Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, Episode one
Speaker 1: of Jose Days. Like guys to production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, July one. My name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien a K. I got my vaccination last week,
Speaker 1: just like we always talked about. You were so excited
Speaker 1: for me to finally get up about the house. But
Speaker 1: today I checked on the case counts crying because they
Speaker 1: keep going up. And I know we weren't perfect, but
Speaker 1: I told you a d mask for no one, and
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine how you can be so okay
Speaker 1: less mento queueing on. Yes, you lied when you told
Speaker 1: me that you got your back scene, but you picked
Speaker 1: up COVID now, I said, alone and just tweet. All right,
Speaker 1: that's courtesy of just listening at c k UH and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined by today's extra very special
Speaker 1: guest co host, the brilliant, the talented Joel Mo. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I felt bad because I too hungover to create
Speaker 1: a song this morning, but that song was so fucking
Speaker 1: brilliant that we didn't need another one. Like yeah, and
Speaker 1: and the last time I was on here, I also
Speaker 1: didn't live Rodrigo Pie, So it was just it just
Speaker 1: felt right. It was spiritual, it was good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's doing the work both on this show for vaccination
Speaker 1: purposes and at the White House, in the actually White House,
Speaker 1: Chanel no Less get it. Yeah. I think I feel
Speaker 1: like if she knew that I was going to do
Speaker 1: that a k, she might not have even needed to
Speaker 1: go to the White House. Joel, We are thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat by a very funny
Speaker 1: comedian who's been featured on the Today Show Cosmo. I
Speaker 1: was named by Refinery twenty nine is one of fifty
Speaker 1: female comedians you need to know. She also happens to
Speaker 1: be a board certified physician. Please welcome pri uncle Wally.
Speaker 1: What's up? Thank you so much. I'm so stoked to
Speaker 1: be here. We're excited to have you. Yeah. So, I
Speaker 1: have to assume that being a physician has been difficult
Speaker 1: over these past couple of years. I mean, that's one
Speaker 1: way to put it. I remember when I was younger,
Speaker 1: my dad was like, if you become a physician, like
Speaker 1: you're you're always gonna have job security, Like you'll never
Speaker 1: have to worry about having a job, and then when
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit, I was like, this wasn't exactly what
Speaker 1: I had in mind. Right, You weren't like, yes, right,
Speaker 1: wasn't chomping at the bid. But I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, people need help. There's lots of
Speaker 1: people that don't get access to really good healthcare. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying, you know, one doctor can
Speaker 1: make a difference or anything, but I every little thing helps.
Speaker 1: You know, people need and don't want help. Apparently is
Speaker 1: the is the new trend in America. Yeah, keep your
Speaker 1: vaccine out of my arm. Bill Gates. Alright, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 1: a moment. First, we canna tell our listeners a couple
Speaker 1: of things we're talking about. We are, of course going
Speaker 1: to talk about COVID nineteen back in l A County
Speaker 1: and especially in Tokyo, Um not great. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: what's being termed woo and on, which is the q
Speaker 1: and on invasion into the wellness world, particularly in out
Speaker 1: in California, but it's also called pastel. Q and on
Speaker 1: was sort of the instagrammification of Q and on and like,
Speaker 1: making it pretty and part of that whole movement, that
Speaker 1: whole world. Joel is going to finally say enough is
Speaker 1: enough with the marvel slander, the hard facts about Loki.
Speaker 1: I wish Whiles were here so I could tell him
Speaker 1: to his face, but he's gonna I'm gonna send him
Speaker 1: this immediately afterwards, like, yeah, we have words to exchange.
Speaker 1: Did he even watch it or what was I forget
Speaker 1: what he even Did he have like a real spicy
Speaker 1: take on Loki. Yeah, he was basically just like dismissing
Speaker 1: it out right, and that's just low key, but the
Speaker 1: full and see you and I've been listening right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not interested. No, no, wrong, wrong decisions,
Speaker 1: incorrect sir. We're gonna talk about Texas rebooting Trump's border wall.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a about California approving thirty five million
Speaker 1: dollars in guaranteed income, which is exciting, some good news.
Speaker 1: And we will talk about Luca, which was a massive
Speaker 1: hit in the streaming world, and also Army of the Dead,
Speaker 1: which was the last kind of movie to open like
Speaker 1: a blockbuster on streaming. I finally watched that ship very weird.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that plenty more. But first, Prinka,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history. Yeah, so I had to look this up,
Speaker 1: and it was why is caviar so expensive? Why? Why
Speaker 1: did you have to look it up? It's really expensive,
Speaker 1: and I would love to be eating more caviar because
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of really good nutritional benefits.
Speaker 1: But it's it's ridiculously expensive. So I had started this,
Speaker 1: but then of course I got distracted. I never finished
Speaker 1: the article. So, but it's it's a very like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a very like intricate process where they extract
Speaker 1: eggs from the sturgeon, and now sturgeon or endangered, so
Speaker 1: they only use farm sturgeon. And so yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's like this luxury good idem. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like the Louis Vatton of the food
Speaker 1: and industry apparently, and and you just like get this
Speaker 1: much and it's it's like it's really expensive. It's like
Speaker 1: over a hundred dollars for like just a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it's so tasty, like it's like like eating I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not eating fish eggs like I've seen
Speaker 1: how they're extracted and it looks vile, not interested, and
Speaker 1: then they would put it on some lobster mac and
Speaker 1: cheese and that was it. I was like, I'm a
Speaker 1: full convert delicious, did not know it was healthy? Right
Speaker 1: under that then was best outdoor lunch spots near me,
Speaker 1: because you gotta eat outdoor. When you're eating your caviar,
Speaker 1: you gotta flux on the on the people. Full disclosure,
Speaker 1: I have not had caviar in a very very long time,
Speaker 1: but I very much would love to if I could
Speaker 1: get access to I want cheap caviar. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a caviar connect. I'll hook you up with all
Speaker 1: of what. Let's get out of here. No, I'm just choking.
Speaker 1: I do not. You're like friends with the sturgeon basically exactly.
Speaker 1: She's very productive. I feel like you would not want
Speaker 1: black market caviar. Maybe, but maybe I'm migerating the black
Speaker 1: market caviar. I know, like these like under the table eggs.
Speaker 1: I like salmon row. I feel like that's a little Yeah,
Speaker 1: salmon is like a nice, like affordable kind of option,
Speaker 1: right because it's Yeah, I think it's relatively inexpensive and
Speaker 1: nutritionally you do get kind of the same benefits. There's
Speaker 1: lots of omegas and all this stuff. But but that
Speaker 1: coveted sturgeon caviar that it's that it's the idea of
Speaker 1: wanting something that you can't have. You know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: if caviar was like really cheap, I wouldn't be like,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about that. So yeah, samum roe is
Speaker 1: like Nature's boba. I feel like this gives you what
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? Oh? Man? So you
Speaker 1: know when I heard you guys were gonna ask me this,
Speaker 1: I really went back and forth because by definition, like,
Speaker 1: no matter what I say, it will like isolate, like
Speaker 1: it will cause uprest in one one population, because by default,
Speaker 1: the fact that something is overrated means that there is
Speaker 1: a significant population that likes it. So I realized, like,
Speaker 1: no matter what I say, people will be like, oh
Speaker 1: hell no, this bitch didn't say that. So I went
Speaker 1: been forth and I came up with all these things,
Speaker 1: and then finely I honed it down two Pokemon cards,
Speaker 1: because I think Pokemon cards are ridiculously overrated. They're worth
Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on what kind
Speaker 1: of card do you have. And it's like it's a
Speaker 1: piece of paper, it's a card, and yet this is
Speaker 1: like this is like a whole industry on it, And
Speaker 1: I think that's crazy. I think that's totally nuts. Now
Speaker 1: you've stepped in it so many thoughts. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Like I agree with you because at one point Targets
Speaker 1: said it's so out of control we can no longer
Speaker 1: sell Pokemon cards. What's crazy? Like, no sense, I never
Speaker 1: read the history of like baseball cards, horrid shop being like,
Speaker 1: y'all are acting too wild in these streets. We're just
Speaker 1: not cut off. Yeah. Also, isn't it like targets shop
Speaker 1: to get people to Target, Like, isn't that the whole goal?
