Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, eight five,
Speaker 1: Episode three. Guys, the production of I Heart Radio. This
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Speaker 1: be joined in our third seeded by the host of
Speaker 1: the Line podcast Running from Cops Missing, Richard Simmons. He
Speaker 1: is a writer, director, podcast producer Dan Tobers of those Hey, Hey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing it for me. Hi, Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 1: Where are you coming to us from? Dan, I mean
Speaker 1: what Stock, New York right now? It's a beautiful day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: super Sonny springs here that's gone? Is it? Is it
Speaker 1: as picturesque as I imagine that part of the country
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, only going beyond like my very
Speaker 1: idyllic idea of it of Woodstock, but I always feel
Speaker 1: like rolling hills. It's like that kind of thing. It's
Speaker 1: actually the oldest or second oldest mountain range in the world.
Speaker 1: The cat Skills are, the Adirondacks are So how do
Speaker 1: you date that? They just I don't know, they carbon
Speaker 1: dated or something. They've got some sort of thing where Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like that's a claim you could have, Like
Speaker 1: you see that mountain over there, that's the oldest mount
Speaker 1: in the world. Totally. Well, I love that. It's such
Speaker 1: a great claim to fame because they're small. They're not
Speaker 1: like the Rockies. So you feel a little lame until
Speaker 1: you realize that the oldest, and then that's looking awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you lived your whole life with shame of how small
Speaker 1: the mountains were a little bit with my pathetic little mountains.
Speaker 1: But they're the oldest, they're the old forgot that, all right, Dan,
Speaker 1: We are going to get to know you a little
Speaker 1: bit better in a moment. First couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. We're gonna check in with Ohio's vaccine
Speaker 1: lottery scheme, a kvaximillion. Is that a play on something
Speaker 1: like thanks a million? Maybe Maximilian maximillion? Yes, that makes
Speaker 1: way more sense, but even but as a thing, right,
Speaker 1: is Maximilian like a good marketing? Hey? Maxim like the
Speaker 1: name or is there a phrase I'm missing? I could
Speaker 1: definitely see a lottery named Maximilion. Yeah, our nineties obsession,
Speaker 1: eighties nineties obsession with the word max and maxima. Uh.
Speaker 1: We'll talk Roe v Wade. Uh. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: Arizona recount. We will talk about Joe Rogan's claim that
Speaker 1: white men are about to be canceled. We will ask
Speaker 1: the question why we hate our own voices and just
Speaker 1: us specifically, Yeah, just us and the three of us? Uh.
Speaker 1: And also I'm alright with mine? Alright, Well, we've got
Speaker 1: a healthy podcast. Yeah, what the fuck is this guy? Okay?
Speaker 1: Sense itself. We might even check with Ariana Grande marrying
Speaker 1: young Rando himself, whose name I did not write down,
Speaker 1: but another famous person marrying a non famous person, which
Speaker 1: I think the Saber metrics on that are actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll talk about that all of that plenty Moore.
Speaker 1: But first Dan, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history that is revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are? Uh, just something there's a lot of addresses.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked. There's a lot of addresses,
Speaker 1: and I realized that it's something I read them, like
Speaker 1: when I, oh, well I got I got. I'm not
Speaker 1: giving the full I got Clinton Street, got Coloney Island Avenue. Um,
Speaker 1: I've Kingston, New York, of course, classic, it's a classic.
Speaker 1: Um I have Willow, New York. Basically, I just whenever
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody, your any of you with them,
Speaker 1: I want to see like where they're at, like what
Speaker 1: their house or their apartments. Like yeah, so that's a
Speaker 1: weird thing. So when you talk to somebody, you ask
Speaker 1: them what their addresses and then yeah, usually I don't ask,
Speaker 1: but like usually you can see it's like on the
Speaker 1: bottom of their email or like it just takes a Google.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of research just to kind of
Speaker 1: like give yourself a full picture sort of their environment,
Speaker 1: where they're at, how they're Yeah, I like to see
Speaker 1: where people are. I think that's interesting. I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting where people choose to live and then where people,
Speaker 1: um like, what they're into and if they're like it
Speaker 1: says a lot about you. Have you ever seen have
Speaker 1: you ever like while you embark on this fact finding mission,
Speaker 1: been surprised at what you've found? Like when you search
Speaker 1: something like oh yeah, somebody recently a friend of mine
Speaker 1: that I was surprised at how nice their house was,
Speaker 1: like super super super nice. Um, and they do not
Speaker 1: present that way? Is that more like like they're kind
Speaker 1: of a man. Yeah, yes, they look like they live
Speaker 1: in a ship hole. Yeah. Do you reveal that? Do
Speaker 1: you tell them as you're having a conversation, like just
Speaker 1: googled your play? Yeah, it's sort of like sub training knowledge.
Speaker 1: It's like something keeping the back of my head like
Speaker 1: to sort of no, no, I don't tell them that
Speaker 1: I google them because that's weird, Like nobody, nobody wants
Speaker 1: you to do that. Yeah, well now they know what
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? I have a couple
Speaker 1: of um that I'll just pick a topo Chico okay, okay, rights,
Speaker 1: what's too aggressive? Just sick? Of hearing about it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sick of the name it. I'm having trouble figuring
Speaker 1: out like, are there like like mineral water, like sparkling water,
Speaker 1: so elias who can be Like I get some bubbles
Speaker 1: may have a different mouth feel, but at this point,
Speaker 1: like especially in l A Topo Chico, people are acting
Speaker 1: like if you drink anything else, like you're some kind
Speaker 1: of war criminal or something. I don't know. It's bubbly
Speaker 1: water and it's I get I get that it's in
Speaker 1: a glass bottle, but Coca Cola owns it now, So
Speaker 1: what's the what's what's the difference? Oh? Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think they were bought out by by Coca Cola,
Speaker 1: Tope Topa Chico, Coca Cola Topa Cola. I mean the
Speaker 1: mouth feel of the names, yeah, just the five throughout
Speaker 1: mouth feel, it's pretty incredible. Yeah, what do you have
Speaker 1: a type of sparkling water or sparkling So I'm already started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm already starting from just I'm just not interested and
Speaker 1: now and then I have to hear people talking about
Speaker 1: something that I'm not interested in. You have you're sick
Speaker 1: of the Lacroix wave, you're sick of this, all this
Speaker 1: Seltzer nonsense. Well, I wouldn't say, well I do. It's
Speaker 1: a total lie. I mean that it is a total lie.
Speaker 1: I'm drinking the spin spin Drift. Yeah, but that's I
Speaker 1: don't if it doesn't have it has a flavor in it.
Speaker 1: It's like pop. It's like, so you're you're in good
Speaker 1: company because Jack is also drift your doctor. Uh? Is
Speaker 1: that your favorite flavor of spin Drift? The raspberry line.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have picked it right now. I kind of
Speaker 1: went in the grab bag. I like a grapefruit. I
Speaker 1: like a grapefruit as well. Grapefruit and pineapple is kind
Speaker 1: of a new, a new one that I've been enjoying. Oh,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. The orange one is a little
Speaker 1: it's a little heavy. Yeah. Uh. Strawberry is interesting because
Speaker 1: they have it's like they captured the the dirtiness of
Speaker 1: like a strawberry that like, like, I think there's some
Speaker 1: stem in there, little like that. I think they tried
Speaker 1: to incorporate the taste of the stem uh into the strawberry.
Speaker 1: But it definitely is like among the more organic tastes
Speaker 1: that you will get in a in a canned beverage.
