Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments
Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one uh NonStop
Speaker 1: infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here
Speaker 1: is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, we are thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined by the very funny and talented brighter and podcaster
Speaker 1: who you can hear on the wonderful NBA Baseline podcast
Speaker 1: uh and his new podcast Never Meet Your Heroes, which
Speaker 1: he tells you all the most shocking details and twists
Speaker 1: and turns from celebrity back stories like Mark Wahlberg Shila
Speaker 1: buff We'll have to ask him if he included Miles
Speaker 1: Gray's rat on the limit in the UH in that backstory.
Speaker 1: Also Michael Jordans, He's one of the best follows on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Please welcome back to the show. Jabari OHI David. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me again. I'm not gonna alloe
Speaker 1: to you. I've already made the determination I'm never going
Speaker 1: to over you know, like out do you guys? With
Speaker 1: the intro, So my a k A is a co
Speaker 1: worker last week told me you're exactly like sugar Knight
Speaker 1: except for nice. And I guess what they really mean,
Speaker 1: because I've been told this many times before, is you're
Speaker 1: a big black guy with shaved head, so that's cool,
Speaker 1: and you got a beard too. Nice good. It was
Speaker 1: right there, It was right and you know what I'm
Speaker 1: stealing that right? You got? He's like, oh, I'm like sugar,
Speaker 1: and you hold their ass over the edge of your
Speaker 1: royalties right now? Yeah, exactly. You think that you're stereotypical bullshit?
Speaker 1: Remind me another time. I'll tell you. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a story about signing up for that man's you know,
Speaker 1: that man's big hit song at karaoke there in the
Speaker 1: valley and he walked out because he was upset. Oh
Speaker 1: wait what he was at the karaoke bar in Ireland
Speaker 1: thirty two. It's a it's a spot that's over there.
Speaker 1: I think, what is it like Burbank or not Burbank,
Speaker 1: like Van Eyes or whatnot? I was there, you know,
Speaker 1: Rob Vand was it Rob band Weak? Vanilla Ice was there.
Speaker 1: He was in the bag. He's having a good time.
Speaker 1: Folks are showing low. So I figured, hey, look we're here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and do this. I signed up
Speaker 1: for it. The song came on, he gets up and
Speaker 1: walks out because, like, I guess it was offended by it,
Speaker 1: but whatever, because you did maybe Yeah, it's like broken
Speaker 1: what we know you're from? Yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 1: respect that song. Have you ever made loving an inner tube?
Speaker 1: But Vanilla ice off of to the extreme? Is that
Speaker 1: a song? That's not the title, but he talks about
Speaker 1: making loving an entery tube, which is like the sort
Speaker 1: of thing that a middle school student which I was
Speaker 1: at the time, or I think elementary actually would like
Speaker 1: think was cool, Like yeah, anyway, had sex would be
Speaker 1: like that. That sounds really like uncomfortable and difficult. You
Speaker 1: gotta come from Tuban culture, not just Retuban but inner
Speaker 1: Tuban and embrace your inner Tuban while you're inner Tuban
Speaker 1: as filize. Yeah, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history? Last night, I was
Speaker 1: reading about boxers because everybody was watching the no like
Speaker 1: like like the Fisty Cuffs was because m my friend
Speaker 1: Jay King was talking about Logan Paul, the logan or
Speaker 1: Jake Paul who's the one who fights mm A or
Speaker 1: whatever they both do, just talking about how Jake is
Speaker 1: like a good character for fighting because he's like a
Speaker 1: villain and everyone knows it and wants to see him
Speaker 1: get punched in the face. And if you know that,
Speaker 1: you're the guy back to the karate kids. If you're
Speaker 1: the guy that like people will tune in to see
Speaker 1: you get punched in the face and you're cool with that,
Speaker 1: that's a good lane. That's a good lane. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was comparing him to other I was trying to
Speaker 1: look up, like who were some other like famous Irish boxers,
Speaker 1: and then I found this guy whose name I already forget,
Speaker 1: but who was like a famous Irish boxer who was
Speaker 1: also like an actor, and I was like, that's Jake Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was he also doing like black people versus
Speaker 1: white people boxing matches too. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: was also what the nineteen thirties was all about, right
Speaker 1: in the ring folks, right, because I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's weird that all the boxers were black, Jewish, Italian
Speaker 1: and Irish almost like those are the people that had
Speaker 1: to take the money to get their lives punched out, right,
Speaker 1: Like sort of did you see yesterday? A lot of
Speaker 1: people are like, did he take money to lose that fight?
Speaker 1: Because everyone was like, if you just kept fighting him,
Speaker 1: you would have probably won. But then Woodley lost in
Speaker 1: his spit decision. Yeah, and everybody was mad because they
Speaker 1: just tuned in to see Jake Paul got his lights clock. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know what, And it's perfectly
Speaker 1: as a money making scheme, that's what you do. It's like,
Speaker 1: well that's what I was saying, like for a YouTuber,
Speaker 1: if you can get paid to just get punched in
Speaker 1: the face and you get like a few million dollars
Speaker 1: every time, Like do that, untol and you're an idiot
Speaker 1: who doesn't need a brain to function, Keep doing that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then also recently I looked up the Paul siblings
Speaker 1: and found out we have the exact same white ethnic
Speaker 1: background related to the brothers. Yeah, they're a little bit Irish,
Speaker 1: English and a little bit German and Jewish allegedly, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I was also like, the Paul brothers are Jewish,
Speaker 1: Like I know nothing? And also is that my internalized
Speaker 1: anti Semitism for seeing these blonde idiot guys and not
Speaker 1: thinking try you know, aryan gods fighting on pay per
Speaker 1: view or most people are. The other part is I
Speaker 1: like how many people steal the fights to to also
Speaker 1: be like, first of all, I need to see him
Speaker 1: get his as beat. Part two, I'm not paying to
Speaker 1: get his ass beat because I know part three he
Speaker 1: probably has the fight rigged or something. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he keeps fighting. I mean he's carefully like selecting his opponents.
Speaker 1: Even though this guy was a professional mm A fighter
Speaker 1: who used to be successfully, he hadn't want to fight
Speaker 1: and like eight fights and he's smaller than him, he
Speaker 1: keeps fighting people who are much smaller than him because
Speaker 1: he's figured out that that's a massive advantage people basically
Speaker 1: outside his weight class. They're sort of turning it into wrestling,
Speaker 1: which is like, yeah, pretty smart. Yeah, absolutely, it's very
Speaker 1: I mean if he hadn't invented himself, like a like
Speaker 1: wrestling or like boxing promoter would have invented him to
Speaker 1: make money off of like evil social media influencer guy
Speaker 1: who everybody wants to see get destroyed, who like keeps
Speaker 1: selecting his his opponents so that they will never destroy him.
Speaker 1: And we just keep tuning and being like this is
Speaker 1: the one I really want. The guy who's sixty lighter
Speaker 1: and a nine inches shorter. This time. This will be
Speaker 1: the one that will be Yeah, I had no hope
Speaker 1: for this last one. I am hoping that he fights
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett though, the guy from the Browns, who would
Speaker 1: just fucking demolish him. I hope he fights Miles Great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I thought, yeah, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like Smiles I back. You could take him, fight dirty,
Speaker 1: you could sucking you could, you could hurt Jake Paul
Speaker 1: or I'll just start off crying again. Though. You might
Speaker 1: just see him at a Calabasas house party and like
Speaker 1: right exactly and then like push him. He looks at
Speaker 1: you the wrong way, and he says, he says, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And he does look just like Zapka,
Speaker 1: the villain from the Karate Kid if he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: what are these uh East Valley kids doing out here
Speaker 1: in count Basses? Like, oh, what are we doing here? Well?