Speaker 1: Who too many? Sorry, I've had enough customers. Target already
Speaker 1: has such a high threshold for holding lots of people, right,
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a it's a like muted
Speaker 1: down version of Costco without samples. And to even have
Speaker 1: Target be like whoa, okay, guys, we need a tone.
Speaker 1: This is a bit much for us. You know that
Speaker 1: That says so much about the consciousness of our art population. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I mean not just the Pokemon cars, but like, let's
Speaker 1: not forget that when what was that video that that
Speaker 1: app on the phone was a Pokemon Go or that
Speaker 1: game where people died. There were literally there was loss
Speaker 1: of life over this. I mean, that's that to me,
Speaker 1: says a lot. Yeah, it was not the CIA is
Speaker 1: Deadliest operation, but it was you for for a app.
Speaker 1: It wasn't great for a c I A opp which
Speaker 1: it probably was. But like real talk, though, what other
Speaker 1: apps have actually killed human beings? Yeah, that's a good question,
Speaker 1: Uber quite a bit. Okay, yes, Uber, all the social
Speaker 1: media ones, that's fine, all the social media Okay, let's
Speaker 1: ever make it to an applist. It didn't. Actually, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Craigslist did make it to an app.
Speaker 1: It's probably the most murderous app, right for sure. But
Speaker 1: which gaming app has actually killed people? Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. So candy Crush probably killed It's like if
Speaker 1: you if you add up all the time that candy
Speaker 1: Crush has made disappear, it's like probably caused people to
Speaker 1: die of old age if you think about it that way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, candy Cush just definitely like been
Speaker 1: a contributor to destroying the fabric of our society, right
Speaker 1: for what is something you think is underrated. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this was actually a lot easier for me to answer.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think meditation is really underrated because it's
Speaker 1: something you can do on your own. You don't need
Speaker 1: to like buy something in order to meditate. It involves breathing,
Speaker 1: and it actually is like there's so much data about
Speaker 1: how mindfulness practices can improve health outcomes and wellness. And
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about like the wellness industry. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about like sitting and being with your feelings
Speaker 1: is a type of meditation, or taking deep breaths is
Speaker 1: another kind of meditation. But I think meditation as an
Speaker 1: as a form of therapy if you will, it's it's affordable,
Speaker 1: it has benefits. What harm can come from that? I
Speaker 1: think this is like seriously a super underrated thing. I
Speaker 1: think we should be like teaching this in schools, you know,
Speaker 1: just like spreading the word. I think we should have
Speaker 1: work accommodation so that people can take meditation breaks. I
Speaker 1: think the world would just be a better place if
Speaker 1: there were more people meditating and fewer people playing Pokemon.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of studies to where they replace
Speaker 1: you know, detention with meditation, right, and the overall improvement
Speaker 1: of these kids from a discipline perspective over time. And
Speaker 1: it's just like I just started meditating seriously maybe two
Speaker 1: or three weeks ago, and it's crazy how fast the
Speaker 1: change is. Like it's the first thing I do when
Speaker 1: I wake up. I did have to buy I have
Speaker 1: a d h D, so I buy um like a
Speaker 1: guided meditation thing so that I wouldn't wonder too far
Speaker 1: off the thinking path. But it's it's just as far
Speaker 1: as like getting set for your day. But also you know,
Speaker 1: if you find yourself in a overly emotional state in being,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remove myself and sit and think for
Speaker 1: a second. It's you're right, It's just it's completely changes
Speaker 1: your perspective and ability to handle difficult situations, difficult emotional things.
Speaker 1: I'm a very emotional person, so oftentimes like this is
Speaker 1: just too much and some sort of like letting it overwhelm.
Speaker 1: You can just go meditate for humanists, and it's it's transformative. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, right, Like the world is full
Speaker 1: of problems, Like we all have issues, whether it's within
Speaker 1: your own self or interpersonal issues. But here's the thing
Speaker 1: about changing. You can't change what you can't see and
Speaker 1: if if there's no self awareness, then you can't change
Speaker 1: your behavior. And meditation is one of the basic, most
Speaker 1: simple task you can do to at least make the
Speaker 1: effort to become more self aware by just noticing the
Speaker 1: thoughts that you're having, the emotions that you're having. If
Speaker 1: you you can't change a problem if you can't see
Speaker 1: the problem. Right, Yeah, I do want to say it's
Speaker 1: so meditation can be cheap, but if you want to
Speaker 1: do it correctly, you do have to buy my meditation
Speaker 1: sportswear and meditation sports sprints which help you with the
Speaker 1: meditation process and make you meditate harder than you've ever
Speaker 1: medicated before. Right, I'm actually wearing a meditation headband. I
Speaker 1: do wonder how much the lack of like meditation being
Speaker 1: woven into our day to day lives is that meditation
Speaker 1: makes you a worse consumer, because I think I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of air consumption as members of a
Speaker 1: capitalist culture is like compulsive and an attempt to fill
Speaker 1: a whole that meditation actually requires you to take a
Speaker 1: look at and like become familiar with. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: that point. I mean, yeah, it is meditation, this anti
Speaker 1: capitalist sort of entity and to be honest, like emotions
Speaker 1: they change with the wind, they change constantly. And if
Speaker 1: you develop enough self awareness that you're not sort of
Speaker 1: controlled by your emotions, what does that mean? That's freedom.
Speaker 1: And you know, when it comes to controlling societies, the
Speaker 1: last thing you want are your constituents to to be free, right,
Speaker 1: because it's harder to control them. So, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's that's such a really interesting perspective. So meditation is
Speaker 1: a form of protest. I guess yes, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and so is COVID nineteen baby so l
Speaker 1: A County. On Saturday night this past Saturday, we went
Speaker 1: back to having to wear masks again, masking up and
Speaker 1: then in sort of a more broad international scope, the
Speaker 1: Tokyo Olympics is a little less than a week away,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just not going well, you guys. It's
Speaker 1: so frustrating, Jack, because knowing that this could have been
Speaker 1: like very much one and done, if somebody had had
Speaker 1: the tenacity to be like, everyone go inside for four months,
Speaker 1: double outside, we're gonna mask up, just be really really responsible.
Speaker 1: Here's like could be even to get everybody through the
Speaker 1: next four months, eradicated get back out there, half fun
Speaker 1: and then to be like we knew that the minute
Speaker 1: they were like, okay, you're good to go back out,
Speaker 1: like it's not done yet. When new variants come being in.
