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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It is Tuesday, June one. My
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien a K. Starships are meant to fly.
Speaker 1: I saw them, says some guy UFOs would be so tight.
Speaker 1: Perspective just isn't right. Starships are meant to fly. I
Speaker 1: tic text up in the sky videos they don't seem right.
Speaker 1: Can't stop these scammers, all our bloodsuckers, all right. That
Speaker 1: is courtesy of Johnny Davis. Not quite able to pull
Speaker 1: off that last part. But maybe with a little you
Speaker 1: need to get like a vocoder or something. Yeah, but hey,
Speaker 1: shout out to Johnny Davis. Topical as I lose my
Speaker 1: religion as I'm losing my religion with the UFO gods
Speaker 1: that I want to believe in. Uh. And I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: to be joined as always by my co host Mr
Speaker 1: Miles Grag Oh no, we gotta go Bay Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yit all right, Thank you too, Rob Cunningham at Math
Speaker 1: demigod for that wonderful Louis Louis a k you know,
Speaker 1: just keeping a joke all day where they actually drunk
Speaker 1: for that performance or like no, I mean I was
Speaker 1: a little truth be told that I was in a
Speaker 1: cover band where we would play at the Kippets Room
Speaker 1: on Friday's, uh in the early tens and uh, that
Speaker 1: was a song that we would play and then but
Speaker 1: our at least singer was always drunk. So in my
Speaker 1: mind it's always through like Gloria and this song, I
Speaker 1: was like, there's no I mean, the vocal performances are
Speaker 1: famously like slurred and he is the Lord that he
Speaker 1: was drunk during that. They just always felt drunk to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't understand what they're saying. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of the art. I just always
Speaker 1: wondered what if that was real or if they were
Speaker 1: just approximating it, because then that would be real problematic
Speaker 1: if they had to if they like got drunk for
Speaker 1: the recording, and then every live show they had to
Speaker 1: like go through the motions of pretending they were drunk,
Speaker 1: like drunk, but it just sounds nothing like it when
Speaker 1: he's sober stopping Lewis. Lewis, uh. Well. We are thrilled, Miles,
Speaker 1: to be joined in our third seat by an actor,
Speaker 1: writer and director who's creative work for Disney Tumbler, tar J,
Speaker 1: whose work has been featured by Amy Poehler, Smart Girls,
Speaker 1: and The Washington Post, among many others. She's been on
Speaker 1: screens and stages across this very land as a member
Speaker 1: of the ground Links Sunday Company. Please welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Kate Scott Cambo, Hello, Jack, Miles Jackson laws great to
Speaker 1: be every They are listening in their their ears to
Speaker 1: the door. So good closet and then a media closet. Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't hear anyone else. Oh my gosh, Jack, that
Speaker 1: Starship rendition was giving me some Jefferson Starship nostalgia. A little.
Speaker 1: We built this city on rock and roll is where
Speaker 1: I was going, which one of the great songs of
Speaker 1: all time. Why did they regarded you know, it was
Speaker 1: just a quick It was a quick, a two B
Speaker 1: connection from your performance to that. In my mind, oh
Speaker 1: thank you. That means a lot. I try to evoke
Speaker 1: that song even in my podcast hosting, so it means
Speaker 1: a lot to me that you you were picking up
Speaker 1: on that. Well, where are you coming to us from? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I am currently in South Pasadena, but I'm
Speaker 1: originally from San Francisco, which is where Jefferson Airplane then
Speaker 1: Jefferson Starship, then stars I think was the evolution of
Speaker 1: that the band's name is from. So actually, every time
Speaker 1: I drive up to to the Bay from l A
Speaker 1: and I'm driving over, one of the like I like
Speaker 1: to put that song on is a little for an anthem. Wait,
Speaker 1: so why why did they become Starship after Airplane? Did
Speaker 1: they start doing like drugs or something and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: this is a starship or like because I remember, I
Speaker 1: just know that those are two names and I didn't
Speaker 1: you know. Now I'm like, yeah, that's okay. So they
Speaker 1: went to Starship. But what what triggers you start a
Speaker 1: band in the sixties and seventies named after airplanes? Because
Speaker 1: that was like kind of a you're kind of fucking
Speaker 1: with fate there a little bit already kept dying in
Speaker 1: plane crashes. Yeah, that's true. That could have been part
Speaker 1: of it. Maybe they were like, well, we can't yet
Speaker 1: be on a starship, so you know, we like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they really respect technology, Like that's kind of a big
Speaker 1: jump many starship maybe equal parts respecting technology and drug use.
Speaker 1: Smiles to your question, I feel like in San Francisco
Speaker 1: drug use. I just I don't. I don't see in
Speaker 1: the seventies, I mean sly in the family Stone, great
Speaker 1: band from the Bay Area to very straightforward, very straight,
Speaker 1: very not freaky at all, I know, grateful, dead like
Speaker 1: war suits and ties, you know, very very buttoned up.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been told that I often talk about
Speaker 1: San Francisco and and clearly I love to do that.
Speaker 1: It's happening right now, so all my friends are. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you find a way to bring up
Speaker 1: San Francisco. You're right, I do. Yeah, that's like me
Speaker 1: in the Valley, you know, we were proud of where
Speaker 1: we come from. Oh yeah, I like, I'll just shoot
Speaker 1: on the North Hollywood right there. Oh yeah, raised, oh yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that is a rarity and I know it is. I
Speaker 1: think that's why. And it's funny because all of my
Speaker 1: friends who are locals, like no one's in the industry,
Speaker 1: like they all they're like nurses or like therapists and
Speaker 1: they do other things. They're like, I ain't touching that
Speaker 1: cess pit that like drove our families up the wall.
Speaker 1: You're like, I am squarely planted in the heart. I'm
Speaker 1: a podcaster, so it's nothing, nothing like traditional media. That
Speaker 1: is correct. So but yes, Jack, I am. I'm currently
Speaker 1: in South Pass. Just to just to round it, bring
Speaker 1: it home to answer your Yeah, there's a depth to
Speaker 1: your background. It's very degnd thank you. I'm strategically high.
Speaker 1: My lack of couch, my my very sparse furniture. I've
Speaker 1: still you know, filling things in okay, books on those walls.
Speaker 1: Clearly very learned. You just you just you kick it
Speaker 1: at the table. Is that like your living room? Then happen?
Speaker 1: You know, I do. Here's the thing I finally got.
