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Speaker 1: I was in Minneapolis. Yeah, I feel like yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, what timing it's over there back in
Speaker 1: the Portland back in Portland. Yep, yep, trying to pretty
Speaker 1: wild weekend, trying to hold it down with all these
Speaker 1: caps and racists, which difference. Yeah, no, So so it's
Speaker 1: it's been a very intense weeks. Yeah sure here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I just, yeah, I love this town
Speaker 1: and the way that people come together and support one another.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I'm really I'm really proud of us,
Speaker 1: even though these folks come in from the suburbs to
Speaker 1: try to funk everything up. Right. Well, can you talking
Speaker 1: a little bit about what happened for people have been
Speaker 1: following the story? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so on the twenty
Speaker 1: second apparently this is like an annual that's become like
Speaker 1: an ani whole thing. Now, So the Proud Boys, we're
Speaker 1: going to have this rally protest freedom of speech. We're
Speaker 1: in our fields, we'll see the and then like so
Speaker 1: then the mayor is like, we're going to counter this
Speaker 1: with choose love right, And the police chief is like, well,
Speaker 1: we're not actually gonna get between the two groups because
Speaker 1: there's always anti fascist counter protesters when these guys like
Speaker 1: roll into town with their like MAGA flags and whatever,
Speaker 1: and so our police chief is like, we're not going
Speaker 1: to get in between. We're just gonna tell everybody like
Speaker 1: keep their distance, and so why are you here? What
Speaker 1: are we paying you for exactly? Oh, well, the thing
Speaker 1: is I'm not going to be here because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be at the rally as we had. Yeah, we had
Speaker 1: a lot of people time off, so we can't really
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have the manpower to really pull
Speaker 1: it down. Look, I have it in my schedule that
Speaker 1: I'm off this weekend every year because I have this,
Speaker 1: we have stuff going on, commitment. It's yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. So yeah, the mayor who
Speaker 1: is just continually missing in action over here, yep, Ted Wheeler.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, we're gonna do choose Love instead,
Speaker 1: and so they're like put up all of these signs
Speaker 1: that said choose love which and I'm like that that's
Speaker 1: what you're that's that's the thing that you're doing, right,
Speaker 1: And they did a press conference and that was kind
Speaker 1: of the thing, right. So then obviously it's like all
Speaker 1: these guys rolled into town just like they said they
Speaker 1: were going to and then like ended up moving from
Speaker 1: like because they usually go downtown so they can harass
Speaker 1: the many people as possible, but they ended up moving
Speaker 1: to this like abandoned kmart parking lot, which was pretty
Speaker 1: fucking hilarious. Um, and then like smoke bombing themselves, which
Speaker 1: was also hilarious. And yeah, so they were you know,
Speaker 1: there were definitely a lot of people who were there
Speaker 1: kind of like kind of protesting, which was really good.
Speaker 1: The ship that went down was that one of these
Speaker 1: motherfuckers decided to pull a done and shoot at people,
Speaker 1: so they actually arrested him, which is I was kind
Speaker 1: of impressed, Like the bar is so loud. I thought
Speaker 1: they're just gonna like let him cruise. Yeah, so, and
Speaker 1: it's it's I don't know, I'm very fascinated by like
Speaker 1: the types of people who are drawn like to this
Speaker 1: type of event, and then the types of people who
Speaker 1: feel compelled at these events like brandish a weapon and
Speaker 1: actually shoot at people, Like there's no one even around you.
Speaker 1: Why do you feel so threatened? Like this is you're
Speaker 1: shooting someone across the street. What still the other way? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like this is not complicated. But yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: insecurity right now, I feel among white men who find
Speaker 1: their entire identity in their American nous and so they're
Speaker 1: just like they're really in their fields. They don't know
Speaker 1: how to process, you know, the whole toxic masculinity. Like
Speaker 1: my wife is the only my wife and Jesus were
Speaker 1: the only people that keep me from murdering all of
Speaker 1: you that that bullshit. Yeah so anyway, um, we are
Speaker 1: still all attempting to hold it down despite our mayor
Speaker 1: and all of these very insecure and protand yeah, proud
Speaker 1: boy the Peeves, I don't know, we run PBS like
Speaker 1: proud boys, and I first and now I read it
Speaker 1: as the peeves Portland from Portland. Ya. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's really been a I think unexpected for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, hotspot for you know what supremacy and but
Speaker 1: also but also but also anti fascism. Like people people
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I was born and raised here.
Speaker 1: I've lived here most of my life. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they're there. There have been protests here forever. That's
Speaker 1: just what we do. Uh So it wasn't like this
Speaker 1: was a new thing, right Like, people were protesting the
Speaker 1: invasion of Afghanistan weekly here right like, and that was
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. This is just like a thing that
Speaker 1: we do. So there is a really strong kind of
Speaker 1: anti fascist presence here, which makes me really happy and
Speaker 1: it makes me feel safer, so right, rather than like
Speaker 1: a town where like proud Boys just roll through and
Speaker 1: people just like, what the fun is going on here here?
Speaker 1: And then yeah, yeah, they got the run of the streets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. The resistance draws attention to it
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's why it draws these people
Speaker 1: into because they know that they're going to get some
Speaker 1: kind of play with conflicts, right, and I know that
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to try to like stir
Speaker 1: up people's emotions and make them reactive. It's weird how
Speaker 1: those anti fascists always seemed to in the long run
Speaker 1: be on the right side of history. With that, they're
Speaker 1: they're protesting Afghanistan. Huh, who knew? Yes, it's it's nuts.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, who thought? Who would have thunk it? Which?
Speaker 1: Where do they get their news? Hum? Exactly? They see
Speaker 1: that because on TV I thought it was okay. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: the mainstream media account of what happened in this weekend
Speaker 1: is definitely more they're bad people on both sides. It's
Speaker 1: Trump in it both sides very responsible. These people are
Speaker 1: unfit to do any thing called journalism. Oh my god. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of that, we are going to get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better in a moment tory. But
Speaker 1: first we are going to tell our listeners a couple
Speaker 1: of things we're talking about. We're talking about another way
Speaker 1: that the mainstream media has fallen down on the job
Speaker 1: in their coverage of Afghanistan and just that being a
Speaker 1: long term trend. We're gonna talk about Trump's border wall
Speaker 1: because it is literally falling apart. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a no, like literally pieces of it, chunks of it
Speaker 1: are washing away. It looks as if there was like
Speaker 1: it was a movie about the future in like twenty
Speaker 1: and Trump walls is all like dilapidated. Is like, no,
Speaker 1: this is fucking this week. Yeah, by the rain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like it could have been in the last
Speaker 1: scene of the Planet of the Apes movie, like show
Speaker 1: the thing from hundreds of years ago. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about how Delta is handling getting unvaccinated people to consider vaccination.
Speaker 1: AK and THI health. Somebody who pointed out, don't call
Speaker 1: me anti backs, call me anti health, which we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about apparently the never Mind Baby is suing, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that all of that plenty more. But first, Tory,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history? Yeah, so currently my search history is
Speaker 1: I've been trying to explain dual power to my friends,
Speaker 1: which is kind of hard. Like it's like, especially via text,
Speaker 1: right if you're just like texting throughout the day, it's
Speaker 1: really kind of hard to They're like, what are you?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Now? What's the plan here? So
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm googling like mutual aid and trying to
Speaker 1: come up with all these resources to send to my friends.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I'm like, Okay, we gotta we gotta get
Speaker 1: everybody up board with this that we can, because I
Speaker 1: have kids and they're they're gonna have to deal with
Speaker 1: this mess. So I'm like, let's let's let's let's get
Speaker 1: a move on people. It's been we've waited a little
Speaker 1: too long. So yeah, now I'm what I do best
Speaker 1: is collecting people, So that's what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1: All right, Describe dual power. Explain dual power in two
Speaker 1: sentences for us, Oh my god, that is not possible,
Speaker 1: trying so hard to do. How do I like him?