Speaker 1: My friend works for the CDC and she was like, no, guys, like, seriously,
Speaker 1: don't Delta virus is coming, even if you're vaccinated, must
Speaker 1: be safe. So when they say when they then announced
Speaker 1: mess have to go back on, like it's you We've
Speaker 1: crossed the threshold of back and forth. I feel very
Speaker 1: strongly that people are like I'm done now. They just
Speaker 1: don't want to to take the precautions and it's scary.
Speaker 1: And now of course our numbers are going back up,
Speaker 1: and it's making everything like clipping a verse of people
Speaker 1: who thought they were going to finally become financially stable
Speaker 1: and they were going to get back to like having
Speaker 1: these like steady jobs where they could be out in
Speaker 1: the world, you know, and I'm talking everything from like
Speaker 1: hairstylists to to photographers to anything like that's very basic
Speaker 1: requires you to be in person. You know, all of
Speaker 1: those lives are now again and upheaval, and it's i
Speaker 1: don't understand why we have to keep going back and forth,
Speaker 1: Like I really wish we could just be like we're
Speaker 1: just gonna stay locked down until this is resolved. Did
Speaker 1: you guys see this is the This is really random,
Speaker 1: but did you guys see on social media? I don't
Speaker 1: know what channel, but this was like early when people
Speaker 1: were like, hell, no, I'm not going to wear a mask,
Speaker 1: or like I can't breathe in those masks, like it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel comfortable. And did you guys ever see on
Speaker 1: social media? Someone was like, if you're a straight guy
Speaker 1: and you don't want to wear a mask because you
Speaker 1: don't like the way it feels on your face, you've
Speaker 1: basically just added yourself as someone that's never eating someone else,
Speaker 1: Like way to go. It was so good, it feels bad.
Speaker 1: I can't breathe my face free. So on Thursday last Thursday,
Speaker 1: the president of the International Olympic Committee, Thomas Bach, insisted
Speaker 1: that there was no risk that the games would spread
Speaker 1: infection and there have been thirty total confirmed cases like
Speaker 1: just within either athletes or planning committee members. And the
Speaker 1: US basketball is like starting shooting guard Bradley Beale had
Speaker 1: to go into COVID protocol and will not be able
Speaker 1: to be a part of the Olympics. It's just it
Speaker 1: feels like we're watching, you know. It feels like a
Speaker 1: lot of stories and moments have felt throughout this pandemic
Speaker 1: like we're just watching something in slow motion happen. The
Speaker 1: power of capitalism has become so it's not a mystery
Speaker 1: anymore to me. I guess before I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a system and I I've always lived under it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure like what would replace it the
Speaker 1: drive to make money in the phase because because I
Speaker 1: can't solve for X, like what kind of person who
Speaker 1: is any level of intelligence says the pandemic can't touch us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring people from all over the world. It's
Speaker 1: still going on, but there's no way it'll spread here. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no I don't know if that's you know, is
Speaker 1: it stupidity, is it pride? Or is it literally just
Speaker 1: we have to make money. We don't know what else
Speaker 1: to do. You're the Olympics, like you'll you'll get more
Speaker 1: money in a couple of years, and you don't have
Speaker 1: stake in anything. You make, the city you choose pay
Speaker 1: for everything. So what is really the problem here incredibly
Speaker 1: confusing to me. Well, who pays for the Olympics? Is
Speaker 1: it the hosting city? So I mean there's probably like
Speaker 1: a pretty complicated weaving of corporate interests who are sponsoring it,
Speaker 1: with the planning committees, with the local government. But it
Speaker 1: has a lot of a lot of money tied up
Speaker 1: in it. Interesting. Yeah, So last Friday, the organizing Committee
Speaker 1: reported four new infections among Olympic related personnel, which brings
Speaker 1: that to thirty total confirmed cases this month. There's twenty
Speaker 1: one South African rugby players went into isolation after being
Speaker 1: identified as close contacts of an infected person on their flight.
Speaker 1: And again just have to read that quote one more
Speaker 1: time from the president of the International Olympic Committee that
Speaker 1: there is no risk that the game's would spread infections.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if some of the because some of
Speaker 1: the sports, the Olympic sports are like isolated events, like
Speaker 1: they're just one person, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they do now to throw a javelin or something.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if they like evacuated the entire stadium
Speaker 1: to allow the like one COVID positive athlete to like
Speaker 1: throw this javelin and then they like disinfect the whole
Speaker 1: stadium and then they like wait a week and they
Speaker 1: allow the next person to come in. They can have
Speaker 1: like a really prolonged Olympics. Yeah, that sounds rate. I
Speaker 1: hope somebody is able to pull that off. It just
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's gonna be such a mess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's too bad. I hope no one no one dies
Speaker 1: from from it. Have you Like, it does seem like
Speaker 1: young people are We're having a hard time get to
Speaker 1: getting young people on board the vaccination tray. I have
Speaker 1: a theory about that because, like kids don't typically watch
Speaker 1: the news, and there's not like a solid source space
Speaker 1: source to like get them the information they need to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. You know, a lot of them aren't aware
Speaker 1: that it's free. You can just walk into all the
Speaker 1: means and get your shot and be done with it.
Speaker 1: And I think also a lot of misinformation at the
Speaker 1: top of the pandemic of like children can't catch it
Speaker 1: has thrown a lot of them into just being indifferent
Speaker 1: about it. And then of course, you know, if you're young,
Speaker 1: you just tend to be more reckless anyhow. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of young people think they're invincible.