Speaker 1: I finally ordered a couch when I moved into this
Speaker 1: place back in October. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to unlock a new level of adulthood and
Speaker 1: just get a couch, Like not going to hand me
Speaker 1: down just like get a couch. I did that for
Speaker 1: the first time, you did. Yeah, yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a big It's an investment too, because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: truth beats Okay, I've bought like an Ikea couch, but
Speaker 1: then they disintegrate after like four months or like four
Speaker 1: you know, solid sit down sessions on it. And then
Speaker 1: this time I was like, I have to go and
Speaker 1: invest in my spine and back and butt and make
Speaker 1: sure I have a couch that is you know, asked
Speaker 1: worthy for, you know, to lie upon. It's I think
Speaker 1: asked worthy is yeah, number one criteria. Um, but but
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's COVID. It's taking a while. I
Speaker 1: finally finally made the decision. But yeah, I've been getting
Speaker 1: a lot of flak. My friends are like, are you
Speaker 1: a serial killer? And we don't know it. You just
Speaker 1: have books in your apartment, just doing burpies in your
Speaker 1: living room. You know, it's like you got a little
Speaker 1: built in roller round yoga studio, cartwheel space whenever you
Speaker 1: wanted us when the heat, when the heat comes, you're
Speaker 1: always able to just leave without a moment's notice, Like
Speaker 1: Robert De Niro said, in the movie Heat, the Greatest
Speaker 1: l a film. Oh my god, that's right. That Oh
Speaker 1: got Jack, that's such a great reference. Yeah, I am
Speaker 1: a I'm actually a doomsday prepper, is what I've been meeting.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to get attached bank robber. We won't say it,
Speaker 1: and you will bleep that part out because you haven't
Speaker 1: been caught. Well three distributor, Life Force, Well three distributor. Alright, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better at the moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners
Speaker 1: a few of the things we're talking about. The n
Speaker 1: C double A was thoroughly owned by Brett Kavanaugh, but
Speaker 1: just in general by the Supreme Court, and it was
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining to read. We'll talk about how we probably
Speaker 1: aren't getting that free beer on the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: So you know, we have to see the wild ass
Speaker 1: plans that came to fruition during the Trump administration. But
Speaker 1: now you know, the things he wanted to do that
Speaker 1: people were like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: are starting to trickle out. So we'll talk about one
Speaker 1: such that involved sending the people who tested positive for
Speaker 1: COVID to a specific location we will talk about a
Speaker 1: Republican politician who was caught on tape within the past
Speaker 1: couple of weeks threatening to send a hit squad after
Speaker 1: a rival, And I'm just curious if that's the new
Speaker 1: normal and Republican primaries now that Q and on is
Speaker 1: like a prerequisite to getting Trump not of approval. We'll
Speaker 1: check in with a drought. We'll check in with the
Speaker 1: price of burritos courtesy of the Federalist, will check in
Speaker 1: with the Olympics and Nielsen ratings, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Kate, we like to ask our guests, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history so much? I love
Speaker 1: a good Google deep dive. One you might not have
Speaker 1: heard on this show before is Abraham Lincoln defenistration. That
Speaker 1: was something that I googled this past week. Let me
Speaker 1: just quickly unpack that for you. Do you know the
Speaker 1: term defenistrate? What that means? Window? Right, specifically thrown out
Speaker 1: a window. It's one of my favorite words because it's
Speaker 1: so specific, right, It's like not just yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: English language is attempt at being like the German language,
Speaker 1: where there's like a word for the most specific and
Speaker 1: dark thing in the world. Exact. It was something like
Speaker 1: a like like the medical term for being deglove arm
Speaker 1: was defenestrated. I was like, oh my god. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, oh, you mean throwing out a win Okay,
Speaker 1: but it definitely sounds like something else. It does nonplused,
Speaker 1: sounds like you're like unimpressed, but it actually means confused. Jack,
Speaker 1: just quick side, I'm so happy you brought that up
Speaker 1: because I always want to use the word not but
Speaker 1: I find my something like, yeah, I was so nonplussed,
Speaker 1: Like that's not what that word means. Use. It feels
Speaker 1: like it should be. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. So yeah, defenstrate totally, Jack. It's like one
Speaker 1: of the words in our English language that is actually
Speaker 1: like very specific and doesn't have a billion meanings. And
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln fun fact, I am related to Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: Lincoln's great great grandfather is my great times eight grandfather.
Speaker 1: You do that math and yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up, it was always like a fun in fact,
Speaker 1: and I was like, read the story about how we
Speaker 1: returned the penny across town because he was so honest,
Speaker 1: and it was just like a lot of anecdotes about
Speaker 1: how amazing Lincoln was. And I think for that reason,
Speaker 1: I didn't really look into Lincoln because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm related to this person who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like hero, What is that gonna say about me
Speaker 1: and what I have are having accomplished in my life? Um?
Speaker 1: But I just started reading about Lincoln a lot more recently.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like kind of been mentioned in the
Speaker 1: past year in the news a few times, and I
Speaker 1: was actually very very happy to find that in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, he was like a total mess, like
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that he did is he literally defenestrated himself. He threw
Speaker 1: himself out of a window in a very public setting
Speaker 1: at the Illinois Congress back in eighteen forty. He was
Speaker 1: politician when he was a rising politician, which by the way,
Speaker 1: he was a politician, and then he was a lawyer
Speaker 1: for a long time, Like it took him. It was
Speaker 1: a very long road for him to yeaol was a
Speaker 1: fucking loser. Let's be straight here, Okay, we can't we
Speaker 1: can all agree on this. I mean, like, what's later
Speaker 1: than a laid bloomer? Come on? But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: That was one of the things where I was like,
Speaker 1: what what Well, So that's why I was googling it.
Speaker 1: I was like, let me get some more facts on
Speaker 1: Lincoln self defenistrating. So basically, the like the quick and
Speaker 1: dirty version is Lincoln was a congress man for the
Speaker 1: Whig Party at the time, and there was this vote.
Speaker 1: There's a special session in Congress in Illinois. He was
Speaker 1: in the state Congress and there was this vote Whigs
Speaker 1: versus the Democrats to essentially they was going to crush
Speaker 1: the Illinois State Bank. Wiggs wanted to keep the bank,
Speaker 1: Democrats wanted it to go away for many reasons, and
Speaker 1: the Whigs knew they were gonna lose, so a bunch
Speaker 1: of them walked out so they wouldn't achieve quorum so
Speaker 1: the vote couldn't happen. But Lincoln stayed just to Apparently
Speaker 1: one person was writing that he just wanted to see
Speaker 1: the Democrats sweat and then got essentially stuck inside and
Speaker 1: had to go out a window because he had missed
Speaker 1: his opportunity to walk out of the of the room. Also,
Speaker 1: I thought this was going in a completely different direction
Speaker 1: because he's like one of the things he was known
Speaker 1: for early on was being really good at wrestling, like
Speaker 1: that was a thing that people research has not left
Speaker 1: me to that yet Jack, Oh yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: Wrestling was like a big thing that people did, like,
Speaker 1: especially in the military, because there was nothing else to do.
Speaker 1: And it was just like, I bet you can't lick me,
Speaker 1: which might like get me off my feet. And because
Speaker 1: he was tall and strong, he was just good at
Speaker 1: like throwing people around. So I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to throw somebody out the window and once again not
Speaker 1: for the first time in my life, very disappointed. Neighbor
Speaker 1: him Lincoln. It's like it's like Cramer esque from Seinfeld
Speaker 1: in a weird, like idiotic way where it's like you
Speaker 1: you had this plan, then you're like, oh, throw myself out.
Speaker 1: That's not a Boss movie. Well exactly, like it's flawed
Speaker 1: in numerous ways, which is like, Okay, if you all
Speaker 1: are going to walk out like Lincoln, just go go
Speaker 1: and walk out, like don't stay to be like ha ha,
Speaker 1: like watch how everyone walked out and this is gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and then be yeah, like you get stuck, you just panic,
Speaker 1: you throw yourself out a window. Also, he was so tall,
Speaker 1: so someone was writing that was essentially like his feet
Speaker 1: pretty much touched the ground. It wasn't even like that
Speaker 1: exciting because it was so tall. You want to see
Speaker 1: like a rough, dangling lame. It's like, hey, get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah they locked the doors and then jump. So what
Speaker 1: am I going to do? Bring this? Bring the hate card,
Speaker 1: Bring the hate card. But I don't like here. It's
Speaker 1: like and his legs were so long, he merely stepped
Speaker 1: right out like dunk. His arms are straight up and
Speaker 1: he just got on his toes. Yeah that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: So what an adventure that search history was true? What
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? I'll give a hot
Speaker 1: tick on this. I'm going to say starting over, like
Speaker 1: the whole glamorous concept of starting over that I feel
Speaker 1: like I see everywhere it's like so and so it's
Speaker 1: like splashing new chapter, like blank slate, Like look, I'm
Speaker 1: all for a good refresh, reboot, change, pivot like burning
Speaker 1: down what's broken? Zigzag? But I feel like there's just
Speaker 1: like often this built in underlying message of like and
Speaker 1: abandon everything you were before, or like everything that happened before,
Speaker 1: you know, like throw it off, defenestrated the window your
Speaker 1: entire life right, like just to yeah, just to like
Speaker 1: start fresh, when in fact, like can we just keep
Speaker 1: on going and like, yeah, look at the like messed
Speaker 1: up stuff we've done and learned from it, look at
Speaker 1: the look at yeah, trust the like wisdom of being
Speaker 1: a human in the world. Hopefully we've acquired some for years.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's just so it's not so much maybe
Speaker 1: the starting over, but the like everything that came before
Speaker 1: it should be forgotten kind of thing. Like you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen how on a bigger level that's problematic, and
Speaker 1: certainly I think on a personal level it can be too.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. I think we love
Speaker 1: the idea of somebody who like starts over in a
Speaker 1: completely new direction and like has success. I think one
Speaker 1: of the big kind of icons of this is Colonel Sanders,
Speaker 1: because he didn't like start selling fried chicken until really
Speaker 1: late in his life. But that was all part of
Speaker 1: like he was. He had a lifetime of fail you're
Speaker 1: like trying to sell different things. So it's not like
Speaker 1: he was just like, Okay, and I'm going to recreate
Speaker 1: myself as this fast food pitchman. It was just like
Speaker 1: that was another thing he was trying he was just
Speaker 1: continuously trying to succeed at selling people ship and making money,
Speaker 1: like accidentally stumbled on this thing. But we want the
Speaker 1: story to be it's never too late. Like this person
Speaker 1: Alan Rickman didn't play Hans Gruber until like late in
Speaker 1: his life. It's like, yeah, but he was one of
Speaker 1: the best stage actors in the world up to that point.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean Sam Jackson's like that too. I mean,
Speaker 1: like he was a drug addict and he got over
Speaker 1: his addiction and then began acting very late in life
Speaker 1: and look at him like that's when you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that's a that's a bit of a turnaround.
