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Speaker 1: is I mean, you are the first. You are the
Speaker 1: first guests that we've had who will admit that they
Speaker 1: were at the riots on January six. I keep thinking
Speaker 1: about how sick it would be if they came from me.
Speaker 1: I mean, just the headlines. That would be so good
Speaker 1: for my Twitter profile. Right, They're like, ye, there, I'm
Speaker 1: a report. Were you talking about a journalist? They're like, okay, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: that would that would for sure lend me a spot
Speaker 1: on Joe rogans Poke podcast. Yeah, oh hell yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'll be like it's because I was Muslim they did
Speaker 1: that to me, And he's like smoking weed. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: any because thanks Joe. How are you, like, where do
Speaker 1: you reside normally? I live in Newark, New Jersey, Brick
Speaker 1: City okay o'ne yeah, and my man fucking uh as
Speaker 1: I like to say my first fake I D was
Speaker 1: red Man's birth name, Reggie Noble, so big, highest respects
Speaker 1: to Brick City. But so when you went down to
Speaker 1: the Capitol like you were, just like, I'm I need
Speaker 1: to see what is going, like, I need to go
Speaker 1: see what's gonna Know. I thought it was like my
Speaker 1: last chance to catch a Trump. You know, this is
Speaker 1: supposed to be his last ditch effort before the vote
Speaker 1: was certified, before it was official that Biden had won.
Speaker 1: Everybody had to shut up and just handle it. So
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, this is my last opportunity to go
Speaker 1: and and kind of get some closure and talk to
Speaker 1: some Trump supporters who were there as Trump supporters. Otherwise
Speaker 1: it would have to go to like n R A
Speaker 1: rallies or you know, anything else. So I was just
Speaker 1: excited to go and catch like the cost players one
Speaker 1: last time. And then they then Oh man, I mean
Speaker 1: I still think about that day a lot because of
Speaker 1: how naive I was to not see it coming. At
Speaker 1: the same time, I guess I just knew that something
Speaker 1: was about to go down. I still think about it
Speaker 1: a lot. And I wasn't there, man, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people do. That's wild that you were there.
Speaker 1: That's like d Day of the culture Wars. All right, man,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the actually we talked about like ideological similarities with
Speaker 1: the right, the mainstream in America basically, and uh, the
Speaker 1: coverage of Israel. But uh, we're gonna talk about just
Speaker 1: more connections there and even like the weapon read pipeline
Speaker 1: that connection. Yeah, like we're literally we're getting the same
Speaker 1: tactics used on us over here, Yes, exactly, so you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they train our cops. Yeah, we'll talk about bipartisanship. Where'd
Speaker 1: it go? You guys? Come on, I mean, did you
Speaker 1: miss them out? Like it's some virtue and ship. Come on, guys,
Speaker 1: where'd it go? Uh? I remember a time when New
Speaker 1: Gingrich and I could just sit down and have a
Speaker 1: meal together. We're talking about the even dumber version of
Speaker 1: mad Max. Like Matt Max is not like a version
Speaker 1: of the future that is particularly known for it's air udition,
Speaker 1: but we are, we are kind of descending into an
Speaker 1: even dumber version of mat Max. So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about but fucker three thousand, Uh no context
Speaker 1: needed all of that plenty more. But first, aim and
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are? Where
Speaker 1: are you? Okay, let me let me pop up in
Speaker 1: my Google right now and I'll be doing blunt. I'll
Speaker 1: be real. I love Okay. The last thing, The last
Speaker 1: thing I searched was Gigi Hadid is really been fucking
Speaker 1: duncan with their infographics. It's because on the Daily Mail
Speaker 1: they had like a picture of like Gaza blowing up
Speaker 1: and and they said the Hadid sisters are attacking Israel,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, They're like they're
Speaker 1: out there the work need Yeah, yeah, they were in
Speaker 1: the streets like that Daily Mail, I guess had a
Speaker 1: little wrong. They weren't so accurate. They didn't they didn't
Speaker 1: actually set different kind of agenda with that headline for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I needed to know more, right, And it wasn't
Speaker 1: just merely because they were like pointing to the fact
Speaker 1: that they were posting information about what was happening like
Speaker 1: on their social media, and I think they were just
Speaker 1: announcing to the world that they were half Palestinian, and
Speaker 1: so they're taking it personally like these are two Palestinian
Speaker 1: women are the half Dutch, half Palestinians. You're just saying,
Speaker 1: we empathize with the people who are being killed on
Speaker 1: the ground, the Palestinians. And Daily Mail was like, uh,
Speaker 1: is that is that? As I feel for anti Semitism
Speaker 1: right now, it's really on on the highest it's ever been,
Speaker 1: just to completely misconstrue something like what's happening to be
Speaker 1: like oh no, no, no, don't talk spicy now that
Speaker 1: you might be getting an anti Semitic territories like now
Speaker 1: these people against Zionism and still be uh not anti Semitic.
Speaker 1: I was just scrolling on Twitter non stop, so I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't think if they think I'm reading
Speaker 1: news anymore. I'm just looking at headlines like everybody else.
Speaker 1: Doom School. I was up until three o'clock last night
Speaker 1: just looking and refreshing and trying to get a sense
Speaker 1: for what the fund is happening in the world. And
Speaker 1: the more I'm on it, the less I know. It's crazy, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's just and it unfortunately it's like yeah, it
Speaker 1: feeds into already just all the ship that we're experiencing too,
Speaker 1: and can yeah, become even a more of a tremendous way. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: m what is something? Yeah, what is something you think
Speaker 1: is overrated? Twitter? Okay, I mean we're on it. How
Speaker 1: many users actually are even on Twitter? Like when we
Speaker 1: think about the like the discourse of what what's happening
Speaker 1: on American and what people are talking about. Usually I
Speaker 1: would think about, like what people are talking about on
Speaker 1: Twitter and it was trending or whatever. But there's so
Speaker 1: few users when thinking about how many Americans there are,
Speaker 1: let alone how many people in the world there are,
Speaker 1: So it almost feel like there's just this playpen in
Speaker 1: the middle of the playground where people are just being
Speaker 1: mean to each other. And sometimes I mean I might
Speaker 1: be speaking for myself here, but I might be thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: well now we need to like work on this and
Speaker 1: figure this out instead of letting people be angry invented
Speaker 1: out of each other. Yeah, I would say it's overrated.
Speaker 1: And and I'm somebody who's like refreshing trying to get
Speaker 1: my follower counter up. I'm trying to get the numbers up.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, And it's not like you know, And
Speaker 1: I think I could trace it back to the moment
Speaker 1: where I had a photography job. I was like shooting
Speaker 1: something from Microsoft at our basil in Miami, and I
Speaker 1: guess the person in charge was like, hey, how many
Speaker 1: followers you have? And I was like, let me check,
Speaker 1: I don't know, twelve and it ended up being like
Speaker 1: six and he was like okay, okay, and then they
Speaker 1: replaced me. They got some other photographer who was worse,
Speaker 1: just had more followers. So after that, playing like I
Speaker 1: can't let this happen again. I gotta get I gotta
Speaker 1: get up. Bro. That's even worse than like a college degree,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're well, youven't got a
Speaker 1: college degree. Well, sorry, you can't get this job. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, you can't get this work because
Speaker 1: your followers aren't right to do with your ability, I know.
Speaker 1: And as a journalist, it almost feels like you get
Speaker 1: into this because you want to tell the truth and
Speaker 1: you want to you want to get your perspective out there,
Speaker 1: and then you end up having to fight for followers
Speaker 1: and play this cloud game so that you can actually
Speaker 1: get your work seen because a lot of people won't
Speaker 1: even look at you, look at your work unless you
Speaker 1: have the right amount of followers, right, Yeah, It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty stupid. Does that like affect, you know, because we
Speaker 1: talked about how much you know the format of ad
Speaker 1: revenue on you know, media sit especially news, like how
Speaker 1: click bait and getting clicks can be like a certain
Speaker 1: like publications north Star essentially on how to like create
Speaker 1: more numbers, more traffic, more engagement to the site. Do
Speaker 1: you like from your perspective, do you think sometimes that
Speaker 1: does have an effect like on the journalists themselves. I
Speaker 1: know it's one thing for maybe the editors to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: we we we got to start talking like this or whatever.