Speaker 1: I mean I was never like that because I think
Speaker 1: learning about medical illnesses, I was just like afraid all
Speaker 1: the time. So like when COVID. When COVID happened, it
Speaker 1: was just like business as usual for me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think there's a you know, young folks think
Speaker 1: they'll they'll live forever right for wherever you are, they'll
Speaker 1: just be a cold. But it's not just a cold kids,
Speaker 1: it's not people your age have died from this. It's yeah, yeah, shot,
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt. That's really hard too, especially when I
Speaker 1: read about like kids, kids dying from it. I think
Speaker 1: that's a hard pill to swallow. Yeah. Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: spreading misinformation, we've talked recently about ways the Q and
Speaker 1: On has kind of you know gone underground. January six,
Speaker 1: bad look, bad branding for the whole Q and On brand,
Speaker 1: and so they've had to kind of go underground, changed
Speaker 1: their look a little bit. Uh. One thing that we
Speaker 1: talked about them doing is you know, competing for spots
Speaker 1: on school boards, so like trying to do take practical
Speaker 1: steps to make their worldview that there's a Satanic cabal
Speaker 1: controlling everything practical on a local level. Another way that
Speaker 1: it's metastasized is in the wellness and yoga and you know,
Speaker 1: stay at home mom and alternate medicine communities. Some people
Speaker 1: are calling it pastel q and on because of like
Speaker 1: the Instagram aesthetic that those communities usually adopt. But basically
Speaker 1: the Q and On movement took the opportunity took like
Speaker 1: the skepticism around vaccines and the pandemic and like just
Speaker 1: the discomfort caused by the pandemic and this idea of
Speaker 1: like bodily autonomy, like that nobody can tell you what
Speaker 1: to do with your body, and like turned used that
Speaker 1: as like kind of a toe hole to introduce Q
Speaker 1: and on theories. And there's this article in the l
Speaker 1: A Times and also in l A Magazine about how
Speaker 1: you know these people who are like yoga teachers and
Speaker 1: sound healers and they're like, yeah, no, all of my
Speaker 1: friends are now part of Q and On, Like I've
Speaker 1: had to move and like that. I think it's a
Speaker 1: helpful idea to like view the world on this continuum
Speaker 1: of like from the east, like East Asia being more
Speaker 1: like collective minded all the way to like California being
Speaker 1: the most individualistic minded of of people. I feel like
Speaker 1: that isn't explicitly true, like specifically true, but I think
Speaker 1: it can be like just broadly speaking somewhat true. And
Speaker 1: I think that makes southern California and the whole like
Speaker 1: wellness movement and the rejection of like Western medicine especially
Speaker 1: susceptible to some of these ideas. If there's a lot
Speaker 1: to exploit within those communities as somebody who who dabls
Speaker 1: it and out of multiple crossovers of that community, that
Speaker 1: truly doesn't surprise me at all. And the more I
Speaker 1: think about how we are sourcing our information and the
Speaker 1: fact that there's really no guidelines anymore as far as
Speaker 1: like journalistic integrity is really just only applies to actual journalists,
Speaker 1: and there's so much information being spread but people who
Speaker 1: might claim to be journalists, people who claim to be
Speaker 1: knowledgeable on a subject, and people just sort of take
Speaker 1: it at face value. It's scary to think that there
Speaker 1: might be no end to this. Yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: and the beginning I said, like, oh, meditation is really
Speaker 1: under very underrated. But it's like come on, now you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna this thing to come on something, you know,
Speaker 1: like you colonized our countries, you colonized our bodies. Now
Speaker 1: you're going to colonize our minds and our spirits and
Speaker 1: our psyches co on. Yeah, I mean this kind of
Speaker 1: yoga teacher leader in southern California was talking about how she,
Speaker 1: like mid pandemic had like posted on social media and
Speaker 1: was like, look, I'm seeing a lot of these like
Speaker 1: dangerous q and on ideas popping up and like kind
Speaker 1: of just laid out why they were bullshit, and she
Speaker 1: saw like in the comments section a lot of like
Speaker 1: q and On evangelists like just putting their ideas down
Speaker 1: there being like actually, like when you look at it
Speaker 1: this way, but like they used the language of the
Speaker 1: ways that people argue online. But it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: just it really is like metastasizing and like, uh, evolving
Speaker 1: into a more effective weapon of disinformation. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean it's born of a form of privilege, like the
Speaker 1: ability to be civically disengaged from your local government because
Speaker 1: you don't think you need to be and then like
Speaker 1: everything is just you and your version of the world.
Speaker 1: And interesting is watching these people like have to collide
Speaker 1: with the rest of the world every so often, did
Speaker 1: you guys see there's a video floating around I think yesterday,
Speaker 1: of a woman being hauled off of a Royal Cribby
Speaker 1: and cruise. She was determined to make viewers believe that
Speaker 1: real Cribbian faked her COVID results, which that she was
Speaker 1: positive for COVID and she's like, I've already had COVID
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, man, he can definitely get COVID again.
Speaker 1: She was like, they're trying to make me get vaccinated.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do anything but get off of
Speaker 1: our ship. You can't be anymore. And it was like
Speaker 1: it's so dramatic. She's like screaming through the ship and
Speaker 1: they eventually like literally had to force her off and
Speaker 1: put her on a plane, like a medical plane. To
Speaker 1: be thinking back to the States and we're seeing this continuously.
Speaker 1: People be like, I'm just not going to get back
Speaker 1: to people. That's fine, but you can't come in here now,
Speaker 1: which I think, on the one hand, is obviously the
Speaker 1: right choice. You can't be spreading this disease. It's literally
Speaker 1: tears people's lungs apart, like it's it's not something you
Speaker 1: can play with. But on the other hand, there's the
Speaker 1: thought of is this going to continue to drive even
Speaker 1: a further wedge between us, you know, like this bar,
Speaker 1: you don't need vaccines, like come in and just free
Speaker 1: spread like they were trying to do early on. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: well do like the chicken pox parties, Like just come
Speaker 1: in here and catch it and it'll be fine. What's
Speaker 1: crazy about this story is that people were still willing
Speaker 1: to get on cruises that like, how are people doing
Speaker 1: cruises after like what happened with the Princess cruise that
Speaker 1: landed in the Bay Area, Like I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: that's something I will never do again, like in my life.
Speaker 1: I also wasn't pro cruise before the pandemics start to say,
Speaker 1: this is just like confirmed my anti cruise sentiments. To
Speaker 1: go back to Jack's theory of like this space being
Speaker 1: the most individualistic. The only positive thing about a cruise
Speaker 1: is an individual's experience of being on that cruise. Because
Speaker 1: the workers aren't getting paid anything, it's creating horrible results
Speaker 1: for the environment, and on top of all of that,
Speaker 1: their cesspools for disease. Like it's such a problem. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why people are going on cruises, especially right
Speaker 1: now either, But you put a hole in that cruise
Speaker 1: ship and suddenly they get very collective minded. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, we started thinking some of these
Speaker 1: cruise ships. That was not the lesson we learned from
Speaker 1: the techanic jet. People did not come together. People together,
Speaker 1: my father. Yeah, bro the movie industry together. As with
Speaker 1: many of the sort of most mind breaking problems that
Speaker 1: we see in the modern world, the engine for a
Speaker 1: lot of this, like I said, is social media Instagram.
Speaker 1: So like in behind the scenes marketing training, these aspiring
Speaker 1: wellness influencers were told that quote being controversial, taking definitive
Speaker 1: positions that make people love you or hate you is
Speaker 1: a great way to build your brand. Wow gosh that
Speaker 1: is And here I am spending ten minutes humming and
Speaker 1: huwing about what I'm going to say as the most
Speaker 1: overrated things so that I'm not too controversial. And oh man,
Speaker 1: I should have attended one of those marketing trainings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to be I want to be upset at
Speaker 1: the advice, but I see it being true. It's true. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: just be as divisive as possible and then just really
Speaker 1: really sick to your guns and the people who enjoy
Speaker 1: you are really to follow you. And then on top
Speaker 1: of that, people who hate you will follow you so
Speaker 1: that they can make sure that you know you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And that's why people are looking at the end results
Speaker 1: of that number. How many people saw this? But you're
Speaker 1: not really looking at content at all. Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of death stating. Yeah, yeah, great society you have there, America.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some good news. So California approved a
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollar guaranteed income program. So, as Joe
Speaker 1: Biden is on the international stage saying communism don't work
Speaker 1: and socialism isn't a good alternative, Jack, California is actually
Speaker 1: implementing a very limited but still pretty groundbreaking state funded
Speaker 1: guaranteed income plan. The payments will be focused on qualifying
Speaker 1: pregnant people and young adults who recently left foster care.
Speaker 1: So it's a very limited, like trial run. But the
Speaker 1: point is that these are these people are just being
Speaker 1: given money to spend it on the things that they
Speaker 1: feel they to spend it on. It's not like means tested,
Speaker 1: it's not like tied to you're going out and getting
Speaker 1: a job and checking out with the pro officer like
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck, you know, it's it's just money given
Speaker 1: to these people. And it passed through the state Congress.
