Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Jack about three hours in the future
Speaker 1: from the Jack you're about to hear from. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to let you know we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: the Free Brittany movement. And there's an update that came
Speaker 1: after we wrapped on the episode that Jamie Spears has
Speaker 1: agreed to step down as the conservator of her estate.
Speaker 1: Doesn't really change anything that we talk about, but just
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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, nine seven,
Speaker 1: episode five of The Guys, the production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 1: host Mr Miles Right Hey day, Oh no, I'm happy.
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Speaker 1: Usually you're very cold the second we end the requarters,
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Speaker 1: contact all right, Miles, Well before we get to our
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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to be joined by the duo behind Brittany's Graham,
Speaker 1: the podcast that, via analysis of Brittany's cryptic Instagram, helped
Speaker 1: spark the massive hashtag Free Brittney movement. Their new podcast
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Speaker 1: freeing Brittany Uh, they host the hilarious podcast Lady to
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Speaker 1: best intro we've gotten in a long time. We've been
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Speaker 1: Look at us, Jack, look at us. We might we
Speaker 1: might not be the second rate after all, now you are.
Speaker 1: But I mean, look, there's expectations, there's expectations being taken
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Speaker 1: look at our palms copper orange. What's good, guys? How
Speaker 1: have you been pretty good? We're good. Yeah, we're finishing there.
Speaker 1: We're good. We're finishing up like the last you know,
Speaker 1: a few episodes of Toxic and we're just very tired.
Speaker 1: It's been a crazy amount of work. But yeah, we're
Speaker 1: doing good. Just kind of the last home stretch, running
Speaker 1: on dunkin baby, just like America in not sponsored. Really
Speaker 1: are yes, I default, we're all running on dunking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing good. I'm actually in Denver right now doing
Speaker 1: some shows and I met a you know, ze gang
Speaker 1: member last night whose name is Bags Gray. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: your cousin Bags. She was like money in his bags Gray,
Speaker 1: and people always think it's weird, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean it is, but for anything or she's just back,
Speaker 1: I don't know. She said, she goes by bags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: grocery bags alternate universe short for zip lock bags. That's
Speaker 1: that's a very dope name. I'll take shout out to you.
Speaker 1: Shout out to you. What's your name? I like that? Also,
Speaker 1: are are we related? I think we all are somehow
Speaker 1: on some in some really fucked up way. Yeah, alright, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. We're also gonna catch up on the
Speaker 1: whole Brittany saga a little later on in the show.
Speaker 1: A couple of other things that we're talking about. Texas
Speaker 1: has successfully passed their voter suppression bill, so shout out
Speaker 1: to them, ruining America one bill at a time. Speaking
Speaker 1: of ruining America, there is that scene at a school
Speaker 1: board meeting in Tennessee that just, I don't know, just spectacular, offensive,
Speaker 1: frightening dipshit ory going on. And then well we'll get
Speaker 1: into some Brittany updates all of that plenty more, But
Speaker 1: first dabs tess. What is something from your search history?
Speaker 1: Sound artifacts? That's the last thing I googled it sound
Speaker 1: because our producer for Ladies a Lady said something about
Speaker 1: a sound artifact, and I was like, what the hell
Speaker 1: is that? And I didn't want to ask. I wanted
Speaker 1: to seem like I knew what it was. Because I've
Speaker 1: been doing podcasting a long time. I felt like I
Speaker 1: should know there's an unwanted sound, a mysterious sound somewhere.
Speaker 1: Artifact makes it sound like important. I know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of an ext Yeah of really exciting phrase. So just
Speaker 1: in there, it's stuck in there, stuck in the track.
Speaker 1: That's when you said found artifact. I thought I just
Speaker 1: said to like how like the British like talk about
Speaker 1: their like history museum where it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just found these artifacts all over the world. I
Speaker 1: found them, just artifacts, just found them. Yeah. I didn't
Speaker 1: wrestle them away from any anyone's hands after we gave
Speaker 1: him saying this is it looks like it was sawed
Speaker 1: off from something that's in Egypt. I don't know I
Speaker 1: found it. I swear to got its found. I was.
Speaker 1: I felt I was holding a saw and I fell
Speaker 1: and then when I woke up, I had found an artifact.
Speaker 1: That's weird. I don't know how that Rosetta stone got
Speaker 1: the stamp in it from the British Empire. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it must have fell on that I found
Speaker 1: it like this. I went to the Natural History Museum
Speaker 1: with my kids when I was in New York, and
Speaker 1: they have like the same problematic like diorama, you know,
Speaker 1: model things like with the Native Americans and like the
Speaker 1: Dutch greeting each other. But then now they have like
Speaker 1: writing over the window. That's like, here's why this is problematic.
Speaker 1: It's like they didn't bother redesigning it. They're just like, han,
Speaker 1: now we should question this, shouldn't we? So that's interesting
Speaker 1: is that gonna helps kids like Dad lift me up
Speaker 1: so I can read the full disclaimer. Kids are in
Speaker 1: museums for the plaques. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't learn
Speaker 1: a fucking thing at a museum as a kid. I
Speaker 1: was like, it was basically like still life TV, and
Speaker 1: I'm like dinosaur bug right right, pictures of an old boob. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my favorite part of them when back when boob's head hair.
Speaker 1: I guess they treated like how the Sesame Street episodes
Speaker 1: just had to disclaimer, like before the Johnny Cash Confederate
Speaker 1: Flag episode where they're like, now we're not going to
Speaker 1: not play it, but just to ask yourself, should we
Speaker 1: be doing this? Probably shouldn't. Okay, it comes the Man
Speaker 1: in Black well for cigarettes. Um. Something from my search history.
Speaker 1: I recently searched for where to stream The Simple Life. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can buy episodes and no, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay for this, yeah, which I'm willing to because I've
Speaker 1: got a real hankering to watch Simple Life. That's probably
Speaker 1: also problematic and probably there probably isn't up because they yet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't have a plaque in front of the Simple Life,
Speaker 1: but there it will it will be necessary probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like Paris is having her a
Speaker 1: little pir renaissance, so you know, maybe people can look
Speaker 1: at it with kind eyes. I just remember how much
Speaker 1: they would make the people they lived with, how uncomfortable
Speaker 1: they would be. You know, I'm like, this is kind
Speaker 1: of great, but also it was back because that's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite periods in television is just when like
Speaker 1: there was nothing more ammoral than just what was going
Speaker 1: on in reality TV. Like they were just like fuck it,
Speaker 1: how far can we go with everything? And it was
Speaker 1: a great television. Yeah. Yeah, when they put all those
Speaker 1: kids on an island and just like them. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like, here's the five doctors with everything that's wrong
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, kid Nation, kid Nation, kid Island is
Speaker 1: better it is. They should have just called it Lord
Speaker 1: of the Fly I know, right, we already have this
Speaker 1: Lord of the Flies of the reality show. Oddly, a
Speaker 1: child with glasses and asthma did die tragically similar to them.
Speaker 1: What is something you guys think it's overrated tomatoes. I
Speaker 1: said it, put it out there, go ahead, expand on that.
Speaker 1: I just think that they're too prevalent and they don't
Speaker 1: taste good. They don't taste good unless you add a
Speaker 1: bunch of shipped to them. And I think that it
Speaker 1: should they should stand on their own, and they don't
Speaker 1: do this. Okay, so your your beef is only with
Speaker 1: naked tomatoes. You're not talking about like tomato sauce here.