Speaker 1: Maybe and then we're just all the goons come in
Speaker 1: and we and we steal all the things that aren't
Speaker 1: nailed down like we would at old house parties. And
Speaker 1: does everybody come out o this ashtray? It was made
Speaker 1: of marble? What is something you think is overrated? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know Honestly, I feel like somebody must have
Speaker 1: said this at some point, but I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: out almonds. When he talked about almonds, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they take up way too much water. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: they just kind of taste like ship. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: what if what if peanuts were like made of wood,
Speaker 1: you know, we're made of the vibe though that is Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like they're like splintering your mouth. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: like they're like and then yeah, they raw like a
Speaker 1: raw almond is just like I have the same thing
Speaker 1: with carrots. It's just something about the texture. Yea bad.
Speaker 1: I'm not the big and they're they're like bad for
Speaker 1: you know, all that water to use a Yeah, no
Speaker 1: funk almonds for real? Like does this extent to almond
Speaker 1: milk for you? Yes, yes it does. It does because
Speaker 1: we have oat milk now, so we don't need almond
Speaker 1: milk anymore. And coconut milk if you're if you're trying
Speaker 1: to replace like whole fatty milk, coconut milk is really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know what, people don't funk with coconut milk,
Speaker 1: which I think is wrong. I feel like coconut milk
Speaker 1: is underrated. Yeah, maybe that should be my underrated You wait,
Speaker 1: so you're saying you're the two of you like you
Speaker 1: just look at almonds and you're like, good, get them
Speaker 1: away from me because I like a I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I like a roasted almond. I'm not the thing it's
Speaker 1: got to be roasted, right, yeah, not in its natural form?
Speaker 1: Well what most of the nuts we eat are roasted
Speaker 1: right on some level. Like I don't eat rock gass shoes.
Speaker 1: I don't eat raw peanuts. I don't eat raw nuts.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I don't. But you know
Speaker 1: how it is. I'm saying, if it's like rock as
Speaker 1: shoes delicious, Oh rock ashes are delicious, Yeah, absolutely delicious,
Speaker 1: obviously better with extra you know, roasting flavoring. Sure, but
Speaker 1: I think, oh, natural cash whose are fucking dope? Okay.
Speaker 1: I just I feel like almonds became the default nuts
Speaker 1: at some point in the past, like ten years over peanuts. Yea,
Speaker 1: the healthy hard because they take a fucking it's I
Speaker 1: think it's something like a gallon per nut. And you're like, what, no,
Speaker 1: knock it off, fucking knock it off. We don't we
Speaker 1: don't need amo. That's where I'm like, we don't need
Speaker 1: almost that bad. You're not even that good, right, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're that good. And yeah, like like when
Speaker 1: you look at the water usage, like the little like
Speaker 1: curbs that they put on consumer like water consumption like
Speaker 1: regular gen pop water consumption, like it's the smallest dent
Speaker 1: in the world when you compared to just like doing
Speaker 1: anything to agriculture, like because they just like use all
Speaker 1: the water, right Yeah, because yeah, when you go down
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, this is how much water and almond takes.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but what about all the live stock
Speaker 1: that's where that's where the real water is going. Yeah. Ship,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is underrated? The show Leverage?
Speaker 1: You have? You just seen leverage. I have not, Okay, leverage,
Speaker 1: Leverage rules. Leverage is basically the premise of the show
Speaker 1: is every episode is It's It's It's It's a forty
Speaker 1: minute heist movie with con artists, except they basically like
Speaker 1: they they steal from the rich and give it to
Speaker 1: the poor people, and they do it by just running
Speaker 1: incredibly elaborate and absurd cons on people who suck and
Speaker 1: it's it is an extremely good time and more people
Speaker 1: should know about it because it's just it's it's just fun.
Speaker 1: Where where can you watch it? Is an old show?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was on from oh eight to two twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a new season two that I I think you
Speaker 1: can watch an Amazon Prime or something. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was originally and it's like a very it's a very
Speaker 1: like post two eight show in like the best way
Speaker 1: that I only sort of vaguely remember because I was
Speaker 1: like twelve, but like you know, it's it's very post
Speaker 1: to a thousand and eight in that like there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of rich people and they're all bad and the
Speaker 1: goal of the show was to screw those people over.
Speaker 1: And it's okay, right right right, just like anger about
Speaker 1: the the session and the subprime lending ship. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and it holds up right like even even
Speaker 1: when they brought the show back, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: the sort of old shows that they reboot like are
Speaker 1: bad because they don't you know, the premise of whatever
Speaker 1: was about is like and like you know that that
Speaker 1: Robin hood nous that you really speaks to you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a Robin hoodness. And then also this I just
Speaker 1: I like heist movies and this is like this is
Speaker 1: like five Seasons of high movie that's also con artists,
Speaker 1: which is just extremely fun. Okay, it's funny because that
Speaker 1: was one of those shows too where I just saw
Speaker 1: the poster and I'm like, I don't know what that's about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's about. It's vague. Looks like
Speaker 1: people standing in front of a truck. Okay, maybe they're truckers.
Speaker 1: But now, okay, this is interesting. Maybe I have to
Speaker 1: check this one. Yeah, it's a it's a good time.
Speaker 1: It was a t NT original. It looks like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when I was. I would never cast my eyes
Speaker 1: upon anything from TNT. So yeah, this all tracks from
Speaker 1: me back then. If you had suggested a t NT original,
Speaker 1: we would have cut your feed. Yeah, it's not allowed out.
Speaker 1: I do feel like there are a number of shows
Speaker 1: like from that tear of cable, like, um, I think
Speaker 1: Suits is one of these that I I just don't
Speaker 1: I never gave a chance, purely because they or on
Speaker 1: t NT or USA, and I was like, well, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna watch that White Collar and they're probably
Speaker 1: I probably should have, so I will check it out. Leverage,
Speaker 1: which you can watch on Apple TV for free if
Speaker 1: you have an Apple or the is that what it's
Speaker 1: called Apple TV or Apple plus whatever that is. They
Speaker 1: have replaced from the main characters with an iPad. However,
Speaker 1: it's as we talked about on yesterday's episode, the Apple
Speaker 1: original programming is all just shot through with like kind
Speaker 1: of the most aggressive product placement of all time. But
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back. And we're back and we're just gonna
Speaker 1: do like a general check in with the state of America.
Speaker 1: But before we do, we were realizing before we started recording,
Speaker 1: Jabari that the last time you were on was January five.
Speaker 1: It's been kind of an uneventful eight months since. Uh no,
Speaker 1: that's so the day before the insurrection you you were
Speaker 1: on here last. So I'm just warning people, you know,
Speaker 1: watch out for tomorrow Tuesday. We'll see what happens. Don't
Speaker 1: sleep on the influence of nice exactly, grow with the
Speaker 1: gravitational pull of Jupiter. There you go, There you go.
Speaker 1: But Miles, you were kind of, uh you put together
Speaker 1: some thoughts on just sort of this idea of America's
Speaker 1: practice of selective empathy. Yeah, it's just like you know,
Speaker 1: like just like last time with the media not talking
Speaker 1: about Afghanistan in one way, Like now I look at,
Speaker 1: you know, with the conversation talking about resettling Afghan refugees.
