Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments
Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment
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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. We are thrilled Miles fortunate, blessed to
Speaker 1: be joined by one of the funniest stand up comics
Speaker 1: in the world or Comedy Central presents of the classic Uh.
Speaker 1: She was voted Portland's Funniest comic multiple times. You know
Speaker 1: her from Last Company Standing, her own podcast, Who's Your God?
Speaker 1: And you can see her live again check her website
Speaker 1: for Dave. Please welcome Amy Miller wife and it's my
Speaker 1: birth Here's what I want? Hey, guys, what do you
Speaker 1: want for your birthday? You have a good What's your birthday?
Speaker 1: December thirty one, New Year's Eve? Baby? So this one?
Speaker 1: Did you have a kind of birthday this time or
Speaker 1: you think this is this next year? No? Well I
Speaker 1: had it was my forty birthday this last one. And
Speaker 1: my friends made me accounting Crows video. I mean a
Speaker 1: bunch of my friends sang long December and cut it
Speaker 1: together and I watched I was alone in a hotel room,
Speaker 1: but I had a zoom party. It was weird but fun.
Speaker 1: You know, it's something I'm never going to forget for sure.
Speaker 1: Did anybody have Adam Durwitz dreads in the video? Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: one person did, and I think it was probably not
Speaker 1: okay because it was a white man. He did like
Speaker 1: he like, he didn't wear them, you know, he did
Speaker 1: it with a computer. But then they were you're imitating
Speaker 1: of the problematic Adam Derwitz. You're honoring the source material.
Speaker 1: Unless he was like, no, I mean I've been growing.
Speaker 1: You say. They tried to contact him many times because
Speaker 1: for a birthday message or to be in the video,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're all from the East Bay, so
Speaker 1: like they did have connections they could call in. And
Speaker 1: then he didn't respond. And then someone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's on cameo, so we can just pay him bucks,
Speaker 1: and so he made a cameo fort and he said,
Speaker 1: please stop having your friends contact my dad. I didn't
Speaker 1: know about any of it. That's amazing. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a weird birthday. But is it just because you guys
Speaker 1: share kind of area of origin or are you a
Speaker 1: big can of crows? Yes? I am a pretty big
Speaker 1: crow head um. Also, it was just it was just
Speaker 1: funny because yeah, we're all from like we all met
Speaker 1: in Berkeley where he's from, and you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's long December. It's a classic about number and how
Speaker 1: things are going to be better next year. Like it was,
Speaker 1: it was just amazing. I'll send you the video. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be blown away by the effort. I mean I
Speaker 1: felt very loved, that's for sure. So you are the
Speaker 1: opposite of the baby like those first baby born, like
Speaker 1: you are the last baby born. Yeah. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: born at like six am, so I don't think my
Speaker 1: mom could have waited until the new year. Where are
Speaker 1: your headlines? You know where the headlines for the six
Speaker 1: am on December thirty one babies? I know, I think
Speaker 1: the headline should be that my mom lived in the
Speaker 1: East Bay and got a doctor in San Francisco, so
Speaker 1: I was officially born in San Francisco. Why would you do?
Speaker 1: Why would you plan to cross the bridge when you're
Speaker 1: in labor, That's what I don't understand. What if there's traffic,
Speaker 1: I won't even say it. Yeah, if I had been
Speaker 1: born two hours later, you know, I would have been
Speaker 1: born on the bridge that would be very tight, and
Speaker 1: then they're singing a different song for you East Bay Band. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are? Well? I have one from last night,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to blame this on being in this
Speaker 1: like very strict quarantine where I'm bored. But this is
Speaker 1: something you could find in my search history on any
Speaker 1: given night, which is I recently did search Roddy Piper,
Speaker 1: Greg the Hammer, Valentine dog collar match, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to watch that dog collar match from and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find a full video of the dog collar match. I
Speaker 1: didn't search to your because I actually found an oral
Speaker 1: history of the three Greg Hammer, Greg the Hammer, Valentine
Speaker 1: and Roddy Piper dog color match. So I did spend
Speaker 1: the chunk of last night reading an oral history of
Speaker 1: a very bloody wrestling match from three. I don't stand
Speaker 1: by that. What what is a dog color match for
Speaker 1: our listeners who are uninitiated all color match? I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a thing that pre existed these guys,
Speaker 1: but they would do this match where they both put
Speaker 1: a leather collar around their neck and then they were
Speaker 1: connected neck to neck via these chains. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: had these brutally violent they wrapped their fists in the
Speaker 1: chains and they dragged each other across the ring by
Speaker 1: the chain and really like bloody brutal match. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was reading last night, I didn't realize there's this
Speaker 1: famous one from and then I didn't realize it was
Speaker 1: so popular. They had to go around the country and
Speaker 1: do like all the different territories and they wound oh
Speaker 1: my match forty times that year, and they both talked
Speaker 1: to like talking about how like I think Roddy pipers
Speaker 1: ear was torn in half and they both had like
Speaker 1: semi permanent hearing loss from it by the end, like
Speaker 1: all this, oh, this insanity that these wrestlers put us
Speaker 1: through back then, you think back in those days two
Speaker 1: when you're like this was not like this is like
Speaker 1: pre Hogan becoming like pop cults are superstar. This was
Speaker 1: for them, Like, all right, I guess we gotta go
Speaker 1: like entertain the southern half of Louisiana by ripping our
Speaker 1: ears off. Tonight. Next week, I guess we'll be up
Speaker 1: in Almaha ripping our other ear off. Maybe only wrap
Speaker 1: the chain like three times around my face this time
Speaker 1: before you rip it off. Yeah, can you maybe take
Speaker 1: out my teeth? My ears are still healing for my teeth.
Speaker 1: The photos look pretty erotic, though when you look at
Speaker 1: the still images, you're like, WHOA, Okay, I see what's
Speaker 1: going on here. Ww it is pro wrestling. There's there's
Speaker 1: always going to be some homoraticism inheriting. Some fans might
Speaker 1: not like to admit that, but let's call it what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I feel like wrestling back then was
Speaker 1: closer to the like being a carny or like in
Speaker 1: the circus, I guess would be the closer thing where
Speaker 1: you came to town, people came and saw you. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't on T N T like that
Speaker 1: blew my mind when I realized that they also did
Speaker 1: shows that weren't televised, because I went to one and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, where are the cameras. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this isn't this is an exhibition? And I was like,
Speaker 1: what they do this all the time, like almost killed themselves. Cool.
Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated to back in those days when it
Speaker 1: was the territories. Like John Darnelle from The Mountain Goats
Speaker 1: has this famous stray. I love where he grew up
Speaker 1: in southern California and hated Roddy Piper. Roddy Piper was
Speaker 1: like the biggest asshole, the enemy of the Guerrero family.
Speaker 1: And then he went to visit his dad up in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 1: and he took him to wrestling matches and they introduced
Speaker 1: Rowdie Piper and John was ready to like boo his
Speaker 1: head off, and everybody started cheering because in Portland they
Speaker 1: were just running a different storyline. But because there was
Speaker 1: no national TV, it was like, you can be like
Speaker 1: actually causing riots in l A through your like bad
Speaker 1: guy hee'll anti Mexican rants, and then up in Portland
Speaker 1: you are like a beloved hero pillar of the community.
Speaker 1: They love you. It's not even that far away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might not have had to change the storyline that much,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, you you are somebody who I've always
Speaker 1: been interested to hear talk about kind of regionalisms. I
Speaker 1: think it was on Beautiful Anonymous you talked about like
Speaker 1: just weird New Jersey early on that that always got
Speaker 1: me fascinated. That site is pretty pretty incredible. I worked
Speaker 1: for them for anyone who know. That's a magazine about
Speaker 1: sort of like ghosts and local Legends and Jersey. I
Speaker 1: worked for them for four or five years in my
Speaker 1: my early twenties, and it's the best job I will
Speaker 1: ever have. It. It's called Weird New Jersey. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it started out as a fanzine and it just
Speaker 1: kind of kept getting more and more call to access
Speaker 1: in Jersey and then it eventually a lot of people.
Speaker 1: If you've been to like a Bars and Noble, you
Speaker 1: may know that. Like I wound up writing a book
Speaker 1: called Weird New York, and then they did Weird Us
Speaker 1: and then all these different states. It became this like
Speaker 1: coffee table book series. But the beating heart of it
Speaker 1: has always been this kind of underground fanzine in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: And it was very, very lucky to find it when
Speaker 1: I did, and I encountered some situations that were truly
Speaker 1: foolish and terrifying, and I can't believe it was a gig.
Speaker 1: And yeah, sort of helped me realize like going on
Speaker 1: to be an entertainment. I always felt like it was
Speaker 1: one of these things that gave me a little bit
Speaker 1: of an advantage where I was like, there's all these
Speaker 1: rules here, but I also know that you might be
Speaker 1: able to like make a healthy living off of a
Speaker 1: fancyne about New Jersey based ghosts whatever, felt a total
Speaker 1: need to like buy in on the system side of
Speaker 1: they're a big part of why. And I do think
Speaker 1: there's something about New Jersey that's like a click up
Speaker 1: in terms of just weirdness. I don't know, maybe through
Speaker 1: your research into New York he found that wasn't true,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, my family has a story that my
Speaker 1: grandma and my aunt when my aunt was a child,
Speaker 1: broke down on the I think it was a Jersey turnpike.
Speaker 1: It might have been like another highway around there, like
Speaker 1: by the pine barrens, and a guy just came out
Speaker 1: of the pines with a hammer and was attacking the
Speaker 1: car and they had to like run their back. Then
Speaker 1: like the way you called for help was there was
Speaker 1: like a phone every like quarter mile, yeah, call box,
Speaker 1: And so they were like running back and forth to
Speaker 1: the call box while this guy kept running out of
Speaker 1: the pines with a hammer, just like covered in mud,
Speaker 1: trying to attack their car. Classic Piney's. They there's they
Speaker 1: called them Piney's, the people who kind of lived within
Speaker 1: the pine barons and do their own thing. And my
Speaker 1: friend Group I said, he was not there this particularly,
Speaker 1: but my friend group has this story from high school
Speaker 1: that we all still say this phrase to each other
Speaker 1: where they were going to see some punk show in
Speaker 1: a place called Brown's Mills, New Jersey, which is we
Speaker 1: were North Jersey kids, the Pine Barons. That was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like trying to go to more door to us,
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense of no GPS back then. They
Speaker 1: got super lost and they pulled into this shady looking
Speaker 1: gas station that looked like it was off a movie
Speaker 1: set in the middle of the pine barrens, and this
Speaker 1: guy comes out and they just go, hey, can you
Speaker 1: help us out? Like how do you get to Brown's Mills?
Speaker 1: And the guy just took a deep breath and turned
Speaker 1: and just turned to them and inexplicit the way, how
Speaker 1: do you get to Brown's Mills? And they just like
Speaker 1: hip the gas and peeled out got out of there
Speaker 1: like this South Jersey. I'm was that to see still
Speaker 1: certain friends in my life where if I want to
Speaker 1: make him laugh, I just how do you get to
Speaker 1: Brown's Mills? What is something you guys think is overrated?
Speaker 1: This is actually what we were prepared for this question ship.
Speaker 1: I did have one actually thought about last night. I
Speaker 1: did not tell you though, Oh damn. But hopefully you
Speaker 1: agree with this. Okay, picnics because is I mean every
Speaker 1: time I eat outside, I think you usually there's a
Speaker 1: lot of bees. M I should have talked to Anna
Speaker 1: about this one. I'm what you're hearing is that I'm
Speaker 1: captivated and I'm enamored constantly, and I'm constantly impressed by you,
Speaker 1: and so this kind of goes into that because I
Speaker 1: hear you, and even though I haven't heard you say
Speaker 1: these words before I go, I'm right there with her, right,
Speaker 1: I am right there. That's why this word overrated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's ants, Because there's ants and there's bees, and
Speaker 1: it's just I don't I think it's hard to eat
Speaker 1: comfortably outside. Can I even add? Yes? Dining alfresco. I
Speaker 1: know it's a it's a it's a necessary evil at
Speaker 1: this point, and I know some people are like, look,
Speaker 1: it's like Portugal or whatever. I don't like when people
Speaker 1: walk by and look at my food. I feel too exposed.
Speaker 1: Don't look at my food. It's private. Okay, I wish
Speaker 1: I could. I don't like dining al fresco. I don't
Speaker 1: like a picnic. I just don't like eating outside. Can
Speaker 1: you okay, can you bear eating outside if it were
Speaker 1: a place that isn't like a high trafficked foot area,
Speaker 1: like it's just a section that is dining outside. But
Speaker 1: I get because like I was eating outside for the
Speaker 1: first time recently, and it was like one of those
Speaker 1: sidewalk adjacent things, and you're like, man, like this person
Speaker 1: on the fucking bird scooter almost knocked over the fucking
Speaker 1: water station. It was like a nightmare exactly. I don't
Speaker 1: like that level of like scrutiny from it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: up for discuss I don't need even a facial opinion.