Speaker 1: We want more headlines like this, But like you're saying too,
Speaker 1: because Twitter and follower accounts are such a big deal
Speaker 1: like that, that's also having this other effect on the
Speaker 1: work that people do. Mhmm. That's a good question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you made the distinction between editors and journalists.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say for me that your work is
Speaker 1: affected by what's popular, because a lot of journalists are
Speaker 1: just chasing their heart and they'll do like the easy
Speaker 1: stuff on the side so that they can in a
Speaker 1: way subsidize the bigger pieces that they want to do.
Speaker 1: A lot of journalists have quotas where they need to
Speaker 1: put out a certain number of pieces. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's this new system emerging and that I'm starting to
Speaker 1: see more and more outlets stick to where instead of
Speaker 1: looking at the number of pieces you put out, they're
Speaker 1: looking at the traffic you generate for the website right right,
Speaker 1: and they're using that metric based on how much they
Speaker 1: can sell and ad for on the real estate on
Speaker 1: the site. Right. They take those numbers and they use
Speaker 1: that to sell ads against. So that's what's making the money.
Speaker 1: So you know, for someone like me, where I have
Speaker 1: like a certain number I have to hit, I can
Speaker 1: put out the easy ones that I think are just
Speaker 1: gonna you know, like I could do one on COVID,
Speaker 1: which is like guaranteed to get a certain number. But
Speaker 1: then I have like the other side ones where I
Speaker 1: can spend you know, like a month on on the
Speaker 1: side because it means a lot to me. But that
Speaker 1: won't get the traffic. But I'll be proud of it.
Speaker 1: You know. I just put out this piece a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago actually about the pollution of my neighborhood
Speaker 1: and environmental justice. So I'm from Nework, New Jersey. It's
Speaker 1: one of the most toxic places in America. We have
Speaker 1: like four superfund sites like within a like a three
Speaker 1: mile radio so where I live, super fund sites of
Speaker 1: spots that are too toxic to build on, so they
Speaker 1: just bury huge amounts of crossing ages under the ground
Speaker 1: and they just leave it like that. So I wrote
Speaker 1: a piece about like the pollution, and I know that
Speaker 1: people are tired of it. You know, nobody's gonna really
Speaker 1: want to like spend a lot of time on this
Speaker 1: piece because it's depressing as hell, and I get that.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy to put that out and that makes
Speaker 1: me feel like I did. I did a good job
Speaker 1: this month as a journalist. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm also gonna run a piece about this doctor who's
Speaker 1: going to bars and trying to convince people to to
Speaker 1: get a vaccine shop for a free pint of beer,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's like pretty clickie. So
Speaker 1: I could do both. It's cool, right, Yeah, you're thought
Speaker 1: three thousand was pretty cool. That's all People just don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that story again, is about it someone who doesn't. These
Speaker 1: digital court hearings are mess. I don't know why they think.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the other with the group of the
Speaker 1: Chance makes people who like their homies like zoom bombs
Speaker 1: the fucking hearing. That's amazing. Yeah, I mean I've been
Speaker 1: on the Yeah, we're talking about the two like you
Speaker 1: do it. If if if there's a way for the
Speaker 1: homies to crash your court hearing, that's on the that's
Speaker 1: on whoever you organized that. Yeah, PPM bro that they
Speaker 1: can't find you go to the library or some ship. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was just gonna say that somebody on
Speaker 1: the editor youll side, like you definitely note who's like
Speaker 1: been on a couple of different like editorial and like
Speaker 1: pitch reviewing boards. You definitely see people who just pitched
Speaker 1: to whatever they see succeeding, whatever they see getting published,
Speaker 1: whatever they see getting like likes, and then it just
Speaker 1: becomes this funnel. I mean it's similar to Twitter, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, anything that is that reward based,
Speaker 1: like that's gonna inevitably like kind of start funneling into
Speaker 1: sort of a self fulfilling type of these like little
Speaker 1: funnels of information of like what people want to hear.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like I used to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more positive about how the Internet and social media
Speaker 1: and things like that, we're changing it so that there
Speaker 1: wasn't just this this board of like all knowing people
Speaker 1: who were the keepers of what got published like in
Speaker 1: a magazine or in a newspaper. I think we kind
Speaker 1: of have to go back to that. We we just
Speaker 1: they don't all have to be white guys in their
Speaker 1: forties and fifties, I think if we can address that,
Speaker 1: but like still have people who are just focused on
Speaker 1: what their duty is as as a media outlet, as
Speaker 1: opposed to what is hitting right now, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: but that that assumes we have a future where there's
Speaker 1: still media like that hasn't been taken over by Facebook.
Speaker 1: So I got a couple of problems to solve there.
Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, let's get to make a Mallory on
Speaker 1: that board or Nicolehanda Jones. Yeah, yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: what that would look like. What is what's something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? Plants? I love plants, man, I think plants.
Speaker 1: I have so many, so many plants, and I want more.
Speaker 1: And there's something I think on this topic. It's and
Speaker 1: there's something really powerful about having to wait for something,
Speaker 1: you know, especially on Twitter, where everything is about the immediate,
Speaker 1: like you're pulling down and refreshing like a freaking slot
Speaker 1: machine and everything just you get everything right away. So
Speaker 1: I think there's something really powerful and slowly watering a plant,
Speaker 1: taking care of it, checking, checking the soil, making sure
Speaker 1: it's not dry, and waiting for a month for that
Speaker 1: first sprout, and then propagating, taking the leaves and soaking
Speaker 1: them in water so that they can sprout new roots.
Speaker 1: There's like something incredibly meditative about waiting, you know. So
Speaker 1: I think Plants Team Bible. It was because of COVID man.
Speaker 1: Because COVID I had to stay home like everybody else,
Speaker 1: and it drove me crazy, and I felt like I
Speaker 1: needed something to pull me away from the screens because
Speaker 1: I was going from tiny screen to medium screen to
Speaker 1: big screen to medium screening the small screen just so
Speaker 1: I needed to I needed like an activity in my
Speaker 1: in my city environment where there's really not a lot
Speaker 1: of space. So I needed something to do. And U
Speaker 1: joined like this plant club where they gave you a
Speaker 1: bunch of free plants, and that like really, it hit me, man,
Speaker 1: it was. It hit me right in like three seconds.
Speaker 1: I sat down. I was just staring at it like
Speaker 1: the little seed and waiting for it to pop out,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is dope. I want to
Speaker 1: do this all day, just staring at dirt. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got I got notes on this plant. It's taken away
Speaker 1: too long. We need a little bit more action up front,
Speaker 1: maybe just a little tease. Just give me a little
Speaker 1: bit up front on this plant. Right, I don't know
Speaker 1: where's the smoke machine. I don't like this one, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. We we propagate in my crib because it's
Speaker 1: the second Like my mom she loves succulents and stuff,
Speaker 1: and so when she first put us on too, like, no,
Speaker 1: just live it off and get that thing going, and
Speaker 1: then you can keep exponentially multiplying. And now we're like
Speaker 1: kind of addicted to it. Like we got so many
Speaker 1: clippings soaking in water that like at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do we do with all these? But
Speaker 1: it is nice to like even the process. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some meditative aspect to it because there is feedback, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's not a process devoid of feedback, but it
Speaker 1: takes time. And I think being able to sit within
Speaker 1: those like intervals without the feedback is you know where
Speaker 1: the zen comes in. Dude, I put it. I put
Speaker 1: a couple of leaves in some some cups, some glass
Speaker 1: cups so I can wash the roots. And wife it
Speaker 1: was like her favorite cups, so she took it and
Speaker 1: put it in like this plastic cup that you can't
Speaker 1: see through, and I was flipped out. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I need to see the rudes.