Speaker 1: And the cyclemo No? So So the idea is, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's something that I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: have been thinking, feeling, kind of processing, even if we're
Speaker 1: not talking about it. But the idea is that, like,
Speaker 1: we have to take care of ourselves, right, Like, no
Speaker 1: one is coming to save us, no one is coming
Speaker 1: to fix this. Like the people who are empower wants
Speaker 1: to be empowered. They don't care that the world burns
Speaker 1: down around them because they're still going to have a
Speaker 1: c and clean water and like their private jets and whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: so we have to be able to essentially take care
Speaker 1: of ourselves. And I personally again like as a parent,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hopeful that this is something that we can
Speaker 1: kind of build out to the point where a general
Speaker 1: strike is sustainable. Right, I don't see that happening for
Speaker 1: at least ten years probably, And again, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to take me back here, what's right? So it's like
Speaker 1: we're clearly all getting screwed by the system, right, Like
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of us are getting screwed by capitalism,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so taking like taking our power back, Like
Speaker 1: how do we do that in this system? Like, the
Speaker 1: one thing that we can do is we can not work.
Speaker 1: We can withhold our labor um. And so trying to
Speaker 1: organize that on like a broader scale, maybe not necessarily
Speaker 1: a national scale, but like getting like different parts of
Speaker 1: the country kind of organized, and also figuring out like
Speaker 1: where where the weak spots are, like where the vulnerability
Speaker 1: is in the system, right, because you don't have to
Speaker 1: do necessarily a ton of work to kind of bring
Speaker 1: a crisis, right, to bring these people to the table
Speaker 1: to say, hey, look, this is not working for us.
Speaker 1: It's only working for you. Like this is not okay,
Speaker 1: that's at the end, right, So we need to be
Speaker 1: able to like get to a place where we can
Speaker 1: leverage that. And I think like some of that is
Speaker 1: at least some of it is going to look like yeah,
Speaker 1: withholding our labor from the system. And so in order
Speaker 1: to do that, we have to be able to meet
Speaker 1: people's needs in the meantime, right, you know, I think
Speaker 1: about the Montgomery bus boycott honestly, because there was this
Speaker 1: whole there was this whole planning session, right. I think
Speaker 1: it took him over a year to plan it, and
Speaker 1: they had to coordinate because people were not using the buses.
Speaker 1: So it's like we have to figure out car pooling, right,
Speaker 1: we have to figure out like how are people like
Speaker 1: are people willing to walk? Do you have another form
Speaker 1: of transportation? Like how do we organize all of this
Speaker 1: so that you know, people are getting left in the dust,
Speaker 1: but none of us are using the bus, right and
Speaker 1: so and and that was really they chose. They chose
Speaker 1: the buses because they knew that they could make that work, right.
Speaker 1: That was the spot that they chose to put pressure
Speaker 1: on because they knew that was a week spot in
Speaker 1: the system, and and it worked, you know, But there
Speaker 1: are other things that that like in the civil rights
Speaker 1: movement that people did, like other other things that were
Speaker 1: attempted that didn't work right. So it's like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like this process of learning, like Okay, where where
Speaker 1: do we have margin, Where do we have space, Where
Speaker 1: do we have resources? Where do we have access? And
Speaker 1: being strategic with that because we we can't keep doing
Speaker 1: what we're doing because none of us will be able
Speaker 1: to eat in a couple of years, right, Like, like
Speaker 1: the planet is not on a sustainable track right now,
Speaker 1: so we have to make some really massive changes, and
Speaker 1: I think that trying to explain all of this to
Speaker 1: my friends dual power is probably the best most effective
Speaker 1: way to do that. Right. That's my two sentences and emoji.
Speaker 1: There you go. And if for people who are are
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Speaker 1: of you probably, no, it's been really really hot here,
Speaker 1: so right now we think clothing is overrated. You're rocking
Speaker 1: a nice sleeveless tea. Yeah, yeah, Like I don't It
Speaker 1: would be really nice if you know, we didn't we
Speaker 1: didn't have to wear clothes and we didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I would love that. It's a D seventeen degrees you guys, like,
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do it? Really? No? No,
Speaker 1: no, no no, not this week that wasn't Yeah, but the Northwest? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like we none of us have a c
Speaker 1: right because you've always had a very temperate climate. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think clothes are a little traded this summer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you're out there and you're nude, I mean
Speaker 1: God's gonna punish you for the puritanical beliefs. This like
Speaker 1: nudity shame ship is built off of. So, oh God,
Speaker 1: I don't want to upset God by having my nipples out?
Speaker 1: Can I totally sidetrack this really fast? So I have
Speaker 1: another podcast it's called Go Home Bible, You're Drunk, And
Speaker 1: so we do all of these like we find all
Speaker 1: of these weird like artifacts in the Bible and outside
Speaker 1: of And so my co host Justin sent me a
Speaker 1: picture of a pin that the people who would go out,
Speaker 1: like people who had gone Crusades would wear to identify themselves.
Speaker 1: And it's a little fucking vulva with feet and a staff.
Speaker 1: It looks like a dick and a face. It's nuts,
Speaker 1: you guys, It's nuts. So that's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: bodies have not always been disgusting in Christian That's what
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. And guys, do not
Speaker 1: google Crusades vulva pin, please please do. It looks like
Speaker 1: a little troll honestly, what's funny. I I googled crusades
Speaker 1: vulva pin and it says it looks like they're on
Speaker 1: any matches. I'll send it to you. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text search. Yeah, I'll text riding a horse
Speaker 1: with a crossbow. Huh. Yeah. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't get it. I haven't
Speaker 1: researched any of this yet. I just saw the picture
Speaker 1: of the thing that they're like, yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is what we wear. Okay, let him know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all weird, sublimated, like you know, even the Jesus fish
Speaker 1: has a number of vaginal qualities, a number of vaginal us,
Speaker 1: mainly the shape Welcome to But yeah, it's that's wild
Speaker 1: that that podcast sounds incredible. What is something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated? Okay? Oh? The great challenge has been making
Speaker 1: me think about the fact that that Black Americans as
Speaker 1: culture makers are incredibly underrated, because I started thinking about,
Speaker 1: you know, like like fifteen years ago, maybe even twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, there was this whole thing at the end
Speaker 1: of the year that people would make these blog posts
Speaker 1: and or like whatever, they post something up and they're
Speaker 1: like these are all the words were canceling this year,
Speaker 1: and it was all like terms that Black Americans had
Speaker 1: come up with he used in like certain situations that
Speaker 1: white people then took and with like incorrectly applied. But
Speaker 1: it was like every single years, like here's the things
Speaker 1: were canceling, And it was always because black people are
Speaker 1: always the ones making culture here, not exclusively but constantly,
Speaker 1: and so the uh yeah, well are a little great
Speaker 1: challenge business. It was like somebody was like, what is this,
Speaker 1: so I need to follow this, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: just black TikTok and Twitter making culture again and then
Speaker 1: turning into just punished fast. They're most brutal ones I
Speaker 1: hear when people fuck and kick the crates out from
Speaker 1: under people. And I'm like, half of this is a challenge,
Speaker 1: and half of this seems like a set up to
Speaker 1: go funk with somebody you don't like. Yeah, but oh
Speaker 1: shout out to the listener that sent me the one.