Speaker 1: I think tomato sauce is the only thing I accept,
Speaker 1: But any other form catch up, I guess catch up.
Speaker 1: But it's like, is that even tomato? Really? That's like
Speaker 1: barely a tomato. The American way to be, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had my vegetables, I agree to catch up packets
Speaker 1: with it when they like some I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: some shitty whatever organization lobbied to like have ketchup count
Speaker 1: as a vegetable and kids lunches, that's right, I remember
Speaker 1: that too, and so like they could so they could
Speaker 1: just serve as much garbage as possible, and they were like,
Speaker 1: catch up, it counts right, Yeah, tomatoes, I don't eat
Speaker 1: on there. I'm the same way, like as a kid,
Speaker 1: I hated them, and then I learned to like respect
Speaker 1: him on a sandwich because I'm like, oh, it's with
Speaker 1: a bunch of other ship. And I love salsa because
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other ship, and I'll have like
Speaker 1: a caprazy salad because with a bunch of other ships.
Speaker 1: But like my mom will just like slice a tomato
Speaker 1: up and just like half like I mean, there are
Speaker 1: would do that honestly. Also, I obviously was reaching. I
Speaker 1: really had a hard time, okay, so you coaxed me
Speaker 1: out of the shadows. Just got to be with other
Speaker 1: stuff for me. I had to figure I hated tomatoes
Speaker 1: as a kid too. But then I became a vegetarian
Speaker 1: when I was eight, and I was like, well, you
Speaker 1: can't be a vegetarian and not like any vegetables, you know.
Speaker 1: So tomatoes were kind of my first thing about like
Speaker 1: mind over matter, where I was like, you just have
Speaker 1: to make yourself start liking tomatoes and be more interesting
Speaker 1: being intersectional too. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a
Speaker 1: like cherry tomato or grape tomato. I think those tastes
Speaker 1: like what if grapes weren't sweet and tasted dirty instead?
Speaker 1: And we already have bets for that. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess pizza sweet. If you just want some dirt taste test,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think it is? Over it?
Speaker 1: For me, it's got to be Ikea. That's a good
Speaker 1: bring it home. I hate that place so much. I've
Speaker 1: never been happy in an Ikea. I've always regretted it.
Speaker 1: I find it exhausting, confusing, in labor intensive frankly. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: the stuff is like a price where you're like, should
Speaker 1: I just spend more to get a thing that isn't
Speaker 1: a piece of ship, you know, just like a little
Speaker 1: bit more. It's a weird, confusing thing where you think
Speaker 1: you're saving money, but it's not worth it exactly exactly
Speaker 1: are you saving money if you're buying disposable furniture? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're definitely fucking the earth because, like when you see
Speaker 1: all the clear cutting they're doing, like in Romania in
Speaker 1: places like that, to get that, would you're like, never mind,
Speaker 1: I guess I don't need this eck doll shelf anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's something about the experience of being in
Speaker 1: Ikea that feels like you're in a like an epcot
Speaker 1: for people between the ages of like thirty and thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand. I'm surprised there's not train from yeah to
Speaker 1: the cafeteria to like the end of the definitely like archetype.
Speaker 1: Archetypes in Ikea. It's like the the kids who just
Speaker 1: got their first apartment, like young people who are like,
Speaker 1: you've got to get some ship for the apartment. And
Speaker 1: you see those people. You see the new couple that's
Speaker 1: just moved in together and a fighting. You see the
Speaker 1: exasperated older couple with children who have like lost track
Speaker 1: of their kids, but like they've like don't transcend into
Speaker 1: another level of existence where they don't care and they
Speaker 1: there and there's your mom. I always say, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: never anything's just like sighings, Yeah, she's like this, but
Speaker 1: also like it's so confusing. It's like to me, it
Speaker 1: feels the same as being in a parking structure. I
Speaker 1: don't like being that disoriented. Like, give me a target.
Speaker 1: I can stroll through a target all day long because
Speaker 1: I know where everything is. Yeah, I feel i Kea
Speaker 1: was designed by the same people who design casinos to
Speaker 1: make it hard for you to like figure out where
Speaker 1: the exits are and just like keeping there for as
Speaker 1: long as possible. Just like intentionally disorienting, so time disappears
Speaker 1: and you get out and it's like the next morning. Somehow.
Speaker 1: I'm always impressed when you see people that work they're
Speaker 1: like cut through that because they know the fucking layout
Speaker 1: and they're like yeah, yeah, right through here, and you're like,
Speaker 1: are we you know, like this is where it is,
Speaker 1: like yeah, follow me and there, like but we're going
Speaker 1: to the opposite direction of the arrows on the floor.
Speaker 1: What is something you guys think is underrated? I can
Speaker 1: only think of food stuff because the world is so sad.
Speaker 1: I don't like to think about anything else. A spicy jellies,
Speaker 1: like a spicy jam. I'm replacing any jam or jellies
Speaker 1: with some spicy wow. Even on there's a Trader Joe's
Speaker 1: has this really good just spicy pepper jelly that's like
Speaker 1: insanely good. Have you had that ship on top of
Speaker 1: cream cheese? Oh? Yeah, you know it's also good in Japan?
Speaker 1: Will we do? Is cream cheese is cut up combo
Speaker 1: like seaweed on and it's like a decadent thing with
Speaker 1: the salt from the seaweed and the cream cheese. Under
Speaker 1: underrated bar snack that I've had over there. I say
Speaker 1: seaweed is overrated in every capacity. I don't like the
Speaker 1: taste of them. I don't like those I don't like
Speaker 1: those snacks. And when you're in the ocean and it
Speaker 1: touches your legs, it can go funk itself. I don't
Speaker 1: like it. Help is It's just that's my I was
Speaker 1: raised on like like screen saver images of what like
Speaker 1: oceans look like, and it's always clear. So like I
Speaker 1: remember as a kid seeing like like a kelp bed
Speaker 1: and a thing like, oh this place is dirty. No,
Speaker 1: this is not the sea. This is some growth that
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with it. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of I think of it a bit as like nature's
Speaker 1: bubble wrap, because they are pop kelp oh yeah, especially
Speaker 1: when they come on come to the yeah, yeah, come
Speaker 1: to the shoreline and you're get in trouble for smacking
Speaker 1: your friend with it on a beach trip. Just a
Speaker 1: just watching giant kelp forests like kind of sway in
Speaker 1: the water is also a nice, nice, peaceful but okay,
Speaker 1: I can observe, but I don't want to interact from
Speaker 1: I just eat that ship raw out of the Jersey
Speaker 1: shore ocean. I just throw it in my mouth like
Speaker 1: a sea monster. You scare your kids, wrap yourself, and
Speaker 1: I do. I do love a nice little crispy sess
Speaker 1: Me flavored, a seaweed snack dangerous for kids. Almost died.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said that before as a kid,
Speaker 1: because I would because it's a snack. You know, Asian
Speaker 1: people eating like nori, you know that that's like a snack.
Speaker 1: So I remember I would fucking eat just sheets of
Speaker 1: that ship. But I remember I was like four, and
Speaker 1: I you know, I took maybe three sheets more than
Speaker 1: my little tiny esophagus windpipe could handle, and it basically
Speaker 1: turned it like a dental damn over my wind and
Speaker 1: like my mom had to grab me by my ankle,
Speaker 1: like fish it out of my mouth to get you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was like there's a
Speaker 1: whole thing about inverting kids. They were choking, you know,
Speaker 1: but she was, you know, she had that like superhero
Speaker 1: mom strings. And I got it out and I was
Speaker 1: banned from eating it for like years. I was like,
Speaker 1: we can't trust you with this ship. I didn't think
Speaker 1: that you could use that as a dental damn backup. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and very attractive looking to just have your mouth and
Speaker 1: sheet for both of our safety. Yeah, there are multiple
Speaker 1: times almost choked to death. But I would have successfully
Speaker 1: choked to death with my hands over my head because
Speaker 1: that was the thing that my mom always made me do.