Speaker 1: I was just you know, seeing how the momentum was
Speaker 1: moving very swiftly, you know, because there's about eighty eight
Speaker 1: thousand Afghans that assisted, you know, occupying American and Allied
Speaker 1: forces during the Forever War. And now the US is
Speaker 1: like obviously scrambling to relocate these people to fulfill a
Speaker 1: moral obligation um since you know, like leaving them and
Speaker 1: their family members behind in the places like Taliban is
Speaker 1: like trying to have retaliatory attacks against these people just
Speaker 1: is what it should be done on a minimum level,
Speaker 1: if not more people. And then you look at the polling, right,
Speaker 1: Americans are pretty much on the same page like Democrats,
Speaker 1: sevent of Republicans are saying like yeah, we like we're
Speaker 1: I'm open to I I'm not opposed to resettling these
Speaker 1: people in America and understand like that the narrative is
Speaker 1: they helped the the army, so they should just like
Speaker 1: that's their ticket to the United States. And another story
Speaker 1: where I read about these South Florida Republicans who were
Speaker 1: very enthusiastic about welcoming these people. And I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't have any opposition to the fact that they're open
Speaker 1: that they feel, you know, aligned with this sentiment. But
Speaker 1: it just says like a lot right because like, at
Speaker 1: a minimum, it acknowledges that these people put themselves and
Speaker 1: their loved ones in harm's way to help the United
Speaker 1: States military, and they understand like the reciprocal nature of
Speaker 1: this transaction, Like that's okay, we get it, y'all all
Speaker 1: could have got sucked up helping the US. Are are
Speaker 1: are you know, brave men and women out there? So
Speaker 1: this this you know, equates to a ticket back. But
Speaker 1: like this other way to sort of underlines this fucked
Speaker 1: up way in which Americans choose to have empathy for
Speaker 1: displaced people, Like if you are working in service of
Speaker 1: the American war machine, then it's a no brainer that
Speaker 1: you know, like oh man, like because then it's like
Speaker 1: you were one of the good ones, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we came fucked up your country, you
Speaker 1: still helped out, you know what. That's worth a ticket
Speaker 1: back here, We thank you, thank you, thank you. And
Speaker 1: then you know, and then even though like normally the
Speaker 1: narrative around Afghan refugees, like on Fox has basically been
Speaker 1: terribly islamophobic and xenophobic and you know, ethno nationalist, but
Speaker 1: seventies six percent of Republicans feel that it is our
Speaker 1: duty as Americans to take these people in. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what the funk what does this say about
Speaker 1: every other situation that we're involved in that intersects with
Speaker 1: the United States foreign policy and displacement of people, and
Speaker 1: even domestic policy and displacement of people that where does
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a it's amazing to see how
Speaker 1: people can just selectively be like, yep, those people deserve
Speaker 1: empathy those people at the board or not so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, granted that you can draw straight lines from
Speaker 1: American foreign policy and intervention in Latin America to why
Speaker 1: we have this immigration problem. And on the same level,
Speaker 1: if it's like, well, these people are displaced because you
Speaker 1: get cheap fruit for the for fucking dole or whatever,
Speaker 1: that there's no there's no empathy, there's no understanding of
Speaker 1: what the root causes are. And it's just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just sitting there thinking, right, here's another
Speaker 1: example of all that. Right, It's what I wonder if
Speaker 1: it's because the cheap fruit is like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: implicating the consumer, you know it is it kind of
Speaker 1: gets it this undercurrent where it's like, yeah, all of
Speaker 1: this is being done to just feed the kind of
Speaker 1: massive consuming machine that America has instead of a soul,
Speaker 1: and we don't want to acknowledge that. Right, And if
Speaker 1: you go just slightly broader, right, the fruit is like
Speaker 1: one dimension because the whole point of fighting all these
Speaker 1: like all the intervention in Latin America was the way
Speaker 1: the US was fighting the Cold War. Kind the whole
Speaker 1: thing was like, do not do not like communism root
Speaker 1: on the continent, and we'll do whatever the funk we
Speaker 1: have to do by hook or by crook to figure
Speaker 1: out how to stop that momentum. So on some level,
Speaker 1: you could argue that this was happening to protect America's freedom,
Speaker 1: right like that that rhetoric is sort of that, like
Speaker 1: our logic was being applied. Yet again we look at
Speaker 1: displaced people from there and go, that's that's your problem,
Speaker 1: that's problem. Well, I mean, really, the it has always
Speaker 1: felt like the cut off, and it's it's very clear
Speaker 1: at this stage, especially over these last couple of years.
Speaker 1: To cut off is like, do we feel like these
Speaker 1: people have you have value to us? Do we? And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the three of us. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, those of us that actually
Speaker 1: have natural empathy, but I'm saying you'll, you know, general public.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes it seems like if they if we don't feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, there there's value monetary actual value to you,
Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter. And and and then and that's
Speaker 1: and that's more telling about you know, about society because
Speaker 1: you know, and it's actually it's not just how we
Speaker 1: look at you know, at you know, you know, people
Speaker 1: in foreign lands, how we look at people in America.
Speaker 1: If you are poor, you aren't you you're don't you
Speaker 1: ain't ship you know, like if you if you're not
Speaker 1: out here working, if you're not out there contributing to this,
Speaker 1: you know, to this system, then you you know, you're
Speaker 1: not worth our time. So yeah, it's and and like
Speaker 1: and I get though too. You know a big differences
Speaker 1: with Afghanistan, and you know, everything that happened in nine eleven,
Speaker 1: there was just you know, NonStop, it was a prime
Speaker 1: time TV conflict for for a certain point, and so
Speaker 1: people and there is countless TV shows, you know, and
Speaker 1: and films that were like talking about like what's happening
Speaker 1: over in the Middle East and things like that post
Speaker 1: nine eleven, that that was a thing that people had
Speaker 1: just like this sort of concept of but there isn't
Speaker 1: much talking about American intervention in other places and things
Speaker 1: like that and that this. But but then I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a historical thing, right, like because people know
Speaker 1: what what's going on in Afghanistan and like they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well that I understand why we need to extend empathy there,
Speaker 1: even though truly it's not even it's only being extended
Speaker 1: to eighty eight thousand people among millions in the region.
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing with like Black Americans. We
Speaker 1: fucking built this country, right, and the land was stolen
Speaker 1: from indigenous people, Yet these groups are still like I
Speaker 1: don't know what the funk y'all problem is, right, what
Speaker 1: is your what is going on? And and so it's
Speaker 1: just it's just it's like sickening to watch how certain
Speaker 1: issues that deal with things that are happening within the
Speaker 1: country and are so clear of like why we need
Speaker 1: to correct things, you know, but there's just not the
Speaker 1: energy for that yet. For these things, there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of there's just a lot of media momentum, and
Speaker 1: Americans can selectively say like, right, I I totally understand
Speaker 1: why we need to our obligation to resettle these these refugees.
Speaker 1: Yet we still are unable to look at all these
Speaker 1: myriad of ways that we're connected to other struggles and
Speaker 1: problems within the country and outside and still not be
Speaker 1: compelled because it's easy to turn a blind eye and
Speaker 1: you and you know, the next thing will come up
Speaker 1: and we'll all obsess about that I after they have to.
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, y'all know, like I appreciate shows like this.
