Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, Episode five
Speaker 1: of the Daily Like Guy production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It is Friday, April one. My
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien, a k never working too hard.
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Speaker 1: Joel and my Stupid Brain. And I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Grass.
Speaker 1: Just taking it back a little. Let just get a
Speaker 1: little emotional really quick, because I know, Jackie, you thought
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Speaker 1: he always emails us and he's like, guys, I don't
Speaker 1: get what you guys are talking about ever, and we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it's not for you. Yeah, he's super drunk,
Speaker 1: but one of my favorite comedians. His uh, his in
Speaker 1: between song uh drunken ramblings got him. I think he
Speaker 1: he came to my college when I was still there
Speaker 1: and it was like an infamous disaster where he was
Speaker 1: like so drunk and just like I spent the whole
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Speaker 1: Billy Joel Okay, Billy, Billy, Billy fucking Billy, to Rosie
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Speaker 1: All right, Miles, we are thrilled. We are fortunate to
Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the
Speaker 1: talented Tory Williams Douglass. Oh my god, thank you you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for coming back, you know, I'm so flattered. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it takes one apparent's window. We said toward. It's
Speaker 1: a regular it's a regular thing now. And you even
Speaker 1: you're traveling and you still found time. You're where are
Speaker 1: you right now? I'm in I'm in Minneapolis right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By coincidence or because of the verdict, Um, I was coming.
Speaker 1: I was planning on coming here. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: the verdict would I thought that the verdict would be.
Speaker 1: I thought that they were going to deliberate for the
Speaker 1: long ast time, and they currently didn't. So we all
Speaker 1: saw that video, okay, but like the New York Times
Speaker 1: said that one of the women on the like one
Speaker 1: of the jurors is like some all lives matter, bullshit whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was just I was like, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like this is necessarily going to go well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: even before that, I was like, this is a trial
Speaker 1: involving a white officer killing a black man. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is not going to go well. But I think
Speaker 1: the weird form of relief that everyone felt was very odd.
Speaker 1: What was it? How was it like being there when
Speaker 1: that happened? I mean, I like people were tense at first,
Speaker 1: I think, and then everybody was like, it took a
Speaker 1: minutes of process, right, it took. It took everybody in
Speaker 1: a minute, like we all it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like that it actually actually happened. We could actually right.
Speaker 1: And then of course everybody was like, well, this is
Speaker 1: not proof that the system works and it's not everything
Speaker 1: sucks everything. So we're good here energy Uh yeah, we won.
Speaker 1: We won one round about we want God, were there
Speaker 1: people who knew before other people, because like I feel
Speaker 1: like l l A shut down, Like it seems like
Speaker 1: la knew a verdict was coming the l A City.
Speaker 1: I don't know police, I I mean, well they knew
Speaker 1: the day before, right that they would begin deliberate. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I don't know if that's like on police,
Speaker 1: like they all have like their own like social media.
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, y'all, you guys have an eye on
Speaker 1: your angry. We already know how it's gonna go, you know,
Speaker 1: the governor or, like the state legislature here in Minnesota
Speaker 1: satisfied like nine million dollars or something for the National
Speaker 1: Guard because so I don't think that they knew how
Speaker 1: it was going to go at all, right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, they didn't know how it was going to go.
Speaker 1: I think they were, And it's more just that the
Speaker 1: preemptive They're like, oh, y'all got set up there for
Speaker 1: that real quick when you found out there was going
Speaker 1: to be a verdict being read right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, what the funk? I think one of the
Speaker 1: robots from Pacific RIM came out from the fucking Santa
Speaker 1: Monica appear to like the people of the city just
Speaker 1: in case. I'm like, where did y'all get that? They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: our new budgetsific, No, no new budgets, no police name budgets. No,
Speaker 1: you guys don't do your jobs already. Okay, here's an idea.
Speaker 1: Here's an idea. Rather than police a gigantic fucking robot
Speaker 1: that could destroy an entire city, is the police just
Speaker 1: one right, but randomly steps on people? So there's that
Speaker 1: like lottery thing where people just are randomly sacrificed for
Speaker 1: the good of the cape. But then there's only one
Speaker 1: no logic. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is like very Godzilla. E to me, what's like
Speaker 1: mac Godzilla whatever. Yeah, that's how I feel about that.
Speaker 1: I'm about a lot of destruction. So the way through,
Speaker 1: uh Congress Godzilla, So I am an expert on what
Speaker 1: you speak of and the two fits of the way,
Speaker 1: two fists of the way almost there. Almost to my kids,
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to leave, like you have
Speaker 1: to go right now. Sending them out of the room.
Speaker 1: Was like, I need to watch this. Well. I started
Speaker 1: watching MANC and I couldn't get through. I watched movies
Speaker 1: mainly while I'm running on the treadmill, and like, you
Speaker 1: know what would get me ready for a good run? MANK, MANK,
Speaker 1: you'd really pumped me up. It was not good. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's it's that uh, like you know, celebration of white
Speaker 1: privilege type attitude where this dude's just like I'm drunk
Speaker 1: all the time. I've gotten like all these amazing jobs
Speaker 1: that should have gone to people who aren't white men.
Speaker 1: Necessarily or who have earned something or have ideas, and
Speaker 1: I just stay drunk all the time and do nothing.
Speaker 1: Um ha ha, but I'm but I say clever stuff.
Speaker 1: Um I was. I was out on mank pretty quickly
Speaker 1: converse Godzilla though, pretty pretty cool, pretty cool, man. I
Speaker 1: gotta still watch it, Yeah, I want to watch it.
Speaker 1: I watched it the way it's intended to be watched
Speaker 1: on a phone while the Sixers game was going on
Speaker 1: in the background. Yeah, so like watching maybe a third
Speaker 1: of the frames of the quarter of the movie that
Speaker 1: I've actually watched. So yeah, how does your brain still operate?
Speaker 1: Like splitting the attention in so many different directions, because
Speaker 1: like I get too stressed out just watching the Sixers play,
Speaker 1: especially without yeah, just watching right right watching people get stomped. Anyways,
Speaker 1: what a cast by the way, Congress, Godzilla, that's where
Speaker 1: where the acting talent is going, is uh yeah, to
Speaker 1: just be like I think the center of the earth
Speaker 1: is hollow. That's a that's a big don't need more
Speaker 1: they don't need more motivation, inspiration. This is number This
Speaker 1: is the best propaganda hollow Arthur's ahead since ever ever,
Speaker 1: Like mainstream, Like there was a president who was trying
Speaker 1: to fund a literal journey to the center of the earth.
Speaker 1: But that was I think, I think Reagan. No, it
Speaker 1: was Actually it's like turn of the century, like early
Speaker 1: twentieth century. We gotta get to the bottom. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you have you been down there? You don't know? Have
Speaker 1: you seen? Have you thought the old people with your parents?
Speaker 1: Because my uncle has and he doesn't lie. There's also
Speaker 1: a sun down there, apparently. Yeah, it has its own,
Speaker 1: it has its own I love that. I love the
Speaker 1: science of whatever that is. There's also a sun down there?
Speaker 1: Is there? All right, Tory, We're going to get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're going to talk about the brave
Speaker 1: North Dakota governor who vetoed his state's anti trans bill
Speaker 1: um and why he decided to find courage all of
Speaker 1: a sudden. We'll talk about it wasn't the threat of lawsuits.
Speaker 1: We'll just wasn't that. Yeah, it's just his who he is,
Speaker 1: his internal sense of justice. He's a Republican, come on,
Speaker 1: ck scrash that scrash. But also I mean, who knows,
Speaker 1: and in this day and age, who knows. Really, bucks
Speaker 1: are all on the kind of the same They're just
Speaker 1: on different parts of the same fund up page. Uh.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about a legend from Italy. Let's just leave
Speaker 1: it at that, Italian legends, Yeah, achieved greatness. And what
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how they want about that. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about the IOC UH, not the group of stand up
Speaker 1: individuals that we always thought literally they're banning kneeling and
Speaker 1: other protests at the Kyo Games. We will talk about
Speaker 1: just kind of ongoing. I wanna look at alternatives to
Speaker 1: the current version of policing. I want to look at
Speaker 1: this UH program in Eugene and take another look at
Speaker 1: the Camden police abolition because that story is a little
Speaker 1: bit more complicated than people think, but kind of still
Speaker 1: makes the same point that we should abolish and replace
Speaker 1: the police. But before we get to any of that tory,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: So my entire search history today has been trying to
Speaker 1: figure out my technology. I don't know why, but like
Speaker 1: none of my ship works, like apparently like laptop, headphones, Mike,
Speaker 1: it's just all in the front. So today I'm just
Speaker 1: on the technology struggle bus and I believe I will
Speaker 1: probably remain here for the duration of my trip. Well
Speaker 1: we sorted it though, so we're okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a TTS like magic
Speaker 1: that helps it happen. That's really what pulled it was
Speaker 1: all of us collectively being silent, panicking like I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they started happened. I don't know, like maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's me in a nutshell. Do you have do
Speaker 1: you have a technology ghost like that follows you around?