Speaker 1: It was approved thirty six oh and oh and you
Speaker 1: know this article points out that the vote came on
Speaker 1: a day where the expanded child tax credits started hitting
Speaker 1: parents around the country, which is kind of another limited
Speaker 1: form of You know, when you give people money, they
Speaker 1: know what to do with it. You don't have to
Speaker 1: tell them what to do with it. And giving people
Speaker 1: money generally makes their lives better and easier and the
Speaker 1: lives of their community better. Yeah, spend money on products
Speaker 1: hopefully made within your community. You're giving that person a
Speaker 1: chance to invest in their passions. You know, it may
Speaker 1: not yet be profitable, but might down the line. Allowed
Speaker 1: them to be not just independent, but creatively fulfilled, which
Speaker 1: makes them happier, which brings down domestic violence. Like there's
Speaker 1: just it's a sea of change with something so simple
Speaker 1: as a dollar, and it's it's still well to be.
Speaker 1: The people are like this is awful. You don't want
Speaker 1: them to work. It's like there's never in the history
Speaker 1: of the world been people who are just like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna work, I'm not interested in work. Even even
Speaker 1: people who live lives of luxury and have everything they
Speaker 1: need typically find that they want to do something with
Speaker 1: the time that they have here. Maybe it's not you know,
Speaker 1: the most giving or the most responsible thing for them
Speaker 1: to be doing, but people like to work, people like
Speaker 1: to create and involve themselves and activities, and so I
Speaker 1: think it's great, and I think it's particularly great that
Speaker 1: we're starting with kids who age out of adoption or
Speaker 1: or foster families. Those kids have such a difficult time
Speaker 1: getting started, and so to sort of put them first
Speaker 1: and give them opportunities to basically start their lives. Like,
Speaker 1: that's an incredible you know, first round tests, and I
Speaker 1: hope it goes well because California, you know, in the
Speaker 1: middle of a huge housing crisis, specifically here in the
Speaker 1: Lake County specifically coming off with this pandemic, and on
Speaker 1: top of all of that, you know, we just have
Speaker 1: industries here tend to be less sustainable, particularly to new
Speaker 1: commerce to Los Angeles. You know, like if when I
Speaker 1: was peeing, if I could have had a guaranteed income,
Speaker 1: life changing literally life changing, it would have leached so
Speaker 1: much stress. I could have you know, been involved in
Speaker 1: the programs that have allowed me to be further in
Speaker 1: my career. Like there's just so much opportunity and development
Speaker 1: that can happen when you have a little bit of
Speaker 1: money to support you. I think also, you know, this
Speaker 1: would actually help the health care system because if you
Speaker 1: have chronic illnesses, stress is only going to make it
Speaker 1: harder to deal with those illnesses. So stress is actually
Speaker 1: a risk factor for getting sicker, and so you know,
Speaker 1: more and more people would come in with health issues.
Speaker 1: If you reduce stress, you'd actually save the health care
Speaker 1: system money in that way too. So yeah, one thing
Speaker 1: that I saw kind of being bandied about as there's
Speaker 1: a slight uptick in minimum wage, and as like some
Speaker 1: of these more you know, socialists leaning slightly programs come out,
Speaker 1: people are especially on the right, are talking about inflation,
Speaker 1: and I think I think it's worth I feel like
Speaker 1: people don't talk about inflation because it's usually like a
Speaker 1: thing that the right will blame on any policies they're
Speaker 1: slightly left leaning. I think it's something that everybody should
Speaker 1: be aware of that like the world just in in
Speaker 1: the month of June got five percent more expensive to
Speaker 1: live in. It's costs five percent more this month than
Speaker 1: it did last month, too, exists as a person in America.
Speaker 1: That's crazy but like how overall uptick in a lot
Speaker 1: of like staple needs. So the price of gas has
Speaker 1: gone up, I think like a lot. I think he
Speaker 1: said like nationally, and cars got really expensive, so used
Speaker 1: cars got really expensive and they're a big expense, and
Speaker 1: so that like contributed to the uptick. But you know,
Speaker 1: also like food got more expensive, and like it's just
Speaker 1: I feel like the default mainstream conversation around this just
Speaker 1: defaults to the right wing talking points like well, this
Speaker 1: must be because like one company decided to pay more
Speaker 1: minimum wage, and it's actually like, well, how about the
Speaker 1: fact that we are just coming off of a pandemic
Speaker 1: that was like profoundly mismanaged and like put pressure on
Speaker 1: all supply chains and like created a drop and then
Speaker 1: a spike in demand for rs and just like all
Speaker 1: these things that like you could put the point point
Speaker 1: the finger anywhere, but I just feel like it always
Speaker 1: comes back to because it's America. They they're just as
Speaker 1: this inherent like knee jerk anti social safety net bias
Speaker 1: that we always do. It's wild huble to blame that
Speaker 1: on someone raising their minimum wage what and to not
Speaker 1: take a look at like what CEOs of the company
Speaker 1: are making and just completely dismiss the idea that that
Speaker 1: maybe if those guys made a little less and pay
Speaker 1: their employees a little bit more, but this would not
Speaker 1: there would be a zero some impact overall, Like it's
Speaker 1: this is not it's I don't know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: pay people what they're worth. It's so expensive to just
Speaker 1: be alive. It's so much money just to be alive.
Speaker 1: And then to constantly deny workers that on very arbitrary
Speaker 1: things like oh well that job isn't complicated enough for
Speaker 1: you to make enough money to live. Shame on you,
Speaker 1: Like wild mm hmmm, alright, let's take one more break
Speaker 1: and we will be right back, and we're back, and
Speaker 1: you know, just something we're keeping our eye on obviously,
Speaker 1: and you know, sending out thoughts to the people of
Speaker 1: Western Europe right now, there's just pretty mind breaking pictures
Speaker 1: coming out of just these old like European villages that
Speaker 1: have been there for hundreds of years, that are just
Speaker 1: like entire chunks of them are being washed away by
Speaker 1: this unprecedented flooding. This is one of the times where
Speaker 1: meteorologists are just like, oh, yeah, no, it's climate change,
Speaker 1: Like it's for for sure, climate change because and this
Speaker 1: this is also an example of just one of those
Speaker 1: like small things that changes in one part of the
Speaker 1: world and and has a devastating impact elsewhere. Apparently because
Speaker 1: of the jet stream, like a change in temperature in
Speaker 1: the ocean basically has caused a bunch of storms inland
Speaker 1: in Western Europe that would normally happen out over the ocean,
Speaker 1: and that's what is causing just entire chunks of Western
Speaker 1: Europe to just be washed away, and you know, hundreds
Speaker 1: of people to die and probably eventually thousands. So it's
Speaker 1: probably something we're gonna be seeing more and more of, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: but we we will see how they react to this
Speaker 1: in Europe. I think there's an election coming up in
Speaker 1: Germany where a lot of this is happening, and people
Speaker 1: are pointing out that, like climate hasn't even been a
Speaker 1: subject that people talked about in this election, so maybe
Speaker 1: that will change. All right, let's talk about some bullshit,
Speaker 1: and not in a disparaging term, Joel. I know you
Speaker 1: are here to send the Marvel cinematic universe, because you know,
Speaker 1: we we were a little bit dismissive, so a little
Speaker 1: bit a little I listening together yesterday's episode, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, wow, guys, Wow, So first of all,
Speaker 1: none of y'all launched it, so why talk about it?