Speaker 1: The person completing the challenge in heels, very impressive. We
Speaker 1: love to see it. I like, I like, I like
Speaker 1: the one that was in the prison yard. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that one too good. Yeah. And then you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: everybody got fucking phones in there because the person like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're doing it in jail. And then I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: someone has a phone. No, wait, everybody else has a phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's multiple angles of coverage in the yard. But you know,
Speaker 1: everyone survive. You know what okay with that is everybody
Speaker 1: surviving the milk crate challenge because it looks look some
Speaker 1: of the injuries looked like deadly. Oh there are some
Speaker 1: again that like I said, the you don't you don't
Speaker 1: want to cast your eyes upon if you've ever even
Speaker 1: tweaked your back like showering, because I have a watching
Speaker 1: Oh he's done that battle. No, not like that, or
Speaker 1: whenever I watch him, I imagine my rigid body falling
Speaker 1: from those heights, and I'm like I would shattered new
Speaker 1: million pieces. Yeah, and I have to look away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It does seem like a way to thin out the
Speaker 1: uncoordinated and like people who are desperate for social approval,
Speaker 1: imagine that like a first date. We're like, look, before
Speaker 1: I consider you, I need to see you do the
Speaker 1: great challenge right just to know if you're fit. Can
Speaker 1: I show you a video of me doing it? So
Speaker 1: I have to do it right now? Like in front
Speaker 1: of you, Like what is I mean, Look, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be in front of me, like, it can
Speaker 1: be a video. I'm not asking performed for me, but
Speaker 1: at some point I do need to see some kind
Speaker 1: of video. Yes, well, it's one of those things that
Speaker 1: the people who succeed at it make it look so easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Like it's underrated. How much core strength,
Speaker 1: like strength you need to do that ship because again
Speaker 1: you see people do it calmly. You don't realize how
Speaker 1: strong their legs and core are to not start striking
Speaker 1: like half of them are, Like I will be fixed
Speaker 1: at a low angle and support my body weight as
Speaker 1: I ascend and descend. Yeah, it's like freestyle wrapping. It
Speaker 1: looks easy. So you're trying. Yeah, yeah, alright, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break. I'm gonna go try the Milk Create
Speaker 1: challenge and we'll be right back. And we're back, and
Speaker 1: I'm recording this from full traction. You've got nice halo
Speaker 1: on them. But I survived, which was kind of my
Speaker 1: goal for the thing. I do have to turn my
Speaker 1: entire body to turn my head at this point. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's one of the things that. I just I'm
Speaker 1: in danger of ever attempting that because I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: started shaking when I'm walking over like a bridge, like
Speaker 1: a regular bridge, Like don't, don't, don't put me on
Speaker 1: something that shade with me holding the side as you
Speaker 1: walk across bridge. Yeah, someone goes on bike and you're like,
Speaker 1: gods reckless. I crossed. I crossed many log bridges this
Speaker 1: summer because I love hiking, and I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am not. This is not my skill set. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I took gymnastics as gymnastics as a kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is so hard for me now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, log bridges across the rivers, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to take my shoes off. I don't love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna just gonna wait. Fuck it. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: I was I think it was probably four or five,
Speaker 1: I was riding my bike down the hill top speed
Speaker 1: and just stuck a like really thick stick into the spokes.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I expected to happen. I did
Speaker 1: it all your cell phwned a while. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I did it. Nobody was there to see me.
Speaker 1: I was just a curious absent minded dreamer and I
Speaker 1: took flight landed on my head, and I think I've
Speaker 1: had it drilled into me that this sort of jackass
Speaker 1: three is not is not free you. It doesn't. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, like in Japan, because
Speaker 1: there's always like fans going, like oscillating fans, and I
Speaker 1: remember I took the cage off the front and turned
Speaker 1: it on and just stuck my name at the family
Speaker 1: because I was like, fuck, let's just see. And I
Speaker 1: fucked my ship up ship and my mom was like what.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. It wasn't like metal blades.
Speaker 1: They were like plastic, so like you look cool. I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I was doing all that Darth Beta voice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, fucking we gotta know. And I think, look,
Speaker 1: that's us, us discovering. It's the fucking around and finding
Speaker 1: out that makes us human. I did growing up expect
Speaker 1: like doing what you just described would have just like
Speaker 1: turned into like a pink mist and I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: had a hand anymore. Like I just definitely see. I
Speaker 1: had to know because you know what I did. I
Speaker 1: went in with a fist. As a kid, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I feel like my fingers are too weak. Yeah, jam
Speaker 1: in there. I'm like, I gotta fucking destroy this thing.
Speaker 1: And I did. I broke it and I cut my
Speaker 1: busting my ship. It was everybody lost that day. There
Speaker 1: was a kid at camp who could stop fans. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess everybody could do this, but like stopped little
Speaker 1: like hand fans with his tongue and he would do that,
Speaker 1: and like that blew my mind. I was never the
Speaker 1: same after that. He's a senator now, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the best. Alright, let's talk about kind of the main
Speaker 1: mainstream media news story of the past two weeks has
Speaker 1: been basically, look how bad Biden fucked this up? When
Speaker 1: when it comes to Afghanistan, you know, it's being treated
Speaker 1: this is the first big failure of his administration him,
Speaker 1: which I haven't been paying attention apparently, but they really like,
Speaker 1: are you know that it's a It's one of those
Speaker 1: news stories where it's like they're reporting on it as
Speaker 1: a failure than they're reporting on his slipping poll numbers.
Speaker 1: Then they're reporting on people talking about his slipping pull
Speaker 1: like it's like this is this is where we get
Speaker 1: to prove our bona FIDE's as like both sides ares, yeah.
Speaker 1: They The whole thing is, it's like the media just
Speaker 1: has an inability to have a reckoning with anything. So
Speaker 1: rather than going like, zoom out, let's talk about this
Speaker 1: military occupation for twenty years, they're like, let's just talk
Speaker 1: about the last part where we're seeing like the chaos
Speaker 1: of it. And it's not often you're hearing someone actually
Speaker 1: say like this. I mean, I think the only time
Speaker 1: you hear it is a way to be like, well,
Speaker 1: don't worry about Joe Biden, okay, because like this was
Speaker 1: the Bush really started it, and like so let's let's
Speaker 1: divorce the blame from Biden to Bush. Is like the
Speaker 1: most you can see somebody's zoom out about like looking
Speaker 1: at this thing holistically, because like what's happening right now
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan is terrifying. Right there's a human humanitarian crisis
Speaker 1: taking place and it's not just at the Hamid Carsai Airport.
Speaker 1: This is this is a huge, massive displacement event for people,
Speaker 1: and NGOs already saying they're having trouble getting to people
Speaker 1: and not sure what the Taliban will allow them, like
Speaker 1: how they'll help if they can have access to supplies
Speaker 1: things are like the prices of things, like inflation is
Speaker 1: hitting in a really intense way. But again, the whole
Speaker 1: coverage has mostly been about like, well, how many people
Speaker 1: did we get out today? How many of you? Which?
Speaker 1: And I get the and I get the the what
Speaker 1: is owed to the people that unfortunately got caught up
Speaker 1: in having to help the US military during the occupation
Speaker 1: and not leaving them there to answer for you know,
Speaker 1: them just merely trying to survive during that time. But
Speaker 1: I feel like every headline should be about failed fucking
Speaker 1: American military occupation and what this means. But this is
Speaker 1: the frustrating part. As we understand, I think for decades,
Speaker 1: you know, we know that the media is used to
Speaker 1: not really report things. Clearly, it's just giving a spin
Speaker 1: on things to avoid see our actual reckoning. And this
Speaker 1: is like another moment by like C I A and
Speaker 1: Pentagon sources that like this is you know that this
Speaker 1: is just the only way that they're able to see
Speaker 1: things is through you know, the They couldn't possibly just
Speaker 1: take a step back and be like maybe the whole
Speaker 1: system's fucked up because we're the stories on like how
Speaker 1: the Pentagon saw this as a fucking never ending checkbook,
Speaker 1: you know, and how they were incentivized to fucking not
Speaker 1: do sh it really because the main money kept coming in,
Speaker 1: you know, or the fact that the fucking you know,
Speaker 1: while people are yes queening Nancy Pelosi for getting some
Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting the moderate Democrats in line
Speaker 1: for an infrastructure deal, that we're not talking about all
Speaker 1: of the politicians who are currently in office, who are
Speaker 1: making the decisions to stay there or avoid talking about leaving.
