people that are like very high stakes emotional
Speaker 1: things and their empathy can almost burn out. And it's
Speaker 1: just a really interesting thread. I'll retweet it, you can
Speaker 1: check it out. But I just thought it was a
Speaker 1: very interesting perspective on like what the effects are on
Speaker 1: people to like, as we're all sitting here in a pandemic,
Speaker 1: like watching all this chaos unfold that there is an
Speaker 1: absolute like there are other forms of stress that we're
Speaker 1: experiencing that haven't necessarily been articulated clearly. So really interesting tweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh tweet I've been enjoying. Josh Gondalman tweeted, it's always
Speaker 1: slightly daring when a routine appointment asks for an emergency contact,
Speaker 1: like how intense is this apartment tour going to get?
Speaker 1: And then I like this ad hair cut. Hippy tweeted,
Speaker 1: there's an extraordinarily defensive style of writing where I can
Speaker 1: recognize if someone is probably active on Twitter or not
Speaker 1: by how often they include weird preemptive defenses and positions
Speaker 1: no same prayers of whatever take like And then his
Speaker 1: example is I like cheese asterisk. To be clear, I
Speaker 1: do not think vegans should be grounded to soilent. I'm
Speaker 1: aware as well of the harms of factory farming as
Speaker 1: well as the dangers of industrial agriculture, and then goes
Speaker 1: on and on. But I think that is something I've
Speaker 1: totally noticed, both in writing and in podcasting. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can tell when a podcaster pays attention to their comments
Speaker 1: and anyways, what do I do now? You can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian. You can find
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Speaker 1: we post our episodes. On our footnotes, we link off
Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that hey, we think you
Speaker 1: might enjoy, Miles, what song do we think people are
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy it? I mean, this is a fun, fun
Speaker 1: little rap track to get your next snapping, to get
Speaker 1: into your week. It's called jail Break the Tesla feature
Speaker 1: in a mename and it's from the trio Injury Reserve.
Speaker 1: And yeah, man, it's just a lot of that's a
Speaker 1: great title. Yeah, it's called jail Break the Tesla. It's
Speaker 1: just got energy, the the drums, fucking or probably blow
Speaker 1: your doors off. But hey, enjoy it and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: just to just have a good week, all right. Well,
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