Speaker 1: But Toplo Chico is definitely for becoming like so popular
Speaker 1: and dominant in the culture. It's it's very aggressive. It's
Speaker 1: like at one side of the poll of like the
Speaker 1: amount you can possibly carbonate anything. It's so many bubbles. Yeah. Last,
Speaker 1: it'll last for a couple of days if you just
Speaker 1: leave it out. Yeah. When you drink it, it feels
Speaker 1: like you have like a mouthful mementos and you're drinking coke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I want, I want to approximate the feeling of
Speaker 1: tax in my mouth. Hit me up, what is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Dam The first one was Celery
Speaker 1: that was making lunch, and then the second one was
Speaker 1: Ethan Hawk. Oh yeah, I'm equally interested in both of
Speaker 1: those tapes. But yeah, well Celery, Celery, Ethan Hawk. What's first?
Speaker 1: Let's do Celery first, Yeah, and then we'll get into this.
Speaker 1: It's delicious. Hey, it's got negative calorie. It's not that
Speaker 1: I care, but it's got negative calories, which is always interesting. Right.
Speaker 1: You lose more calories eating it, right, Um, And you
Speaker 1: can just do It's just it's just very flavorful. That
Speaker 1: and Celery and then includes celery root. Um. Which is
Speaker 1: a delight smashed celery root as instead of like mashed
Speaker 1: potatoes and you put some apples in there. It's delicious.
Speaker 1: And then the Bow, the Bow place next door to
Speaker 1: my apartment. Um, they sell the sautepe celery like they
Speaker 1: literally treated like brocco, right sautee. Because I've always it's
Speaker 1: either raw in a crude type context, or I'm using
Speaker 1: it as like my you know, trinity of bell peppers,
Speaker 1: onion celery or sofrito if you're doing Italian food, but
Speaker 1: never like just taking it as an ingredient, being like
Speaker 1: here is the celery stock. No, it's great, it's really
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's it's super it's like basically poison
Speaker 1: because all it is is corn starch and salt and
Speaker 1: then like celery. But like I think they just cook
Speaker 1: it for like a second and it's good. You've got
Speaker 1: a little crunch, yeah celery. Yeah. The meat sauce that
Speaker 1: I make celery is a key, a key ingredient. It's
Speaker 1: a little yeah, like a meat uh boling and just
Speaker 1: chopped celery. I would have said that if I could
Speaker 1: think of the word for it. Yeah. Yeah. And carrots.
Speaker 1: There's probably carrots in that right over said that you
Speaker 1: need your your onion juice, celery a little panchet. Now, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much tomato concentrate you use, because
Speaker 1: originally in Bologna they don't use a lot of tomatoes
Speaker 1: in their cooking. But you know that's up to the
Speaker 1: shift themselves. Yeah, I'm a I love a lot of tomatoes.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Ethan Hawk. Yeah, let's get
Speaker 1: first of all, what do I see in him? I
Speaker 1: just see longevity. I see somebody who isn't touching his face.
Speaker 1: He looks like he got beat up. Now if you
Speaker 1: see him, which is great, and I think he's my age,
Speaker 1: but like he's sort of aging even. I mean, here's
Speaker 1: a handsome he's in the handsome man club, but like
Speaker 1: he's sort of like he's he's got big like divots
Speaker 1: in his face and like he's really letting it go.
Speaker 1: I just think that's cool. And he does everything right.
Speaker 1: He writes novels which I haven't read. But he writes
Speaker 1: novels but he does not. Yeah, so I'm just reading
Speaker 1: for him. I'm reading he I don't know. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't think I could ever get myself
Speaker 1: to read this is it? So I guess there's some
Speaker 1: complexity to my because I don't think I would ever
Speaker 1: read an Ethan Hawk novel, but I admire that he
Speaker 1: does it, and supposedly they're good. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'd be able to get past the Ethan Hawk nous,
Speaker 1: the fact that Ethan hawf is as Hawk is that
Speaker 1: was typewriter like typing it would I think that would
Speaker 1: be a bit of a barrier. Um letting myself get
Speaker 1: into it. And he calls himself an artist. I like
Speaker 1: people like that, Like I like actors who don't like
Speaker 1: downplay it. I like actors who are like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm an artist, is what I do. Yeah, And I'm
Speaker 1: appreciative of that. He says. This is his one novel
Speaker 1: ash Wednesday from two thousand two. Jimmy is a wall
Speaker 1: from the army, but with characteristic fierceness and terror. He's
Speaker 1: about to embark on the biggest commitment of his life.
Speaker 1: Christie is pregnant with Jimmy's child, and she's determined to
Speaker 1: head home with or without Jimmy, to face up to
Speaker 1: her past and prepare for the future. Somehow barely across
Speaker 1: America from Albany to New Orleans to Ohio in Texas.
Speaker 1: In a souped up Chevy Nova, Christie and Jimmy are
Speaker 1: transformed from passionate but conflicted lovers into a young family
Speaker 1: on a magnificent journey. And now he has a new
Speaker 1: novel that comes out this year and the first line
Speaker 1: of the description is the blistering story of a young
Speaker 1: man making his Broadway debut and Henry the fourth just
Speaker 1: as his marriage implodes, that man with range, no have range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's going towards the writing what you know type situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of floating marriages or strange like what happens
Speaker 1: is that they're like what happened with Uma Thurman? You know?
Speaker 1: Oh does she because it's their daughter who's the one
Speaker 1: that's all famous? Now right? Oh does he have a
Speaker 1: famous daughter? Yeah? Uma Thurman, isn't it? And Ethan Hawk's daughter.
Speaker 1: I do not keep up too choogy for that. Oh
Speaker 1: that's that was the one that was in Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was in Stranger Things the second season or the third,
Speaker 1: the last season Maya Hawk and then she was once
Speaker 1: upon a time in Hollywood too. Oh, she was like
Speaker 1: one of the she was like the charismatic Manson kid
Speaker 1: who like kept hitting on Brad Pitt from like on
Speaker 1: the corner. That's your kids. Yeah, that's okay. Then she's
Speaker 1: oh no, she's she's the one who gets shook when
Speaker 1: they try and kill homegirl in the murder scene up
Speaker 1: on the Hill. Got it, Okay, that's Maya Hawks someone
Speaker 1: who gets she's the shook murderer who like leaves. I
Speaker 1: love that movie. It was a lot of fun. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Ohio, shall we? They have done something
Speaker 1: that we were all like, has it really come to this?
Speaker 1: The Vaximillion, which famously a play on maximilion. They're they're
Speaker 1: giving out a million dollars to one lucky h dos er,
Speaker 1: one lucky person who gets the vaccine, and it seems
Speaker 1: like that might be working. So like, sociologically, they've found
Speaker 1: that giving out a massive prize to people are giving
Speaker 1: out the promise of a of a massive prize to
Speaker 1: people as opposed to giving out like dividing that money
Speaker 1: out into individuals. The lottery version is obviously much more
Speaker 1: of a draw. Well will do a better just saying
Speaker 1: the idea of enter for your chance to hit it big,
Speaker 1: which is like the reason why, like I would fill
Speaker 1: out countless things slips of paper at the mall to
Speaker 1: try and win afford explore for my parents that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't want. Yeah, yeah, you're like, yeah, we just love
Speaker 1: that yeah model, Like it's like publishers clearinghouse too. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is it is essentially America, right, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: the entire kind of promise of American capitalism. And so
Speaker 1: they were like, why don't we use that? What about
Speaker 1: the people who already got it? Like so so did
Speaker 1: they did? Everybody sort of like alright, like people like
Speaker 1: me who are like, yeah, I'm first in line, I
Speaker 1: want it, and then like they were all the sort
Speaker 1: of lagging people and they're like, all right, we'll give
Speaker 1: you guys a million dollars if He's like, that is
Speaker 1: sort of rewarding negative and it's incentivizing people to sort
Speaker 1: of be skeptics, isn't it. Yeah it does. It does
Speaker 1: seem to reward the holdouts for sure, but they are
Speaker 1: seeing results that they've seen. So vaccine rates were dropping
Speaker 1: in the thirty to seventy year old set a thirty
Speaker 1: to seventy four and then out of nowhere, I know,
Speaker 1: the small thirty seventy four demographic most adults. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then suddenly they spiked by by six percent. It's not
Speaker 1: like it's everybody's now vaccinated, but it seems like it's
Speaker 1: starting to starting to move in the right direction. Oh
Speaker 1: I seen six percent after weeks of decline. That yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. I mean this people
Speaker 1: like a free deal, a chance to win. But I
Speaker 1: know like part of it too is they're like racing
Speaker 1: the clock because like a lot of states are like, hey, June,
Speaker 1: it's call yourself future because it's mask off time, baby,
Speaker 1: and we're going back. And I think they're like, let's
Speaker 1: try and get as many inoculations in when we go
Speaker 1: when we time travel to nineteen and then see what
Speaker 1: kind of spread we're dealing with again, and why is
Speaker 1: the June mask off things seen as immovable. They're just
Speaker 1: like that's how that's all we got. That's all we
Speaker 1: got because you do this thing to try and like,
Speaker 1: you know, tell the constituents like, hey, guys, if you
Speaker 1: if you, if you stay in line, then June can
Speaker 1: be a party. And then there in their minds are
Speaker 1: like that's great because they will have vaccinations and then
Speaker 1: we'll have like two and a half solid months to
Speaker 1: get everyone vaccinated. Cut to oh, we're stalling out at
Speaker 1: ish and we're about to reopen give him a million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people were talking about the
Speaker 1: tactics to like did it have to be a million?