Speaker 1: I need to see the roots. I have to see
Speaker 1: what's going on. I need to feedback. So I'm still addicted,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I'm working on it. The best is
Speaker 1: when you see a leave coming out and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker about to unfurrow. On the go on. Then
Speaker 1: I just got a shot of dopamine when you said that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny because yeah, my partner should be like here,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen either today or tomorrow. It's you can
Speaker 1: see his bust and always from trying to bust open all.
Speaker 1: Come on, now you do your thing. That was the
Speaker 1: horniest description of plant life. I'm not gonna lie. We
Speaker 1: have a bird of Paradise that it is a little
Speaker 1: erotic because we had a bird of paradise where the
Speaker 1: you know, like when the flowers come out, they undulate
Speaker 1: with all this fucking energy. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this thing because it has to
Speaker 1: you know, is getting gross loss of this is you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm making my next court appearance
Speaker 1: undulate three? Un What was that song by that like
Speaker 1: kind of electronic Oh, tessellate that's what it was, not undulated.
Speaker 1: But I was like, all right, that was a weird
Speaker 1: way to describe sex. But yeah, I really like the
Speaker 1: point about time, like mixing up the things you're interacting with,
Speaker 1: the living things you're interacting with them, like the timeline
Speaker 1: they're on like that they that that just like slows
Speaker 1: you down a little bit. Like and if you have
Speaker 1: a relationship with something that moves at the pace of
Speaker 1: like days as opposed to you know, seconds, that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I hadn't really thought about it that way.
Speaker 1: Did you get some plans? Man, Yeah, I should. Uh, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we've we've been saying that for a long time. Amen.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, well there's the I would saying, hey,
Speaker 1: let me grow weed in your garage. You're not using it.
Speaker 1: Benny keeps saying no. But you know, whatever, the point remains.
Speaker 1: You know, you should get you should get into plants.
Speaker 1: The electric companies starting to pay attention, Miles that I said,
Speaker 1: I'll bring Jenny's and I got the carbon filter so
Speaker 1: your neighbors won't even know it smells. And I'll instant
Speaker 1: the roof of your garage so if the cops come
Speaker 1: through looking for the heat. You know, Mark keeps knocking down, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you all right, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. And we're back, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're continuing to aim. And as you were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, my monitor doom scroll about what's happening Gaza
Speaker 1: and Miles you were you were pointing out this one
Speaker 1: specific headline that jumped out at you brought you back
Speaker 1: to the days of Ferguson, because just watching this ship, right,
Speaker 1: you start to just see the language and the tools
Speaker 1: of oppressors and how they're deployed, and how identical the
Speaker 1: strategies are. Like I've always I've never for a second
Speaker 1: been like, oh man, like I wonder, what's what's really
Speaker 1: the deal with Israel and Palastine. I've had a pretty
Speaker 1: clear understanding from the beginning, but I've over the last
Speaker 1: few days it really came into focus just how identical
Speaker 1: nearly people's situations are in terms of seeking freedom, liberation, equity, justice,
Speaker 1: and what their responses are and what the strategies are
Speaker 1: for oppressors to sort of keep these marginalized groups where
Speaker 1: they are and to keep people ignorant. And you know,
Speaker 1: for example, like the media, then the same thing you've
Speaker 1: got people like the New York Times are the you know,
Speaker 1: most mainstream media in the in the West is not
Speaker 1: gonna say illegal occupation or ethnic cleansing much in the
Speaker 1: same way they were not going to say systemic white
Speaker 1: supremacy or violent police uh, to obscure what was happening
Speaker 1: in this country. You have leaders like Joe Biden who
Speaker 1: were gonna equate rock throwing to like leveling residential blocks
Speaker 1: and say, oh, man, shame on the shame on the Palestinians.
Speaker 1: I've got no smoke for the Israelis for real, not
Speaker 1: like that. The rock throwing is the w And exactly why,
Speaker 1: you know, in the build up to the primaries and things,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is not a leader who's because
Speaker 1: you knew, you know what time it is with Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: He's never going to say something negative against this. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's not gonna happen. But that's also why that's
Speaker 1: a president who is not really interested in the liberation
Speaker 1: of oppressed people either. In fact, he's on the side
Speaker 1: of the oppressor. You got n Yaho doing the same
Speaker 1: ship that even Fox News does, which is show old
Speaker 1: dated footage of some ship that happened a few years
Speaker 1: ago and be like, can you believe what's going on?
Speaker 1: It's like you're showing a two year old clip, just
Speaker 1: like when they were when they were like Fox News
Speaker 1: is showing clips of Ferguson and saying that's what's happening
Speaker 1: in and it's just all of this thing. You see.
Speaker 1: Children are taught that the history of Palestine in Israel
Speaker 1: is just so complex, you know, it's like that's not
Speaker 1: really even get into it also complex, much in the
Speaker 1: same way you have children in this country being like
Speaker 1: they think the Civil War was over commerce and trade,
Speaker 1: it being so complex, it being like an intractable like
Speaker 1: problem with no solution. That is that was the main
Speaker 1: message that I got throughout my life about Israel. Impels
Speaker 1: ancient battle. It's not ancient, it's years right, And yes,
Speaker 1: while there are some complexities, you look at what's happening
Speaker 1: right now and the forces that are at play now,
Speaker 1: and it's not that complex. It's not really. I mean
Speaker 1: you're looking at they are slowly trying to kill these
Speaker 1: people very systematically. It's just all there for everyone to see.
Speaker 1: But it's because we have a media appress goes no,
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think so, and you have
Speaker 1: leaders to be like no, no, no, they they're they're
Speaker 1: firing rockets and stuff. So I think, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's a bad look for them. It's really, it's awful,
Speaker 1: and it's it turns these moments and turns our history
Speaker 1: into these nebulous, amorphous topics that can never have a
Speaker 1: reckoning because they're too complex to talk about. And then
Speaker 1: so this is what I was talking about this next thing.
Speaker 1: So then I was watching the footage right because the
Speaker 1: violence that's happening in Israel. Now you have Palestinians who
Speaker 1: are taken to the streets to protest because yes, they're
Speaker 1: they're advocating for themselves and their people, and they're being
Speaker 1: met with these pacification weapons that I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: ship looks a lot like the US. Look at that
Speaker 1: thing spraying the water on everyone. Then I'm like wait,
Speaker 1: then I'm reading about. It's called the skunk and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's meant there to to spray this like
Speaker 1: odorous water liquid that you can't wash off your scandal,
Speaker 1: stick to your hair. Are the walls. They will just
Speaker 1: blast whole towns for daring to protest, like a punitive
Speaker 1: measures would be like, okay, well then we're gonna make
Speaker 1: it smell like shit. And on top of it, the
Speaker 1: way to get the stink off is with a soap
Speaker 1: that police have exclusive access to. So this is what
Speaker 1: we're talking. Then I remember this headline from after Ferguson unrest. St.
