Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh one,
Speaker 1: episode four of Days I Got the production of My
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep to dive into America's share consciousness. And it's Friday,
Speaker 1: September one, a day before the twentieth anniversary of September eleven.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien, a k from the back
Speaker 1: to the middle and around again. I'm gonna be there
Speaker 1: till the trend one hundred percent do love. That is
Speaker 1: courtesy of Radio and Georgio, who pointed out that the
Speaker 1: late Michael kay Williams choreographed and dances in that video
Speaker 1: with Crystal Waters. Oh I knew he's a dancer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's a that's the catalog. Yeah yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles Grass. Oh well, you know how I do
Speaker 1: on a Friday night. I'm just probably driving and I'm smoking.
Speaker 1: Means I'm fading. Got these cravings, but just fading. Nothing's open.
Speaker 1: Need that mord Meal, So I'm going he said, who
Speaker 1: getting Taco Bell tonight? Who getting Taco Bell tonight? Ain't
Speaker 1: as much as a well tonight who giving my toilet
Speaker 1: hell tonight. Okay, it's hey K, Miles, great, thank you
Speaker 1: so much to Christie. Was Gucci made for that part?
Speaker 1: I had to kind of give that first verse just
Speaker 1: to kind of set up the scene. But at that
Speaker 1: inspired take, Yeah, we gotta bring that in. We gotta
Speaker 1: bring in the background. That was that was beautiful. Well
Speaker 1: he was getting Taco belltn. We I would have and
Speaker 1: and what one of the few times where the A
Speaker 1: K is a a drastic improvement on the lyrical content
Speaker 1: of the actual song. Yeah, I feel like I could
Speaker 1: sing that with a lot more passion than yeah tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like his version is I think it's like about
Speaker 1: how Marilyn Manson shouldn't be canceled. Maybe, like is Marilyn
Speaker 1: Manson's like on the jack come on, it's getting tackle
Speaker 1: bell tonight. Thank you, thank you. That's asked the questions
Speaker 1: that are on the Zeitgeist's mind. Yes, exactly, Miles. We
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Speaker 1: the Brilliant. He Wilkerson. I didn't know that you're supposed
Speaker 1: to bring our favorite Drake bars from his latest album.
Speaker 1: If I knew that, I would have prepared. I have
Speaker 1: no song. But you guys, it's wonderful to have you
Speaker 1: gotten through either of those long winded albums. No, and
Speaker 1: I planned to. Here's the thing, like, I think, like
Speaker 1: anybody that's maybe under the age of thirty, at one
Speaker 1: point in my life I did like Drake. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's the backdrop to my middle school angst. He
Speaker 1: gave me a channel to, you know, kind of express
Speaker 1: all the pain I was going through at a certain age,
Speaker 1: even though my life was so simple. But that guy
Speaker 1: in third grade, he broke my heart, and Drake just
Speaker 1: gave me the anthem for it. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way, he he gives me something. But at
Speaker 1: this point, it's like all the pedophilia, I just you know,
Speaker 1: hot take, don't. Yeah, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: not much of a hot take when there's a lot
Speaker 1: of receipts. Were like you're trying to how are they
Speaker 1: just like yeah, but like just to let him know,
Speaker 1: like how this business is. Well. Also, any any woman
Speaker 1: that has been seventeen has had an older guy in
Speaker 1: their life that's like, you know what, you're so mature,
Speaker 1: Like there's just something about you, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: you're just not like the other girls. And you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, wait me, I've always thought I was mature.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. Yes, well you can date me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you turn twenty five and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, would have fucking creepy. Is
Speaker 1: this still the Millie Bobby Brown ship or are there
Speaker 1: more receipts, more ship coming out? Actually I'm not. I
Speaker 1: think I think there's people that like he's dated that
Speaker 1: are now like nineteen and twenty, but he's been in
Speaker 1: photos with since they were like sixteen, So there's questions
Speaker 1: of like kind of a grooming and then he comes
Speaker 1: out when they're legal and he's like, oh no, it
Speaker 1: was chill before now, like we weren't doing anything weird.
Speaker 1: It was mentorship and then all of a sudden we
Speaker 1: fell in love to pick You're Poison with those two albums.
Speaker 1: Album is great. Yeah, there you go. I heard AD
Speaker 1: was dropping something new though maybe Yeah, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for that. I mean I can, but yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think they've dated any kids, so they're they're safe. Where
Speaker 1: are you coming to us from? I am coming to
Speaker 1: you from Nashville. I just moved here a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago from New York City, and it's been good
Speaker 1: so far. The South is the South has been good
Speaker 1: to me. Oh, it's been nice. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people making their you know that. We've had other guests
Speaker 1: not resist the allure of Tennessee. Yeah. I mean it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the less weird version of Portland's just
Speaker 1: as white, but a little less weird. Mm hmm. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at it to that. What what made
Speaker 1: you move? Was there like a general like New York
Speaker 1: is over? But I don't think it's New York it's over.
Speaker 1: It's just that like every apartment in New York is
Speaker 1: the size of a shoe box unless you're a multi millionaire.
Speaker 1: So something about being in like a heightened version of quarantine,
Speaker 1: where we were all just kind of like test lab
Speaker 1: rats in this box and you order your groceries so
Speaker 1: you truly never leave your house. And then once it
Speaker 1: got winter, you extra don't leave your house. So it
Speaker 1: was just kind of like staring out of the window
Speaker 1: like dogs waiting for their owners to them back. But
Speaker 1: no one ever came for us, and so the anxiety
Speaker 1: was just too much and the cost was way too much,
Speaker 1: and like, who knows if something is going to happen
Speaker 1: again and we're going to be quarantine, I'd rather be
Speaker 1: in a house, right, Yeah, So it was. It was
Speaker 1: just such a bummer, And I moved there to get
Speaker 1: my masters, and so the whole time I was in
Speaker 1: school and I was working full time, so I never
Speaker 1: got to like, I never fell in love with the city.
Speaker 1: I think if I got the chance to just like
Speaker 1: have one job and be able to go out in
Speaker 1: the weekends, I would have a totally different picture. But
Speaker 1: New York was just like a place that I lived. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's for a lot of people to like
Speaker 1: the hustle it is, which is a certain kind of
Speaker 1: a certain kind of fantasy. Yeah, you know, they just
Speaker 1: never live up to it. I lived there for like
Speaker 1: seven years, and then I just went back for like
Speaker 1: two days of vacation and I was with kids, So
Speaker 1: that also like changed the lens I was viewing it with.