Speaker 1: Couldn't you? Because like it was weekly for five weeks,
Speaker 1: they had five million dollars to give away. They're like,
Speaker 1: what if you did a half million and you doubled
Speaker 1: the length of this campaign, Like that's still a significant
Speaker 1: amount of people? Did it have to be a million dollars?
Speaker 1: Like is that enough? But then you but then you
Speaker 1: open up later? Yeah exactly, Yeah, I'm not done with
Speaker 1: that up later, and you also sacrifice the vaxximillion brand
Speaker 1: they had already they had this, Yeah exactly. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and let's check in with the Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade Supreme Court story, just because I feel like we've
Speaker 1: heard a number of times that like this is a possibility,
Speaker 1: but this you know, pending decision, really seems like it
Speaker 1: is the the case we've been warned about. The justices
Speaker 1: specifically chose a case that lower courts UH had mostly
Speaker 1: upheld precedent on. So it basically means that like they're
Speaker 1: coming into an argument that seems like it had been
Speaker 1: settled and they're starting some ship again. So it's clear
Speaker 1: that they have something to say, like they have they
Speaker 1: think there's work to be done on what I think
Speaker 1: most people thought was settled precedent. Yeah, so this people
Speaker 1: are saying like, they wouldn't have done this unless a
Speaker 1: major kind of change was coming. And it's probably not
Speaker 1: going to be a change in the pro choice direction.
Speaker 1: I don't think Amy Coney Barrett is going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just let's be a little bit more liberal on them.
Speaker 1: She was famously tight lipped in or you know when
Speaker 1: people were asking those questions because of this exact moment,
Speaker 1: you know, because what Trump has put in a third
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court now and we are, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: looking at it. This conservative majority that yeah, is is
Speaker 1: the the exact thing that people were fearing that of
Speaker 1: like what a Trump administration looks like or what you
Speaker 1: know what this conservative conservatives that the wheel gives you
Speaker 1: all these other justices. Right, But if you're I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're fearing it, like, don't you want it sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later? For me, it's just like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is what's gonna happen if there's all if you
Speaker 1: put all these people in Supreme Court and we know
Speaker 1: this is coming down the pike at some point, like
Speaker 1: let's go because the sooner it happens and the sooner
Speaker 1: that they curtail Roe v. Wade, than the sooner people
Speaker 1: are going to realize that the only way to change
Speaker 1: that is to is to vote. The way that is
Speaker 1: to is to kick people out of office and like
Speaker 1: and or or create legislation or create a constitutional amendment
Speaker 1: like like it. I'd rather do that than just waiting
Speaker 1: for the other shooter drop. I think, yeah, more than anything.
Speaker 1: That's just how you know American politics works, Like it
Speaker 1: has to get to that point for a plurality of
Speaker 1: people to be like, oh fuck, we gotta do something
Speaker 1: because before when everyone was like warning like no, this
Speaker 1: could be bad, like you kind of need to think
Speaker 1: about this now. Yeah, I think, Dan, that's what's that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else could happen for things to
Speaker 1: actually change, But I mean when you look at all
Speaker 1: the state houses across the country, I think far too
Speaker 1: many are willing to you know, restrict access to these
Speaker 1: kinds of procedures than actually offer them to their to
Speaker 1: the constituents. So yeah, it's it's a very dark time.
Speaker 1: And I think already now when you see the amount
Speaker 1: of people who are having to like navigate their murky
Speaker 1: laws to go out of state or find other ways
Speaker 1: to have this kind of access, just how it's just
Speaker 1: a really bleak picture. But yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what this does to help force a conversation about like, well,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, what are we doing about Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justices and term limits? Are we expanding the courts now?
Speaker 1: Because I think maybe, you know, if this does happen,
Speaker 1: that makes all of those other conversations happen with a
Speaker 1: little more you know. Figure. Yeah, they're saying it would
Speaker 1: revert at least twenty states to the pre road days
Speaker 1: when basically rich women could get safe abortions and poor
Speaker 1: women could not, Right, So I guess my fear would
Speaker 1: be that, And I think this is born out a
Speaker 1: lot in the past four years that even with something
Speaker 1: horrible with legislation or from the Supreme Court, that people
Speaker 1: still don't do what they need to do to fix things.
Speaker 1: So then when you really would end up with just
Speaker 1: like people getting back alley abortions again, I mean unfortunately, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the three quarters of the population and want to keep
Speaker 1: her in place, like according to polling. So this is
Speaker 1: straight up like activists like just out of step with
Speaker 1: the rest of the country or with the majority of
Speaker 1: the country, I guess. So it would seem to be
Speaker 1: like this would be all the reason that the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party that Joe Biden would need to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the break glass in case of an emergency moment.
Speaker 1: I can I can totally see that being the thing
Speaker 1: that like they drop a bombshell ruling and then that's
Speaker 1: when Biden like kind of gets moving on the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court kind of term limits or you know, expanding the court.
Speaker 1: But we shall see. Yeah, I mean there's also many
Speaker 1: states too that have like these trigger laws too, that
Speaker 1: are saying, like the second the Supreme Court makes a decision, boom,
Speaker 1: abortions immediately illegal. Yeah, you know, many states are waiting
Speaker 1: for this. Yeah, there's a few states. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: on how many, but there's there's a few that have
Speaker 1: these like trigger laws in place in regards to Row
Speaker 1: and I think more than anything too, it's going to
Speaker 1: force us to realize, Okay, we only have each other
Speaker 1: to help out. And I think that is going to
Speaker 1: lead to a lot of It's going to take a
Speaker 1: lot of person like people helping each other because once
Speaker 1: the states are just shuttering their doors on this, now
Speaker 1: like we're like these activist groups and charities are going
Speaker 1: to have to do a lot of the work to
Speaker 1: be able to give people access to abortions and things
Speaker 1: like this. So yeah, a lot to come. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the recount. I mean, we've all been
Speaker 1: kind of on the edge of our seat. Why when
Speaker 1: are we gonna finally find out who won that fucking election? Guys?
Speaker 1: I mean you see the new Ben Garrison cartoon. Oh
Speaker 1: have wake up every morning. The first thing I check.
