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Speaker 1: episode three of Jardin Les I Got East, the production
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Speaker 1: All right? Well, Miles, We're thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 1: our third tea by a very talented writer and actor
Speaker 1: who's critically acclaimed one woman show I Heart Hammama and
Speaker 1: other Things I'm Afraid to Tell You toward for five
Speaker 1: years across the US and internationally, and was dubbed a
Speaker 1: fantastic and important piece of theater at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.
Speaker 1: Her writing has appeared in books like Don't Panic on Islamic,
Speaker 1: and she's acted on shows like Transparent and Messiah. Please
Speaker 1: welcome Jennifer Jojo Who Hi, guys, good morning, Good morning,
Speaker 1: it is indeed. How are you doing? What's I mean?
Speaker 1: I'm just meeting I mean we met, we were briefly
Speaker 1: talking before. But how are you? How are you? How
Speaker 1: are you liking this day podcast so far? This podcast
Speaker 1: so far? To sing? How does that rate for you?
Speaker 1: As someone who's an acclaimed performer? You know, I love
Speaker 1: to wake up and be serenaded by two men. So yes,
Speaker 1: let's do this some thumbs up on that. Usually, you know,
Speaker 1: usually I'm only serenaded by one man in the morning,
Speaker 1: but and that's my dog. But I'm not gonna all right.
Speaker 1: We started this off so cringe like dog cute actually
Speaker 1: I know, and a cat. Oh yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to create my own personal Israel Palestine in
Speaker 1: my home. There you go. You are are they not?
Speaker 1: Are they at odds with each other? Oh? Absolutely? The
Speaker 1: is like murderous constantly, Like I got the dog during
Speaker 1: pandemic because I was like, oh the cat so lonely
Speaker 1: and I'm still working. The whole time. I thought it
Speaker 1: would be cute, like they would be inner species love. No,
Speaker 1: forget it, they hate each other. Yeah, just NonStop, no
Speaker 1: like cool moments where they like start cuddling up. It's
Speaker 1: just a cold war. Well, the cat started off kicking
Speaker 1: the dog's ass for the first you know year, and
Speaker 1: then at some point the cat switched and was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm I'm already like I need a cuddle, buddy.
Speaker 1: And so the cat now like warms up to the
Speaker 1: doctor to cuddle when the dog's sleeping. But then as
Speaker 1: soon as the dog like feels the fur onage back.
Speaker 1: It like wakes up and just just like bolts across
Speaker 1: the room, wants nothing to do with it because of
Speaker 1: because of the past years. Just all those paws to
Speaker 1: the face. I'm sure the dog I have. I have
Speaker 1: cats and a dog. They get along mostly, but like
Speaker 1: what they do is if if they are near each other,
Speaker 1: just because they got tired at the same time, near
Speaker 1: each other, but they're not. See. I thought it would
Speaker 1: be cute. I thought it might be cute, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a war zone. It but the hair. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean cats were evolved to kill rodents and dogs were
Speaker 1: evolved to like love and be like humans companions. So
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're they're very different. Even though
Speaker 1: people act like are you a dog cat, a dog
Speaker 1: person or a cat person, It's like, well, they're they're
Speaker 1: very different animals exactly. That's how we know more about you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Jennifer, We're going to get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about how American attitudes towards Palestine are changing,
Speaker 1: and Joe but I this is not at all. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Nancy Pelosi going forward with a January
Speaker 1: six commission without the Republicans. Finally, we'll talk about whether
Speaker 1: COVID will follow what happened with AIDS, which was basically,
Speaker 1: we paid a lot of attention to it, and then
Speaker 1: once there was a partial solution that was available to
Speaker 1: rich people, we just pretended like it was over and
Speaker 1: it wasn't a problem anymore. So we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Jennifer, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history.
Speaker 1: I was searching yesterday about Juliana Sange's extradition. Mm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard he's next up on the on the hit
Speaker 1: list of the shadowy forces that killed Jeffrey Epstein and uh,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Oh yeah, I'm super surprised he hasn't
Speaker 1: been taken out yet. That's just shocking. I guess his uh,
Speaker 1: his father and brother are doing a tour throughout the
Speaker 1: US trying a drum up support for him. But he Um,
Speaker 1: he's basically in a London jail waiting to get extradited
Speaker 1: to the US for like charges of espionage and and
Speaker 1: but the whole case is falling apart. Like basically, the
Speaker 1: guy who was the main witness for the US case,
Speaker 1: this Icelandic hacker basically like came out in the last
Speaker 1: few days and was like, no, I made it all up,
Speaker 1: like everything I said like bs just so that I
Speaker 1: can get immunity from the US And allegedly, while the
Speaker 1: d o J was like interviewing this dude and collecting
Speaker 1: all this like evidence against Assage, the dude was like
Speaker 1: committing all these like financial crimes and like sexual assaults.
Speaker 1: So like their star witnesses like a total criminal Creek
Speaker 1: who basically said elied. So yeah, federal government is bed
Speaker 1: bed forced to be on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: Seems like, um, oh yeah, definitely, and you have something
Speaker 1: like this, like what's like your actual basis for a
Speaker 1: case now, you know, when you're relying on someone who
Speaker 1: just said, oh yeah, that was just all self serving lives.
Speaker 1: I told it's really nothing to do with the reality
Speaker 1: of your case against Juliana Sange. So we're what what now,
Speaker 1: we're just kidding. I was like molesting women and cremitting
Speaker 1: financial crimes in between interviews with you guys, Like what
Speaker 1: McAfee was the other guy I was talking about. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's I'm not I'm not saying there's anything inherently suspicious
Speaker 1: about that. I'm just saying that the people who are
Speaker 1: in trouble with the US government seemed to be more
Speaker 1: likely to off themselves than other sorts of prisoners. And
Speaker 1: that could just be because, like we said, the federal
Speaker 1: government is the worst opponent to have in in this world.
Speaker 1: I think the US federal government there unkind But Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epston definitely didn't off himself for sure. What is something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? Oh? Overrated? Going back to normal? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is totally overrated. I'm not into this. They people
Speaker 1: want people hey, people want you to though. That's the like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's even I saw like the there's like
Speaker 1: materials that the administration and like the d n C
Speaker 1: here preparing to like paint this picture of like pre
Speaker 1: pandemic life and how like we're getting back to it.
Speaker 1: And you're I mean, you'd have to be. You have
Speaker 1: to have your head so deep in the ground to
Speaker 1: not go through the last you know, fourteen months, sixteen
Speaker 1: months and just say like whoa, what about the hell world?
Speaker 1: From before because we're getting a little bit of relief now,
Speaker 1: but what what is normal and how how is that
Speaker 1: equitable for everyone? Yeah? Absolutely, it was like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't having a good time before. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go back to that. And also, did
Speaker 1: we just go through this huge reset moment, this huge
Speaker 1: pause moment where we all kind of got to reassess
Speaker 1: what our values were to just be like oh yeah
Speaker 1: going back to start school. Looks at the brunch scene like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: now that nobody wants to go back to work, it's like,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we need to reassess this system for you.