Speaker 1: But I think to your point of like this whole
Speaker 1: idea of starting over, yeah, you sort of cheapen the
Speaker 1: human experience of just growth and you're looking at whatever
Speaker 1: you do through the lens of growth versus like it
Speaker 1: being it or bat or a mistake or something that
Speaker 1: needs to be torn down or whatever. I mean, like, sure,
Speaker 1: you make mistakes or you have ideas or personal philosophies
Speaker 1: that don't serve you any will, but you iterate on
Speaker 1: that and you grow and you build. You know, your
Speaker 1: life is just about building on top of all those
Speaker 1: things rather than like clear the deck and then start over.
Speaker 1: I think you want to value the fact that you're
Speaker 1: we're all in a process called growth. Yeah. I love that,
Speaker 1: And I think you know to both of your points.
Speaker 1: Like you often find even if it feels like you're
Speaker 1: doing a total like on a personal level, a total
Speaker 1: career change, life change, whatever. I often just see I've
Speaker 1: seen it in my own life and with friends that
Speaker 1: like actually the exact things you need to do, the
Speaker 1: new thing you've kind of like backed into by doing
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. It's just kind of hard to
Speaker 1: know when you're doing that, you know, but you can
Speaker 1: just you can pull There's there's a lot of gold
Speaker 1: that I think can so easily just get thrown out
Speaker 1: instead of being like, oh, let me pull that into
Speaker 1: this cool application, like this new way of doing it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the same Ail Jackson thing is a great example because
Speaker 1: if your life experience, the thing you've been most into
Speaker 1: up to this point is using drugs are like substance abuse.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing to start over on, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people like when they kick that or you know,
Speaker 1: our in recovery, find a lot of success, but they
Speaker 1: also a lot of the time we'll talk about how
Speaker 1: that failure is a huge part of their success, right,
Speaker 1: like all the all the failures, like actually embracing the
Speaker 1: dark parts as opposed to I think in America we
Speaker 1: tend to like this idea of you know, this person
Speaker 1: just stays winning. They're just like always, you know, it's
Speaker 1: victory after victory, and you know, they're just pulling themselves
Speaker 1: up by their bootstraps. And it's like, well, no, you
Speaker 1: have to you have to be willing to embrace the
Speaker 1: darkness and the bad parts. Yeah, a thousand percent. And
Speaker 1: often like right in the what is that quote that
Speaker 1: I think is subscribe vibed or attributed to Joseph Campbell
Speaker 1: that what something about in the cave lies the treasure
Speaker 1: you seek? Like often the the dark stuff is you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully that's been the what's also been helping you build
Speaker 1: and learn and grow all the stuff? Right? I think
Speaker 1: it's the night is always darkest before the dawn? Is
Speaker 1: that that was Harvey which isn't true, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because it's nighttime and then essentially it
Speaker 1: does have to be at its darkest point to then
Speaker 1: transition to the light. Sure, but yeah, definitely before at
Speaker 1: some point because they're coming out of the night, but
Speaker 1: not like immediately before. There's like a whole sunrise thing
Speaker 1: that has to happen anyway, that's right. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's both highly optimistic and I feel like really daunted
Speaker 1: by it at the same time, which is I think
Speaker 1: true for a lot of adages. Right, Yeah, express, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? You've got Mail Romantic Comedy.
Speaker 1: Now hold on before before you close this, uh recording session?
Speaker 1: You stay, We stay with me. You're both like, wow, kay,
Speaker 1: it was cool and now complete point of view change.
Speaker 1: You've got Mail rom com Yes, starring mcgrin and Tom Hanks,
Speaker 1: but more notably guest starring Dave Chappelle, Great Kenear, Parker Posey,
Speaker 1: Steve Son. Here's the thing about this movie. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, when I was in high school, I
Speaker 1: got my wisdom teeth taken out. My dad rented all
Speaker 1: these VHS tapes for me to watch when I was recovering,
Speaker 1: and I kept going back to that movie not sure why,
Speaker 1: and then I that kept happening, like it's a movie
Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch of times. But I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, I have met so many people who are
Speaker 1: the last person you would expect to like that movie.
Speaker 1: And like a very dear friend of mine who's incredibly
Speaker 1: he's from Queen's incredibly talented rapper artist. I was like,
Speaker 1: one day we were hanging out, I mentioned a line
Speaker 1: from that movie, just like not even thinking about He's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that movie. And I was like, what you
Speaker 1: love that movie. Recently, a friend who's an installation artist,
Speaker 1: like just like very like artist person, was like, I
Speaker 1: love that movie. And my husband is like, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: like that movie, and she was like I know, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I shouldn't like that movie, Like it goes
Speaker 1: against everything that I am. But I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1: A friend of another friend of mine told me that
Speaker 1: he had done a breakdown of the script of that
Speaker 1: movie and it's like perfectly symmetric. So I have this
Speaker 1: theory that it's just like a weird calming mechanism from
Speaker 1: my brain to watch that movie, like the way that's
Speaker 1: symmetry things that symmetry can be anyway. I also just
Speaker 1: have to say the supporting cast is amazing, Like Chappelle
Speaker 1: is fantastic, great Canear is like so subtle you don't
Speaker 1: even realize he's acting so good, and the little kid
Speaker 1: who's his brother saying, oh, Miles, thank you. I'm there
Speaker 1: to Kate, you know, the devil knows his own and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I know. I mean, like I I've watched
Speaker 1: that movie a lot more than I care to tell
Speaker 1: people that I have. Because also, like when you start watching,
Speaker 1: like yo, the plot will also I think the plot
Speaker 1: holes like started like I'm like, hold on, you haven't
Speaker 1: figured out who you are to each other quite yet.