Speaker 1: Where is that now, you know? And it's it's really
Speaker 1: convenient that they do this because it keeps us from
Speaker 1: having any kind of reckon We saw this over the
Speaker 1: summer too, just with just with the America's white supremacy
Speaker 1: and policing problem. It was just just talk about the chaos.
Speaker 1: Just talk about the body counts, talk about the looting,
Speaker 1: talk about the anger. Don't talk about the fucking root cause.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about how this is a failure of the
Speaker 1: United States government to provide people with a way to live,
Speaker 1: or that it's an absolute failure to provide them with
Speaker 1: opportunities for upward mobility. So survival crime isn't something people
Speaker 1: resort to, but it can't be like that, And I
Speaker 1: think That's what's really frustrating over and over is like
Speaker 1: if you're and again, I feel like I'm precently acquire
Speaker 1: anyone who has some level of awareness around these situations,
Speaker 1: that it's just such a fucking disservice to people because
Speaker 1: most people just open their their mouth agape watching CNN
Speaker 1: or MSNBC or a whatever these news annals are, and
Speaker 1: they're getting like such a skewed, fucking superficial version of
Speaker 1: it without actually like being able to drive the country
Speaker 1: in a direction that's actually forward. It's more like, damn,
Speaker 1: that's fucked up, all right? Anyway, Yeah, we talked, We
Speaker 1: talked at the beginning of this story about just the
Speaker 1: unforgettable image of the plane taking off with people clinging
Speaker 1: to the outside, and how you know my hope for
Speaker 1: that was that you know that that image is not
Speaker 1: going away, that like that would be sort of a
Speaker 1: stake in the ground of like the US cannot proceed
Speaker 1: like this ever again. But instead the way the media
Speaker 1: is treating it is as a man but Biden's gonna
Speaker 1: own this at the polls, and BID's gonna own this
Speaker 1: at the ballot box. Was just how about all the
Speaker 1: fucking people of Afghanistan, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that image of those people holding onto the plane, that
Speaker 1: is an image of failure, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: more than anything. It's harrowing, of course, but you really
Speaker 1: need to look at that as an American person. Goal
Speaker 1: Holy sh it, things a fucking l from the beginning,
Speaker 1: and when we weren't able to have the you know,
Speaker 1: because obviously the military industrial complex isn't gonna suddenly be like, no,
Speaker 1: we don't need to occupy these foreign lands and do
Speaker 1: some light mineral extraction. We don't know, that's not going
Speaker 1: to happen, but doesn't fit in right, doesn't deserative, it
Speaker 1: doesn't ever ever, right, So it's like, yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1: We can't frame it that way as journalists because you know,
Speaker 1: the system also kind of works for us right now.
Speaker 1: Where oh man, that's that's a goddamn shame. Like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: can we can we hold some people accountable? I can
Speaker 1: you start asking some questions because like you're the ones
Speaker 1: with with the mics and the cameras and stuff, like
Speaker 1: you want you want to go trace these people down.
Speaker 1: The thing is, the problem is America is so horrible
Speaker 1: that I don't know if We've understood that there's a
Speaker 1: thing where you're when you're objective about American news, foreign policy,
Speaker 1: of history, the people say you hate the fucking country, right,
Speaker 1: you know that's always the refrain, Oh you hate this place,
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people say, no, actually,
Speaker 1: I think this place can be better. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: screaming about because because you know, what as fucked up
Speaker 1: as it is that they adam bombed the country where
Speaker 1: my mom came from, and she still somehow came here
Speaker 1: to try and make it better for herself. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So there's something there that pulls people, but you owe
Speaker 1: it to fucking human beings to do it right. And
Speaker 1: but and that's what's so you look at even the
Speaker 1: ship when the last year right, or everything, You'll have
Speaker 1: a Palestinian activist on you have a prison abolitionist on
Speaker 1: MSNBC for like two fucking minutes and act like it
Speaker 1: was a halftime magic show at that basketball game, you know,
Speaker 1: a glimpse into something fucking fantastic and not real, and
Speaker 1: then immediately be like, all right, well we were inter
Speaker 1: vegetables from someone who was actually thinking about what needs
Speaker 1: to happen, and go back to round the clock shit
Speaker 1: show that will prevent people from critically thinking about what
Speaker 1: the actual problems that we have are. They treat the
Speaker 1: military industrial complex like it's the meat and the vegetables
Speaker 1: like that that is what what Well, this is the
Speaker 1: realistic stuff. And obviously those people like are that's great
Speaker 1: in theory, but none of that can actually happen because
Speaker 1: all of our sources are miles You were pointing out that,
Speaker 1: you know, Al Jazeer's main story on their front page
Speaker 1: is about how millions of Afghan children are in dire need.
Speaker 1: And CNN they have an op ed from a guy
Speaker 1: that works at RAND. Yeah, the Defense Development Yeah, the
Speaker 1: people who gave us some thought up mutually assured destruction
Speaker 1: as a nuclear deterrence. Those people have front page access
Speaker 1: on CNN and they're spending it like actually, like this
Speaker 1: isn't a story. This isn't a story at all about
Speaker 1: America and retreat. Yeah, and that's that's everything. Like that
Speaker 1: you were talking about the America's white supremacy policing problem,
Speaker 1: and the police are the media. The mainstream media is
Speaker 1: like one of the primary sources, uh, the when it
Speaker 1: comes to anything overseas. The military are the media is
Speaker 1: like primary source. And yeah, Like an interesting kind of
Speaker 1: wrinkle of this is like people were talking during the
Speaker 1: Trump administration about like how these Trump Cabinet members and
Speaker 1: you know people members of the Trump administration we're getting
Speaker 1: shouted out of like these incredibly fancy restaurants in Northern Virginia.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what, Like I used to
Speaker 1: live down there. That's not a part of the country
Speaker 1: that's known for like how cuisine. And the reason people
Speaker 1: were pointing out the reason it got so fancy all
Speaker 1: of a sudden is because military contractors have been able
Speaker 1: to just pay themselves like millions and millions of dollars
Speaker 1: because of Afghanistan. And they're all located in Northern Virginia.
Speaker 1: So like that is what's happening. And they're all the
Speaker 1: primary sources for you know, the corporate mainstream media, the
Speaker 1: CNNs of the world. M it yeah, because again, it's
Speaker 1: it's all about the media. Is not about journalism. It's
Speaker 1: this way for Americans to rationalize that they don't live
Speaker 1: in a fund up place. That's really what it is.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll give you a glimpse of old It's something
Speaker 1: something's popping off over here. Let's not get too into
Speaker 1: the why because that'll freak you out. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still it's the it's the narrative, right, Like we
Speaker 1: have to have like this myth of Americanism. We have
Speaker 1: to have that because otherwise it's like, oh, everything's gonna
Speaker 1: fall apart and we're not gonna be in charge anymore.
Speaker 1: I can't have that, okay over here, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: let's pretend like that stuff isn't all you know, the
Speaker 1: stock market you guys, um, it's like, yeah, it's all distraction.