Speaker 1: What what has been sort of your normal that you're
Speaker 1: not going back to personally, I mean, aside from I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the large like as you say,
Speaker 1: a lot of people had time to assess their own
Speaker 1: priorities and things that may have been out of black
Speaker 1: or whatever. Has there been anything specific for you that
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, well, no, this is I've been
Speaker 1: changed in this way. Oh yeah, absolutely. I pretty much
Speaker 1: like quit all my jobs and liquidated all of my
Speaker 1: like business stuff during like within the last six months,
Speaker 1: because I was like, wait a second, none of what
Speaker 1: I'm doing has is adding value to the world. And
Speaker 1: you know, it was all like all these hustle jobs
Speaker 1: so I can continue acting and doing comedy, and I realized,
Speaker 1: like those were all taking over my life and I
Speaker 1: wasn't acting and doing comedy or it was like bits
Speaker 1: and pieces, but it was like that was my side gig,
Speaker 1: was acting in comedy. So I've kind of liquidated all
Speaker 1: of that in the past couple of months. And then
Speaker 1: I also am I've always been politically active. I'm Palestinian.
Speaker 1: We need to be politically active. That's just like you're born.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I feel like you're born African
Speaker 1: American and you're you're political because of your identity. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I've always been political, but with everything going
Speaker 1: on right now, I'm just like there's no time to
Speaker 1: worry about using my voice to like how it's going
Speaker 1: to harm my career or affect me. Like I can't
Speaker 1: worry about my own self interest at this moment because
Speaker 1: there's just too much at stake in the world. So
Speaker 1: prior to that, that was something that was sort of
Speaker 1: part of your risk assessment or like calculus for how
Speaker 1: you're sort of navigating things or how whatever you say
Speaker 1: because you seem I mean in your pretty outspoken. So
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I did have a show called I Heart
Speaker 1: hum Us a little bit I was like, uh oh good,
Speaker 1: but you know that actually was like a super cheeky
Speaker 1: title and it was just kind of playing into the
Speaker 1: assumptions that everybody had. You know. I wrote that show
Speaker 1: with Kamal Bell and like, you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was definitely comedic, tragic comic, I would say, but it
Speaker 1: really played the assumption of like this is who you
Speaker 1: think we are. Well, it's like, let me just co
Speaker 1: op that identity and like take it to the most ridiculous,
Speaker 1: you know, wearing like this cute, sexy little like camo
Speaker 1: tank top and like all right, this is what you want.
Speaker 1: Here you go. But you know, I was always political
Speaker 1: in my work, but definitely like I thought about everything
Speaker 1: I was saying in terms of like how is this going,
Speaker 1: Like is this the right time to talk about this?
Speaker 1: Is this the right setting to talk about this? And
Speaker 1: now I'm like, you know, yeah, it's here, and now
Speaker 1: those are out those are all out the window. It's
Speaker 1: like it's the only way to change the world is
Speaker 1: like to actively engage and it's you know, what, what
Speaker 1: world are we fighting for? Yeah? Absolutely? What is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Free? Brittany Man. They those kids
Speaker 1: knew what was up. Yeah, yeah, Babs Gray and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it. And now like I'm I'm looking at
Speaker 1: her little Maui vacation photos. I'm like, I hope you're good. Hope,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope they took the spending limits off
Speaker 1: your card? Fuck, Like, what is happening? But yeah, it
Speaker 1: truly is. Uh, it's just it's really it's it's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: like it's really sort of underlying the sort of evolution
Speaker 1: that I think people are having, like just in terms
Speaker 1: of how we look at popular culture and celebrity and
Speaker 1: before like, you know, it took, as she said, what,
Speaker 1: thirteen years of being in this conservatorship, and for thirteen
Speaker 1: years people are like, oh no, it's probably good for her.
Speaker 1: I guess she's seems okay. And now we're like really
Speaker 1: having these discussions about you know, what what what agency
Speaker 1: actually looks like for someone and what autonomy is and
Speaker 1: how they can exercise that for themselves despite whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: mental health crises that they've gone through in their past. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy that she was unaware that she
Speaker 1: could petition the court and ask for this to be removed,
Speaker 1: Like it took thirteen years for her to be apprized
Speaker 1: of this information. To me, that's like serious criminal negligence
Speaker 1: on her attorney's part, Like how is she unaware of
Speaker 1: even how what her rights are? So to me, you know,
Speaker 1: it just seems like all these people were conspiring to
Speaker 1: keep her underlock and key so they can like take
Speaker 1: a coin and go live in a nice life while
Speaker 1: she was on a budget. This woman made millions of
Speaker 1: dollars and they put her on a budget like a
Speaker 1: high schooler. There they'll be like teaching her story like
Speaker 1: years from now, because like brings together so many things
Speaker 1: like the American you know, popular culture, but then like
Speaker 1: misogyny and like legal legalized, you know, the misogyny and
Speaker 1: just the the way Americans will like let abuse happen
Speaker 1: in plain sight. Like I I really think it's like
Speaker 1: truly amazing story, like we're finding we're finding out and
Speaker 1: also the power of like the Internet to just let
Speaker 1: things bubble up where people are like something feels fucking
Speaker 1: off here, right, And you know, this is one of
Speaker 1: the cases where that wasn't wrong. The hopefully it erodes
Speaker 1: like how people sanctify these these things like our judicial
Speaker 1: system or you know, our government and think like, well
Speaker 1: there's I mean, if it's the judge says that it
Speaker 1: can't be wrong, and I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: the critical thinking ended there or being like well, if
Speaker 1: the judge ruled that, it's probably a fair or just
Speaker 1: or whatever. And now more than anything, you're like no,
Speaker 1: this this is like just they've legalized is sort of
Speaker 1: like really creepy paternalistic control culture, and it's yeah, like
Speaker 1: we're looking at him like how wait what? And hopefully
Speaker 1: that continues more and people can keep the examinations going
Speaker 1: of these structures. I was I was so ready to
Speaker 1: leave my house when you know like that. It was
Speaker 1: almost like a feeling of suffocation, like when you're like
Speaker 1: a teenager and you're just like ready to like move on,
Speaker 1: and like having that extend into your adult life is
Speaker 1: It's just like I can't imagine a worse fate really,
Speaker 1: especially somebody who like does not who's like dead, was
Speaker 1: not in their life and they just like kind of
Speaker 1: come back and take over control of their life. It's
Speaker 1: like a unique hell that the legal system kind of
Speaker 1: designed for her on top of you know what, what
Speaker 1: the very specific hell of being a celebrity who where
Speaker 1: everybody feels like they have a say and a stake
Speaker 1: in your sexuality. Like it's really, I don't know, fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was that documentary that came out a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago I think about it, that was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've never been a Britney Spears fan, but
Speaker 1: once I saw that, I was like, whoa, they did
Speaker 1: this girl so wrong. It doesn't even surprise anyone that
Speaker 1: she would have a mental breakdown, but then to use
Speaker 1: that as a premise to completely like put her under
Speaker 1: lock and key and control every aspect of her life.
Speaker 1: And that fact that like, you know, if you saw
Speaker 1: her Instagram, like she was just like dancing in her
Speaker 1: house and her underwear and like really badly filmed, really
Speaker 1: like manic dancing, and she seemed like totally drugged up,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that doesn't seem like a person
Speaker 1: who's like doing well and happy. This seems like the
Speaker 1: very least didn't come off as fentick or genuine in
Speaker 1: any way. Like that's like, that doesn't feel like that's
Speaker 1: Britney Spears being comfortable in her own home for sure. No,
Speaker 1: absolutely cry for help. It's like, wait, why are you
Speaker 1: never outside of that room? Right? Yeah, Like the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes footage of her where she just seems like
Speaker 1: a person you know from the documentary, Like you kind
Speaker 1: of saw that lead through in the court hearing, there's
Speaker 1: just this like one moment where like I guess they
Speaker 1: had not secured the court proceedings, like it was conducted
Speaker 1: over zoom and so like she was like one of
Speaker 1: hundreds of people who were zooming into the thing. And
Speaker 1: they also like because there's so much interest in it,
Speaker 1: like their website crashed. So like once they got that through,
Speaker 1: like the judge was like, can you please state your name?
