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Speaker 1: for the Valley Dodge Jersey's Hideo NoHo, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I've been on social media too much recently, but I
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Speaker 1: You got that Valley Jersey behind you. The valley it
Speaker 1: has a lot of problem. You're closed the Valley ship
Speaker 1: on the Laker jersey and people like, yo, that's for
Speaker 1: Phoenix man. The fund is that you do. It's been
Speaker 1: like five because it's the you know, that graphic is
Speaker 1: from the Phoenix Sun's jersey. That's just the valley on it.
Speaker 1: But when I saw that, I'm like, man, it's only
Speaker 1: one valleyast the San Fernando Valley, So let me put
Speaker 1: that ship on the Laker jersey and represent from my
Speaker 1: fucking town. And it's funny because one half I was
Speaker 1: telling Carl Tart because he has some ship to say too,
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, it's funny, man. Like everybody
Speaker 1: in the valley that I know, they are like knocking
Speaker 1: my door down to be like how do I get? Yeah,
Speaker 1: trash man, what is this? So it is what it's.
Speaker 1: But you know what always rep where you're from. Is
Speaker 1: there like a regional spec sophicity to who reps the
Speaker 1: Lakers versus the Clippers or is it just all Lakers everywhere?
Speaker 1: And then like some Clippers fans again in my life,
Speaker 1: it's the Contrarians that ended up being Clipper fans because
Speaker 1: even then, like growing up in the you know, like
Speaker 1: our first memories or the Showtime Lakers and then the
Speaker 1: Randy Fund years were absolutely abysmal, and you know that's
Speaker 1: when I think the real ones hung on. Obviously the
Speaker 1: Kobe Shacky years brought more people, but look, there's no
Speaker 1: geography to it. It's just, you know, you get down
Speaker 1: how you want to. I'm just saying, man, these these
Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns fans starting to feel feel themselves a little
Speaker 1: bit like they can come out your neck for for
Speaker 1: a jersey thing. I mean that they can. But just
Speaker 1: because they're about to win the championship. People, Yeah, for
Speaker 1: people who do you want to who get upset? I
Speaker 1: just say, you know what, I can never get mad
Speaker 1: at someone being proud of where they're from. And that's
Speaker 1: all that is. Has nothing to do with the Sun's
Speaker 1: just being me being proud, you know, San Fernando Valley Child,
Speaker 1: barring an injury, that's that's my pick is the Phoenix Suns. Well,
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Speaker 1: loved here on Daily se Guys. Please welcome Nicle Furma.
Speaker 1: What's up? How's welcome? Welcome? Thank you? I love that.
Speaker 1: I like doing that sound when I'm introduced room. You
Speaker 1: really went to parts of your voice I think to honor,
Speaker 1: like the tambre of the horn sound. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: hit the tamber you gotta get that. Yeah, exactly got
Speaker 1: a great hear you got a great here in Nicole.
Speaker 1: Thank you for going. Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I know you're l a based. Where are you from originally?
Speaker 1: Where'd you grow up? I'm eerginally from Kansas, actually from
Speaker 1: just outside Kansas City, Missouri and kans they're kind of
Speaker 1: all the same place. But yeah, I've lived there in
Speaker 1: my whole life. My middle name is Dorothy, so it's
Speaker 1: just a weird coincidence because my grandma's name is Dorothy,
Speaker 1: so I just got stuck with her middle name and
Speaker 1: I'm from Kansas. The Wizard of Oz was inspired by
Speaker 1: you guys, not the other way around. Right. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we definitely gave them some tips and some notes.
Speaker 1: What's something we don't get about Kansas? What what's something
Speaker 1: cool about Kansas. I just like everything is cool about
Speaker 1: Kansas and people don't understand that. Or also, people a
Speaker 1: lot of times think that I'm from a farm or
Speaker 1: like a small town to be like, oh, then this
Speaker 1: must be crazy for you living in l A. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's all these lights. You ever been
Speaker 1: to a strip mall before, like you, I've been to
Speaker 1: Scrip Westfield mall in the world exactly, Okay, okay, cool, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of that. I feel like that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing is like I'll usually describe it as just
Speaker 1: outside of Kansas City, so people understand that I'm not
Speaker 1: like a bumpkin from Tumbleweed Town. But it's like even
Speaker 1: if I was, you know, no hate it, like I'm
Speaker 1: not so pleasing, um, But yes, I think it's a
Speaker 1: it's a cool city. And like downtown, the downtown area
Speaker 1: has gotten really more residential and there's like a little
Speaker 1: light rail and people are, you know, walking downtown and
Speaker 1: doing a lot more down there now. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool city. My question I would like
Speaker 1: to ask when people are, you know, they have a hometown,
Speaker 1: they go back to what's the food that you can't.
Speaker 1: You can only get in your hometown or the thing
Speaker 1: that you desire. Maybe you can't get in other places,
Speaker 1: but the thing you desire when you go home. You
Speaker 1: know what's funny is well, it's like barbecue is Kansas
Speaker 1: City for sure, but I've never been like a huge
Speaker 1: barbecue person. So the first thing I thought of that
Speaker 1: was outside of that was this like sandwich place called Mr.
Speaker 1: Good Sense. It's just like a shitty sandwich place where
Speaker 1: you can get subway like subway style sandwich is more
Speaker 1: or less, and they just have a good sandwich called
Speaker 1: the Penny Club. It's got little rose pot, little turkey,
Speaker 1: little American cheese. It's like it's like trashy sandwiches, but
Speaker 1: they're really good. And I don't think that they have
Speaker 1: them anywhere but Kansas. I'm pretty sure. What's it called
Speaker 1: Mr Goods? Mr Good Sense? Floral sense like okay, scent,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like scent, like like a penny Okay, good
Speaker 1: That's what I would get when I go back there.
Speaker 1: It's just like a regular old sandwich Delli Fresh stops.
Speaker 1: That's right. So I like to see. That's what I
Speaker 1: like to ask. That's barbecue is good too, But Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just I don't know. I'm not that into I've
Speaker 1: never been super into it, so I don't have like
Speaker 1: a spot that I go, h like, Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: like the reference to strip malls as the number one
Speaker 1: feature of LA people being like have you ever seen
Speaker 1: this many strip malls to how many strip I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I I love l A, but
Speaker 1: that's what I think of. There's a lot of I
Speaker 1: feel like you're like, oh, I'm gonna go to like
Speaker 1: what was that restaurant twa Familia or whatever it was
Speaker 1: that was a really nice restaurant that was in the
Speaker 1: middle of a strip ball what's it called. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: the one that's like like RA follows Pizza is like
Speaker 1: the RA follows Pizza sign is still the thing, like
Speaker 1: when you go here, like is this the restaurant here exactly?
Speaker 1: And everybody was talking about what was this amazing restaurant
Speaker 1: and it was really good, but yeah, it was right
Speaker 1: in the middle of this weird strip molly type place,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's what I Yeah, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a second floor strip mall sushi place that I really
Speaker 1: liked in uh Santa Monica, and like second floor strip
Speaker 1: mall is usually like dentist or like, yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: trying to get any foot traffic. It's just like people
Speaker 1: on a mission. Yeah, but but they had good sushi. Alright, Nicole,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about. Trump is turning
Speaker 1: down the position of being speaker. That was something that
Speaker 1: was being bandied about. I didn't know that that was possible. Miles.
Speaker 1: You know the government better than I do, so you'll
Speaker 1: have to explain to me how it's possible that an
Speaker 1: unelected person could just be Speaker of the House. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about the man and compromise workers just coming out
Speaker 1: and saying fun retail jobs. We'll talk about that new
Speaker 1: Britney Spears article that hit the New York Times yesterday
Speaker 1: that gave us a little bit more detail. They got
Speaker 1: their hands on some sealed documents from the ongoing corp
Speaker 1: battle over her conservatorship. We will talk about Carl Nassa,
Speaker 1: the first active NFL player to come out as gay.