Speaker 1: Do you have tech tech issues? We have we have
Speaker 1: a I'm not going to say who, but what. One
Speaker 1: of the hosts of one of the shows on our
Speaker 1: Out of our Studio like literally believes they have a
Speaker 1: technology ghost, and then our experience with them has suggested
Speaker 1: it's probably not a technology ghost as much as them
Speaker 1: being bad at technology. But um, isn't that kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing though, You're just wanted by the fact
Speaker 1: that you don't know what the hell you are doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've had that before, where like I am immediately
Speaker 1: like on guard and every time something beat something goes
Speaker 1: wrong with a piece of technology. I'm like, this fucking
Speaker 1: thing again, you know this ghost? So damn ghost? How
Speaker 1: are we such boomers already? You guys, Like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: Well other than that, right right, Well, it's because I
Speaker 1: was born in four was Oh my god, my dad
Speaker 1: worked for Apple for like over a decade, and so
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm used to having like stand by tech assistance,
Speaker 1: like a phone call. Oh wow, you have the reverse
Speaker 1: of everybody else where. You call your parents for tech support.
Speaker 1: The tech Casper, the friendly ghost Casper, the friendly ghost
Speaker 1: O my dad? Uh, Tori, what is something you think
Speaker 1: is berated? Something that I think is overrated? Right now? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really starggling with this because I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm in such a bad dark spot with all of
Speaker 1: the policing. So I'm gonna say policing, no, that's overrated.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so I'm sure you talked about this,
Speaker 1: but like the Capital police requested like a a jillion
Speaker 1: more dollars because their tech, hey again, is not up
Speaker 1: to part and that's the reason why the insurrection happened,
Speaker 1: and all of their like miney bullshit excuses and I'm
Speaker 1: just not here for any of that, and like who
Speaker 1: else gets to say I suck at my job objectively?
Speaker 1: Like please look at my data. This is the results
Speaker 1: that I'm giving you, and uh, hundred million more dollars,
Speaker 1: but you know what to fix this hundred million more money? Well,
Speaker 1: the thing was, I don't know if you saw. I
Speaker 1: know that that the auditor or that audit of what
Speaker 1: happened said, we haven't even been trained on equipment we
Speaker 1: bought three years ago. The manufacturers told us we needed
Speaker 1: training on and that's why we became white supremacist that
Speaker 1: sympathized with the insurrection on January six and then let
Speaker 1: everybody in your honor, okay, like it's truly so ship
Speaker 1: where you're like, yo, you you couldn't have fucked that
Speaker 1: up more? You know, you need more money, more money.
Speaker 1: We're not supposed to take selfies with the people who
Speaker 1: are armed and trying to overthrow you know, my camp.
Speaker 1: My phone was broken, so I had I did not
Speaker 1: have that specific training. Um right, You know what I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about was, you know, as the police
Speaker 1: are like, oh, who's gonna respond to like these armed
Speaker 1: conflicts are like armed criminals who are intent on pulling
Speaker 1: off a crime. I was thinking of the North Hollywood
Speaker 1: shoot out, and you know, that is the basis for
Speaker 1: heat and just like kind of reading back over news
Speaker 1: stories from the time, and it's what, like, I think
Speaker 1: I have underestimated the media's role in like this whole
Speaker 1: police and police military industrial state, because that shootout was
Speaker 1: like fun for the local news. That was big, huge ratings,
Speaker 1: and the stories covering it at the time are go
Speaker 1: from you know, there were two thousand rounds fired in
Speaker 1: a public place, eight civilians were harmed, and the responses, well,
Speaker 1: the police just need bigger guns. Like, you know, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. My display name on Twitter Hideo
Speaker 1: NoHo okay, because I'm from fucking North Hollywood. I was.
Speaker 1: I was in school the fucking bank they robbed up
Speaker 1: the street from my school and we had to fucking
Speaker 1: lay down because you could hear all the gunfire from
Speaker 1: the shootout. And the story was the cops don't have
Speaker 1: enough assault rifles, so they had to go to B
Speaker 1: B and B guns and Van Eyes and all their
Speaker 1: assault rifles so they could fight fire with fire. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like the way the news was treating it
Speaker 1: was like it was almost that point where car chases
Speaker 1: were big. Baby, we love a car chase, you know,
Speaker 1: we love more seeing somebody a body armor squeezing off
Speaker 1: a fucking chopper at a bunch of cops and then
Speaker 1: showing like when the student you I remember on the news,
Speaker 1: we had to shift on like the rolling cart TV
Speaker 1: because we're like, is this shootout gonna get near our school?
Speaker 1: And we saw the guy get killed when he was
Speaker 1: walking down the street from the helicopter. We're like, yo, teachers,
Speaker 1: like okay, we gotta turn this off. Like you just
Speaker 1: saw that dude get domed from a helicopter. Maybe this
Speaker 1: isn't good TV, but yeah, that's It's just one of
Speaker 1: those things too. It's like what the what was that for?
Speaker 1: It was like it's like suddenly everyone became yeah right,
Speaker 1: everyone became John McClane and ship and they're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: you're not getting away with a sixty will having much
Speaker 1: money they had with money, like why why WiFi are
Speaker 1: the first shot at them? Why? Right, it's just money?
Speaker 1: You can just I mean that, Yeah, I think, either
Speaker 1: on this show or the Crack podcast. So we talked
Speaker 1: about like the sort of see change that people are
Speaker 1: trying to get to happen around car chases like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: and just like just let them go, just fucking let
Speaker 1: them go, like you'll, you'll, you'll figure it out a
Speaker 1: later time. And it all comes back to that fucking
Speaker 1: broken windows policing where it's like if they if we
Speaker 1: don't catch them now, and and it's just complete junk side,
Speaker 1: it's complete bullshit, And yeah, it has no basis in
Speaker 1: reality because all the data that we have shows that
Speaker 1: over policing for small crimes leads to an uptick in
Speaker 1: bigger crimes, right because people are desperate and they're trying
Speaker 1: to escape whatever situation there and that they don't have
Speaker 1: resources for. Yeah, it doesn't work. It's it actually makes
Speaker 1: us less safe. But you know whatever, the cops are
Speaker 1: the good guys. I guess, yeah, I mean that's I
Speaker 1: think the only thing we can just keep hammering away
Speaker 1: on for people who don't understand is like we have
Speaker 1: to redefine what crime is or people need to begin
Speaker 1: to rethink what crime is rather than like there's nasty
Speaker 1: motherfucker's out there that are trying to get you and
Speaker 1: we need the boys in blue, rather than like we
Speaker 1: have failed and entire segments of the population. And it's
Speaker 1: incredible because crime has been going down, right, like crimes
Speaker 1: from going down since since the nineties early nineties, and
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with policing, Like crime would
Speaker 1: have gone down regardless. So I think that, like, but
Speaker 1: they keep advocating for like this whole we need this
Speaker 1: infusion of cash because we need to put all of
Speaker 1: these people in prison for you know, however long. And
Speaker 1: it's but there's this nerd, I don't know, the funk
Speaker 1: snoozearing of Black Lives Matter is going to come to
Speaker 1: your house and knock down your door and shoot you
Speaker 1: in your bed because we care about like random or Antifa,
Speaker 1: whoever it is, because that's what we do to civil
Speaker 1: rights leaders exactly. That's the internalized white supremacy and knowing
Speaker 1: the evil of it, knowing that there's an evil there
Speaker 1: and like not being able to reconcile that and knowing, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we do. So if we accuse them
Speaker 1: of doing that, then it'll I think that they can't
Speaker 1: see us as anything but the inverse of themselves. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: That's why everything to do with any kind of liberation
Speaker 1: of black people or any press group is about this
Speaker 1: inversion of power that they black supremacy. Right. If they're
Speaker 1: not on top, then we're on top. There are two
Speaker 1: movies that are nominated for Oscars that talk about the
Speaker 1: assassination Fred Hampton and sure enough the one by Aaron Sorkin.