Speaker 1: But it was it was like totally different. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was kind of cool, but that did make me realize
Speaker 1: how much I was just like head down working my
Speaker 1: ass off the whole time that I lived there. It's
Speaker 1: one of those cities that's almost not really a place
Speaker 1: that it's like Vegas, like people live in Vegas, but
Speaker 1: it's like should you like it's like living at Disneyland.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a good idea in your ten, but
Speaker 1: it's like in practice, you're thinking about whether you could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have two options going out with You're gonna go
Speaker 1: strip club or are you going to get drunk? And
Speaker 1: you can only do that for so many weekends in
Speaker 1: a round or shoot a machine gun? Oh too, shoot
Speaker 1: a machine gun, race a race car, you know, take
Speaker 1: a very expensive, shitty roller coaster ride, and then that's
Speaker 1: about it. You have a construction truck, you can you
Speaker 1: can like rent Giant, but you know what can parks
Speaker 1: out there? Because all that fucking gambling that revenue that
Speaker 1: it generates out there. I'm when I see the public
Speaker 1: parks and like, Jesus Christ, what they're night means they
Speaker 1: were really really nice. Such a specific compliment. I lived
Speaker 1: there for a few months back when I was in
Speaker 1: my political op days, and I just remember like we had,
Speaker 1: you know, we very quickly burned through all the same ship.
Speaker 1: Like in the first week, we're like, well, I can't
Speaker 1: go to fucking rain again, Like this is not gonna
Speaker 1: work from my body or my wallet. And then so
Speaker 1: but because we're doing a lot of like organizing and
Speaker 1: stuff in the area, we would go to certain like
Speaker 1: parks and community centers and everyone's like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this like, and they said this is the bad
Speaker 1: part of town. Like they got a better parks that
Speaker 1: we do. It l A, oh yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people have better parks. Yeah, I mean we have the
Speaker 1: we have terrible, Like to the point that I almost
Speaker 1: complimented New York City's parks when I was talking earlier,
Speaker 1: like that's that's well. It's the giant wraps that really
Speaker 1: kind of add to the feeling. It's almost like you're
Speaker 1: in an outdoor zoo. You're like that Is that a
Speaker 1: sheep or is it's like a petting kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're off leash, so they get to like, you know,
Speaker 1: just explore the explore the space. You're on the Sahara
Speaker 1: without having to travel. Yeah, it's like, oh look, those
Speaker 1: raccoons are hurting that those dogs, It's like, those are rats.
Speaker 1: Nature is beautiful, Nature is healing. L A just needs
Speaker 1: to turn every single golf course within the city limits
Speaker 1: into a giant park. And yeah, that's anybody who knows
Speaker 1: how to do that. Reach out to me. We need
Speaker 1: to we need to seize that ship a reach out
Speaker 1: to me, reach out to me. Hit me, let's board
Speaker 1: these parks like fucking pirates and scratchers. I haven't quite
Speaker 1: scratched off. You might build a fund this thing. Yeah yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, we're gonna get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going
Speaker 1: to tell our listeners a few of the things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We gonna talk about the war on Terror.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a look back at that bullshit through
Speaker 1: the eyes of Terry Albury, who was an FBI agent
Speaker 1: who is currently in jail as uh, the first person
Speaker 1: convicted under the espn Age Act since two thousand one,
Speaker 1: because he was basically like, oh, the FBI is basically
Speaker 1: sending people to prison and ruining people's lives for being Muslim,
Speaker 1: and this is fucked up. And he leaked it to
Speaker 1: the intercept and the details are wild and fucked up.
Speaker 1: So I just want to take a look at that.
Speaker 1: As we're nearing the twenty year anniversary of September eleven,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Trump's campaign to stay front
Speaker 1: and center of our minds, how that's going. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about America's a weird history of a you know,
Speaker 1: commercializing nine eleven memorabilia, all of that, plenty more. But
Speaker 1: first he knew we like to ask our guests, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search ustry? Okay, I have to
Speaker 1: there's a caveat here. Sure, So my last search is
Speaker 1: cheating dating sites. Now, I want to be clear that
Speaker 1: I was not searching these out for my own use,
Speaker 1: but I'm launching it. Of no, I would never but
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of launching a podcast and we're
Speaker 1: doing an episode about cheating, and like films and TV
Speaker 1: shows to talk about cheating, and I was thinking, what
Speaker 1: is that website that people can go to, And it
Speaker 1: was like a big conversation maybe five years ago, and
Speaker 1: there was some leak and it couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's Ashley Madison. I mean, I was looking for research
Speaker 1: for the show. I mean, first of all, it's hard
Speaker 1: to it doesn't really stick in your brain because it
Speaker 1: sounds like a fucking furniture brand. Yeah, and then it
Speaker 1: was it didn't turn out to be just all it
Speaker 1: was like men and bought like men. Read a recent
Speaker 1: review of people doing like are you thinking about using
Speaker 1: a dating site? Here's your options, and it reviewed Ashley Madison,
Speaker 1: and it actually is almost all real women because it's
Speaker 1: pretty much free to use the site if you're a woman,
Speaker 1: and then the men have to pay for credits, like
Speaker 1: almost like, h what's the where the guys are trying
Speaker 1: to like get a girl from like another country and
Speaker 1: they pay credits to mail. It's like that but domestic exactly.
Speaker 1: It's exactly like that, but domestic. And all of the people,
Speaker 1: i mean, based on this review, who knows how how
Speaker 1: real it is, but all of the people they said,
Speaker 1: we're completely legitimate and people are using their real faces
Speaker 1: on this profile. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Like
Speaker 1: on Grinder, it's it's a lot of torso down you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: That's really all you care about. What's what's the what's
Speaker 1: happened exactly. I don't need to see your face and
Speaker 1: whether or not you like long walks in the beach.
Speaker 1: I just want to know, does you're willing enable and local?
Speaker 1: Are you carbon based? You want some dick? Okay? Is
Speaker 1: there consent your carbon based life form? And you have wheels? Right?
Speaker 1: I got a question their tradecraft there on just putting
Speaker 1: their picture on it, because I'm sure there's also like
Speaker 1: location based stuff right there, like matching you with people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's it's pretty much location based
Speaker 1: and people give their height, weight and whatever profiled name
Speaker 1: they want to use, and then you just get it going.
Speaker 1: Because I guess the divorce is too expensive, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people on the site, I'm like, would your
Speaker 1: divorce be all that expensive? You know, like do you
Speaker 1: what are you protecting? It's like the dog, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't lose Sparky. Yeah, he's my only friend. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going to say that that is like sloppy
Speaker 1: because then like you could easily see your significant others
Speaker 1: like best friend on there, But then why you were there?
Speaker 1: Why they're there? Because he's doing a podcast episode about
Speaker 1: the website? Why are we asking these questions? And I
Speaker 1: met up with this woman to ask her about her
Speaker 1: experience on there for the podcast. Is it a crime
Speaker 1: to be a journalist? Is it a crime to be inquisitive? No?