Speaker 1: And she's like, who me, Oh, I'm Brittney Brittney Spears,
Speaker 1: And it was just like so cute and like it
Speaker 1: felt like that person that you saw in that documentary,
Speaker 1: but like never see anywhere else, right, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's just like that's fucked up. Alright, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be back to talk some news.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and there's a new pull out that
Speaker 1: suggests that American attitudes towards Palestine are changing. This is
Speaker 1: something that we've kind of talked about just based on,
Speaker 1: you know, the the way you're allowed to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, what is happening to the Palestinian people in
Speaker 1: the media has gone from like being very closely policed
Speaker 1: to slightly less policed. Yeah, and people just being like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm just gonna say what I feel because
Speaker 1: this is uh can atrocity. It's a it's a genocide,
Speaker 1: uh and that. Yeah, so we saw that there. This
Speaker 1: poll indicates that that's something that's being seen sort of
Speaker 1: democratically across the population, right, And I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is that you see is for Democrats.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a poll from Democrats, who you know,
Speaker 1: sort of identifies liberal Democrats up to you know, moderate Democrats,
Speaker 1: from liberal Republicans up to conservative Republicans, and predictably, you know,
Speaker 1: it breaks down party lines the way you think. Republicans
Speaker 1: are more in the camp of we're not supporting Israel enough,
Speaker 1: and Democrats are we're not supporting the Palestinians enough, and
Speaker 1: Democrats say the US is not supportive enough of the Palestinians.
Speaker 1: But it goes to six among Democrats who identify as
Speaker 1: liberal and so on the other side of Republicans say
Speaker 1: that the US is not supportive enough of the Israelis,
Speaker 1: and then that goes to sixty percent if you're a
Speaker 1: conservative Republican. I'm not sure where the nuance exactly is
Speaker 1: with the Republicans, but this is what we're seeing sort of.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense because every you know, the
Speaker 1: way Donald Trump's administration work, it was completely just sort
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, it's all bets are off what he
Speaker 1: want us. Do you want us to move the embassy?
Speaker 1: You will just tell us what, you know, what We're
Speaker 1: down to do whatever. And meanwhile, I think the media
Speaker 1: has been more interested in covering, you know, Biden's as
Speaker 1: he says, ironclad commitment to Israel, as he vows that
Speaker 1: Iran will never possess a nuclear weapon on his watch,
Speaker 1: and that's taken up a lot of the sort of
Speaker 1: headlines in the US. It's just sort of re established
Speaker 1: Biden as someone who's standing with Israel. And unfortunately, this
Speaker 1: is really this is sadly predictable the way our media operates,
Speaker 1: because as we were talking on the Trending episode the
Speaker 1: other day, is that while this is happening that we've
Speaker 1: talked about sort of the people that are being displaced
Speaker 1: from their homes in the Silwan neighborhood of occupied East Jerusalem,
Speaker 1: and just sort of the how this is all legally happening,
Speaker 1: you know, because under the Israeli law, Jews if they
Speaker 1: can prove, if they can prove their families lived in
Speaker 1: this part of East Jerusalem before the establishment of Israel,
Speaker 1: they can essentially request the return of their property. And
Speaker 1: even if Palestinians have said, well, we've been here for decades.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what what this claim is,
Speaker 1: but we've been here since for for literal decades. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Palestinians do not have this right to contest anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's only for Israeli's Yet we have establishment Democrats who
Speaker 1: are just doing everything they can to avoid any meaningful
Speaker 1: examination of our relationship to this genocide. While we're also
Speaker 1: seeing in the numbers there are is a growing number
Speaker 1: of people who voted for Joe Biden who are also
Speaker 1: on the other side saying we disapprove of his handling
Speaker 1: of this entire situation. It's I think in a world
Speaker 1: where again seeing how clearly uh systems of oppression operate
Speaker 1: within this country and abroad, and even the connections on
Speaker 1: how you know, crowd control, riot could troll technologies are
Speaker 1: tested on Palestinians or are experimented Palestinians, and then they
Speaker 1: export that technology to people here who are advocating, advocating
Speaker 1: for better outcomes for black Americans and things like that.
Speaker 1: You see just this connection. But we're not We're never
Speaker 1: for The media is not going to sort of arrive
Speaker 1: at that place to really put everything on the table
Speaker 1: and say where are we at and what are we
Speaker 1: actually advocating for as a country, because that would force
Speaker 1: many conversations that I think the United States is not
Speaker 1: interested in having. Um. So, yeah, it's it's just a
Speaker 1: bit of a odd not odd, it's just a sort
Speaker 1: of depressing moment to know that these things are all
Speaker 1: happening concurrently. Well, it's absolutely like you said, it's totally predictable.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a video that's circulating of good
Speaker 1: Biden like in the eighties speaking, um, the best investment
Speaker 1: We've ever made. Yeah, where he's like, you know, if
Speaker 1: there wasn't an Israel in the Middle East, the US
Speaker 1: would create an Israel, and we have to create we
Speaker 1: that's how that is our clients state, that is our
Speaker 1: reach into the Middle East. That's our control of the
Speaker 1: entire region. And like, unfortunately, no matter what kind of
Speaker 1: steps that Israel takes in terms of like furthering Apartheidan
Speaker 1: genocide of Palestine and the Palestinian people, like the US
Speaker 1: you know, slaps them on the risk, but keeps sending
Speaker 1: them seven million dollars with weapons. So you know, I
Speaker 1: think the basics are like the US, the foreign policy
Speaker 1: of the US, no matter who's in the White House
Speaker 1: isn't going to change unless yeah, we've somehow then that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like how it's hard to envision someone
Speaker 1: ever reaching it that reaching that far or going that
Speaker 1: far to get to the White House to completely upend
Speaker 1: the foreign policy because it's not about security for America,
Speaker 1: is just about keeping the vested interest that we have
Speaker 1: in like resources and other things. Is like that just
Speaker 1: running the same way without any regard for what the
Speaker 1: human cost is. And I think until we do that,
Speaker 1: like we're not gonna see any It's the same way
Speaker 1: with that where a lot of people are yearning for
Speaker 1: the change, even with our domestic policy and how we
Speaker 1: treat people within our borders, and I think it's just
Speaker 1: they're all sort of they're all intrinsically tied to each other,
Speaker 1: and we're you know, a lot of people are left
Speaker 1: with their head scratching without arriving to the point that
Speaker 1: we need radical change, um in order for these things
Speaker 1: to even begin to inch towards something more equitable. I mean,
Speaker 1: not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the president is
Speaker 1: a figurehead and the administration is absolutely on, like there
Speaker 1: is an agenda that no matter who you are, and
Speaker 1: you get in there, like you've got a little bit
Speaker 1: of wiggle room in terms of party lines. But the
Speaker 1: reality is there's a status quot that isn't going to change,
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be top down change. It's going
Speaker 1: to be people on the ground agitating for change, even
Speaker 1: with things like Medicare for all or you know what's
Speaker 1: happening with immigrants or you know African Americans, Like, there
Speaker 1: is not going to be any major shift coming from
Speaker 1: the top down because everybody at the top is benefiting
Speaker 1: from this, So why would they go against their own
Speaker 1: best interests. I mean, when you look at this sort
Speaker 1: of demographically, the fifty of the members of Congress are
Speaker 1: millionaires that how the fuck could you ever get someone
Speaker 1: like that to understand what it means to live hand
Speaker 1: to mouth, to live paycheck to paycheck. It's all abstract.