Speaker 1: She's like, were hands off your head if I was
Speaker 1: like coughing or like choking on food. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: forgot about that. Did we face that out? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it does anything. It certainly didn't help me.
Speaker 1: Maybe it calms you down or something. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like because I remember in the Nutty Professor at
Speaker 1: one point one of the brothers is like choking and
Speaker 1: she's like, lift your arm up, and I remember, like,
Speaker 1: is that real? Yeah, it's just more and troops about choking.
Speaker 1: I hope you had a lot of medical tips from
Speaker 1: Nutty Professor because that's a good place to yeah, or
Speaker 1: from us, both really solid places to get medical advice.
Speaker 1: I think it says raising the hands above the child's
Speaker 1: head stops the coffee or choking. This is a myth.
Speaker 1: It says raising arms when someone coughs might actually make
Speaker 1: the situation more dangerous. The motion of the arms influences
Speaker 1: the motion of the child's neck and trunk and turn
Speaker 1: the food, causing the coffin can shift and block the airway.
Speaker 1: A so maybe, hey, if you know what the they
Speaker 1: were doing the best they could. Sure test anything you
Speaker 1: think is under ridge. Yeah, mine's also a food, and
Speaker 1: it is the salads at pizza places, like just an
Speaker 1: iceberg salad, like just some shitty iceberg, some shitty Italian dressing,
Speaker 1: a couple of croutons of peppercini like that kind of
Speaker 1: a situation. Yeah, just the very spare, very sparse carrot shavings,
Speaker 1: little chunks of yeah. Yeah, really blacked olives out of
Speaker 1: a can. Yeah, I've really given up on a healthy
Speaker 1: salad personally lately, and I'm all about Yeah, just a
Speaker 1: total garbage, way worse for you probably than the other ship.
Speaker 1: You're eating so much dressing that way, So what aps
Speaker 1: what's your salad look like? You don't want to know? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I had one. I had one
Speaker 1: at like a steakhouse. The other it was a little
Speaker 1: in between, but it had cheddar cheese, hard boiled egg, iceberg, lettuce,
Speaker 1: onion and blue cheese dressing and just like and crutons,
Speaker 1: so just like nothing. It's not vegetables in there though,
Speaker 1: So it's salad. You know, I guess our cucumbers that
Speaker 1: I kind of avoided, but yeah, beat around the cucumber.
Speaker 1: The pizza salads, I feel like, are like an abomination
Speaker 1: the cores light of salad in that they distract you
Speaker 1: with the shoddy ingredients by just being really cold. Yes,
Speaker 1: exactly like my favorite shitty beer. Yeah, it's just perfectly refreshing,
Speaker 1: but it offers you virtually nothing. Yes, yeah, it's a texture,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I do pizza salad. I remember I used
Speaker 1: to work at this spot where all my coworkers love
Speaker 1: to border the pizza salad, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: the funk is this? It's disgust I hate wilted lettuce.
Speaker 1: It's like the worst fucking and have pizza salad. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is you're You're getting the worst of every world
Speaker 1: in one bite. Wait, are you talking about a salad
Speaker 1: on a pizza mont Yes? Oh no, bro, We're just
Speaker 1: talking about that cold salad that comes out like it's
Speaker 1: like a real half asked salad that comes Oh I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a salad on who that they that
Speaker 1: fresh brothers disgusting They do it at cp K two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes two wonderful things and it just ruins him
Speaker 1: because yeah, you're right, a hot hot rugula. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they I like a veggie pizza that has like,
Speaker 1: you know, the things that are supposed to go on pizza,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you'll order that and it's they just dumped
Speaker 1: a fucking salad on there. It's it's really a problem
Speaker 1: that needs to be what's an ingredient that absolutely shouldn't
Speaker 1: go on anything leafy, anything leaf? Right? Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: had somebody put a crispy kale on the salad that
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good. But that's not happening at like
Speaker 1: Dominoes or no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's men dumb knows
Speaker 1: kale Sally do you love it? Alright, guys, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: a little bit of news and we're back. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I did that. I guess because we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about Texas. Yeah, I think so got in
Speaker 1: your mind. You got the lone star brain. Yeah, got
Speaker 1: a little lone star brain going on. They the Texas
Speaker 1: politicians have successfully tried to our successfully ruining democracy in
Speaker 1: the state of Times. You know, latest state to pass
Speaker 1: more voter suppression laws that essentially make elections harder to
Speaker 1: vote in and easier to overturn or alter. Look out, folks.
Speaker 1: And this was despite you know, like a lot of
Speaker 1: Democrats left the state. There was a fifteen hour philipbuster
Speaker 1: from Democrat Democrat Carol Varado, but at the at the end,
Speaker 1: there's wasn't the votes for it, so you know, took
Speaker 1: its course. They voted it in. And this has been
Speaker 1: happening across the country. We've been talking about it ever
Speaker 1: since the Big Lie began to take hold, because that's
Speaker 1: when a lot of state legislatures used that as the
Speaker 1: logic for I guess what people called the second Big lie,
Speaker 1: which is that our elections are actually at risk and
Speaker 1: there's massive voter fraud across the country that has to
Speaker 1: be addressed, and so many of these bills are hitting
Speaker 1: the desks of governors to sort of seal the fate
Speaker 1: of our elections. And so this is how they intend
Speaker 1: to stay in power and possibly bring Trump back. And
Speaker 1: I think it relates to the sort of second part
Speaker 1: of kind of what we're talking about, because people X
Speaker 1: D o J officials have been testifying into Congress about
Speaker 1: what was going on from election day up until January
Speaker 1: and what Trump was trying to do, and we've learned
Speaker 1: all kinds of things, and essentially, like we came so
Speaker 1: fucking close to this thing getting flipped on its head.
Speaker 1: We came really close, and we didn't even realize it.
Speaker 1: We thought it's like, well, you know, it's like I
Speaker 1: couldn't been that easy. Well, there was a It only
Speaker 1: took a couple more rogue actors for the all the
Speaker 1: ship to fall into place. And the first thing we
Speaker 1: found out, you know, we've we obviously knew Bill Barr
Speaker 1: signed this bizarre order that allowed the d o J
Speaker 1: to like look into any fraud allegations after the election,
Speaker 1: and many in the department were like, there's not I
Speaker 1: know people are saying this, but like, we haven't found
Speaker 1: anything that even rises to the level that would actually
Speaker 1: necessitate an investigation. And then through these hearings, we found
Speaker 1: out that the second command at the FBI and the
Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General at the time, they were like, we
Speaker 1: we got these emails where you see that they're discussing
Speaker 1: like concerns from their staff over the part is in
Speaker 1: nature of these investigations like into the election and this
Speaker 1: I just want to read one of the replies from
Speaker 1: the Deputy A. G because it sort of paints a
Speaker 1: picture of like the logic that was circulating at the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice and also the pressure they were experiencing.