Speaker 1: This feels a little like very unrealistic, but not to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm like I'm done with this there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. If it's like the
Speaker 1: aesthetic of like late nineties New York and like like
Speaker 1: mega stores aren't still a thing, so like you're like,
Speaker 1: oh right, yeah this is cool and people a little
Speaker 1: apple laptops and ship. Yeah. Politically it's weird because it's
Speaker 1: like Barnes and Nobles is taking over and that's just
Speaker 1: what happens. Just like yeah, she's like I still call them,
Speaker 1: we still love them. The moral is a little odd now,
Speaker 1: but I think when you're in a vacuum, I'm like
Speaker 1: I feel the same way like there's something Yeah, to
Speaker 1: your point, kid, I feel like plot holes and things
Speaker 1: that are like the moral is weird, Like that's almost
Speaker 1: a testament to the spell of the movie. Like that's
Speaker 1: what Christopher Nolan makes, movies that are just like riddled
Speaker 1: with plot holes. But it's like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: him showing off that he can like spin this web
Speaker 1: of like movie magic that we just like won't notice them,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I feel like that's a good example
Speaker 1: of a movie that we should have hated and when
Speaker 1: we rewatch it now we should be like, well, this
Speaker 1: isn't good because this is like a love story in
Speaker 1: which Sam Walton like sneakily seduces like a local like
Speaker 1: mom and pop store owner. But it just works because
Speaker 1: it's Tom Hanks obviously and Meg Ian obviously, but also
Speaker 1: just like a really well done movie. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's the new love. Like Love actually for a while
Speaker 1: was the movie that like a lot of really like
Speaker 1: very smart people were like, no, it's actually great, and
Speaker 1: I would disagree with them, but then when you watch it,
Speaker 1: you kind of get it. I feel like that we're
Speaker 1: having that moment for you Got Mail. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: just such great points. And it's making me think about
Speaker 1: you know, because it's also like it's a movie that
Speaker 1: I've watched over so many years, and to your point
Speaker 1: about like the moral issues of it, like a thousand percent,
Speaker 1: you know, it's making me think like, well, what is
Speaker 1: it about that movie? I also think it's Nora Fron,
Speaker 1: you know who who wrote and infected it and and
Speaker 1: and actually was not like if you read her essays,
Speaker 1: she was she was very feminist, like she was not
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like sugary romcom person At least
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it's so I think some some
Speaker 1: of that must be a play. Yeah, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of an enigma, that movie, but but worth worth
Speaker 1: like one fine day over you've got male personally, But
Speaker 1: oh my god, I actually recently rewatched that on Hulu,
Speaker 1: Miles and the opening scene of that, like to your
Speaker 1: point about nostalgic New York, like it's raining, it's a Brownstone.
Speaker 1: You can see in all these warm, glowy windows. You're like,
Speaker 1: wrap me up in this blanket, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: maybe like I was so confused watching that movie growing
Speaker 1: up in l A my whole life. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: do these schools work and like they walk across town
Speaker 1: to ship. I'm like this, this hasn't made up, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know what this magical fairytale and this guy's
Speaker 1: in Barbados who be a R B A D O S.
Speaker 1: I just remember so many wildlines from that. I don't
Speaker 1: remember that movie at all, Like that didn't even Yeah,
Speaker 1: George Clooney, Michelle Pfeiffer, it's it's it's a deep cut
Speaker 1: shack like it's a from arrested development as a child.
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, yes, maybe it'll be the next one
Speaker 1: that has a like second life in the in the
Speaker 1: z cast God, I feel like I have to do
Speaker 1: a whole like just soul deep dive of if You've
Speaker 1: Got Mail? I just like, what is it about these things?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Also too, if it maybe hearkens back
Speaker 1: to A like when I think of when I saw
Speaker 1: it and I was truly like A I had no responsibility,
Speaker 1: and so like are like glimpses into like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like A the economy seems good
Speaker 1: enough in these films, like maybe being an adult isn't
Speaker 1: that bad And then you're like this isn't like one
Speaker 1: fine day or like anything I saw like Mad Max. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing about it is real. Yeah except for the Yeah
Speaker 1: Sam Walton, like the bookstores like dark As, like I
Speaker 1: feel very conflicted about because my my mom is a librarian,
Speaker 1: Like I grew up supporting independent bookstores, Like I actually
Speaker 1: feel deeply conflicted about it, and yet I just share
Speaker 1: that I believe that it's underrated. So there's some there's
Speaker 1: there's some more soul searching to do there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, I don't know what it is about it.
Speaker 1: My mom's a librarian, my dad is the CEO of
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble. But they looked happily ever after. I
Speaker 1: don't get it. What does it mean? Yeah, he bought
Speaker 1: a house next to this library, claimed evanent domain, demolished it,
Speaker 1: and then built his first story. It was cool, I know,
Speaker 1: like Dabney Coleman shows up. Jean Stapleton is still like
Speaker 1: what it? What's happening. I also have a brother who's three. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? It's a modern American family. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back to talk news. And we're back, and we've
Speaker 1: been talking for a while. I think everybody has and
Speaker 1: talking for a while about how, uh just the existence
Speaker 1: of the n C double A, where they are the
Speaker 1: cops who make sure that student athletes who make it
Speaker 1: them and institutions billions of dollars aren't ever compensated for
Speaker 1: their work, Like that seems a little funny, right, And
Speaker 1: then the so the Supreme Court issued a ruling today
Speaker 1: that just felt like one of those moments where you've
Speaker 1: been living inside a certain brand of insanity for your
Speaker 1: entire life and suddenly someone who hasn't really been paying
Speaker 1: attention comes through and I was like, what the funk
Speaker 1: are you even talking about? Like what? It's just like
Speaker 1: so uh so they did they did not ment where
Speaker 1: it's here. This is just the Supreme Court pretty thoroughly
Speaker 1: owning the funk out of the you know, the n
Speaker 1: C double A, the what what a lot of people
Speaker 1: have called the modern equivalent of like the plantation system.
Speaker 1: So and they've been reigning Supreme with this same logic
Speaker 1: since there were like all white basketball teams. And let's
Speaker 1: just read directly from Brett Kavanaughs. I guess it was
Speaker 1: not the official ruling. It was like this, he was
Speaker 1: seconding it, like a hype man and really brought the
Speaker 1: energy like a hype man. He said. The n C
Speaker 1: double A couches its arguments for not paying student athletes
Speaker 1: in innocuous labels, but the labels cannot disguise the reality
Speaker 1: n C double as business model would be flatly illegal,
Speaker 1: and almost any other industry in America. All of the
Speaker 1: restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks
Speaker 1: wages on the theory that quote customers prefer to eat
Speaker 1: food from low paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to
Speaker 1: cabin law lawyer salaries in the name of providing legal
Speaker 1: services out of a quote love of the law. Hospitals
Speaker 1: cannot agree to cat nurses income in order to create
Speaker 1: a quote purer form of helping the sick. News organizations
Speaker 1: cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve
Speaker 1: a quote tradition of public minded journalism. And he keeps
Speaker 1: more examples because there's more examples, but they're all like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes absolutely. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits
Speaker 1: to camera crews to kindle a quote spirit of amateurism
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. And like those are direct quotes from like
Speaker 1: the main tenants of the n C double as argument that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a long tradition, we're trying to create
Speaker 1: a spirit of amateurism fans, right, the fans preferred it's
Speaker 1: a pure form of like athletic competition. And it's just like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: especially like when people would get in trouble or even
Speaker 1: getting a whiff of money, They're like, all right, asshole,
Speaker 1: you're I'll get out of here. What do you make
Speaker 1: the money off of your likeness? Because you are a
Speaker 1: star athlete and no one's paying you anything. Uh well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see that this is finally, you know, changing,
Speaker 1: or like something happened, But it feels like such a
Speaker 1: long time coming that it's wild to even think that
Speaker 1: this is a right that now we're we got Brett
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh writing these just wonderful, wonderful comparisons. Totally, I'm still
Speaker 1: stuck on all of those restaurants, law firms, hospital Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in Paperboy, like driving by these
Speaker 1: different parts of the neighborhood and he's just like listening
Speaker 1: them one at a time. Yeah, I mean, it's clearly
Speaker 1: based on like his vision of you know, small town America.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that this might be one of
Speaker 1: those situations where like arch conservatives come around to being
Speaker 1: right on certain things, and I think this is yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean, how do you argue that too, I mean,
Speaker 1: like something. But but who knows, They're probably gonna have
Speaker 1: a business decision where they're like Chipotle actually can pay
Speaker 1: the people whatever they want based on the vibes of
Speaker 1: the customers. Like I feel like, yeah, I'm I'm fully
Speaker 1: on the side of McDonald's for this, And you're like, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, just a second ago you were like you gotta,
Speaker 1: oh sure, but yeah, you'd like to see it. It's
Speaker 1: I like, the how unequivocal it isn't just you know,
Speaker 1: destroying their arguments. Yeah. One of our writers back at
Speaker 1: Cracks brought us an article about like just the most
Speaker 1: withering like owens in the history of Supreme Court decisions.
