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Speaker 1: the Weekly zeitgeistal Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented,
Speaker 1: the hilarious Chelsea Webber Smith. Well, thank you for being
Speaker 1: here with you guys. Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 1: It's always such a great conversation to be ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I love talking to you guys. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: so good talking to you, as we've talked about before.
Speaker 1: You like your work on you know, social moral panics
Speaker 1: and just your kind of pop cultural history. Mind for
Speaker 1: pop culture history is just just injected right into my
Speaker 1: fucking veins. I love it. I will What are you
Speaker 1: trying to get a jumbo red top? You want to
Speaker 1: or want to? Is? Um? The other thing? I was
Speaker 1: gonna see what I was thinking to you when little
Speaker 1: nas x tworked his way to Hell. Okaybe I know
Speaker 1: that was full blown. It was you know, I will
Speaker 1: say it hasn't been great pr for Satanists the last
Speaker 1: little while here, you know, But yeah, I would think
Speaker 1: I think he has a brilliant PR team, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's a huge part of, because I think they
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing with that and what was
Speaker 1: going to happen. And is I appreciate a good PR
Speaker 1: stunt as much as I hate capitalism, I have to say.
Speaker 1: And that was a beautiful, beautiful rollout from start to
Speaker 1: finish there, and you know it was a Satanic panic,
Speaker 1: but man, things just the last Satanic Panic lasted like
Speaker 1: fifteen years and it's just like we're turning over. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we turned them over fast. But yeah, thank you for
Speaker 1: thinking of Yeah. You know, when Charles Manson died, a
Speaker 1: bunch of people called me, are you okay? And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't like superho killers. How does
Speaker 1: that feel for you? What? Wait? What did you think?
Speaker 1: I was in the manna? Like, oh, my god, the
Speaker 1: same thing. Oh, his wisdom was so beyond and his music,
Speaker 1: let's not forget pour one out for another musical king,
Speaker 1: that's pretty ridic Did you ever hear those weird tapes?
Speaker 1: Those those are I remember dating somebody who put me on,
Speaker 1: put me on, but like played them for me for
Speaker 1: the first time, and I immediately was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like why do you have all these MP three's, These
Speaker 1: are not good songs at all. And I was like,
Speaker 1: come on out to this y ch where me and
Speaker 1: my friends hang out, and uh, we can just you
Speaker 1: know about dumpster diving. It's like we love I can't
Speaker 1: remember it, but it's a real happy like let's go
Speaker 1: dumpster diving, you guys. And it's so he was heavily
Speaker 1: influenced by and even friends with the Beach Boys, and
Speaker 1: they both branched off in their opposite directions and took things.
Speaker 1: I think Kokomo is the most authentically and deeply satanic
Speaker 1: song in American culture because it's just like at that
Speaker 1: point where the hippies and like the sixties culture has
Speaker 1: completely sold its soul to capitalism and just like visions
Speaker 1: of you know, steel drums dancing in our head. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because Charles Manson and the Manson family
Speaker 1: like a huge kickoff for the satanic panic because originally
Speaker 1: they were like, this is a Satanic ritual, and so
Speaker 1: it's just like and then it was like Rosemary's Baby
Speaker 1: and the ex are cists in all of these like
Speaker 1: Satanic movies with all this like happenings around them that
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be like like a cross was struck
Speaker 1: by lightning the night of the premier and you know,
Speaker 1: so it's just like the beginning of this Satanic panic
Speaker 1: that we're still I mean, we've always had a Satanic panic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it just gets big sometimes it puffs up
Speaker 1: and I should say Satanic in the more evil than anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not nice Satanists who are just like challenging, Yeah, shall
Speaker 1: be the whole of the law. Yeah, is Satan is?