Speaker 1: I appreciate ethnically ambiguous and you know, like those wonderful
Speaker 1: ladies and the and and both and answering, you know,
Speaker 1: for pointing stuff like this out, whether it's on you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the shows, whether it's on you know,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's on the timeline. And actually you know,
Speaker 1: through conversations with and in particular, you know, like she
Speaker 1: was the one who pointed out, like you we we
Speaker 1: as a country, we we definitely pick and choose. We
Speaker 1: definitely pick and choose what's going to matter, Who's going
Speaker 1: to matter, you know how much it's you know it's
Speaker 1: going to matter. And we really can't do that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's well, I say, we really can't
Speaker 1: do that. Yes we can, but we obviously really shouldn't
Speaker 1: because look at where we're at, right Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: And this whole thing is just about preserving like like
Speaker 1: you say, we were selective about where we choose to
Speaker 1: understand what's at stake or what the consequences were for
Speaker 1: other people based on certain policies, and and like then
Speaker 1: the second we try to inform people right of like history,
Speaker 1: we see what happens, it's just met with rage and
Speaker 1: violence because it's you know, the the whole the ignorance
Speaker 1: is meant to intended to sort of preserve this American
Speaker 1: sense of moral purity. And with Afghanistan, I think it
Speaker 1: gives people a really easy thing to be like, up,
Speaker 1: there was a war there. These people are basically they
Speaker 1: fought on this team, so they get to come on
Speaker 1: back on the bus back to the locker room after
Speaker 1: the game kind of mentality. But the second, it begot
Speaker 1: begins to really sort of intersect with something a little
Speaker 1: more like closer to home or something that you may
Speaker 1: actually have to think about deeper than just merely this
Speaker 1: like very clean sort of logic path. Then it becomes
Speaker 1: chaotic and things like that, and it's yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's fucked up because there's countless ways that people are
Speaker 1: being left behind, whether it's in the Middle East, in
Speaker 1: South Asia wherever. But we you know, we we we
Speaker 1: chug along on this path and like we only see
Speaker 1: things get worse. I'm just kind of thinking, like what
Speaker 1: does it take, you know, because if it's not about
Speaker 1: connecting people to the history to understand sort of like
Speaker 1: the US's place in that, what like what will do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's Americans seem particularly bad at feeling empathy towards poor
Speaker 1: people in our own country because I think they're you know,
Speaker 1: we I talk on to hear a lot about like
Speaker 1: just the work, the like psychological work that needs to
Speaker 1: be done too for like kind of the passive white
Speaker 1: supremacists in the country to just like go about their
Speaker 1: daily lives and like kind of pushed down whatever that
Speaker 1: that reality is, whatever realities are hitting them. Like whether
Speaker 1: it's somebody living on the street or you know, the
Speaker 1: videos of police shooting innocent people of color. Like, there's
Speaker 1: just so much work that's having to be done for
Speaker 1: them to like block that out. And so by letting
Speaker 1: in empathy for anybody in the country already, you're almost
Speaker 1: having to admit like that that whole thing is on
Speaker 1: shaky foundation, Whereas I feel like the Afghanistan War and
Speaker 1: the Iraq War, the media and the American people were
Speaker 1: able to like kind of think of it as a
Speaker 1: thing that was separate from them, So that's enabling them.
Speaker 1: And then you know, the specifics of the really shocking
Speaker 1: and horrifying footage from the airport, especially in those early days,
Speaker 1: I think like probably just crystallized things in the kind
Speaker 1: of American consciousness, which is wild though too, because there's
Speaker 1: so many people that are destitute here and and yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's just this, it's like we just want to
Speaker 1: put our eyes on the thing that feels like it
Speaker 1: can be solved in that one thing. Oh, the Afghanistan
Speaker 1: thing can be solved if we get enough people on planes,
Speaker 1: and then it's over and off to think about it
Speaker 1: and it's done. I look at you know, you look
Speaker 1: at things that happened in the streets of any city, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: of Baltimore, New York, l A. Wherever there's there's real problems,
Speaker 1: and it's much easier, I guess, to go down that
Speaker 1: path to think of how we can solve that is
Speaker 1: just too much of a task for some people to
Speaker 1: engage in mentally, when most of it really is just
Speaker 1: about being like, no one's asking you to solve it,
Speaker 1: but like fun man have the same feeling for for
Speaker 1: that if you if your heart's broken seeing people who
Speaker 1: are clinging to you know, trying to escape their country
Speaker 1: to get here, and you can somewhat understand like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. Just just open your heart a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to be able to have
Speaker 1: that sort of same level of compassion for more people.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, that's just that's me being like,
Speaker 1: what's what's wrong with us? But it also feels like
Speaker 1: all of this is you know, very very specifically by designing, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, there's a reason why we didn't ever see
Speaker 1: the footage of you know, like what was going on
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. There's a reason why we didn't see the
Speaker 1: body council's reason why they didn't even keep tracking a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, in a lot of situations, there's
Speaker 1: a really like it and the same thing goes where
Speaker 1: you know, you know, domestically, individuals are no longer seen
Speaker 1: as individuals if we just call them gangs or we
Speaker 1: say that it's gang violence instead of saying like, these
Speaker 1: are people, these are Americans that are you know, they're suffering,
Speaker 1: that are in terrible situations, that are you know, innocent,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be you beyond beliefs at at at In
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of situations, it's easy to
Speaker 1: just ignore. It's easy to do. You're like you to
Speaker 1: look past people like it's the same it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You pull up, you put like let's say you're getting
Speaker 1: off the freeway, you're getting off the four or five,
Speaker 1: there's a dude sitting there right at you know, right there,
Speaker 1: waiting for money. It's really easy. Folks will roll that
Speaker 1: window of turn the music up and look forward. That's
Speaker 1: what we've always done. Yeah, and I just yeah, and
Speaker 1: I know like on some level, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a feeling of shame or powerlessness, like someone you know,
Speaker 1: depending on how you you process it at times, like
Speaker 1: for me, it's like a feeling of shame, like funck man,
Speaker 1: Like I can't like this. I feel so helpless that
Speaker 1: there's this person who's my age, who is We're probably
Speaker 1: coming from very similar circumstances, and this is how things
Speaker 1: shake up, because this is how things are, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of designed in the country. Yeah, it's just and
Speaker 1: I think it's it can be overwhelming for a lot
Speaker 1: of people on some level too, But it's just like
Speaker 1: this sort of very it's it's like one of the
Speaker 1: many superpowers that Americans and American media have created to
Speaker 1: sort of keep the status quo going in this direction,
Speaker 1: which is one that doesn't really care for people that
Speaker 1: are marginalized or in need of help. Just focus on,
Speaker 1: like focus on the people who who got it right.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh talk about a new research poll
Speaker 1: from Pew that is revealing the one of the big
Speaker 1: differences between red and blue that we we weren't aware of.
Speaker 1: I wasn't personally aware of. Yeah, it kind of makes sense. Well,
Speaker 1: what is this new where is this new arena for
Speaker 1: the political engagement? It is over the topic of walking
Speaker 1: around your town. So when they look at these theys.
Speaker 1: They just took a quick survey. I'm just curious about, like,
Speaker 1: in the post pandemic, do people want to like live
Speaker 1: in larger homes or that might maybe more spread apart
Speaker 1: with distance between them? Do would they rather be closer
Speaker 1: to people and be able to walk to places and
Speaker 1: just have like more of that kind of thing. So
Speaker 1: apparently only of conservatives that they pulled want to live
Speaker 1: in a walkable neighborhood, while seventy seven percent preferred driving everywhere.
Speaker 1: But what's funny though, too, is when it comes down
Speaker 1: to Democrats or people who identify as liberals, they say
Speaker 1: of moderate Democrats and fifty seven percent of liberals quote
Speaker 1: unquote want walkable neighborhoods, resulting in a split among Democrats.
Speaker 1: So it's just odd to look at these numbers, Like, sure,
Speaker 1: I can understand why if you love your fucking truck
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to walk around or drive around
Speaker 1: or merely because you don't want to be around people.
Speaker 1: But to think like for what you see is like
Speaker 1: stereotypical liberal ideology would be more like environmentally conscious, and
Speaker 1: maybe you think that people would be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: would like better design of or better planning of my
Speaker 1: city so I could walk around and do things like that.