Speaker 1: I feel like for for real life, be like in
Speaker 1: the position that I am in from my perspective, I
Speaker 1: feel like it is all distraction from what is actually occurring,
Speaker 1: like the next block over really instead of instead of
Speaker 1: dealing with oh, yeah, like we we really mess this
Speaker 1: up and we should take take responsibility for all the
Speaker 1: things that we sucked up over there, you know, like
Speaker 1: just a thought, but it's like, ah, man, this is
Speaker 1: so sad and Biden screwed up, and who else can
Speaker 1: we lay this on because you're damn sure can't be
Speaker 1: us America well, and it definitely can't be like the
Speaker 1: way that America operates generally is these like failed attempts
Speaker 1: at like being powerful and then just actually destroying hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of millions lives might Yeah, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: every story you look at, even like stories about the
Speaker 1: unhoused people, it's about what's this mayor doing? Mayor doing?
Speaker 1: What's this city doing? Not what is our society doing?
Speaker 1: What is our country doing? Where are we in a
Speaker 1: position where people who have mental health issues quite literally
Speaker 1: just left for dead on the street and they were
Speaker 1: like freaky people on the street. No, man, have some
Speaker 1: fucking empathy an understanding that other countries aren't like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a uniquely bad country that we live in
Speaker 1: in a lot of respects and like that. It's just
Speaker 1: they can't take the hell like we can't admit now.
Speaker 1: I mean like everybody, every place has its own fucked
Speaker 1: up problems, but we we we have our superpowers ignoring
Speaker 1: the funk out of them and then just keeping it
Speaker 1: moving and then wondering when it's a total mess, what
Speaker 1: went what went wrong? You're watching a slow motion car
Speaker 1: crash for twenty years the funk are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And they're like, whoa, what the funk? Huh h? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just very frustrating. And you know, when
Speaker 1: you look at really what the stakes are for human beings,
Speaker 1: like in any number of these to sub you know,
Speaker 1: these stories or whatever these events that are taking place,
Speaker 1: you're just like, damn, we're not even giving the people
Speaker 1: who are affected by a fair shout by actually accurately
Speaker 1: describing what's happening. Yeah, so hopefully that well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see what happens there. But it's tough
Speaker 1: when you have to again, you have to go to
Speaker 1: the the news websites of other countries to figure out
Speaker 1: a better idea of what your country is up to.
Speaker 1: That's a fucking terrifying thing that's been true for many years,
Speaker 1: but it only persists. There's a I think it was
Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal story about how Eric Prince is
Speaker 1: charging six thousand, five hundred dollars for a seat on
Speaker 1: a flight out of Suble. That that's just a single
Speaker 1: like anecdote in the story, and then they just kind
Speaker 1: of move past it to talk about how like Biden
Speaker 1: is like rebuffing requests from other Western allies. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: that is like, that's that's the core detail is that
Speaker 1: we have somebody who gets away with bringing a like
Speaker 1: Cala's disregard to like just monetizing human lives and deaths
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, and he exercises power to this day,
Speaker 1: like in a in a pretty profound way. That's that's
Speaker 1: your story, not you're fucking like all the I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it seems like that should be a bigger deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think when you look at those stories,
Speaker 1: it helps you even you start really seeing it for
Speaker 1: what it is, you know, the fact that it is,
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, that's that's the part of American
Speaker 1: society that well just it keeps humming along um and
Speaker 1: we it's hard to bring attention to it because I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, everybody's already so
Speaker 1: fucking pressed and so many fucking different directions like oh great,
Speaker 1: another corrupt fucking thing. I don't know, like I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to make ends meet, right, So yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: where are those stories, you know? Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back. So we wanted to update everyone on Trump's
Speaker 1: border wall Texas. We as we talked about a couple
Speaker 1: I think it was about a month ago. Texas is
Speaker 1: continuing to pour money into expanding Trump's border wall using
Speaker 1: state funds, even though it appears to be like completely
Speaker 1: tied up in the same sort of just bullshit, you know,
Speaker 1: money laundering that the first pass at the border wall
Speaker 1: was famous for. And so meanwhile in Arizona, the wall
Speaker 1: that was built is falling apart, and like not not
Speaker 1: in the metaphor, it's literally falling apart. Portions of the
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be the world's most amazingly impenetrable
Speaker 1: great wall, the best wall you've ever seen, have been
Speaker 1: torn apart by summer monsoon rains, which has something to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that it was just completely rushed.
Speaker 1: The courts allowed construction companies to bypass dozens of environmental laws.
Speaker 1: The flooding and monsoon rains were already a huge issue
Speaker 1: of concern, which is why the wall already required floodgates
Speaker 1: which had to be left open for months every summer
Speaker 1: during the monsoon season, which I don't know. So how's
Speaker 1: that like this wall for anyway? But like you don't
Speaker 1: even you're like, y'all can't even do basic wall ship Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's a it's a monument to racism.
Speaker 1: It's not a wall. Also, like to your point, like Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: it's a money laundering up, you know, like like who's
Speaker 1: built Like think about like they're spend on money for
Speaker 1: who to get that contract because his damage are not
Speaker 1: because because all these people know it's the fucking border.
Speaker 1: Wall isn't the issue. So you just do that bluss,
Speaker 1: somebody gets rich here, ramp up the Islamophobia. Now we
Speaker 1: go to the Middle East. Now somebody's getting rich. It's
Speaker 1: just yeah, so yeah, I'm glad to hear that they
Speaker 1: even knew these problems. Like yeah, still completely fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it also highlights how bad Biden's plan has been
Speaker 1: around the wall, because I think you know, he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just a political symbol, let's move on. And so
Speaker 1: he basically campaigned on not building anymore wall, but he
Speaker 1: also just like won't tear it down either, and so
Speaker 1: wall construction has been on pause, which actually is a
Speaker 1: big problem because it forces migrants to travel through more
Speaker 1: dangerous terrain, which obviously doesn't stop people. As we've talked about,
Speaker 1: it just ends up killing them. This past July, the
Speaker 1: number of migrant deaths at the border skyrocketed to the
Speaker 1: highest and nearly a decade because they've they built small
Speaker 1: parts of the wall in places where people chose to
Speaker 1: cross a lot of the time, and now they can't
Speaker 1: cross there, and there was a reason they were crossing
Speaker 1: there because the other places are deadly. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just kind of ignoring a very concrete problem
Speaker 1: because of political like bullshitty political implications. It's wild to
Speaker 1: be when I think about, like you said, like these
Speaker 1: intense monsoon rains, like if that would force a Republican
Speaker 1: to use climate change as a reason why their wall
Speaker 1: to can now, like you know, because I'm like, we
Speaker 1: couldn't have. I mean this climate change. These rains are
Speaker 1: way more intense so that we could have. And that's
Speaker 1: why the wall feeling like well, just climate change, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean only as it relates to this very
Speaker 1: specific part of the border wall. Like when your engineers
Speaker 1: reject climate change, they're like, that's not a thing that
Speaker 1: can happen, Like, you know, it's fine, the climate isn't
Speaker 1: changing that much. It'll be okay, we don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about it, right. And then also just like that
Speaker 1: the people that so you can so you I guess
Speaker 1: apparently in trust with building this wall, they don't give
Speaker 1: a fun no, they didn't build it to fucking last.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, all right, whatever, give us, give us
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, here here here, good good good good good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta keep it open. Most of the time they'll
Speaker 1: just say, you know, all right, I gotta go, I
Speaker 1: gotta go buy a fucking mega Yatt. Briefly, Delta is
Speaker 1: going with a vaccine encouragement approach rather than a vaccine mandate.