Speaker 1: You know what it really for me? This comes from
Speaker 1: I'll say a trauma. I never thrown that were trauma
Speaker 1: around a lot nowadays. But I was eating in San
Speaker 1: Francisco Fisherman's Wharf. Already, huge mistake. I'm eating a lobster
Speaker 1: bisk i. Took a chance on a soup that I
Speaker 1: wasn't previously acquainted with. The soup it's a bread bull.
Speaker 1: But I'll be very honest with everybody here, the soup
Speaker 1: was green. It was a green lobster bisk It's not
Speaker 1: your average looking bisk i. Understand. But people were walking
Speaker 1: by and really looking into my soup in a way
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm already facing this. I'm suffering the
Speaker 1: consequences of my soup. Okay, I don't need added Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's not what you were talking about originally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm happy you added to what. You really got
Speaker 1: me going and it really helped me. You got my answer. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're coming back to you. I like the name Alfresco.
Speaker 1: I think that's fun. Yea Alfresco is a nice name
Speaker 1: for you name your kid or yeah, al Fresco, Alfresco.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get a second dog. Yeah, I guess second
Speaker 1: dog on name al Fresco. I like when Shaky's Pizza
Speaker 1: and Glendale was trying to do Alfresco dining. Shaky's Pizza
Speaker 1: and Glenco. They had a sign briefly in the pandemic
Speaker 1: that said, but you know, come to Shaky's Alfresco and
Speaker 1: it was just a parking lot in Glendale. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a bit of a mismatch, like slinguistically, when
Speaker 1: you're like shake E's al Fresco, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: don't y'all can eat in the parking lot. Now that
Speaker 1: feels like more on point because we're there for the Mojo's.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. Absolutely, you said are you are you
Speaker 1: like with bees and stuff? I know you said you
Speaker 1: don't like the picnic. I get it. I'm with somebody
Speaker 1: who hates bees and when they get stung, like it's
Speaker 1: a fucking problem. So is it? Do you have like
Speaker 1: a real aversion to bees? Are you just in genuals?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like sitting on the ground your ass
Speaker 1: gets wet sometimes because the grass the moisture seeps through
Speaker 1: and then sudden you got wet. But I don't like
Speaker 1: getting of this. Like we're just to help me understand
Speaker 1: where youre coming. Wow, thank you for also helping my answer. No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just trying to make sure we're in
Speaker 1: the same page. No, we're on the same page. I
Speaker 1: think I do have an aversion to bees. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I mean, who doesn't. I mean, when you see
Speaker 1: a bee, you're not gonna be like like start running
Speaker 1: and trying to get away from the bee. It's like,
Speaker 1: but I mean I think growing up, it's like I
Speaker 1: always go to these picnics and it's like there'd be
Speaker 1: so many bees, and it's just not I just don't
Speaker 1: want to get stung. You know, I know there's a
Speaker 1: problem with the be so no offense to no offense
Speaker 1: two bees because been going in stinks. So I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to hear going through it, but I just don't
Speaker 1: they're going through it. I respect that and go girl.
Speaker 1: We've all been there, girl there, like I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: but I just don't want I just don't like them.
Speaker 1: You know my space, You got your space. The degree
Speaker 1: to which, like my behavior was shaped by early be stings,
Speaker 1: Like just I never would walk outside without shoes on
Speaker 1: because I stepped on a bee like once when I
Speaker 1: was four years old. I feel like I've been guided
Speaker 1: by beastings. And then I just got stung by a
Speaker 1: bee for the first time in like twenty years over
Speaker 1: the weekend, by a dead bee. I was picking up
Speaker 1: a big clump of leaves and there was a dead
Speaker 1: bee in there, and it stung my finger. And really,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long how long ago it's been
Speaker 1: since you guys got stung, but those still hurt. That's
Speaker 1: one thing that hasn't gone away about the bees. There
Speaker 1: still bastards. I still feel like there is there's this
Speaker 1: idea like, yo, man, like what's your like twenty men?
Speaker 1: A beasting doesn't And then like, I too had a beasting,
Speaker 1: like for the first time since like high school a
Speaker 1: few years ago, and I was like it, like it
Speaker 1: sucked me up so bad. And then I was so
Speaker 1: mad at myself. I was like, your pain threshold should
Speaker 1: be high up into you, man, But I learned to
Speaker 1: live with the beast things. And now jack you won't
Speaker 1: go outside with without gloves now, yeah, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm wearing these two sparkly Michael Jackson gloves
Speaker 1: early from of mice and men type of thing. We
Speaker 1: then like went swimming at our neighbor's house, and every
Speaker 1: time a bee out in the pool, I like made
Speaker 1: everyone get out into like fish it out. It's like
Speaker 1: really likes, yeah, everyone spotted another one. This is bullshit.
Speaker 1: You think getting swallowed by whale is bad, trying to
Speaker 1: getting stung by swimming? B what? What's something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated? I this might be sacrilege to say, but
Speaker 1: I think, um, listening to anything other than podcasts is underrated.
Speaker 1: And I cannot tell you how consistently it feels like
Speaker 1: a miracle whenever I just like, remember that I can
Speaker 1: listen to something other than a podcast. Yeah you know us,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like who would have thought this is amazing? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know? Or like audio books. I may I listen
Speaker 1: to a ton of audio books, but I just I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm working this industry. It's what I do. I love podcast,
Speaker 1: but but like there's just something magical about getting in
Speaker 1: my ears something else to listen to, and and it
Speaker 1: feels like fresh and new every time. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my my My search constantly is for new music because
Speaker 1: that's like the one dragon I keep chasing. It is
Speaker 1: like when you just hear like a new artist or
Speaker 1: like a new album or that you're like, where was
Speaker 1: this my life? And that to me is like some
Speaker 1: of the that's what the juice of life is. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I find myself really leaning into that. Although I've been
Speaker 1: the audio book pendulum has been swinging very aggressively back
Speaker 1: into my life against Yeah I would listen to. I
Speaker 1: would say the majority of what I listened to that's
Speaker 1: not music, his audio books instead of podcast. Hit me.
Speaker 1: Hit me with a good audio book that you've I'm listening.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to um a brief History of Seven Killings.
Speaker 1: Have you heard that Marlon James or read that? I
Speaker 1: have read that with my ears. Yeah, there you go,
Speaker 1: really and really well well read, but brilliant book. I
Speaker 1: will say, of course, I under cut myself. Marlin James
Speaker 1: also hosts a really good podcast, so there you go.