Speaker 1: But too, I know you think Moki has like at
Speaker 1: first of all, I just wanted to talk abat before
Speaker 1: we begin in here. Uh, that's not in defense of
Speaker 1: the Disney Corporation at all. It's Disney. They're massive, they
Speaker 1: do what they do. I have no control over that,
Speaker 1: and I understand why some people have issues with Disney.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. It's not what we're
Speaker 1: talking about here, talking very specifically about my love for
Speaker 1: comic books and the incredible range of what has happened
Speaker 1: from picking up like monthly comic book series and following
Speaker 1: them for literally years. It's comics will sometimes number in
Speaker 1: these seven hundreds, so that means your granddaddy could be
Speaker 1: reading the same storyline that you are currently picking up on.
Speaker 1: I think the way comic books have formed as an
Speaker 1: American art form is up there with jazz as far
Speaker 1: as being like this is strictly American and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It says a lot about who we are as a community,
Speaker 1: both the good and the bad, and these heroes we've created.
Speaker 1: Are literally our Greek gods are ancient myths come to
Speaker 1: life and and absolutely set a tone for what again
Speaker 1: we as a society, maybe not as individuals vi as
Speaker 1: the ideal human. And again there's a lot to critique
Speaker 1: in there. What does that mean when all of our humans,
Speaker 1: like all of our aspirations are hyperfit fish first discussions
Speaker 1: later kind of individuals. And you can absolutely break all
Speaker 1: of that down. But there's something just from an artistic
Speaker 1: standpoint that is absolutely mind boggling of how they took
Speaker 1: what was, you know, a thirty page book and took it,
Speaker 1: you know, a thirty page book monthly and brought it
Speaker 1: to the screen and do it almost every three to
Speaker 1: six months, and a continued storyline that you can choose
Speaker 1: to be invested it in, but light comic books you
Speaker 1: can also just jump in and enjoy as a singular unit.
Speaker 1: One of the show was like the most watched show
Speaker 1: in America. Statistics aside things are kind of crazy. You
Speaker 1: can look at just an A plus is uh stats
Speaker 1: in all of streaming. They're still pretty low. But they
Speaker 1: just launched last year, so I think that those sort
Speaker 1: of discussions need time to sort of flush out. Netflix
Speaker 1: says like a fifteen year gain on them. But what
Speaker 1: they've done in creating specifically these shows during the pandemic
Speaker 1: and and glimpsing these like side characters, positioning them as
Speaker 1: so like feature characters, broadening their stories gives viewers like
Speaker 1: me who've seen every part of the MTU like this
Speaker 1: rich tome of cinematic glory. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: they're hiring a ton of women to make these shows,
Speaker 1: and not just in four ground roles. You know, they
Speaker 1: brought in Lady Loki for this news series. You know,
Speaker 1: Wanda was Got. You know, that's the very first streaming
Speaker 1: show they created and it was a woman, And I
Speaker 1: think that was sort of a rough decision for a
Speaker 1: company that took forever to bring a black widow movie
Speaker 1: to the screen. But they're also doing it as directors,
Speaker 1: show runners, composers, like women are really dominating and actively
Speaker 1: involved in creating this universe. And that to me, as
Speaker 1: a woman who really invested in film and television and creation,
Speaker 1: know who knows and his friends with a lot of
Speaker 1: women either in it or struggling to get in, struggling
Speaker 1: to stay in, it's really really important from a company
Speaker 1: that is absolutely monopolizing this industry. It's really vital that
Speaker 1: while they're in this position, that they're offering roles to
Speaker 1: a lot of different people, you know, because otherwise we're
Speaker 1: just gonna be out of it period. And on top
Speaker 1: of all of that, Lookie is just really good. It's
Speaker 1: just really good. Like take all of the politics and
Speaker 1: and and I don't know, theory and everything like Loki
Speaker 1: and the television show is just solid writing. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, solid performances from actors who've been in
Speaker 1: the game for a very long time. One Masaku, who
Speaker 1: if you watched Lovecraft Country, she was in that. She's
Speaker 1: sort of been everywhere. She's I don't have words to
Speaker 1: describe the talent that this woman brings to the screen,
Speaker 1: but she is a down performer. And watching her throughout
Speaker 1: this series and knowing that she might come back for
Speaker 1: bigger and better things is it's so thrilling. And then
Speaker 1: you get Lookie. It's like an entire series about what
Speaker 1: is it to find self love? And as we talked
Speaker 1: about individualism throughout this entire episode, Lukey is an admitted narcissist.
Speaker 1: This is the essence of the character pre his marvel entrance.
Speaker 1: You know, this is an self obsessed guy who likes
Speaker 1: playing tricks on people, and he's blossomed into this guy
Speaker 1: who's questioning his entire existence and what it's for. They
Speaker 1: get into philosophy in theory of religion, they start questioning,
Speaker 1: you know, who created you? And what does that mean?
Speaker 1: And are you stuck on the path that you know
Speaker 1: someone else is laid for you or can you vir
Speaker 1: off of that? And if you do vir off of that,
Speaker 1: what is that? Like? It is so complex and fun
Speaker 1: and like just everything everything, everything, someone is who's just
Speaker 1: inside of herself, a nerdy comic book kid who would
Speaker 1: rather be reading comics on the floor of her bedroom
Speaker 1: than doing anything else. To see a blossom into this,
Speaker 1: it's just been transformative and I do get you know,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned already, I'm a little bit emotional as
Speaker 1: a human being. You know. Some people are just like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not art and it's not good and oh my god,
Speaker 1: it is Tobey Maguire coming back, so full it listen.
Speaker 1: Maguire is not confirmed. We don't know if he's coming back.
Speaker 1: It's very much a possibility because there are many spider
Speaker 1: men across many different universes and we know that the
Speaker 1: multiverse action is coming, so maybe he's coming, maybe he's not.
Speaker 1: We don't know. But I think it's so much bigger
Speaker 1: than all of that. I think it's it's just an
Speaker 1: entire community of creators has moved into another community and
Speaker 1: succeeded and done it so well and so beautifully. And
Speaker 1: I have to sometimes just stand back away from everything
Speaker 1: and just marvel everything that's across this timeline. That's my field, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, yeah, yeah, I like Marvel. Have not seen
Speaker 1: Loki yet, but planning on doing so. And you're right, Joel, like,
Speaker 1: it's this whole different world that you can enter and
Speaker 1: the lessons that you can learn. I mean when I
Speaker 1: saw wand Division, I was so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a story about holding your pain, this is
Speaker 1: a story about recovering from grief, and it was so
Speaker 1: it was like I did not expect it to be
Speaker 1: that profound in that aspect, but that, to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: how can you not call this art well? And then
Speaker 1: through the lens of what I've JUMBD is like depression TV,
Speaker 1: which is the shows you like that shows you think
Speaker 1: into when you're like, I don't really want to think
Speaker 1: too much, and I want to know what happens to
Speaker 1: the end, so there's no scary bad surprises. That's what
Speaker 1: this thing come is. And and so took us through
Speaker 1: that lens and and again through the scope of like
Speaker 1: how Americans viewed themselves throughout each decade, and then using
Speaker 1: that as a template for how we evolve through our
Speaker 1: Greek like it's so good that, yeah, it is brilliant,
Speaker 1: it's so true. Yeah, I've enjoyed, you know, the m
Speaker 1: CU world and and yeah, no, I'm totally like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Joel Preach, you are pre Someone in Variety said, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes Marvel has a challenge being more than the sum
Speaker 1: of its parts. And by that they mean at the
Speaker 1: end of each Marvel property, whether it's a film or
Speaker 1: television show or whatever, even in the comic books, you
Speaker 1: have to set up for the next thing because it
Speaker 1: is ongoing. The end is not the goal. It's always
Speaker 1: about pushing onto the next storyline. And so to that point, like,
Speaker 1: as much as I love One Division, there's absolutely really
Speaker 1: good critique about the way that show ends, And like
Speaker 1: you basically mind kidnaps people for months at a time,
Speaker 1: and all they did was look at you me and
Speaker 1: she's like, wow, that's really awful and then escaped. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: not a lot for consequences, but again the joint in
Speaker 1: having something that's that ongoing, and it almost almost feels
Speaker 1: like the origins of oral storytelling, right if you look
Speaker 1: at old societies, before we're writing things down, we were
Speaker 1: constantly telling and retelling the stories. And that's all to
Speaker 1: me anyway, that comic book characters have sort of become
Speaker 1: America's oral storytelling, this idea of gonna keep reusing these
Speaker 1: same superheroes to analyze where we are as a culture
Speaker 1: in this moment. And I also know that because these
Speaker 1: stories are constantly evolving, no character fully escapes the flaws
Speaker 1: that occurred in their previous mentioned Right, you can rewrite
Speaker 1: in in a form in a later iteration, you can
Speaker 1: rewrite what has happened. You can, and by rewrite it,
Speaker 1: I mean you can actually give consequences. You can explain
Speaker 1: away things that don't quite make sense. Star Wars did
Speaker 1: this really well with like why were Stormtrooper a shot?