Speaker 1: But it seems like they're split a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I understand why conservatives don't want a walkable neighborhood,
Speaker 1: but like, what is the so they just don't want
Speaker 1: people walking past their house. I think it's the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: if you're you don't want a sense of community problem. Ultimately, no,
Speaker 1: you don't want your house. You want your your land,
Speaker 1: and no one's allowed on your land. We see this
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, where it is not a walkable city
Speaker 1: and not a great public transportation city, although it's gotten
Speaker 1: better in some ways, slowly slowly, where yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: people don't even want other people's cars parked on their
Speaker 1: block because homeownership makes people fucking insane. I think this
Speaker 1: issue is super complicated, especially in California, because the walkable
Speaker 1: cities thing is also like sometimes that's a dog whistle
Speaker 1: for gentrification, right, but what we really need is just
Speaker 1: like better public transport. I mean, I think some of
Speaker 1: the walkable city stuff is also like taking this European
Speaker 1: idea of the walkable city where everything central that hasn't
Speaker 1: existed in California. Or anywhere in the United States since
Speaker 1: like the nineteen fifties, you know, ever since colors like yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, what if we gave you which I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure people had to have a car
Speaker 1: to live in this place, for sure, But even like
Speaker 1: even walkable cities, even places like New York that are
Speaker 1: like where the place where you can go everywhere, you know,
Speaker 1: people have cars, and people move to the suburbs and
Speaker 1: then drive from the suburbs. The idea of the suburbs
Speaker 1: is really the thing that killed walkable cities, and liberals
Speaker 1: are just as into the suburbs as anyone else. M right.
Speaker 1: This thing with like is especially in l a right
Speaker 1: like there's because people don't aren't really put estrians there
Speaker 1: in their cars all the time. It really diminishes your
Speaker 1: ability to feel connected to anyone else. Oh, I completely
Speaker 1: disagree with that. I totally disagree with that because I
Speaker 1: think the idea that you're like connecting with people around
Speaker 1: with you, that New Yorkers are always like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just talking to everybody on the subway, running into my
Speaker 1: friends all over town. Absolutely not. People can be completely
Speaker 1: isolated in a crowd of people. In fact, you can
Speaker 1: feel the loneliest you've ever felt in a huge crowd
Speaker 1: of strangers. You know, everyone is not your friend necessarily immediately.
Speaker 1: I have all kinds of social interactions from my car.
Speaker 1: I have like daysed and confused interactions, which to me
Speaker 1: is like just as counts just as much, just like
Speaker 1: talking to somebody on the street. What are dazed in
Speaker 1: confused interaction? You like, talk to somebody out your car.
Speaker 1: You roll down your window and talk to somebody. I
Speaker 1: went out the other night and I talk to like
Speaker 1: some guys on a motorcycle who started hitting on us
Speaker 1: from from the motorcycle. And then I went to Del
Speaker 1: Taco at midnight and I ran into my friend Michelle,
Speaker 1: who was also at Del Taco at midnight, just in
Speaker 1: the line at the drive through. Yeah, nice honking behind you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So that's what it's, you know. But
Speaker 1: I think the reason I bring that up right is
Speaker 1: because I totally agree in that even just being physically
Speaker 1: in proximity to someone doesn't necessarily create a sense of community.
Speaker 1: But there's a way that you can absolutely shut yourself
Speaker 1: off by being in a car all the time in
Speaker 1: a way that like it's it's much easier to insulate yourself.
Speaker 1: I know there are ways to do that in many walkables.
Speaker 1: What do you say, you know, headphones man Like people
Speaker 1: are putting their earbuds in like, But there's a difference
Speaker 1: right between you never seeing somebody like you know of
Speaker 1: of any different social class or whatever, and you have
Speaker 1: whatever idea built up because it's born out of some media,
Speaker 1: diet or whatever your social group says about a given
Speaker 1: another group. And I think being in a car really
Speaker 1: does allow that to reinforce in a way that I
Speaker 1: think is can be pretty exceptional. I think you are
Speaker 1: very much You're a very social person, and I'm also
Speaker 1: across the line. But I think there is like even
Speaker 1: for me recently, right, I started riding my bike more
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be I wanted to like actually
Speaker 1: feel like be around my neighborhood, see people out of
Speaker 1: their homes too, and reinforce this idea that like, I'm
Speaker 1: also around other human beings that are trying to live
Speaker 1: in the same way versus it's easy to get caught
Speaker 1: up inside, so I guess more so in the pandemic,
Speaker 1: to get inside your house and just start creating a
Speaker 1: sense of the world that might not actually exist because
Speaker 1: of like what you're consuming media wise. So for me,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is just more of a personal thing,
Speaker 1: I found it a lot easier to be like in
Speaker 1: public space around other people, and I'm not necessarily talking
Speaker 1: to people, but there is something that just feels different
Speaker 1: than being in a car and just like just having
Speaker 1: you know, like completely sort of insulated. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's also like I feel like in l A, people
Speaker 1: drive somewhere to walk, you know. So it's like people
Speaker 1: do walk, they just have to drive somewhere to walk
Speaker 1: there because it is a gigantic place and we don't
Speaker 1: have the greatest public transportation, right It's like, Yo, let's
Speaker 1: let's drive forty minutes to go walk Ford you pretty
Speaker 1: much that is, you know what I mean? And and
Speaker 1: I think that's what I love about biking, or I'm
Speaker 1: getting more into it now. I like cutting down a
Speaker 1: lot of shorts. I like biking. I do I think
Speaker 1: out there, I think biking in l A is kind
Speaker 1: of terrifying because of culture. You know. I've been other
Speaker 1: places where I'm like, it's easier to bike here because
Speaker 1: it's a like I do think having real bike lanes
Speaker 1: would be great for for l A, we could use
Speaker 1: a lot more bike lanes. Everything is definitely centered around cars.
Speaker 1: I do think cars here are a little bit like
Speaker 1: guns in Texas and that you will pry them out
Speaker 1: of our cold dead hands, right right, right right, because
Speaker 1: that's how Yeah. Like, so I do think we're just
Speaker 1: gonna get We've got to get better electric cars rather
Speaker 1: than trying. I don't think there's gonna be in l
Speaker 1: A without cars ever, probably no, No, people are like
Speaker 1: just habitually, there will be in l A without cars,
Speaker 1: but it'll be after like yeah, that's when the roaches
Speaker 1: are running. But yeah, like you know, my partner, for example,
Speaker 1: she's from d C, so her outlook on using a
Speaker 1: car is so different than mine, being a valley scum
Speaker 1: rat kid who like the car was your like to
Speaker 1: me was like liberation, like when you're younger. And so
Speaker 1: there are a lot of times she's like, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you just walk there? And I'm kind of catching with
Speaker 1: something like because this is l A. And then I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm completely fucking I'm not even looking at things in
Speaker 1: a way that will allow me to like actually just
Speaker 1: make it sure you could have good public transportation and
Speaker 1: walk ability, but then you'd have to live in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. I mean, as we found out in the
Speaker 1: movie Crash, sometimes those of us in l A crash
Speaker 1: or dank cars and what I'm saying again to feel connect.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me. Maybe it is because I just
Speaker 1: go out cruising all the time, looking for action and
Speaker 1: like you know, crashing into people, fighting with the city.
Speaker 1: As as Miles one said, he thinks I do all day,
Speaker 1: which is what I do all day. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: do just think like the idea that car culture is
Speaker 1: inherently isolating is not I don't think it's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also, yeah, it's nice to walk. I walk around
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. But also because la is so spread out,
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes you walk somewhere and you don't see anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's and I think that's what's also kind of
Speaker 1: a bummer too, because like I'll go on parts of
Speaker 1: the l A River and bike and like you'll see
Speaker 1: these like pockets whre there's a lot of people, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly I'm like there's like tumbleweeds and ship I
Speaker 1: love to some boys. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: this is again back to the urbanism stuff. Like the
Speaker 1: big issues in California are that we need more dense
Speaker 1: housing for people because we are a city of a
Speaker 1: lot of people, but there's all these single family homes
Speaker 1: and that's what everybody thinks they get if they go
Speaker 1: to California. But I can't have that anymore. And again,
Speaker 1: I do think people are gonna maybe hold onto that
Speaker 1: idea a little bit with they're called dead hands as
Speaker 1: climate change happens. Yeah, well, I think because we're sort
Speaker 1: of all inundated and like inoculated with the concept of
Speaker 1: like American wealth building is based on real estate holdings, right,
Speaker 1: which doesn't work anymore when the houses are burning down
Speaker 1: all the time and being you know, flooded by hurricanes,
Speaker 1: and especially as insurance companies start to drop people that
Speaker 1: are in natural disaster zones, which is what I think
Speaker 1: Mike Davis said is probably going to happen next, you know,
Speaker 1: because so far it's just been like everything burns down
Speaker 1: in Malibu or whatever, and then they just build it
Speaker 1: back bigger every time. But there will come a point
Speaker 1: when the insurance company has refused to do that. But
Speaker 1: then what happens, Like banks are like lobbying and they're
Speaker 1: like homeowners insurance is a is a right, Like it's
Speaker 1: fucking medical insurance. You know what I mean to do?