Speaker 1: You can go listen what he does. This amazing thing.
Speaker 1: I forget what it's called, but it's it's a podcast
Speaker 1: that he hosts with his editor, and they just have
Speaker 1: an amazing relationship. And it's the kind of thing that like,
Speaker 1: I feel like a really good novelist and their longtime
Speaker 1: editor have a type of relationship with probably unique in
Speaker 1: the in the world, right, And so they have that
Speaker 1: and they just talk about books they love. But it's,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really based around their chemistry. But it's
Speaker 1: like so open, and I mean, I wouldn't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've been people's editor and I've had editors. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would ever have those like really honest,
Speaker 1: open conversations. Knowing that then at some point I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to, you know, send them my work and they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to tear it apart or have to I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's a it's a really great it's
Speaker 1: a really great podcast. So underrated is his podcast. Somehow,
Speaker 1: somehow came back to recommending a freaking podcast after all this, Miles,
Speaker 1: what do you read? What do you uh? What audiobook
Speaker 1: are you read? My Life in Red and White by
Speaker 1: the former manager of Arsenal, Arson Venger, And it's narrated
Speaker 1: by him as well, and he just has a fantastic
Speaker 1: perspective on life and soccer football as it were. And
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of fans of Arsenal myself included,
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of things that happened during
Speaker 1: his tenure that he never really spoke about with much depth.
Speaker 1: He wasn't really always like giving like the most sort
Speaker 1: of open interviews, But in this book he's able to
Speaker 1: really speak about how he saw player management, like he
Speaker 1: you know, he like has a background as an economist
Speaker 1: and that factored heavily into how he even like managed
Speaker 1: trades and things like that. So there are there are
Speaker 1: moments as fans are like why why would he trade
Speaker 1: this person? Or like what's going on? Like why what's
Speaker 1: why do we keep these people? And then you find
Speaker 1: out like sort of from from his perspective, so it's
Speaker 1: a nicely sort of post mortem on his time there,
Speaker 1: and his voice is just you know, classic miles. Do
Speaker 1: you do you know that show Desert Island Discs, That
Speaker 1: BBC show. I've heard of it. Yeah, it's like been
Speaker 1: running for like eighty some years now, but it's basically
Speaker 1: a guest talks about the five or eight records they
Speaker 1: would take with them onto a desert island. But it's
Speaker 1: sort of an excuse to talk about. But he did
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Desert Island discs, recent memories, not
Speaker 1: of all time. It's just phenomenal, So I go check
Speaker 1: it out. But yeah, he's he's got a great voice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and very thoughtful guy. And you know, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: an Arsenal fan, but I I admire him. Yeah, change
Speaker 1: the game and now he's now he's wrapped up in FIFA,
Speaker 1: so he can't really even speak space scathingly of this
Speaker 1: body that is probably actually ruining the game. But hey,
Speaker 1: you know that that's how they get you. I can
Speaker 1: give a anti recommendation for a audio book. You should
Speaker 1: get it, but just don't do what I did. I
Speaker 1: fell asleep listening to Blood Meridian. Oh no, and uh.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, why why am I so
Speaker 1: like anxious today? And yeah, it is because Blood Meridian
Speaker 1: was dancing. Visions of Blood Meridian were dancing through my head.
Speaker 1: I thought it would give me like some insight into
Speaker 1: you know, we we need to know about Texas now
Speaker 1: as as they're about to descend into an apocalyptic, post
Speaker 1: electricity hellscape. I was like, let's let's get into this
Speaker 1: Blood Meridian I've been hearing so much about. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's fucked up. I don't I don't know who narrates it.
Speaker 1: I just did, uh the Autobiography of Malcolm X narrated
Speaker 1: by Laurence Fishburn, and that was fucking amazing. Narrators can
Speaker 1: do so much. But Jody, just based on your podcast,
Speaker 1: I was curious if there are any like esoteric moments
Speaker 1: in history or esoteric kind of trends in history do
Speaker 1: you think are kind of underrated in terms of understanding
Speaker 1: the current zeitgeist and kind of modern America. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a ton, but like, yeah, anyone that sticks up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting question. I mean, you know, I I
Speaker 1: try and be open. You know, part of this is
Speaker 1: like you bring a lens of your own. And so
Speaker 1: I'm one of these people who often I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like every story is a media story, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like in every conversation we have,
Speaker 1: at some point it comes down to just the like
Speaker 1: radical transformation in media that goes back further than maybe
Speaker 1: you know, Fox News came around in the early two
Speaker 1: thousands or in the in the nineties, but you know,
Speaker 1: you um and my co host Nicolehammer Studies wrote it
Speaker 1: the numb an amazing book called Messengers on the Right
Speaker 1: wrote a you know, and and studies a lot. How
Speaker 1: especially the GOP came to really um radicalize around new
Speaker 1: media in the you know, sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties.
Speaker 1: But that's that's the kind of thing that I always
Speaker 1: I feel like, it doesn't get it doesn't get rated properly.
Speaker 1: It's just the way in which we've just been fractured
Speaker 1: intentionally by changing media landscape. So there's just all sorts
Speaker 1: of stories of people who were doing stuff in the
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties and seventies where you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: the blueprint that we're just seeing right now. You know,
Speaker 1: Facebook's just Facebook's just the latest iteration of of you know,
Speaker 1: the way in which took all the breaks off. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was interesting. Jillapoor on your most recent
Speaker 1: episode was talking about how the current culture wars are
Speaker 1: basically the modern like leftovers from the Cold War and
Speaker 1: not the leftovers, but no, it's basically they kept the
Speaker 1: Cold War going by attacking left wind politics within America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had I actually, you know, when she said that,
Speaker 1: it was the first time I've ever heard anyone really
Speaker 1: frame it that went and a few people, i mean like,
Speaker 1: you know, but basically she said, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is the billions of Jillaport was just to sort of
Speaker 1: like tossed off comment, but she was like, you know,
Speaker 1: when we quote unquote won the Cold War, all the
Speaker 1: moves were still there, and so we just turned those
Speaker 1: inwards and we started fighting the Cold War with each other.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh right, yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was a very good insight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very cool. All right, Well, we're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk about culture
Speaker 1: wars and we're back. And the Biden administration has been
Speaker 1: a little strange for the lack of kind of scandals
Speaker 1: coming from the right, like they I haven't heard about
Speaker 1: him wearing a the wrong suit to anything the way
Speaker 1: that we we did when Obama was empowered. The you know,
Speaker 1: Fox News just could bring up anything about him and
Speaker 1: like their majority racist viewership was just ready to hate him.