Speaker 1: For like Upton Sinclair here just getting attacks for for
Speaker 1: trying to bring things out into the light. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're messy enough like that, that would actually be
Speaker 1: a fun thing for a couple to do, to just
Speaker 1: be like, all right, look like we just want to
Speaker 1: see who who around us, like are in trouble, and
Speaker 1: then we are like signing on that we're both doing
Speaker 1: this for purely for research purposes, and then just like
Speaker 1: going there and be like, oh, you know what it is,
Speaker 1: it's you make You've basically created your own d I
Speaker 1: y version of Jeter Is with Joey Greco. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you just do the legworking
Speaker 1: like trying to find the local people and then just
Speaker 1: setting them up and then tell them there's like hey,
Speaker 1: just recording your iPhone. Yeah, that'd be a big TikTok show.
Speaker 1: That's the stuff that gets viral on TikTok. It's just
Speaker 1: like people doing weird ship exactly. Also, the kind of
Speaker 1: show gets you stabbed probably by the fourth time, Like
Speaker 1: Joey Greco, how about that? What does something you think
Speaker 1: is overreaded? Disney Adults fathers giving their daughters away during
Speaker 1: the ceremony and wine related Home to Core. I told
Speaker 1: my boyfriend the list before we started recording. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you adding my mom on this podcast? He said,
Speaker 1: absolutely not nine. If you're listening, I don't mean you're
Speaker 1: Home to Core. Well, she's a big Wine Core fans. Okay, that'
Speaker 1: side of it, right, Yeah, But the Disney adults, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with Like I still watched Disney movies when
Speaker 1: I'm no nostalgic and drunk, But it's the when you
Speaker 1: start drunk feeling Yeah, the conditions must be met for
Speaker 1: me to regret. Well, when you're sad and depressed and
Speaker 1: you're just feeling like the world is on your shoulders,
Speaker 1: like Little Mermaid kind of brings you back to a
Speaker 1: to like a happier time. You know, you can like
Speaker 1: go back to where you were at that at that
Speaker 1: moment in your life. But it's the problem is when
Speaker 1: you start to incorporate it, like into your wedding and
Speaker 1: into your personality or like I have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends from high school that I see going on these
Speaker 1: like yearly Mecca type trips to Disney when I know
Speaker 1: that like you're trying to be you're like an aspiring
Speaker 1: YouTube like influencer and you have ten followers, and I
Speaker 1: don't know where you're getting any of this money. You know,
Speaker 1: like I know you're going into debt to take this
Speaker 1: little mouth selfie and say hashtag magic like and you
Speaker 1: say for wine based decre this can be anything from
Speaker 1: like a lot of like a wall made of corks.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about it, wine about it? Um like a
Speaker 1: decal that says like I like wine glasses exactly, or
Speaker 1: that like fermented grapes are of fruits. That's like getting
Speaker 1: your daily fiber intake from wine. Blah blah blah, right
Speaker 1: right right. And it's usually on a white background. It's
Speaker 1: and it's in script that's almost illegible, and there's like
Speaker 1: little stars in the corner. It's a it's a way
Speaker 1: of life. I think right right, Yeah, it's yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that. Look, I know it's the culture of Karen's
Speaker 1: and I don't want to shoot on any culture, right yeah,
Speaker 1: but that is their culture and the wine puns ship.
Speaker 1: Just don't stop, like because we're still in peak rose
Speaker 1: pun world. I feel like, no way Rose, Yeah, no
Speaker 1: way Rose. When I was at Target a while back,
Speaker 1: if we're still doing this ship, you're still doing this
Speaker 1: ship really okay, stop and smell the rose think, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess that's there. Like I said that, that's like
Speaker 1: their weed, you know, like if they're like for their religion,
Speaker 1: that's their weeds, the one you know. I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's nothing bad about it. You don't
Speaker 1: have a bunch of decor around your house. That's like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at wine glasses that say hit me baby,
Speaker 1: one more wine. Oh you don't have the equivalent of
Speaker 1: that COONa moscato. That's that's pretty good. Yeah, like I would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a real fucking thing on the spot. You know,
Speaker 1: these people are criminal. They've exhausted the fucking entire like
Speaker 1: pun vocabulary for one, Like I'm telling you because it's
Speaker 1: a it's the wine and pun world. I feel like
Speaker 1: it would truly go is hand in hand with people
Speaker 1: who feel like very red like literate and you know,
Speaker 1: well you reach the ven diagram of Disney adult and
Speaker 1: wine related to core with Hokuna Moscado, that's there. What
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated Costco Kirkland signature. I
Speaker 1: think it's underrated. Which thing though, which goes like late
Speaker 1: focus in well, focus on focus in? Is buying booze
Speaker 1: at Costco? Like that's something that if you're not doing
Speaker 1: at home, do it now, Like you're you're wasting your money,
Speaker 1: You're wasting your life away if you're not buying booze
Speaker 1: at Costco having a party, you don't get booze at Costco.
Speaker 1: Costco it's half the price, and it's twice the size,
Speaker 1: and they have all of their mixers, like their their
Speaker 1: gallon drinks. Those are also cheaper, and you just like
Speaker 1: stock up, go and go every quarter. You don't even
Speaker 1: need to wait for a party. Don't be shame, like
Speaker 1: go on your own on the first of every month,
Speaker 1: stock up and like just make it a part of
Speaker 1: your your ritual, your routine, right yeah, do they have wine.
Speaker 1: While we're on the subject, do they have they have
Speaker 1: the giant wines. There's the regular wine bottle, but then
Speaker 1: there's the magnum. They have magnum. I think a Jared
Speaker 1: Bones the biggest, and there's a Nevid Kadnezzar is like
Speaker 1: an even bigger bottle. This is I had a religion
Speaker 1: teacher tell us this when we were sixteen. Is that true? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the biggest wine bottle that And you're like what,
Speaker 1: Like you were just talking about the passion, so it's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine how it can get bigger than those
Speaker 1: big Like how do you even carry that? It's like
Speaker 1: the side because it's just like a stupid I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just tuned out because he would
Speaker 1: show like a man for all seasons rather than like
Speaker 1: pitching like and that was like his whole curriculum and
Speaker 1: talking about gigantic wine bottles. So anyway, shout out to you.
Speaker 1: I also have kitchen shears on this list. M I
Speaker 1: think people bust out a car cutting board and a
Speaker 1: knife for any old thing. You can just cut it,
Speaker 1: just stand above the pan. Snip snip snip. Sausages carrots.
Speaker 1: And then I also have the TV show Veronica Mars.
Speaker 1: It's called Classic. I love it. I think it's Kristen
Speaker 1: Bell's best work. Yeah, I bought a yellow nissanics Erica.
Speaker 1: Is that show? Did you really know? But I thought
Speaker 1: that was a cool car then and I and every
Speaker 1: time I said, I'm like, yeah, right, stand by it.
Speaker 1: You could you could be like, hey, who's that? Who's that?
Speaker 1: That completely missed me? Is that a it's like detective Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a grimier Nancy drew in
Speaker 1: what looks like Van Nuys, California. No like magic element
Speaker 1: to it, no magic element. But it was only three seasons.