Speaker 1: Quote it may well be that the Georgia Secretary of
Speaker 1: State is correct in concluding that nothing nefarious happened there,
Speaker 1: but the fact is that millions of Americans have come
Speaker 1: to believe, rightly or wrongly, that something on toowards took place,
Speaker 1: and his incumbent on the Department to timely conduct a
Speaker 1: limited investigation to assure the American people that we have
Speaker 1: looked down these claims and they're just going like, but
Speaker 1: we don't know. It's like, well, then if there isn't anything,
Speaker 1: then they'll know that there isn't anything happened. But like
Speaker 1: we have to there's pressure. We're getting pressured to look
Speaker 1: into this ship. And then we also found out in
Speaker 1: Georgia there was a lot going on because Trump like
Speaker 1: wanted to get that guy Rathensberger to like remember he's
Speaker 1: like forget if I need twelve thousand votes or whatever.
Speaker 1: We also found out that there was a U. S
Speaker 1: Attorney that was in Atlanta who was pressured to say
Speaker 1: that he discovered widespread voter fraud and he basically wouldn't
Speaker 1: agree to it and resigned. Young J. Pack Okay, this
Speaker 1: is just from this article. Former US Attorney Atlanta told
Speaker 1: congressional investigators Wednesday that his abrupt resignation in January had
Speaker 1: been prompted by Justice Department officials, warning that President Trump
Speaker 1: intended to fire him for refusing to say that widespread
Speaker 1: voter fraud had been found in Georgia. While he did
Speaker 1: not discuss Mr Trump's role in his decision to resign
Speaker 1: at the time, he told the Senate panel that the
Speaker 1: President had been dismayed that Mr Pack had investigated allegations
Speaker 1: of voter fraud in Fulton County and not found evidence
Speaker 1: to support them. Right, I mean, it seems like we
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who aren't who are like saying,
Speaker 1: all right, we have to appear to take it seriously.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody who was like behind the scenes, like
Speaker 1: really trying to tip the scales, like other than the president.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was like a rogue US attorney to
Speaker 1: who was willing to go to bat and so he
Speaker 1: used his office to sort of bolster those claims, and
Speaker 1: there were just a lot of people who, you know,
Speaker 1: the acting a g was like, dude was getting calls
Speaker 1: constantly from him to do SHIP, and I just I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't, but I had to just be like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Presumably because they know their safeguards in place that they
Speaker 1: like they would have gotten caught essentially. Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: changing the laws so that those safeguards aren't in place. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And now a lot of these safeguards are coming down
Speaker 1: because you're seeing like in some places like Georgia, they're
Speaker 1: trying to pass laws or I think they have laws
Speaker 1: where if they find something that arises to fraud, then
Speaker 1: they can do an investigation and determine whether or not
Speaker 1: the you know, the results can be certified or not.
Speaker 1: And so we're setting this table so that just only
Speaker 1: a few people need to be in on the fix
Speaker 1: to make ship happen. Doesn't have to like there's just
Speaker 1: only a few people need to make the right decisions
Speaker 1: to just overturn an election. And if these states are
Speaker 1: empowered to allege that their votes, that their vote counts
Speaker 1: are fraudulent and can overturn them, we have no reason
Speaker 1: to believe that Trump wouldn't want back in because he's
Speaker 1: sort of like, well, then I win this way, because
Speaker 1: it's we're going to do the thing right that we
Speaker 1: didn't do right last time. And it's the perfect environment
Speaker 1: for him to run in and potentially re energize the
Speaker 1: whole January six crew to commit even more violence if
Speaker 1: he lost in the second election. So you know, blow
Speaker 1: up the fucking filibuster, y'all in the sentence so you
Speaker 1: can pass like, you know, these proper voting safetyse pesky
Speaker 1: safeguards that are in fact just really keeping us from
Speaker 1: going over the edge. Yeah, it almost makes me wonder
Speaker 1: if they're going to pull that ship. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think because I don't think Trump wants to be president.
Speaker 1: I think he just wants to win another contest. So
Speaker 1: maybe we just need to have like either make the
Speaker 1: elections not feel as much of like a contest, or
Speaker 1: to create a second contest that we can just let
Speaker 1: him win, right Yeah, Like yeah, like I think if
Speaker 1: I fucking give him a parade, I don't give a ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, let's just give him
Speaker 1: something to win, right, can he win being a king?
Speaker 1: Of some yeah, some island or something like that, exactly Americana. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he and he is the Americana. He just comes
Speaker 1: out and does speeches on a little balcony. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he comes out right on the terrorists in front of
Speaker 1: Katsuya and he's like, thank you so much, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Uh, please go to Gin Tai fung with
Speaker 1: they're doing off take home cotails. Very very local flavor
Speaker 1: for yeah, is like someone who lives near Glenda. Though.
Speaker 1: I would actually prefer that we pawned him off on
Speaker 1: the farmer's market. M hmm. Yeah, either one. You can
Speaker 1: have whatever one that wants. I think he I think
Speaker 1: he's coming back. I don't. I think all of the
Speaker 1: you know, people speculating that he might not want it,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like wishful thinking. I mean
Speaker 1: all he wants his power, and he is the easily
Speaker 1: the front runner for the Republican nomination. Like I just don't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like in my gut it's happening.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the early stages of you know,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll look back on the January six insurrection as like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was like the failed version like, oh, that was
Speaker 1: exactly the red flag that most of us thought it
Speaker 1: was okay cool. Yeah. Do you guys think though, that
Speaker 1: it's possible that he could just stay d platforms for
Speaker 1: the next three and a half years, because I do
Speaker 1: think that would make it significantly more difficult for him
Speaker 1: to Yeah. Yeah, but you see, even the press, though
Speaker 1: he his name comes up in headlines more and more again,
Speaker 1: even though he's saying the same bullshit. But they're definitely
Speaker 1: the media has like this whole narrative that they're seating,
Speaker 1: which is like he's screaming from the sidelines and Republicans
Speaker 1: don't some are listening somewhere, which is true. But it
Speaker 1: almost feels like it's gaining momentum again to begin starting
Speaker 1: to just broadcast every word he says in a press relief,
Speaker 1: no matter how insignificant it might be, just because I
Speaker 1: don't know old habits. Yeah, I don't think him him
Speaker 1: not being on Twitter, Facebook would be the thing that
Speaker 1: would prevent him from from running or winning. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because he'd be on TV running as a presidential candidate
Speaker 1: and then boom you a sign but on the you know,
Speaker 1: bumper stickers and all that ship like it's not like
Speaker 1: those have come down, like they're still out there. I
Speaker 1: feel like there may be you know, licking their wounds
Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, I know they already have.