Speaker 1: But Biden looks exactly like their majority racist viewership. So
Speaker 1: now they and I think also his policies are pretty popular,
Speaker 1: right well, yeah, I mean they don't remember they didn't
Speaker 1: want to talk about the stimulus because you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need money from the government, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not working right now. So they're like,
Speaker 1: talk about Mr potato Head. Now they have to talk
Speaker 1: about Mr potato Head. Dr Seuss. And the big one
Speaker 1: these days isn't now critical race theory. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's completely like like you said, it's we're in
Speaker 1: a whole new environment where they can't even focus on
Speaker 1: even the low hanging fruit, which would be like, what
Speaker 1: is Joe Biden actually done from his campaign promises? Because
Speaker 1: I would if you're looking for something to be critical of,
Speaker 1: that's something you could go down the list and like, well,
Speaker 1: where is that student debt relief where was that that
Speaker 1: weird math where certainly turned into a different amount of
Speaker 1: stimulus money. But now it's critical race theory. And we've
Speaker 1: talked about before how this has been a conscious effort
Speaker 1: to create this like outrage over it. And the numbers
Speaker 1: I think are starting to show that this is very clear.
Speaker 1: Fox News mentioned critical race theory five dred fifty two
Speaker 1: times in the previous eleven months, and then it ramped
Speaker 1: up in the last three which there's another number that's
Speaker 1: like over six hundred, and it's only gotten more and more.
Speaker 1: Last week they've shoehorned it into coverage one d times
Speaker 1: in five days. And then so then you see we
Speaker 1: we've seen all their coverage or a lot of coverage
Speaker 1: in the media of this has been you know, people
Speaker 1: in Florida or Texas, like governors and legislators trying to
Speaker 1: be like, we gotta stop teaching this, or like scenes
Speaker 1: of like outraged like racist parents at these school board
Speaker 1: meetings being like, don't teach them history. What is this?
Speaker 1: It's destroying us? And yeah, the biggest thing that's just
Speaker 1: the biggest miss of all of this, at least in
Speaker 1: the reporting, is that first of all, it's a decades's
Speaker 1: old academic discipline. But on top of it, this is
Speaker 1: hot at the graduate level, Like when you are in university,
Speaker 1: this isn't we didn't grow up with, Like alright, kids,
Speaker 1: and now open up your critical race theory books is
Speaker 1: like first graders. So all of the energy is completely misplaced.
Speaker 1: And this is all by design because they just need
Speaker 1: this catch all outraged topic to get people sort of,
Speaker 1: they just need an energy to exploit. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the more you you hear what how people talk
Speaker 1: about it, You're like, do they even know what this is?
Speaker 1: Or this is just the new dog whistle that can
Speaker 1: play a bunch of different tunes, right, didn't like one
Speaker 1: of them was one of the conservative politicians was asked
Speaker 1: to describe, like what critical race theory is and the
Speaker 1: person whose last name is Pringle appropriately enough. It basically
Speaker 1: teaches that certain children are inherently bad people because of
Speaker 1: the color of their skin. Period. H that's a lot
Speaker 1: to unpack these people whose perspective, these people when they
Speaker 1: were doing the training programs and the government, if you
Speaker 1: don't buy into what they taught you, they sent your
Speaker 1: way to a re education camp. Huh, what do you
Speaker 1: mean the white male executives are sent to a three
Speaker 1: day re education camp where they were told that their
Speaker 1: white male culture wasn't there. Okay, let's just let's are
Speaker 1: you okay? Because this is like just hearing that in
Speaker 1: the in the wake of the uprisings last summer, there
Speaker 1: were companies saying like, we need racial sensitivity training because
Speaker 1: they're clear blind spots from a corporate culture that needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed. And then this is now turned into
Speaker 1: they're what they're fucking Their heads are bagged and they're
Speaker 1: thrown into a fucking van and then driven like the
Speaker 1: dark side of town for like how their eyes peeled
Speaker 1: open to watch like a bunch of a rap video.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the funk they think this is.
Speaker 1: And it goes on still like the other like attacks.
Speaker 1: Are people saying, quote, minority students are going to suffer
Speaker 1: the most from this. When you teach students that the
Speaker 1: system is against them, they have no motivation to learn.
Speaker 1: They are not going to try to work, They are
Speaker 1: not going to try to improve themselves. Seinfeld was doing
Speaker 1: that part, what are you talking about? You even I'm
Speaker 1: going to improve themselves? He says, I mean this whole
Speaker 1: idea that it's like, oh, thank you the savior person
Speaker 1: for saving me from being defeated by acknowledging that I'm
Speaker 1: surviving in a racist construct, Like what what exactly is
Speaker 1: the concern there? And I think this has been going
Speaker 1: it's it's just gaining more and more momentum. But I
Speaker 1: think this is the part where you really see what
Speaker 1: it's all about, because underneath it, it's just like the
Speaker 1: other threats are that it will lead kids to Marxism.
Speaker 1: And this is the last thing that this guy Pringles said.
Speaker 1: He said, quote, this is still the greatest country that
Speaker 1: ever ever been in the his street of the world. Okay,
Speaker 1: and the radical left is trying to destroy that and
Speaker 1: tear us apart and divide this country based on racing class,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what they do in communist countries. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't, so you don't, So you don't know what
Speaker 1: communism is either, Okay? Cool? God damn. They love comparing
Speaker 1: things to like concentration camps, and like just implying, did
Speaker 1: you see that what's her face, Marjorie whatever? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, like as one of them is
Speaker 1: apologizing for comparing masks to uh yeah, she's like I
Speaker 1: had like, was she not forty years to go to
Speaker 1: a Holocaust museum? Like, yeah, have you not taught that?
Speaker 1: Was she not taught that? And this is why we
Speaker 1: need better education because she didn't know what the Holocaust was.
Speaker 1: And then like y'all I was just in that museum.
Speaker 1: She literally said, hey, it happened, Like are you what?