Speaker 1: All of that plenty more. But first, Nicole, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guest what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that is revealing about who you are? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. The most recent thing that I've been looking
Speaker 1: up is not that exciting. It's just bikini's. I've been
Speaker 1: like NonStop obsessing over the perfect bikini to find for
Speaker 1: the summer. And the best part about that is I've
Speaker 1: been looking at that stuff for like three days and
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to maybe where a bikini once this
Speaker 1: summer because that's I don't even go to the beach, right,
Speaker 1: that thing where you get an idea in your head,
Speaker 1: You're like, this is what the next three months are
Speaker 1: going to be, and then you're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think it's just an idea. Yeah, Like you're living
Speaker 1: at in your mind? Are you living at the beach
Speaker 1: every day? In my mind, I'm living at the Just
Speaker 1: in general, I feel like this summer, I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to be like super sexy this summer.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dress off scampy. I'm gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: flirting with everybody because we're free again. We're all vaccinated
Speaker 1: and out and about and yeah, and I'll be at
Speaker 1: the beach and you know whatever, sun and fun and
Speaker 1: having my butt out, but it's like I'm not. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my that's that's the idea. But the reality is
Speaker 1: I will probably be chilling in my apartment of the time,
Speaker 1: or not at the beach anywhere, but the beach. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I always picture l A summers like the nine to
Speaker 1: one oh or Saved by the Bell, like based on
Speaker 1: summers where they all worked at the beach club, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's just what it is, and hosting a
Speaker 1: beach ball around working at the restaurant. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's how I live summer. And the best part about
Speaker 1: just Too is I'm not even gonna be in l A.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to New York and like in
Speaker 1: like a week or two, I'm going to New York
Speaker 1: for two months. So I'm just gonna like, so you'll
Speaker 1: be like one of those people who puts a blanket
Speaker 1: out in Central Park and like the stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'll find a way. I'll find a way. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: buy the perfect bikini. I'm gonna put a blanket in
Speaker 1: Central Park in each for them. Maybe some like Wall
Speaker 1: Street person's like, hey man, you want to go to
Speaker 1: the Hampton's You like that's the plan. I'll advertise the
Speaker 1: goods at in Central Park and then someone will ask
Speaker 1: me to take a trip to the actual beach and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, I'm prepared, yeah for growing up here,
Speaker 1: I go to the beach. Seldom do I go to
Speaker 1: the beach, but you know, I'm I'm hoping to maybe
Speaker 1: make it out one or two more times. I went
Speaker 1: kayaking in the Marina for the first time. That was nice,
Speaker 1: nice and easy, nice and easy time in the calm waters.
Speaker 1: The waters are called Marina del Rey. Yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: just the water is real flat. You can just rent
Speaker 1: a kayak for like an hour and kind of go
Speaker 1: like in the in the Marina area where it's just
Speaker 1: I felt like I was getting real active and then
Speaker 1: very frustrated because I'm terrible at kayaking, but I got
Speaker 1: my shipped together about thirty minutes. Are those the boats
Speaker 1: where you go by yourself and you throw back and
Speaker 1: forth and they can but they have like tandem ones,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's all it's paddler's choice. I feel
Speaker 1: like the last time I was in a boat like
Speaker 1: that was a canoe and it tipped over, and so
Speaker 1: ever since then, I'm like you know what, I'm actually
Speaker 1: good that I have to throw myself. Yeah, these ones
Speaker 1: are very stable, so I felt very calm. The tipping
Speaker 1: factor wasn't quite there, so yeah, I encourage people to
Speaker 1: get out into the Yeah, there's still waters. Throw yourself
Speaker 1: out there in the marina. The Marina is known as
Speaker 1: the swinger hot spot of the West side of l A.
Speaker 1: F Y. I a therapist, like you know therapist in
Speaker 1: her mid sixties, was like, Marina. Yeah, you know the
Speaker 1: swinger hot spot. Hell yeah, that are always the most
Speaker 1: random people that are like, you know, they're getting late
Speaker 1: a million times and I'm like, happening. If you see
Speaker 1: a couple on with backwards life jackets in a just
Speaker 1: follow the the s s fox a lot. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised you went out there and nobody asked you to
Speaker 1: be a third. You didn't get invited to be someone's third.
Speaker 1: There was nobody out there. It was it was very
Speaker 1: it was very overcast, so I know it wasn't the
Speaker 1: best day. But next time I might just wear a
Speaker 1: shirt advertising down to fuck see what happens. You're down
Speaker 1: to jersey, you're doing clippers jersey. I feel like I
Speaker 1: might start actually incorporating. I got a pair of swim trunks,
Speaker 1: as I say, because I'm in my forties that are
Speaker 1: really nice and I like them a lot. And I've
Speaker 1: never like worn swim gear as like part of my clothing.
Speaker 1: But I think i might just start rocking it, like
Speaker 1: on the daily, even when I'm not planning on going
Speaker 1: to the y m c A. Because I'm an old person. Wait,
Speaker 1: what kind of swim trunks do you get? What are
Speaker 1: they like? Just like like, yeah, they're from like uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like the pattern they're they're
Speaker 1: like longboard shorts, remember those, you know? I like to
Speaker 1: I like to show off the the thigh's, get a
Speaker 1: little color on there. Otherwise it gets uh, people have
Speaker 1: to wear something glasses around me, show off that March
Speaker 1: Simpson thighat you have hot. Actually it's so far off
Speaker 1: that it's not Actually I'm not allowed to say it's
Speaker 1: Marge Simpson. It's Mark Samson. Fox doesn't hit you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get you don't want to get
Speaker 1: in rove for that. Yeah, that's great. It's funny whenever
Speaker 1: I think of someone wearing swim trunks, as you say,
Speaker 1: like in a non like water setting. I always think
Speaker 1: of a camp counselor yeah, like that's who, that's who.
Speaker 1: That outfit is what. I don't know many you never know,
Speaker 1: like these kids are gonna dropsh it on you. Just
Speaker 1: better to wear quick, dry clothing all the time. He's
Speaker 1: got to be prepared. But do you guys wear boxers
Speaker 1: under swim trunks? I never understood that, like they some
Speaker 1: of them do, right, No, Okay, it's not a look.
Speaker 1: It depends on maybe how generally comfortable you are with
Speaker 1: your nudity or something. I mean a lot of shorts
Speaker 1: have like the built in underwears, and so do you.
Speaker 1: I've never worn underwear. It just feels like, like, why
Speaker 1: would you wear a cotton that is gonna not dry
Speaker 1: underneath the thing that will drive very quickly? Just never
Speaker 1: quite made sense. Yeah, that never made sense to me either.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, if you're wearing the
Speaker 1: shorts out with your regular clothes as your outfit, are
Speaker 1: you going to be wearing a boxer that we're just going,
Speaker 1: you know, someone in my position, are you true to
Speaker 1: be prepared to? Are you ready to go? That's that's
Speaker 1: actually a question that I've had so far I've only
Speaker 1: worn it without but maybe maybe if I really want
Speaker 1: to make it a part of my rotation, I should
Speaker 1: probably think because it's not fully comfortable, you know, the
Speaker 1: netting and now yeah, and it's like a boxer brief
Speaker 1: and like the netting is not and you know I
Speaker 1: can get ill adjusted down there. So yeah, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't have to plan that one out for your look,
Speaker 1: for your summer look. Absolutely, I do appreciate, Miles that
Speaker 1: you turned it into turned me into a camp counselor,
Speaker 1: with like the zinc on my nose, tube around my waist.
Speaker 1: There's something about it too that feels very nineties to me.
Speaker 1: Wearing your chim trunks with like a T shirt and
Speaker 1: wearing it as an outfit feels very nineties. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta have this drink, You gotta have you a little
Speaker 1: tube berlot floaties on your arms like fo plea sunglasses
Speaker 1: with a strap on the back. Yeah, yes, exactly, do
Speaker 1: the whole look. It'll be a thing. It'll be your
Speaker 1: nuke like thing when you go out and everybody like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the guy. That's the guy that's always wearing slim trunk.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta have a brand yeah, Nicole is
Speaker 1: something you think is overrated. People will not like me
Speaker 1: when I say this, but reality TV I think is overrated.
Speaker 1: I well, it's one of those things where I when
Speaker 1: people start talking about reality TV, I completely two. Now
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. I can't listen. It seems
Speaker 1: it makes me uncomfortable to watch it. It feels like
Speaker 1: it's so staged and manipulative of people that it makes
Speaker 1: me feel anxious when I'm watching it, and I don't
Speaker 1: understand why so many people like it. I love it,
Speaker 1: and I get why people don't like it either, because
Speaker 1: I can tell to like when things are very overproduced
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, you took advantage of
Speaker 1: these people who just narrowly think they're on a TV show,
Speaker 1: but you're getting them to do things that are there.