Speaker 1: Like they say it's an assassination, but they also say
Speaker 1: that he was like shot in the shoulder and therefore
Speaker 1: like couldn't have shot back at the police. He was
Speaker 1: knocked out by a drug cocktail like that. It's just
Speaker 1: wild that that isn't like front front and center, Like
Speaker 1: they drugged him and he was passed out in his
Speaker 1: bed when they shot him in the back of the head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Sorkin, Sorkin the boot. Yeah, uh, what is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Tory wearing your mask over your
Speaker 1: goddamn nose. Yeah, Like it's been a year and people
Speaker 1: still are like masks, No, we don't know how they work.
Speaker 1: How does air work? How does breathing work? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that little bit of rebellion, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: when you got the total connected. It doesn't all just
Speaker 1: connect right here. Yeah, yeah, this here. But it's always
Speaker 1: I love seeing the old old timer, old dudes who
Speaker 1: it's the that's the hottest trend, and older guy fashion
Speaker 1: is the I'm gonna let mine, I'm gonna fucking sag
Speaker 1: my mask like the kids sag their paints. It's like,
Speaker 1: come off the funk on really, And it always is
Speaker 1: these older men who I see doing it like in
Speaker 1: this very much like like I get I'm only doing
Speaker 1: it because you think so, but I'm showing you I'm
Speaker 1: putting myself at risk visibly because I don't because I'm
Speaker 1: a man or whatever the funk that means, can't do it,
Speaker 1: can't do it. I just I don't want masks to
Speaker 1: go away personally, So I would like to continue wearing
Speaker 1: masks during flu season when that's that's a that's a fine,
Speaker 1: fine idea, especially as we're seeing variants pop up all
Speaker 1: over the place and completely don't have an absolute handle
Speaker 1: on it. And I think what's so weird is there's
Speaker 1: like a group of people who are just trying to
Speaker 1: like triangulate like what the final answer is on masks.
Speaker 1: Immediately as possible, we gotta get rid of I mean,
Speaker 1: can we get rid of him? Now? I mean we
Speaker 1: got vaccines? I mean, like does he studies that says
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, I get that, but as a
Speaker 1: as just a common practice, it stands to benefit us
Speaker 1: more than anything. And if you if you feel like
Speaker 1: your face is hot, than just then go to your
Speaker 1: places where you have your mask off. Your public who
Speaker 1: gives outside, go outside. If it's really like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't get it, but I think that, Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big masks person. Now, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I let people for like thirty six years of my life,
Speaker 1: I let other people breathe on me. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: is a violation of my constitutional rights. So I need
Speaker 1: everybody to be masked, right See. That's what we need
Speaker 1: to do is hit the anti maskers with our own
Speaker 1: set of constitutional rights, be like, actually, no, under the Constitution.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh shit. Normally I'm just dealing with
Speaker 1: some they've never read it, so they don't know. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: you know the Constitution. Say it out loud for memory,
Speaker 1: right now, that's what I thought. And then you just
Speaker 1: have an earwig on and someone can just like read
Speaker 1: you the Constitution so you can be like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I absolutely can recite the Constitution. Um, here we go.
Speaker 1: We the people of the United States in order for
Speaker 1: a more perfect unit. Stab was justice ensued, domestic tranquility,
Speaker 1: provide for more common defense, promote the general, and secure
Speaker 1: the blessings of liberties ourselves in our prosperior Look, I
Speaker 1: can keep going that way. I can I can keep
Speaker 1: I can do this forever, you guys, forever. I know
Speaker 1: the Constitution. I know the Constitution. You merely playing it.
Speaker 1: I really wanted comedians. I want to see that bit
Speaker 1: is lying harder back to an anti mask or idiot
Speaker 1: about the Constitution, and just to just to see where
Speaker 1: that goes, because honestly, if it's if it's down to confidence,
Speaker 1: I think a solid, witty person could just fucking destroy
Speaker 1: someone like that very quickly, and they're just gonna walk
Speaker 1: away in the end. They're not gonna say, they're not
Speaker 1: going to change their minds. So I just want to say,
Speaker 1: that's an assignment for the i Kea, the guy who
Speaker 1: does the responses, the IKEA worker responses to common complaints.
Speaker 1: Just have it that he can do video. So it's
Speaker 1: the it's the music. It's that drama that track on ticktok.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back and we're back, and let's check in with
Speaker 1: those anti trans bills that are just sheer violence that
Speaker 1: are being passed in a lot of states around the country.
Speaker 1: So this is some nice news for once in in
Speaker 1: that fight. North Dakota Governor Doug Bergham H has vetoed
Speaker 1: the anti trans sports bill that solved zero problems in
Speaker 1: youth sports. And I mean, his reasoning seems I don't know,
Speaker 1: like sound like did they just suddenly catch logic? Are
Speaker 1: they not wearing their mathetes? It? And says North Dakota
Speaker 1: this is a quote from the government quote. North Dakota
Speaker 1: has fairness and girls and boys sports in large part
Speaker 1: because of the caring and thoughtful leadership of the North
Speaker 1: Dakota High School Activities Association Board and its members. We
Speaker 1: have every confidence they will continue to ensure a level
Speaker 1: of a level playing field for more for the more
Speaker 1: than twenty seven thousand students who participate in high school sports.
Speaker 1: It was look, they knew they're about to get hit.
Speaker 1: The state was gonna get hit with so many lawsuits.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It's just because it's such a clear discriminatory bill,
Speaker 1: They're like, fun, I don't have the energy for this,
Speaker 1: they're like, fuck it. And plus they already have there's
Speaker 1: current regulations right now that would allow for transgender youth
Speaker 1: to participate if they have undergone hormone treatments. But that
Speaker 1: is that's completely misses the mark about how little or
Speaker 1: how few trans youth or even have the means or
Speaker 1: access to that kind of treatment. So it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: you're already putting up a block in front of it,
Speaker 1: rather than just saying, yo, the kids are kids. I
Speaker 1: don't fucking play. What's this fucking what you saw? What
Speaker 1: you saw, ladybugs, and your your mind's all fucked up. Legit,
Speaker 1: what's happen? Because Jonathan brandis played on Rodney Dangerfield's soccer
Speaker 1: team in the early nineties, and now you think that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. You saw Jowana Man or some other
Speaker 1: dumb fucking thing and you think that's real life on
Speaker 1: the funk on. So Yeah, there are other bills too,
Speaker 1: were talking about. In Texas, there was another one that
Speaker 1: was big, big, discriminatory, you know, slow motion genocide energy
Speaker 1: from that bill to redefine child abuse. Uh. Then Florida
Speaker 1: as well, those look like they have a much steeper
Speaker 1: hill to climb. But we we said even from the
Speaker 1: beginning that it's I see with Texas, that bill was
Speaker 1: marched out to basically be like so fucked up that
Speaker 1: immediately be like, okay, so we'll shift to a more
Speaker 1: you know, quote reasonable bill too, then you know, pass
Speaker 1: some more discriminatory ship. But I mean, even here they're
Speaker 1: taking the stands on the sports bill and not the
Speaker 1: I I don't know if they have plans to introduce
Speaker 1: the one that is basically genocidal that restricts like access
Speaker 1: to healthcare, but it seems like, you know, they're choosing,
Speaker 1: picking and choosing their battle and being shrewd the way
Speaker 1: they always are. I mean, it's just like you're you're
Speaker 1: at a restaurant and then you're like, what's the special.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we have um, human diarrhea in a bowl.
Speaker 1: Would you like that? And you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the funk o? Wait? What kind of places? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was joking. I was joking we have very stale
Speaker 1: French fries and it seems like such a good trade off,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, okay, because the first thing the
Speaker 1: offered just was dire rhea. So I'll take this other
Speaker 1: thing that is also subpar, not fresh, not worthy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just a stupid overton window
Speaker 1: nonsense they're trying to. I think that what's really interesting
Speaker 1: about this because in the nineties, the big thing was
Speaker 1: was be a marriage right and and and gay anything.