Speaker 1: Louis police bought stink weapons to launch at protesters. This
Speaker 1: is made by a company called odor Tech, which is
Speaker 1: an Israeli company, And I'm like, that's right, because many
Speaker 1: activists know there's the pipeline of pacification tactics, police brutality,
Speaker 1: or whatever these technologies are. It's it's we pass them
Speaker 1: back and forth. Israeli's perfect diship on the Palestinians. And
Speaker 1: then they come to the like, hey, this ship works,
Speaker 1: and what they say it's been field tested, meaning it's
Speaker 1: been deployed against human beings and Gaza Palestinians whoever, and
Speaker 1: then we buy them and I'm like, Jesus christ Man,
Speaker 1: We're it's the we're the We're on this. We're fighting
Speaker 1: the same fucking people. Now, maybe the way we got
Speaker 1: here very different, but they're the way they look at us,
Speaker 1: the way they use the media to de human whether
Speaker 1: it's black people being dehumanized through media for decades or
Speaker 1: Arabs being dehumanized through film and media for decades, it's
Speaker 1: like all the same ship. And I just it just
Speaker 1: crushed me again to just look at it all like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck, it's so true though, And it's
Speaker 1: the craziest part for me is that we know we're
Speaker 1: all religious people, right, We're we're supposed to have read
Speaker 1: these texts and learned these lessons, right, And if you
Speaker 1: read the Bible or the Torah or the quota on
Speaker 1: God is never on the side of the oppressor. In fact,
Speaker 1: a lot of these are basically instructions on how to
Speaker 1: resist oppression and fight fascism. Right. Jesus was the socialist, right,
Speaker 1: and so these kinds of conflicts are ancient, right, The
Speaker 1: one like we've been kind of fighting as humans against
Speaker 1: the oppressor for as long as they've been humans. And
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's really interesting that you brought that
Speaker 1: to Ferguson, because I was I was there as a
Speaker 1: journalist and I saw a lot of people waving Palestinian flags,
Speaker 1: are wearing the Palestinian cafe is the scars, the black
Speaker 1: and white patterns scars, and this is something you see
Speaker 1: at any uprising in America and any of these revolutionary stuff.
Speaker 1: And so what I think is really interesting is thinking
Speaker 1: of the Palestinian Israeli conflict, thinking about that conflict, but
Speaker 1: also looking at the lessons from like Jesus Christ and
Speaker 1: like what Jesus would have done if he was there,
Speaker 1: or looking at Mohammad the Islamic prophet and like what
Speaker 1: he would have done if he was there, or even
Speaker 1: thinking about like Malcolm X or Martin Luther King or Gandhi.
Speaker 1: You know, we have all of these examples that we
Speaker 1: want to uphold and and think of and and and
Speaker 1: idolize and create statues for, but we don't think of
Speaker 1: what they would do in these contexts. We still see
Speaker 1: so many people who are religious taking the side of
Speaker 1: the oppressor. And there's this really fantastic quote from from
Speaker 1: Malcolm X that I always see floating around. If you're
Speaker 1: not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
Speaker 1: who are being oppressed and loving the people who are
Speaker 1: doing the oppressive. And I think that is incredibly valuable
Speaker 1: in a time like this, where we do live in
Speaker 1: a society where we aren't just neutral in America, we
Speaker 1: are participating in the oppression of the Palestinians, and so
Speaker 1: we need to be very careful, very careful about what
Speaker 1: we're reading, what people around us are reading, so we
Speaker 1: don't fall into the trappings, you know, not falling for
Speaker 1: the lie that this is an equal fight, this is
Speaker 1: just a conflict, and that throwing stones is the same
Speaker 1: as leavening, you know, a civilian residential building. People fam
Speaker 1: fanboy out about fan girl out about Hunger Games, like
Speaker 1: they'll they'll watch the Hunger Games and then go out
Speaker 1: and root for the capital like that. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's America. But that's but that's like the genius of
Speaker 1: that media too, you know what I mean, completely fox
Speaker 1: up your perception of what it is and where your
Speaker 1: places and it and it's and it's touching too, because
Speaker 1: you know, there were mural there was there was George
Speaker 1: Floyd icnography in Gaza, you know, like because to your point,
Speaker 1: there there is a level of solidarity that we see
Speaker 1: with each other's struggles. But you'd hope that again, like
Speaker 1: this this is what this becomes really funny because you
Speaker 1: have all these brands right that we're so in on
Speaker 1: this ship in the summer, they're like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the fucking racial injustices and fucking crickets right now when
Speaker 1: you're watching some ship like this go down, and not
Speaker 1: to say like, well, this has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the United States, it does. We're giving them how many
Speaker 1: billions of dollars every years? Yeah, and what I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: We're giving them three point eight billion dollars. But then
Speaker 1: we're over here being like, oh man, we're gonna means
Speaker 1: test your fucking welfare checks because you know, we're not
Speaker 1: we're not really in the business of like helping people
Speaker 1: if you if you found out we're actually it's more
Speaker 1: it's more financially suitable for us to be in the
Speaker 1: oppression game, which makes sense because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: money to be made there, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what hurts so idly about seeing Andrew Yang saying
Speaker 1: that he was taken the side of the Israelis on
Speaker 1: Twitter because you know, as a as a minority in America,
Speaker 1: as a hyphenative American, I expect other hyphenative Americans to
Speaker 1: understand that we are all in the same fight, and
Speaker 1: that when we fight for each other's freedom, we're fighting
Speaker 1: for our own freedom. And you know, that's why you
Speaker 1: saw so many non Asians post about like stopping Asian
Speaker 1: hate and showing up to their rallies, because we know
Speaker 1: that our fates are intertwined. And so does see Andrew
Speaker 1: yank saying that he's in solidarity with the israelis Is.
Speaker 1: It was painful. It hurts way more than seeing like
Speaker 1: Tied Cruise or or Ben Shapiro taking that side, because
Speaker 1: you you expect that out of them. They don't understand
Speaker 1: and they're unwilling to understand. But somebody who is supposed
Speaker 1: to have, just just like you said, been fighting and
Speaker 1: making noise about the oppression of a black body people,
Speaker 1: you expect him to understand that this is the same
Speaker 1: battle at this point and think that's where you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the political dimensions of that is what's factoring into people's
Speaker 1: calculus and where to extend their empathy rather than just
Speaker 1: being playing it like a human and saying, oh this
Speaker 1: isn't yeah, like just just seeing it for what it
Speaker 1: is and like, no, I can't the dudes and with
Speaker 1: all the heavy met gear and ship, I'm aside with them,
Speaker 1: like m hm. And you know, somebody was trying to
Speaker 1: make the point that we expect that the Arab governments
Speaker 1: to to make the most noise about this, and but
Speaker 1: they've been like totally silent and in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases have taken the side of his room. And you know,
Speaker 1: they're in a lot of ways. It makes sense for
Speaker 1: that because these are oppressive regimes, dictatorships, presidents for life,
Speaker 1: who are you know, constantly trying to pacify their own
Speaker 1: communities in their own countries. And so as an Arab,
Speaker 1: I don't expect Saudi Arabia, of all people, who are
Speaker 1: one of the most prestive regimes on the planet, to
Speaker 1: take that that position because they won't understand, they don't
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be fighting for your survival
Speaker 1: in the same way that the Palestinians are today. But
Speaker 1: what I do find really interesting is that the country
Speaker 1: whose leaders are making the most noise right now is Ireland,
Speaker 1: you know, and that makes perfect sense because of what
Speaker 1: they've been through to get their own right to self
Speaker 1: governed from the English. So yeah, it's so obvious to
Speaker 1: me that it's all the same fight. But I'm really
Speaker 1: happy to see that most people are starting to realize that.
Speaker 1: It also starts to make sense of the U. S
Speaker 1: Foreign policy of upholding these dictators, always having a dictator
Speaker 1: in place in these countries, Like if there's a democratic uprising,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll put it down, even though they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be pro democracy, they'll put that down in favor of,
Speaker 1: you know, an authoritarian because the actually like that's that's
Speaker 1: who they need to to be on their side, is
Speaker 1: just the people in power, and it needs to be
Speaker 1: people who are completely insulated from from the concerns of
Speaker 1: people that you know, of the actual people of their
Speaker 1: country and just be you know, all about oppressors and
Speaker 1: and the struggle of the oppressor as opposed to the
Speaker 1: struggle of the people who they're even i mean, even
Speaker 1: like the things that you hear about like Zionism and
Speaker 1: manifest destiny, right, this idea that it's like, no, this
Speaker 1: is our ship, honestly, and if like people are in
Speaker 1: the way, like then sorry, you know, like the way
Speaker 1: Barri Weiss was talking about trying to somehow acknowledge that
Speaker 1: children were dying, but then use the rationalization that, well,
Speaker 1: this is part of the actualization of like the dream
Speaker 1: of Zionism becoming a reality, that that's a byproduct of that.