Speaker 1: They will be making it unprofitable for people to remain
Speaker 1: on vaccinated. They're they're basically saying that people who are
Speaker 1: on their company insurance and remain on vaccinated will have
Speaker 1: to pay two hundred extra dollars a month. And you know,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, again they're just like kind of
Speaker 1: putting a dollar figure on human life, and that seems
Speaker 1: to be a weird, weird thing that resonates with Americans
Speaker 1: for some reason. On the other hand, it does, you know,
Speaker 1: it's better than nothing. I guess I would say it's
Speaker 1: just weird because it's kind of like undercuts this like
Speaker 1: fundamental belief that you should have your health care you know, like,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of I and I, but I get
Speaker 1: the logic of your you can't you can't make it
Speaker 1: easy for people to take this choice that puts people
Speaker 1: at risk. But then like to do that with like
Speaker 1: adding more premiums and things like that feels like a
Speaker 1: fucking weird run rate train that could leave. But yeah,
Speaker 1: funk at this. I don't know what do they I
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other ways to do things, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely like one of those things. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's like it's an effective rebuttal to them being like,
Speaker 1: you can't force me to have it, And it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: so you guys are into the market, Like from a
Speaker 1: market perspective, you are at greater risk. We're going to
Speaker 1: have to pay more to like for you guys health
Speaker 1: care because of this belief. So therefore we're just we're
Speaker 1: just following the market, which seems to be like what
Speaker 1: y'all are into. On the other hand, it's like, what
Speaker 1: why are we even going? You know, it assumes their
Speaker 1: first argument that you can't mandate a vaccine is true,
Speaker 1: which is just not a good look because that's that's incorrect.
Speaker 1: Delta can do whatever the funk they want their prey
Speaker 1: a company and they're so they're still essentially paying people
Speaker 1: to endanger their customers lives and their other staff's lives.
Speaker 1: It feels really classes to me too, because you know,
Speaker 1: not everybody adulta is going to feel two hundred bucks, right, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're a flight attendant, like, yeah, that's probably a
Speaker 1: ton of your page, right, But you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a philot who cares like that's not even gonna that
Speaker 1: that that you're not going to notice two hundred dollars missing.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel that doesn't feel like an effective
Speaker 1: wildly underpaid but executives. But yeah, I mean if you
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, I can I can afford the two
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a month. I'm just going to take a hit,
Speaker 1: you know, to make a political point, because that's at
Speaker 1: this point, that's all that you know, people who are
Speaker 1: rejecting vaccinations, at this point, they're just trying to make
Speaker 1: a political point, and it is worth it for them
Speaker 1: to spend money to continue to be able to make
Speaker 1: that point. I don't understand the logic personally, but that
Speaker 1: that's what's motivating them, is it's like this ideological thing
Speaker 1: doesn't actually have anything to do with the science or anything, obviously,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it just feels really really classes to me
Speaker 1: to be like blanket fee. Everybody, you know, everybody pays
Speaker 1: the same amount, and if you're one of these Republican
Speaker 1: mega donors within our company, and then hey, you can
Speaker 1: shoulder that right, right, and then it's like, oh, well
Speaker 1: that's cool, I'll just pay that sounds good. Let's go
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into their Nirvana baby. I think
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic images of of the past,
Speaker 1: but I don't know forty years because everything has to
Speaker 1: be like commercial these days. Like I feel like that
Speaker 1: is that is like a culturally significant image, even though
Speaker 1: it's like just an album cover that was sold by
Speaker 1: a record company, right, and if you don't remember, it's
Speaker 1: the never Mind album covers a baby in a pool
Speaker 1: naked and there's a dollar bill and a fish hook
Speaker 1: and it's going after it. Okay, bring a bell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page that that baby
Speaker 1: still a baby in my mind. Now that person is
Speaker 1: now an adult and is suing the band for basically
Speaker 1: child endanger man. I thought at first they were suing
Speaker 1: him for for not giving him that dollar, but it
Speaker 1: turns out there suing him for a little bit more
Speaker 1: than that, and it kind of makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well this is the thing. I just I just want
Speaker 1: to go through what he's alleging here. Um. He claims
Speaker 1: that he could not consent to his image being used
Speaker 1: on the album way back in the day because you
Speaker 1: were four months old, and he says his legal guardians
Speaker 1: didn't consent to it either. That's okay, I didn't That's
Speaker 1: what he's so he was kidnapped for the photo shoot
Speaker 1: and put back in his crib. I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: where you started, Like, so what are you saying here?
Speaker 1: Was that a picture that your parents took and like
Speaker 1: they actually that was just for our private collection and
Speaker 1: then they re repurposed that, so I don't know. He
Speaker 1: also says that he claims that the image is actually
Speaker 1: child pornography. He claims the band made a promise to
Speaker 1: cover his genitals with a sticker, but it was never
Speaker 1: incorporated on the album cover. You know, I think most
Speaker 1: people say that baby nude baby photos generally don't legally
Speaker 1: rise to what they would consider pornography because of the
Speaker 1: lack of like sexual implied sexual nature of like an
Speaker 1: image to why like national geographic things aren't considered port
Speaker 1: like if it's merely something that's being captured with nudity,
Speaker 1: that's one thing. Pornography kind of the different, higher, higher
Speaker 1: definition that has to meet. And so they go on
Speaker 1: to say that his lawyers also twisting and say like
Speaker 1: it's also kind of like him being a sex worker.
Speaker 1: So he says, quote defendants intentionally commercially marketed Spencer's child
Speaker 1: pornography and leverage the shocking nature of his image to
Speaker 1: promote themselves and their music at his expense, meaning the
Speaker 1: child defendants used child pornography depicting Spencer as an essential
Speaker 1: element of a record promotion scheme co mainly utilizing the
Speaker 1: music industry to get attention, where an album covers post
Speaker 1: children in a sexually provocative manner to gain notoriety, drive sales,
Speaker 1: and garner media attention and critical reviews. What like what
Speaker 1: how I'm like trying to I'm trying to keep an
Speaker 1: open mind here, you know what I mean, because like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, like I get it. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: you were a baby, Like yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: I was just I was like one of the most
Speaker 1: famous naked babies of all time, and maybe people teased
Speaker 1: me or whatever, although like who, like, wait, aren't you
Speaker 1: the never mind baby? Who would who would know? That's
Speaker 1: the thing about babies is it's like they all pretty
Speaker 1: much looked the same at four months. You're not really
Speaker 1: gonna be able to like pull your kid out of
Speaker 1: a line up very easily. And like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: not like be like some kind of Nirvana stand to
Speaker 1: be like do touch the never mind? No? But I'm
Speaker 1: like really trying to understand, like, is this is what
Speaker 1: he's accusing them of? Is this going? Is this this
Speaker 1: is where I don't know the law or the nuances
Speaker 1: of what is or is not, you know, pornography or
Speaker 1: things like that, but just based on my very terribly
Speaker 1: superficial knowledge, I didn't think it was that controversial. But
Speaker 1: it's like a political cartoon, Like sure, it feels like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is false. This is a false premise that they
Speaker 1: were doing it with the intent of like setting up
Speaker 1: child pornography. On the other hand, just give him some
Speaker 1: money like that. I don't know. It's I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: that deal look like? Because you know how lawsuits happened,
Speaker 1: almost says, hey, man, let me come on, what the
Speaker 1: funk man cut me a little check? Man, I was
Speaker 1: a baby. You gave my parents a bunk deal. You
Speaker 1: know they were sucked up on fucking acid at the time,
Speaker 1: and they did it for forty bucks. Man, can like
Speaker 1: help me out here? You're you, You're fucking Dave Grohl,
Speaker 1: You're Chris Nova Shelick. You know you're the Kobane Estate.