Speaker 1: It got canceled, and then the fan base was so
Speaker 1: committed that ten years later they completely crowdfunded a movie
Speaker 1: and then Hulu picked it up for the last season. Nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, let's take a quick break and we
Speaker 1: will be right back. And we're back. And so I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this New York Times profile of
Speaker 1: this former FBI agent Terry Albury, who is he's currently
Speaker 1: in jail because he dared be a whistleblower on what
Speaker 1: the FBI was doing during like the end of the
Speaker 1: Bush actually like throughout the Bush administration into the Obama administration,
Speaker 1: and then he was arrested during the Trump administration. But
Speaker 1: he basically revealed just wild shit about like the profiling
Speaker 1: of Muslim people and entrapment, destroying innocent people's lives simply
Speaker 1: because of the color of their skin. And it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a wild profile because it's like you're just everything
Speaker 1: he's doing is like heroic, Like the way he's thinking
Speaker 1: about it, Like he's basically spends almost a decade of
Speaker 1: his life like trying to like dismantle it from within.
Speaker 1: He originally got into it like right before eleven because
Speaker 1: he weren't to like to pursue and like protect children
Speaker 1: from child predators, and like his family are like liberal
Speaker 1: people from Berkeley, and his goal was a black panther,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't know, like just not
Speaker 1: your typical FBI agent and because you're not white, and
Speaker 1: because he's because he's liberal, but also because it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm like I'm that meme of that black woman
Speaker 1: on her knee, Squinton, Like I included some pictures of
Speaker 1: of his like graduating class from the FBI, and like
Speaker 1: if the FBI had been profiling balding guys with goatees,
Speaker 1: they would have been in a better position to recognize
Speaker 1: and address that problem because he is the only personal
Speaker 1: color in his graduating class, and there at least three
Speaker 1: balding guys with there's no there's there's a there's an
Speaker 1: Asian guy too, okay, and then one woman with a
Speaker 1: tan who you know, maybe we can put that in
Speaker 1: the column. I don't know, but yeah, this this story
Speaker 1: is wild. And the things that he says right are
Speaker 1: things that are not surprising or things that we have
Speaker 1: not heard of you, but you can tell because of
Speaker 1: just sort of the clarity of which he's describing this,
Speaker 1: Like they're like, oh, this is like that, this is
Speaker 1: so offensive because we've known about the pattern of like
Speaker 1: entrapment that the FBI has been using and even used
Speaker 1: as they say, there's like even reporting around how the
Speaker 1: people who are attempting to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan
Speaker 1: very similar playbook, where it was the informants in the
Speaker 1: meeting saying, hey, what if we kidnapped him? Huh? And
Speaker 1: then they go along like yeah, I got them. They're
Speaker 1: they're gonna do some wild ship. So it's yeah, this
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's really I think it really just
Speaker 1: hardening thing is Like again, we're seeing another example of
Speaker 1: somebody who is trying to I guess, you know, not
Speaker 1: like not that he can write the ship, but at
Speaker 1: least try and course correct in the small way he
Speaker 1: felt he could, and then now he's in jail. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have complicated feelings about just the concept of changing
Speaker 1: a structure from within, Like I'm always a little I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I sometimes I doubt like at some point,
Speaker 1: especially because he was in for so long, like did
Speaker 1: it take that long to realize that this angle is
Speaker 1: not gonna work? Like let me transform the organization from
Speaker 1: within as the one guy trying to do it, And
Speaker 1: I'm just always suspicious of like how real is that
Speaker 1: in practice? Like what are you doing on a day
Speaker 1: to day basis to try to transform something that is
Speaker 1: so systemic? Yeah, Like what does that even look like?
Speaker 1: I think it probably looks like first trying to adhere
Speaker 1: to the systems that are in place to raise grievances
Speaker 1: within the structurally fucked organization in and then when those
Speaker 1: are rendered inert, then you are like, fuck, how do
Speaker 1: I do so I guess I'll just laugh along, because
Speaker 1: he says then he had to just sort of like
Speaker 1: play along with all the like islamophobic nonsense that the
Speaker 1: other agents were talking about, like yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe his reek, you know, his only
Speaker 1: recourse is to just be like I guess the only
Speaker 1: thing to do just come out very publicly and say
Speaker 1: what's happening, because there's not there's like three moves you
Speaker 1: set up and it's like, got you FBI, Now we're
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, advocating for like workers rights, right, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: there there is. There isn't a playbook, and I think
Speaker 1: it always surprises me. I mean, obviously I'm not white,
Speaker 1: but I'm always I'm working to be not desensitized to
Speaker 1: the shock. But it's really fucking hard, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like every day there's a new thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: did you know that we're racist? You know? And it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I I've been knowing so well, hold on, hold on
Speaker 1: how stories might be a new story? Actually, ah, how
Speaker 1: do I know that they're racist? Right? Just just in
Speaker 1: basic data gathering? But yeah, I guess. Yeah, the the
Speaker 1: amount of things that he was experiencing and having to
Speaker 1: witness it sort of makes like all this ship that
Speaker 1: you see, especially like the War on Terror propaganda ship
Speaker 1: that you see, where it's like these people who were like, man,
Speaker 1: we got to defend the countryman from evil doers, when
Speaker 1: really it was just a bunch of racists who said
Speaker 1: any person who came out of a mosque was a suspect.
Speaker 1: Like that's not of writing. Like the details of how
Speaker 1: it was conducted was straight up like they would just
Speaker 1: pick somebody. First of all, they would pay somebody to inform,
Speaker 1: so that person was incentivized to just come up with information.
Speaker 1: And I mean, there's this quote from a former agent
Speaker 1: who's not the person in jail Aubrey, but the agent says,
Speaker 1: I'd say most of our investigations were based on very
Speaker 1: thin leads from questionable sources. But what was the alternative.
Speaker 1: The government was convinced that there were sleeper cells all
Speaker 1: over the country and we had to find them, so
Speaker 1: it's just create what the government thinks is there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it all started with that, with the search for like
Speaker 1: w M d S and Iraq like that like that,
Speaker 1: but that turned out to be just like kind of
Speaker 1: written into the you know, cellular makeup of every aspect
Speaker 1: of the War on Terror, just like make up a
Speaker 1: problem so that you had something to spend money on
Speaker 1: and like could get your angst out and your racist
Speaker 1: anger out. Well, and that's the fantasy of the FBI too,
Speaker 1: Like it's so it's so self indulgent, you know. I
Speaker 1: think that they have this image of themselves kind of
Speaker 1: like like running through the streets and like very captain America,
Speaker 1: saving the world, and then they catch a baby that's
Speaker 1: falling from the from a tower, and I think like
Speaker 1: they have to work really hard to almost maintain that
Speaker 1: image of themselves. And then their solution is, well, then
Speaker 1: let's create problems so that we can solve problems, Like
Speaker 1: let's just find ship to be doing so that we
Speaker 1: don't need to address all of the other structural problems
Speaker 1: that we've that we've created. Make a other, make a
Speaker 1: bad guy, and then it becomes very simple, so then
Speaker 1: we don't need to be the bad guy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like almost like it's not even necessarily a policy of it,
Speaker 1: but this is just how American society is like manifested
Speaker 1: in this organization which is like this sort of secret
Speaker 1: police force which is you know there too uphold these
Speaker 1: narratives that we need to keep saying, like everyone's in
Speaker 1: immense danger from the outside from people from other countries. Also,
Speaker 1: these stereotypes that we have in our society, those are
Speaker 1: all true because we also look for cases where that's
Speaker 1: you know, we can reinforce those and let's also you know,
Speaker 1: very clearly ignore all of like the discriminatory and racist
Speaker 1: behavior of the people within the agency. Have you listened
Speaker 1: to the podcast Cops? M hm? So interesting? He also
Speaker 1: so the guy that does it is Dan to Birsky.