Speaker 1: And you just look at our own history in this
Speaker 1: country to the amount of indigenous people that were just
Speaker 1: completely there's a genocide. We're kick people off of their
Speaker 1: land and making way for these other people coming because yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, God told us this is our ship. Now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move. She called it unavoidable. The death of
Speaker 1: children was unavoidable in ad and so it's amazing that
Speaker 1: she doesn't take the next step and go, well, that's
Speaker 1: that makes Zionism incompatible with civilization then, you know, right,
Speaker 1: or what religion says, Hey, the death of children is inevitable,
Speaker 1: y'all for us to get our to get get the bag. Like, no,
Speaker 1: those things don't work together. Do you think there is
Speaker 1: some like lie that's like they they've told themselves, or
Speaker 1: do you think they're just ultimately like, no, I'm I
Speaker 1: deserve to exist and people who I'm who are of
Speaker 1: my ethnicity deserve to exist and other people don't. Or
Speaker 1: do you think there's like some way that they've Like
Speaker 1: I'm always curious about that, Like someone like Barrie Waste like,
Speaker 1: is does she know that she's straight up treating people
Speaker 1: like they don't deserve to exist because of their race
Speaker 1: and religion. Yeah, there's a couple of lives. There's there's
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of lives, actually, but I think
Speaker 1: there's a few that stand out to me is maybe
Speaker 1: the most significant. The first one I would say is
Speaker 1: that Palestinian children are taught at a young age to
Speaker 1: hate Jewish people. You know, I don't think anyone thinks
Speaker 1: that that it's necessary for Palestinian children to be to
Speaker 1: learn to hate the I d F by anyone other
Speaker 1: than the I d F. You know, you can't expect
Speaker 1: kids who are growing up in actual modern day ghettos.
Speaker 1: Gaza is often called the largest open air prison. You
Speaker 1: don't expect kids who are growing up in that prison
Speaker 1: to love the prison guards, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: think there's this um, this lie that someone like Barry
Speaker 1: would tell herself, like, well, if only they're those kids,
Speaker 1: as parents would stop teaching them to hate Israelis, that
Speaker 1: they would come around in the violence would up. It's
Speaker 1: like no that she she won't admit to herself that
Speaker 1: the violence now is a result of Israeli conquest. You know. Um.
Speaker 1: Another lie that I think plays a really huge role
Speaker 1: here is that there is that this is like in
Speaker 1: a continuation of four thousand year old story, right, that
Speaker 1: this is somehow if you look at what happened to
Speaker 1: the Jewish populations four thousand years ago, that you understand
Speaker 1: why they're they're so violent right now because they see
Speaker 1: the violence right now is justified because of what their
Speaker 1: ancestors have been going through. And you're right, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you look at it from four thousand
Speaker 1: years ago and you look at how is really Jewish
Speaker 1: people have been NonStop like oppressed everywhere that they go. Sure,
Speaker 1: like you can understand why they're so desperate for their
Speaker 1: own state, But at the same time, like who are
Speaker 1: you carrying the violence out against? Because the people who
Speaker 1: are they carring who the people who are dying right
Speaker 1: and are not your oppressors. They can't be your oppressors
Speaker 1: because they don't have any means to oppress you. The third,
Speaker 1: the third lie I think is really important. This idea
Speaker 1: that if Palestinians put down their arms, there would be peace,
Speaker 1: but if the Israelis put down their arms, there would
Speaker 1: be no more Israel. This is the justification for the
Speaker 1: two state solution, and that Palestinians and Israelis at a
Speaker 1: fundamental level are incompatible and could never live in peace
Speaker 1: because of the ways that Palestinians are anti Semitic. That's
Speaker 1: the lie. The truth is, before the creation of Israel,
Speaker 1: they were Jewish Arabs living all across the Arab world,
Speaker 1: all right. And there's also the the idea that if
Speaker 1: like Palestinians don't didn't use their arms, that there would
Speaker 1: be peace. I think the neighborhood where the evictions were
Speaker 1: happening and that sort of like sparked this last round
Speaker 1: of violence is you know, very significant in the fact
Speaker 1: that they've been experimenting with non violent resistance and that
Speaker 1: they have been trying to go to the courts and
Speaker 1: prove that the homes that they live in have been
Speaker 1: longtime residencies for generations. But the documents that they have
Speaker 1: are invalid in the Israeli courts because the Israeli courts
Speaker 1: have made them invalid right, and and they have like
Speaker 1: these non violent protests where they attain themselves to their buildings.
Speaker 1: They try and like organized, and they have both Jewish
Speaker 1: Israelis and Arab Israelis come together to to try and
Speaker 1: resist the bulldozers who are coming in to clear these
Speaker 1: homes to make ways for settlements. And they don't work.
Speaker 1: They don't work. These people are still being ethnically cleansed.
Speaker 1: So if the non violence resistance doesn't work, how can
Speaker 1: you justify saying that if only they stopped the violence,
Speaker 1: we could have peace. Because you know, there are Palestinians
Speaker 1: who have stopped the violence in the West Bank, and
Speaker 1: they don't have peace. In fact, they're they're losing ground,
Speaker 1: and they are the ones who are facing an existential threat.
Speaker 1: If the trends continue, if the settlements continue to get built,
Speaker 1: there will not be anymore West Bank. East Jerusalem will
Speaker 1: not will no longer have its ancients like Arab Muslim character.
Speaker 1: So it's it's insane. It's insane that they would believe
Speaker 1: that if only they would experiment with non violence, will
Speaker 1: look at proof proof that it doesn't. Again, That's why
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the same thing marginalized people, especially black people,
Speaker 1: will go through in this country too, which is essentially
Speaker 1: this idea that there's no acknowledgement that the status quo
Speaker 1: as it is is the violence to begin with. Two,
Speaker 1: it's just more like we would see there on the
Speaker 1: streets if they just didn't do that, or if they
Speaker 1: just stopped resisting. No, no, no, you're failing to acknowledge
Speaker 1: the environment that that has been created because of this
Speaker 1: systemic oppression. And if you can't acknowledge that, then it's
Speaker 1: a disingenuous conversation about how to get to an end
Speaker 1: point if you can't even see that this environment is
Speaker 1: violence itself, and yeah, you just hope that that's this
Speaker 1: is can reach a tipping point. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: used to be like five years ago, if you had
Speaker 1: something to say about Israel like that, you you were
Speaker 1: just pant categorically. And now it seems more and more
Speaker 1: I think people as they educate themselves or just see
Speaker 1: things for as they are, and I think probably get
Speaker 1: in touch with the the all the different forms of
Speaker 1: oppression people experience, are saying, oh, yeah, this is not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, things things do feel different this time, don't they.
Speaker 1: I mean we had CNN interviewing UH Palestinians in Palestine
Speaker 1: getting their perspective, and that's something I've never seen before. Right.
Speaker 1: We usually get like the Israeli ambassador or in Israeli
Speaker 1: pr rep to argue the targeting points and that's it.