Speaker 1: And they're really funny and like super sarcastic. A lot
Speaker 1: of them seemed to be from like modern conservative ones,
Speaker 1: because I think they have like such a finely honed
Speaker 1: sense of moral outrage and like fixed opinions that they're
Speaker 1: just like dicks, which kind of scans, but this one,
Speaker 1: at least this one time, seemed to be absolutely earned
Speaker 1: and on the right side of history. So can what
Speaker 1: you can you start cutting athletes checks? Like do they
Speaker 1: are they now meant to benefit from this? Yeah. So
Speaker 1: they're saying that this is kind of a limited decision,
Speaker 1: but the language it indicates that the n C double
Speaker 1: A is pretty fucked because they are. They use this
Speaker 1: language on this very narrow ruling to indicate to Congress
Speaker 1: and the executive branch like, look, this is what we think.
Speaker 1: If you guys don't come up come up with like
Speaker 1: solutions to these problems, we're going to have to rule.
Speaker 1: And then like when the courts are out of step
Speaker 1: with like the laws, it's a mess. So this is
Speaker 1: them being like, hey, get your ship together. This is illegal,
Speaker 1: Like start passing laws that make it so. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: clear about it. Yeah, yeah, make it. So let's see
Speaker 1: some back some back wages paid to uh the last
Speaker 1: forty years of NC double A athletes. Maybe, uh, we
Speaker 1: only have a thirteen billion dollars delmet Like yeah, Elena
Speaker 1: Kagan's like, please stop crying. Someone's going to defenestrate themselves. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: but only from a first floor window. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not about that day life. Yeah, alright, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the thing we've all had in the back of
Speaker 1: our mind. Are we going to get free Budweiser products
Speaker 1: on the fourth of July? Is the stets were utterly fucked.
Speaker 1: We are we're not even close to getting the vaccination
Speaker 1: rates that we need by the fourth of July to
Speaker 1: get those sweet free swill beers that we have come
Speaker 1: to love in this country. Yeah, despite all of like
Speaker 1: the incentivizing and things like that, we are we're short.
Speaker 1: You know, I biden't want a hundred sixty million people
Speaker 1: fully vaccinated and seventy of the country with at least
Speaker 1: one shop fourth of July, and the we're with where
Speaker 1: we're at, like, you know, just over thirteen million people
Speaker 1: who still need to get a shot. To like reach
Speaker 1: those numbers, we would essentially have to be we would
Speaker 1: have to double the current vaccination rates that we have
Speaker 1: to reach that goal in time. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: a little disheartening, especially when you look in places like
Speaker 1: Missouri where the delta variant is beginning to take hold
Speaker 1: in that state. There's a reason why we're we want
Speaker 1: to vaccine. We want to be vaccinated to protect ourselves
Speaker 1: in these variants and to also slow the spread. Because
Speaker 1: we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. Is
Speaker 1: the numbers are so low in the South. Even if
Speaker 1: you're in an area that is at SEV, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that all of these there's a ripple effect that
Speaker 1: can occur from the lack of immunity or herd immunity
Speaker 1: in places that will very much completely destabilize things. And
Speaker 1: we can be looking at lockdowns again in the South, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I know, like now in Louisiana, they're like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you want a million bucks? Like they I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure on some level the government realizes to what it means,
Speaker 1: like aside from the rhetoric of just being like you, oh,
Speaker 1: you to listen to these doctors and these lips tell
Speaker 1: you to get a shot. That even the people who
Speaker 1: run the states who are conservatives, No, if your customers
Speaker 1: aren't healthy, you can't have a business. If your workers
Speaker 1: aren't healthy, you can't have a business. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, maybe that's what's motivating them
Speaker 1: to try and do things. But it's just such a
Speaker 1: it's just such a fucking American thing that we're in now.
Speaker 1: Like on top of having these vaccines that other parts
Speaker 1: of the world are begging for, there's all these people like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not even taking fuck it, it's gonna see you
Speaker 1: wait and see, wait and see. Ah. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: just not a it's just an alarming trend to be
Speaker 1: looking at because, yeah, you hope that even with these
Speaker 1: low numbers, like we can somehow maybe maintain you know,
Speaker 1: the public health that we're looking for. We're flying there
Speaker 1: for a while in terms of like the rate of
Speaker 1: people getting vaccinated, but then yeah, it seems like we
Speaker 1: hit the the max of like people who believe in science,
Speaker 1: which is apparently like six of Americans, and then from
Speaker 1: there it was just like, well, how are you going
Speaker 1: to get these people who don't want to get vaccinated?
Speaker 1: Like it's just completely I mean, the thing is, I
Speaker 1: know people who are just scared, like they believe in science,
Speaker 1: but they can't for whatever reason in their minds. It's
Speaker 1: a situation where I've heard two versions. One is, well,
Speaker 1: what if a more lit vaccine comes out in the future,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to buy PS five when PS
Speaker 1: six is coming out three months later. That's kind of
Speaker 1: like a classic reason to not get something right, like
Speaker 1: there could be something better in this vague could be better.
Speaker 1: That's one version. And then I see, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the weight and C type, which
Speaker 1: are like, you know, I've something like a friend of
Speaker 1: mine was like, fun, well, I want to his Laker game.
Speaker 1: I guess I should get vaccinated, like and that did
Speaker 1: more than like, yeah, I want to get it from
Speaker 1: my own health or my own safety or the safety
Speaker 1: of the people around me, because I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be excluded from the Lakers game, so
Speaker 1: like here we go. But it was never like a
Speaker 1: I think it's also about like these you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people in these information deserts too, where if
Speaker 1: you don't really talk, if you don't read the news
Speaker 1: or anything, you're at the mercy of whatever your co
Speaker 1: workers or peers are talking about all the time. And
Speaker 1: if that and if you got bum takes coming out
Speaker 1: of that crew, like I don't know, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't imagine what direction you'd be going in. But that's
Speaker 1: why I like regularly try and assure people I know
Speaker 1: it's like it's please don't be scared, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Please don't we there's not If there's a
Speaker 1: liddy one around the corner, then you can get the
Speaker 1: lady one too. Right now, let's try and let's let's
Speaker 1: keep our our safety in the front of our minds.
Speaker 1: Is it the needles? Do we think? Like? Are they scared? Person?
Speaker 1: I know I don't needle person. I know a few
Speaker 1: people who have are not like anti vax or like
Speaker 1: in the sense that they completely say like, do you
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do? Do you know what can
Speaker 1: happen to you? It's like, I honestly hate needles so
Speaker 1: much and I don't even leave the house yet, so
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need it quite yet, or
Speaker 1: you know, or that other stuff to those people, if
Speaker 1: they're any listening. I mean, when I got the vaccine,
Speaker 1: I could hardly feel it, and I remember saying to
Speaker 1: the person who gave me, I think it was the
Speaker 1: second shot. I was like, why I didn't even feel it,
Speaker 1: and he was this USC farm student. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the needles are so small on these, they're so good
Speaker 1: that you you know, you really don't. So I was
Speaker 1: bracing myself for my arm to be sawed off. When
Speaker 1: I got my I was like, here because I like,
Speaker 1: I was one of those kids who would like melt
Speaker 1: down at the doctor's office, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hated that ship, and my mom would
Speaker 1: like bribe me. She's like, you could eat like nine
Speaker 1: pounds of ice cream after this, like just sit still.
Speaker 1: And I remember bracing myself and be like, fuck it,
Speaker 1: here we go. And I was like, huh. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, shout out to you, nurse
Speaker 1: practitioner for that. That was It was good, right, you know.