Speaker 1: They're essentially embarrassing themselves, but but they get their ratings going.
Speaker 1: I think in that sense, uh yeah, I definitely see
Speaker 1: like those parts. And there are, you know, times when
Speaker 1: I look at certain shows and I'm like, why do
Speaker 1: you cast some of these people like this feels like
Speaker 1: you're playing a joke on them. Then I think the
Speaker 1: other part of it is probably just like schadenfreud of
Speaker 1: just being able to like comparatively be like ship man,
Speaker 1: I got a lot to be grateful for because fucked
Speaker 1: up relationship these people, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because it's like when I I love documentaries
Speaker 1: for that reason, because I'll watch a documentary be like damn.
Speaker 1: Like there's all these medical documentaries on YouTube where it's
Speaker 1: like the girl whose muscles turned to bone. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've seen anything like that, but you want
Speaker 1: to feel thankful for your life, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: so you watch all these like I watch all those
Speaker 1: kinds of medical documentaries and true, like I watched stuff
Speaker 1: that's really really but the reality of the reality stuff
Speaker 1: is where I can't do it, Like The Bachelor, and
Speaker 1: I know people love it, people go crazy for it,
Speaker 1: but it's just I can't connect to it. I can't
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, I guess that's not I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's overrated or just being like I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, in a sense, because it's something
Speaker 1: that is taking up a huge share of people's attention,
Speaker 1: like in terms of the kinds of media that's being consumed,
Speaker 1: and I think reality is one of those things. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have another podcast just talking about nine I would
Speaker 1: say that in that sense. Yeah, I get why you're
Speaker 1: coming with that take for sure, And I'm cheam Nicole
Speaker 1: on this one. I like watching that ship makes me
Speaker 1: uncomfortable enough that it's like burning calories, like I need
Speaker 1: a break to like make it through an episode of
Speaker 1: reality TV. It's it's it feels me the way that
Speaker 1: like being an introvert versus extrovert, like some people like
Speaker 1: get energy from watching reality TV, and like reality TV
Speaker 1: makes me exhausted. I'm just interesting. That's the same feeling.
Speaker 1: Feels like a study that may have something to it, right,
Speaker 1: what if it's repelling or like energizing to you what,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a they can start putting us in
Speaker 1: buckets based on the Yeah, I wonder if if some
Speaker 1: of it is tied to social anxiety or being an introvert,
Speaker 1: because I'm a socially anxious person and I'm an introvert
Speaker 1: even though I see him pretty outgoing. So maybe that's why,
Speaker 1: because maybe that's why I can't watch it because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm also introvert, same thing where I'm very you know,
Speaker 1: I can be energetic in certain situations, but I recharge
Speaker 1: being by myself, Like I don't get it from being
Speaker 1: out there socializing. So I don't know. It's but you're
Speaker 1: charged by being by yourself watching reality TV. So you're
Speaker 1: you're an enigma wrapped in a contradiction. You know, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. You know. One show that I was
Speaker 1: watching recently, though, that is reality TV that someone got
Speaker 1: me into was Alone. Have you guys seen that? I
Speaker 1: was just gonna ask if it was alone because I
Speaker 1: keep hearing about alone being like this great reality show
Speaker 1: that is like people who don't like reality TV like
Speaker 1: this show if you don't, Yeah, it's really it's actually
Speaker 1: really well done because it's the people that are competing
Speaker 1: on the show are only shooting themselves and so you're
Speaker 1: just getting more of like a real experience and you're
Speaker 1: more immersed in that, yeah, rather that people being like, hey,
Speaker 1: you use my hatchet? Yeah, oh yeah, that common problem
Speaker 1: with someone using someone else's hatchet. We don't know about that.
Speaker 1: But yes, it is like that. There's no like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like set up situations that feel a little
Speaker 1: bit scripted and manipulated by producers. No confessionals, none of
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Well, there's some kind of confessionals,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's pretty good. That's the only one I
Speaker 1: feel like recently, I'm like, Okay, I can watch this one.
Speaker 1: I can handle it. God, I can just see the
Speaker 1: reality TV like editing of has anyone seen my hatchet?
Speaker 1: Then like cut to the confessional being like, she just
Speaker 1: uses my hatchet. I told everybody that was my special hatchet,
Speaker 1: that no one else's hatchet from the Civil War. And
Speaker 1: then then like and then someone else comes on like
Speaker 1: her grandpa was racist, So I don't care. Did she
Speaker 1: say which side of the Civil War? Check checked the
Speaker 1: inscription on the blade. Okay, got's a Confederate inscription. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that hatchet. I'm gonna take the hatchet back.
Speaker 1: Thing is whistling Dixie. Okay, that's right, Nicole. What's something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Oh? You know what I think
Speaker 1: is underrated. It's teaching kids real life skills in school.
Speaker 1: Does that I think? Can that be a thing? Like
Speaker 1: I think about what are these skills you speak of?
Speaker 1: What like life skills? Because I just think it's crazy that, like,
Speaker 1: as an adult, I don't know how to do taxes
Speaker 1: at all, and I just depend on an accountant that's
Speaker 1: trained to do it. And if he told me to pay,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, I would I would be mad
Speaker 1: about it, but I would do it because I have
Speaker 1: no idea how to do taxes. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's crazy personally that we don't learn how to speak
Speaker 1: a second language, Like why do I not know how
Speaker 1: to speak Spanish when so many people speak Spanish? You know,
Speaker 1: things like that. So I think it's um. I think
Speaker 1: we don't learn enough real life skills in school, and
Speaker 1: so I don't understand why no one's calling that out
Speaker 1: and changing the curriculum. It's almost like they want to
Speaker 1: create a generations of people that can rely on these
Speaker 1: industries upend them with their ability to act independently. Taxes
Speaker 1: are so mind boggling. I'm like, please someone else, Like
Speaker 1: when half the time I'm sure if, like in school,
Speaker 1: someone's like, you know, like turbo taxes a scam? Right,
Speaker 1: you know there's free software you can use, right, you know, blog,
Speaker 1: But you don't grow up hearing any of that. So
Speaker 1: I just end up a mess, like at those zero
Speaker 1: hour begging people for suggestions on It's like I don't
Speaker 1: need to know Canthagorian theorem. I need to know how
Speaker 1: to fill out a W two. I still don't even know.
Speaker 1: Every time I fill it out, and like, wait, am
Speaker 1: I doing this right? Am I doing it wrong? Am
Speaker 1: I getting in trouble? I'm always worried that I'm the
Speaker 1: government's gonna one day just like knock on my door
Speaker 1: and arrest me for something I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: I did wrong. Well, that is the risk of not
Speaker 1: being white in this country also, so it's either way
Speaker 1: either way. They could just come on by right right, right, right.
Speaker 1: She can go left pretty quickly. They can't go left
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But yeah, I think that's I think that's underrated.
Speaker 1: The texting in particular is purely like in order to
Speaker 1: create an entire category of jobs, because like other countries,
Speaker 1: it's just like they give you your bill, They're like,
Speaker 1: here's what you I just heard about that recently. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that was a thing. I'm like, why
Speaker 1: don't they just give us a bill? Right? It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like being at a restaurant and then like after
Speaker 1: you're like, before you could say can I get the check?
Speaker 1: You gotta hire somebody to intervene and help like facilitate
Speaker 1: the transaction because you're like, hold on, man, you wrote
Speaker 1: down everything I fucking order. Don't you know what I
Speaker 1: owe you? You know what a noe? Please find your
Speaker 1: own bill cons you know whatever bill aggregat or whatever
Speaker 1: the title would be, to add up your bill and
Speaker 1: then you can pay us. And it's like if you
Speaker 1: do it wrong, will audit you? And if you do yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm paying this other person like fifteen bucks on
Speaker 1: top of whatever. He's gonna tell me, I, oh, what
Speaker 1: the yeah? And also that's the other thing. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: fifteen bucks. Sometimes you'll have to pay him thirty bucks.