Speaker 1: Where's the just son know, I saw this. I saw
Speaker 1: this TikTok the other day for this like Republican lady
Speaker 1: was complaining about the Quaker oats guy on the canister
Speaker 1: and was like, if we're gonna change anti mimah, we
Speaker 1: should get rid of this slave owner on the this
Speaker 1: can of votes. And like someone was like, that's not
Speaker 1: a slave owner. That's a Quaker. That's a completely different
Speaker 1: that's not a slave owner. You know, just no one
Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about, right, Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think even with that Marjorie Taylor Green comment, it's
Speaker 1: like it just shows you how much of a threat
Speaker 1: these kinds of people are when this is their worldview,
Speaker 1: and then they enter the halls of Congress too, you know,
Speaker 1: drum up legislation that is trying to reinforce their worldview,
Speaker 1: where maybe the Holocaust. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Were you there, Yeah, exactly, that's like her. So I
Speaker 1: went to like a shitty public school in Michigan, and
Speaker 1: I know about the Holocaust, like at the very least, right,
Speaker 1: we didn't have parents at home that we're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't happening. Because in eighth grade we took a
Speaker 1: trip to d C. I may have told the story
Speaker 1: before before we're going into the Holocaust Museum. Our teachers
Speaker 1: before we got off the bus said hey, I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know we got a letter from
Speaker 1: a parent that said that the Holocaust never happened and
Speaker 1: that they didn't want they didn't want your classmate in
Speaker 1: to go to this museum. I just want to let
Speaker 1: all of you know. I'm not going to say who
Speaker 1: it is, but I just want to let you know
Speaker 1: that there are people who are going to deny what
Speaker 1: all of the things you are about to see in
Speaker 1: this museum. And it was really a pointed. It was
Speaker 1: like it was like everyone's like, yo, what the funk?
Speaker 1: And I'm growing in l A were like we saw
Speaker 1: Schimler's List, it was best picture. But like then we
Speaker 1: go in and that was sort of wold. That was
Speaker 1: my first time even hearing that. People were like, what
Speaker 1: do you but that ship happened, Like what are you
Speaker 1: talking for that? I don't know about holocaust and ires
Speaker 1: until maybe like ten years ago. I had no idea
Speaker 1: it was a thing, right, Yeah, all right, very cool,
Speaker 1: cool time. Marjorie Taylor Green. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Hunts four leaks. This this is just a story we
Speaker 1: see all the time. We kind of got a taste
Speaker 1: for it during the Trump administration when like a story
Speaker 1: would come out that was based on a leak or
Speaker 1: a whistleblower, and then we would get to hear about
Speaker 1: like Trump kind of trying to ferret out the leak,
Speaker 1: and also he would tweet, he would give us like
Speaker 1: a live look into window into his brain as he
Speaker 1: like was being furious about it. And then we kind
Speaker 1: of learned that you think that, like reporters were like,
Speaker 1: you think this is bad, Obama was like worse. He
Speaker 1: like was really aggressive about going after anybody you leaked,
Speaker 1: just like digging through their emails and ship. And now
Speaker 1: that is a big part of the story about you know,
Speaker 1: the pro publican story that we just talked about earlier
Speaker 1: last week where they leaked the tax records of individual billionaires.
Speaker 1: You know, they instead of it being like, here are
Speaker 1: fifty anonymous people who are the richest in America, they
Speaker 1: were like, no, you get to see who these people are,
Speaker 1: because that is how we understand stories, is like via
Speaker 1: these characters, and like they are making themselves celebrities. So
Speaker 1: we are going to use that to, uh make our point.
Speaker 1: And I think it was really important reporting. And now
Speaker 1: the story that's being told in the mainstream is like
Speaker 1: they're hunting down the leaker. Uh, the I r. S
Speaker 1: Has like referred it to the FBI, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: just generally in reality, when you accuse someone of something
Speaker 1: and their responses who told you that and then making
Speaker 1: the entire argument about who told you that, um, that's
Speaker 1: usually like a pretty good sign that that person is
Speaker 1: doing something wrong. What you heard is accurate. But for
Speaker 1: some reason, unless it's being done by the Trump administration,
Speaker 1: this hasn't really hit our brains as like an evil
Speaker 1: thing that becomes like the focus of our attention. I
Speaker 1: think that it's also like a lot of these billionaires
Speaker 1: must be mad at certain other billionaires because they're not
Speaker 1: even I can't help, but feel like there's something to
Speaker 1: be said for like Elon Musk is gonna host SNL
Speaker 1: and then Jeff Bezos is gonna announce he's launching himself
Speaker 1: into space. Oh yeah, like yeah, there's very little sympathy
Speaker 1: for me right now about these people's privacy rights. If
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, like, it's gonna be hard for me
Speaker 1: to go like, well, I would hate it if my
Speaker 1: tax in fall got out there, Like yeah, but I
Speaker 1: also don't, you know, dominate the American economy and fight
Speaker 1: unionization and launched myself into orbit like it it. I
Speaker 1: don't do that either, So yeah, I'm not gonna worry
Speaker 1: too much about how who leaked that, you know, but
Speaker 1: I bet that you got like Warren Buffetts sitting around
Speaker 1: going like I play it cool. I shouldn't think a
Speaker 1: lot of these people spend a lot of time and
Speaker 1: money staying directly out of the spotlight. That makes it
Speaker 1: um so enjoyable to want them to get taken down.
Speaker 1: They'd prefer we didn't know this. They must be looking
Speaker 1: at Elon going get the funk off a live TV.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Stay off making it hot for
Speaker 1: the rest of the drug dealers essentially exactly that is.
Speaker 1: It is interesting, it's kind of become a new strategy
Speaker 1: of like like billionaires used to I guess they didn't
Speaker 1: used to lay alow. They used to like buy colleges
Speaker 1: and name them after themselves. So they've always liked having
Speaker 1: their name out there. But it's it's just seems like
Speaker 1: the trying to like chase celebrity, probably like having more
Speaker 1: PR dollars spent on their own like personal image than
Speaker 1: most companies. I'm sure. Like that seems to be a
Speaker 1: new a new angle. And the thing that they've arrived
Speaker 1: on is go to space. Man. People people think that
Speaker 1: ship's cool. And at least the college is like I'll
Speaker 1: put my name on this thing and other people go
Speaker 1: and learn there and then learn, like you know, like
Speaker 1: these billionaire industrialists back in the day where it's like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build Grand Central Station because I want i
Speaker 1: want my city's train station to be better than anybody.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just still building a public service thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you're just gonna go like read que
Speaker 1: cards on NBC television and smirk about it and none
Speaker 1: of us are even sure how much of what you
Speaker 1: do is real? Man, Like, Yeah, I'm not gonna feel
Speaker 1: too bad when somebody's like, check out the dirt I
Speaker 1: got on these people. It's hitting a breaking point, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually just really scary because it's like
Speaker 1: they're going to go after the leakers, but it's not
Speaker 1: like anything changed after the Panama papers either, And it's
Speaker 1: just you's gotta sitting in you wonder. Oh, it's like
Speaker 1: it really, it really does feel like this is not
Speaker 1: going to change. They're not going to opped out of this,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna need to be taken away from them.
Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about, like, oh, is there
Speaker 1: gonna have to be like an actual like revolution against
Speaker 1: billionaires because it seems like they're getting a lot of
Speaker 1: chances to go at least put in a token effort
Speaker 1: to give some of this stuff back. You know. It
Speaker 1: feels that way. And I think until like culturally we
Speaker 1: we shift away from just being like, oh, having a
Speaker 1: lot of money is good and cool, it will always
Speaker 1: have like this love affair with like people who like
Speaker 1: have just could you imagine that's so cool? We have
Speaker 1: so much money, like you don't even know what to
Speaker 1: do with it. And I think slowly, I think more
Speaker 1: and more look more and more people look at billionaires
Speaker 1: and go, no, there, that's that's bad. This they're hoarding
Speaker 1: the wealth. And that's why there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: are lacking is because these people a don't pay their
Speaker 1: fair share and they're just concentrating all their wealth off
Speaker 1: of the backs of the people that work for them. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think until we can like shift cultured for
Speaker 1: like a billionaire or a millionaire, you know, some like
Speaker 1: hyper wealthy person to show up like on a screen
Speaker 1: and a sitcom and people don't go, oh whoa for right, boo,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's a fucking evil doer like that,
Speaker 1: that's I think the important shift that has to take
Speaker 1: place at some point at least a popular culture. I
Speaker 1: feel like some of these guys are really starting to
Speaker 1: come off to me, Like if Willy Wonka didn't share
Speaker 1: any candy, and it's like, and now you're just thrust psycho.
Speaker 1: He's just like a psycho and crazy clothes with like
Speaker 1: a weird warehouse full of experiments, right, and you don't
Speaker 1: even share the candy, like we don't even does he
Speaker 1: does the golden ticket thing, but he keeps them all
Speaker 1: for himself and then just like makes a big deal
Speaker 1: about how much candy he can eat. It's he's like, damn,
Speaker 1: I got each one. Yeah. I mean to your point, Chris,
Speaker 1: I think the the message of this leak is obviously
Speaker 1: the rules are broken, right, Like it's so like there
Speaker 1: was the CNBC segment that was embedded in one of
Speaker 1: the articles about how like the I R. S Is
Speaker 1: hunting these people down, and the c NBC anchor was like,
Speaker 1: it's not tax evasion, it's tax avoidance. Like I don't
Speaker 1: see what the big deal is, and like one of
Speaker 1: the people I think it was Jim Kramer actually on
Speaker 1: the panel, was like, they're gonna be mad at me,
Speaker 1: but I'm I think these billionaires need to pay more money.
Speaker 1: And they're like, what are you talking about? How are
Speaker 1: you going to do that? They're not booking the money,
Speaker 1: but like they just can't think beyond the Yeah, they're refusing.
Speaker 1: They suck. The rules are bad, that system is broken.
Speaker 1: And I called him out before in a joke, but
Speaker 1: I think Warren Buffett is the one who has gone
Speaker 1: on record and said like they absolutely should change the
Speaker 1: law so we can stop doing this and I think
Speaker 1: he's been like, yeah, I do it because it's not illegal,
Speaker 1: but it should be. League. I think it was Warren
Speaker 1: Buffett who's been like that. Guys like if twenty of
Speaker 1: us all, that's the thing that's so maddening for the
Speaker 1: rest of us, right, Like, I've been very lucky. I've
Speaker 1: I've a couple of years ago, I had a couple
Speaker 1: of years I did really well, and I have some
Speaker 1: breathing room. Now I'm not doing as well, and I
Speaker 1: sit and I stressed about that, but I'm very very lucky.
Speaker 1: And even I sit here and I go, man, it
Speaker 1: really is about twenty to thirty people that if they
Speaker 1: just like, if they cut the ship to a degree
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't even notice, it would take so much
Speaker 1: stress off the rest of us. I'm not even saying
Speaker 1: take I'm not even saying own up to it, to
Speaker 1: do it to a degree that it will affect your life.
Speaker 1: It will not affect your life. You'll only own of
Speaker 1: American commerce instead of forty three percent. That other three
Speaker 1: percent will help so many other people get like braces
Speaker 1: for their kids and ship Like That's what's infuriating, is
Speaker 1: like you could find a middle ground where these assholes
Speaker 1: are still getting away with so much and and it
Speaker 1: erases human suffering and they don't do it. And it's
Speaker 1: weird to say, but I'm like, that's for as gross
Speaker 1: as like, you know, the Carnegies and and the rocket Fellers,
Speaker 1: where at least they did go and build big train
Speaker 1: stations for the rest of us. And was was it
Speaker 1: so that they could like jerk themselves off in the mirror? Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: but they did do something for the rest of us. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: But Bezos is doing something for the rest of us,
Speaker 1: and that is going to space and showing us anything
Speaker 1: is possible with a loan from your parents. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll talk about that in
Speaker 1: a second, and we're back. Let's talk about some U
Speaker 1: a P. Debunking material. Uh, listener, Amanda Price, I think
Speaker 1: other listeners had shared this podcast with us. Amanda shared
Speaker 1: the time code that included the relevant interview shout out
Speaker 1: to the lazy and disorganized. Yes, thank you, I need it, uh,
Speaker 1: And if you could actually start the video for me,
Speaker 1: that would be here. But so, I think they just
Speaker 1: did a really good job of presentinging the information that
Speaker 1: skeptics are trying to get across. So the videos that
Speaker 1: they're particularly debunking are the tic TAC videos, like the
Speaker 1: one where the people are like whoa, like we locked
Speaker 1: onto it, we got it. And the person doing the
Speaker 1: debunking is a former video game programmer who therefore has
Speaker 1: tons of experience doing three D modeling and like so
Speaker 1: has a really good sense of like perspective and like
Speaker 1: what something would look like. And he points out that
Speaker 1: like broadly, for the same reason that Biden Jimmy Carter
Speaker 1: picture looked so wild, uh yeah, just like perspective and
Speaker 1: lens distortion, that the tic TACs only look like they're
Speaker 1: moving extremely fast. And he said that like if you
Speaker 1: look at so if you look at all of the
Speaker 1: information that's like contained in the video, it is actually
Speaker 1: probably why up in the sky the actual tic TAC
Speaker 1: is way up in the sky, looks like it's speeding
Speaker 1: over the water. But and I think I got this right,
Speaker 1: but I'm he I think he's saying that the horizon
Speaker 1: of the water is actually in the foreground and the
Speaker 1: tic TAC is like beyond it, and so as it's
Speaker 1: moving slowly, it looks like it's speeding over the water,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not it's just moving, So what is
Speaker 1: it's seeing? Then he's basically saying that it's moving the
Speaker 1: speed of like when you look at how high up
Speaker 1: it is, that's how fast the wind moves at that level,
Speaker 1: like with this perspective shift. And he also said it's
Speaker 1: because it's a black white infrared targeting camera and this
Speaker 1: it's on a black hot setting that the fact that
Speaker 1: it's white just means that it's extremely cold, and so
Speaker 1: he's saying that it's probably and this is like the
Speaker 1: standard answer for all u a p are UFOs weather balloom,
Speaker 1: but like that that makes sense. It's big enough to
Speaker 1: like see at a distance to like create weird perspective
Speaker 1: distortion and it would kind of look like a tic
Speaker 1: tac at that distance. And the reason that it's like
Speaker 1: kind of fucking with everybody who looks at it is
Speaker 1: because the we're looking at it through a camera that
Speaker 1: is extremely classified that you've never seen anything through. It's
Speaker 1: like a targeting I think it's made by Raytheon and
Speaker 1: it's like a targeting camera that is super powerful, and
Speaker 1: we don't typically see video from those targeting cameras, so
Speaker 1: it's just like not something we're used to looking at,
Speaker 1: so I you know, he he definitely presents a compelling case.