Speaker 1: Helped me out here with something, and they probably funk
Speaker 1: out of here. Okay, we already signed a contract. It's
Speaker 1: right there. See you later. So then you pivot to
Speaker 1: something else, because at the end of the day, he
Speaker 1: wants Kobain, the Kobaine Estate, Dave Grol and Nova Schlick
Speaker 1: to cough up at least one fifty each, fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a thousand dollars each. That feels fair to me.
Speaker 1: I feel like they should just do that, like a
Speaker 1: reasonable amount, frankly, right. So that's what I'm curious. It's like,
Speaker 1: what did they rebuff him first when he asked for
Speaker 1: something and they said, well, then fine, let's I'll make
Speaker 1: a lawsuit out of this and then I'll just make
Speaker 1: out you fucking settled with me. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: you're taking it too far though, because it's like there's
Speaker 1: something very wrong with you if you see a four
Speaker 1: month old baby and think this is sexually explicit pornography,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's creepy, Like why why is that
Speaker 1: the first thing that you go to. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's not the angle that maybe he should have taken,
Speaker 1: because that again, like you're trying to make an image
Speaker 1: of an infant into pornography in order to make your case.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know about that art Hyam, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that argument. That's
Speaker 1: I think that's where maybe his lawyer is the one
Speaker 1: who's like really being like, no, see, this is how
Speaker 1: you do it, man. He tends yea, you know they
Speaker 1: never mind baby. Yeah, I signed him as a client. Man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get We're gonna go after Nirvana now
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna say he was a sex worker at
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, especially because that album was so like
Speaker 1: made them illogically immorally wealthy, like to a degree that
Speaker 1: like I think they all admitted at the time, was
Speaker 1: like this is this sort of fame, this sort of
Speaker 1: wealth is absurd and like shouldn't exist, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: and also less likely to admit that now, right. And
Speaker 1: the album cover itself is like, you know, a commentary
Speaker 1: on capitalism and being like, hey, here a little baby,
Speaker 1: here's a get get hooked on the dollar. And rather
Speaker 1: than something like that, like what they're saying, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they were trying to get people that
Speaker 1: could be the most controversial thing. I feel like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Again, I was only a but a boy
Speaker 1: at the time, so I wasn't in touch with all
Speaker 1: of the news media commentary around this. But I I
Speaker 1: thought a boy named Google the Google Dolls cover got
Speaker 1: more heat than this ship did. When they're like it's
Speaker 1: got it's this little boy has blood on his face. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's like what But again, I I leave it
Speaker 1: to the gen Xite gang people. What was the tone
Speaker 1: where people like, oh my god, this baby No not really,
Speaker 1: I I don't think so. And it like has such
Speaker 1: a clear it really does contribute to the album though,
Speaker 1: Like the the it really like nails the sort of
Speaker 1: vibe of the album, and like this, you can tell
Speaker 1: that it's like kind of intentionally stupid, but also like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just that just the tone of the
Speaker 1: album is a fit, which is why I think they
Speaker 1: should just pay him what he's asking, because it's like
Speaker 1: it really was like that image resonated with that album,
Speaker 1: and the combination really resonated with everybody. I don't know
Speaker 1: the meaning I got from it was just that like
Speaker 1: they were doing a kind of a silly self mocking
Speaker 1: like political cartoon, but at the same time, you know
Speaker 1: they were anti capitalist. It's interesting. He then in sixteen,
Speaker 1: he talked about how he got quote got a little
Speaker 1: upset about his notoriety. He's a quote I just woke
Speaker 1: up already being part of this huge project. It's pretty difficult.
Speaker 1: You feel like you're famous for nothing. It's hard not
Speaker 1: to get upset when you hear how much money was involved.
Speaker 1: When I go to a baseball game and think about it, man,
Speaker 1: everybody at this baseball game has probably seen my little
Speaker 1: baby Penis, I feel like I got part of my
Speaker 1: human rights revoked. That's a very specific though, buts this journey.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he said, I'm at this baseball game, like, huh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I get it, you know, because you look
Speaker 1: at now this this fucking all the whole unseeen that
Speaker 1: ship's coming back around visually, graphically, you see it in
Speaker 1: the fashion people are rocking this beep. I've seen this
Speaker 1: shirt printed millions of times. So in that way, I
Speaker 1: would be like, yo, I'm like the jump man of
Speaker 1: the grunge scene. Yeah, and you're not gonna give me
Speaker 1: my fucking cut. That's I think you have something to
Speaker 1: go with their But that's why I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to take whatever. You know, that's his experience. So
Speaker 1: if that's how it feels, that's how I feels. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's really common though, in in in imagery
Speaker 1: of like African Americans historically that we're used to market things,
Speaker 1: right like Anshemima, Uncle Ben situations where yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like your image was just taken and you you know,
Speaker 1: maybe got a couple of dollars for it, if you
Speaker 1: were paid at all, and then yeah, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we we still hundreds of millions of units of whatever
Speaker 1: thing that's that this is, and sorry, he still don't
Speaker 1: get any money for it because you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: our It's like your images are so like from that perspective,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm not cool with not paying him
Speaker 1: more given what we now know over the last forty years.
Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly, it's yeah, it's it is. It's iconic,
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, it's totally reasonable for
Speaker 1: him to ask to be paid more. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: like the legal ease comes in. It's like, well, this
Speaker 1: agreement has been signed, so like the claim that they're
Speaker 1: making that it is in a long history of there
Speaker 1: are some severely fucked up classic rock albums that do
Speaker 1: use child pornography and like should be banned, and I
Speaker 1: think have been banned in a lot of cases. But
Speaker 1: this just feels like trying to graft onto that, Like
Speaker 1: the Naked Baby. It feels feels weird more than anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, if that if this young man or
Speaker 1: whatever this is like in the thirties, now this dude,
Speaker 1: this feels like he's owed more than Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: that conversation role for how like you know, how you
Speaker 1: know hi crunchy and hippie dippie and all love E
Speaker 1: dove you you seem to be like a check bro.
Speaker 1: I feel slightly differently about so. Vampire Weekend had a
Speaker 1: similar thing. They had pretty iconic album cover for Contra
Speaker 1: that was like this young woman looking very eaties and
Speaker 1: it was apparently a like they they bought it off
Speaker 1: of a photographer who claimed that he had taken the
Speaker 1: picture like of a model at like a behind the
Speaker 1: scenes like it was just a very obscure picture. But
Speaker 1: the photographer was like a scam artist, and they she
Speaker 1: sued the band for two million dollars. They settled with
Speaker 1: her and then like countersued the photographer essentially, and I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win that because the photographer was like
Speaker 1: lying and to the point that like his lawyer fired
Speaker 1: him and now he's representing himself. Oh great, that's what
Speaker 1: That's how you know you're in good shape. But that
Speaker 1: I also have a difficulty with, Like any band like
Speaker 1: Nirvana would be the last band that I'd be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they're rich, because like after that, like nobody everybody stopped
Speaker 1: making money in the music industry. I feel like, maybe
Speaker 1: not immediately after that, but for like they're of that
Speaker 1: generation of bands that was still getting like kind of
Speaker 1: absurdly wealthy. Like I don't think Vampire Weekend has two
Speaker 1: million dollars laying around. They might. I'm sure they licensed
Speaker 1: their ship enough I remember seeing in a bunch of
Speaker 1: But I mean that's the difference, right, because you have
Speaker 1: the musicians who make their ship. Now are the ones
Speaker 1: who get their stuff put in TV of film and commercials,
Speaker 1: or you do arenas that's kind of like the or
Speaker 1: you do the hyper indie model where you can cut
Speaker 1: out the labels so you're not cut up caught up
Speaker 1: in some three sixty deal and you actually do it
Speaker 1: independent and try and keep you know, the revenue coming
Speaker 1: back to you the artist. But yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: the people making money. But yeah, it's definitely become like
Speaker 1: like it's like the one percent of bands essentially do
Speaker 1: like nineties style revenue. Yeah, I remember that there was
Speaker 1: like a profile of that beingd Grizzly Bear, which was
Speaker 1: like a popular indie band. Like I hadn't seen them live,
Speaker 1: but I like new people who had gone to see
Speaker 1: them live, and I had like one of their albums
Speaker 1: on like one of the download services and somebody like profile.