Speaker 1: You don't know why. You don't know what the logic is.
Speaker 1: And then they'll tell as they're reading your bill at
Speaker 1: the restaurant, they'll tell you all these ingredients and things
Speaker 1: that you've never heard of. You're like, what is happening.
Speaker 1: I'll just trust you on this. I'm gonna trust you
Speaker 1: that that mac and cheese was twenty or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: you just like you start to get so frazzled. I
Speaker 1: just think it's crazy that we don't teach kids how
Speaker 1: to do that. There's a lot of things, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the always been the main one for
Speaker 1: me is I can't believe that I can have conversations
Speaker 1: with an accountant and I feel so lost and it's okay,
Speaker 1: and like that's just because we never got that education.
Speaker 1: There should be like in gym classes, like hey man,
Speaker 1: we're doing the change the car tire unit. Yes, s
Speaker 1: and you're like, yo, you don't have to have a
Speaker 1: real car be like here's a jack Understand they're jack
Speaker 1: points in every car, depending on what kind of car
Speaker 1: it is. And this is how you do it. Here's
Speaker 1: how you remove the nuts, this is how you put
Speaker 1: them back on. Exactly it is. It's it's exactly that
Speaker 1: I think. There's like, I mean interpersonal things, Yes, you
Speaker 1: can learn them from your parents, but it's like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you know, learn how to break up with someone
Speaker 1: instead of ghosting them, like little things like where it's
Speaker 1: like you just teach people to be like functioning humans
Speaker 1: in the world instead of teaching them. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say shape ever that seems to say that,
Speaker 1: but you know it's like who cares, like teach some
Speaker 1: some real ships that we can have humans that know
Speaker 1: how to do things. You know, well, we do have
Speaker 1: home mach and that's where we learn how to like
Speaker 1: recently with people, you learned how to operate a sewing machine,
Speaker 1: and I think I had to design my own cereal box.
Speaker 1: Where did you grow up? And there was like a
Speaker 1: baking thing I grew up. This was in Dayton, Ohio
Speaker 1: and Lexman, Kentucky. And you were saying you grew up
Speaker 1: in l a miles right. Yeah, see I grew up
Speaker 1: in Kansas obviously, and we I was having this conversation
Speaker 1: where I think a lot of Midwestern kids that we
Speaker 1: got home at because I like learned how to make
Speaker 1: a pair of pajama pants and a cookie or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we had home X still yeah, but that would
Speaker 1: be the perfect opportunity to like home economics, like what
Speaker 1: are the economic things that how to operate at home,
Speaker 1: how to operate an apartment, how to you know, figure
Speaker 1: out like what your budget needs to be at home?
Speaker 1: Would be a good thing to teach there. But instead
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, here's what they needed to know
Speaker 1: in the frontier days, like so something by hand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the frontier days, how to terrorize Native people and then
Speaker 1: it's your land. But yeah, I think like I didn't
Speaker 1: have home Max, but I had Spanish ever since second grade,
Speaker 1: and second language had to happen until I mean high school.
Speaker 1: I think it became optional or something after a certain point.
Speaker 1: But oh, really, see, that's very cool. I think that
Speaker 1: we should everybody should have that in school. My kid,
Speaker 1: my kid, I don't have a kid. My nephew. That
Speaker 1: was weird. My nephew goes to a school where they
Speaker 1: teach French. So you learned French and English obviously from
Speaker 1: you know, very young age. I think they should do
Speaker 1: that in all schools. I don't see why not that's
Speaker 1: cool that you learned Spanish so you can get influent. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I know enough to get by and not like,
Speaker 1: you know, express my needs to people at the very
Speaker 1: least my human needs. But like I can't get too
Speaker 1: common lex obviously. But yeah, I think, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it really is. There's a benefit to really having multiple languages.
Speaker 1: Like I grew up with my mom speaking Japanese to me,
Speaker 1: so I have had the benefit of growing up in
Speaker 1: like a bilingual household, and I don't it's I think
Speaker 1: it's not underscored enough what that does when you can
Speaker 1: when your mind, you're able to think in different languages
Speaker 1: and how that kind of opens pathways a lot for
Speaker 1: problem solving and things like that. So to the polyglots,
Speaker 1: you know, learn some languages. Even now I see so
Speaker 1: many people using babble and stuff like that, So get it,
Speaker 1: how you live. But I feel like there's also they
Speaker 1: should approach the business world like so so much of
Speaker 1: Like when when you talk to somebody about like investing
Speaker 1: and like your financial future, it's just it's like talking
Speaker 1: to somebody who just learned a foreign language and then
Speaker 1: they use that to their advantage to like create a barrier,
Speaker 1: so you don't know, like what the funk they're talking about.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if if we really wanted to like
Speaker 1: put everybody on equal footing, they would just teach you
Speaker 1: what all those words meant. Yeah, I think that is
Speaker 1: That's probably what it is, is just to keep their
Speaker 1: keep different classes of people or levels of knowledge so
Speaker 1: that people can be you know, divided in differently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because that's Yeah, it's like when you sign a contract.
Speaker 1: So many people sign a contract in the when they're young,
Speaker 1: you know, credit cards, whatever it is. Then they just
Speaker 1: sign their life away as the student loans or whatever
Speaker 1: whatever it can be. And we don't learn about how
Speaker 1: to deal with that stuff. We just have to experience
Speaker 1: it and mess up on the way. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back and just more more anecdotes about what
Speaker 1: former President Donald Trump is up to these days. One
Speaker 1: thing he's doing is turning down being Speaker of the House.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah. I mean, because I remember we talked
Speaker 1: about this wacky idea while back about how he could
Speaker 1: return with like a house run and then if they
Speaker 1: take the House, they would make him speaker to be
Speaker 1: like the ultimate troll king to Joe Biden. But I
Speaker 1: think he knows that that's kind of like a cuk
Speaker 1: move for him, and he wants to be a Chad
Speaker 1: and he probably wants to be president. So his spokesperson
Speaker 1: came out very quickly and was like, Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: zero interest, okay in being the Speaker, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's also interesting to know, like what would he possibly
Speaker 1: be running for. I think the only reason we also
Speaker 1: talked about why he didn't announce his re election bit
Speaker 1: immediately is like it would change a lot of the
Speaker 1: donations he's received, and he wouldn't be able to use
Speaker 1: them in the same way if he said, oh, now
Speaker 1: I'm I'm running for president, because now that's part of
Speaker 1: your election fund. So I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: like will he won't be kind of thing for a minute,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know a lot of the other thing
Speaker 1: is too. There is there is a way for him
Speaker 1: to be speaker without being elected, as Jack alluded to
Speaker 1: in the beginning, because you know, contrary to popular belief,
Speaker 1: you do not have to be an incumbent member or
Speaker 1: member of the House of Representatives to be Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House. It's just traditionally been someone who was elected
Speaker 1: to the to the House of Representatives. So, um, I
Speaker 1: think going along with all of that, it seems like
Speaker 1: probably not what's going to happen, because I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think his ego just
Speaker 1: couldn't handle not being like the president. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: just basically like that is the only thing keeping us
Speaker 1: from that because like we're entering this new phase where
Speaker 1: the entire you know, reason for existence of the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is to troll people who aren't Republicans and to
Speaker 1: raise the authoritarian like possibilities and in America and like
Speaker 1: that this would make sense from that standpoint. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the sort it's at odds with his ego. The
Speaker 1: one thing that everything like if they were super focused
Speaker 1: on the factory, they could get it done were it
Speaker 1: not for his ego. But that thing is just too
Speaker 1: it's just too much of a force, like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's getting in the way of things, or maybe it isn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we're very lucky, but by some
Speaker 1: standards that he's so bad at his job and so
Speaker 1: scattered and not focused and unwilling to listen to people
Speaker 1: who have any experience and sort of political power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of senators, like there's a few people
Speaker 1: who who just can't speak up. They're like, oh, his
Speaker 1: election endorsements are unusual to just say they're bullshit and
Speaker 1: they're gonna funk up your chances. But y'all are so
Speaker 1: scared that that's it turns into all this like mitigating
Speaker 1: and you know, just be like, wow, let's be euphemistic
Speaker 1: about his terrible leadership skills. Mm hmm. And then he
Speaker 1: also wants to sue what does what does he want
Speaker 1: to do use the Department of Justice. This is the thing.