Speaker 1: You know? And I think I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: people are are also just thinking about where they do
Speaker 1: want to live. I do think that I do know
Speaker 1: some liberals who moved to some walkable cities because they
Speaker 1: were like, if I'm stuck at home during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I'd rather be somewhere I can like walk around and
Speaker 1: walk to a place that I want to go. Then
Speaker 1: in the suburbs, where I thought I wanted to be
Speaker 1: right and just walk four miles and all you see
Speaker 1: is like a desolate spearmit rhino, like an industrial park. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's the beauty to me, miles you know that,
Speaker 1: Like I love it. But yeah, like we people don't know,
Speaker 1: they're not used to that one in North Hollywood, well yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's like we walked to the Century eight, which um,
Speaker 1: I think is a different theater called something else now maybe,
Speaker 1: but I looked it up recently on YELP and was
Speaker 1: very delighted to see that the reviews were like this
Speaker 1: place is still very scary at night. Yeah, everybody was
Speaker 1: like this is the sketchiest parking lot I've ever been,
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I love the valley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, now they shot a fucking what's not wonder
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel in that park, I think. So you're talking
Speaker 1: about the one in North Hollywood, right, Well, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's a couple of scary theaters in North Hollywood though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that one by the old Wells Fargo Bank that
Speaker 1: has like the huge mirror lie So that's the that's
Speaker 1: the other one, that's the that's the Yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: one's closed forever. I think Century eight is still open
Speaker 1: and you can go see movies. Because I was like,
Speaker 1: now that the arc lives posed, where can I go see?
Speaker 1: Like if I wanted to see in like a Fast
Speaker 1: and Furious movie, Like, where would I even go? It's like,
Speaker 1: what if I just start going to that theater again,
Speaker 1: which I could walk to? So maybe that brings it back.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're right, maybe we all love walkability. That's right.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: back to talk about how COVID is affecting rap rock
Speaker 1: legends of our youth. And we're back, and Adam Levin
Speaker 1: has been replaced by super producer on a streaming corner, assholes,
Speaker 1: open your ears. Sorry, Yeah, hard to pivot from that
Speaker 1: very serious conversation about security and privacy and now the
Speaker 1: pressing issues of our time, the way we distract ourselves
Speaker 1: healthily from that television TV. Although this I feel like
Speaker 1: this show really nailed something about the zeitgeist or just
Speaker 1: I guess America. Oh White Lotus or yeah, White Lotus
Speaker 1: show definitely always is always nailing the ze gust. Hello,
Speaker 1: Anna Hosnie, thank you for joining us. What why why
Speaker 1: do we watch White Lotus? When you first said why
Speaker 1: are you watching it? What was parting? Well, okay, first
Speaker 1: I have to do my streaming corner theme song. Okay,
Speaker 1: go go go three six seven ten, batty d d
Speaker 1: do dude, it's a stream in corner. Bad dot dot dude,
Speaker 1: it's a stream in corner. You didn't watch White Lotus,
Speaker 1: did you? You didn't watch It is gonna happen to
Speaker 1: last time? When we were like, alright, well so I
Speaker 1: missed all that. I was doing my theme song. We
Speaker 1: were just saying that you have delaying because you didn't
Speaker 1: actually watch White Lotus when we asked you about Godfather too, anyway.
Speaker 1: Pretty I've ever been more offended than people just speaking
Speaker 1: through my forty five minutes stream of corner. And we
Speaker 1: were just so confused. We didn't want to get scammed again. No,
Speaker 1: I was just um, I was, what is it when
Speaker 1: you're like pulling from someone? I was pulling my inner
Speaker 1: Kim Cantrell Chanel. Um. I guess before we get into
Speaker 1: the just the talk, I'll I will read what the
Speaker 1: description of White Lotus is, so if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: you understand what we're gonna be ranting and raving about.
Speaker 1: They say from Mike White, the creator of HBOS in light,
Speaker 1: The White Lotus is a sharp social satire following the X.
Speaker 1: It's a various employees and guests at an exclusive Hawaiian
Speaker 1: resort over the span of one highly transformative week, As
Speaker 1: darker dynamics emerge with each pressing day. This biting six
Speaker 1: episode series gradually reveals the complex truths of the seemingly
Speaker 1: picture perfect travelers, cheerful hotel employees, and idyllic locale itself.
Speaker 1: There it is, and another interesting fact, Mike White did
Speaker 1: in fact go to high school or college. I forget
Speaker 1: with my friend Laurie's wife really okay, yeah, the other day.
Speaker 1: Now we're looking with guests, now we're cooking. He also
Speaker 1: did he write he wrote School of Rock. He's enlightened
Speaker 1: with Laura Derny Yeah, yeah, but also School of Rock.
Speaker 1: He's okay, stop bringing up School of Rock every time.
Speaker 1: But interesting, kind of varied career. But this is I
Speaker 1: don't know, very kind of keenly just sharply observed about
Speaker 1: the one percent, I guess, and uh and their relationship
Speaker 1: to themselves in their world and there their leisure, their leisure.
Speaker 1: M I don't know. It was how do we get
Speaker 1: into this? What do we? What do we? I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just say so, like I know there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of think pieces on it and all that, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really one that thinks too hard.
Speaker 1: So I just thought it was just like a fun
Speaker 1: dark comedy that just like kind of you know, showed
Speaker 1: that rich white people are just like vapid, idiot losers,
Speaker 1: and that's just kind of like funny to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some woman, like I'm really simple, Like if you're like,
Speaker 1: look at this rich white woman, like she doesn't get
Speaker 1: that like white men are over I'm like, it's me um,
Speaker 1: so like that's all it really takes for me. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think because a lot of people I felt like,
Speaker 1: we're mad because they were expecting this show to have
Speaker 1: some kind of really biting sort of commentary on what
Speaker 1: it was. And I get that maybe you thought because
Speaker 1: it was like adjacent to something really interesting, because throughout
Speaker 1: this show, like there is this juxtaposition of like understanding
Speaker 1: like what life is like for the people of Hawaii,
Speaker 1: like the relationship that it has to the mainland, and
Speaker 1: like just how like sort of the cast system that
Speaker 1: even Annexation has created in that sense, But there's also
Speaker 1: like there's just, yeah, this dark comedy aspect about it,
Speaker 1: which just sort of makes it palatable. And I in
Speaker 1: the beginning, I thought maybe this was going to be
Speaker 1: all broader commentary on something like that, and in the
Speaker 1: end it just was really just sort of this very
Speaker 1: more narrowly focused dark comedy. So I didn't mind that
Speaker 1: it didn't have that, because I also it was kind
Speaker 1: of one a very American thing where like the show
Speaker 1: almost was able to like observe an issue or like
Speaker 1: a controversy, but not quite have a reckoning with it.
Speaker 1: So it's just sort of like, damn that's sucking a while.
Speaker 1: The vibe was that the show rather than like, this
Speaker 1: is why we need to really seriously talk about like
Speaker 1: what it means to have annexed the Kingdom of Hawaii,
Speaker 1: you know, like all these other things, like what it
Speaker 1: means for these power dynamics among all these other people.