Speaker 1: And that was what they chose to kind of weaponize,
Speaker 1: right like alongside abortion. That was kind of like their
Speaker 1: wedge issue was we have to you know, So they
Speaker 1: put they put all of this money into all these
Speaker 1: campaigns in different states all across the country of like
Speaker 1: you have, every state is going to change their constitution
Speaker 1: to say that marriages between one man and one woman
Speaker 1: and that's it. And it was like this kind of
Speaker 1: panic thing. And then all of a sudden, of course,
Speaker 1: like a couple of states you taught did it. I
Speaker 1: don't know who all did it. I'm not sure Oregon
Speaker 1: didn't pass it, but other people wanted it to pass here.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, that was like their thing. They're putting
Speaker 1: all of this money in, and then like the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court goes, okay, hey, well no, never mind, you can
Speaker 1: they gay people can get married. I'm sorry you have
Speaker 1: a sad about that, but so once they lost that,
Speaker 1: they were like, we have to weaponize something else. Who's
Speaker 1: the most marginal group of people, marginalized group of people
Speaker 1: we can go after? And obviously it's trans children because
Speaker 1: children have no rights like sis children have zero rights
Speaker 1: in this country already, right, and so that's like, this
Speaker 1: is like their thing. And if at some point we
Speaker 1: get legislation like federal law protecting trans children, they're just
Speaker 1: they're gonna find some They're going to try to find
Speaker 1: something else. Even weirder, this is that this is their
Speaker 1: m O, right, and they're like they're going to go
Speaker 1: more niche or not more niche, but rather just like
Speaker 1: because they're trying to find these sort of like last
Speaker 1: stops of like culture exactly black people. And then people
Speaker 1: like nah, most people are not thinking like that anymore. Fine,
Speaker 1: gay people, what if they got married and you're like what, nah,
Speaker 1: I know this is this is not real and that's like, okay,
Speaker 1: trans people. And now we're at a point where more
Speaker 1: more than I think most people are have no a
Speaker 1: trans person or are aware of what a trans person is,
Speaker 1: that we people are all human beings. And now that
Speaker 1: that's where in ways can be like um, fucking uh
Speaker 1: the older Harry Potter fans. That's fucking weird, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Like what fun? What do y'all left with? Now? It's
Speaker 1: like the culture wars. They just have to have something
Speaker 1: so that they can get all of the other stuff,
Speaker 1: all the other legislation that they want through, right, So
Speaker 1: they have to have like the big thing that they're
Speaker 1: using to distract everybody. And then meanwhile they're trying to
Speaker 1: also pass legislation that says that like anybody can buy
Speaker 1: a gun even if they've been whatever. But that's literally unspeakable.
Speaker 1: You can't justify it in words, so you get to
Speaker 1: just they distract from that, so they don't have to
Speaker 1: have that conversation, right, And it's just this idea of
Speaker 1: like the traditional family, which is propaganda, like that term
Speaker 1: is political property. The traditional family fucked you up mentally,
Speaker 1: like the tradition of emotionally. So there it's and there's
Speaker 1: like we have to we have to maintain this, like
Speaker 1: this is a line. We have to hold the line
Speaker 1: because once America American nous in their minds, like white evangelicals,
Speaker 1: especially American nous and whiteness, like they kind of overlap,
Speaker 1: like you can be American and not white, but American
Speaker 1: nous like Tucker Carlson has this whole thing, like his
Speaker 1: whole replacement theory thing that he's doing right now. But
Speaker 1: it's like if the majority of Americans were non white people,
Speaker 1: at least people on the right seem to think that
Speaker 1: it would not be America anymore, right, even if we
Speaker 1: kept the constitution, even if we kept all the same laws,
Speaker 1: Like they feel like whiteness is fundamental to American nous
Speaker 1: and specifically white people being in charge. Right, I think
Speaker 1: that they would be okay with with it if it's
Speaker 1: like we get to run everything and you just get
Speaker 1: to be our like little shower croppers again, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're very they're very scared. And again it's
Speaker 1: because they think that we want to treat them the
Speaker 1: way that they want to treat us. Yeah, it's just like, no,
Speaker 1: we don't have the again, we don't have the energy
Speaker 1: for that, and we don't care. We literally do not care,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, really no, Blue, it's not the parenting and
Speaker 1: being like judgmental of the parents of trans youth who
Speaker 1: are trying to help their kids also reminds me like
Speaker 1: you brought up the evangelical aspect of it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure like not all evangelicals, but it just keeps
Speaker 1: reminding me of this story I've told on here before
Speaker 1: about this mom who, like we had a kid who
Speaker 1: we played bestball with who died of a brain angerism,
Speaker 1: and I was like in the car with her and
Speaker 1: another like evangelical mom where they were talking about how
Speaker 1: they heard he wasn't saved and so like everybody's worried
Speaker 1: that he's in hell like after and it's just like
Speaker 1: just that like judgment, Like it's just so contrary to
Speaker 1: humanity just being it is, like they're so bad at empathy.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it is because yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they think that all the three of us
Speaker 1: are going to go to hell because we don't, you know,
Speaker 1: we haven't convested Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior
Speaker 1: and so but yeah, if you believe that someone's gonna
Speaker 1: be tortured for all of eternity, like there's you can't
Speaker 1: care about them. You can't sincerely care about someone's life
Speaker 1: and believe you deserve to be punished forever. M All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about some good news. Somebody who I think
Speaker 1: should be inducted into the Fun Capitalism Hall of Fame. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is an Italian person who skipped work for fifteen
Speaker 1: years straight. Still secure the bag, we love to see it.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of story that if I read
Speaker 1: it as sixteen, I would have been telling everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta move, We're going to Italy. Dog. This one
Speaker 1: dude didn't go to work for fifteen years, bro, and
Speaker 1: then we could just do whatever we want, like drink wine,
Speaker 1: eat meats and cheeses and ship. So this sixty seven
Speaker 1: year old man was cut skipping work every fucking day
Speaker 1: but again for fifteen years for and collected his salary
Speaker 1: five hundred thirty eight thousand euros worth, that six hundred
Speaker 1: forty six thousand dollars that he collected over the years
Speaker 1: not going to work. And this is just yeah, he
Speaker 1: worked at Apparently he was employed at a hospital and
Speaker 1: never showed up. So now he's facing charges of abusive
Speaker 1: office forgery, aggravated extortion. And there are also six managers
Speaker 1: that are also being investigated because they're like, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure these managers had to have enabled this ship because
Speaker 1: like they're reporting to these managers. But I guess the
Speaker 1: other thing is this whole thing absentee is um is
Speaker 1: apparently a huge problem in Italy, like in the public sector,
Speaker 1: like people got these municipal jobs and it's a lot
Speaker 1: of like, Yo, it's very much like if you ever
Speaker 1: went to college and you never went to lectures for
Speaker 1: your courses and you said, hey, sign me and sign
Speaker 1: me in, sign me in. So I'm there. That's that's
Speaker 1: what people are doing with their jobs. Like they're giving
Speaker 1: their wives they're like clock in cards and they're just
Speaker 1: like swiping them like at the front of the building
Speaker 1: to act like they went in. Then they go do
Speaker 1: their shopping and ship. It's uh, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I'd sunk off from work all the time
Speaker 1: too if I live in Italy. I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: like I got shipped to eat like I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what what you want me to do?
Speaker 1: Why do you want me to show up here? So
Speaker 1: you know I'm okay with Yeah, there there wasn't Apparently
Speaker 1: there was. The guy did threaten someone that tried to
Speaker 1: report him, so it's not the cleanest story again, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what that hospital works. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: but I'm also curious about what that what that confrontation
Speaker 1: was like, keep your mouth shut. I ain't coming into
Speaker 1: work ugly. I'll slash your tires, you know. Just leave
Speaker 1: me alone. I'm old as funk. I want to smoke
Speaker 1: these cigarettes and drink approll four or five cigarettes? Who
Speaker 1: is that? Nick susages to three four cigarettes? Cigarettes? All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the IOC speaking of uh international stories.
Speaker 1: We're we're going international today and specifically talking about there,
Speaker 1: you know, paying attention. Uh. They they've seen the movement
Speaker 1: towards uh, you know, fighting for justice, and they they
Speaker 1: are saying, hell no, fuck all of that. Mm hmm yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean officially, I just want to make that clear
Speaker 1: to everyone. They say athletes will not be allowed to
Speaker 1: take a knee or protest against human rights abuses on
Speaker 1: the podium of Tokyo or Beijing two after two thirds
Speaker 1: of competitors pulled by the IOC said they supported a
Speaker 1: band on remaining in place. Now, I'm like, first of all,
Speaker 1: why are you using a survey of athletes from around
Speaker 1: the world to let you determine how they should move forward?