Speaker 1: And for the people who are, you know, in their
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, they can't you see, all the time,
Speaker 1: these people don't know the cost of anything, or you say,
Speaker 1: they say the most sort of disconnected from reality takes
Speaker 1: about like what a dollar can get you these days,
Speaker 1: And these are the people who have the decision making power.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I really believe it's the greatest changes are
Speaker 1: coming from the bottom up because just how people are
Speaker 1: naturally saying I'm not going to work for less than
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, that's already forcing a lot of come and
Speaker 1: he's be like, well food here fifteen, and if you
Speaker 1: come with a friend, you'll get two bucks. Like I
Speaker 1: was just traveling through the state and I saw like
Speaker 1: on hotels and motels, on their marquees they were advertising
Speaker 1: what their wages were and then like perks on top
Speaker 1: of it. And you're realizing that this is truly this
Speaker 1: is something that a lot of especially business owners, are
Speaker 1: having to grapple with. But that's because it's happening organically
Speaker 1: from the bottom. Jennifer is someone on the ground who's
Speaker 1: actively kind of engaged in this specific conflict. Like just
Speaker 1: you know, talking to people. Have you seen things change
Speaker 1: just in terms of like what people are willing to
Speaker 1: say and like how people view the conflict. I've absolutely
Speaker 1: seen a shift, for sure. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: large you know, people who have a lot bigger platforms,
Speaker 1: celebrities have spoken up. A lot of them have been
Speaker 1: have walked back what they said, though, because after weeks
Speaker 1: of speaking up, I feel like they're handlers, you know.
Speaker 1: I even have a friend who's a big director in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and she's been really outspoken online, and she told me
Speaker 1: that her management and her her reps called her and
Speaker 1: they were like, Yo, people are starting to call us
Speaker 1: and tell us like, you're going really out there with
Speaker 1: your politics, and like this is going to jeopardize your
Speaker 1: ability to get hired. So when people like Mark Ruffalo
Speaker 1: are like super strongly advocating for Palestine and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden make you turn and walk it back,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not surprised because the amount and and
Speaker 1: my friends, you know, she's she's working director, but she's
Speaker 1: not a huge director. So you have to think these
Speaker 1: like mega stars like Bella Hadid or Mark Ruffalo, who
Speaker 1: are who are being really outspoken, and they're not being
Speaker 1: outspoken in an insane way. They're just like, this is wrong.
Speaker 1: There needs to be justice. Palestinians are human beings and
Speaker 1: they're being you know, they're being terrorized. This is unacceptable
Speaker 1: and so for them to have to walk that back
Speaker 1: is just really for sustrating, but shows you the control
Speaker 1: the vice gript going on in like in in terms
Speaker 1: of speaking out. But then there are other people like
Speaker 1: India Moore who are just like, I don't care if
Speaker 1: this hurts my career. I'm on the side of justice.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, we're seeing a lot more
Speaker 1: people being outspoken. We're seeing people in Congress being outspoken,
Speaker 1: which has never happened before. Betty McCollum introduced this bill
Speaker 1: to limit how you know, that funding to Israel had
Speaker 1: to be like it couldn't be used to harm children
Speaker 1: and to you know, for bombing and for certain things.
Speaker 1: It's like we're trying to control, you know, they're trying
Speaker 1: to control how Israel spends the money. But really the
Speaker 1: whole system is really corrupt. And so it's the question
Speaker 1: of like how even in the U S, how do
Speaker 1: you reform the system. Is it through two parties? Is
Speaker 1: it through diplomacy, or is it through like shaking up
Speaker 1: the system from within? And enough of the ground swell
Speaker 1: of people speaking up. And so I think that's what
Speaker 1: when I saw the shift, and I felt like there's
Speaker 1: a palpable shift of people being like enough is enough.
Speaker 1: Israeli's you know, celebrities, a lot of like anti Zionist
Speaker 1: Jews who are like, whoa, this isn't right. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a cultural shift that has to do. That's
Speaker 1: like built on all the work Black Lives Matter did
Speaker 1: and built on like all of the precedents in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years of people really resisting and um
Speaker 1: agitating for social justice issues, for trans rights, for black lives,
Speaker 1: for all of this. And so it's kind of a
Speaker 1: wave where people now are making the connections between all
Speaker 1: these different movements and they're like, wait, I can't support
Speaker 1: this and then not be on board with this, like
Speaker 1: you got to be progressive across the board. And so
Speaker 1: it's exciting that those connections are now being made. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something I heard you mentioned interview was the idea of
Speaker 1: just the entire region being a democratically run like a
Speaker 1: democracy basically, And I mean that's the US justifies a
Speaker 1: lot of its foreign policy by, you know, with the
Speaker 1: idea of bringing democracy to other countries and other regions.
Speaker 1: But like that, you don't even hear that like mentioned
Speaker 1: as a as an option in Palestine and Israel like that. Well,
Speaker 1: the hilarious thing is they call it. They're like, Israel
Speaker 1: is the only democracy in the Middle East. I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: you tried to bring democracy to Iraq and killed millions
Speaker 1: of Iraqis. How did that work for you? Like your
Speaker 1: imposition of your concept of democracy on another culture is
Speaker 1: absolutely assinine, and especially when you don't even have a
Speaker 1: democracy here, absolutely not. And then the the assumption or
Speaker 1: this like you know, assertion that Israel is a democracy.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, there's four million plus Palestinians unoccupied who
Speaker 1: are like in this limbo where they can be attacked
Speaker 1: or bombed or arrested or rated at any time, have
Speaker 1: no control over there, like coming in and out of
Speaker 1: their territory, can't leave, can't vote, have no human rights,
Speaker 1: are not even being vaccinated, And yeah, and have like
Speaker 1: no autonomy, but we're calling the democracy. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: those aren't really our citizens. So we are a democracy
Speaker 1: over here, but the people we occupy don't really count
Speaker 1: in terms of our democracy. I'm like, that's pretty selective
Speaker 1: terms zero and I guess and that's the trap of
Speaker 1: for American foreign policy to look at the situation very objectively,
Speaker 1: because it would force the lens to be put back
Speaker 1: on this country and be like, it's all it's happening
Speaker 1: here too, we're just doing it in different ways. We're
Speaker 1: also we we have subsets of citizens that we're not
Speaker 1: interested in their mobility at all or their well being,
Speaker 1: and we want to just keep this air up that
Speaker 1: everything's fine and okay and just sort of have these
Speaker 1: like really dark corners of our country just be ignored
Speaker 1: and just focus on like the bright middle part. And
Speaker 1: I think that's inherently just like I think the US,
Speaker 1: just as as it's structured now, is incapable of having
Speaker 1: that kind of reckoning because it would it would force
Speaker 1: its own and that's I think America's fantastic at escaping
Speaker 1: a reckoning with its own history or policies. Yeah, everything's
Speaker 1: a pr campaign to put a little pretty rainbow and
Speaker 1: pretend you support gay rights, and then you're actually contributing
Speaker 1: to anti LGBT legislation. So it's like, you know, everything
Speaker 1: is the pr campaign is this pretty veneer that we
Speaker 1: just go, oh, yes, Israel Democracy, Oh yes, all these
Speaker 1: companies support LGBT rights. But when you dig deeper, you're like,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's just a really pretty slick ad campaign.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that no, Home Depot doesn't support
Speaker 1: you know, they were there was this infographic about like
Speaker 1: home Depot and all of these other or Walmart and
Speaker 1: where they were like doing this like pro pride, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the designs, and then you're like, what the
Speaker 1: f is going on? You hate gays? Oh yeah, just
Speaker 1: our pr people said we need to say this to
Speaker 1: keep sales going. So we do that because the bottom
Speaker 1: line is just the revenue, the capital. That's really all
Speaker 1: it is. But it's really it's just it reminds me
Speaker 1: of like the idea of letting Palestinian people vote, like
Speaker 1: have have human rights, like reminds me of the Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement. It's like this very basic thing you're
Speaker 1: saying is like these are people too who should be
Speaker 1: treated as citizens that like outrageous people that is treated
Speaker 1: as like this very you know, radical thing. I feel
Speaker 1: like that more and more people are kind of coming
Speaker 1: around to like, wow, that's can't be on the right side.