Speaker 1: This early in nineteen he was he was talking to
Speaker 1: lawyers and advisors about like the FCC, the courts, and
Speaker 1: maybe even the Department of Justice about what they could
Speaker 1: do to probe or like tamper back or hold back
Speaker 1: shows like SNL or Jimmy Kimmel because he felt that
Speaker 1: these were quote the news and we're also quote ads
Speaker 1: for Democrats, so he felt it kind of fell under
Speaker 1: that like you know, equal airtime kind of ship going on,
Speaker 1: or is like this seems like this is all kinds
Speaker 1: of messed up that they can just do that and
Speaker 1: just dunk on me and then that's considered satire or whatever.
Speaker 1: So he was really looking into how he could like
Speaker 1: legally maneuver and you know, like essentially just shut these
Speaker 1: groups up so you know, dribs and drabs every day
Speaker 1: about things that we're learning about. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: just having a conversation about how I don't watch the
Speaker 1: news very often, but I do watch like you know,
Speaker 1: the Daily Show or SNL, Like you see those types
Speaker 1: of shows and that where you get a lot of
Speaker 1: your news. So you know what, maybe he's right, maybe
Speaker 1: we're getting all of our information from comedy. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, Trump's the president. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a bit they were doing for four. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a joke. You mean, Alan Balton was impersonating
Speaker 1: the actual president. I don't like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: That was a mean character. I didn't like that character,
Speaker 1: not at all. Such a good impress. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Joe Mansions compromise. Just the most frustrating
Speaker 1: ship the way the Democrats are dealing with Republicans, just
Speaker 1: trying to end voting rights for Americans m M. Yesterday
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. You know, as we record this, you don't
Speaker 1: know what the result is of this vote, but we
Speaker 1: know it's not gonna succeed because we know where the
Speaker 1: Republicans are, we know where people like Joe Mansion and
Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema are. And there's just like this whole thing
Speaker 1: about this Joe Mansion compromise bill that you know, it's
Speaker 1: the it's it's the Mansion compromise. It's it's it's his
Speaker 1: way of doing by part and ship because you know,
Speaker 1: the reason he couldn't get behind the For the People Act,
Speaker 1: which is the only one of the only legislative hopes
Speaker 1: that we have to preserve any kind of like voting
Speaker 1: rights or to create any kind of some semblance of
Speaker 1: fairness in voting. He didn't like that the Republicans didn't
Speaker 1: vote for it, so he's got his own version. It
Speaker 1: has some of the things that Democrats want. It also
Speaker 1: has some things that the Republicans want. But the long
Speaker 1: like road to this point has everyone kind of like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, man, We'll just take this shitty version of
Speaker 1: the bill because this guy won't and the filibuster either
Speaker 1: will Cinema and I guess this is the closest thing
Speaker 1: we can get. But the thing is, the Republicans are
Speaker 1: not going to vote for this, so where are we
Speaker 1: with all of this? It's just it really just does
Speaker 1: my head in trying to understand how the Democrats can
Speaker 1: just look at this and say, oh, what do we do?
Speaker 1: I mean, the Republicans don't even want to have a
Speaker 1: debate on this bill because they know it will completely
Speaker 1: throw a wrench in their gears to cheat in the elections,
Speaker 1: and so I just it really, it really is frustrating
Speaker 1: because you you have Democrats just actively watching the sabotage
Speaker 1: that's going in many states concurrently right now. Ever, since
Speaker 1: the November election, there have been all kinds of really
Speaker 1: fucked up voting laws and regulations put into place. And
Speaker 1: this is the thing. I'm not saying navigating DC is easy,
Speaker 1: but it's the lack of identifying threats and acting accordingly
Speaker 1: that that just kills me. And they know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen after a few election cycles of having these
Speaker 1: kinds of voting rights in place, So I don't I
Speaker 1: just it really makes me more frustrated. If you haven't
Speaker 1: been radicalized already by looking at the state of this country,
Speaker 1: this should really make you look at this system and
Speaker 1: realize these people know they're looking straight at what like
Speaker 1: this title wave of coming at them of a voter suppression,
Speaker 1: and they're still doing things like whoa dude, what do
Speaker 1: we do with the Philip buster? Should we? Oh? Maybe
Speaker 1: if we get them on record saying they don't like this,
Speaker 1: that will help in an election. It's like, there, we're
Speaker 1: not playing They're not playing the same game at all,
Speaker 1: but they still insist on this thing and it's disheartening,
Speaker 1: But so is there any chance that they like when
Speaker 1: the Republicans don't vote for his exception or his the
Speaker 1: Mansion compromise, compromise that like they're going to that, he'll
Speaker 1: then decide to like grow a backbone and play hardball.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people have gamed that
Speaker 1: out since he started saying I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: about the fool of Buster, because that was the only
Speaker 1: way that anything could really happen substantively. That they're saying, well,
Speaker 1: first I'll try, and then he'll try again, and then
Speaker 1: maybe at that point he'll realize, actually, yeah, I've they
Speaker 1: really won't do anything. Maybe they are the problem. But
Speaker 1: that's assuming that Joe mansions. You know, in his heart
Speaker 1: of hearts, he wants to preserve anything resembling fair elections
Speaker 1: in this country, or not even preserving because we don't
Speaker 1: have them to begin with, but have the March words
Speaker 1: fair elections. Yeah, it just makes you very cynical. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I mean, they see it coming. And there's so
Speaker 1: many groups now who are just changing like their focus
Speaker 1: from talking about like real like specific issues to keep
Speaker 1: talking to people on the hill to be like you
Speaker 1: have to do something about the voting rights, like that's
Speaker 1: really what are you gonna do after that? Because if
Speaker 1: they set the table like this, you can't there's not there.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to dig your way out of it.
Speaker 1: But if we can start putting these laws into place
Speaker 1: to make them as you know, as balanced as possible
Speaker 1: and not have all these obstacles for people to vote,
Speaker 1: then maybe you have a chance of getting you know,
Speaker 1: certain things done. But this is part of the I
Speaker 1: think the disgusting nature of our two party system and
Speaker 1: why you know, a lot of people say like, this
Speaker 1: is why this doesn't work, this is why we have
Speaker 1: incremental change and people still not having their meat needs met.
Speaker 1: So well, speaking of not having their needs met, let's
Speaker 1: talk about people in retail job. I feel like they're
Speaker 1: starting to wake up to the fact that America trades
Speaker 1: workers like ship basically and they're they're fleeing. Six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand retail workers just put in their notice they're leaving
Speaker 1: their jobs in April. In April that was like this figure.
Speaker 1: That was the largest one month exit from like a
Speaker 1: given industry that the Labor Department has ever seen since
Speaker 1: they started collecting data. So they're like wow, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like everything these people were they went
Speaker 1: through all this ship over the last year, dealing with customers,
Speaker 1: dealing with you know, being understaffed and having to do
Speaker 1: way more ship while also having this label of essential
Speaker 1: without any real gratitude really attached to it from their
Speaker 1: employers and people. Yeah. I mean there was like Kroger
Speaker 1: did a hero's bonus for like two seconds and then like, okay,
Speaker 1: called them heroes. Isn't that enough? What is? Come on?
Speaker 1: It's called the hero bonus? I mean, but yes, I'm
Speaker 1: the hero in the C suite because I put a
Speaker 1: sunset on that and it didn't go the whole time
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. But this other thing is like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people just on part of that. It's
Speaker 1: not that they're just quitting, because I think if you
Speaker 1: listen to Republicans, it's going to be like, well, this
Speaker 1: is what happens when Joe Biden gives people some stimulus
Speaker 1: checks and unemployment. These people are going to other jobs.