Speaker 1: If I don't know if you guys have seen these,
Speaker 1: but they already have like the new rollout version of
Speaker 1: the flags and the signs and stuff. Yeah, we're seen
Speaker 1: Revenge Tour flags, Revenge Tour. What's the one down the
Speaker 1: streets as like make America good again or some good
Speaker 1: America back to being great. It was some like convoluted
Speaker 1: version of that, and it was like around the Great
Speaker 1: America come back around again. This is for the people
Speaker 1: of the Sun. Wait, Mega Maga America great again again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, either you guys need any branding help, just
Speaker 1: reach out. Well, there was a scene, did you guys
Speaker 1: see the video of the school board meeting in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So they had health experts come through talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the Delta variant that they're seeing the Delt variant in fact,
Speaker 1: so many children that they're running out of i CEU
Speaker 1: beds and their COVID tents for children, and you know,
Speaker 1: talked about the efficacy of masking since the vaccine isn't
Speaker 1: gonna be ready for children to take in time for
Speaker 1: the start of the school year, and and just talking
Speaker 1: to like people whose kids have already started school, because
Speaker 1: like some places in the South, their school has already started,
Speaker 1: and like kids are you know, like they haven't been
Speaker 1: in school. Their their immune systems aren't ready like there
Speaker 1: if they if they don't get COVID, they're getting like
Speaker 1: all sorts of sicknesses. But anyways, so they got this
Speaker 1: advice and it turned into it looked it had hints
Speaker 1: overtones of the January sixth insurrection, just like parents losing
Speaker 1: their minds. It was like they had voted to require
Speaker 1: kids to wear plastic bags over their heads, like yeah,
Speaker 1: duct taped around their necks. They were saying like we
Speaker 1: know where you live. Yes, we see you, like threatening
Speaker 1: these health experts who were trying to leave after for
Speaker 1: merely saying masks work. Yeah, there's people screaming and threatening me.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe it, said one parent, who is
Speaker 1: a surgeon at Vanderbilt University Medical Center and mother of
Speaker 1: four kids in that school district. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's we I feel like we have to keep covering
Speaker 1: it because it's this isn't new as we've talked about,
Speaker 1: like this is what happened back in nineteen eleven. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the they attacked doctors, they tech nurses definitely
Speaker 1: happened even more violently in the Dark Ages during the
Speaker 1: Black Plague. But I don't know the other thing that
Speaker 1: happened during the Dark Ages was that like a traveling
Speaker 1: circus of guys who whipped themselves was like the number
Speaker 1: one attraction during the Black Play because it made God
Speaker 1: see how sorry people were for whatever since they was
Speaker 1: like their their bachelor. Yeah. So like I just they
Speaker 1: were live shows that were super spreader events too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they literally were. Yeah, so I I don't know, like
Speaker 1: when you look at that, you kind of hope, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we've come along a long ways since then. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because again we say this all the time,
Speaker 1: the most propagandized people on the planet, but like the
Speaker 1: next level just misinformation campaigns that are out there, Like
Speaker 1: we're also just seeing that too, Like these people have
Speaker 1: consumed so much nonsense that it's well and truly become
Speaker 1: their reality and they can't even they can't even stand
Speaker 1: to hear an expert give them medical advice because everything
Speaker 1: they've seen from some woo woo TikTok video or Instagram
Speaker 1: or YouTube or Facebook post has just put them in
Speaker 1: this place where they're like, oh my god, it's actually
Speaker 1: terrible for the kids. We can't do this to our kids.
Speaker 1: We have freedom, and it doesn't make sense. And those
Speaker 1: are the steaks and not your actual physical health. It's
Speaker 1: ass the night into because it's like, hello, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is school. Kids don't have rights at school, Like your
Speaker 1: kid has to ask to go to the bathroom, right right.
Speaker 1: My kid is the king of school. Let be the
Speaker 1: kid of school. He does whatever he wants. It's just
Speaker 1: so hard because you know, you keep seeing people try
Speaker 1: to attack this with logic and bringing experts and tray,
Speaker 1: and it's just nothing's working. It's so terrifying. I feel
Speaker 1: like the only way is like you have to have
Speaker 1: like a counter misinformation program that you're like, well, watch
Speaker 1: this ship like videos, Okay, here we go, watch me,
Speaker 1: watch me play the part of the person you'll listen
Speaker 1: to and start fucking you up from the inside. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I truly don't know if that's the case,
Speaker 1: because yeah, to your point, an expert is the enemy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: until unless I don't know unless you say this thing,
Speaker 1: like you know, we talked to yesterday, like well, what's
Speaker 1: the what level at which are they willing to seed
Speaker 1: ground to an expert or to to acknowledge the things
Speaker 1: they don't know right, like whether it's technological or medical
Speaker 1: or scientific what have you. Because at some point they
Speaker 1: know they will need the hospital if they're injured. So
Speaker 1: it's like you almost gotta take a hard line, is like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're not working with science, then don't don't come
Speaker 1: near places that require science at all. Don't drive a car,
Speaker 1: don't need food because that's all science. Definitely say the
Speaker 1: fun up off of social media since yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like if you took That's what I'm wondering. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: do we need to just redesign our entire education system
Speaker 1: so like a kindergarten, we just start at the dark
Speaker 1: ages and then just like construct all of the things
Speaker 1: that are modern world. Is like all of the amazing
Speaker 1: advances that this world has been created by, like brick
Speaker 1: by brick, so that people like have an understanding of
Speaker 1: what's around it because they people are like looking on
Speaker 1: these phones that have essentially magical technology like that, like
Speaker 1: lets them pull data from like halfway across the globe
Speaker 1: onto them. That tells them then that like science isn't
Speaker 1: real and it's like and don't ask about how it
Speaker 1: got to your phone right now, we're not connected to anything,
Speaker 1: but what about that far And I said, there was
Speaker 1: a video that went viral of this guy who was
Speaker 1: pleading with people, saying, like, you know, his wife who
Speaker 1: has breast cancer, he she had to be she was
Speaker 1: actually like they had to discharge her early because they
Speaker 1: had to make room for all the COVID patients. And
Speaker 1: he's like this, y'all are fucking this up for people
Speaker 1: who actually need medical attention. And he's like, if you're
Speaker 1: not willing to get vaccinated, then why the fund you
Speaker 1: willing to go to the hospital. Two of my favorite
Speaker 1: human being in the world have died in the last
Speaker 1: two weeks because of the They had cancer or pre
Speaker 1: existing health conditions, and you know, you can't draw a
Speaker 1: direct line to it, but they're in the hospital at
Speaker 1: a time when it's a really fucking bad time to
Speaker 1: be in the hospital, right or or people have to
Speaker 1: put off going to the doctor because of everything that's happening,
Speaker 1: and then conditions get worse. Yeah. Yeah, Andrew T has
Speaker 1: talked before on this show about what's called the Gish gallop,
Speaker 1: where you say something so preposterous and it's like a
Speaker 1: debate technique. You say something so preposterous that you are
Speaker 1: making people like have to talk for five minutes to
Speaker 1: prove all the reasons what you just said are wrong
Speaker 1: and therefore it's effective because like people just it's like
Speaker 1: it's not effective to talk that long and it sounds
Speaker 1: like you're talking in circles when somebody when you're having
Speaker 1: to explain like twenty different reasons something is wrong, and
Speaker 1: I feel like they've just gis gallop humanity, Like humanity
Speaker 1: is just we're we're at a point where things are
Speaker 1: so like, so obviously and completely backwards that like we
Speaker 1: can't even argue. It's like you, how how do you
Speaker 1: win that argument? Right? It's in a way, it feels
Speaker 1: like trying to explain the plot of Cats to someone
Speaker 1: you know, and it just makes no sense. And the
Speaker 1: more you talk about it, the lessons it makes. And
Speaker 1: all he knows that at the end, a girl sings
Speaker 1: a song and a cat Oh no, test test froze
Speaker 1: at the exact wrong moment. Sorry, She goes up on
Speaker 1: a giant tire to the to the delical cat heaven.