Speaker 1: But Miles, you bring up such an interesting point of
Speaker 1: the very psychology of all of it. I mean really
Speaker 1: like and there's you know, from a marketing perspective, there's
Speaker 1: reptile brain ship happening where you're just like, I gotta
Speaker 1: get to that reptilian part of someone's brain that even
Speaker 1: if they're not an anti vaxtor they just don't want
Speaker 1: to do it, or something's blocking them or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It could be one of many things. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you psychologically appeal to this diverse set of
Speaker 1: of reasons? I think your point of talking with people
Speaker 1: around you mean that that's always a great solution, right
Speaker 1: for so many things that we're talking about, and I
Speaker 1: think just and the other thing is just like hearing
Speaker 1: people like express what they're saying, like I can be
Speaker 1: much more even though I'm not like living in a
Speaker 1: fear based model of apprehension around like vaccines and things
Speaker 1: like that. For some people they are and like, but
Speaker 1: then a lot of people get caught up in these
Speaker 1: are uments of trying to like even though it's more
Speaker 1: of an argument of like I'm afraid to get it,
Speaker 1: they want to introduce their own facts and figures to
Speaker 1: try and bolster their arguments, like, well, this isn't actually
Speaker 1: about a philosophy, like this is a philosophical argument, This
Speaker 1: isn't about data, because if it were, you could look
Speaker 1: at a lot of the data that would probably say
Speaker 1: this is okay, and versus like, if you're just afraid
Speaker 1: to get it, that's easier for me to wrap my
Speaker 1: head around, like to be like, Okay, you're just afraid
Speaker 1: and you don't know enough to figure out what's going
Speaker 1: on and being like, well, no, I'm not getting it
Speaker 1: because this in fact you said that, And then if
Speaker 1: you really look at what happened in Wuhant. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: because I don't think you even really believe this. I
Speaker 1: think this is unfortunately the vocabulary you've been given to
Speaker 1: express your fear around it because you aren't for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you don't understand enough. Yes, right, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the the beer thing is an example of something that
Speaker 1: like liberals would be able to get to, so I
Speaker 1: feel like doesn't appeal to the sorts of people, Like
Speaker 1: I think there's something that is keeping people, at least
Speaker 1: the people who are like getting there vaccine information from
Speaker 1: Fox News, which I think, like that information desert side
Speaker 1: of it is is real as fun, like whereas like
Speaker 1: the million dollar lotto like that that feels like something
Speaker 1: that if you win that you can like own all
Speaker 1: the lips lips you want, you know, So I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's like we just need to do oh you
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's like you could pants Joe Biden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a yeah, like coach offers to get a
Speaker 1: tattoo or like have their head shaved if they win. That's, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. You want to let's go for it.
Speaker 1: If that's what I gotta do, you can do it.
Speaker 1: I'm doing that dunk tank angle is so good. They
Speaker 1: should try just on a fucking as a laugh, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. If you're like in a deep
Speaker 1: purple said the government. Hey man, you can throw a
Speaker 1: pie at me if you if you get your if
Speaker 1: you're like eight lucky people, we can get their shot
Speaker 1: to get your you know, I get your photo and
Speaker 1: being like I I pied the governor. Man, that's cool
Speaker 1: that pig sorry from black Mirror, Yeah right, it's cool, man,
Speaker 1: I get it. No, no, we just said pants man,
Speaker 1: we just got I got you, I got you, Jack Joe.
Speaker 1: It almost seems like you want to suck that pig now, man. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no got gold's got gold. You just all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and let's talk about an alternate way of
Speaker 1: dealing with the pandemic that was proposed during the Trump administration,
Speaker 1: because yeah, we're starting to get starting to get the goods,
Speaker 1: the little tidbits from people who are inside, who were
Speaker 1: on the inside and got to see firsthand what things
Speaker 1: look like. And you know, we're caught up in the
Speaker 1: dragnet of like anger and investigations into leaking that kept
Speaker 1: some of this information from coming out. There's a new book.
Speaker 1: It's called Nightmare Scenario. Okay, this is an expert. There's
Speaker 1: a few of these experts that are coming from this
Speaker 1: book called Nightmare Scenario that comes from people who are
Speaker 1: working in the administration during the COVID response, And yes, February,
Speaker 1: they're in the situation room and the all these administration
Speaker 1: officials are trying to figure out, like, like what do
Speaker 1: we do, Like we've got people who like on that
Speaker 1: Diamond Princess cruise, you have people abroad who have collect
Speaker 1: We need to figure out what we do, like how
Speaker 1: can we bring them home? And Trump asks this group
Speaker 1: of officials in the situation room, don't we have an
Speaker 1: island that we owned? What about Guantanamo? We import goods,
Speaker 1: We're not going to import a virus. And his whole
Speaker 1: thing was get infected Americans and ship them off to
Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay, where we currently keep political prisoners or you know,
Speaker 1: perceived terrorists or anyone who has run afoul of American
Speaker 1: foreign policy to also be like yeah, yeah, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: put people with COVID there and create a like sick
Speaker 1: Island for to help keep the country safe or at
Speaker 1: least hide what is actually happening. And this book goes
Speaker 1: on because you know, we knew that he hated testing.
Speaker 1: He was always like the testing is bad or like
Speaker 1: we've always read reports, He's like, I hate the testing
Speaker 1: because then people know how bad the situation is here.
Speaker 1: And at one point he gotten his full blown screaming
Speaker 1: match with alex as Er And I was in this
Speaker 1: article about these this book, so many things he just
Speaker 1: yelled within earshot of people, like nothing was really confidential
Speaker 1: at a certain point because he's just so reactive and angry.
Speaker 1: So at one point he's yelling to alexas are testing
Speaker 1: is killing me? Uh so loud as they said, his
Speaker 1: aids to have overheard every word of this conversation. I'm
Speaker 1: going to lose the election because of testing. What idiot
Speaker 1: had the federal government due testing? As Are responded, Uh,
Speaker 1: do you mean Jared as in Jared Kushner, who was
Speaker 1: put in charge to spearhead the testing strategy. So it's
Speaker 1: like filled with all these like you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's like as bad as it sounded. And his
Speaker 1: like dictator tendencies were as extreme as you'd believe, even
Speaker 1: though like his reaction, his first instincts are basically very
Speaker 1: draconian and authoritative book, which is like but then put
Speaker 1: him somewhere that he can't be seen, and for him,
Speaker 1: it's more just like hie to the dirt pile in
Speaker 1: the corner we've got is coming over more than like
Speaker 1: I feel I have the right to move people and
Speaker 1: put them there. He's like, hide our shame, Hid our shame.
Speaker 1: Totally talk about shoving stuff in a cave or like
Speaker 1: where you can't see it, Like, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: things must be super awkward now at like anytime Trump
Speaker 1: and Ivanka and Jared get together, because apparently he is
Speaker 1: blaming Jared for like all his failures his quote failures,
Speaker 1: I should say, like his failure, one of them being
Speaker 1: the like human rights work, like the remember when there
Speaker 1: were those random things where he was like doing prison
Speaker 1: reform and everyone's like, wait, what the fund is happening?
Speaker 1: Why is he doing like the race and in like
Speaker 1: an island of just madness and reactionary political violence, and
Speaker 1: he apparently that was all Jared and he was reported
Speaker 1: saying behind the scenes, like Jared fucking killing me with
Speaker 1: this like, and they're not even going to vote for me.
Speaker 1: They're being black people, black Lives Matter activists. Absolutely, look
Speaker 1: at that, Look at how you've reduced people to these
Speaker 1: weird customers. So you're like, but I did, we didn't
Speaker 1: give away. You're coming back. I feel like that. That
Speaker 1: do you mean, Jared? It's just like, do you mean
Speaker 1: such a great to the insanity? Right? Yeah? Oh really, asshole?