Speaker 1: It was back before the everything was streaming, and uh,
Speaker 1: they somebody profiled them and they were like really struggling
Speaker 1: to like make ends meet, like after at the time
Speaker 1: they were like peak fame. They were like yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like we live in two small like apartments there are
Speaker 1: too small for our families, and like really are check
Speaker 1: to check because of just like the way that the
Speaker 1: music industry went, like they're stopped being as much money
Speaker 1: when album sales stopped, but that that didn't come out
Speaker 1: of the record company's pocket, that came out of the
Speaker 1: artist kind of pocket. Yeah, they really kind of got
Speaker 1: fucked in a lot of ways. So that's why that's
Speaker 1: why I go and Hyperandi is a is a great route.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Chance. He hasn't really he dropped that
Speaker 1: stinker and I haven't heard much from him since then,
Speaker 1: just like features on Justin Bieber tracks. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about him financially, He's so great. I'm just wondering, like
Speaker 1: is he gonna have a return to form. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it depends on you know, everyone's uh, everyone's on their
Speaker 1: own path artistically. But I can only imagine when you
Speaker 1: when you come from like money, Yeah, at a certain point,
Speaker 1: like it almost like you took that box. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did that. Mha, I love my wife. I should
Speaker 1: sucked all right, Well, Tory, it has been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure as always having you. Where can people find you
Speaker 1: and follow you? Yeah, thank you so much. I always
Speaker 1: loved chatting with y'all the best. I'm sometimes on the
Speaker 1: internet in social social places, mainly Twitter and Instagram. So
Speaker 1: my personal stuff is at Tory Glass and all the
Speaker 1: White Homework stuff is just at White Homework. And yeah,
Speaker 1: have podcast called White Homework and then an they're called
Speaker 1: Go Home Bible. You're drunk, you want to check either
Speaker 1: of those out? So yeah, that's that's usually where you
Speaker 1: can find me on the internet. All right, what's the
Speaker 1: wildest ship you discovered in the Bible that you did
Speaker 1: not expect to be there in the course of this podcast? Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's like my my favorite, my favorite wild bananas
Speaker 1: story in the Bible is Moses, right, the guy with
Speaker 1: like the Staff and the parting of the Red Sea.
Speaker 1: He's on his way to Egypt with his wife and
Speaker 1: God decides to meet them in the middle of the
Speaker 1: road and starts fighting with Moses because the Bible says
Speaker 1: God wants to kill him. So you just had like
Speaker 1: this one eight like complete change of heart, is like,
Speaker 1: actually I don't like you anymore, and so basically most
Speaker 1: of his wife shows up and like the text says,
Speaker 1: circumcises for Sun on the spot with a flint knife
Speaker 1: and then apparently God is okay with this. She like
Speaker 1: throws it at God and God's like okay, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm gonna leave now. Yeah, it's true. That
Speaker 1: is true. I just yeah, no, I know, but like
Speaker 1: that's that's my personal favorite story because like a black
Speaker 1: a black woman and God get into a fight and
Speaker 1: the black woman wins and care for that. Is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying, well, I mean obviously the tweet like
Speaker 1: the CIA put all the milk rates in the hood.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite right now, Like where do we all
Speaker 1: get these milk Like they just they just magically appeared
Speaker 1: in every single neighborhood, Like where did this come from?
Speaker 1: That's it's that we would be the FBI would not.
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking with it, and either shoot, but it's
Speaker 1: always feels like it's like behind like a liquor store
Speaker 1: or something like it, because that's where you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the milk rates. Anyone who's borrowed the milk crate, typically
Speaker 1: we'll find it near a grocery store, local bodega, liquor store.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a lot of milk rates. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I just wasn't noticing the milk crates before,
Speaker 1: because now I'm starting to see them. Granted it was
Speaker 1: on the set of our live show, but there were
Speaker 1: a bunch of milk crates all over the place. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, yeah, great, great thing for production. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You'll see a lot of milk
Speaker 1: crates for production. Where's the production version? Come on? Yeah, Miles,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray
Speaker 1: and the other show for twenty Day Fiance with Sophia
Speaker 1: Alexandra talking a ninety day with each other. And let's
Speaker 1: see a couple of things that I like. The first
Speaker 1: one is from at carly Ja Garber. She tweeted a
Speaker 1: guy at my high school reunion asked me, didn't you
Speaker 1: like create Broad City? And I said, yes, Like who
Speaker 1: the fund is this? Yes? W yeah, fucking funny as
Speaker 1: fun to me. And then ray Apolo at ray Apollo tweeted,
Speaker 1: I just like this is as a creator. Your community
Speaker 1: is a reflection of you, and I shout out was
Speaker 1: like game because y'all are dope makes me feel good.
Speaker 1: So yep, good good feels there. Yeah. Yeah, let's see
Speaker 1: a couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Pizzerina Sparrow tweeted,
Speaker 1: I just talked to everyone in the grocery store that
Speaker 1: you're at. They all said you're acting super weird and
Speaker 1: they know that you're hot. I just talked to everyone.
Speaker 1: I feel really insecure just listening to that. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: everyone's there. They can tell I'm not talking right, just like,
Speaker 1: enter a conversation and laugh really laugh. Big Honker Caboos tweeted,
Speaker 1: your honor, what's the move after this? Like? What's everyone
Speaker 1: getting into? Excuse me, you're here for an appeal? Uh?
Speaker 1: And then Daddy Longlegs tweeted pronouncing milk crates the same
Speaker 1: way I would Socrates, which I always like a good pronunciation. Note, uh,
Speaker 1: milk rates so crazy. Yeah, that's the other way to
Speaker 1: go with. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Oh, Brian,
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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes on our footnotes, where we
Speaker 1: link off to the information that we talked about in
Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think
Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Miles, what song are we suggesting people
Speaker 1: go check out? This is a track from deb Never
Speaker 1: and jim Eat Stack. I'm not really I don't know
Speaker 1: much about deb Never, but the track was real upbeat
Speaker 1: and just kind of it's like this new era of
Speaker 1: like hip hop e pop music that just kind of
Speaker 1: feels I don't know, like I just like the way
Speaker 1: music is evolving right now. There's a lot of like
Speaker 1: genre lest genres that are just like so multi hyphen
Speaker 1: it that I'm like, yeah, this is like everything I like,
Speaker 1: but you somehows like the best parts have made it
Speaker 1: one thing. So this is deb Never and Jimmy Stack
Speaker 1: is called Sweet and Spice. There's so much good music
Speaker 1: we can ever understand it when people are like music
Speaker 1: to sucks. It's like, oh man, I cannot okay what
Speaker 1: you can't be passive about this? Ship? Like if you
Speaker 1: really funk with music like it's out there, it's just
Speaker 1: gotta put a little energy in there and it will
Speaker 1: rivule itself. Also, Jimmy Stacks is a like that feels
Speaker 1: like something eat a Jimmy Stack or something like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's also you know one of the
Speaker 1: most famous great challenge people, Jimmy Stack. Oh really say yeah, yeah,
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