Speaker 1: He also has a new show that just launched called
Speaker 1: nine twelve that's about the impact of nine eleven. That's
Speaker 1: really interesting. But Cops is all about the reality TV
Speaker 1: show Cops and how that reality show, spanning over decades,
Speaker 1: like has had this huge hand in shaping like a
Speaker 1: quote unquote officers self perception, like what he thinks it
Speaker 1: looks like to be a detective and to be a cop.
Speaker 1: And so it's these like grown man children almost replaying
Speaker 1: those like fight scenes that they saw in Cops and
Speaker 1: then like wanting to get the to get the bad guy,
Speaker 1: and so they're like chasing the feeling of I don't know,
Speaker 1: like like catching people red handed or like needing it
Speaker 1: to be movie like and so then they create the
Speaker 1: bad guys so they can have that moment for themselves.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Yeah, we had Dan on before. I
Speaker 1: think the show is called Running from Cops. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, it's really mind blowing and I mean
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just it's like so written into the
Speaker 1: d n A that, like the shore that TV show
Speaker 1: down to like every aspect of what this officer saw
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of like they would abuse the No
Speaker 1: fly list to coerce Muslims and de spying on their communities,
Speaker 1: basically saying like we're going to put you on the
Speaker 1: No fly list unless you give us names. And then
Speaker 1: like just every everybody was under constant suspicion if they
Speaker 1: were Muslim, like everyone everywhere. It was basically FBI agents
Speaker 1: were sent into these communities to instill fear, he says,
Speaker 1: and then generate this paranoid within these people so that
Speaker 1: they know that they're under suspicion perpetually, and there's no
Speaker 1: justification for the suspicion other than the he says, suspicion
Speaker 1: as a state of being. But basically just you know,
Speaker 1: that is a pervasive and corrosive like force that's just
Speaker 1: like they're always It's not something that like you can
Speaker 1: like point to, but you know, you have the constant
Speaker 1: veil of suspicion and the possibility that somebody's just gonna
Speaker 1: sucking break into your house and make you give them
Speaker 1: names of your fucking best friends to like implicate them
Speaker 1: in a in a crime that's just like so poisonous.
Speaker 1: Oh and the and the thought of even the concept
Speaker 1: of informants, right, I think is is framed as this
Speaker 1: like sneaky strategy to get the bad guy, but in
Speaker 1: reality it only creates extreme mistrust, extreme divisiveness, and a
Speaker 1: feeling of oppression within the community. And then that even
Speaker 1: further is the decay of the community structure, which disproportionately
Speaker 1: targets black and brown communities. Yeah, all right, well we
Speaker 1: will link off to the article and the footnotes. It
Speaker 1: is definitely a worthy read and puts into context some
Speaker 1: stories that have been under representative in the mainstream media
Speaker 1: over the past twenty years. For certain, Let's talk about
Speaker 1: real quickly what Donald Trump and his campaign are doing
Speaker 1: to trend stay front and center without holding office, and
Speaker 1: without having access to an active social media account, all
Speaker 1: he can he you know, he has very few tools
Speaker 1: at his disposal because he's not like at the G
Speaker 1: seven with a mic and where he could just be
Speaker 1: like says some wild ship and then it consumes that
Speaker 1: fucking headlines for you know, weeks on end. So he's
Speaker 1: got to be very efficient and like right now, his
Speaker 1: tool kid includes rallies saying vile racist ship just straight
Speaker 1: up lies or I guess doing commentary at boxing matches
Speaker 1: on the twenty anniversary of nine eleven, So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the the last couple of points, you know. For example,
Speaker 1: his latest attempt at just creating a bunch of waves
Speaker 1: was him lamenting the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue
Speaker 1: in Virginia. He had this whole, you know, because now
Speaker 1: all he does is put out like press releases in
Speaker 1: the form of like tweets, but they're just so long.
Speaker 1: People just check out after the first sentence, one of
Speaker 1: the last ones of this sentences, if only we had
Speaker 1: Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, What
Speaker 1: an embarrassment we are suffering because we don't have the
Speaker 1: genius of a Robert e Lee, the guy who wanted
Speaker 1: to destroy the Union to keep slavery around. That's so
Speaker 1: that you know that that got that chummed the waters
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it didn't quite I don't think
Speaker 1: did maybe did the numbers that he was used to,
Speaker 1: you know, getting for saying things like that. Then he
Speaker 1: said something about nine eleven that I didn't realize. He's
Speaker 1: been saying like a few different lies about nine eleven.
Speaker 1: The most prominent ones were that he went down there
Speaker 1: with a crew and like helped do shit. That's people
Speaker 1: are like, I don't know, we we saw you down there.
Speaker 1: Not many people have heard of you bringing any kind
Speaker 1: of resources to help, aside from a camera to document
Speaker 1: you being there. And then he also said like he
Speaker 1: was giving money to charities and never did so he
Speaker 1: apparently say he's telling a new lie, and I just
Speaker 1: want to play his new lie for everybody to hear,
Speaker 1: because this is just again part of his self myth
Speaker 1: building that he does and he's normally used to. Well,
Speaker 1: I was down there right after the event, and I
Speaker 1: brought a big crew of people down and I helped
Speaker 1: a lot of other people helped. Those first responders are
Speaker 1: very brave and I'm telling you we used we were
Speaker 1: hearing creeks. I've never forgotten it. Uh, there was I
Speaker 1: think the United States Steel Building it was called at
Speaker 1: the time, and it's fifty stories tall and we heard creeks.
Speaker 1: I said that building's gonna come down, and two big
Speaker 1: fire me and grabbed me and grabbed other people and
Speaker 1: they just moved out of that area. Never came down,
Speaker 1: But I never heard a noise like that, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a scary situation, but the job they Okay,
Speaker 1: So he's lying like someone's elderly parent four five year
Speaker 1: old like either one. Yeah, there's an entire spectrum of liars,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I like how he goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: in the fire right, get out and you know it
Speaker 1: never came down, But I forget. That's like, that's his
Speaker 1: The art of the lie is to be like and
Speaker 1: you know it never did come down, to make it
Speaker 1: like sound a little bit truer that like it's not
Speaker 1: like they're exploded in the back. You can't prove it, like, right,
Speaker 1: did y'all hear the creeks with Donald Trump after nine eleven?