Speaker 1: Oh thank god, I want Yeah, we got enough going on. No,
Speaker 1: it does. It feels beyond Yeah, we're just beyond being
Speaker 1: able to fit it. It feels like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the one thing you do see
Speaker 1: is they're slowly bushed back though from even in the
Speaker 1: states like Florida and Texas, where people like, well, the
Speaker 1: freedom thing was good to a point, but now like
Speaker 1: it's clear that unvaccinated people are getting sucked up, like
Speaker 1: that's why we're trying to do it, which is why
Speaker 1: like in Tennessee and Arkansas, you see these like people
Speaker 1: were like they're going against their Republican governors who a
Speaker 1: year ago were like it's all good baby, and now
Speaker 1: it's that they've changed their tune, Like what the funk
Speaker 1: out there? You know, like it's this whole that they've
Speaker 1: changed their tune up or they have seen the light
Speaker 1: or the the research that there's like this whip lash
Speaker 1: effect that a lot of people are experiencing too. But
Speaker 1: there are Republicans who are very much like like I
Speaker 1: don't know this, we can't we can't do this and
Speaker 1: like have a defense for this. Yeah, No, no matter
Speaker 1: what your beliefs are, it still sucks to get sick.
Speaker 1: You can talk all the ship you want, but it
Speaker 1: feels like shipped to feel like ship, you know. So
Speaker 1: I think enough people are getting this virus too, I mean,
Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, I'm definitely tired of seeing the videos
Speaker 1: where people on their deathbeds are like I wish I
Speaker 1: had gotten the vaccine because it's very sad and I
Speaker 1: feel sorry for them. But maybe one of those will
Speaker 1: get through to somebody who knows. It's very exhausting. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's we've had pretty big problems obstacles to
Speaker 1: overcome in the past, so you know, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a break and come back and talk Brittany and
Speaker 1: we're back. So, guys, since since you've been coming on
Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist, you've gone from having a podcast that looked
Speaker 1: at Britney Spears Instagram and kind of you guys suspected
Speaker 1: something was strange was going on, to like basically starting
Speaker 1: the Free Brittany movement to like being proven right and
Speaker 1: it becoming like this global movement. Can you just talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about like sort of the journey and
Speaker 1: where where you're at right now in the process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a totally wild ride. I was
Speaker 1: I've been trying to talk about it on stage because
Speaker 1: it's like feels like I should, but it's so hard
Speaker 1: to talk about because it's just so complicated. And I
Speaker 1: was thinking, like, you know, people always say, like, man,
Speaker 1: if you could talk to your like, you know, thirteen
Speaker 1: year old self and be like, look what you did,
Speaker 1: You're you got, It's like my thirteen year old self
Speaker 1: would be like, what the funk are you talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't even understand what you mean? Social media, a
Speaker 1: conservatorship like probate law. You're not getting a mess with
Speaker 1: probate law. So yeah, it's just a very surreal, you know,
Speaker 1: the experience. But basically, yeah, since we you know, release
Speaker 1: and episode in April nineteen when we had gotten like
Speaker 1: a whistleblower voicemail saying that Brittany was being held in
Speaker 1: the mental health facility against her will, that was the
Speaker 1: episode we released that we called Free Brittany, and that
Speaker 1: kind of started off, you know, that movement, and then
Speaker 1: it snowballed into everything where the documentary came out and
Speaker 1: then more people got on board, and then Brittany actually
Speaker 1: spoke in court, which then you know, solidified all of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been uh, it's been a very crazy ride.
Speaker 1: But now we're just happy that she spoke and that
Speaker 1: she's gotten it. You know, she she had this really shitty,
Speaker 1: uh courter pointed attorney for thirteen years who basically didn't
Speaker 1: do anything, didn't tell her she could petition to get
Speaker 1: out of it, all this stuff. So now she has
Speaker 1: this new attorney who hopefully will be you know, the
Speaker 1: big changes she needed. And so what's like the latest.
Speaker 1: I know, the last time I think we probably spoke
Speaker 1: about it was when we heard her speak and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, okay, yep, there there is And
Speaker 1: then I think the last thing I read was that
Speaker 1: a judge sort of denied to like expedite her hearing.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, to have Jamie removed in the conservatorship role,
Speaker 1: like where where are we? What are yeah? So unfortunately yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean I mean you think if you paid
Speaker 1: attention at all to what she said that she was
Speaker 1: outlining like clear cut abuse. So it's a pretty emergent situation.
Speaker 1: So she got this new lawyer whose petitioned to get
Speaker 1: rid of the dad, which we think is probably a strategy.
Speaker 1: They have to get rid of him first and then
Speaker 1: terminate the conservatorship because while he's still on board, then
Speaker 1: he gets to have his whole big team of lawyers
Speaker 1: helping him fight, so you kind of get rid of
Speaker 1: him first. So he petitioned to get rid of the dad.
Speaker 1: The mom signed onto that petition, as did that the
Speaker 1: woman who's Britney's professional conservator right now. But the judge
Speaker 1: denied that petition to move forward the hearing, and basically
Speaker 1: his argument was like, look, yeah, my client feels like
Speaker 1: she's being abused every day that this happens is a problem,
Speaker 1: and it was totally within the judge's discretion to move
Speaker 1: that up. And and she did nothing when she was
Speaker 1: being held in a like they're just these moments where
Speaker 1: in just reading about the story where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like straight out of a like dystopian sci
Speaker 1: fi novel and like it's like the Handmaid's Tale, all
Speaker 1: of that ship just wrapped up in in a massive reality.
Speaker 1: Can you just talk about like how like when you
Speaker 1: first found out about that, Like what what are the
Speaker 1: kind of overall details, because now you guys are doing
Speaker 1: this one that's like a retrospective or sort of deep
Speaker 1: dive into the whole situation, like what what are the
Speaker 1: things that we're kind of the hardest to wrap your
Speaker 1: head around as you've just been going back through the
Speaker 1: whole thing. So basically the Toxic the podcast we're doing now,
Speaker 1: we go through we like, you know, her early career
Speaker 1: and then just kind of like the first early signs
Speaker 1: of them trying to control her or trying to kind
Speaker 1: of yeah controller, and then we go up to the
Speaker 1: conservatorship and like the whole week weekend at that went
Speaker 1: down and that she got conserved, and just from day one,
Speaker 1: it's been you know, unjust and illegal. I think you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't get the capacity declaration that you're supposed to
Speaker 1: have when you conserve somebody. They planned it far in
Speaker 1: advance her fifty and fifty, which is not how that's
Speaker 1: supposed to work. Its supposed to be for emergency situations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the l a p D was planning a route to
Speaker 1: her house for days two days before, like as if
Speaker 1: they were running a marathon. They put up like barricades
Speaker 1: that were supposed to keep the paparazzi out and they
Speaker 1: have like a whole route planned to get to the
Speaker 1: hospital two days ahead of time, and the conservatorship itself
Speaker 1: had been planned as early six weeks before she got conserved,
Speaker 1: and just you know, there's a different kinds of conservatorships,
Speaker 1: And if she was going through some kind of mental
Speaker 1: health crisis at the time, they could have put her
Speaker 1: into the mental health conservatorship, which you renew every year
Speaker 1: because you're hoping the person gets better. She was putting
Speaker 1: put into probate, which is basically a lifetime one because
Speaker 1: of her money. So it's just like thing after thing
Speaker 1: that immediately from the bat, you're like, this is so
Speaker 1: insanely fucked up. And she tried to get her own
Speaker 1: lawyer back then, and they said she didn't have the capacity.
Speaker 1: So she could have gotten out a long time ago,
Speaker 1: she'd actually been able to hire somebody, you know she wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's been the biggest discovery for me, is
Speaker 1: just how much her lawyer was to blame for all
Speaker 1: of this, because I mean that she didn't have a
Speaker 1: chance without a lawyer that was willing to help her.