Speaker 1: These aren't just not working, They're just saying, fucking retail
Speaker 1: was fucked up and I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are finding other places, like
Speaker 1: insurance agencies, mari wanted dispensaries, banks, local governments, you know,
Speaker 1: where they can have customer service skills but also have
Speaker 1: like things like better wages, benefits, things like that. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going some people going back
Speaker 1: to school or learning new trades or waiting till they
Speaker 1: can get childcare to like better their options. So it's uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's really telling, you know, where we're at
Speaker 1: it such, especially with the fact that we constantly have
Speaker 1: this that we're seeing now where people are refusing to
Speaker 1: work for sub subsistence wages and they want to they
Speaker 1: want to be able to have a dignified life like
Speaker 1: you should. It just shouldn't matter where you work, just
Speaker 1: the fact that you can contribute unfortunately to this consumer
Speaker 1: economy or whatever, that you can have a life, you
Speaker 1: can have a home to sleep in, rather than well,
Speaker 1: do you have enough jobs for a home? Do you
Speaker 1: have enough jobs to have a child? That's the art
Speaker 1: the equations so backward. Yeah, I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are just seeing I feel like people in
Speaker 1: office jobs that we're working nine to five regular jobs,
Speaker 1: they got to step back while they were working from
Speaker 1: home and doing zoom jobs, and so they're kind of
Speaker 1: having this moment of being like, I don't need to
Speaker 1: go into the office, or I only want to work
Speaker 1: two days in the office. The rest of the days
Speaker 1: that can work remote and still get all of the
Speaker 1: work I need to get done. And so it's like
Speaker 1: they already have their moment. And now the retail workers
Speaker 1: now that things are slowing down there like what was
Speaker 1: this ship that we just dealt with for the past
Speaker 1: year and some change, and so now they're just like
Speaker 1: I'm out, Like I think were in general, just having
Speaker 1: these awakenings of being like, we don't deserve to be
Speaker 1: treated like this, and we're not getting paid well enough
Speaker 1: for being taken care of, so we gotta go find
Speaker 1: something different. And I'm glad that so many people are leaving.
Speaker 1: Maybe people, maybe someone will wake up and make some changes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I worked retail back the day. Is not fun.
Speaker 1: It's not like I get it. And I think for
Speaker 1: even before the pandemic, a lot of people were like,
Speaker 1: this is just it's a tough job and there's very little.
Speaker 1: There's nothing in return that makes it worth our time,
Speaker 1: aside from the crunch of living in America where dude,
Speaker 1: you can't just quit your job and you know, pivot
Speaker 1: to something else quickly. Because some people. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people live checked the check and that disruption
Speaker 1: in their income can be disastrous. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I I these are the moments too where you're like, God,
Speaker 1: if some people just had their ship together, you know, politically,
Speaker 1: they could look at what's happening here and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a way to get support for from
Speaker 1: a lot of Americans that would help a lot of
Speaker 1: people with out being like who's a Republican and who's
Speaker 1: a Democrat or whatever, and just like, you know, guide
Speaker 1: this thing by something called human dignity. But you know
Speaker 1: that's that's the perfect thing to be a priority in politics. No,
Speaker 1: unfortunately not, and especially again when you have people like
Speaker 1: Joe Manchin who got there. He's getting He got an
Speaker 1: award from the Chamber of Commerce for the Bipartisanship Award,
Speaker 1: which is basically because he took a ship on the
Speaker 1: fifteen dollar minimum wage hike. So he gets awarded by
Speaker 1: these business associations like the Chamber of Commerce to say
Speaker 1: he is a hero of bipartisanship. No, he's the fucking
Speaker 1: fullback who blew up your you know, opportunity to whatever.
Speaker 1: So he's it's all just obstruction, and yeah, you hope
Speaker 1: that these things will all add up on some level
Speaker 1: because or maybe they'll just be like, then this is
Speaker 1: why we need robots. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're sending
Speaker 1: like retail in particularly, you're sending people into like impossible
Speaker 1: situations like if if you've ever worked retail, like the
Speaker 1: American consumer, you're supposed to like going with the premise
Speaker 1: that the consumer, the customer is always right and like
Speaker 1: that's and the consumer like goes into any interaction knowing
Speaker 1: that and just like it's just such a fucking brutal
Speaker 1: dynamic to then like not pay them exorbitantly. Well, like
Speaker 1: it's not pay them a living wage, like like you
Speaker 1: were saying earlier, they have to get multiple jobs just
Speaker 1: to be able to support their family, and they're working
Speaker 1: so much for what in the isn't the restaurant industry
Speaker 1: also having a huge, like hiring problem because because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's you know, enough is
Speaker 1: enough for people? And yeah, it's it's funny because you
Speaker 1: see people I've seen people who work retail, like who
Speaker 1: manage our retail store have way better communication skills and
Speaker 1: like FBI hostage negotiators, you know, what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: the Ship, I'm like, oh my god, this person is
Speaker 1: racist as a fuck in your face, and you've somehow
Speaker 1: just fucking shoulder hips head baked euro stepped around their
Speaker 1: bullshit and then got them to be like feel heard
Speaker 1: and then they leave. O God, And I'm like, and
Speaker 1: they're not paying you, Ship. This is fucked up. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what you know. You. I commend people
Speaker 1: who are taking these things into their own hands, and
Speaker 1: I hope that you know that they can enter a
Speaker 1: job market that will, you know, reward them for their
Speaker 1: skills as well, because yeah, unfortunately retails in it, and
Speaker 1: especially like working in retail, people come up to you
Speaker 1: thinking you are the ex company. You're like, you're the
Speaker 1: son or daughter or child whoever owns the company or
Speaker 1: the store. Right fuck okay, I'm just making T shirts
Speaker 1: in here. I'm gonna take my business elsewhere. I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm starting on this graphic and I can't press it
Speaker 1: to these sweatpants that you want. But what is this about?
Speaker 1: On the website it says you have it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're not paying Ship. Also, you don't
Speaker 1: know my boss hasn't paid to My last two paychecks bounced.
Speaker 1: So what you want to do? What have you seen
Speaker 1: the TikTok with the guy working at Ikea? Y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so good because that's what everybody that works in
Speaker 1: customer service and retail just wants to say, because I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's so strange how customers suddenly either forget
Speaker 1: or just don't understand how it works. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: think that you are John Ikea or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I am not the company. I am
Speaker 1: simply a man trying to make money. You know. It's
Speaker 1: it's not I don't I can't do anything for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they getting right also, they getting their heads where
Speaker 1: they the word no doesn't exist if you're a customer
Speaker 1: according to something. Yeah, And I think it offers people
Speaker 1: to like in this country, it's like the one place
Speaker 1: you can go in with your sense of entitlement and
Speaker 1: someone kind of has to half oblige it or at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like other some places, you know, you can't come in
Speaker 1: with that fucking energy, like for a certain context in
Speaker 1: your life, you can't have that fucking energy with people.
Speaker 1: But in this one you can suddenly now project all
Speaker 1: of your frustrations on someone who's working retail or whatever
Speaker 1: and go off, and then these people can't fucking clap back,
Speaker 1: although you do see it more and more now where
Speaker 1: you see conflicts with workers and people getting in people's faces,
Speaker 1: and you guess what, you're also dealing with a stretched
Speaker 1: out humans. So maybe things will happen. That could be
Speaker 1: a class that they teach in schools, like working retail
Speaker 1: for one day. They make every kid work in retail
Speaker 1: one day. Dealing with somebody who thinks that you have
Speaker 1: to assume that they're always right is like such a
Speaker 1: like imagine I like the comparison of a hostage negotiator,
Speaker 1: because imagine if the hostage negotiator had to deal with
Speaker 1: like a rule that the terrorst is always right and
Speaker 1: the terrorists knows that they're supposed to have that assumption.
Speaker 1: Like it's a completely it's a completely impossible situation. I
Speaker 1: want one billion dollars in unmarked bills and a fueled jet. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me talk to your manager. I am the manager,
Speaker 1: and I and I love what you're saying right now,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be heard. What I can offer
Speaker 1: you right now is maybe ten off in the next purchase. Okay, fine, okay, fine, shit,
Speaker 1: I gotta quit this motherfucker. I hate the coach store.
Speaker 1: I hate the coach Store. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk Brittany. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and the New York Times is really, you know,
Speaker 1: earning that paycheck, earning that reputation with their were porting
Speaker 1: on Britney spears only. Uh So they got some leaked
Speaker 1: documents from there were confidential court records that they got
Speaker 1: their hands on, and basically what they found is that,
Speaker 1: you know, her fans are onto something. She's been trying
Speaker 1: to get out of this conservatorship earlier and more often
Speaker 1: than had previously been known. As what the article said.