Speaker 1: Like what are you what? The creeks? Well, And he
Speaker 1: also tries to tell lies that can like, he purposely
Speaker 1: tells lies that can be verified because as a normal
Speaker 1: human being, you're like, no one would lie about something
Speaker 1: that would be so easily display in. But he's not
Speaker 1: a normal human being. And this particular lie reminds me
Speaker 1: of if you've watched the documentary The Woman who Wasn't There,
Speaker 1: it's just a documentary about a woman who like inserted
Speaker 1: herself into nine eleven survivor support groups and people that
Speaker 1: lost families and husbands and told this big story about
Speaker 1: how her fiance died and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, but it's it's literally just him, you know,
Speaker 1: and thing fell apart when someone just bothered to like
Speaker 1: look into it right well. And the shame too. It
Speaker 1: was another survivor that was like, this is not making
Speaker 1: any sense, and like but you're never like you would
Speaker 1: never do that, you know, Like I wonder if this
Speaker 1: person is lying about losing their arm and their husband
Speaker 1: died and then was saved by this firefighter and you
Speaker 1: just never think to yeah, and then and then you
Speaker 1: look into it, and then it's just for this, it's
Speaker 1: just an insult to people who actually went through it,
Speaker 1: like my friend Steve ran is easy who Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: comedy fake nine eleven joke for the comedy fans that
Speaker 1: he ran a CC nine. One of the guys from
Speaker 1: the what is It the League claimed that he was.
Speaker 1: They're also did the same thing. Well. And one last
Speaker 1: thing though about the boxing match yesterday we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I bet I said, look, they probably gotta fucking pay
Speaker 1: day for that. And there's sources out there saying that
Speaker 1: they put an obscene amount of money in front of
Speaker 1: the two Trumps to get them to do color commentary
Speaker 1: at this boxing event with Evander Holyfield, even though a
Speaker 1: lot of people who are like working on it, like dude,
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with like some Trump production.
Speaker 1: And the promotion comes like, sorry, look where maybe this
Speaker 1: will sell tickets because I don't know, maybe you will,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, if anyone can comment on physical
Speaker 1: prowess and sport, yeah yeah right, if anybody. That's how
Speaker 1: he was known young in his athletic career as the
Speaker 1: boy Don. He's like like at his biceps, they're bigger
Speaker 1: than Christmas hands hell, you love to see it? Wow,
Speaker 1: I bet they're so juicy. How much how how do
Speaker 1: you think they taste? Take a big old bite out
Speaker 1: of that? What do you mean boxing? Stop looking at
Speaker 1: it with like food. That he hasn't started a podcast
Speaker 1: like that feels like the obvious, like an Alex Jones e,
Speaker 1: just like Arrant Stream of Consciousness. I'm just surprised that
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. I wonder if someone's just done the thing,
Speaker 1: like you know, like if you've ever been in a
Speaker 1: podcast session and you're monitoring your own mike, so you're
Speaker 1: hearing your own voice come through your headphones, if they
Speaker 1: just put that on him, if that's like an Oculus
Speaker 1: headset for him when he's like, WHOA, what's happening? Hello? Yes,
Speaker 1: who's that you? Hillary? Like, and he never presses the record, Yeah,
Speaker 1: record three episodes, but none of them are available to
Speaker 1: THEE five thousand of the Sundowning with Trump Show. I
Speaker 1: don't know where that goes, but yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: just because there's no audience. I think that's probably why,
Speaker 1: like you can't Retwitter podcast, Yeah exactly. He needs a stimulation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take another quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back and we're just talking to
Speaker 1: break them that out the creek. I've never heard a
Speaker 1: sound like that. His lies always contain big guys, like
Speaker 1: these generals. They're big and handsome. And they told me,
Speaker 1: they said, you're the greatest president since Washington maybe, And
Speaker 1: this one contained like big firefighters coming to sweep him
Speaker 1: off his feet. Huge huge, These firefighters were huge, and
Speaker 1: they whisked me out of there, took me to their place.
Speaker 1: And there's even a super cut of him talking about
Speaker 1: big strong guys. L the size of that guy, powerful guy.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a friend, big guy, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest in the world. That's some big people behind me. Guy,
Speaker 1: big strong, big strong guy, big strong guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so he's definitely like, yeah, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: loves a friend, big guy, one of the biggest in
Speaker 1: the world, the biggest size of Christmas Hams. He did
Speaker 1: he say that Christmas Hams thing? Old. You know he's
Speaker 1: going to see his biceps. They were like they were
Speaker 1: like the kinds of chains they used to put on
Speaker 1: the side of navy battleships. So strong, so strong. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you think he I would love I wonder if, like Loki,
Speaker 1: he's paid an art us to do like a like
Speaker 1: a romance novel cover with him being swept away by
Speaker 1: one of these like these big guys he's always talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, like a fabio esque, just big chiseled guy.
Speaker 1: You should have seen him. He swept me away from
Speaker 1: the rebel. Really, it felt so safe in his arms.
Speaker 1: And that's how I want the country to feel with
Speaker 1: my new military plan. You just feel you're just in
Speaker 1: the tender and you're in the arms of a guy
Speaker 1: with biceps the side of Christmas Hams just as sticky
Speaker 1: and like how did you get the clothes in there?
Speaker 1: And the hatch work on the cut on the fat.
Speaker 1: He's really impressive. Al Right, well, I guess it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprising, given who was elected president of twice sixteen,
Speaker 1: that America hasn't been like super respectful, classy when it
Speaker 1: comes to never forgetting nine eleven. So our writer j
Speaker 1: M kind of look back at you know, nine eleven,
Speaker 1: the national tragedy and merchandizing bonanza, and yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: wild ship in here. So there was a big run
Speaker 1: of coins that came out very early on. There's a
Speaker 1: medallion allegedly made from recycled steel from the World Trade
Speaker 1: center that costs a mere thirty dollars, and they this
Speaker 1: is you know, noble. They set aside five thousand to
Speaker 1: ten thousand medallions for the victims families at no charge.