Speaker 1: I mean, she has she was expressing over and over
Speaker 1: again that she wanted to get out of this, and
Speaker 1: the only lawyer that she had access to was refusing
Speaker 1: to ask the court to do that, and they made
Speaker 1: it so when when she first got conserved and they
Speaker 1: had that hearing where she tried to bring in her
Speaker 1: own lawyer back in two thousand and eight, they stipulated
Speaker 1: as part of her conservatorship that she wasn't allowed to
Speaker 1: meet with any other lawyers without the permission of her dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the six weeks before thing is like,
Speaker 1: it makes it sound like it was all a conspiracy
Speaker 1: to like drive her to behave in a way that
Speaker 1: would allow them to, like in the media, seemed like
Speaker 1: she was like needed them to take control all. It
Speaker 1: seems like so complex. And yeah, I think they definitely
Speaker 1: needed that narrative to get her into it, you know,
Speaker 1: in the first place. So yeah, and and and the
Speaker 1: episode we have coming out next week, we'll kind of
Speaker 1: catalog the last thirteen years and her attempts in the
Speaker 1: background to get out. So I think that that's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest shocks. I mean, and you know, it
Speaker 1: obviously makes sense that she was trying to but just
Speaker 1: knowing she kept trying over and over and over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's hard as a Britney Spears fan. She
Speaker 1: just have been buying all these albums and going to
Speaker 1: all these shows and then looking back and knowing in retrospect,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that entire time she was like trying
Speaker 1: to claw her way away, away out of this situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was like a prisoner, well being one of the
Speaker 1: most famous people in the world, and still is. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the other thing is like, you know, everyone was
Speaker 1: still alarmed by her testimony, but that's now been almost
Speaker 1: two months ago, and the same people are still empower
Speaker 1: over her. The same people, I mean, her conservators can
Speaker 1: decide obviously who visits her, they hire her security. Those
Speaker 1: same people are still working for her. So that's the
Speaker 1: kind of like really frustrating thing too, is like nothing
Speaker 1: really is meaningfully changed for her except I guess she
Speaker 1: has her own attorney now, but sure, and I mean,
Speaker 1: is it is it? Does it seem feasible that even
Speaker 1: though this motion to like sort of speed up the
Speaker 1: removal of Jamie Spears has been denied, that it's still possible,
Speaker 1: like that it's on the right track or there's still
Speaker 1: a lot of other because it seems like their hell
Speaker 1: bent on keeping her in this conservatorship, So like, are
Speaker 1: they out of moves legally or is it seems like
Speaker 1: a more of a when than an if thing. I
Speaker 1: hope it's a wind, yeah, without wildly legally speculating, right, No,
Speaker 1: I obviously we don't know. But I think the problem
Speaker 1: now is that everyone is trying to shift the blame basically,
Speaker 1: so Jamie is trying to blame the professional conservator who's
Speaker 1: been around for a few years. They're trying to blame
Speaker 1: They're all just blaming each other so that no one
Speaker 1: gets sued, you hope. So after that, that's the it's
Speaker 1: going to be a hard legal battle because everyone's trying
Speaker 1: to pretend it's not their fault, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: if the dad gets kicked out, then he's going to
Speaker 1: be liable for his own legal fees all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: So that's part of why he's cleaning on for de
Speaker 1: dear life is as long as he says, the conservator
Speaker 1: of Brittany footstep bill. But one thing that makes me
Speaker 1: optimistic is that this new attorney is like very Hollywood like.
Speaker 1: He just has like a Hollywood swagger and he's very
Speaker 1: like he's represented Steven Spielberg. So I think that a
Speaker 1: he's gonna actually aggressively he already has been acting pretty
Speaker 1: aggressively and be like he's just gonna want to save face.
Speaker 1: Like this is a really high profile case and he
Speaker 1: has a reputation to a pole. So I just I
Speaker 1: do think he's going to fight tooth and nail, and
Speaker 1: the public opinion is at this point is just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is open and shut and get it done man, exactly.
Speaker 1: So I mean just kind of stepping back. The way,
Speaker 1: you guys way into this in the first place was
Speaker 1: her Instagram and like feeling like she was sending messages
Speaker 1: or like whether you know, just through the circumstances you
Speaker 1: were seeing weird things like what what is you guys,
Speaker 1: is like feeling about her Instagram? Now, Like do you
Speaker 1: do you think that she was actually like sending messages
Speaker 1: through through the things that she was posting. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: the instagram has a lot of you know, questionable things
Speaker 1: about it as far as like people aren't sure if
Speaker 1: it's actually her posting because you know, there's been investigations
Speaker 1: that have come up like oh, it's other people who
Speaker 1: do post it and it gets sent through filters. It's
Speaker 1: not directly her, so there's a big question mark around it.
Speaker 1: When we were doing Brittany's Graham, we were just kind
Speaker 1: of taking it face value that it was her, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we started as a comedy podcast. It wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, let's dig in and see what
Speaker 1: she really means why these messages. It was more of
Speaker 1: just like a funny we're doing it, you know, with
Speaker 1: a sense of humoring into deep but then then naturally
Speaker 1: turned into it, wait, what does she mean? Because she
Speaker 1: we realized she's into under these weird you know, these constrictions,
Speaker 1: So what does it mean when she says let me
Speaker 1: shop and no one gets hurt? Like you know, So
Speaker 1: it kind of started as a funny look at it,
Speaker 1: but then got more serious, and then as we looked
Speaker 1: at the actual court documents involved, it was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this seems really messed up. So yeah, it kind of
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, her her Instagram is a mystery. I mean, lately,
Speaker 1: you know, it seems like it's her posting. She posted.
Speaker 1: There was a free Brittany flag that she posted and
Speaker 1: she called it my flag and she actually said the
Speaker 1: word conservatorship and an Instagram post recently, so it seems
Speaker 1: like she's maybe communicating a little bit more directly with
Speaker 1: it now, but we're not sure. She definitely loves ice cream, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: a lot of good food posts on vas ground. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she also has like a long history of
Speaker 1: communicating to our fans. She used to write these things
Speaker 1: called her Letters of Truth. It's BacT like in the
Speaker 1: early aughts where she would like get real on her
Speaker 1: website about what was going on. And I think, no
Speaker 1: wing how restrictive her life was, you know, throughout the
Speaker 1: entire conservatorship, I don't think it's at all implausible that
Speaker 1: she was using that one outlet as a way to
Speaker 1: try to subtly pass messages on to people. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was doing crazier things than that to try to
Speaker 1: get her message out. So yeah, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the documentary that you guys are heavily featured in that
Speaker 1: that didn't win a I don't, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: an award winning and like just an amazing documentary of
Speaker 1: people haven't seen it. It's called Framing Brittany by the
Speaker 1: New York Times, but it really makes you kind of
Speaker 1: recognized that just the sort of toxic masculinity that was
Speaker 1: like still is, but like especially during her rise to fame,
Speaker 1: was like built into the culture and her just being
Speaker 1: the center of all this attention, like she's been sort
Speaker 1: of imprisoned by that from from the start. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that she Yeah, it's really gross to
Speaker 1: just when you look back at that footage of her
Speaker 1: and the paparazzi and just like fifty men around her
Speaker 1: at all times, like trying to catch any little mistake anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's one part where we talked about
Speaker 1: her her custody case was really intense in her custody
Speaker 1: battle that was all going on in that area two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, and you know, her her kay Thad's lawyers
Speaker 1: would say that she was you know, have what was
Speaker 1: the test? Now, I'm going to mess it up. They
Speaker 1: would use the driving, Yeah, she would be. They used
Speaker 1: the fact that she was being hounded by the paparazzi
Speaker 1: as why she should have less custody, Like they faulted
Speaker 1: her for being followed by paparazzi, as if she had
Speaker 1: any kind of control over that. And then the paparazzi
Speaker 1: would like publish these really like learned stories and Kevin's
Speaker 1: lawyer would call in people from he would use the
Speaker 1: tabloids as a place to like find witnesses in the
Speaker 1: in the child custody case. Yeah. I mean, but by
Speaker 1: the end of just kind of that re examination, just
Speaker 1: like everything that you guys have kind of uncovered and
Speaker 1: examined it, it really starts to feel like she went sane,
Speaker 1: Like she did finally, after like a lifetime of just
Speaker 1: bearing this inhuman weight of like everybody's attention, all these
Speaker 1: like really unhealthy expectations, she finally reacted the way that
Speaker 1: like I would have for like thirty minutes, and people
Speaker 1: are like, all right, that's it, we gotta la see that.