Speaker 1: If the idea that these people's lives matter, or that
Speaker 1: the people should be able to vote in elections that
Speaker 1: like determine the outcome of the place that they live
Speaker 1: like is considered radical, like, then yeah, you're you're fucked, Like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And that's what we saw with Trump and office. Honestly,
Speaker 1: as maniacal as Trump was, I felt like it was
Speaker 1: good for this country in the sense that it brought
Speaker 1: up all the filth to the surface and so there
Speaker 1: was no illusion that all of this racism and and
Speaker 1: like craziness it was going on that could be like oh,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, with a I feel like with
Speaker 1: a Democrat in office, no one's pointing out that there's
Speaker 1: still kids at the border in cages, no one's pointing
Speaker 1: out all of these things, because it's like, oh, kumbaye al,
Speaker 1: let's go to brunch and hold hands blue no matter who.
Speaker 1: And the reality is, during Trump's Reign of Terror, as
Speaker 1: I like to call it, it just brought up all
Speaker 1: the muck to the surface. And it's like, in order
Speaker 1: to move forward and like create what we want as
Speaker 1: a country and as you know, to create what we
Speaker 1: want in terms of our living environments, we have to
Speaker 1: dismantle all of these systems. And we can't dismantle them
Speaker 1: if we can't see them or we're pretending they don't exist.
Speaker 1: So on some level, I feel like it was regenerative
Speaker 1: for the evolution of the US as a country. Now,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna ask if we're going to keep this
Speaker 1: momentum going and actually ride that wave, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have doubts some days, you know. I saw this graphic,
Speaker 1: this like meme with a metronome where like one side
Speaker 1: was like, we're changing the world, and the other side
Speaker 1: was like I'm desperately an existential crisis and like everything
Speaker 1: is terrible, And it's like I keep going back and
Speaker 1: forth from one extreme to like, yes, we are up
Speaker 1: ending these systems, to like, oh my god, we are
Speaker 1: like under so much pressure from people who want to
Speaker 1: maintain a status quo and hurt, murder, silence. Anybody who
Speaker 1: has any you know, who wants to point out like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is not so cool, right, and even that just
Speaker 1: to say, even if someone was probably had to take
Speaker 1: because like it's not so cool, what's happening in occupied
Speaker 1: eas Jerusalem, Like people like, hey, that's a hot take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hot take. You know that's a hot take. Don't say
Speaker 1: it's not chill. You know, like to try and be
Speaker 1: like as both sides as possible. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that shows you something when merely having a take that
Speaker 1: is asserting someone's humanity is considered controversial, It's it's pretty
Speaker 1: clear who's who's in the right and who's in the wrong,
Speaker 1: because I think in general, we just we were. That's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like one step that we need to arrive
Speaker 1: at as a society is to be able to say
Speaker 1: every single person on the planet is a human who
Speaker 1: deserves dignity and respect, and we have to start from
Speaker 1: a place where we can offer that to everyone and
Speaker 1: funk all the labels, and the part isn't like we
Speaker 1: have to go to things like if you are a human,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sorry to the bionic android people
Speaker 1: out there who are who are robots, but if you're human,
Speaker 1: that this is the dignity that you should be afforded.
Speaker 1: And that's like slowly we're chipping away up, but we're
Speaker 1: having to be specific, like, well, these people are human too,
Speaker 1: and these people are human too, and these people are
Speaker 1: human too. And we're seeing that there's a huge pushback
Speaker 1: from the from those who it's easier and more comfortable
Speaker 1: for them to put these people in a category that
Speaker 1: is not human or one where you don't have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge their humanity, you know. And the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: like a lot of Palestinians the movement and a lot
Speaker 1: of like anti Zionist Jews who are calling for Hey,
Speaker 1: the solution is really simple, guys, one democratic state for
Speaker 1: everybody who considers this their homeland. We all live together
Speaker 1: and deal with each other and get over it. Like,
Speaker 1: let's just all be a democracy and like all these
Speaker 1: citizens and not have this ongoing occupation and build up
Speaker 1: of hatred and enmity that's causing generations and generations of
Speaker 1: trauma and violence. Like let's me, you know, like let's
Speaker 1: meet in the middle and all be part of one
Speaker 1: democratic state. And Israel's like that means the death of Israel.
Speaker 1: You're like, so you're not a democracy, You're a theocracy.
Speaker 1: It's because they're calling for a state for Jews. So
Speaker 1: if you're not a Jew, too bad. So sad, thank you,
Speaker 1: but no thanks. And so even you know, there's tons
Speaker 1: of like foreign workers who live there who are like
Speaker 1: Filipino or Sri Lankan and work in Israel and mary
Speaker 1: Israeli's and they still don't have full citizen rights. There
Speaker 1: are and this whole return as you mentioned, like if
Speaker 1: in Israeli says, oh, yeah, my family had this land
Speaker 1: that this guy's house is on, so I'm stealing this house,
Speaker 1: that's allowed. But if a Palestinian who's an Israeli citizen says, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to my village that was
Speaker 1: my house and I want to I want to take
Speaker 1: it back, they don't have the same right. So it's
Speaker 1: not based on Israeli's who have the right to go
Speaker 1: back and take their land back. It's only Jews who
Speaker 1: are Israeli's who have this right. Right, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back. So I want to talk about this Washington
Speaker 1: Post op ed that was making the point that I
Speaker 1: guess there was a Pete Davidson joke in the season
Speaker 1: finale of SNL, where he made reference to the fact
Speaker 1: that AIDS is still here. We just like, don't nobody's
Speaker 1: gotten excited about it since the nineties. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's he was like, SNL is like AIDS, it's
Speaker 1: still here, It's just nobody's gotten excited about it since
Speaker 1: the nineties. I think I think the it went on
Speaker 1: to make points about it's I don't think it was
Speaker 1: just using AIDS as like the punchline, but especially among
Speaker 1: like black and brown people and drug users and poor people.
Speaker 1: The way the story has crossed the headlines in the
Speaker 1: past twenty years has been all about how good the
Speaker 1: new medication is and like all these medical advances, and
Speaker 1: it's completely ignored the fact that it's still an extremely
Speaker 1: deadly and you know, widespread disease. That is, it's a
Speaker 1: crisis that is just kind of gone away from the
Speaker 1: headlines because uh, there are effective treatments that are expensive
Speaker 1: and unattainable for the poor. But they like we basically
Speaker 1: were just like, well, that problem has been solved. And
Speaker 1: in like sort of the central like hive mind version
Speaker 1: of the story, it just feels like once Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: was able to continue living, we were just like, well
Speaker 1: that that's amazing, like congratulations to science. And the point
Speaker 1: of the article, in addition to just pointing out that
Speaker 1: like it's is still this massive crisis, is that like
Speaker 1: they see a similar thing happening with COVID, right, Like COVID.