Speaker 1: She articulated, she feels the conservatorship has become an oppressive
Speaker 1: and controlling tool against her. That's in a two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen report. So that's like before anybody was saying ship.
Speaker 1: And there's also like an involuntary stay at a mental
Speaker 1: health facility, which I think a lot of the people
Speaker 1: in the Free Brittney movement where speculating was what happened
Speaker 1: when she had to like take that break, and then
Speaker 1: a lot of like performing against her will her dad
Speaker 1: like won't let her restain her kitchen cabinet because he's
Speaker 1: that's one of the details he wouldn't. He was like
Speaker 1: that costs too much money. She's pulling in like sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars, and this dude is just like has all
Speaker 1: this like control over her finances, has control over who's
Speaker 1: allowed around her, like he can be like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't like them, They're a bad influence. And so early on,
Speaker 1: like one of the first complaints about the conservatorship, they
Speaker 1: were like, we think this is just her boyfriend having
Speaker 1: like undue influence on her and like being a bad influence.
Speaker 1: It's just like a complete like it really is kafka esque,
Speaker 1: Like it's fucking impossible and a completely impossible situation, like
Speaker 1: the literally the only way for her to communicate because
Speaker 1: she's presenting all the ship to the judge and the
Speaker 1: judge is just like okay, we hear you, and then
Speaker 1: just leaving ship in her dad's hands. And this conservatorship
Speaker 1: has gone on for what twelve years, something extremely long
Speaker 1: for a conservatorship because there while the person is incapacitated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, it's not like designed for this at all.
Speaker 1: It's designed for people who like in the short term,
Speaker 1: like don't don't have control of their own faculties. Like
Speaker 1: this idea that it's this long term like money making
Speaker 1: thing like that seems to be the sort of ideal
Speaker 1: that the Conservatorship side goes in with. There's also just
Speaker 1: like this weird underpinning of like we've talked before about
Speaker 1: the Southern dead culture of like you know, having the
Speaker 1: debutante balls where you're like presenting your daughter as like
Speaker 1: a viable like partner slash well show horses. Actually interesting
Speaker 1: you say that because her mom joined her fight to
Speaker 1: end the conservatorship. In her complaints, said that Mr. Spears
Speaker 1: had referred to his daughter as quote a race horse
Speaker 1: who has to be handled like one O. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: burn it all down. And so her dad's lawyer, who
Speaker 1: was in that Britney Spears documentary that the New York
Speaker 1: Times did that like kind of captured the Z guys
Speaker 1: about a year ago. Like so now she went back
Speaker 1: to working for the dead, and she issued this statement
Speaker 1: that Brittany knows her daddy loves her and that he
Speaker 1: will be there for her whenever and if she needs him.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, dropping that daddy in is just like such
Speaker 1: a I don't know what's also like those um is
Speaker 1: it the dances where like it's it's this idea of
Speaker 1: the dad like owning the child. She's almost like she's
Speaker 1: his girlfriend until another man takes her and then she
Speaker 1: becomes that. Yeah, those those are like called like chastity
Speaker 1: walls or something where you like betrothe your virginity to
Speaker 1: your dad, and they were the rings and every of
Speaker 1: your dad and you like your dad gives you a
Speaker 1: ring and it's like this, it's so fucking weird. And
Speaker 1: like her complaints have included her being like he's like
Speaker 1: obsessive and like obsessed with me and with my life
Speaker 1: and like won't leave me alone. He also is like
Speaker 1: a frequently relapsing alcoholic. It's just like a it's a
Speaker 1: real fucking mess. I can only imagine what that relationship
Speaker 1: is like. To where you have a father who's already
Speaker 1: struggling with his own issues and it's probably in his
Speaker 1: own mind like looking at Brittany to help him feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm in control of this thing. I might not other stuff,
Speaker 1: but I have this thing I can be in control.
Speaker 1: And and then that runaway train of no accountability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fucking awful. And then this guy's just sitting on
Speaker 1: her money and ship. Some of the details are like
Speaker 1: truly like you know, a she lives in a prison
Speaker 1: of like her She was being tested for drugs numerous
Speaker 1: times weekly, and her credit card was held by her
Speaker 1: security team or assistant and used at their discretion. And
Speaker 1: then she wasn't allowed to restay in her own cabinet.
Speaker 1: I'm forced into a mental health facility against her will
Speaker 1: on exaggerated grounds, which she viewed as punishment for her
Speaker 1: standing up for herself and making an objection during a rehearsal,
Speaker 1: and then she was forced to perform while sick with
Speaker 1: a four degree fever. If she doesn't have a cell
Speaker 1: phone either, she's not allowed to have a phone. That's
Speaker 1: what that's old yas that's like cult like mind control,
Speaker 1: ship and like the conservatorship is just legally so fucked up.
Speaker 1: She has to pay for lawyers on both sides, including
Speaker 1: the lawyers arguing against her wishes. So she recently got
Speaker 1: a eight hundred nine thousand dollar bill from one set
Speaker 1: of her dad's lawyers, which covered four months of work,
Speaker 1: including media strategizing for defending the conservator Ship. So she's
Speaker 1: paying for them to like launch a media campaign about
Speaker 1: why the Conservatorship is good. It's just she ceased to
Speaker 1: be a person. Yeah, she's like, she's I p She's
Speaker 1: an estate. She's not a human being. And it's really
Speaker 1: alarming to see like all this paternalistic, fucked up incest.
Speaker 1: You I don't know, it's just all fucking It's so disgusting.
Speaker 1: And then to think that all of this is just
Speaker 1: sort of spun out of a few incidents earlier on
Speaker 1: in her life. Just to be like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the moment now that I can rush control from my
Speaker 1: daughter and now she's fully in this like glass menagerie
Speaker 1: that I can you know, I'm the operator of its
Speaker 1: Like it feels like he got control and then realized like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, Like now I can make all this money
Speaker 1: off of her. I can keep her in my control,
Speaker 1: I can keep her working, and then I don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about anything. Because if he imagines, like even
Speaker 1: if he got if he lost control of it, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be able to afford lawyers to keep fighting
Speaker 1: for this. So it's crazy, you know, it's crude. You
Speaker 1: pay for my lawyers to what here. But it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure in his mind he can justify like from
Speaker 1: that one like breakdown that she had, Like that's very
Speaker 1: scary moment to have somebody who you love who is
Speaker 1: like out of control, And like I'm sure he's using
Speaker 1: that to like justify in his own mind, and like
Speaker 1: that's what his lawyers constantly are like coming back to.