Speaker 1: Because I can't imagine the athletes from places like China
Speaker 1: or Turkey. We're taking the box that said, you goddamn right,
Speaker 1: I think we need to give about our human rights
Speaker 1: violating leaders here. That's not the tone. That's not the
Speaker 1: tone of the earth, unfortunately, which is why we have
Speaker 1: these movements brewing where people are getting in touch with
Speaker 1: their own oppression and wanting to liberate themselves. So this
Speaker 1: whole thing, I'm like, this is so stupid to use
Speaker 1: that as like the measure of what is acceptable, because
Speaker 1: they have to know too that, like people can't be
Speaker 1: honest on those surveys, of course, like most people, like
Speaker 1: you have you represent your country, you are representative of
Speaker 1: your country. You can't you can't just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: my opinion is because they're gonna see it, right, like
Speaker 1: your team members are going to see it, like whoever
Speaker 1: your coaches and yeah, you gotta I think that's such
Speaker 1: a good point. You have to tow the line politically.
Speaker 1: And they know this. So I don't know why they
Speaker 1: Why did they ask? I mean, I think's because I
Speaker 1: have a feeling. I think it's just it's just it's
Speaker 1: just clear right that they they just want people like
Speaker 1: for the for the amount of money this thing makes
Speaker 1: and for the amount of attention that is paid. They
Speaker 1: don't want the optics that the world is in a
Speaker 1: bad place actually for for most people. So they want
Speaker 1: to sanitize it as much as possible because they don't
Speaker 1: want to They want to fucking stifle this like the
Speaker 1: actual tone of what is happening on the planet at
Speaker 1: the moment, which is many people would want to bring attention,
Speaker 1: whether that's what the US is doing in Yemen, or
Speaker 1: what the Chinese are doing two weakers or anything. There's
Speaker 1: there's an infinite number of international conflicts to want to
Speaker 1: bring attention to. But you know it's the This is
Speaker 1: just I get. I mean, I get from a very
Speaker 1: cynical place why the IOC is just like I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna have people protesting and Beijing Olympics are basically
Speaker 1: the world's fair for like showing off the latest and
Speaker 1: greatest technology. In police states like there, they just totally
Speaker 1: locked shut down. They in London for the two thousand
Speaker 1: twelve Olympics, they had missiles like on the side of buildings,
Speaker 1: like anti aircraft missiles like they were UH And that's
Speaker 1: what gave London UH the ability and license to lock
Speaker 1: every square foot of the public city down with closed
Speaker 1: caption or with CCTV. Yeah, sure, what is it? Because
Speaker 1: what is this close circuit not close caption with close
Speaker 1: close circuit TV cameras, And yeah, I mean it's been
Speaker 1: it's been an issue for a long time. Super producer
Speaker 1: Ana hosny A pointed out that Tommy Smith had his
Speaker 1: medals stripped for holding up his fist on the podium. Yeah,
Speaker 1: John Carlos, they all they they were, they got in
Speaker 1: trouble for for throwing, for putting their fists up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this is what's interesting though, too, because I don't
Speaker 1: know they're it's still not clear what the punishments are
Speaker 1: going to be or how they'll even enforce them because
Speaker 1: and like recently in the US, there was a fencer
Speaker 1: who the like the fence US fencing team won a
Speaker 1: gold medal, like at these Pan American Games or something,
Speaker 1: and he took and he took a knee on the podium,
Speaker 1: you know, just in solidarity. Uh, he's he's like a
Speaker 1: white athlete. And then he got he was put on
Speaker 1: probation for kneeling during the medal ceremony. But the backlash
Speaker 1: to that probation was so like severe that the US
Speaker 1: Olympic teams like, you know, oh, I'm sorry that that
Speaker 1: was a miss step. So I don't know how they're
Speaker 1: gonna figure this out. I have a feeling telling people
Speaker 1: this is going to inspire a lot of people to
Speaker 1: do something because guess what, once you on that fucking podium,
Speaker 1: like I'm coming short of stripping their medals away, which
Speaker 1: I don't think is going to happen at this point,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Maybe that's how severe they're going
Speaker 1: to act and say, if you do this, you risk that.
Speaker 1: But it's it sounds like that's not what the punishments
Speaker 1: that they're trying to give out. But again it's like
Speaker 1: so stupid given like have you not, like there aren't
Speaker 1: issues in the world right now. Well, and the IOC
Speaker 1: it's not like they don't have some skeletons in their closet.
Speaker 1: So millions we associate Jesse Owens with the Olympics because
Speaker 1: that's where he you know, made his name and became
Speaker 1: extremely famous. But the Olympics didn't organize that the Berlin
Speaker 1: Olympics with Jesse Owens. They organized it with Hitler. Hitler
Speaker 1: that was is like yo arians about to show out, honey,
Speaker 1: but to Jesse Owens being like, no, if I'm off
Speaker 1: this ship, hold actually here a third right, hold this
Speaker 1: one moment. But the they were the partner, not not Jesse.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean this is one of those you know,
Speaker 1: we we hate to rely on corporations do like putting
Speaker 1: pressure and on entities to do the right thing. But
Speaker 1: you know, if the corporate partners, you know, Nike, uh,
Speaker 1: Nike is supposed to be about the struggle and about
Speaker 1: like finding solutions to these social issues, about monetizing the struggle, right,
Speaker 1: but like this would be a great chance for them
Speaker 1: to say, funk off, We're not gonna be involved at
Speaker 1: all the Olympics. We have a whole line of the
Speaker 1: struggle where we're launching during the Olympics. And if we
Speaker 1: if they can't protest, this is gonna look real dumb
Speaker 1: when we when we unleashed this whole product line. Fuck yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, And I wanted to talk about a
Speaker 1: couple of possible solutions. Uh, there are no you know,
Speaker 1: police solutions in America that have been like implemented and
Speaker 1: are perfect. So we're just gonna be talking about like
Speaker 1: some things that have showed promise that are woefully inadequate
Speaker 1: and horribly underfunded, but like, hey, this is a thing
Speaker 1: somebody did that. If you expanded on that, like you
Speaker 1: have a possible, like partial solution to these problems that
Speaker 1: we talk about fucking literally every day. So there's been
Speaker 1: a programming Eugene or again, which is you know, a
Speaker 1: hippie college town, so it makes sense that it popped
Speaker 1: up there. It used to be called the Bummer Squad
Speaker 1: because it was, like I know it was it was
Speaker 1: basically these hippies with uh, psychiatric training who would go
Speaker 1: around and like help people who were having bad trips
Speaker 1: and like having mental health crises. And then it's like
Speaker 1: that somehow morphed into this thing that they ironically named
Speaker 1: Coots because they were like, fuck, we're in cohoots with
Speaker 1: the police. Nobody's gonna trust us ever, so they called
Speaker 1: it Coots as like a joke. But it's like been
Speaker 1: moderately successful, uh and pretty impressively successful when you realize
Speaker 1: they get to fucking percent of the budget of the
Speaker 1: police budget out of you know, a multimillion dollar budget,
Speaker 1: they get two per cent, but what happens is and
Speaker 1: the big complaint is that there's just a long wait
Speaker 1: time because they are far more appropriate for most police calls,
Speaker 1: but there's just not enough of them because again two
Speaker 1: percent of the fucking budget. But you know, they come
Speaker 1: and respond to mental health crises, to drug freakouts, to
Speaker 1: you know, anything that isn't like an over like violent
Speaker 1: threat they get called for. And the police are obviously
Speaker 1: very protective, so like they have that very strictly defined
Speaker 1: and it's been a decades a long struggle to get
Speaker 1: you know, the police to let them respond to situations.