Speaker 1: What is stupid as Ben Garrison cartoon is a it's
Speaker 1: a the set of dominoes Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Georgia,
Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania, with Joe Biden looking scared as the last one,
Speaker 1: and the Arizona domino is falling first, hopefully triggering the
Speaker 1: audit as they say, and you have Trump saying, thus
Speaker 1: Domino Joe. I don't know what that means, but well,
Speaker 1: because Joe in this comic is very literally his body
Speaker 1: is a domino at the end of which is pretty domino. Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that. Um so in Maricopa County in Arizona, that's
Speaker 1: the scene of the like one of the most absolutely
Speaker 1: nonsensical attempts at overturning the election. Um if you remember,
Speaker 1: this already happened. They did a hand recount. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember this, and then like courts were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: these allegations of fraud are like absolutely baseless, like please
Speaker 1: get out of my face, Like it's this election has
Speaker 1: been certified. But since the big lie, the Maga faith
Speaker 1: will have just been very eager to overturn the results.
Speaker 1: So the Republicans in the Arizona Senate subpoenuted the ballots
Speaker 1: and then they handed them over to a group of
Speaker 1: fucking be it conspiracy theorists who are like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: will get to the bottom, we'll find fraud. They're called
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. Their fucking name is the Cyber Ninja's
Speaker 1: and I just want to read a little bit about them.
Speaker 1: The company has no experience in elections and it's CEO
Speaker 1: helped to spread the stop the steel conspiracy theories in
Speaker 1: the run up to the Capitol riot. It is now
Speaker 1: in possession of Maricopa's ballots and voting equipment, so they're
Speaker 1: they're being like, we're going to figure it out. We'll
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this. Do we have experience, No,
Speaker 1: but we do have experience in baseless conspiracy theories. So
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, because we know what happened and
Speaker 1: there is no fraud, they have found absolutely funk all
Speaker 1: and because it's so poorly run, like they were using
Speaker 1: this like county like convention center to do the audit
Speaker 1: and stuff, they had to pack up their ship and
Speaker 1: pause the operation because it was they were fucking up
Speaker 1: so bad. It was taking way longer than they thought
Speaker 1: it would that it was interfering with the county's high
Speaker 1: school graduations that they helped hold in that building, So
Speaker 1: they're like, you gotta pack this ship up. We got
Speaker 1: some graduations coming in, man, Like, I know this is
Speaker 1: a fun time for you, but we gotta stop. So
Speaker 1: now it's gotten to the point where even the Republicans
Speaker 1: in Arizona are just over it because it's been such
Speaker 1: a clown show that they're like begging them to stop,
Speaker 1: which is kind of odd. So what what is the
Speaker 1: big news that is causing the ben garrison Like why
Speaker 1: why are they so certain that this is a comic
Speaker 1: or is that like I'm pretty sure it's from the
Speaker 1: last few days. It's because he thinks he's because he's
Speaker 1: not in the group that thinks this is stupid or
Speaker 1: a joke. It's that he thinks they have things like
Speaker 1: they were looking for like bamboo fibers to prove like
Speaker 1: things were coming from China and ship and using like
Speaker 1: and using like UV purple lights on ballots and people
Speaker 1: like forensically, what do you are you even doing? And
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we're checking for stuff. They're like what though,
Speaker 1: Oh you'll you'll find out. It's like, dude, this is
Speaker 1: all just it's all performative. It's all nonsense. So the
Speaker 1: Republicans started, like, you know, asking the Senate President Karen
Speaker 1: fan like to please end this, like you started this ship,
Speaker 1: please end it. And the board of the Board of
Speaker 1: Supervisors in Amricopa County were like really fucking pissed. One
Speaker 1: state Republicans calling the process quote a spectacle that is
Speaker 1: harming all of us. Uh. This is from the Board
Speaker 1: of Supervisors. And mind you, this board of Supervisors is
Speaker 1: for Republicans and the fifth is a Democrat. So this
Speaker 1: is this board of Supervisors Republicans from Arizona. They said
Speaker 1: it's time to make a choice to defend the constitution
Speaker 1: in the republic. We stand together to defend the Constitution
Speaker 1: and the republic in our opposition to the big lie.
Speaker 1: We ask everyone to join us in standing for the truth.
Speaker 1: Our state has become a laughing stock. Worse, this quote
Speaker 1: unquote audit is encouraging our citizens to distrust elections, which
Speaker 1: weakens our democratic republic. You have rented out the once
Speaker 1: good name of the Arizona State Senate to grifters and
Speaker 1: con artists who are fundraised saying hard, hard earned money
Speaker 1: from our fellow citizens. Even as your contractors parade around
Speaker 1: the call of scene. See them hunting for bamboo and
Speaker 1: something they call kinematic artifacts while shining purple lights for effect.
Speaker 1: None of these things are done in a serious audit.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, curious what kinematic artifacts? Yeah? What? It sounds
Speaker 1: like a good thing, Like you don't want to ask
Speaker 1: to sound stupid, but you're like, what is that something
Speaker 1: to do with actor Joe? Strong refraction of waves in
Speaker 1: the migration velocity model introduces kinematic artifacts coherent events not
Speaker 1: corresponding to actual reflections. Okay, they just wanted to get
Speaker 1: that that UV light on there because that makes them
Speaker 1: feel like they're and they've done this thing where like
Speaker 1: it's so confusing. I've given up trying to understand what
Speaker 1: they're saying. And but it's the bottom line, audit is
Speaker 1: nonsense and what you're doing is nonsense, and it's ran
Speaker 1: by the cyber ninjas. We sound like the fucking bad
Speaker 1: guys from like surf Ninjas or some ship. But other
Speaker 1: than being like kind of kicked out of the building
Speaker 1: because they have because of the high school graduations and
Speaker 1: being like shouted down by their own party, Like is
Speaker 1: there is this progressing in some way? Like what is
Speaker 1: giving the people who are on the side of these
Speaker 1: people like hope and nothing? I mean like their response
Speaker 1: to them, it's just to that is being like, oh,
Speaker 1: here they go. They're afraid of what we might find,
Speaker 1: like that you haven't found anything and you're not going
Speaker 1: to because a you're looking for something that isn't there
Speaker 1: and be you're not even trained to even understand what
Speaker 1: you're looking at. Aside from just like this very narrow
Speaker 1: motivation to be like we're gonna find Chinese bamboo fibers
Speaker 1: on these ballots or some ship. But it's working. They're
Speaker 1: they're making money. Yeah, absolutely, And I think it's only
Speaker 1: it's another indication. I think this like sort of strongly
Speaker 1: worded attempt at stopping it from the Republicans from the
Speaker 1: Board of Supervisors, that how deeply fractured, Like just like
Speaker 1: the Republican Party is now like where some people are like,
Speaker 1: I think we can get a home, They're like, Nope,
Speaker 1: there goes the party off, it goes with the cyber ninjas.
Speaker 1: By the way, Ben Garrison great example of like the
Speaker 1: lower standards of anybody, like for culture that is created
Speaker 1: by anybody who's on the side of this, because they
Speaker 1: just like will take what they can get. The shadow
Speaker 1: work on the on this like when you look at
Speaker 1: so the the idea is that these dominoes are supposed
Speaker 1: to spell out the word audit in shadows, but that
Speaker 1: he has made literally no attempt to make it seem
Speaker 1: like that is even conceivably possible that would have took
Speaker 1: too much time. He just he just wrote audit books.
Speaker 1: Good though Trump always looks good. Yeah, it looks like
Speaker 1: Richie rich he's his U. His suit is like kind
Speaker 1: of straining at the like kind of groin region, which
Speaker 1: I'm assuming is not by accident. Like he's okah of
Speaker 1: what's on the US? What do you see there? Tell
Speaker 1: us more about what do you see there? All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the insurrectionists. There's a bipartisan effort to
Speaker 1: look at the January six attack, and it's running into
Speaker 1: opposition from GOP leadership. Basically, who would have thought? Who
Speaker 1: would have thought? Minority leader Kevin McCarthy specifically is out
Speaker 1: here being like, oh, it's it's too shortsighted, and it
Speaker 1: it doesn't look at all of the political violence that
Speaker 1: has occurred in the United States. In other words, they
Speaker 1: don't want an investigation into an event that perhaps some
Speaker 1: of their own members had a hand in. If you remember,
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy was on the phone with Donald Trump when
Speaker 1: the attack was happening. So I have a feeling, yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy doesn't want to have to sit in front
Speaker 1: of anything and explain anything to anyone about what was
Speaker 1: said or not said. But he now saying, quote, the
Speaker 1: renewed focus by Democrats to now stand up an additional
Speaker 1: commission ignores the political violence that has struck American cities.