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like little Nozex is making Satan
Speaker 1: cool again. Like, yeah, I guess the real Since the
Speaker 1: Satanic Panic only lasted all but fifteen seconds, has Satan
Speaker 1: lost its appeal in terms of being a lightning rod
Speaker 1: for outrage for conservative people? Like are we in a
Speaker 1: post Satan world now? Like Satan is no longer the
Speaker 1: worst thing? Well, I mean, I guess it depends on
Speaker 1: which Christians we're talking about, like the evangel because there's
Speaker 1: been such an Evangelical resurgence, right, So it's like those
Speaker 1: folks are definitely on board with like Satanic forces, you know,
Speaker 1: controlling realism, like all that stuff is still around, but
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, it's lost its power problem
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. But it's just like the
Speaker 1: metal Heads, right, It's like the metal Heads of the eighties.
Speaker 1: It's in the backwards records. It's all the same ship.
Speaker 1: It's just a little bit more so and it's sexier now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to play that video backwards to hum,
Speaker 1: but he did kill Satan. Yeah. Did you ever witness
Speaker 1: a wave of comedy like sketch sketch comedy around Manson
Speaker 1: and the Beach Boys working together. I can think of
Speaker 1: like three things like sketch comedy pieces that were about
Speaker 1: Manson and the Beach Boys elaborating and they were like
Speaker 1: the there was just so stupid but laughing. So it
Speaker 1: was like the old I think you should leave now
Speaker 1: bit where he's like trying to contribute lyrics about like
Speaker 1: the Spooky Day and the guys that trying of recorded
Speaker 1: legit song, like the Beach Boys working on some harmonies,
Speaker 1: and then like sort of the the game of the
Speaker 1: sketch was like Manson breaking, He's like yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Satan would come in and drip blood down on the
Speaker 1: thing and they're like we're talking about young woman's new
Speaker 1: car that she's driving to the beach, like alright, alright,
Speaker 1: yeah stuff and kept coming back with all kinds of weird.
Speaker 1: Oh man, when you look sketches also so good that
Speaker 1: you referenced I think, yeah, we look at the like
Speaker 1: battle between within the beach boys, even accepting Charles Manson,
Speaker 1: like the over the lyrics. It's such a bummer because,
Speaker 1: like as Brian Wilson was trying to make Pet Sounds
Speaker 1: and Smile, you had Mike Love, like who was just
Speaker 1: a like branding dude, like a marketer from the start,
Speaker 1: who was like, no, man, it's all about the chicks
Speaker 1: and the cars and yeah. And then like when Pet
Speaker 1: Sounds didn't like sell a bunch of albums out of
Speaker 1: the gate, he like used that to just be like,
Speaker 1: see what did I tell you? Man? You don't you
Speaker 1: don't know ship, leave it to me, Mike Love, And
Speaker 1: that that started the whole Yeah, it's a it's a bummer.
Speaker 1: It is a saga. What is something you think is overrated? Ah?
Speaker 1: So overrated? Um, I'm trying to figure out the best
Speaker 1: way to phrase this, but I would say talent or
Speaker 1: like the word talent, so this is kind of speaking
Speaker 1: as an artist. So I got my training like a
Speaker 1: long time ago, back in high school. Primarily I've been
Speaker 1: kind of drawing on and off, but doing other stuff.