Speaker 1: You mean the child doll that you put in charge
Speaker 1: of it with the porcelain face, who was like just
Speaker 1: gonna go down his like rolodex to figure out the pandemic. No,
Speaker 1: owned by the guy who swept Jeffrey Epstein under the
Speaker 1: rug when he was Yeah, so he knows a thing
Speaker 1: or two about sweeping things under the rug unsuccessfully. Yeah. Yeah. Still, alright,
Speaker 1: let's do a quick update on the drought. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about it a week a half ago. Since then,
Speaker 1: it's become one of the most extreme heatwaves ever observed
Speaker 1: in the Western United States this early, like in June,
Speaker 1: fires are worsening. Fire conditions are at an all time
Speaker 1: worst case scenario. Air quality, which we talked about expecting
Speaker 1: to see that become a problem as it did last
Speaker 1: year when there are fires everywhere, air quality is low,
Speaker 1: and you know, seems like it's headed lower. Phoenix saw
Speaker 1: their worst air quality since nine eight last week. Soil
Speaker 1: moisture is at the lowest levels in a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty years, which you may recognize as before the dust bowl,
Speaker 1: and it's just like creating these tender box conditions. The
Speaker 1: second largest reservoir in California has gotten so low that
Speaker 1: a hydro electric dam is going to have to shut
Speaker 1: down this summer for the first time ever. At full capacity,
Speaker 1: the dam produces electricity that can power eight hundred thousand homes,
Speaker 1: which I didn't really have a reference for that, but
Speaker 1: speaking of San Francisco, San Francisco has four hundred thousand homes,
Speaker 1: So it's to San Francisco's that this dam provides electricity
Speaker 1: for and they're going to have to just straight up
Speaker 1: shut it down. And this is the Central Valley's worst
Speaker 1: drought since nineteen seven, which is, you know, the agricultural
Speaker 1: bread basket of much of America. Farmers are being forced
Speaker 1: to leave their fields fallow. One farm they interviewed is
Speaker 1: having to leave a third of their acres empty and
Speaker 1: having to spend like tons and tons of extra money
Speaker 1: to like dig even deeper to get like supplemental water
Speaker 1: out of like wells. So I just wanted to present
Speaker 1: all that information in the context of this article coming
Speaker 1: from the Federalist, which is all about how Chippotle has
Speaker 1: had to raise their prices by four percent and this
Speaker 1: author is not having it. Are just conservative outlet. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read the beginning. Chicken ball, brown rice, black
Speaker 1: and pinto beans, pico hot salsa, lettuce, cheese, sour cream.
Speaker 1: That's all I want, and I want it for seven
Speaker 1: sixty plus tax. Thanks to the ill named American Rescue
Speaker 1: Plan and remarkably shortsighted employment decisions, the federal government has
Speaker 1: jacked up the price of my Chipotle order. Sure, the
Speaker 1: restaurant is the one raising its prices by about four percent,
Speaker 1: but the federal government is the cause. Four percent, by
Speaker 1: the way, is thirty cents. So she blames this on
Speaker 1: them raising minimum wage or putting pressure on people to
Speaker 1: raise the minimum wage by giving better unemployment benefits during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. She says, give people a living wage they
Speaker 1: demand for entry level jobs that were never intended to
Speaker 1: supper wort full families. So that's her very okay, So
Speaker 1: what's your plan for someone's upward mobility? Then yes, like
Speaker 1: otherwise shut the funk up. The need to reach out.
Speaker 1: They need to send a mass email to people that
Speaker 1: their dad's went to college with who are also in
Speaker 1: the Federalist Society, and then there they'll get a job
Speaker 1: that basically requires them to write an opinion piece once
Speaker 1: every month and they'll get paid handsomely for it. That's
Speaker 1: what they should do. How about how about she works,
Speaker 1: Maybe she you know, like her burrito price can say
Speaker 1: the same. She just has to work in the Central
Speaker 1: Valley for a week in the middle of July in
Speaker 1: the hot sun, and just just see if there's a
Speaker 1: there's a p o V change. Yeah, maybe talk to
Speaker 1: the other Republicans that make sure it's okay for them
Speaker 1: to use the kind of labor that they use. While
Speaker 1: on the other side argue about like these migrant crises
Speaker 1: that are occurring but also are very hush hush that
Speaker 1: they're also they helped ensure that this form of labor
Speaker 1: can exist as well, Like it's just a but that's
Speaker 1: it's such a clear redirect of like so they're these
Speaker 1: like just blind capitalistic shortsighted decisions that America has been
Speaker 1: making four decades now that have led to you know,
Speaker 1: out of control global warming that are leading to more
Speaker 1: frequent droughts and more frequent fires. And you know, the
Speaker 1: shortsighted decisions of a Republican president led to America having
Speaker 1: just a disastrous pandemic response. And these are things that
Speaker 1: are like making the supply chain just incredibly like fucked
Speaker 1: and fragile and just in a really bad position. And
Speaker 1: she's blaming, like she just chose this one thing, the
Speaker 1: fact that people are able to make slightly better wages
Speaker 1: thanks to pandemic like unemployment relief, which like at a
Speaker 1: time when like so many crises are being caused by
Speaker 1: like that side of the political world. It's just wild
Speaker 1: that they've chosen the raising of the prices being paid
Speaker 1: to like the people who serve them food as like
Speaker 1: a as the cause of all evil in the country. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: classic tactic, just redirect that anger because and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to go for the I'm mad my burrito bowl went
Speaker 1: up a few cents crowd to try and really get
Speaker 1: the steam engine rolling. And for these mid terms, like folks,
Speaker 1: I wonder how many I'm wonder if this is because
Speaker 1: we've seen this specific thing come up a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is part of it too. I
Speaker 1: know the immigration thing is going to be a huge
Speaker 1: part of the mid term TAC plan for conservatives, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if that goes hand in hand with
Speaker 1: Like I don't if you guys noticed how much Chipotle
Speaker 1: has gone up, because inflation is the other thing I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna try and exploit in terms of being
Speaker 1: like Joe Biden wants all this infrastructure stuff, what about inflation.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chippotle has already gone up, Like you know,
Speaker 1: who knows what kind of fucking sick web they're going
Speaker 1: to try and weave. But yeah, yeah, look at the
Speaker 1: real Yeah, I mean, this is why I hope this
Speaker 1: is the direction that they take it, because like just
Speaker 1: having one person be like I want it for seven
Speaker 1: sixty instead of seven ninety is like such an arbitrary
Speaker 1: like price difference that I feel like it's not going
Speaker 1: to sway anyone. They just sound spoiled and veetulant at
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah. Yeah, w I I f M, what's
Speaker 1: in it for me? Yeah? Totally totally. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: really good point to Jack, just that like the thirty
Speaker 1: cent thing is like, yeah, you don't create you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully a big crowd sway off of that, you just
Speaker 1: sound like how she sounds Yeah, And again it's like
Speaker 1: it's just so such a hollow, dumb, fucking take. When
Speaker 1: you're essentially you're vilifying people for not wanting to work
Speaker 1: for sub subsistence wages, that's the thrust of it, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, there, how dare people want to ask for
Speaker 1: subir want more than subsubsistence wages? And then also if
Speaker 1: your worldview is well, those jobs aren't meant to raise
Speaker 1: a family on, well then let's keep going. Because you're
Speaker 1: at the Federalist. You're some fucking galaxy brain to know it,
Speaker 1: all right, Kelsey, tell me what then? How what is
Speaker 1: the path? Right if you're someone who is there and
Speaker 1: this isn't the the ultimate stop in your employment career,
Speaker 1: what is the next step? Because let's say this person
Speaker 1: doesn't have a college degree and does have a child
Speaker 1: or maybe two, and doesn't have time to go to
Speaker 1: school and get a degree at a university, maybe some
Speaker 1: night classes, but for right now, this is what it's
Speaker 1: going to be. What what can you do to alleviate
Speaker 1: those those forces that are acting on them, to help
Speaker 1: create some form of upward mobility for them, because if
Speaker 1: you're not pivoting off of that, then you're just wasting
Speaker 1: your fucking time with just this, you know, take from
Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce and to say, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: such a it's just the disconnect is so it's just
Speaker 1: so laughably obvious, right, just the disconnective. It's about me
Speaker 1: and my bowl. Where does that bowl come from? Where?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, it's just literally writing the illustration
Speaker 1: of the wall that you have around yourself. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think I think just in general, this is just
Speaker 1: sort of how conservatives work. They they'll we've seen it
Speaker 1: even in their policy now. They don't have actual solutions
Speaker 1: to anything, like they don't. All they can do is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they want open borders. Okay, well so
Speaker 1: let's talk about what. So where do you think the
Speaker 1: sources of people coming here? And what is your what's
Speaker 1: your plan for that? Don't just go that's what they
Speaker 1: want America first, and then you're not gonna fucking solve anything.