Speaker 1: They have all this armor on and get shot, just
Speaker 1: fall down and it's like it didn't go through, It's
Speaker 1: just a blast pattern on your armor. It's not making
Speaker 1: sense to me, right, So they were like, well, when
Speaker 1: the Empire took over the Clones and started kidnapping children
Speaker 1: to become soldiers, you know, they didn't put as much
Speaker 1: money and thought into the armor, and so now they
Speaker 1: just go down. It's just it's cheap because the Empire
Speaker 1: doesn't care about people. They're replaceable. Well, now it all
Speaker 1: makes sense and I lost the old versions and still
Speaker 1: love it. And that's what I love about fandom. Like
Speaker 1: to me, I just I'm so enamored with fandom, groups
Speaker 1: of people coming together to try to tell stories. It
Speaker 1: expands beyond what is cannon and goes into you know,
Speaker 1: fan fiction goes into things that have been retired that
Speaker 1: people individually have not let go and then rebirth. It's
Speaker 1: just and to me, it's the core essence of what
Speaker 1: makes storytelling so good and lovely and fun and full
Speaker 1: of like escape. And as much as I think it's
Speaker 1: important that we be present and active and and try
Speaker 1: to make our world in our neighborhoods better, I also
Speaker 1: understand the absolute essential necessity of escape. And to me,
Speaker 1: Marvel is one of the greatest escapes. Like I love
Speaker 1: sinking away into a good Marvel piece. I love that
Speaker 1: weekly like going into my comic book store and having
Speaker 1: waited four weeks for the new issue to come out.
Speaker 1: I can see a new episode of Loki and be
Speaker 1: like blown away by what all the people have put
Speaker 1: into this show and made. I just think, I just
Speaker 1: think it's really beautiful. I mean he's said that. Myles,
Speaker 1: who I love, was like, no, they just want the
Speaker 1: chore back and makes no sense. Yeah, this is much
Speaker 1: more in keeping with the philosophy of the show than
Speaker 1: our conversation at the end of last week when we're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I haven't seen a dude of you,
Speaker 1: all right, well whatever, yeah, no, everything, Like these characters
Speaker 1: are hugely important archetypes in like probably as important as
Speaker 1: like our presidents. Like everything you need to know about
Speaker 1: American conservatism you can learn from Batman. Like there's there's
Speaker 1: a reason we keep returning to the same characters over
Speaker 1: and over and the people who keep returning to them
Speaker 1: over and over keep making so much fucking money off
Speaker 1: of it. Is because they occupy a very central role
Speaker 1: in like the collective consciousness of of the country. So
Speaker 1: they're important. It's important to think about them. I do
Speaker 1: wanna just briefly get to another I think important archetype
Speaker 1: in the collective unconscious, which is monsters and the monsters
Speaker 1: that we're into because so Luca, the Pixar movie was
Speaker 1: seen by the equivalent of a hundred and sixty million
Speaker 1: dollars worth of box office of eyeballs on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: So that's one that will be streaming in the coming
Speaker 1: months and you know, evaluating how it relates to the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: But I finally watched the last kind of streaming movie
Speaker 1: to be watched by that many people, which was Army
Speaker 1: of the Dead on Netflix, which is a Zack Snyder
Speaker 1: zombie movie, which is has a lot of like zombie cliche,
Speaker 1: is a lot of cool zombie deaths, a lot of
Speaker 1: rotting flesh, and then they put it all on the
Speaker 1: skeleton of a heist movie, which makes it fun. A
Speaker 1: Vegas heist movie. You know, you it gives you everything
Speaker 1: you expect like from a Zack Snyder movie, secondhand embarrassment.
Speaker 1: The movie climaxes with the Cranberry song zombie uh played
Speaker 1: like Ernest as Buck. But I I think zombie so zombies.
Speaker 1: We we've talked before. There's a cultural theory that zombies
Speaker 1: represent like how liberal Americans view Republicans as like this
Speaker 1: sort of mindless, droning hoard of like crowds that are
Speaker 1: coming for you, and I I think there's some truth
Speaker 1: to that. I think that this movie kind of makes
Speaker 1: sense of that. And it also like, you know, we've
Speaker 1: had the zombie movies in malls which are like sort
Speaker 1: of the ultimate symbol of or where the ultimate symbol
Speaker 1: of consumerism, and Vegas is a pretty get symbol of
Speaker 1: consumerism too. Wow. Yeah, but I do feel like zombies
Speaker 1: are going to like now that we've had the January
Speaker 1: six failed insurrection and like just seeing the violence and
Speaker 1: havoc that conservative masses can cause. I do feel like
Speaker 1: we probably have a zombie movies have a bright future
Speaker 1: in in the country. That's so interesting, Jack's I was
Speaker 1: thinking almost the exact opposite, not because of you know,
Speaker 1: from a political standpoint, they make it like a really
Speaker 1: good symbol I mean truly throughout the history of cinema,
Speaker 1: but because we're straight coming out of the pandemic and
Speaker 1: I wonder how we're going to want to or if
Speaker 1: we'll want to explore the spread of disease in that way.
Speaker 1: You know, there if we look at like post nineteen
Speaker 1: twenties Spanish flu era, all art that comes out after that,
Speaker 1: it's like far away, removed from anything. Don't talk about
Speaker 1: it passed, too many people died, were too scarred. Leave
Speaker 1: it alone. So I don't know. We we've already seen
Speaker 1: a couple of people during the pandemic trying to make
Speaker 1: movies about the pandemic that happenedly gone well, uh, not
Speaker 1: of time to process what was happening. So but I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that we're going to want to and
Speaker 1: and given the recent success of shows like ted Lasso,
Speaker 1: really lean hard into like positive, upbeat sort of things.
Speaker 1: At least my guess of what studios will be wanting
Speaker 1: to purchase. Maybe on the indie circuit will have a
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies era movement of independent people thing no, this
Speaker 1: is the truth and you need to hear it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And here's great movies, which would be great. I would
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Yeah, how does it feel when you
Speaker 1: have you when you guys watch shows that reference the pandemic?