Speaker 1: Now that the vaccine has been made easier to come
Speaker 1: by and what more and more people are getting the vaccine,
Speaker 1: we're able to just like kind of mark the box
Speaker 1: next to that problem like solved. And it's definitely not
Speaker 1: for poor and especially poor Black Americans, because they're not
Speaker 1: giving equal access to education and healthcare. So the point
Speaker 1: is basically like that this is how America and American
Speaker 1: media likes to deal with these sorts of epidemics is
Speaker 1: like wait until there's a solution for the wealthy and
Speaker 1: then pretend like it's been solved. It's almost as if, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the class of people are dictating what the news is,
Speaker 1: so for them, it's like just more of a reflection
Speaker 1: of how they look at something like oh, thank god
Speaker 1: I got the vaccine. Okay, let's start let's start reporting
Speaker 1: about how we're going back to normal, because I we're
Speaker 1: looking at it from our very narrow perspective of having
Speaker 1: access because I'm going back to normal, so right, I
Speaker 1: guess everybody else's. Yeah. Also, like, this article makes a
Speaker 1: point that efforts to vaccinate incarcerated people like completely very
Speaker 1: from state to state. Yeah, how is it possible that,
Speaker 1: like not all prisoners in US prisons have been given
Speaker 1: the vaccine, yet we have like a surplus of vaccines,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? Yeah? Absolutely, that's what's so remarkable.
Speaker 1: It's like you actually control every aspect of these people's
Speaker 1: lives and you can't vaccinate them. What's what's going on?
Speaker 1: Who dropped the ball that? I mean? Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: you know, part and parcel of you know, slow motion
Speaker 1: way of killing a group of people by like by
Speaker 1: like mass incarceration, and then on top of that, don't know,
Speaker 1: we can worry about their healthcare at another time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's it just makes me even
Speaker 1: more cynical when it comes to looking at those kinds
Speaker 1: of things. Yeah. Absolutely, So that's just something that is
Speaker 1: worth thinking about, as you know, just more up to
Speaker 1: the moment. A newer development is that the delta variant
Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen is now in America, spreading widely and
Speaker 1: health officials are saying we should be going back to
Speaker 1: wearing masks and doors, whether you're vaccinated or not. And
Speaker 1: it's this is more anecdotal, but it really feels to
Speaker 1: me like people just have absolutely no tolerance for that
Speaker 1: idea of like, you know what, when the pandemic first hit,
Speaker 1: there was this conversation about the hammer and the dance,
Speaker 1: like you would do like social distancing and closing down
Speaker 1: of society when like numbers got high, and then you
Speaker 1: would slowly emerge back out, and then when numbers got
Speaker 1: high again, you would go back. And it just feels
Speaker 1: like the central narrative has become well, now people are vaccinated,
Speaker 1: so we're never going back, like go fund yourself doctor.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I was just saying before we
Speaker 1: start recording, I was in a rouse yesterday and for
Speaker 1: the first time there was no mask mandate and it
Speaker 1: was basically me and old people wearing masks, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, And I don't think that's because everybody's like
Speaker 1: selfish and nihilistic and doesn't care if like Holp people
Speaker 1: like normally you would be you would look at that
Speaker 1: and be like, well, they clearly feel like they would
Speaker 1: like me to be wearing a mask if they're wearing
Speaker 1: a mask, so I will wear a mask. But I
Speaker 1: just feel like there's something that is like people are
Speaker 1: just spent, like the living in these trying times and energy.
Speaker 1: It is just they're just like funk that I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to those times. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think there's also a really intentional push from many different
Speaker 1: sides to create this air of normalcy again despite the
Speaker 1: fact that we are still in the midst of a
Speaker 1: global pandemic. But because Americans have a very special skill,
Speaker 1: which is called blinders to the fucking world that you
Speaker 1: just take your cues and well the God, this place
Speaker 1: open back up and they're doing a sale and ship
Speaker 1: I could get this the it's easy to start getting
Speaker 1: this momentum back because a lot of these elements that
Speaker 1: were from the before times quote unquote are sort of
Speaker 1: being put back in front of us, like that you
Speaker 1: can get together, that you can eat inside, that you
Speaker 1: don't have to wear a mask, and yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because on the other side of it, for
Speaker 1: like a lot of the things that are coming from
Speaker 1: state governments and municipalities, it is sort of just like
Speaker 1: suggesting even though they know what maybe right or not
Speaker 1: right in terms of you know, it's best for public health,
Speaker 1: and just like leaving it up to people. And unfortunately
Speaker 1: that's I don't think enough people are really looking at
Speaker 1: it in a way thinking there's still things out there,
Speaker 1: there's still variants out there. And I'm also in a
Speaker 1: state that might not even be vaccinated, and what does
Speaker 1: that mean? Absolutely, and Americans aren't known for our stamina,
Speaker 1: like we really have. We're not We're absolutely not used
Speaker 1: to living under duress or under I mean, certain segments
Speaker 1: of the population are, but for the most part, the
Speaker 1: general American population, like, we haven't gone through a major war,
Speaker 1: we haven't had to do wartime efforts. We haven't you know,
Speaker 1: been bombed or attacked, we haven't had a major crisis
Speaker 1: in our lifetimes, and so I feel like we're and
Speaker 1: you know, there's also the rampant individualism and like don't
Speaker 1: tread on my rights, and so it's like that lethal
Speaker 1: combination of it's like arrogance and also like the exception
Speaker 1: was the absolutely thank you exceptional I haven't I haven't
Speaker 1: had enough coffee this morning. It's like we think that
Speaker 1: we're immune to doing what everybody else has to do,
Speaker 1: and that we're gonna like triumph over this, you know,
Speaker 1: as if it's something to triumph over. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's a virus. It is taking down a lot of
Speaker 1: the world. Millions of people died, and and at this
Speaker 1: point it's like other countries are closing back up. I
Speaker 1: just talked to people who are like, yeah, Australia's like
Speaker 1: taking another hit again. People in London are taking another
Speaker 1: hit again. People are going to masks indoors. And I
Speaker 1: feel like there's also a push from small business and
Speaker 1: like because of the way that businesses were not supported,
Speaker 1: individuals were not supported to survive during this time that
Speaker 1: people are like, I need to go back to having
Speaker 1: a life and making a living and I can't go bankrupt.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like this weird combination of all
Speaker 1: of these different forces that are putting us in a
Speaker 1: position where we like, I think we're above it, but
Speaker 1: we're also like, yo, you're not supporting us to withstand this.
Speaker 1: Like if we had actually closed down fully for a
Speaker 1: small amount of time in the beginning, I think things
Speaker 1: would be a little bit under control. But there's also
Speaker 1: the sense that don't you think other people are gonna
Speaker 1: fly in and bring it, Like, do we not understand
Speaker 1: that we're connected at this point in history to the
Speaker 1: rest of the world and that their problems are our problems? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know based on the policies you see, No,
Speaker 1: like you really there is like this disconnect and how
Speaker 1: it all comes together and yeah, I it just it
Speaker 1: worries me for what happens if you know, there's another
Speaker 1: spike in cases that completely destabilized the country again, and
Speaker 1: how people respond to hearing we're shutting back down, that
Speaker 1: these industries that just started to begin to recover, saying oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta go back to the cataclysmic times and what
Speaker 1: the government will do this time. Because yet, if if
Speaker 1: people felt supported and really had the idea it's like, no,
Speaker 1: we all have to do this for the benefit of
Speaker 1: the country, and on top of that, will make sure
Speaker 1: nobody is pressed financially to ensure that we do what
Speaker 1: the best thing is for the country, then maybe we'd
Speaker 1: have a different outcome. Yeah, it's hard to say at
Speaker 1: this point, especially when a lot of governors tactics are
Speaker 1: to cut the checks off from people who need them.