Speaker 1: I was an English major and university and all these things,
Speaker 1: so kind of like art became kind of more of
Speaker 1: a hobby, but like I still continue to do it,
Speaker 1: you know, in my free time, and I just get
Speaker 1: very tired at this age, Like I'm thirty now, and
Speaker 1: I'm always hearing people say, oh, you are so talented,
Speaker 1: your artists so good, You're so talented, and artists a
Speaker 1: skill just like any other skill, any other tree that
Speaker 1: you can do um and so like it's something I
Speaker 1: studied to do, Like I didn't just like magically become
Speaker 1: good at art, Like I had to work to get
Speaker 1: good at art, I guess. So I know that people
Speaker 1: mean well when they say that, but I prefer the
Speaker 1: word skilled over talented. I would say, yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: because I think it obscures essential part of what it
Speaker 1: means to do, like any kind of creative art that
Speaker 1: you engage in. I think to put that word talent
Speaker 1: because I used to have this idea too of what
Speaker 1: art was or what an artist was or did, and
Speaker 1: it was a person who was just I don't know,
Speaker 1: You've got these freaks walking around call artists and they
Speaker 1: just can't help themselves but to pick up a brush
Speaker 1: or an instrument or whatever, and they just fucking do
Speaker 1: their thing. It's wild. It's like they're like kind of
Speaker 1: the superheroes of our of our culture in a weird
Speaker 1: way without really like thinking like, no, these are all
Speaker 1: just fucked up people who this is a thing they
Speaker 1: really like to do. And the process of even being
Speaker 1: creative is like it's never this magical thing where someone
Speaker 1: is just thinking so originally and they came up with something.
Speaker 1: I thinks why. There's like a book I read. It's
Speaker 1: a very easy read. It's called how to Steal Like
Speaker 1: an Artist. That really helps like deconstruct this idea that
Speaker 1: like people aren't just iterating on things that happened that
Speaker 1: they've they've looked at or were influenced by, rather than
Speaker 1: this idea that like in a vacuum, you're hit with
Speaker 1: inspiration and coming up with something so next level. And
Speaker 1: I think that maybe help will help people embrace like
Speaker 1: their own interest in a certain artistic endeavor. Like it's
Speaker 1: like anything, it's a muscle. You gotta The first ship
Speaker 1: you're gonna do isn't gonna be good. It's gonna be whack.
Speaker 1: But you like it and it doesn't matter. And that's
Speaker 1: the beauty of it is that it doesn't matter. You
Speaker 1: just keep doing it and keep doing it and you
Speaker 1: get better and better. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think most artists like to um at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: we all like like to redraw stuff that or will
Speaker 1: not just necessarily draw, like any art, you know, they
Speaker 1: like to redo the thing that they did before to
Speaker 1: see how they've grown. It's like the easiest way also
Speaker 1: to show other people how they've grown. Of course, I
Speaker 1: draw so differently from what I did like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: or you know, twenty years ago when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: But well, I guess right now I'm more primarily doing
Speaker 1: like digital painting and stuff like that. I do also
Speaker 1: lots of fiber arts, so I'm also working in starting
Speaker 1: knitwear design. So I knits and I spin, I sow
Speaker 1: a little bit, and those are all skills also, and
Speaker 1: I didn't always know how to do those things either, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, just looking at the art, like when you
Speaker 1: go to your Twitter feed, there's like four different pieces
Speaker 1: of art in your pinned tweet and oh yeah because
Speaker 1: it was portfolio day. Yeah yeah, it's very like it's
Speaker 1: encouraging to me to hear you say that like talent,
Speaker 1: like that it's not just god given talent because like that,
Speaker 1: this is like you. It's like you have photo realistic stuff.
Speaker 1: You have like really cool looking, like more cartoon influenced stuff,
Speaker 1: and like I just feel like people I would look
Speaker 1: at that and be like, Okay, here's somebody who just
Speaker 1: woke up and was able to like reproduce whatever was
Speaker 1: inside their head. So that's pretty dope to hear. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still think that my art could use improvement, but
Speaker 1: I do I do appreciate hearing that people enjoy my artworks.