Speaker 1: We we never hear from UH like resident and seeing
Speaker 1: an Adam on for like ten minutes. And I do
Speaker 1: think to prove what you're saying about these this all
Speaker 1: being the same fight. I think this is a result
Speaker 1: of the work that Black Lives Matter activists have been
Speaker 1: putting in all summer and last time. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's come undeniable from a marketing standpoint that if you
Speaker 1: are in the news business and you aren't talking about
Speaker 1: these perspectives, you aren't reputable anymore. And I think that's
Speaker 1: something that's changed in the past couple of years. And
Speaker 1: that's why I think outlets like MSNBC or CNN, who
Speaker 1: have never talked to these people are starting to. It's amazing, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you have like people like Aimen Mohil Dean
Speaker 1: who's like also actually during the time he has the
Speaker 1: news desk, he's like, i'most spit it from the Palestinian side, y'all.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, Meddi Hassan is also doing that.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that these people have been elevated into
Speaker 1: the mainstream media and now actually being like I'll talk
Speaker 1: some real ship for a second, and they're and they're
Speaker 1: keeping their jobs. It's amazing, Yeah, exactly. And but it's incremental.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, like we're saying, like we're I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people now are as they get
Speaker 1: more aware of what history is and what oppression is,
Speaker 1: it's harder to just do these like really disingenuous pivots
Speaker 1: and and like you know, manipulative news coverage to completely
Speaker 1: obscure what's happening. We're not out of the woods yet,
Speaker 1: but it's it's changing. Yeah, I think we're I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was on Mike, but we
Speaker 1: were talking about Colbert earlier talking about how progressive Biden
Speaker 1: is as he's like putting out all this fucking pros
Speaker 1: Raeli bullshit. Like I think the mainstream is still way behind,
Speaker 1: but it does see him, like, you know, hopefully we're
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction. Yeah, I mean, I'm curious,
Speaker 1: see was Nike gonna come out? Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean like that's and and not just the habbib
Speaker 1: sbs dunks that came out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like something real, And I think that's what that'll be
Speaker 1: a real turning point is when like like brands enter
Speaker 1: this because there was one thing for them to be
Speaker 1: quiet on, like the BLM stuff. But I'm curious if
Speaker 1: that if we'll see the crossing of that rubicon. I
Speaker 1: think I think that might be on the horizon because
Speaker 1: you know, Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, two of the
Speaker 1: biggest soccer stars, are very pro Palestine, you know, And
Speaker 1: there was this FIFA event planned where Barcelona FC was
Speaker 1: was supposed to play a game in Israel proper, and
Speaker 1: Messi came out and was like, I'm not doing that
Speaker 1: because as a way to raise awareness to the fact
Speaker 1: that Israel in a certain point basically shot Palestinian soccer
Speaker 1: players in the legs so that they can never participate
Speaker 1: in sports again. And if you're listening and that sounds unbelievable,
Speaker 1: google it. It happened. They these soccer players were shot
Speaker 1: in the legs and in the feet so that they
Speaker 1: can never play sports again. And how could you support
Speaker 1: a universal expression of sport like soccer, which is like
Speaker 1: the religion in most countries in the world, and at
Speaker 1: the same time create space to play soccer in a
Speaker 1: place where they will shoot you in the legs if
Speaker 1: you aren't the right ethnicity or the right religion, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean it definitely helps me have legs. Like
Speaker 1: like Maradonna, I remember he was he famous, he was
Speaker 1: like in my heart, I'm a Palestinian, you know, and
Speaker 1: you have people like that too, like it it helps
Speaker 1: soccer players or you know, athletes kind of get on
Speaker 1: the right page. But yet it's it's definitely it's glacial,
Speaker 1: it's like everything, but it's it's interesting to see sort
Speaker 1: of like the traditional smoke screens and be less effective
Speaker 1: than they normally are. It's interesting that athletes, i mean,
Speaker 1: like the the shut up and dribble types, like what
Speaker 1: want to shut them down extra hard because they are
Speaker 1: people who don't come up through the typical like vetting
Speaker 1: process of you know, mainstream journalists and mainstream entertainers and politicians,
Speaker 1: and so they are people who get this huge influence
Speaker 1: and their ideas haven't been vetted or even paid attention
Speaker 1: to by by like the powers that be right, So
Speaker 1: they're sometimes the only influential voices that can get out
Speaker 1: there and say the thing that isn't a p moved
Speaker 1: by you know, the the oppressors. Basically all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back, and we're back. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that's on all of our
Speaker 1: minds by partisanship, whatever happened to just you know, Democrats
Speaker 1: and Republicans being able to reach across the aisle. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what Jim Clyburn and Joe Manchin are asking right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Jim Clyburn, he's Look, he's one of
Speaker 1: the most respected black members of Congress. You know his
Speaker 1: You can't understate his influence as a member of Congress.
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Biden needed him to win South Carolina
Speaker 1: during the prime Like, I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: what Jim Clyburn does. He's underrated, like huge force in
Speaker 1: like the past year, like ship Man, that is what
Speaker 1: that is the thing the folk rum that shifted. That
Speaker 1: was like the day that people are like, oh, ship
Speaker 1: maybe Biden is going to win this thing like big
Speaker 1: South Carolina that was huge and you know all this
Speaker 1: is say now he is speaking the language of the
Speaker 1: liberal that won't fight for what is needed, and using
Speaker 1: this will don't let the perfect be the enemy of
Speaker 1: the good rhetoric to explain incremental reform because right now, look,
Speaker 1: Biden wants to have his police reform bill on his
Speaker 1: desk by May because George Floyd apparently was the only
Speaker 1: black man to be killed by police, so he felt
Speaker 1: that was like a significant day. And rather than actually
Speaker 1: saying I want substantive reform rather than some kind of
Speaker 1: big spectacular gesture on the anniversary of his killing, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's turning this process into just well, funk. How
Speaker 1: many Republicans can we get? And I just want to
Speaker 1: play this this sound bite from Jim mcclaber, because it's
Speaker 1: just it's really frustrating to hear from somebody who you
Speaker 1: think understands what the stakes are when it comes to
Speaker 1: police reform. I'm never sacrifice good on the altar of perfect.
Speaker 1: I just won't do that. I know what the person
Speaker 1: could be well being. We have proposed that. I want
Speaker 1: to see good legislation, and I know that sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to compromise. But let me say this, I have
Speaker 1: been saying from the beginning, we have well trained police officers.
Speaker 1: We've got to do a better job of recruiting police officers. Okay,
Speaker 1: bad apples, bad apples, got it, got it? Got it's
Speaker 1: bad apples. It's not the whole fucking tree is bad.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Jim recruiting the way. The thing they were
Speaker 1: talking about was qualified immunity because that's something the Senate
Speaker 1: is stalling on. They don't want the qualified immunity to
Speaker 1: be abolished, okay, because that is the practice that protects
Speaker 1: police from being sued. And if that's off the table,
Speaker 1: but then you're still giving the police carte blanche to
Speaker 1: do whatever the funk they want. So how is that
Speaker 1: gonna do anything? So again, there's another frustrating moment recently. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Republicans are gonna do this, and we know
Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but we need the good bill. And
Speaker 1: that brings us to Joe Manchin, who again is now
Speaker 1: saying he doesn't know about this voting rights bill if
Speaker 1: he can support it because he wants bipartisan ship and
Speaker 1: he wants Republicans to offer amendments to get this over
Speaker 1: the line. You remember the Stimulus bill. They offered amendments
Speaker 1: and didn't fucking vote for the thing they played, your
Speaker 1: dumb asses, So now you're gonna let this ship happen
Speaker 1: with voting rights. I mean Joe Manson, not that I
Speaker 1: expect more from him, but again, this is why we
Speaker 1: need to blow up the filibuster if it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But if we're talking in the strict, narrow context of
Speaker 1: the legislative process, they're sucking up so bad and they're
Speaker 1: completely seating ground to a group of people have no
Speaker 1: interest in furthering anything. If the Republicans had their voting rights,
Speaker 1: but it would be that nobody could vote except them,
Speaker 1: right right, All right, let's uh, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: look at our stupid future. So, like I said, Mad Max,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think Mad Max is
Speaker 1: our future. But I think we need to take that
Speaker 1: just a couple of clicks stupider because at least Mad Max,
Speaker 1: you know, future desert pirates know what to store gas in.