Speaker 1: And I think, but again, I think we were so
Speaker 1: polarized right now that people just take whatever the little
Speaker 1: letter they see next to someone's name in a lower
Speaker 1: third on like a news animal and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with this thing, and I won't give it
Speaker 1: much critical thought past that. On both sides, like whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, the terrible dehumanizing immigration policy from the
Speaker 1: left and the right, but both times that people are like, yeah, this,
Speaker 1: this could be an improvement, maybe it's better. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just a there's a much more connective way to
Speaker 1: have an actual conversation versus a pointing at yeah. And
Speaker 1: I mean you look at just what the Federalists posted
Speaker 1: on Monday, one of their top posts, Juneteenth quote unquote
Speaker 1: celebrations repeatedly turned violent with shootings. You know, this is
Speaker 1: like right, this, yeah, this is what they have to
Speaker 1: feed their their viewers to sort of keep up this,
Speaker 1: you know, really dark, racist, cishet normalized whatever version of
Speaker 1: the world they want to live in. Her pinned tweet
Speaker 1: Kylie example, who looks like you know, she's like, is
Speaker 1: can we cancel Dr Fauci instead of Dr Seuss. So
Speaker 1: that's the level of like, oh my god, you've done it. Wow,
Speaker 1: nailed him king. That's from March. That's from early March.
Speaker 1: First of all, Dru's real name is ted geisl Kylie,
Speaker 1: but what is it from from March? Yeah, from March.
Speaker 1: So she was like, this is a winner, and I
Speaker 1: have officially nailed it. She also pointed a thing where
Speaker 1: she said, this child is leaving school because of critical
Speaker 1: race theory. H they got some like articulate fifteen year
Speaker 1: old to just put a scripted speech in front of him.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, you see what's going on here?
Speaker 1: This kid is he has to leave now to go
Speaker 1: to a private Christian school because they're teaching him about history.
Speaker 1: They're not teaching critical race theory in elementary schools. You
Speaker 1: just see the like for remember when remember when everyone
Speaker 1: on the right was using Orwellian it was just always
Speaker 1: about or well all the time. You just get these buzzwords.
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to see the email that goes out.
Speaker 1: That's like, put this in. Just put this in and
Speaker 1: share it, share it widely. Just use or Well. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you haven't read n it's fine. Put
Speaker 1: it in there. Yeah. I would just like to read
Speaker 1: this child's autobiography so far and like how how she
Speaker 1: sustained a media career. I mean probably on the right.
Speaker 1: The rules are slightly different, Like you don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: to do an internship that pays zero dollars because the
Speaker 1: Koch brothers are willing to pay any young person who
Speaker 1: puts a our next to their name. But yeah, just
Speaker 1: where her sense that it's not like people who work
Speaker 1: at Chipotle a families to raise where that comes from?
Speaker 1: I'd be interested. Well, it's also not my responsibility, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're in a air coam, like we have to
Speaker 1: like I figured it out on my own and like
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure it out on their own.
Speaker 1: I think is ultimately like where you will arrive with
Speaker 1: people like that who have absolutely zero empathy. Yeah, all right, Kate,
Speaker 1: it has been such a pleasure having you on the
Speaker 1: daily geist. It has been that's a pleasure. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you and follow you? I'm mostly on Instagram
Speaker 1: at Kate Scott campbells Kate with a C C A T.
Speaker 1: Scott Campbell, on Twitter at Campbell Kate, Kate Scott Campbell
Speaker 1: was too long, and Kate Scott Campbell dot com. Usually
Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing, I post updates right over there. Nice
Speaker 1: and is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying. Oh yes, my good
Speaker 1: friend Rachel Axler at Rachel Axler recently tweeted the key
Speaker 1: that's been stuck to my forehead for two months just
Speaker 1: fell off, So I guess we know how long this
Speaker 1: scene lasts, which I really appreciated. It was so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And then someone wrote back and said that the magnet
Speaker 1: effect rows off when the microchip finds its final resting
Speaker 1: place in your brain. So everything is proceeding exactly to plan.
Speaker 1: Boom feels that time way for all the vaccination uh
Speaker 1: speak Rachel is uh I as your tweet shows this
Speaker 1: is fully vaccinated. So miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram? Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: Also the other show for twenty Day Fiance. For the
Speaker 1: fans of Weed and ninety Day Fiance, come over there
Speaker 1: to the calm waters of that show. Some tweets that
Speaker 1: I like. First, one is from at Nick Adams web tweeting,
Speaker 1: tell your father to google L A S D Gangs.
Speaker 1: Ye have your dad do that? Make sure you know
Speaker 1: that the Sheriff's department have gangs in them, you know,
Speaker 1: in case they didn't know. Uh. Next one is from
Speaker 1: Jenny at Jenny pe and tweeted, my eleven year old
Speaker 1: just screamed across the skate park, Mom, did you ever
Speaker 1: get our health insurance reinstated? I want to do a trick? Uh?
Speaker 1: Very real? And another one is from at paenis p
Speaker 1: A y n us three? Uh? And then that tweet
Speaker 1: is garbage men and pick up artists should switch names?
Speaker 1: And you know what? I like that garbage man and
Speaker 1: pick up artists. I just want to pick up. I'd
Speaker 1: say that a garbage person is a pickup artist in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Right, Yeah, the art of the
Speaker 1: figure easily do it so smoothly. Some tweets I've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: Hannah Michael's tweeted, is there a class of med school
Speaker 1: called how to assume your patients have fax machines? Uh? Sarah?
Speaker 1: How you tweeted We'll never understand the impulse to wish
Speaker 1: us a leb a happy b a day on Twitter?
Speaker 1: How can so many people be wishing the coole kidman
Speaker 1: a happy birthday? Uh? I am baffled by that as well,
Speaker 1: So always like, why is this celebrity trending? Did they
Speaker 1: say something horrible. Do they do something awesome? No, it's
Speaker 1: just their birthday. It's just their thirty seventh birthday. The funk.
Speaker 1: Why why is that something that I need to care about? Um?
Speaker 1: And then finally, Stacy Burns tweeted, as seen in the
Speaker 1: Phillips neighborhood of Minneapolis, and it is a long sign
Speaker 1: that says make the golf course a public sex forest.
Speaker 1: And there's just a picture of a map of a
Speaker 1: golf course with its just different old timey photographs of
Speaker 1: people having sex all over it. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a beautiful sentiment. And then when conservatives react to that negatively,
Speaker 1: we'll be like, Okay, well let's try a public park.
Speaker 1: Then that'll be like our way of widening the Overton
Speaker 1: window a little bit. You can find me on Twitter
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Speaker 1: that we talked about in today's episode, and we also
Speaker 1: link off to a song we think you might enjoy miles.
Speaker 1: What song are we linking off to? Two days? This
Speaker 1: is a little mash up of Drake uh and just
Speaker 1: some you know, some nice different kind of instrumental music
Speaker 1: behind it. And it's called Hey sus Cristo's Plan uh
Speaker 1: And it's obviously Drake's God Plan, God's Plan. And this
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