Speaker 1: The process. You know, we're never done. We're never done,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think that's the biggest
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest gift you can give yourself
Speaker 1: as a creative person, because yes, while we can always
Speaker 1: be like I can do better and ship. Trust me
Speaker 1: as a Japanese person, I know, I know the ship
Speaker 1: that can get in our heads, specifically around like folk
Speaker 1: like nailing down a raft and perfecting things because that's
Speaker 1: part of the culture. But I think in terms of
Speaker 1: like telling ourselves constantly, like we're always iterating, we're always evolving,
Speaker 1: so what my style is now will not be the
Speaker 1: style it will continue. It's just like you gotta go
Speaker 1: easy on yourself because it's so easy, like fun, this
Speaker 1: should be better. Fucking I'm done. I'm frustrated because that
Speaker 1: should happens a lot, and it's very easy to burn
Speaker 1: out if you're not you know, giving yourself that. They
Speaker 1: say that, like, um, like just in parenting, when the
Speaker 1: worst thing to do is to compliment a kid on
Speaker 1: like their natural ability in something, and the better thing
Speaker 1: is to like treat it as a process where you're
Speaker 1: like kind of learning and you know, make a verb
Speaker 1: of it as opposed to like a commodity that the
Speaker 1: kid is like, wow, you're you really like get math,
Speaker 1: you're really good at math, and as opposed to like
Speaker 1: you're doing great and math, uh yeah, wow, look at you.
Speaker 1: Your your on your way to being a mathematician. Right,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you gotta you have to sort of take
Speaker 1: out the past fail, good, bad, binary just talking about
Speaker 1: things like this because they're not that simple and because
Speaker 1: of that, like how we wander in all these sort
Speaker 1: of toxic ways of thinking. Yeah, yeah, definitely. That especially
Speaker 1: goes for things where it's I think people get caught
Speaker 1: up in this, especially when it's like writing or doing
Speaker 1: doing things that aren't as like evident outwardly, as like
Speaker 1: being a really being able to draw really cool ship
Speaker 1: you're like making music, where like feedback is a little
Speaker 1: more instant. Yeah, stuff a bar uh feedback. I don't
Speaker 1: even think that was you mean whammy bar wam wammy.
Speaker 1: I call it wham because we're tight. Yeah. What is
Speaker 1: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are,
Speaker 1: what you're up to? Oh boy, um Misha Barton. I
Speaker 1: looked up recently, uh in the in the pandemic. I've
Speaker 1: been rewatching the O C to It's part of my
Speaker 1: nightly ritual to stay sane. I eat a little bowl
Speaker 1: of potato, chips and pretzels and watch an episode of
Speaker 1: the O C. Okay, what's your I'm not too I
Speaker 1: want to continue this, but I want to stop you
Speaker 1: there on the little bowl of chips and pretzels? How
Speaker 1: do you prepare the how big is the bowl? And
Speaker 1: what is your idea in terms of how you're you know,
Speaker 1: moderating what the mixes in the amount. Great question. Uh,
Speaker 1: so you got it. It's a small ball, it's you know, regular,
Speaker 1: it's maybe a cereal bowl. All right, so it's not
Speaker 1: like huge and uh you got you put like a
Speaker 1: handful of potato chips, and this is how you have
Speaker 1: to work it out. For every two regular sized potato chips,
Speaker 1: you eat one pretzel and their role goald pretzels. Look,
Speaker 1: we're in California. I can't get the good stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania. If I was back in Pennsylvania, I'd be
Speaker 1: getting tom Sturge pretzels. Tom Sturge is pretzels the best?
Speaker 1: And uh probably, I don't know, goods potato chips whatever.
Speaker 1: Potato chips don't have large um at this point, but um,
Speaker 1: that's the ratio. And so you're watching your oc getting
Speaker 1: your salty snack on and he thought, what's up to now? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: really all of them. Also I learned something very interesting.
Speaker 1: Rachel Bilson comes from Hollywood Royalty. She's like the screenplay
Speaker 1: for the Five Bloods this year. Maybe he's not nominated
Speaker 1: but he should be. But yeah, that was a screenplay
Speaker 1: that was like about five Vietnam vetts. That was like
Speaker 1: has been kicked around since the nineties and then Spike
Speaker 1: Lee came in and gave it a reason to exist.