Speaker 1: But really it was just occupy Hawaii. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And and the kind of the great part about it
Speaker 1: is that, like it just I kind of liked It's
Speaker 1: like you didn't really try, and I'd rather you just
Speaker 1: didn't try, Like you created humor and the fact that
Speaker 1: like these people were really shitty and you're pointing it out,
Speaker 1: but like they didn't really make that much of an effort,
Speaker 1: and it's like I'd rather than not make an effort
Speaker 1: than make like a half assed effort something, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean and fall flat trying to be like
Speaker 1: deep with it. But I feel like the commentary was
Speaker 1: all there like that it definitely didn't end in a
Speaker 1: satisfying way. But the way it ended was that the
Speaker 1: people who you've kind of just been disgusted by the
Speaker 1: whole time because they are just myopically just obsessed with
Speaker 1: their own privilege, and like preserving the illusion that they
Speaker 1: deserve like every thing, and like fighting anybody who's in
Speaker 1: the service and service positions, like they just get away
Speaker 1: with it and don't learn their lesson and that's just
Speaker 1: like that that is how it works. Yeah, but didn't
Speaker 1: that all feel like just in the writing like very
Speaker 1: surface level, Like there were a lot of things that
Speaker 1: they just touched on that they very quickly, very like
Speaker 1: it was just like and then they like you know,
Speaker 1: moved on, Like I feel like, yeah, you know, they'd
Speaker 1: be like this guy hates the manager or whatever. Jake
Speaker 1: Lacey's character Shane hates armand. Yeah, Shane hates armand and
Speaker 1: it's like okay, but we're not really going to explain,
Speaker 1: like explore further like what the funk is wrong with
Speaker 1: Shane and like why, you know, like other than him
Speaker 1: being like, look, I was just born into this, okay,
Speaker 1: like what am I supposed to do? And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: surface level, that's who he is, and that's all these
Speaker 1: people are. They're all surface level people, right, Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: that is maybe that is the observation. So like just
Speaker 1: to give people an idea, like there's like this tension,
Speaker 1: there's there's character Armand who's like the hotel manager. Then
Speaker 1: there's a couple of Nicole and Mark, which is played
Speaker 1: by Connie Britten and Steve's On, who's like this wealthy
Speaker 1: couple who have brought their kids and one of their
Speaker 1: kids friends with them to just kind of like have
Speaker 1: one of those rich people vacations. And then the other
Speaker 1: story the other storyline involves Tanya, which is Jennifer Coolidge's character,
Speaker 1: who's like mourning the loss of her mother and is
Speaker 1: there to spread ashes alongside this newlywed couple of Shane
Speaker 1: and Rachel, where this journalist has like married rich and
Speaker 1: is kind of having this existential dilemma of like what
Speaker 1: that means for her. Yeah, but I think that there's
Speaker 1: something where when they're on vacation, they are left with
Speaker 1: too much time to think about like just themselves and
Speaker 1: how awful they are, so they like do things like
Speaker 1: create the issue with Urmand that that Jake has. Or
Speaker 1: Connie Britten, who's like supposed to be a Cheryl Sandberg
Speaker 1: type character, is like at one went like moving furniture
Speaker 1: around the hotel room, like just like doing these things,
Speaker 1: like creating these tasks and these problems too, just like
Speaker 1: focus on to like continue this like sort of endless
Speaker 1: like competition and like urge to prove something that like
Speaker 1: I feel like deep down they know they can't prove,
Speaker 1: which is that they deserve any of this ship. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: what's um? I I want to say that this one
Speaker 1: of the best things about this show, where like some
Speaker 1: of just the individual performances and I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just want to maybe go around and we can talk
Speaker 1: about some of our favorite people from the show. I
Speaker 1: remember when I wasn't watching yet and and it was
Speaker 1: and you're like, due to Jennifer Coolidge, it's fucking crushing
Speaker 1: this whole fucking show. And that's when I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm watching because I'm such a Jennifer Coolidge fan. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Tanya's character was called cool Dogs. Hey where the cool
Speaker 1: Dogs at? But yeah, like honestly her performance is like fantastic,
Speaker 1: and like her sort of storyline with Belinda and Natasha.
Speaker 1: Rothwell's character was just like this fucking strange journey of
Speaker 1: like white savior, doom and guilt and like also people
Speaker 1: trying to act like they were being authentic by offering
Speaker 1: or not offering money. It was a it was a
Speaker 1: lot it was a lot. Yeah, you know, Jennifer Coolidge,
Speaker 1: I mean truly like a legendary actor who like comedic
Speaker 1: actor who never really I think, like I feel like
Speaker 1: she gets you know, pigeonholed a lot in what she
Speaker 1: has been offered in the past. And it was like
Speaker 1: really nice to see her like playing this, like just
Speaker 1: showing that she has like this wild range where she
Speaker 1: can play like this, Like what is she She calls
Speaker 1: herself an alcoholic she comes to like an alcoholic psychopath
Speaker 1: or something like she's like under all you're just gonna
Speaker 1: find an alcohol like psychopath and you're like wow, wow,
Speaker 1: like that level of just like madness, You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: she's kind of And the thing is she's nailing it.
Speaker 1: Like her character, every person she interacts with, I immediately
Speaker 1: feel bad for them. And that's how you know she's
Speaker 1: nailing it. Yeah, she just walks up like you having
Speaker 1: a good You're like, she's trappings. So she reminded me
Speaker 1: of the character and shadows the energy vampire. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: just came in and would destroy the life force of
Speaker 1: everyone except the dying guy who she ultimately ends up with. Right,
Speaker 1: I do want to add this one thing. Those characters
Speaker 1: of Paula and Olivia like the gen Z college girls.
Speaker 1: My dad said he like they made him feel so
Speaker 1: uncomfortable that he couldn't get past the st episode because
Speaker 1: he was getting like zoomer anxiety. He's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: they're like they're just gonna fucking read your ass and
Speaker 1: like you don't know what to do, and he was like,
Speaker 1: yet he was feeling that off the screen. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't really get past it. First. They nail the
Speaker 1: cruelness that gen Z can bring in their critiques, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my, just like them reading at the
Speaker 1: look that they both give you at the same time,
Speaker 1: and you're like no, no, no, no, don't look at
Speaker 1: me right because these characters are like almost like you know,
Speaker 1: they have like the cutting commentary that like a five
Speaker 1: year old would where they're like, oh you're bald, and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, thank you child, but they're just like
Speaker 1: you're like an empty, like lame want to your wife.
Speaker 1: Like they have like this expanded vocabulary and know a
Speaker 1: lot more like psychological terminology, so like it's like the
Speaker 1: same kind of observation, but it just cuts you in half.