Speaker 1: But it's just like somebody needs to intervene to, you know,
Speaker 1: like make it so he can't continue to conveniently just
Speaker 1: believe that he's like he is getting a percentage of
Speaker 1: all of like her tours and ship, so he's both
Speaker 1: her manager and like her legal guardian, which, like experts
Speaker 1: are like that is makes no fucking sense. And where's
Speaker 1: he doing this from a palatial estate, So that's where
Speaker 1: he used to be doing it from. So this is
Speaker 1: the last paragraph of this article. Mr Spears recently sold
Speaker 1: the house Ms Spears grew up in. He has been
Speaker 1: staying down a winding country road on the outskirts of
Speaker 1: town in an RV, parked at a warehouse that has
Speaker 1: stored the boxed up relics of his daughter's megawatt career. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's on him though. He could afford a house, but
Speaker 1: he's just like in a RV, like by this massive
Speaker 1: warehouse full of like Brittany memorabilia. It's just like, yo,
Speaker 1: sh it has gone. Yeah. That's the thing too, is
Speaker 1: like if you yeah, they could, but they could just
Speaker 1: as easily do that him. Yeah, if you're saying that
Speaker 1: it spawns off of one incident when she had one
Speaker 1: you know, mental health crisis, and then he's you know,
Speaker 1: if he's an alcoholic and he had one time where
Speaker 1: he was you know, what's the word, like hitting rock
Speaker 1: bottom and they could have easily just as easily done
Speaker 1: that to him, but somehow he got out of it
Speaker 1: and he got the power and got to do this
Speaker 1: to her for life, almost like the lead. The system
Speaker 1: is misogynistic, and yeah it might be like that might
Speaker 1: be it's foundational to this place. Huh, just paternalistic. Speaking
Speaker 1: of misogyny, let's talk about Karl Nassev coming out as
Speaker 1: an active NFL player. This is probably the most accomplished
Speaker 1: pro team sport athlete to have come out as a
Speaker 1: gay man. While active. He's notched thirty seven starts as
Speaker 1: like twenty point five career sacks, which is all important
Speaker 1: just because like he a team is going to roster him,
Speaker 1: whereas like in the past, an NBA team has been
Speaker 1: like NBA teams have been able to be like, well,
Speaker 1: Jason Collins is on the downside of his career, so
Speaker 1: they like didn't sign him, or like Michael sam Michael
Speaker 1: sam Right was a prospect who was the seventh round pick,
Speaker 1: so they were like, hey, he wasn't good enough and
Speaker 1: just cut him. This dude is like in just completed
Speaker 1: the first year of a three or deal, so he's
Speaker 1: like he's going to be in the mix for an
Speaker 1: NFL team. And he was also like one of the
Speaker 1: best college He led the nation in sex as a
Speaker 1: college player, was a Big ten defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: which I think is like, again, it's weird to like
Speaker 1: be listing off his stats in a story like this,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's probably important to like the
Speaker 1: sort of people who would be like wait, what to
Speaker 1: like accept like, oh, ship, this is like one of
Speaker 1: the best football players in the world. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just it's going to be fascinating and hopefully
Speaker 1: empower support him. So the league is supporting him had
Speaker 1: a nice thing to say, but I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 1: in the sense of like will there be will they
Speaker 1: really put things in place, like if people are trying
Speaker 1: to you know, single him out or something, or there's
Speaker 1: some kind of weird on field nonsense going on or harassment,
Speaker 1: like what will they protect him? You know, will they
Speaker 1: actually make that a thing to say we are completely
Speaker 1: against any sort of homophobia in this league and like
Speaker 1: we're done with it. That's how curious toe how that
Speaker 1: plays out too. I mean that the the sport, the league,
Speaker 1: the entire culture around the league is like fuel. It
Speaker 1: is like the physical embodiment of toxic masculine idiot. It's
Speaker 1: just like and all like the most notable commentary coming
Speaker 1: from active n f NFL players to this point has
Speaker 1: been just completely toxic homophobia, with players saying they wouldn't
Speaker 1: accept a gate teammate and I don't know, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it's just so massively important though,
Speaker 1: for for this kind of representation in the NFL just
Speaker 1: in general. And I think there's there's such a you know,
Speaker 1: in that video, he said how how long he's been
Speaker 1: dreading coming out and then he finally did, and I
Speaker 1: I can. I can only imagine how many people will
Speaker 1: look to him and you know, find the strength and
Speaker 1: courage too. You know, it's it's much different coming out
Speaker 1: now than it was twenty years ago, or should even
Speaker 1: ten years ago. But you hope that this can actu
Speaker 1: really really change the dynamics of sports where you know,
Speaker 1: cis gendered men are competing and what that looks like.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's hard to see because you can see,
Speaker 1: like on the Twitter, all the toxic comments that come out,
Speaker 1: like if ESPN does it, the jokes that are in there,
Speaker 1: there's still just this this just fucked up homophobic blind
Speaker 1: spot that people have. But yeah, you hope that these
Speaker 1: like we can you know, this builds on things and
Speaker 1: creates a much more accepting country and not being like
Speaker 1: gay gay guys can't play sports. Yeah, what the funk
Speaker 1: is this? Yeah? I think we're all hoping that this
Speaker 1: starts like a flood of you know, statistically, there's many
Speaker 1: many pro athletes who are closeted feeling like don't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable like being their authentic selves. But my guess is
Speaker 1: there will be like more of a wait and see
Speaker 1: approach to see, like how he is greeted both by
Speaker 1: the league and by the other players, which I think
Speaker 1: just like further under lens the bravery of what he's doing.
Speaker 1: And Warren Moon also said there that he had like
Speaker 1: a comment to where he was like he because he
Speaker 1: tweets like I'm really proud of Carl, like this is great,
Speaker 1: and then he also like ended on to say, like
Speaker 1: I played with several guys who never were comfortable to
Speaker 1: come out, and they were great teammates. But it's just
Speaker 1: sort of that was you know, it was a private thing,
Speaker 1: and like you're to your point, that's he's not the
Speaker 1: first and he won't be the last, but hoping to
Speaker 1: create more of an environment of acceptance in general. But
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how NFL fans react to that
Speaker 1: with their cool takes. Yeah, it's such a It's always
Speaker 1: been such a strange thing to me. I don't understand
Speaker 1: how sexuality would like why would that bother anyone? But
Speaker 1: that's just you know, I don't I can't wrap my
Speaker 1: brain around it, like I think, yeah, because there's there's
Speaker 1: a certain group, there's a certain culture in this country
Speaker 1: that it's like you express your masculinity through these like
Speaker 1: agro sports, and that's how you validate your masculinity. And
Speaker 1: then for someone to be homosexual also engaging and that, well,
Speaker 1: then what does that do to your What is that
Speaker 1: super fragile idea of what masculinity is? And I think
Speaker 1: that's just what it's all going up against. But that's
Speaker 1: why I'm so toxic. Yeah, long time coming though, absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good for him. It's brave, super brave Nicole. It has
Speaker 1: been such a pleasure of having you on daily SI. Guys,
Speaker 1: it's been so fun being here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? Oh? You
Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at Nicole Thurman and I
Speaker 1: have two season my first name, uh and my Instagram
Speaker 1: is the same at Nicole Thurman n I C C
Speaker 1: O L E T h U R M A N nice.
Speaker 1: And is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media that you've been enjoying. Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just saw some goofy tweet about red flags yesterday that
Speaker 1: really made me laugh. Oh it says normalized leaving after
Speaker 1: the first red flag. I won't do it, but you
Speaker 1: guys should made me laugh. I just made me laugh,
Speaker 1: real bad, real hard. Who is it her name is
Speaker 1: oh it's not even like a real name at u
Speaker 1: c h j n N. She tweeted that it was
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah. I responded the normalize leaving after the
Speaker 1: first red flag with asking if that was about being
Speaker 1: a Sixers fan. As soon as they say there's sixer span,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. Yeah. That was alright, alright, sorry, neet
Speaker 1: through it. Oh okay, okay, okay, but I'm a Sixers fan, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I knew what was going to happen all season, and
Speaker 1: I just kept kept hoping against I say hopeful, I
Speaker 1: gotta say positive. Miles, where can people find you? Oh man?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
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Speaker 1: zero d Fiance a tweet that I like. I like
Speaker 1: a couple. First one is from guest Carl Hess at
Speaker 1: Carl Hess tweeted, he says, the best thing you can
Speaker 1: see when you step into the party, and it's a
Speaker 1: photo of a bunch of Papa's from Portos Bakery. Uh
Speaker 1: and anybody who knows about portos, you know, or anybody
Speaker 1: who likes that, you know, the the dish of those
Speaker 1: fried potato balls. Oh, there's just something about it. You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm amongst friends here and they know what the funk
Speaker 1: they're doing. And one more is from this is Nicholas
Speaker 1: Gonzalez at Nico Es Gonzalez. He's quote tweeting an image
Speaker 1: where this other person said, what's going on here? Come on, y'all,
Speaker 1: I need a laugh. And it's a photo of like
Speaker 1: a cheetah with like their paw on a baby gazelle's
Speaker 1: back and it looks like it's like like almost trying
Speaker 1: to put its arm around this baby gazelle was like
Speaker 1: shoulder and like, hey, come here, pal. And Nicholas Gonzalez tweeted, quote,
Speaker 1: you don't need a union because we're a family here
Speaker 1: killing it. I love that tweet I've been enjoying. Ashley
Speaker 1: fine Brig tweeted, Kristen, cinema is a c I a op.
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Speaker 1: the TV is a window? And everything outside our house
Speaker 1: is just insane? Um and Schae Serrano tweeted, Benny the
Speaker 1: Jet is related to Dominic Toretto. Don't ask me to
Speaker 1: explain how, just know that it's true. Jet. Oh I
Speaker 1: thought it was Benny and the Jets, but Benny the Jet. Yeah?
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