Speaker 1: She went to my high school, Rachel, Wow, do you
Speaker 1: know her? No, she was like a senior when I
Speaker 1: was a freshman. Was she actual student or was she
Speaker 1: like already acting? And she's like, you know, like the
Speaker 1: same thing like Kirston Dunns is also like when you're acting,
Speaker 1: you don't go to You're not at school, like you're
Speaker 1: just at you just you say you go to a
Speaker 1: school for like the social part to say like, oh,
Speaker 1: I go to this high school twice a year for
Speaker 1: a test and then I'm on set the rest of
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. A lot of people don't know this,
Speaker 1: but Laura Bundy, uh Andy, in her recent episode, I
Speaker 1: revealed that Laura Bundy, Yes, that Laura Bundy, who played
Speaker 1: one of the kids in Jumanji, went to my high
Speaker 1: school in Kentucky. And that was a defining fact for
Speaker 1: kids who went to my high school. Uh And Miles.
Speaker 1: Miles was like, oh yeah, christ and Dunce went to
Speaker 1: my school and a big deal and didn't even mention that.
Speaker 1: Rachel Bilson did. I mean, look, you know it looked
Speaker 1: at her Rammy Malick go out together when they were
Speaker 1: in high school. I don't know you went to my
Speaker 1: high school too. I've read they She posted a picture
Speaker 1: when Rommy Malok was nominated for an Oscar. She posted
Speaker 1: a picture them from high school, and apparently he wrote
Speaker 1: her on Instagram, was like, please take that down. I'm
Speaker 1: a very private person when it comes to awkward pictures
Speaker 1: of me, and one is more like a kind of
Speaker 1: round faced teen kid. Okay, sure, round me. Here's an
Speaker 1: actual little known fact to me up until a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Did you know that Penn Badgeley and
Speaker 1: Adam Brody are not the same person. I. I had
Speaker 1: just fused them as the same person in my head
Speaker 1: because Dan and Adam was this character's name, Adamant so Dan.
Speaker 1: Penn Badgeley played Dan and gossip Girl. Adam Brody played
Speaker 1: Seth and the O C. And they were both like
Speaker 1: the literary kind of nerdy character. And I had absolutely
Speaker 1: completely fused them in my brain. Uh. And then Adam
Speaker 1: Brody was on uh comedy Bang Bang the other week,
Speaker 1: and I was like picturing Penn Badgeley the whole time,
Speaker 1: Penn Badgeley's hot man Zucas? Right? That was that what
Speaker 1: he is? That's what I That's how I remember Pendu Well,
Speaker 1: Penn Badgually I've never seen with a beard. Does he
Speaker 1: allow me to litter the chat with this image of
Speaker 1: hot man Zukas? Yeah, he's the dude. Miles posted a
Speaker 1: thirty line long link. Oh yeah, hot hot Zukas. Um
Speaker 1: hat for Zukas. Maybe Vulture should do one of those
Speaker 1: things where they have two friends talk except with Penn
Speaker 1: Badgeley and man Zukas, right, Zukes and Penn, how is?