Speaker 1: That's talking about the BLM protests, a Republican congressional baseball practice,
Speaker 1: that was the Steve Scalise thing from and most recently
Speaker 1: the deadly attack on Capitol police in April where that
Speaker 1: guy ran into some of the officers near the Capitol. Now,
Speaker 1: those are not comparable events, and I understand and that
Speaker 1: those we those have been investigated and people understand what
Speaker 1: happened there. This, on the other hand, has a lot
Speaker 1: of moving parts where there's law enforcement, military involvement, even politicians,
Speaker 1: where there's a lot of question marks to like what
Speaker 1: exactly happened and so, and now I think their whole
Speaker 1: thing is they just want to go way back, broaden
Speaker 1: it to the point to be able to raise their
Speaker 1: talking points. Like other proposals from the Republicans are, we
Speaker 1: can we talk about Antifa. We gotta put Antifa in there,
Speaker 1: and we got to put the BLM protests in there
Speaker 1: as well, just to I think create this sort of
Speaker 1: mass spectacle of like, look, everyone's everyone's doing it. Folks,
Speaker 1: So how can we really, you know, consider ourselves safe. So, yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's the current state of this effort to figure
Speaker 1: out what happened. Yeah, and I mean Antifa was involved
Speaker 1: in the in the stormy of the capital, if if
Speaker 1: my sources are are correct, if your favorite parlor, yeah,
Speaker 1: your favorite parlor count to be believed. And he had
Speaker 1: a problem with this effort is John Katco, who is
Speaker 1: the ranking member on the Homeland Security Committee, who's the
Speaker 1: Republican giving it this bipartisan support. He voted to impeach Trump.
Speaker 1: So that's already that's already I think a bad sign
Speaker 1: for how much Republican support it's going to get, because
Speaker 1: this guy was being like, no, no, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm voting to impeache I don't know what everyone else
Speaker 1: is talking about. So that's already raising question marks. On
Speaker 1: top of the fact that once it gets out of
Speaker 1: the House, it has to go to the Senate and
Speaker 1: then we'll see what kind of will there is to
Speaker 1: either completely water it down, you know, amend it. So
Speaker 1: it really is like about just whatever they wanted, whatever
Speaker 1: else they needed to be about. But I think such
Speaker 1: as the the all too familiar theme recently. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take one more break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about some bullshit. And we're back and all right,
Speaker 1: let's check it with Joe Rogan. That's been a couple
Speaker 1: of days, and we we have a quote from one
Speaker 1: of the latest episodes of this podcast. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: you know, he's it's a warning to all straight white
Speaker 1: men of the world. Uh, he says. He was talking
Speaker 1: to his guests. He said, can you make a good
Speaker 1: comedy movie anymore? Or have they made it so dangerous
Speaker 1: in terms of being canceled that comedy movies are no
Speaker 1: longer something you can do. You can never be woken enough.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. It keeps going, It keeps going further
Speaker 1: and further and further down the line. If you get
Speaker 1: to the point where you capitulate, where you agreed all
Speaker 1: these demands, it will eventually get to straight white men
Speaker 1: are not allowed to talk because it's your privilege to
Speaker 1: express yourself when other people of color have been silenced
Speaker 1: throughout history. M hm, he says. It will become you know,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go outside because so many people
Speaker 1: were imprisoned for so man in anyway, it's it's it
Speaker 1: goes in that direction. I mean, that's good, he gets yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think he seems to be conflating the
Speaker 1: demographic of you know, straight cys gendered white men with
Speaker 1: the larger idea of like hegemonic masculinity and white supremacy,
Speaker 1: and then you know, turning that into this sort of
Speaker 1: narrative of like victimhood, which most you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: white supremacy or misogynists, like you need that to be
Speaker 1: able to explain why you are transgressing in the other direction,
Speaker 1: because it's, oh well, I mean look at us, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're it's it's we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of a fight. So if I'm getting canceled, like this
Speaker 1: is what's going on, these are the stakes for me,
Speaker 1: is I'm being wiped out by not talking. I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is one of the most popular podcasters on Earth,
Speaker 1: I don't know where, Like, you know, he's not really
Speaker 1: canceled wible in that sense, Like, but think about it
Speaker 1: this way. I agree with everything you're saying, by the way,
Speaker 1: but I've seen a lot of people go after Rogan
Speaker 1: for saying that. Saying as he says into a microphone,
Speaker 1: as if he's not I agree with he's not cancelable,
Speaker 1: but he is speaking for people. The people who are
Speaker 1: listening to him don't have microphones and they feel that way, right.
Speaker 1: That's and that's the victimhood ideals, the same thing espoused
Speaker 1: by you know, white supremacists in Charlottesville are saying we're
Speaker 1: not going to get replaced or whatever. It's that same
Speaker 1: energy that you need to be able to keep that
Speaker 1: movement going. And that's what makes it a force that's
Speaker 1: really hard to reckon with because people are like, yes,
Speaker 1: I need this sort of rationalization to stay steadfast here
Speaker 1: where I am at um. But yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a I think there is something to say though, Like
Speaker 1: in general, when you have people looking at like, you know,
Speaker 1: on on some level, people are not as interested in
Speaker 1: this term of like canceling someone is just sort of
Speaker 1: like a solution to something when most people are like,
Speaker 1: we need to drive our society forward and we need
Speaker 1: to evolve, and part of that is about being able
Speaker 1: to demonstrate that there are opportunities to grow. And I
Speaker 1: think for people who are so obsessed, like in the
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan camp, it's just a very to zero sum
Speaker 1: game because some people are making it a zero sum game,
Speaker 1: which is like you're canceled. That's it, goodbye, off to
Speaker 1: the desert landscape and and just enjoy your time there
Speaker 1: where On some level, people need to be shown that
Speaker 1: you can funk up, be shitty and find a way
Speaker 1: to grow past that. It's to be completely it's it's
Speaker 1: not a it's not a proposition. People aren't going to
Speaker 1: be interested in. And I think even like you know,
Speaker 1: might like when I talk about my own growth or
Speaker 1: anyone's growth over time, there were times when I felt
Speaker 1: like a Joe Rogan type person was like, man, well,
Speaker 1: look what the fund you can do? What's what's the problem.
Speaker 1: And then it takes a second few to realize, like, well,
Speaker 1: these things can change. And I also need to be
Speaker 1: open enough with myself to understand it's hard to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's me. You gotta like calm down for a second
Speaker 1: and just like think about it. And it's I also
Speaker 1: think it's funny that he's coming out of it's it
Speaker 1: is funny that he's coming out of from the place
Speaker 1: so there are no good comedies anymore. Hey, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not untrue. I will say it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard to find good comedy films these days. But that
Speaker 1: had says more about the film film industry than it
Speaker 1: does about comedy. But it also says something. It's just generationally. Generationally,
Speaker 1: it is a story as oh, this comedy itself, that
Speaker 1: comics always feel like they're getting put out to pasture
Speaker 1: because comedy evolves, Like I've been involved in things that
Speaker 1: were made twenty years ago and like it's not funny anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's not because you need to get canceled. It's
Speaker 1: just not funny anymore. Yeah, we've moved on, we've all
Speaker 1: which is an interesting vibe to feel that, like the
Speaker 1: thing that you've been it must be you know, fuck them.
Speaker 1: I don't care, but like it's his problem, but it is.