Speaker 1: But they're unarmed, which is a great first step. Their
Speaker 1: entire goal is to de escalate. Uh. This Atlantic reporter
Speaker 1: went on a ride along and like a lot of
Speaker 1: the problems that they're coming up against are just these
Speaker 1: commons sense, Like it's just it's sort of the sort
Speaker 1: of thing that just having an interested party there who
Speaker 1: wants to help instead of wants to like escalate things
Speaker 1: and turn things into a fucking yeah hit a quota
Speaker 1: put you in jail, wants to react action. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: one of the anecdotes they find they're responding to a
Speaker 1: guy whose girlfriend had filed a restraining order against him,
Speaker 1: and he's like hanging around and when this coot squad arrives,
Speaker 1: they find out he's drunk, couldn't drive anywhere with the
Speaker 1: police there, and didn't want to go to any homeless
Speaker 1: shelter that didn't allow him to keep drinking. So what
Speaker 1: they did was literally just like called around, like did
Speaker 1: what anyone would have done if, like you had called
Speaker 1: that guy's sister to come. They called around, found a
Speaker 1: local motel that he could stay at, like for the
Speaker 1: amount of money that he had, found someone who could
Speaker 1: drive stick because his car was stick and he didn't
Speaker 1: want it to get impound it, and like that was it.
Speaker 1: And that's one of those situations where the police were,
Speaker 1: you know, ready to escalate, and a lot of communities
Speaker 1: would have escalated, right because in my I'm even jumping
Speaker 1: to the same conclusions some hairbrained cop would, which is
Speaker 1: like you hear, probably vaguely, there's a partner with a
Speaker 1: restraining order who's outside the home and will not leave,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh shit, Okay, this's a fucking confrontation,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's immediately that's the
Speaker 1: energy the police are going to show up with like
Speaker 1: to get this get the funk out, man, What the
Speaker 1: fuck versus what you're saying is compassion to just first,
Speaker 1: like what's happening here? Okay, Oh, I see you're not
Speaker 1: just you're not just staying because you're refusing because you're
Speaker 1: trying to like keep harassing this person. You're just so
Speaker 1: fucked up. You're like, man, I can't drive that kind
Speaker 1: of don't even know where to go, like he had
Speaker 1: nowhere to go, right, So it's like you probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very very common. I mean Olympio Washington has a
Speaker 1: really similar program, um two Cahoots, where they have mental
Speaker 1: health crisis responders go out on calls. And I guess
Speaker 1: what's really weird to me about this whole the police
Speaker 1: being super touchy about like you can't take over our things.
Speaker 1: They're also complaining that they have too much work and
Speaker 1: they don't have enough people to like answer handle all
Speaker 1: the calls and like which one which one is it?
Speaker 1: Like you want to be in charge of all the things,
Speaker 1: but you don't have enough time, energy resources too. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's both of these at the same time. They
Speaker 1: did say in this article that after like fighting the
Speaker 1: battle to like get the police to consider things. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of times the police would just be like, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we could call them to like do it, because they
Speaker 1: just wanted to get this ship off their plate. And
Speaker 1: like after it was up and running and there was
Speaker 1: like a working relationship there, the police were like, Oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, we don't have to deal with this ship. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I don't have any empathy. I can act right
Speaker 1: exactly this this situation seems to require a completely different
Speaker 1: skill set. Empathy squad go right. I love empathy squad man.
Speaker 1: My life's easier. I'm less angry. And actually I don't
Speaker 1: do ship all day? Now? Can I can I join?
Speaker 1: Where do I apply for empathy squad? I feel like
Speaker 1: it'd be a good a good team member. But that's
Speaker 1: literally like they say that that is the most important
Speaker 1: thing for doctors. Like when when when a doctor, like
Speaker 1: when they evaluate a doctor, and like how they test
Speaker 1: on an empathy test, which they only gave for this,
Speaker 1: Like it's not a thing that is like standard when
Speaker 1: you're like taking the medical boards, they're not like also
Speaker 1: giving you an empathy test. But they did a test
Speaker 1: with this one patient population, and the doctors who did
Speaker 1: the best on the empathy test, and like, irrespective of
Speaker 1: how like smart they were, those were the doctors who
Speaker 1: tested best, like didn't get sued like people just they
Speaker 1: got to the bottom of the problem. And like, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's just a big like it's you know,
Speaker 1: having other members of the community who will empathize with
Speaker 1: the person and approach it as a problem ablem solving
Speaker 1: situation like that. I I just feel like that's a yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a difference in like what you're saying
Speaker 1: is to approach it as a problem that can be
Speaker 1: solved versus the other version now, which is to clean
Speaker 1: up the trash. It's because if you're if your approaches
Speaker 1: now we got to clean up the trash, then every
Speaker 1: person or it's an instance you're in isn't It doesn't
Speaker 1: need a solution, It just needs to get cleared out.
Speaker 1: That's that's the motivate. That's the sort of m O
Speaker 1: of the police and the thought we have. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's And also in that empathy test, one of the
Speaker 1: doctors scored so high they realized he wasn't even a doctor.
Speaker 1: He just has so much empathy that he was creating
Speaker 1: these amazing outcomes and that sort of became a scandal
Speaker 1: too because they're like, well, hold on, well, yeah, it's true,
Speaker 1: like there's such a lack I think just in general too,
Speaker 1: is so many of our problems are because we just
Speaker 1: have a general lack of empathy across the board. With
Speaker 1: how we solve things. Everything is so data driven and
Speaker 1: nothing is really looking at what the human experiences and
Speaker 1: how that ties into how we act, interact, behave, consume.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, not. This group of people here
Speaker 1: means they think like this, and I don't need to
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in any other option. Imagin in the
Speaker 1: world where the unarmed mental health and addiction specialists got
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the funding, we're well staffed, well trained,
Speaker 1: well fed, well rested, and we're more likely to show
Speaker 1: up when you call the police, like instead of getting
Speaker 1: two of the funding, like and and again, like most
Speaker 1: cities do not have this, Like I have come into
Speaker 1: firsthand contact with the fact that l A does not
Speaker 1: have this. If you have somebody who's having a mental
Speaker 1: health problem, uh, who's having an addiction or substance abuse issue,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like there's the police show up. Basically, there
Speaker 1: are like social like crisis workers, but there's less than
Speaker 1: twenty employed by the count. Yes, yeah, exactly. The thing
Speaker 1: it's not you have to like find them and it's
Speaker 1: not like a thing where one is going to root
Speaker 1: you to those people. M I think it's I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the things that's so powerful about this, right
Speaker 1: is is just like from an evolutionary biology perspective, just
Speaker 1: having someone listen to you and believe you is huge. Right,
Speaker 1: Humans evolved to coregulate, So if you have someone who
Speaker 1: is with you in whatever the crisis is, like, just
Speaker 1: that alone is huge as opposed to someone again like
Speaker 1: seeing you as the problem. You as a person are
Speaker 1: the problems, and I need to handle you problem by
Speaker 1: getting out of here. And I mean it's just it's
Speaker 1: just incredible that like something. So it's just really small things,
Speaker 1: you know. Frequently it's like taking somebody a couple of
Speaker 1: cigarettes and a bottle of water and just kind of
Speaker 1: sitting with them for a little bit until they calm down,
Speaker 1: until their nervous system is less activated. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's really kind of small things frequently, but it I mean,
Speaker 1: it ends up saving our communities like millions of dollars
Speaker 1: honestly because you don't. There are fewer people being killed, right,
Speaker 1: there are a fewer people being harassed and and abused
Speaker 1: and brutalized, and so I don't know, it's just I
Speaker 1: would love to see of the police budget just go
Speaker 1: to like social welfare, mental health crises responders, like all
Speaker 1: of that. So good. Yeah, again, it's just so simple,
Speaker 1: you know, like even if you think about it, like
Speaker 1: anyone can can have this thought experiment, like imagine, we've
Speaker 1: all been piste off, We've all been in bad fucking moods.
Speaker 1: And you know, back when I was a little more
Speaker 1: agro in my day, if I was in a bad
Speaker 1: mood and someone came up like yo, what's up, like
Speaker 1: came up to me on some bullshit, I was more
Speaker 1: likely to react negatively because I'm in a bad place.
Speaker 1: Versus someone's like, hey you okay, what man? And I'll explain,
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, man, fun that because this is happening
Speaker 1: that that the and someone would say, oh that's fun
Speaker 1: up or it's been like oh yeah, I feel that,
Speaker 1: and I understand, and then you'll start coming down. But
Speaker 1: if someone starts saying, oh, what the funk now, you
Speaker 1: know what, shut the funk up? Why don't you want
Speaker 1: know you sit down? I got some questions for you.
Speaker 1: That is already that is going to become a cataclysmic
Speaker 1: interaction because we're not even like we're not even observing
Speaker 1: like the basics of human energy, like energetic communication by
Speaker 1: coming up to somebody distressed, like what the fun is up?