Speaker 1: And so my thing is that the tic TAC has
Speaker 1: never been the most compelling like thing for me. It's
Speaker 1: more the eyewitness testimony of that fighter pilot and the
Speaker 1: two fighter pilots who are in the same plane, and
Speaker 1: for that their explanation just seems to be like, there
Speaker 1: are people who believe in UFOs who work in the
Speaker 1: military and like are lying. Basically damn, that's so we
Speaker 1: got all these boring asks that we still have his
Speaker 1: boring as jets and propulsion systems, and yeah, exactly. I
Speaker 1: did an episode of a podcast with Jason Parjeon recently
Speaker 1: from the executive editor from back when I was at Cracked,
Speaker 1: and he's he's both interested in like paranormal stuff but
Speaker 1: also like fully skeptical. So I was I've been like, oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta get you on to like talk about the
Speaker 1: tic TACs, And first of all, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: I was talking about, but then when I further explained,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, that story is so annoying. Just
Speaker 1: because like someone knows how to fly a plane doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're not completely full of ship, which I was
Speaker 1: like huh, I guess I can. Like he's basically saying
Speaker 1: like they're there are people in the Pentagon and in
Speaker 1: the Air Force who just are lying, who want to
Speaker 1: launch lying. So that's the thing that don't don't lie.
Speaker 1: So that's the one thing that we can kind of
Speaker 1: point to. But yeah, I don't know. I still I
Speaker 1: don't think this like fully debunked it. I just think
Speaker 1: it in terms of the tic TAC videos, I think
Speaker 1: it is a plausible explanation. M definitely brings my enthusiasm
Speaker 1: down a little bit. But I'm also like all always,
Speaker 1: you know, always believe the truth is out there. So
Speaker 1: that's just me. Yeah. So the thing that I kind
Speaker 1: of objected to about the this podcast called like the
Speaker 1: Skeptic podcast or something, Uh, they dismiss the people who
Speaker 1: like think this stuff is interesting as just being people
Speaker 1: who like want to have some inside information and like
Speaker 1: seems smart, and I don't. I think that's like not
Speaker 1: giving it enough credence. Like I think that's that's how
Speaker 1: That's what I used to say when I was just
Speaker 1: like assuming that like we know everything there is to know,
Speaker 1: and uh, anything else is stupid and people need to
Speaker 1: shut up, like I feel like it's just too dismissive
Speaker 1: and not I'm always interested in people who actively want
Speaker 1: aliens to exist, like what why, Like I need it,
Speaker 1: I need it passionately. I have the perspective of, like
Speaker 1: I'm always open to acknowledging that there's things we just
Speaker 1: don't know just in general. Is like a human being,
Speaker 1: like that's try to have that mindset to be open
Speaker 1: to like learning things and not be so like that
Speaker 1: they're absolutes in terms of like what we can or
Speaker 1: can't know. And so yeah, So I think in those instances,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship maybe, but I'm definitely not like,
Speaker 1: come on, like I cashed out my phone one K
Speaker 1: and I'm going you a V hunter or you a
Speaker 1: B hunting or whatever? You a P hunting, You're not
Speaker 1: University of Alabama, Birmingham exactly. I think it. I like
Speaker 1: there's a spiritual aspect to my wanting to believe in it,
Speaker 1: like the same I think it's akin to people wanting
Speaker 1: to believe in gods or higher powers. Okay, so your
Speaker 1: religion is UFOs is what you're saying. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's my religion, saying that I think there is like
Speaker 1: and it's also we saw a lot of the really
Speaker 1: interest and belief in UFOs like going up as people
Speaker 1: became i think less religious and went to church less
Speaker 1: and less. Like it just creates a like big, vast
Speaker 1: framework for the universe. And like I could see a
Speaker 1: version where, you know, if they are friendly aliens who
Speaker 1: are just deciding not to kill us, which it seems
Speaker 1: like they could if they had this technology, then we
Speaker 1: are on a progressive path towards being You want just
Speaker 1: to believe in the universe. I want to believe in
Speaker 1: the Star Trek version of the the universe where they're
Speaker 1: just like they're not quite there yet, but like once
Speaker 1: they stopped killing each other, then we can let them
Speaker 1: into the cluss. What if we're just on a germ
Speaker 1: rock that's utterly fucked. Yeah, this is big news. I
Speaker 1: didn't know Jack was part of the Alien Church, and
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I think it's time for you to
Speaker 1: do my podcast. Yeah, you just want there to be
Speaker 1: something more than this daily sludge. Yeah, if I'm psychoanalyzing,
Speaker 1: like why I'm open to it, I think that's probably
Speaker 1: at least part of it, your openness rather than your
Speaker 1: strict But you're not saying it's a strict belief. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not my strict belief. And I yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think it's interesting and I think it's like I
Speaker 1: used to dismiss it because of a assumption that like
Speaker 1: we knew everything there was to know, and I just
Speaker 1: don't think that's true. Oh no, that can't be true.
Speaker 1: I mean we're very dumb as a species exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, but that as the foundation. Then
Speaker 1: you're like, if that's true, then many other things are
Speaker 1: possible if we're dumb as buck on the right, right,
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