Speaker 1: How's the OC holding up? I was not like I
Speaker 1: watched a couple episodes when it first came out. I
Speaker 1: never really got fully into it is a three. I
Speaker 1: loved it when it first came out because Seth Cohen
Speaker 1: I was close to that age, and he was into
Speaker 1: indie rock and comic books and representation matters as we
Speaker 1: all know what. I had never seen someone into Death
Speaker 1: Cab and The X Men on TV before, so an
Speaker 1: awkward Jewish kid into indie rock and comic books. So
Speaker 1: I found that to be important in my development, but
Speaker 1: not bad. It's not bad, honestly, like it's still pretty enjoyable,
Speaker 1: Like they're all very good actors and they're having fun
Speaker 1: mostly and there's some fun dialogue there. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's it has the problems that any show that has
Speaker 1: to do two episodes a season like they mostly used
Speaker 1: to do UM have, which is like, how do you
Speaker 1: fucking keep a show? How do you keep things going
Speaker 1: for twenty episodes? So there's all these ups and downs,
Speaker 1: so like everyone's breaking up every two episodes, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, right, don't they run into like the gotta
Speaker 1: keep hyping sing it to the point that like or
Speaker 1: not murders, but people die and like it goes happens.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I've never seen the o C before,
Speaker 1: and I've only yeah, dude, I did, uh kind of no,
Speaker 1: but I would say the country would, would you, Andy,
Speaker 1: Could I obliging man in the year of our Lord,
Speaker 1: one who has never seen the o C cast eyes
Speaker 1: upon this master work and have an effect that is positive? Uh? Sure?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, they're not They're like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, honestly, I don't know. I'm trying. It's tough
Speaker 1: to think about it through the eyes of like present
Speaker 1: day kind of woe Hollywood, And I say kind of
Speaker 1: in the sense that like Hollywood today is like they
Speaker 1: love hiring. It's it's like companies, but it's still like yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still like everyone behind the scenes as white,
Speaker 1: so you're still getting a white perspective. Is just now
Speaker 1: said through the mouth of a black person. Mostly there's
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a handful of exceptions. I don't it's fun.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know like what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: It's it's certainly not. I didn't find it too offensive.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I don't know if it it would
Speaker 1: be offensive necessarily, more just like if as like you know,
Speaker 1: like since you have a connection to it from back
Speaker 1: in the day, you're watching it with a different sense
Speaker 1: versus sort of objectively being like, yo, check out the
Speaker 1: see check it out is streaming, baby, I look by
Speaker 1: the way, I didn't say check it out. I said,
Speaker 1: So you're saying I'm not saying to check it out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was not. I was not recommending this. I was saying,
Speaker 1: this is how I've survived, right, This is this is
Speaker 1: my own unique medical intervention for my boredom, right right,
Speaker 1: this is prozac for me, and I would never give
Speaker 1: someone else that prescription. Right, what is something you think
Speaker 1: is under rate? I have two things. The first one
Speaker 1: I think I'll just quickly say, I think DMX prior
Speaker 1: to his passing, I think a lot of artists do
Speaker 1: get you know, they're the word. They're more celebrated posthumously,
Speaker 1: and I just you know, it's I mean, he's an
Speaker 1: o G. You know, he's a pioneer in the game.
Speaker 1: He's he's so talented. How many hits did he have? Like,
Speaker 1: and it's unique put other rappers on as well, Like
Speaker 1: he has a legacy. And I just you know, I
Speaker 1: know because he had his health issues. And I do
Speaker 1: say health issues because that's how addiction should be treated,
Speaker 1: you know. I think this society is very cruel and
Speaker 1: oftentimes when people are in vulnerable situations like that, they
Speaker 1: become the butt of jokes. So you know, now I
Speaker 1: think people are you know, after the guy is so
Speaker 1: sick and then past it's like he's being celebrated, But
Speaker 1: I think he should have been celebrated, you know. Is yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a he has a very unique place too,
Speaker 1: because I think alongside just his like very clear charisma
Speaker 1: and things like that. There was something about how he
Speaker 1: projected his personality through Rapp that transcended a lot of
Speaker 1: the weird I mean, granted, yes, like he he's an
Speaker 1: o g of also the most some of the most
Speaker 1: toxic should I've ever heard of rappers say, like without
Speaker 1: a doubt, like things I'm like laughing now, like, oh
Speaker 1: you wrote that down. And but after a while, like
Speaker 1: as you really kind of look at his life and
Speaker 1: its totality, you realize like from childhood he had been
Speaker 1: in and out of like correctional facilities and juvenile detention
Speaker 1: and things like that, because he was he was trying
Speaker 1: to survive on his own. If you listen to the
Speaker 1: to lib Quality interview he did last year, there are
Speaker 1: moments where he is so open about things he has
Speaker 1: been through that when you really look at it, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh right, everyone just thought, oh he's the dog, like
Speaker 1: oh wow, But truly, like it was a very broken
Speaker 1: human being who had to adopt a much more aggressive
Speaker 1: persona I think to sort of hide his own pain.