Speaker 1: Um they had to. So there there was this hack
Speaker 1: that froze up a fuel pipeline that led to a
Speaker 1: gas shortage in the southeast of the United States, and
Speaker 1: because that became a story, there was a run on
Speaker 1: gas and like people were stocking up on gas, and
Speaker 1: to the point the gas stations ran out of gas
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I believe they started having to issue warnings
Speaker 1: telling people not to pour gasoline into plastic bags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like if that happened in in mad Max like that,
Speaker 1: it was just like they wouldn't do that. At least
Speaker 1: they know how, like how gasoline works. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I and I get that pipeline getting acted fucking freaky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this ship really fucked up all that supply. But again,
Speaker 1: it's just like the worst part of like American consumer culture,
Speaker 1: which is like it's all fucking mind, get the funk away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to fucking gas. It's like, okay, look, you
Speaker 1: know this country will ruin a fucking whole third of
Speaker 1: the earth to get some gas, So I think you
Speaker 1: could relax that the gas I don't know, if you've
Speaker 1: seen the history of this place. The gas will flow.
Speaker 1: But it's not that there's even a guy who like
Speaker 1: accidentally think Blittest bluep his car to smoke a cigarette
Speaker 1: near it because he's the whole fucking car was filled
Speaker 1: with gas. Came he had a gas bindle stick over
Speaker 1: his shoulder, just full of gas. Findle stick. It's just
Speaker 1: a fucking hefty bag on the broomstick. I love how
Speaker 1: capitalist this whole thing is. Man, I mean these people
Speaker 1: are probably thinking, Okay, the prices are about to sword.
Speaker 1: Let me get my hands on this valuable resource and
Speaker 1: sell if I need or just like hords, be moving weight,
Speaker 1: moving moving ziplock bags of gas. Oh my god, like
Speaker 1: what you need? You need like a like a court,
Speaker 1: you need a court. So so in No, we have
Speaker 1: this cornu called Broaden Market. And this is like where
Speaker 1: all these people just like sell whatever is on their
Speaker 1: little trolley cards. And for like this whole past year
Speaker 1: after COVID, there's people selling you know, hand sanitizer in
Speaker 1: the ziplock bags, like massive amounts of like hand sanitizer
Speaker 1: and ziplock bags. And then aw, I'm like wondering if
Speaker 1: I need some gas, if I could just go there
Speaker 1: and get something, right, if they go for you, I
Speaker 1: prefer my hand sanitizer to be artisan and thatches handmade,
Speaker 1: homemade bang birthen clay pot. Yeah. I mean this is
Speaker 1: just like it's not just the climate change that's gonna
Speaker 1: kill us. I feel like there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of people you know you do see this in the
Speaker 1: post apocalyptic movies that it's also rsp these inability to
Speaker 1: think critically in the face of, in this case, discomfort
Speaker 1: and fear. So there's a second storyline that I feel
Speaker 1: like kinda ties in with this, and that is how
Speaker 1: we're trying to get people to vaccinate themselves from the
Speaker 1: global pandemic that we're still living through. We are make
Speaker 1: it sexier for me just be that I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: safe and inoculated from the virus. What else though, So
Speaker 1: there's the lottery, which I don't I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at you. There I think six people in Ohio
Speaker 1: who got the vaccine. You don't even need to do
Speaker 1: an extra sign up thing. It's just one of the
Speaker 1: people who got vaccinated is going to get their name,
Speaker 1: is gonna get pulled from a hat and they're gonna
Speaker 1: get a million dollars. There's another state that's just paying
Speaker 1: you a hundred dollars. There's a county in just pay
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, here's your here's your c note.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And Lodi uh is giving people like fifty
Speaker 1: dollar or maybe it's just twenty five dollars. But the
Speaker 1: gas company is basically like, we'll give you a twenty
Speaker 1: five dollar credit if you just let us know. Um.
Speaker 1: My favorite though, is, uh the shake Shack Mayor do
Speaker 1: Blasio New York City agreement where they have teamed up
Speaker 1: to make it so that you get free crinkled cut
Speaker 1: fries if you go to one of the participating ones.
Speaker 1: It's not all shake shacks in New York City in Manhattan. Uh,
Speaker 1: and if you buy one of two sandwiches, which I think,
Speaker 1: which I think is just so perfect, like the just
Speaker 1: best version of big D Democrats like kind of means
Speaker 1: testing a thing like being like, so you have to
Speaker 1: prove that you were actually gonna shop at shake Shack
Speaker 1: and by one of these two sandwiches. And if you
Speaker 1: can do that and bring one of these two forms
Speaker 1: of I D and proof that you got vaccinated, then
Speaker 1: we will give you a free small crinkle cut fries. Baby.
Speaker 1: That's that's three dollars by the way they're giving you.
Speaker 1: Like if if you told me that they were doing
Speaker 1: this just completely without any access to the vaccine, It's
Speaker 1: not like I'd be like, yo, everybody go to the
Speaker 1: ship chack like that. That's not a very good deal
Speaker 1: at all, I don't know what this is so fucked
Speaker 1: up though, you know what I mean, Like the idea
Speaker 1: that they're like, I'm gonna give We're gonna give people
Speaker 1: a million dollars to get vaccinated, but then like, what
Speaker 1: about the fucked up healthcare systems They're just gonna toss
Speaker 1: out a million dollars like that? What about the people
Speaker 1: who are being crushed by their medical debt? But you know,
Speaker 1: it's just such a it's so fucking bleak, man, Like
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just so many levels of like
Speaker 1: turning your blinders onto a situation and just merely doing like,
Speaker 1: all right, here's the carrot. Let's ignore the waste land
Speaker 1: we're dangling it in. But if you had a class
Speaker 1: action lawsuit, like for Americans against the Trump administration's bungling
Speaker 1: of the COVID response, I feel like you could get
Speaker 1: a million dollars for a lot of people, like just legally,
Speaker 1: like if if there were was a just judicial system,
Speaker 1: I guess, but I mean, like they you know, those
Speaker 1: people deserve their million dollars, but it's just that many,
Speaker 1: many more people deserve it, and it shouldn't just be
Speaker 1: the lottery version or some stupid person who's they're going
Speaker 1: to be rewarded for being a hold out. I mean,
Speaker 1: now I'm in my like boomer fucking student debt cancelation bad.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I didn't do no promise of a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're just doing it to people who's
Speaker 1: who sign up now. I don't think. Maybe I'm okay,
Speaker 1: like if if you have been then you're eligible in
Speaker 1: me either way. I think just this, it's so it's
Speaker 1: weird that it's like we're using people's greed to motivate
Speaker 1: them to act collectively, like what's better for the great
Speaker 1: common good? It's just it's American. Baby. There was this
Speaker 1: doctor in New York who was just going table to
Speaker 1: table at a brewery asking them if they wanted to
Speaker 1: get a vaccine shot, and if they said yeah, she
Speaker 1: would get them a free beer. I think that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Like did she have the vaccines in her bag? She
Speaker 1: had them on her and she said, yore, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a free beer. You can you can get this
Speaker 1: free beer and let me just let me just poke
Speaker 1: you with this needle. Yeah. He managed, like, Hey, what
Speaker 1: the fund did? I think? Hey, she's not a doctor.
Speaker 1: She's not a fucking doctor. Everyone. She was like the
Speaker 1: health commissioner. I think that day she said that she
Speaker 1: vaccinated over a hundred people and fine, you know, beer
Speaker 1: is fine. She put the numbers up. She put the
Speaker 1: numbers up. You can't argue against that. Yeah, push your
Speaker 1: t you got numbers on the board. She put the
Speaker 1: numbers on the board. That yeah. Yeah. So there's probably
Speaker 1: like seventy five alcoholics out there who have been vaccinated
Speaker 1: twice and they have no idea I don't remember, just
Speaker 1: rolling around behind like putting out their other arm. Three
Speaker 1: band aids on this arm. First one you got you
Speaker 1: gotta we got a weird wig on norm ah, you
Speaker 1: got me? Got me? Can I get the beer that?