Speaker 1: Versus can I help you? Do you need something? You
Speaker 1: look distressed? And yes, Unfortunately, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people think, like what about the people that want to
Speaker 1: are are are like mean to do harm? Well, even
Speaker 1: if you have these police there, I think we need
Speaker 1: police with more scars who say this is from when
Speaker 1: I tried to I single handly refused to shoot someone
Speaker 1: with a knife and yeah, they cut my arm, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna fucking shoot them. They were weak as
Speaker 1: fun and I knew I could disarm them and that's
Speaker 1: what I had to do to avoid killing. This person
Speaker 1: was just distressed. And yeah, that's kind of what happens.
Speaker 1: And that's why I became a police officer because I
Speaker 1: know that ship like that can happen. But I also
Speaker 1: know people need to be treated a certain way because
Speaker 1: right now we have a bunch of scarless, pristine motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who just have a bunch of gunshot residue all over
Speaker 1: their hands. The my dad's dad was an inner city
Speaker 1: Philly cop, and his like number one thing that he
Speaker 1: bragged about among like seven other jobs, but the number
Speaker 1: one thing he bragged about was never he never pulled
Speaker 1: his gun out of his holster. And that was like
Speaker 1: a thing that was like a family legend, Like, Yo,
Speaker 1: he was a cop in the worst neighborhood and never
Speaker 1: pulled his gun out of his holster, and like that
Speaker 1: is that's a cultural thing. That's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: was just thinking like the fact that the best like
Speaker 1: probably top five action movies of my lifetime is about
Speaker 1: that North Hollywood shootout and the hero or one of
Speaker 1: the two heroes is on the side of the police,
Speaker 1: and it's like saying, ship, like let's rock and roll,
Speaker 1: Like when when it's time to like fucking start dooting people.
Speaker 1: Like that's I don't know, like that that's poisonous to
Speaker 1: the culture. Like that's poisonous to how we think about
Speaker 1: this ship and how we think about the police. Like
Speaker 1: and He is a fucking good movie, but uh, that's
Speaker 1: not it's not good for for like the how we
Speaker 1: think about this ship. So I also want to talk
Speaker 1: about because back in June, I believe a lot of
Speaker 1: people were talking about the fact that the Camden Police
Speaker 1: had abolished their police force, reinstated them, build it back
Speaker 1: from the ground up, and so on. Op ed in July,
Speaker 1: like after that story it kind of made the rounds
Speaker 1: pointed out that the abolition of the police was actually
Speaker 1: like part of this Chris Christie austerity measure thing that
Speaker 1: led to the kind of forced growing whider more aggressive.
Speaker 1: There were more complaints about like aggressive police action. The
Speaker 1: thing that actually led to the change that then led
Speaker 1: to fewer aggressive police actions was not that like change
Speaker 1: from on high. It was actually increased pressure applied by
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement, which enabled the local and
Speaker 1: double a CP chapter to start working with the police
Speaker 1: to change like actual policies and like they instituted a
Speaker 1: de escalation mentoring program. So it's I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how this got so completely fucked up. There were
Speaker 1: like three different like major news outlets, but this op
Speaker 1: ed was kind of pointing out that it was sort
Speaker 1: of getting it exactly wrong, like it was community based.
Speaker 1: And that's again, like I find that inspiring because for
Speaker 1: the same reason that like the the Cahoots thing is, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're medical experts, but a lot of the ship they're
Speaker 1: doing is just stuff that any neighbor can do for
Speaker 1: another neighbor, like if there's the funding, if there's the organization.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is from uh this guy's The op
Speaker 1: ed was by this guy, Stephen Danley, who is the director,
Speaker 1: the graduate director of the ms PhD and Public Affairs
Speaker 1: and Community Development at Rutgers University Camden. So he's like
Speaker 1: a the most on the ground expert that you can
Speaker 1: get on the subject and was like, that's not how
Speaker 1: it went right. Actually, can someone from Camden speak owners? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the community organizing, Like that's that's what put
Speaker 1: the put the pressure on them to make the changes,
Speaker 1: and then the fucking police department takes the credit for
Speaker 1: that ship. Think of how how much a difference it
Speaker 1: would make if you, as a person just living in
Speaker 1: your community, knew of someone who is in need and
Speaker 1: you could call. You could instantly call and say, Man,
Speaker 1: my friend really needs a job or you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I really my friend would really benefit from some counseling.
Speaker 1: Right now. I don't think that they don't know how
Speaker 1: to they don't know how to access it. But I
Speaker 1: know if they've had the opportunity, would really help them
Speaker 1: because so many things we can catch before they really
Speaker 1: become problems. But the problem is there's no support. So
Speaker 1: we just were like, yeah, I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. I don't know that they're gonna we so
Speaker 1: many times as saying we will say is I don't
Speaker 1: know what the funk they're gonna do because there are
Speaker 1: no options. So of course the situation will degrade to
Speaker 1: the point where the whatever the behavior could turn into
Speaker 1: something that would inspire someone to have to call the
Speaker 1: police or whatever. But like if you could just say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, hey I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: My friend needs my friend needs drug treatment like yesterday
Speaker 1: and needs a place to stay. They have no money,
Speaker 1: But I know if I let them leave my house
Speaker 1: right now, I don't know what is going to happen
Speaker 1: to them. Can we figure something out? Even if you
Speaker 1: had that boom, you don't need police, you're not. You
Speaker 1: just need to get somebody to support first, and you could.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how many, how much how fewer police
Speaker 1: interaction there would be if we all had access to
Speaker 1: help those we know that are in need. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh absolutely. And it's it was so frustrating to me
Speaker 1: about this again, is it? It's like it saves money.
Speaker 1: So all these people who are running around bitching about
Speaker 1: like oh the deficit, Oh, we can't spend money or
Speaker 1: we don't have anything to spend, but then they can
Speaker 1: find money for cops and they cannot find money anywhere
Speaker 1: in the budget for mental health services. Like it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's junk, right, because I think that people also
Speaker 1: don't think about the fact that like a single crisis
Speaker 1: right where the cops responded someone dies is tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars that cost the city just just just
Speaker 1: in like not even like paying the family like some settlement,
Speaker 1: like not even that, but just in like the paperwork
Speaker 1: that you have to do right, and the attorneys that
Speaker 1: you have to hire, and you have to bring in
Speaker 1: all these people to like check and see like did
Speaker 1: we do this right or you know, were me in
Speaker 1: the right? Obviously it's like they pay themselves that money, right,
Speaker 1: but they're like, we cleared ourselves in what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: It's fine, you guys, um, But yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: like just one one interaction right where you can step
Speaker 1: in between someone who is having a crisis that could
Speaker 1: turn violent, either like harming themselves or someone else, and
Speaker 1: just like that, again, that one interaction saves millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've it said, like I've known moments or
Speaker 1: I've been like, oh no, Like I've had friends who live,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they were a little bit out of
Speaker 1: control of their own lives, and there are moments where
Speaker 1: I knew I was like, this is not going to
Speaker 1: end well. Based on what I just heard on this
Speaker 1: phone call. This is not going to end well. And
Speaker 1: it didn't not like in anything lethal or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but a car wreck and you know, injuries and things
Speaker 1: like that. And you're like, and I don't. I months ago,
Speaker 1: I wish I was able to get this person into
Speaker 1: treatment or something or I get I have them, have
Speaker 1: to find them the ability to speak with somebody that
Speaker 1: could potentially help them in some way. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just imagine living in a country with a social safety net. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and really that's what this almost down to. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's all we're we're just all fantasizing about that. Imagine
Speaker 1: living in a country where rich people pay taxes and
Speaker 1: people who need help can actually access it. That'd be
Speaker 1: really cool. I would love to see what that would
Speaker 1: look like. Yeah, there's social safety net. There's just like
Speaker 1: it's people on the ground pointing guns at you and
Speaker 1: being like, don't fall. Don't fall, motherfucker. It's ugly down
Speaker 1: here that I'm warning you. It's ugly down here, So
Speaker 1: don't fuck you better not use net because it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna catch you. Yeah, And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: that too, is so much of like even how we
Speaker 1: interact with each other or just treat each other, the environment, animals,
Speaker 1: it's how much of that has to do with how
Speaker 1: that what the government is communicating to us as people.