Speaker 1: So like this kind yeah, so we we turned this
Speaker 1: murder scene into a neck chain for other people to buy,
Speaker 1: but here's for free one for you because it's such
Speaker 1: a terrible loss. So sorry. In two thousand four, there
Speaker 1: were coins supposedly minted from silver recovery ground zero, which
Speaker 1: I don't know, from the pocket change of the victims,
Speaker 1: Like we wasn't there that like rumor that there was
Speaker 1: this like vault or something in the fucking basement. Oh
Speaker 1: some I just remember some weird folksy bullshit thing of
Speaker 1: like you know, there was like a lot of precious
Speaker 1: medal in there too, But I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: it could be true, but maybe it was recovered. But
Speaker 1: I remember that was like a big like a ground
Speaker 1: zero three kings where they're going going in depending Yeah,
Speaker 1: what part of the internet you were on at the time, right,
Speaker 1: So these they actually claimed were legally authorized silver dollars,
Speaker 1: which they weren't. They were actually made by a novelty
Speaker 1: company that also produced Harry Potter coins, which also not
Speaker 1: acceptable as legal tender as far as I know. And
Speaker 1: then in in twenty eleven, the federal government started selling
Speaker 1: their own nine eleven commemorative coin. Fort you gotta market
Speaker 1: up so that you know, you can take advantage of
Speaker 1: the fact that it's the real deal from the people
Speaker 1: who brought you nine eleven nine eleven coin. Sorry about
Speaker 1: our foreign policy, y'all. Here's a coin directed by m
Speaker 1: Night Shamalan, sponsored by m Night Shamalan, who could say, no,
Speaker 1: what a specific number? Two? Why did you have to
Speaker 1: be fifty seven dollars? Like what is you know? Is
Speaker 1: that the market number to make you feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: they were thinking about how value all that is. Probably
Speaker 1: they could have just had a hundred, but I think
Speaker 1: it's really probably worth close to fifty seven. The government
Speaker 1: is honest. There was a non coin related merchandise, the
Speaker 1: nine eleven coloring book for children, which you know there
Speaker 1: was for the ladies, I'm sure. Yeah. There was an
Speaker 1: image of Osama bin Laden being executed while cowering behind
Speaker 1: a woman in a Muslim his job, which is the
Speaker 1: text from the page. Yea, yeah, so this is so funny, man,
Speaker 1: Like they just basically turned never forget and to be like,
Speaker 1: never forget, we're now painting all people from the Middle
Speaker 1: East as evildoers. Never forget that the script were sticking
Speaker 1: to now like it was never about the United States
Speaker 1: because that's just this malleable concept that people bandy around
Speaker 1: so disingenuously to bolster whatever fucked up ideology they have.
Speaker 1: It's never about the actual country, just sort of saying, well,
Speaker 1: this is the thing you can't attack, so I'll put
Speaker 1: the country in front of me and then that will
Speaker 1: protect whatever nonsense I'm advocating for. Because it was like
Speaker 1: the other thing with the merchandise is I remember every
Speaker 1: TV show they were like doing stuff and people fucking
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the flag and ship and crying and
Speaker 1: they're like, I just feel so special to be part
Speaker 1: of this country. And it truly was put us in
Speaker 1: this era where you could not criticize the United States,
Speaker 1: like people who were on the news saying like, well,
Speaker 1: the reason people wanted to attack the United States is
Speaker 1: because of all the destabilizing activity that we do in
Speaker 1: the region that creates the hottest movements and things like that,
Speaker 1: and they're like they're van because you know, a fucking
Speaker 1: fighter jet is gonna like nut red, white and blue
Speaker 1: over like a football game or some ship. I think
Speaker 1: a huge part of that is, like not that Americans
Speaker 1: aren't or some Americans aren't racist already, but I think
Speaker 1: to keep people obsessed with America, they have to convince
Speaker 1: everyone that the rest of the world isn't free and
Speaker 1: you're the only one that's free, and that's why you
Speaker 1: should be so proud as opposed to like the reality,
Speaker 1: which is there's lots of places that you know, free
Speaker 1: healthcare and like when you have a baby, you can
Speaker 1: stay home with your baby, and what's that place sounds scary? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do they have challenge coins to commemorate their They don't
Speaker 1: have merch though. That's I mean, it's where they lose me,
Speaker 1: you know. It was also like one of the most
Speaker 1: lucrative kind of storylines that America has ever because like
Speaker 1: after the Cold War, the nolitary industrial complex didn't really
Speaker 1: know what to do with themselves, and then this gave
Speaker 1: them a new purpose, so they successfully cashed in. But
Speaker 1: it was generally like seen as not a great look
Speaker 1: when like Walmart recreated the towers out of cases of soda, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is there. I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: seen that picture. But he got the red, white and
Speaker 1: blue with the pepsi diet coke and coke cans, and
Speaker 1: then the towers are made of coke zero. And the
Speaker 1: thing is that people were mad that they were mixing
Speaker 1: pepsi and coke products. It should have done all pepsi
Speaker 1: because pepsi solves all of the world's injustices. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: we've long said that. Yeah. Can you imagine if they
Speaker 1: had that same ad agency around nine eleven, if they
Speaker 1: were like with the Kendall Jenner ad if they do
Speaker 1: something it's like Mohammed ata here, I think you just
Speaker 1: want to pepsi, sir. Yeah, yeah, he's a flight attended.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh my god. Yeah. It would have been
Speaker 1: United ninety three or whatever the funck, and it would
Speaker 1: have been a pepsi at this That's what this, again,
Speaker 1: is so weird about everything, is that there's not there's nothing,
Speaker 1: there's no sanctity to anything every because and I think
Speaker 1: that's really what all this reveals is there's nothing sacred
Speaker 1: in this country, absolutely fucking nothing, not even human life,
Speaker 1: because it'll just be a fucking merch display or a
Speaker 1: commemorative blanket or coin because someone else doesn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: They just know that they can use these events to
Speaker 1: make more money or more furious. So never forget. Nothing
Speaker 1: is sacred here. The nine eleven Museum is still open.
Speaker 1: The gift shop is still like putting out products like
Speaker 1: a cheese cutting board, a nine eleven commemorative cheese tray
Speaker 1: where it's in the shape of the United States and
Speaker 1: their little hearts where the hijacked airplanes went down. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's something like meta about taking a knife
Speaker 1: to a board that the something about that this is
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who made it, but it was an
Speaker 1: official selection they like the person who runs the museum's
Speaker 1: gift shop, which again the n I Love Museum maybe
Speaker 1: maybe shouldn't have a gift shop, but the person who
Speaker 1: run like, we're carefully selecting products to make sure they're tasteful,
Speaker 1: and yeah they and apparently this fell under that category.
Speaker 1: And it's also just kind of extra fucked up because
Speaker 1: then I Love Museum also has unidentified remains on the
Speaker 1: premises of so like many relatives of victims have actively
Speaker 1: protested just the idea of having fucking people selling mugs
Speaker 1: and t shirts and scarves. Well have they tried the
Speaker 1: cutting boards yet, because maybe that's they are pretty They
Speaker 1: do look pretty nice. Yeah, yeah, what do you what
Speaker 1: kind of fucking again, Like there's so many things wrong
Speaker 1: with this cutting tray, cheeseboard, fucking sharkou terrorism board that
Speaker 1: they've got, but like the only thing that this has
Speaker 1: it's a ceramic outline of the United States with just
Speaker 1: three fucking stars painted on like parts of the northeast.