Speaker 1: I'll still get the shot. I'll get any shot you want. Man, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's do a shot right now. You want to do
Speaker 1: a shot? Doctor, which one you wanna do? Yeager? You want?
Speaker 1: All right? And real quick. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: a new legend. There was cat lawyer, but we got
Speaker 1: a new legend in the game of fucking up. A
Speaker 1: zoom entrance, a zoom call. So this man showed up
Speaker 1: to a court date and apparently he didn't have the
Speaker 1: like self view set up in a zoom or just
Speaker 1: like didn't know how to use zoom. He looks like
Speaker 1: he's like in his twenties or thirties, Like, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of surprising that he's this bad technology, but we
Speaker 1: probably should just play the audio. He well, okay, but
Speaker 1: that what you're gonna hear is this judge reacting to
Speaker 1: the fact that this man's displayed name is butt fucker
Speaker 1: three thousand. And I will say this ahead of time.
Speaker 1: I don't think this was a mistake. He thought he
Speaker 1: was being fucking funny, and he says really ship yes,
Speaker 1: watch his space, especially when he's like, oh it's it,
Speaker 1: says hold, okay, we're gonna watch the clip and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it on the other side. Good morning, sir.
Speaker 1: What's your name? Judges pissed silence from the twenty people
Speaker 1: in there. Yes, Nathaniel Saxon, sir, your name is not
Speaker 1: butt fucker three thousand, yoho, lauding into my court with
Speaker 1: that is your screen name? His face drops right a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, what kind of a idiot lads into
Speaker 1: court like that? What's your name again? Nathaniel Saxton, sir?
Speaker 1: But I don't believe that I typed anything like that,
Speaker 1: and well that's what it says. See that's where I
Speaker 1: don't believe him. This to me looks like if I
Speaker 1: was a teacher. I'm like, oh, you didn't know. You
Speaker 1: think you're fucking funny. Get the funk out my room.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. And then so he comes back
Speaker 1: later with Nathaniel Saxon and he says that it's he's
Speaker 1: just so bad at describing it and so bad. He
Speaker 1: says that it was like the name of a wireless
Speaker 1: speaker and it was an inside joke, but he just
Speaker 1: looked so flustered, and it's like, I who me, I
Speaker 1: it just he had big, like white guy. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I couldn't do that energy level where
Speaker 1: he was like oh because he It reminded me of like,
Speaker 1: you know that when we used to go out and
Speaker 1: eat and at the bid I would do talking about
Speaker 1: I forgot my walter, Oh no, my fuck, I forgotten
Speaker 1: my wallet. Like it felt like big fake ass I
Speaker 1: fucked up miss like energy. But either way, the reality
Speaker 1: is that's that's the sucking. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: that guy anymore. So I tried you tried. I mean
Speaker 1: to be fair. You you got me to pay for
Speaker 1: lunch like eighteen times before. I I mean, I might
Speaker 1: just be very gullible, I think is what we're learning here. No, Jack,
Speaker 1: I'm really forgetful and you're just a good man. I
Speaker 1: thought the that's right. I thought I thought the pasta
Speaker 1: counter Lady was real, and now I think this dude
Speaker 1: was actually mistaken and pasta counter Lady end up being
Speaker 1: a from like that. You see that article is from
Speaker 1: a production company like some magician runs. Oh really, it's
Speaker 1: like they're although so many of these videos are coming
Speaker 1: out of some like this magician's production company. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so it wasn't a real life thing. It
Speaker 1: was a setup, set up, damn it once again? Fold
Speaker 1: all right, Well, uh, I don't know how to deal
Speaker 1: with that information. Just deny. Yeah, but that's what Maybe
Speaker 1: he's a truly magic Amen. It's been a pleasure having you. Man.
Speaker 1: Where can people uh find you and follow you? Aiman
Speaker 1: dot com is the name you can go to amens
Speaker 1: called A Y M A N N dot com and
Speaker 1: it's sort of like my link tree style website. And
Speaker 1: then Slate dot com. That's uh, that's who pays my check. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it is. And is there a tweet or some
Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift updates, Twitter account tweets update. As most of you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't been very active in the past couple of
Speaker 1: months because I was in prison sad face. I'm back
Speaker 1: now though. More Taylor Swift updates coming soon and it's
Speaker 1: and Ali underscore a Zo says, oh my god, why
Speaker 1: and then Taylor Swift Updates replies dot dot dot I
Speaker 1: refused to join the I d f L m AO
Speaker 1: back to getting these Taylor Swift update fill damn miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray and also my other podcast for te Fiance.
Speaker 1: Check us out on twi dot tv Slash four to
Speaker 1: zero de Fiance. Uh, you know, to get in on that.
Speaker 1: Let's see a few tweets I like this one is
Speaker 1: from man keep e Quinn Quinn Welsh Wilson tweeted, we
Speaker 1: are closed. Nobody wants to work anymore. All they want
Speaker 1: to do is repeated gunshots and cash registering. West Shout
Speaker 1: out to m I A, all they want to do
Speaker 1: and get some money, Okay, Uh, just like seeing it
Speaker 1: in text another tweet I like, also just along that
Speaker 1: lines of that, nobody wants to work anymore at brad
Speaker 1: bat tweeted nobody wants to work anymore has big time
Speaker 1: girls don't want to date nice guys energy, And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got some there. And and one more fox sake
Speaker 1: at Beagora. B Jesus tweeted, interviewer, how do you explain
Speaker 1: the four year gap in your CV? Me? Oh, that's
Speaker 1: when I went to Yale. That's very impressive. You're hired. Thanks,
Speaker 1: I really needed this job. Yeah, that's pretty good. But uh,
Speaker 1: let's see some tweets I've been enjoying. Stephan McCann tweeted, wait, no,
Speaker 1: why are plane tickets so expensive? You're going that way anyway?
Speaker 1: Just give me a ride, uh. A. Joscelyn Silver tweeted
Speaker 1: at dinner with my mom's friend who just informed me
Speaker 1: that she used to buy quay ludes and do Heroin
Speaker 1: with Lisa Frank, which I think is just a true
Speaker 1: story and fucking cool. Uh. And then Paul McCallion at
Speaker 1: Orange Pulp tweeted people who say frozen bananas tastes like
Speaker 1: ice cream? Do you think I'm a fucking idiot? I
Speaker 1: hate frozen bananas, So that's just really resonated with me. Uh.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
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Speaker 1: post our episodes on Our foot notes were nick off
Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you should
Speaker 1: go check out. Miles, What song are we recommending today?
Speaker 1: This is a track by Bank Beats. Who is this?
Speaker 1: He's a he's a musician who like does full on
Speaker 1: recreations of like electronic tracks, but he plays all the
Speaker 1: instruments and like affects them so they sound like you know,
Speaker 1: a delloa track or a Flying Lotus track, but he's
Speaker 1: actually playing everything. Um and this is a track where
Speaker 1: he's doing a track by Flying Lotus called Getting There.
Speaker 1: But if this is the bink Beats cover, you can
Speaker 1: get this on Spotify, but I would I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do in the foot notes. Got the YouTube video
Speaker 1: because you will see this man play everything from like
Speaker 1: the bells to like the electric piano and the drums,
Speaker 1: and he's bringing even the vocals and he's recreating this
Speaker 1: track and it's just dope. If you're a musician, you're
Speaker 1: gonna feel so jealous because he's so literate on so
Speaker 1: many instruments. But it's still dope to watch the bells alright.
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