Speaker 1: Because if we're getting the message it don't matter. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what the funk you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: If that's the message we get from the state, then yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's going to permeate throughout the you know, how
Speaker 1: we treat each other. That everyone absolutely because police are
Speaker 1: police or leadership, right like, regardless of how we feel
Speaker 1: about that, Like police in community our leadership and when
Speaker 1: they see all of us as enemy combatants, not neighbors,
Speaker 1: not friends, not community members, but like again, a problem
Speaker 1: to solve. Then we start seeing each other as problems too, right,
Speaker 1: even without thinking about it, we just kind of get
Speaker 1: this coding right where it's like, oh this, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a huge problem in Portland. Obviously, I'm sure many
Speaker 1: places are dealing with a lot of people being unhoused
Speaker 1: right now, but there is like there's just this framework
Speaker 1: where people who are kind of like pro police and
Speaker 1: like I want the businesses to be safe and whatever,
Speaker 1: are also like they just see on housed people not
Speaker 1: as people, but as trash should be taken out right,
Speaker 1: and the police treat them the exact same way. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're crumpled up newspaper with arms and legs, right,
Speaker 1: That's how I see you. It's not it's not even
Speaker 1: a human being. When it's it's so like when so
Speaker 1: many unhoused people are like if I just had an
Speaker 1: address for like two months, I could get a job.
Speaker 1: I could start earning money. But the problem is if
Speaker 1: I don't have a permit, Like there's such little things
Speaker 1: that are keeping me out of getting employed. On top
Speaker 1: of the countless failures that have occurred to me because
Speaker 1: of the state. But if I even had those things
Speaker 1: that that's a that's enough momentum to begin pulling myself
Speaker 1: out of the situation I'm in. But we don't fun
Speaker 1: that because you know, we gotta they gotta fuck some
Speaker 1: people don't want to fucking have they want to build
Speaker 1: a new development or some ship, and so that that's
Speaker 1: why the funding is going to complete the other directions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah again, but I think that's what's I think
Speaker 1: that's what the one thing is. It feels like the
Speaker 1: solutions are very like we can even idea right now,
Speaker 1: like imagine if that happened, Imagine if that happened, Imagine
Speaker 1: if this happened. Basin so well, that's that's another part
Speaker 1: two that aside from having to actually have build more
Speaker 1: like mutual aid and you know, taking care of our
Speaker 1: own communities, but also part and parcel that is to
Speaker 1: know when you have people who are trying to ask
Speaker 1: for your support, who are on some bullshit that has
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with like actual solutions, rather than
Speaker 1: like how about we how about you'll cash in those
Speaker 1: tanks for money. M hmm. Maybe you could put cut
Speaker 1: your tank budget down because the memes have been flying
Speaker 1: around all over the internet that was like try and
Speaker 1: guess which photo is the cops and which one is
Speaker 1: the military, And it's like, jokes on you. They're all
Speaker 1: cops and they're like in front of fucking armored you know,
Speaker 1: fucking m wraps and all this other ship. It's just
Speaker 1: that Brooklyn Center like protest where the cops were like
Speaker 1: just doing cover formation and just like firing like huge
Speaker 1: weapons like at these people, like at the people who
Speaker 1: are organizing. It's just like it couldn't have looked more
Speaker 1: like a war zone, yeah and more weak. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, Tory. It has been such a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you as always. Where can people find you and follow you?
Speaker 1: Thank you? I yeah, y'all are so fun. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy whenever I get an email like hey, whenever whenever
Speaker 1: open door? Oh yeah, where can people find me? Apparently
Speaker 1: I'm online still, so I'm gonna have to work on that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just at Tori Glass on Twitter and Instagram
Speaker 1: because I'm an old now apparently because the old fashioned
Speaker 1: technology social media's yeah. And then speaking of mutual aid,
Speaker 1: my Patreon that I set up was to pay rent
Speaker 1: for a black family or an Indigenous family for a year.
Speaker 1: So that's at white Homework dot com. And if even
Speaker 1: want to chip in, that would be awesome, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to take care of each other because no
Speaker 1: one else is going to. Yeah, I mean until this
Speaker 1: whole system inverts. Yep, yeah, that we really only have
Speaker 1: each other in the intim And is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some of the work of social media. You've been
Speaker 1: enjoying the work of social media. I'm going to use
Speaker 1: that line. That's amazing. It was. It was kind of niche,
Speaker 1: but um at Skywalker nine said, anyone who says that
Speaker 1: Portland has been destroyed does not live here and is
Speaker 1: trying to lie to make a political point. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, because they keep talking about how we burned
Speaker 1: our entire city to the ground and now we all
Speaker 1: just all live in these smoking hobbles. It's like, No,
Speaker 1: Portland is still one of the most beautiful cities in
Speaker 1: the country. You can have to check it out. Still here,
Speaker 1: still standing, despite Antifa and black lives mattering all over,
Speaker 1: essentially in spite of the police. Like it's literally because
Speaker 1: all violence assisticated by the cops. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're the ones while and now not the people interesting.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I have a friend of mine who lives
Speaker 1: in Portland who had a kid recently, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: where should I send the gift to? Just the rubble
Speaker 1: pile Portland's Will they get to you? You have a
Speaker 1: home still is a smol drink? Will you find it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's miles Where can people find you? With? Tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Uh? Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also
Speaker 1: the other podcast for twenty Day Fiance. Uh. Some tweets
Speaker 1: that I like. The first one is from Nicole Thurman
Speaker 1: at Nicole Thurman tweeting. Every period drama has a scene
Speaker 1: where a person just like walks around a brothel looking
Speaker 1: for someone stepping over three people who are intensely fucking Like,
Speaker 1: has anyone seen Jonathan? This one is from Caleb Heron
Speaker 1: at Caleb Says Things. It says this all came to
Speaker 1: me like a fever dream. It just hit me and
Speaker 1: the next thing I knew, I was at my desk
Speaker 1: in a Google doc for Jack and Tory. I just
Speaker 1: put the link in through the chat. I want you
Speaker 1: to look at this. It's like a way you can
Speaker 1: build the whole exercise. Here says what a profile about
Speaker 1: you in a cool publication would be titled, and you
Speaker 1: based that off your full name, your birth month, and
Speaker 1: your birth date, So your birth month has a bunch
Speaker 1: of different top like the headings or beginnings, and then
Speaker 1: a specific topic for your date, So mine would be
Speaker 1: Miles Gray looks down on smoking weed in the desert.
Speaker 1: That that couldn't be further from the truth. Yeah, that's inaccurate.
Speaker 1: Your horoscope is wrong to what's yours. Okay, let's see
Speaker 1: here it says, uh so Tory Williams Douglass respects reading
Speaker 1: Joan Didion. I don't even know who that is. I'm
Speaker 1: not cool, I'm not culture. You guys apparently so oh
Speaker 1: Joan profile. As you guys know, Jack O'Brian no longer
Speaker 1: fears thinking about the two thousand's. Oh that's true. That
Speaker 1: kind of that that vibes well. Um. And then lastly,
Speaker 1: just because you know we're millennials, Matt Pierce at Matt
Speaker 1: Deep here says they call us millennials because we've been
Speaker 1: alive for a thousand years. I love some good grizzled shit,
Speaker 1: good grizzled content you can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. A couple of tweets I liked Scotty
Speaker 1: two Snotty at not not Scotty tweeted cash here, would
Speaker 1: you like to donate to help fight kids? Me let
Speaker 1: me stop you right there? Yes and I had I'm serious,
Speaker 1: tweeted keep the same friend group for years, called that
Speaker 1: homieo stasis. Oh so sweet. Imagine having the same friend
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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as a song
Speaker 1: that we think you should check out. Miles what what
Speaker 1: songs should the people check out? This is from the books,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, like they're electronic. Their first album,
Speaker 1: I think the Lemon of Pink. I found out like
Speaker 1: this like early college days and I'm like, yo, you've
Speaker 1: heard this. I'm like, is it hip hop? And they're
Speaker 1: like no, and I'm like, dang, miss me with that.
Speaker 1: And then you know, like but then it takes like
Speaker 1: a weird album you listen to and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is kind of weird. And I was just like
Speaker 1: listening to like an old playlist in this song came up.
Speaker 1: It's called Tokyo and the way a lot of their
Speaker 1: tracks are just super interesting samples chopped up, but not
Speaker 1: in the way you know Primo would do on a
Speaker 1: gangstar beat, very like cut and paste interesting textures. And
Speaker 1: I really like this because there's a lot of sounds
Speaker 1: from Japan in it. So this is Tokyo by the books.
Speaker 1: That sounds dope, all right, go check that out. The
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