Speaker 1: That's really so they've I'm sure they reappropriated some ceramic
Speaker 1: moments said all right, put stars there. It's nine eleven.
Speaker 1: My next thing is, if you are putting this platter together,
Speaker 1: are you like really treating that section of the cheese
Speaker 1: board is sacred? You're not just gonna lay a shipload
Speaker 1: of crackers and shipped on top of it and like
Speaker 1: honeycomb and further disrespect. I just don't everything about it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know how you present it in
Speaker 1: a way that someone goes, oh my god, is this
Speaker 1: a nine eleven commemorati? That's so thoughtful of you, Like
Speaker 1: this is You're such an ace with the decor, you know,
Speaker 1: and I love it, Thank you so much, and like yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and these wine eleven glasses that you made.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I mean does have
Speaker 1: to exist, right, there has to be wine eleven at
Speaker 1: this point, I mean, haven't we reached eleven? Can't help
Speaker 1: but forget or something like that, where it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, whine eleven, never forget your corkscrew. There you go.
Speaker 1: The gift shop is still going today, selling everything from
Speaker 1: toy cars for sixty dollars that look like just twenty
Speaker 1: dollar toy cars, but they have never forget written on
Speaker 1: the hood. And then there's also like a bunch of
Speaker 1: t shirts twenty years later, limited edition collection of just garbage.
Speaker 1: I just looked on a and there's some nine eleven
Speaker 1: like twenty years later, never forget face masks, and I
Speaker 1: just don't think that the audience like, where's never forget
Speaker 1: memorabilia and wears a mask ever overlap. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a wasteful product. Really. That's an interesting person though.
Speaker 1: I'd like, where's that New York Times profile? They're multifaceted,
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, but yeah, it's just I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so it's been twenty years. I mean, Jesus, like
Speaker 1: it's it's been so long, and you think of how
Speaker 1: things have changed so drastically just in the last few years,
Speaker 1: but how we're still like really having a problem having
Speaker 1: a real again because America hates a reckoning, having a
Speaker 1: reckoning with this supposed war on terror and the amount
Speaker 1: of money that was just hissed away while everything just
Speaker 1: went by the wayside here in the country. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I don't know, I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: back of like how that fucking I remember the city
Speaker 1: in l A. People were so hopped up on that
Speaker 1: patriotism ship. It was fucking why like every street turned
Speaker 1: into some like fucking jingle with It's just like everything
Speaker 1: was a parade suddenly, except for specific parts of the city.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I just felt like everything else was
Speaker 1: this just this like weird fever dream that people went
Speaker 1: through those first couple of years and like completely ignored
Speaker 1: what was actually at steak Yeah, hey, but that's it's
Speaker 1: like the government knows what they're doing when like that, Hina,
Speaker 1: it has been such a pleasure having you on the
Speaker 1: daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you
Speaker 1: and hear you and all that, Yes, you can follow
Speaker 1: me personally at Hina Rising on all socials and you
Speaker 1: can check out some of the stuff that salted logic
Speaker 1: is doing at assalted logic dot com. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. Yeah, this is uh my
Speaker 1: favorite tweet of this week, and it is serial killers
Speaker 1: in the seventies had no idea that they were going
Speaker 1: around creating content. Yeah, that's good. You you wrote your
Speaker 1: thesis about, like, yeah, my my thesis was about how
Speaker 1: podcasting is like transforming true crime to like have an
Speaker 1: impact on the justice system because the people that basically,
Speaker 1: like we write stories about like really pretty white, well
Speaker 1: off women, and then that stops the public from being
Speaker 1: able to recognize someone that isn't that archetype as a victim,
Speaker 1: and then it stops their cases from being solved because
Speaker 1: we have no the diversity of what we see as
Speaker 1: a victim is so small that like it impacts our empathy, right,
Speaker 1: and then podcasting has yeah, yeah, the women in podcasting
Speaker 1: that like, you know, women experience most women have experienced
Speaker 1: some kind of sexual harassment in their life, and they
Speaker 1: just have more empathy with victims. So instead of talking
Speaker 1: about like Ted Bundy and how he's so hot, which
Speaker 1: is kind of what true crime was for a while.
Speaker 1: They're talking about the victims and their pain, and it's
Speaker 1: transforming the way that we see crime because it's being
Speaker 1: told in this like empathetic, kind of female driven away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really cool, Miles, Where can people find You? And what's
Speaker 1: ther tweet you've been enjoying? Do boy? Twitter? Instagram at
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray. Also the other show if you like
Speaker 1: ninety Fiance, check out four Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra
Speaker 1: and I Where we do you know? Just look through
Speaker 1: the matrix of that show and some tweets that I like. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the first one is from from Tony Newsom at
Speaker 1: Trondy Newman. She tweeted, last night, my friend was trying
Speaker 1: to list all the fixings on a Chicago dog, and
Speaker 1: when she couldn't remember anymore, she lifted up her Jeane
Speaker 1: short leg and on her thigh was a huge Chicago
Speaker 1: dog tattoo and she looked at it and goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: pickle spears, This city takes my breath away. Another one
Speaker 1: from Trash Jones at Jay's Zucks, tweeting when glock when
Speaker 1: God closes a door, he opens a window. Unfortunately we
Speaker 1: are on a plane. That's pretty good, uh tweet I've
Speaker 1: been enjoying. Roywood Jr. Tweeted iPhone cameras are too good
Speaker 1: for them to still be charging us for school day pictures.
Speaker 1: I respect the hustle though that is still still happening
Speaker 1: and we're still paying for it. I'm not proud of it.
Speaker 1: But and the pictures are so bad. The pictures are
Speaker 1: because anyways, I think my dad tried to take He
Speaker 1: tried to show up and take a picture of me
Speaker 1: to try and save money. Once there you go. It's
Speaker 1: more they were like, what are you doing here? Pol
Speaker 1: Like you can't show up with like now with a
Speaker 1: camera to a school for the small children. You can
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Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy. Miles with something are we suggesting people this
Speaker 1: is uh, it's not gonna be Kanye West going to
Speaker 1: Taco Bell Tonight remix that might happen. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be from Bad, Bad, Not Good. They have a new
Speaker 1: track out with Kareem Reagans, one of my favorite drummers
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite musicians, like just a regular
Speaker 1: collaborator with Jay Dilla. And this track is called Beside April.
Speaker 1: And you know, Bad, Bad, Not Good. They're all musicians,
Speaker 1: so this is just a band playing their thing. But
Speaker 1: the track is this very smooth sounding and it feels
Speaker 1: like a like a psychedelic like Italian spy movie like
Speaker 1: score something like that. But it gets funk too. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm telling you. I'm trying to give
Speaker 1: people a mood so they understand what that's like. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: draw you into to listening to it. So this is
Speaker 1: Beside April with Bad, Bad, Not Good featuring Kareem Riakings.
Speaker 1: Damn all right, I am intrigued and I'm gonna go
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