Speaker 1: How does this sit with you? Usually pandering sort of
Speaker 1: it's how I feel like, I'm like, oh, it's really
Speaker 1: so sad what we're going through, and it's awful. It's
Speaker 1: so hard, but like love is there, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: be all right. This temporary uh seems to be the
Speaker 1: same message from everybody, as opposed to sort of how
Speaker 1: I've experienced pandemic, which was either I mean I don't
Speaker 1: live alone, but still very isolated from the rest of
Speaker 1: the world, and or like horrified at the lack of
Speaker 1: control I have with how bad things are being handled
Speaker 1: around me. You know, you're literally locked into your box
Speaker 1: watching everyone make horrifying decisions, you know, watching people who
Speaker 1: are really enjoyed our company, like go to vineyards and stuff,
Speaker 1: and like, what are you doing? It is June. You
Speaker 1: should be in the house, for sure. We're still watching groceries.
Speaker 1: Like this is very scary, please come home. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: definitely don't feel like anyone has had anything artistic or
Speaker 1: interesting to reveal about what we lift through. The best
Speaker 1: thing I've read about this pandemic is like a book
Speaker 1: from the I think is like the fifties Camus. I
Speaker 1: think it's called The Plague, But I read that in
Speaker 1: the early days and like that felt like it was
Speaker 1: very poignant and very Uh. Didn't feel like shitty, like
Speaker 1: the way that like people trying to talk about this
Speaker 1: current pandemic feels where it's you know, because it's about
Speaker 1: a different thing, because it's about a different plague, but
Speaker 1: it's still like covering a lot of the same stuff
Speaker 1: Army of the Dead, like even though it had some
Speaker 1: of those things like one of So there's a camp
Speaker 1: of people who are basically migrants from like fleeing Vegas,
Speaker 1: and they're like held and tested with a temperature gun frequently,
Speaker 1: and like that's a I think a reference to, you know,
Speaker 1: the temperature guns that we all got familiar with during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. But it never really like felt like it
Speaker 1: was overtly like trying to comment on the pandemic in
Speaker 1: any way, which I think was good. Like we've had
Speaker 1: zombie movies for long before. And as far as I know,
Speaker 1: you don't pass COVID nineteen by biting someone on the arm,
Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't say for sure. Hmm, how
Speaker 1: about you do you have you like has that bothered
Speaker 1: you at all? Yeah, it kind of has. I remember
Speaker 1: I was watching an episode of Grey's Anatomy, and I
Speaker 1: usually full disclosure, I usually do not watch Grey's Anatomy
Speaker 1: because it hits too close to home and I over
Speaker 1: analyze things. But a friend of mine reached out to
Speaker 1: me it was like, you need to watch this one
Speaker 1: specific episode from season blah blah blah, like I need
Speaker 1: and anyways, they it's like, yeah, they they make the episode.
Speaker 1: So it's like, these are people living in the pandemic
Speaker 1: and da da da da, and I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was kind of like, come on, like I don't, like
Speaker 1: I want to not I'm watching this because I don't
Speaker 1: want to, like I'm trying to escape, right, So it's
Speaker 1: like you're bringing it back in. It's like, I know,
Speaker 1: the pandemic has like shown very clearly, like the disparities
Speaker 1: in our social structures and health care outcomes and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. But yeah, it's just sort of like I
Speaker 1: could feel my body kind and tightening a little bit
Speaker 1: because I was just it was like, yeah, a reminder
Speaker 1: of the reality. But I mean, you know, maybe that,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's not the worst thing in the world,
Speaker 1: that we're being reminded of our reality, but that's not
Speaker 1: usually why I turn on Netflix, you know, right, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I also feel like the commercials from early in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: There's like this now more than ever aesthetic that I
Speaker 1: just like can't that's true. I can't help but like
Speaker 1: associate any pandemic based thing with anyways, Yeah, Army of
Speaker 1: the Dead five stars worth watching. It sounds like low
Speaker 1: key five stars worth watching, all these things worth watching. Well, Prianka,
Speaker 1: it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, it's it's been a it's been a blast.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Where can people
Speaker 1: find you and follow you? And? Yeah? Yeah, so um,
Speaker 1: I actually I am co host of my own podcast.
Speaker 1: It's called Hypochondriactor. It's with me and Sean Hayes, and
Speaker 1: every week we interview a celebrity with a medical illness.
Speaker 1: So we just interviewed Dex Shepherd for this week, and
Speaker 1: so you can find me on that. I'm also on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Wallyprianca and Instagram and Facebook and all the
Speaker 1: all those social media feeds that are making the world
Speaker 1: a better place. There you go, and is there a
Speaker 1: tweet or some of the work of social media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying. Yeah, actually I found this tweet that is
Speaker 1: from Aimes the Tang and he says, my mom said,
Speaker 1: we should speak tie in public so we don't get
Speaker 1: targeted for speaking Mandarin. And I think it's so sweet
Speaker 1: that she's nice enough to believe that these stupid, fucking
Speaker 1: racists can differentiate between Asian languages. Idealist Joel, where can
Speaker 1: people find you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: You guys know me. I'm Joel Monique. You can find
Speaker 1: me all over the internet. Ageal Monique. That's j O
Speaker 1: E l E m O n I q u E.
Speaker 1: A tweet I've been enjoying comes from Franklin Leonard. If
Speaker 1: you don't know him, he started the Blacklist, which is
Speaker 1: a bunch of screens plays that couldn't be produced. Uh
Speaker 1: he featured them and now every year one of them
Speaker 1: wins an Academy Award. It's incredible. Uh So his tweet
Speaker 1: goes like this, surprise, when you asked me for names
Speaker 1: of black writers to partner with a senior white screenwriter
Speaker 1: to tell a black story, I'm going to suggest that
Speaker 1: the white screenwriters step aside and do everything in their
Speaker 1: power to make sure that the black writer succeeds and
Speaker 1: get so low credit. This is a man walking his
Speaker 1: walk and talking his talk and actively using his power
Speaker 1: to put people who are just in franchise, who would
Speaker 1: often then be asked like, oh, help me with the
Speaker 1: script and then get no credit. That means your name
Speaker 1: is not on the awards when they get announced. It
Speaker 1: means when you go into interview for the next writing job,
Speaker 1: they're gonna ask you what he did, and basically all
Speaker 1: you can say is I punched it up, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna consider that not having written the script at all.
Speaker 1: It is horrible to constantly ask people of color to
Speaker 1: come in and support your projects because you want to
Speaker 1: make sure that you're not being offensive. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Just give them the money and tell them to go
Speaker 1: write the story. Is that easy. You are probably still
Speaker 1: going to get a producer credit and still make your money.
Speaker 1: Everyone could be making money. Don't be greedy, and don't
Speaker 1: take black people's perspectives just because you know it's popular
Speaker 1: right now. It's dumb and annoying. The power to Franklin
Speaker 1: Leonard for for being that person and making the change
Speaker 1: he wants to see. One of the greats. Former guests
Speaker 1: on Daily's I guess tweet I've been enjoying at brow
Speaker 1: tweeting tweeted Bear robbing a bank, stick him up, Teller
Speaker 1: raised his hands, Bear nervous, how did you get so big? Uh?
Speaker 1: And then Iris at just Underscore Iris tweeted, I was
Speaker 1: today years old when I realized rumba is an anagram
Speaker 1: of a broom and that just just blew my mind.
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