Speaker 1: Most Yeah, I don't see like I agree with you
Speaker 1: in terms of a surge. I don't think the people
Speaker 1: I know are going back to wearing masks there, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. And so it'll be really
Speaker 1: interesting to see how this plays out in the next
Speaker 1: couple of years. I do think it will probably play out.
Speaker 1: Hopefully this isn't the case, but the the way that
Speaker 1: that described it, where you know, people with access to
Speaker 1: the vaccine just feel safe, pretend it's not happening, and
Speaker 1: then people and poor communities suffer the effects and the
Speaker 1: deaths because it's just like yet another way in America
Speaker 1: that like wealth, like you can be too poor to
Speaker 1: live in Americans and American culture is just like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's what you signed up for. Essentially,
Speaker 1: even though they wouldn't say that out loud, like that
Speaker 1: is you know, what the do you expect from a
Speaker 1: from a country and culture that accepts that health care
Speaker 1: is not a universal right. It's like, yeah, that's gonna
Speaker 1: that's gonna come into play. One thing with vaccines that
Speaker 1: we're now confronting is that there's no international standard for
Speaker 1: what is or isn't an acceptable vaccine. We actually crossed
Speaker 1: this with that Bruce Springsteen performance where he basically opened
Speaker 1: back up his Broadway show to vaccinated audiences. But he
Speaker 1: at first was going to allow people who had been
Speaker 1: given the astro zenica vaccine to come to the show
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like an FDA approved vaccine basically, and
Speaker 1: then people you know that it was like widely used
Speaker 1: in the UK and Canada, and they eventually relented. But
Speaker 1: I mean that this health expert specifically says, as we
Speaker 1: roll into two, there's going to be just this mosaic
Speaker 1: of different vaccine backgrounds that people have, and there's not
Speaker 1: going to be an a list, Like we have to
Speaker 1: figure this out and like nobody's nobody's really deciding right now,
Speaker 1: like okay, what vaccines COUNTA is being vaccinated? What don't, Like,
Speaker 1: how do we even monitor any of this ship It's
Speaker 1: it's going to be and not just for Bruce Bringstein
Speaker 1: shows stuff that people think is more important than that.
Speaker 1: We're just sitting on the technology and not sharing it,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's funny like we have there's all
Speaker 1: these advocacies and like, well these these work pretty well,
Speaker 1: but we yet we can't get out of this cycle
Speaker 1: and being like, well, how do we got to make
Speaker 1: money off of this? Still, you know, rather than what's
Speaker 1: the what's the you know, what's best for the entire planet?
Speaker 1: And now we see it's really not like the developing
Speaker 1: world and the you know, the first world, or you know,
Speaker 1: whatever problematic sort of delineations we had for different countries.
Speaker 1: It now just looks like vaccinated and unvaccinated is like
Speaker 1: the new uh sort of metric to determine where a
Speaker 1: country like sort of stands in the world. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's really just horrifying to think. Now it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: some some people can get it. Others maybe if they
Speaker 1: have enough you know, a political skill, can find a
Speaker 1: way to access these things. And there are absolutely counterfeit
Speaker 1: vaccination cards out in the world in the wire so
Speaker 1: it's not it's not even a guarantee. It's like now
Speaker 1: we're like having some sort of like hierarchy of vaccines,
Speaker 1: but we and now these people are actually even vaccinated.
Speaker 1: So it's like I don't know how and and we
Speaker 1: don't know if we have to do a booster. We
Speaker 1: don't know the efficacy of this against different variants, like
Speaker 1: it's the Wild West right now, honestly, and like I
Speaker 1: remember my um my as cetition was like I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing people unless they're vaccinated. And he basically told me
Speaker 1: like he's gotten into these huge fights with like a
Speaker 1: ton of his clients who are like I'm not getting vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Like this is, you know, absolutely discriminatory. And so it's
Speaker 1: just like what businesses, what countries, what, who's going to
Speaker 1: require what as we move forward, Like it's it's very
Speaker 1: it's kind of the wild West right now. We don't
Speaker 1: know where it's going or what it's going to look like,
Speaker 1: but it could get real ugly. Yeah. And you see
Speaker 1: people who especially like in l A, like the yoga
Speaker 1: spiritual scene is like a hotbed for Q and on
Speaker 1: conspiracy now and anti vaxx are hawk because it's always
Speaker 1: just been this community of like magical thinking, um and
Speaker 1: a lot of just sort of rejection of established science
Speaker 1: that now that's created like this, Yeah, you know Petrie
Speaker 1: dish for these other ideologies to sort of like ingrain themselves.
Speaker 1: And you hear a lot of people who are who
Speaker 1: are like involved in like the wellness world in like
Speaker 1: l A and things like that, and some people they're like, um,
Speaker 1: some of the places I used to go have gone
Speaker 1: completely off the map um and are there they've just
Speaker 1: like it's really not about wellness anymore, like they're fully
Speaker 1: have been you know, crossed over, been red pilled um
Speaker 1: into like all these other conspiracy theories. So we see
Speaker 1: how it can even in the way you look at like, well,
Speaker 1: the affluent people might not know it's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: some of them are truly some of the strongest hold
Speaker 1: outs for this idea of like I need to exercise
Speaker 1: my body autonomy, but I don't want to apply that
Speaker 1: for other people either, which is like the great irony
Speaker 1: I see over and over with a lot of conservatives,
Speaker 1: a little anti scientific thinking goes a long way. Like you,
Speaker 1: I just it's so funny that you know, I've listened
Speaker 1: to a couple early Joe Rogan podcasts, and you know
Speaker 1: he has like interesting things to say about like psychedelics
Speaker 1: and like moon landing conspiracies and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: then you know, cut to five years down the road
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't believe that I need the
Speaker 1: vaccine because I didn't get sick, and like kids don't
Speaker 1: need It's just like that small toellhold can fucking send
Speaker 1: people down a really dark path. Yeah, that yoga world
Speaker 1: is super sketchy. It's like when white people started doing yoga,
Speaker 1: we knew it was all downhills in there. That's when
Speaker 1: they were like. But uh, it's interesting because I feel
Speaker 1: like there's also all this widespread misinformation or or questions
Speaker 1: in this community of like there's this this thing going
Speaker 1: around that like the vaccine affects women's fertility. So I
Speaker 1: know all these like woo mystic white women who are like,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it because I don't want it to
Speaker 1: if I'm not taking a vaccine because I don't want
Speaker 1: it to affect my fertility, And I'm like, is that
Speaker 1: a thing like this Facebook group? I am? I'm in Yes,
Speaker 1: what's this Facebook group? I gotta get in it. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that's probably affecting fertility more than anything
Speaker 1: is like the environmental ship that's making men's sperm count
Speaker 1: drop at a rapid pace, and nobody's investigating that too hard.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, because nobody wants to be up in
Speaker 1: your penis is They're just up in our vaginas, like
Speaker 1: that's where the problem is. It's just source of the problem. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: not Surprisingly, there were protesters outside of the Bruce Springsteen
Speaker 1: show claiming it was a form of segregation akin to
Speaker 1: Jim Crow Nazi Germany. You guessed it. So oh, I
Speaker 1: love that. I love when they use that. The self
Speaker 1: oppression narrative is like so fucking tired, like and it's
Speaker 1: I'm always flabbergasted when I see, especially white people deploy
Speaker 1: this argument and with a straight face and think that
Speaker 1: that's real, and it completely I think underscores the lack
Speaker 1: of understanding of even like hegemony, you know, racism, all
Speaker 1: these other things that if you actually, if for as
Speaker 1: smart as these people purport themselves to be, they have
Speaker 1: no idea about these concepts that are actually affecting the
Speaker 1: world that they live in, and are just rather just
Speaker 1: resort to these like really lame things like saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just being discriminated against for a thing I decided
Speaker 1: to do, rather than people who are discriminated on the
Speaker 1: basis of their race or ethnicity or religion and things
Speaker 1: like that. It's just okay, thank thank you. And this
Speaker 1: is why we're not we don't have progress at the
Speaker 1: rate that we need to because so many people don't
Speaker 1: even understand how how these power dynamics like interact with
Speaker 1: each other. Well, no word yet on whether Bruce Frankstein
Speaker 1: is going to continue to make his podcast Barack Obama
Speaker 1: called Renegades Millionaire Renegades, millionaire old, fifty sixty something Renegades.