Speaker 1: She said she always had. The expectations of her were
Speaker 1: always ridiculous, you know, the expectation of her to be perfect.
Speaker 1: And that's what someone of her fans loved about her
Speaker 1: was that she was not a perfect person. She was
Speaker 1: you know, very raw and funny and just like didn't
Speaker 1: give a shit about like where you know, where he
Speaker 1: flipflops to the gas station or whatever stuff that they
Speaker 1: would like make fun of her for. And it was
Speaker 1: also very classist and and that what you know, all
Speaker 1: all those expectations were just put on her and she
Speaker 1: just kind of had enough of it. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's also I think about it this a lot too.
Speaker 1: Like another big piece of this tragedy is like if
Speaker 1: she had just gotten famous, like two years later, Instagram
Speaker 1: would have been invented, you know, she might have been
Speaker 1: able to have the outlet instead of getting stocked all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. Well, and like with social media, the
Speaker 1: paparazzi kind of stopped being the thing, Like she was
Speaker 1: there kind of right at the tail end of the
Speaker 1: paparazzi being this really like aggressive force. Well and they
Speaker 1: had to stop because they laws were enforced, you know,
Speaker 1: they couldn't do that anymore because of how they treated her.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so it's just it's a really sad I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so grateful that there's like finally like the
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel for her, because when we started
Speaker 1: making it, we had no idea she was going to speak.
Speaker 1: You know, we just thought it was gonna be business
Speaker 1: as usual and she was going to be stuck with
Speaker 1: this lawyer forever and all that stuff, so that when
Speaker 1: she spoke, it was a shock to us. We had
Speaker 1: no idea that was going to happen, and it's really
Speaker 1: changed the game. So we're just hopeful that yeah, she
Speaker 1: she has a way out. Now, Well that's awesome. Keep
Speaker 1: doing the amazing work you guys have been doing, and
Speaker 1: thank you for for doing all that work. It's really
Speaker 1: cool and important. And yeah, thanks for being on t
Speaker 1: dsy today. Guess thanks. Yeah, where can people find you
Speaker 1: and follow you? Test Let's start with you. I'm Testifyed
Speaker 1: Barker and everything that's Testify with two says all right,
Speaker 1: and is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying. Yes, this is from
Speaker 1: Devin Sala, who is actually very funny on Twitter. He said,
Speaker 1: I just started laughing in bed thinking about how my
Speaker 1: parents at some point went into the cabinet and grabbed
Speaker 1: that big gas vodka bottle that was there for years
Speaker 1: and for their friends in themselves a stiff shot of water. Babs,
Speaker 1: how about you? Where can people find you? What is
Speaker 1: the tweet you've going to enjoy? Babs Gray on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram? And I just put out my first comedy
Speaker 1: album called If I Did It, so you can find
Speaker 1: that online and uh a tweet I'm Enjoying is by
Speaker 1: a lady named Test Parker says, put put the vaccine
Speaker 1: in Mountain Dew. It's time. Yeah, exactly. We were parallel thinking.
Speaker 1: We're saying that new alcoholic Mountain Dew put the vaccine,
Speaker 1: and right there, that's the next level perfect. You'll get
Speaker 1: everybody at least over one and have fun doing it.
Speaker 1: You don't get people under twenty one. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I think everyone's gateway drink is like the sweetest form
Speaker 1: of alcohol thousand first. Yeah, like smear nath ice and zema.
Speaker 1: You should have to show your idea that you're under
Speaker 1: to buy that, right, They're like, wait, really, okay, you're nineteen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have more respect for the Mountain Dew community. I
Speaker 1: think they've all already been vaccinated personally. But you know,
Speaker 1: get that, get that, get that hashtag trending on Twitter,
Speaker 1: be like do heads for vaccine to be like I
Speaker 1: got mine and I drink du don't get it twisted.
Speaker 1: Do the vaccine. You can find me on Twitter and
Speaker 1: Instagram at Miles of Gray and also the other podcast
Speaker 1: for twenty Fiance talking ninety Day Fiance with Sophia Alexander,
Speaker 1: So check that one out. Some tweets that I like.
Speaker 1: First one is from Sally Ann Hall at me Sally
Speaker 1: and tweeted in movies, whenever a woman gets dumped and
Speaker 1: eats ice cream, I always think, oh no, can she
Speaker 1: not afford drugs? Sometimes you're like, yamn, okay do you?
Speaker 1: And another one is from at Lars Adams tweeted me
Speaker 1: thinks is the funniest, most under utilized word ever. I
Speaker 1: can't think of any other word that's so scientifically formulated
Speaker 1: to piss you off. It's like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you're saying and it doesn't sound flipping as fuck the worst.
Speaker 1: Let's see, he thinks you should have got the vaccine alright,
Speaker 1: I'm on the anti exercide now. Well. One thing that
Speaker 1: I one tweet I've been enjoying that's been mentioned already
Speaker 1: on the show, but I finally got to experience it
Speaker 1: is the Marjorie Taylor Green workout video her pull ups.
Speaker 1: Did y'all see that I was I was out for
Speaker 1: I was out of the culture, out of tho zeit
Speaker 1: guys for a week and a half the side, but
Speaker 1: it was before you left it. Yeah, yeah, but look,
Speaker 1: we can't we just like shaking, like just shaking her
Speaker 1: body around. It's very strange. It's only somebody with that
Speaker 1: little self awareness could think those are pull ups. It's
Speaker 1: also probably how Congress, Yeah exactly. And then at high
Speaker 1: it's g tweeted, not saying I want to experience demonic possession,
Speaker 1: but it might be a nice little break to let
Speaker 1: someone else here for a while, kind of. Can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find
Speaker 1: us on Twitter at Daily zeitgeist. We're at the Daily
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have Facebook fan page on a website,
Speaker 1: daily zeitgeist dot com, where we post our episodes in
Speaker 1: our footnotes through link off the information that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as a song we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles, What song do we think
Speaker 1: people might enjoy today? This track is called Hurricane RHNA
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Speaker 1: feat producer John O dos j O n O d
Speaker 1: A s. And it's it's just got this again. It's
Speaker 1: it's familiar but spooky, and it's just a good mashup
Speaker 1: of like funk but also feeling like something you found
Speaker 1: like on an old cassette tape, like in your uncle's house,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what is this and then it takes
Speaker 1: you somewhere. That's how I envisioned this track operating on you.
Speaker 1: So this is Hurricane Rohna by John o'das. So enjoy
Speaker 1: that little laid back music. Go check that ship out.
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