Speaker 1: But also they're just like disdained for things too. I
Speaker 1: think was really that line where they're like, do you
Speaker 1: guys meet on Riya You like, wow, okay you are
Speaker 1: He's just like, oh no, You're just like damn. They
Speaker 1: just come for you immediately. The reading is like the
Speaker 1: books they're reading are like he's like, hi, like Nietzsche
Speaker 1: and like Freud. Look, it's like okay, uh, nobody wants
Speaker 1: nobody actually reads that. But um. And then Jake Lacy,
Speaker 1: the like bro character who's like inherited a bunch of
Speaker 1: money and like it seems to have like the most
Speaker 1: violent conflict with like just well just with every everything
Speaker 1: about himself and like he's always reading Malcolm Gladwell Blanket
Speaker 1: and he's never yeah yeah and never making any progress,
Speaker 1: and it's always like at the same place I thought
Speaker 1: was he captures like a guy who says he's gonna
Speaker 1: read on a trip energy and it's like yeah, almost, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing the book here. I'm bringing the book there.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing I brought it to bed. No, I didn't
Speaker 1: read it. I was about to, but you know, vacation
Speaker 1: and I gotta say, Molly Shannon comes in. I mean
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon is honestly, like every every role she plays
Speaker 1: immediately is like she just progresses in a way where
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's so fucking funny. She just comes in
Speaker 1: as a mom who's just like, you know, like you're pretty,
Speaker 1: you know, like that wedding I blacked out. You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember you know, saying that. It's like, what
Speaker 1: are you saying? People say it's lovely? I don't remember
Speaker 1: that at all, but it was great, right, nothing, right? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like her, and I feel like the character Jake,
Speaker 1: the mom, Molly Shannon, and the two gen Z girls
Speaker 1: were like the ones that like stuck out to me
Speaker 1: as like the most I don't know, like I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen them on camera like in a thing before like
Speaker 1: nailing to that degree, like that archetype because there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of pain in them, like the
Speaker 1: like that is and the way they deal with it
Speaker 1: is like very pathetic and like just completely like transferring
Speaker 1: like their anger about one thing to another thing, and
Speaker 1: they just really like nailed it in a way that
Speaker 1: felt realistic and yet like so just obvious. And also
Speaker 1: Steve's on. I forgot about Steve's on until I saw
Speaker 1: him and I was like, oh wait, Steveson is actually hilarious.
Speaker 1: His whole like meltdown through the series of like he
Speaker 1: finds out his dad died of eates and and he's like,
Speaker 1: I just first he thinks he has testicular cancer. Then
Speaker 1: he finds out his dad died of eates because he
Speaker 1: was you know, bisexual or or gay. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: even know. It's not really explained. And then if I
Speaker 1: let these like starts to be like he starts to
Speaker 1: melt it down because he at one point he had
Speaker 1: an affair and decides he wants to be open with
Speaker 1: his son, and his son is he really not accepted.
Speaker 1: He's just like okay, cool, dad, Like, stop telling me
Speaker 1: about this. They're so like his character. And then just
Speaker 1: like that scene at the dinner where they're like, be
Speaker 1: nicer to your brother. You know, it's tough for young
Speaker 1: white guys. And then like Paula, they're like, well you know,
Speaker 1: the daughter is like you've never even asked Paula question.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, Paula doesn't know anything about me,
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I know about your balls, bro,
Speaker 1: what do you mean walking around lament that? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then He's like, Okay, ask me a question, Paula, and
Speaker 1: she says, what do you stand for? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: His character just like like what do I stand for?
Speaker 1: Because they're all that like emotional turmoil. He still lacks
Speaker 1: the depth needed to analyze any of it, but he
Speaker 1: can't do it. It's just I thought his character was
Speaker 1: like perfect, just like Dad, he's just like kind of
Speaker 1: checked out, so self involved with his own crap. It's
Speaker 1: kind of nice to see like Zon he like you
Speaker 1: can see that he can there's a like whatever this
Speaker 1: next phases him playing this kind of weird middle aged guy,
Speaker 1: like because that angs when he was younger, Like sure
Speaker 1: it was funny, but I feel like it really suits
Speaker 1: him now, like as he's gotten older and like you
Speaker 1: know that he now looks like he I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just feels like more spot on. And then also
Speaker 1: like Molly Shannon too, It's just really helped to just
Speaker 1: see like you're like fun, dude. Momy Shannon has like
Speaker 1: always been super talented, but like now she's getting like
Speaker 1: great roles to really you know fred or wings in. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought this was a great role. There's one more
Speaker 1: moment with Steveson the moment he gets the call from
Speaker 1: his uncle and he's like, well, how did my dad
Speaker 1: die of AIDS? And he's like he was sleeping around
Speaker 1: with men. That face he makes, I cried, just his
Speaker 1: I think his facial expressions alone throughout the series of
Speaker 1: just like complete confusion, like what he Yeah, he embodied
Speaker 1: the like circuits frying in a computer Reuters How made
Speaker 1: that a facial expression? And then the face he's making
Speaker 1: when he's just sitting like this the next day, where
Speaker 1: it's with his hand with his face in his hand,
Speaker 1: and his daughter's been like, that's really homophobic for you
Speaker 1: to be this upset about it, Like what if Grandpa
Speaker 1: was like a power bottom. It's a camp process any
Speaker 1: of the information. I mean, I was dying, Mike what.
Speaker 1: The creator and writer of the show's dad was Reverend
Speaker 1: doctor James Melville White, a former speechwriter and ghostwriter for
Speaker 1: the religious right figures such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
Speaker 1: His father came out as gay in so kind of
Speaker 1: lived in experience, right right? Cool? And are interesting? Mark Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then the other character, I just want to like
Speaker 1: Murray Bartlett as armand is like one of the most
Speaker 1: realistic depiction of like a relapse just of being high
Speaker 1: and like uninhabited and or uninhabited, and just like that
Speaker 1: performance is fucking incredible. Yeah, that, especially that last episode
Speaker 1: when like he's like fuck it, babe, It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: yeah that, I mean, his whole It's also like you
Speaker 1: really felt for his character too, because like you know,
Speaker 1: like he's he's trying to keep a ship together, he's
Speaker 1: trying to stay clean, and he's also like in the
Speaker 1: midst of like the most chaotic week of his career
Speaker 1: is like managing a hotel with like unruly guests, finding
Speaker 1: bags of drugs and not knowing what to do and
Speaker 1: like his own demons. It's like, yeah, it's funny because
Speaker 1: he provided a lot of comedic relief, but also like
Speaker 1: super like you said, like this very realistic portrayal of
Speaker 1: of someone just like struggling with their own addiction to Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also like that the people around and we're kind
Speaker 1: of like okay, armand no one was really that concerned
Speaker 1: that this guy was so off the deep end. Like
Speaker 1: you open your door and your boss is eating ass,
Speaker 1: Like that's the problem there. I was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, not my business and seen the show. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be surprised, but I think it's worth checking
Speaker 1: out for sure. Now, yeah, we should probably put a
Speaker 1: spoiler alert at the beginning of this, because this is
Speaker 1: no I think this is spoiler alert twenty minutes ago,
Speaker 1: spoil alert all you can eat. But fet I actually
Speaker 1: really like Dylan. He doesn't get yeah, I can have
Speaker 1: any shift I want. I do have more like right,
Speaker 1: And then I was just kind of like, yo, this
Speaker 1: is so gross. And then I'm like, well, this is
Speaker 1: this is this dark comation. It's like, finally, let's party.
Speaker 1: There is a scene last episode that's the grossest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen with Armand to be real, they have
Speaker 1: to have like shown actual like that that right, you
Speaker 1: can't fake that, or you it would cost a lot
Speaker 1: of money to fake that, or you just don't put
Speaker 1: it in a post. Yeah that's true. You think that
Speaker 1: would digitize. I don't think. I think it worse. I
Speaker 1: ran that back a number of times and just like
Speaker 1: watch it and frame by frame and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that you did your own studies yourself trying to replicate
Speaker 1: the shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like what are you
Speaker 1: doing in the bathroom. Like everything about the suitcase, I
Speaker 1: got a new one coming in the middle. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Anna as always such a pleasure having you
Speaker 1: and your streaming corner on. Where can people find you
Speaker 1: and follow you? Well? Hold on, I have to do
Speaker 1: my outro song for sure, boy, just because your as
Speaker 1: like another four that's the end stream, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can get the horn section from Scodio Policias, thank you.
Speaker 1: I also sampled that. All right, that's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, please like and review the show.
Speaker 1: Oh if you like the show, uh means the world
Speaker 1: of Miles. He needs your validation, folks. I hope you're
Speaker 1: having a great weekend and I will talk to him Monday.
Speaker 1: By M. E.