Speaker 1: I do get that feeling. He's feeling something. I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's it's the fear of getting canceled. I
Speaker 1: think it's just being irrelevant in some way, right, or like,
Speaker 1: how do you keep up when you're used to just
Speaker 1: making really superficial jokes about people's like masculinity or what
Speaker 1: straightness or whatever, and then like you keep coming back
Speaker 1: to the same old jokes those jokes, right, now years
Speaker 1: they're sort of stupid, and I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: the work to try and like be more and more
Speaker 1: introspective again and find some new analysis and observation I
Speaker 1: can take to the stage to make people laugh. I
Speaker 1: like my old shitty jokes. I will say this. I
Speaker 1: would appreciate it if Joe Rogan could say there are
Speaker 1: no good comedies right now, and then instead of going
Speaker 1: into fucking three paragraphs about about wokeness, tell me something
Speaker 1: funny about wokeness. Like the thing about calm is that
Speaker 1: you can you can you can look at what's around
Speaker 1: you and and makes intelligent jokes that helps you laugh
Speaker 1: at yourself. Like there's ways to sort of react to
Speaker 1: what he says he sees and and not alienate people
Speaker 1: and not complain and stop your feet make a joke
Speaker 1: about it, Like you don't have a joke about that,
Speaker 1: then you don't have a joke about anything that's going
Speaker 1: on now, right A fair point, yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like he has to
Speaker 1: put this sort of movement of like sort of diametrically
Speaker 1: opposed to him and that sort of philosophy of comedians
Speaker 1: to be like and this is and these are the stakes,
Speaker 1: and then we that way we can stay fixed and
Speaker 1: fight from here. Yeah, all right, let's talk about this
Speaker 1: Daily Beast article about why we hate the sounds of
Speaker 1: our own voices. From full disclosure, I'll say I don't
Speaker 1: hate the sound of my own voice. I know it
Speaker 1: was suggested. However, I will say I did have a
Speaker 1: reaction to the first time I ever heard my own record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely something you need to get used to. We
Speaker 1: we spend hours a day hearing ourselves back, hearing our
Speaker 1: own voices back into our headphones, and it's a It
Speaker 1: starts out as a very horrifying experience. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of the sweating and uncomfortable nous I did in
Speaker 1: the first year this podcast was just my brain trying
Speaker 1: to make sense of the fact that it was it
Speaker 1: was having to hear its own hear my own voice back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was. There's this assistant professor of autoaryngeology at the
Speaker 1: University of Washington who like deals with people's voices and
Speaker 1: like surgeries and with your like vocal cords and things
Speaker 1: like that, and he talks about just sort of when
Speaker 1: he hears people talk about their own voice and that
Speaker 1: they want to address it. He has, you know, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of studies about this, but he brings
Speaker 1: up the fact that this whole phenomenous idea of like
Speaker 1: people not standing their voices is just part physiology, part
Speaker 1: psychology obviously. So like when we're hearing our voices over
Speaker 1: that through our headphones on speakers, it's traveling through the
Speaker 1: sound waves traveled through the air into our into our skulls,
Speaker 1: and it gets to our small earbones and it's like
Speaker 1: a lighter sound versus when what we're used to, which
Speaker 1: is the I'm hearing it straight out of my skull tone,
Speaker 1: which is a little bit smoother, a little bit basier.
Speaker 1: And so when we hear the two next to each other,
Speaker 1: it's just jarring because we're so tied to this voice
Speaker 1: that resonates in our skulls that it's like looking in
Speaker 1: a fun house mirror of yourself and you're like, is
Speaker 1: this me? I mean, like it's specifically with a fun
Speaker 1: house mirror metaphor, like they've found the same but for
Speaker 1: perception of our bodies and reflections, like they put people's
Speaker 1: like showed people pictures of essentially what their body looked like,
Speaker 1: but made it so that they couldn't really tell that
Speaker 1: it was their body, and when it wasn't their own,
Speaker 1: they rated it as like much more attractive and like
Speaker 1: in better healthier then when they were able to recognize
Speaker 1: it as their own, Like yeah, yeah, I would love
Speaker 1: for somebody to do that to me. And like even
Speaker 1: with the voices, they did the same thing. They had
Speaker 1: people like listen to their recorded voices and and rate
Speaker 1: their you know, how nice they thought their voice was.
Speaker 1: And then they had just clinicians also just listen to
Speaker 1: these audio clips and just rate the voices, and you know,
Speaker 1: across the board, it was just clear people were so
Speaker 1: negative about their own voices, and the clinicians that were
Speaker 1: like really positive. You're like, no, nothing's yeah, okay, great,
Speaker 1: great great. So it really is like this, it's not that,
Speaker 1: like you say, for people who hate their own voice,
Speaker 1: not that you sound like a total ship head and
Speaker 1: you want to go full van go on yourself because
Speaker 1: you don't like what you're hearing. It's just that we
Speaker 1: have this, you know, I think, propensity to be very
Speaker 1: self critical and then these sort of moments offer those
Speaker 1: like you know, opportunities to just be like what the
Speaker 1: fun that's me no, but I'm this thing. Have you
Speaker 1: learned to like your voice or or or do you
Speaker 1: just learn to not care? I don't know if I
Speaker 1: definitely don't dislike my voice. I'll say, like, the first
Speaker 1: time I ever heard it, I think it was the
Speaker 1: first time when I was when I was a kid
Speaker 1: and I was making a home movie with a friend
Speaker 1: and then we played it back and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the funk that sound like this? Like? And I
Speaker 1: was like eleven, you know, and that was just enough
Speaker 1: to like whatever. And then my voice got deeper, and
Speaker 1: I remember high school the same thing happened again, and
Speaker 1: it I was a little more secure in my voice.
Speaker 1: But then as time goes on and I think doing
Speaker 1: podcasting more and things like that, I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I like what I'm hearing in my headphones. Again, Dan,
Speaker 1: I know you you've hosted many many podcasts. Have you
Speaker 1: ever been through the hell of trying to edit them yourself?
Speaker 1: I have? In the very beginning I was editing something.
Speaker 1: I was at the very beginning too, and I was
Speaker 1: so brutal. I'm myself is that like it was so like,
Speaker 1: cut this whole section. I sound like an idiot? Like
Speaker 1: it was so bad. It's funny. I think I started
Speaker 1: when I was a little more I think I just
Speaker 1: had It wasn't about having competed with my voice. I
Speaker 1: just had a little more confidence period, and so like
Speaker 1: it was like the lie, Like there's so many things
Speaker 1: I could do next, something better. Changing my voice is
Speaker 1: not one of them, right, right, So I just kind
Speaker 1: of like ignore it, not ignore it, but just like
Speaker 1: their ways just to sound less annoying. It's hard to
Speaker 1: sound better. It's hard to sound like the it's hard
Speaker 1: for the tone of your voice to sound better, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just auto tuned to the whole thing, so it
Speaker 1: sounded like I was singing beautifully. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: co host t Pain is here, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: This weirdly is I think a good advertisement for therapy
Speaker 1: because I just think in basically every uh, every aspect
Speaker 1: of self perception, we are absolutely the worst a judging ourselves.