Speaker 1: People are so delusional, like co opting these identities that
Speaker 1: have like nothing to do with the reality of where
Speaker 1: they stand in the world. Renegades actually the brand of
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar leather jacket that they both own. That's
Speaker 1: how they came up with the there'll be a whole
Speaker 1: march line Renegade jackets. Jennifer, it's been so fun having
Speaker 1: you on Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you and
Speaker 1: follow you? Yeah, you can find me on all the
Speaker 1: socials at jen jaj. I have a link in my
Speaker 1: bio on all the socials as well, which is a
Speaker 1: Palastine resource guide I just threw up in the middle
Speaker 1: of all this craziness. It's a it's a Google side.
Speaker 1: It's not fancy, but it's got a ton of like information, infographics,
Speaker 1: short videos, primers for people who just want to know
Speaker 1: the basics of what's happening on the ground. I also
Speaker 1: will be posting upcoming shows. When the world continues to
Speaker 1: open up, hopefully I'll be doing getting back on stage.
Speaker 1: So follow me on the socials and you'll find it
Speaker 1: all there nice. And is there a tweet or some
Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying? You know,
Speaker 1: I have to say I've been such a debby downer
Speaker 1: the last month because everything I've been looking at is
Speaker 1: like so much injustice and insanity. But I did start
Speaker 1: following this one site, but I call my timeline cleanse.
Speaker 1: It's called Aesthetics and it's just like really visually beautiful,
Speaker 1: serene pictures of like the moon or the sea, and
Speaker 1: like as much as I'm like, oh, I hate those sites, honestly,
Speaker 1: I check it out every night because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to meditate. But this is my twee.
Speaker 1: This is my thirty second tweet meditation. It's looking at
Speaker 1: a beautiful picture of the moon to like let go
Speaker 1: of all the insanity of the world. Miles Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: And you check out the other show for twenty Day
Speaker 1: Fiancee were talking about ninety day fiance, you know, and
Speaker 1: the like a tweet that I like, it's from Pat
Speaker 1: Bits Patrick Lucas Austin saying everyone wanted a hot girl
Speaker 1: summer and Earth was like, oh word, I got something
Speaker 1: for your ass um Yeah, so it's it's yeah, just
Speaker 1: you know, let's take a day by day. Let's not
Speaker 1: get too far in the future and just realize that
Speaker 1: we still have work to do. You know, there's still
Speaker 1: a lot to do on that subject. Not a wolf
Speaker 1: at sick of wolves? Uh and their avatar? Is that
Speaker 1: account a wolf and a human suit? They tweeted. Sure,
Speaker 1: the state I live in is experiencing historically dangerous wildfire conditions,
Speaker 1: but at least there's not some sort of explosion centric
Speaker 1: holiday coming up. If you live in l A, you
Speaker 1: know that that holiday has been ongoing and continues to
Speaker 1: be ongoing. Yeah, Fourth of July every day and breaking
Speaker 1: Hollywood for the last two years. Yeah. Yeah, Like I said,
Speaker 1: fireworks season in l A starts Memorial Day and goes
Speaker 1: all the way to the next Memorial Day. In that
Speaker 1: it never ends because you got man, I remember on
Speaker 1: just every every day in June, I've been there's been
Speaker 1: I've had fireworks in my neighborhood every day. And we're
Speaker 1: in June. Okay, so you know what, shout out to
Speaker 1: July because I mean and I and please, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to those pets out there and those dogs because they
Speaker 1: get very, very frightened by that ship. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to know who in their right mind is purchasing this
Speaker 1: volume of fireworks set get off every night. Like I'm
Speaker 1: like the ones, the ones I hear they sound homemade,
Speaker 1: like they're just big booms. I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 1: see ship in the sky, Like I'm just hearing ship explode,
Speaker 1: like just setting off like M A D. S and stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's everyone's got their own, you know,
Speaker 1: firework kick. I guess they're taking their unemployment bonuses and
Speaker 1: making their own fire right to make my own black powder,
Speaker 1: and I'll get that. I have so much cash, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna do a good underground in garage. I was
Speaker 1: puzzled about the appeal of fireworks until one time a
Speaker 1: friend came and visited me, and my friend John came
Speaker 1: out and visit me in Missouri where I was living
Speaker 1: with my wife when we first got married, and we
Speaker 1: stopped at a firework barn on the way back from
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Airport. And but you know, like a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of fireworks, like really big ones and
Speaker 1: like the really good ones are really are are real fun.
Speaker 1: Not to not to encourage it, but it's uh, just
Speaker 1: the dumbest fun you can possibly have. You are not
Speaker 1: doing a service sense of Los Angeles. Yeah, my bad.
Speaker 1: They're so cool though. Okay, now we know who's rotting
Speaker 1: all these spiral It's like we're like where you left, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everywhere you do across of all the fireworks and it's
Speaker 1: just like intersects over my house. Yeah. Also, Moona Meyer tweeted,
Speaker 1: finally comfortable enough with myself to admit that train did
Speaker 1: in fact snap with drops of Jupiter. I aspire to
Speaker 1: one day be that comfortable with myself. You can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find
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Speaker 1: post our episodes on our foot note where we link
Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today
Speaker 1: of episode as well as a song we think you
Speaker 1: might enjoy and Miles, why don't you tell the people
Speaker 1: what journey you are going to send them on. I'm
Speaker 1: sending you on a journey from four Tet artists that
Speaker 1: I enjoy a lot um And this track is called
Speaker 1: Teenage Bird Song. And the track feels like I always
Speaker 1: try and give some people real descriptor for it. It's
Speaker 1: like loading screen music for like a PlayStation game, where
Speaker 1: it feels very like MIDI like flute sort of sounds,
Speaker 1: but it's also got like really wonderful percussion behind it.
Speaker 1: So it's like adulseph the familiar with a little bit
Speaker 1: of you know, honey to put in your hips to
Speaker 1: get you. So this is Teenage Bird Song by Fourtet.
Speaker 1: It's a great title, teenage bird Song for some reason.
Speaker 1: Everything like that. Well, the Daily Zeitgeist is still a
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Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it for us this morning. We're
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