Speaker 1: Like there's just that lens or fun house mirror, whatever
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. You know that we are the
Speaker 1: most important people in our world, and like there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of memories and values tied up in how
Speaker 1: we perceive ourselves. Like whether it be in the mirror
Speaker 1: or our voice or what what our what our problem
Speaker 1: is on a daily daily basis. Yeah, we're ore, We're
Speaker 1: our greatest critics. And yeah, I think part of like
Speaker 1: part of even just being in therapies like realizing to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't got to listen to that critical voice all
Speaker 1: the time. That's not actually useful, just so you know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I've I've lived in it with
Speaker 1: it for so long and it's it's kind of hard.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like my rotten tomatoes that I love
Speaker 1: to check on all the time and I'm always rated
Speaker 1: hot shit on it. So uh yeah, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I think to your point, Dan, when you're asking, like,
Speaker 1: is it that I don't care? I think, over time
Speaker 1: it does become that I don't care because it becomes
Speaker 1: less important in my evaluation of who I am or
Speaker 1: what I am to other people. It's more about like
Speaker 1: what my internal lived experiences rather than how I'm valuing
Speaker 1: that or adjudicating that against external opinions or factors. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's talk really briefly about Ariana Grande. Uh. She is
Speaker 1: no longer just getting engaged to people. She's now married
Speaker 1: to somebody, and it's somebody that named Dalton Gomez, who
Speaker 1: looks like he looks like Pete. He does look a
Speaker 1: little like Pete. I mean he's just a young, good
Speaker 1: looking twenty two I think year old, like little younger, okay,
Speaker 1: looks like an infant. Doesn't he look like a child,
Speaker 1: like a little made like a little we man. I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is after years of her having tragic
Speaker 1: to bad luck with relationships with famous people, she quarantined
Speaker 1: down with a young, not famous real estate agent and
Speaker 1: they got married the other day, And I just wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, shout, shout out that decision. I feel like
Speaker 1: the saber metrics on celebrity couples is that this generally
Speaker 1: works out. Particularly if a famous person marries someone after
Speaker 1: they're like it seems weird. It seems like it would
Speaker 1: just create the biggest like you know, imbalance of status
Speaker 1: or whatever. But a lot of the time when somebody
Speaker 1: marries someone while they're famous and the person is not
Speaker 1: famous like that, that seems to work better than if
Speaker 1: they're both famous, or if they become famous after they've
Speaker 1: already married somebody who's not famous, like Julia Roberts is
Speaker 1: still married to the you know, hot cameraman that she
Speaker 1: married after a bunch of famous failed relationships with famous people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Danny just Alba married Cash Warren just based on his
Speaker 1: name alone, I think. But he was a p A
Speaker 1: when they got married, I think, right, yeah, gave hope
Speaker 1: to every young man. To me, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have chills because I remember like, oh, the p A
Speaker 1: because I was a p A at the time, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, this is this is my this
Speaker 1: is my track to passive stardom. That guy must exude
Speaker 1: confidence if you're a p A and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally yeah, that guy just must have it rather than
Speaker 1: like nervously stealing snacks from the crafty table like I
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Fun all these Orioles
Speaker 1: getting my jacket pocket for the ghost reminds me of
Speaker 1: like when there was there's that run I think in
Speaker 1: the nineties in college football where there were a bunch
Speaker 1: of like really great, like Heisman caliber players named Champ
Speaker 1: and it was just like, well, yeah, I mean their
Speaker 1: their parents named them Champ. Of course they were going
Speaker 1: to be fucking awesome. Like just based on the confidence alone,
Speaker 1: I bet just being named Cash were in Like he
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, no, I obviously I should marry
Speaker 1: Jessica Alba. What what are you gonna do? Champ is
Speaker 1: such a great name. Champ is a cool name. Wait,
Speaker 1: who else is there? I'm just thinking a Champ Bailey.
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't all named Champ, but there were a
Speaker 1: lot of like really cool names that were like like
Speaker 1: just basically imbuing that person as like the greatest, And
Speaker 1: it always made an impression that like that that's got
Speaker 1: to be a slight leg up when you were just
Speaker 1: forming your ability to store memories and like the first
Speaker 1: thing you learn is that your name is Champa. There's
Speaker 1: just thinking to who's I mean, who else are you
Speaker 1: thinking that? Were you thinking of Champ Bailey specifically? I
Speaker 1: was thinking a Champ Bailey. Uh, that's the draft class.
Speaker 1: So you got Peter Warwick, the Heisman nominees of Chad Pennington.
Speaker 1: Chad Pennington. It wasn't the same year. I just remember
Speaker 1: there being the era the era, there were like a
Speaker 1: handful of those people. It's really cool names. I like
Speaker 1: how you're like those are really cool names, Like, right,
Speaker 1: it's such a great simple way to look at the world, Right, man,
Speaker 1: that's a great name. Yeah. I'm like asking my mom, like,
Speaker 1: why don't you name me Champ that I feel like
Speaker 1: the cult is a good is a good name for
Speaker 1: football players, for anyone. Yeah, but like that seems to there.
Speaker 1: If you're named Cult, you're gonna be good at football
Speaker 1: in some way. Or on ninety day fiance combination of
Speaker 1: a gun and an athletic animal. Yeah, pretty cool. Alright.
Speaker 1: Uh and finally, uh, we we talked last year. This
Speaker 1: might be a correction. Uh, We're we're gonna yeah. Story.
Speaker 1: So we talked in twenty nineteen about how the story
Speaker 1: of the creation of Flaming Hot Cheetos, the origin story
Speaker 1: of Flaming Hot Cheetos, was being turned into a movie
Speaker 1: about how a man working as a janitor for frieda
Speaker 1: Lay goodwill hunting his way up the corporate ladder thanks
Speaker 1: to his recipe for a new spicy Cheetoh. The movie
Speaker 1: is titled Flame and Hot, and it is being produced
Speaker 1: by Eva Longoria and it is directive that's right by
Speaker 1: Eva Longoria. So I don't I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about this. So now the company is coming out
Speaker 1: and basically saying none of this is true, that they
Speaker 1: were test marketing this before Montagna is the supposed in
Speaker 1: ventor was claims to have even invented it. They were
Speaker 1: test marketing it in a completely different market. And that
Speaker 1: who was like this team of very like hot shit, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, food scientists who came up with the idea,
Speaker 1: which it's kind of like the exact average of if
Speaker 1: you asked me to describe the invention of any food product,
Speaker 1: That's what I would guess is that there was a
Speaker 1: team of like marketers and food scientists who got together
Speaker 1: were like, hey, these seem to be popular in a region,
Speaker 1: like I think it was Detroit here, let's develop our own.
Speaker 1: And they made a very popular food as opposed to
Speaker 1: the flame and hot version of events where he literally
Speaker 1: had a shack in his backyard that he like had
Speaker 1: his spices in and would like put spices on like
Speaker 1: Cheetos too. That's the part I don't understand. It's flaming
Speaker 1: hot Cheetos like cheetah. Anything in Cheetos is not like
Speaker 1: you're not putting like paprika. It's all chemicals, right, like
Speaker 1: you need literal test tubes and centrifuges, like how in
Speaker 1: a shock behind his house it's more like the flavor
Speaker 1: profile being of like you know, because it starts being
Speaker 1: based in real world flavors and then synthesized into this
Speaker 1: other thing that canet mash produced. Might have them Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: flame and hot cheet Oh yeah yeah, I love flaming
Speaker 1: hot cheetos. Can't can't stop beating him when you start
Speaker 1: hearting him. That's a hard part about him. But like,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I've worked in places where an idea
Speaker 1: I had was claimed to be the idea of someone
Speaker 1: above me, and the or and that becomes the story
Speaker 1: of a concept is like, oh no, it's that guy
Speaker 1: that made it, and there's no I mean like, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: can you get the emails out? Because you know, I
Speaker 1: pitched that thing, and I know it came out of
Speaker 1: this officer, but that actually came for me. And when
Speaker 1: I read like sort of how some of the people like,
Speaker 1: you know, we looked into it and this person wasn't
Speaker 1: connected it. He also feels like it's very a very
Speaker 1: realistic possibility too, is like that maybe this guy really did,
Speaker 1: you know, get these people to say we need to
Speaker 1: consider this. They take his idea and on all the
Speaker 1: documentation it comes out of this office where he may
Speaker 1: have worked, but attributed to someone else because they don't
Speaker 1: want to admit someone who didn't even have anything to
Speaker 1: do with our department actually gave us this like idea
Speaker 1: and we don't want to, you know, we don't want
Speaker 1: to give any credence to this idea. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that's where I'm just kind of like, I'm a
Speaker 1: little It just seems weird because they were letting this
Speaker 1: be the you know, they were saying that we we
Speaker 1: we allowed the rumor to stand for long enough. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: what so the woman who was like primarily she was
Speaker 1: a recent grad from a the Warton of Food Science,
Speaker 1: I guess, and she, uh, she was the main driver
Speaker 1: of the Flaming Cheetoh flaming hot Cheetoh development process, and
Speaker 1: somebody brought this to her attention. She since retired every
Speaker 1: most people who were involved with the development were retired,
Speaker 1: and so they weren't really paying attention. And then she
Speaker 1: kind of launched an inquiry to be like I'm being
Speaker 1: removed from this story. Uh, and it's just not true.
Speaker 1: And that's now how this is coming out, So you
Speaker 1: don't feel so maybe I mean yeah, if if I
Speaker 1: were her Lynn Greenfield, is that here, I would feel bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if I got a raise from the
Speaker 1: Flaming Hot Cheetos story, i'd feel bad too. But once
Speaker 1: you sort of back up as a company the story,
Speaker 1: just give everybody the freaking story. It's a nice story.
Speaker 1: The guy like sort amount of thing, like, everybody, just
Speaker 1: give him the story. Give Lynn some other cheeto flavor, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean one of the kind of ideas is that
Speaker 1: maybe he invented like the hot popcorn flavor, which because
Speaker 1: Flaming hut Cheetos was already being pushed in marketing material
Speaker 1: in before the ceo who he pitched Flaming hut Cheetos
Speaker 1: two in his story was even like the CEO of
Speaker 1: the company. So it's the timeline doesn't really line up. Um,
Speaker 1: so they think maybe he developed another spicy snack and
Speaker 1: it's just being tossed together that emerges from like, you know,
Speaker 1: the provenance of ask me. He should be happy because
Speaker 1: now his movie actually sounds interesting to me. Before the
Speaker 1: movie sounded kind of boring. It's like, great, poor guy
Speaker 1: in Vince Cheeto like, but now it's sort of like
Speaker 1: there's a tug awar at the end, it's got it's
Speaker 1: got more twists and turns. We'll see if they acknowledge
Speaker 1: that part, because I know like on some level they
Speaker 1: think it could be a Christian film because that's the
Speaker 1: production it is, like, yeah, and his like he says
Speaker 1: like like God helped him conceive the idea. Oh no,
Speaker 1: so the production stories don't have a lot of twists
Speaker 1: and turns general, they sort of straight ahead. It's going
Speaker 1: to end with like Lynn Greenfield being like smited by
Speaker 1: the Lord or something, or just them coming through and
Speaker 1: being like we had this idea from our science and
Speaker 1: you know then, But I like that our writer j
Speaker 1: m is pointing, is pointing out that they could also
Speaker 1: approach this as like the All the President's Men, where
Speaker 1: the l A Times is trying to get to the
Speaker 1: truth of this elaborate conspiracy. So that's another angle you
Speaker 1: can take on it. Right, Maybe these maybe this is
Speaker 1: just instead of being one small movie that's made next year,
Speaker 1: it could be all the movies that are released next year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The new podcast. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Dan just
Speaker 1: pricked up. Yeah, well, hey, I said it first, I
Speaker 1: send it to yourself. She does mail it to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Jack mail this episode to ourselves. That's so old school.
Speaker 1: I used to do that. I used to do we
Speaker 1: always we love That joke wasn't a joke, it was
Speaker 1: really you would always mail it to yourself. I've done that.
Speaker 1: Or you have an idea and and you you you
Speaker 1: don't have the balls to be like I'm cooperating this,
Speaker 1: but you mail it to yourself and then you don't
Speaker 1: open it, and then they have time stamped, then you
Speaker 1: have time stamp. It was a rough It was a
Speaker 1: different time, man. Yeah. The number of dumb ideas I've
Speaker 1: like claimed, yeah, well, like I was, I'd open it,
Speaker 1: but then it would be null employed But look it's
Speaker 1: from eight ties into the flame and hut Cheetos thing
Speaker 1: is my big idea when I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1: And this is a great indicator of how dumb I was.
Speaker 1: Was Pretzel Eminem's I was. I was like demanding that
Speaker 1: people hear me out that Pretzel Eminem's were going to
Speaker 1: be great, and then like five years later they became
Speaker 1: a thing and they're not that good. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not as good as I thought they were going
Speaker 1: to be. So first I was like, oh, they took
Speaker 1: my idea, which like, that's not how that's not how
Speaker 1: capitalism works. Man, you don't just say it. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then right, it's yeah, it's it's always a hard uh,
Speaker 1: just a hard one to go up against when you're
Speaker 1: claiming you you were back by a corporation to this
Speaker 1: massive idea. I thought of Fabreeze first. Anyways, Eva Longoria
Speaker 1: hit me up. We'll we'll tell my story about Prett's leminom. Uh. Dan,
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist? Man?
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you, experience you uh
Speaker 1: d Toberski on Twitter? And then the line is on
Speaker 1: is on Apple uh podcasts and wherever podcasts are available.
Speaker 1: What is the line? For the most part, it's called
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah about Eddie Gallagher. Yeah, about Eddie Gallagher,
Speaker 1: War crimes, Navy Seals, Forever Wars. It's pretty intense, but
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a good chucking listen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was listening to the first episode. It's it's really a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it grabs you, and I think also really challenges
Speaker 1: the listener in a way to sort of consider the
Speaker 1: worldview of these people who are like fucking warrior killer
Speaker 1: types and you're like, there's a there are many like
Speaker 1: these people are not living a normal in a normal
Speaker 1: place like you or I are, and it Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting good Uh. And is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Oh god, um, no, okay, here you get honest. Uh, Miles,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? And what's the tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Uh? You can find me on Twitter and
Speaker 1: Instagram at Miles of Gray. And then also the other
Speaker 1: podcast four twenty Day Fiance, you know, to talk about
Speaker 1: the easy goingness of fiance. Some tweets that I like.
Speaker 1: First one is from Joanna Bournes at Robotics tweeted, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: my team at Big Corporation is hiring most depressing job
Speaker 1: title you've ever heard work with me. Very interesting tweet
Speaker 1: Jordan Morris, I guess from last week. He also tweeted,
Speaker 1: there don't from the six the Minutes thing, you know,
Speaker 1: the one the dude who had the goatee who is talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, there's a very yeah
Speaker 1: that and he he has an image of this guy
Speaker 1: and he says the guy in sixty minutes, who told
Speaker 1: us UFOs are real looks like he'd also a corner
Speaker 1: you at a party and explain his complicated method for
Speaker 1: getting out of d U I s but can't can't
Speaker 1: just be a penny. It's got to be a penny
Speaker 1: and a dime under your tongue. And then they can't
Speaker 1: right right right you They won't even know, and then
Speaker 1: finally a Lauren order at Kim. Laura Dashian tweeted, d
Speaker 1: c is girl Boss and yc is Gate Keep and
Speaker 1: l a is Gaslight. This clears things up. I think
Speaker 1: it does. I think I think we're all wise right now.
Speaker 1: Uh tweet I've been enjoying. Let's go with April said,
Speaker 1: I used to think Stockholm syndrome was bad, but now
Speaker 1: that I have it, I think it's good. Who April
Speaker 1: at auto guy in files so auto A U t
Speaker 1: O G y N E f I L E S
Speaker 1: guy in Aisles. You can find me on Twitter, Jack
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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song are we recommending today? This is a track
Speaker 1: from from a track called Yuinion Why i N y
Speaker 1: i N And it's called Paw fin h Aw Space
Speaker 1: p h i N. And it's got a very like
Speaker 1: psychedelic surf rock kind of vibe to it, Like if
Speaker 1: you like Krungbin, you'll probably dig this track. But it's
Speaker 1: also got sort of like these like Asian like melodic
Speaker 1: scale guitar licks in it as well. It's just a nice,
Speaker 1: nice listen, you know. It kind of takes you want
Speaker 1: to like going on a surf tour of Bali or
Speaker 1: song yeah Union. All right, Well, the Daily Zikes the
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