Speaker 1: But within that, like he was able to also express
Speaker 1: which is oddly enough, he needed sort of the language
Speaker 1: of this, like hyper masculinity to be emotional, and he
Speaker 1: was able to do that in a way that didn't
Speaker 1: get him you know, people would be, oh, he's soft
Speaker 1: because he's crying on stage and ship, but he cried
Speaker 1: on stage and people felt that ship like in the
Speaker 1: early two thousand's um And I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: to be said about, you know, sort of like those
Speaker 1: elements of his work and like, yeah, of course you can.
Speaker 1: There's nobody has a legacy that's completely pristine. But I
Speaker 1: think of with this one for sure, I think we
Speaker 1: just took him as like an energy vibe rapper. But
Speaker 1: as I kind of reflect more, I'm thinking of like
Speaker 1: the things that actually pulled me in. And I think
Speaker 1: it was how because he was so emotionally transparent on
Speaker 1: top of like just being a great performer. But I
Speaker 1: think it was he was able to be vulnerable in
Speaker 1: a way that like a lot of like rappers really
Speaker 1: weren't at the time. So yeah, he communicated more like
Speaker 1: in the intros like before he started rapping, just like
Speaker 1: was like so much just energy and pathos and yeah,
Speaker 1: like just that dude's spirit that dudes energy is like
Speaker 1: because I mean there was like the flex culture of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: look at me what I got or whatever, and like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm with this, this, that and the other
Speaker 1: woman whatever. But it was a lot more about like
Speaker 1: just dark ship that he was going through. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as much of like the it wasn't as material. I mean,
Speaker 1: later on, I think he started to make the more
Speaker 1: like party albums and things are you know, track slightly different.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think that's
Speaker 1: really what I think was for me interesting because he's
Speaker 1: coming up in the time where like hard Knock Life
Speaker 1: or bad like bad Boy is sort of dominating the sound,
Speaker 1: which is all materialism, and then to have this guy
Speaker 1: like screaming in a tank top wearing a like chain,
Speaker 1: like a literally like chain link as like a fucking
Speaker 1: jewelry and you're like, ohh remember an X going to
Speaker 1: give it to you when he was when he said
Speaker 1: fight these tears, I was like, huh, that's yeah, you
Speaker 1: want to fight me? Fight these tears? Are like wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like that's dark, that's that's emotional. Yeah, he's an artist.
Speaker 1: He really is an artist. And like in terms of
Speaker 1: having a pristine legacy, I mean, we're human. Humans are
Speaker 1: no humans perfect, right, But he's he's an artist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's artists thrown through And you can just tell from
Speaker 1: the amount of people that showed up when he was
Speaker 1: on his deathbed, Like it's it's weird. You know, we've
Speaker 1: lost a lot of artists before. But it's interesting when
Speaker 1: you can actually like you can begin to measure truly
Speaker 1: like from the output of like people sharing memories or
Speaker 1: like moving into physical space to be near. It is
Speaker 1: a huge thing. So, yeah, sad to see him. It's
Speaker 1: only only fifty young, fifty years young, rest in peace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough time for you know, I
Speaker 1: just anecdotally I know people who are passing because of
Speaker 1: suicide and drug drug addiction, like more more than I
Speaker 1: feel like I've ever like kind of just anecdotally, like
Speaker 1: not not like close friends of mine, but close friends
Speaker 1: of close friends. And it just seems like the pandemic
Speaker 1: has taken a toll. And just in general, the fact that,
Speaker 1: like Physy said, these are illnesses that people aren't willing
Speaker 1: to treat his illnesses, that like those things are taking
Speaker 1: a toll, especially in America, You'll see, I mean, and
Speaker 1: you hope that these are the kinds of moments that
Speaker 1: can hopefully shift move a prod the culture to move
Speaker 1: forward a little bit, to be like if if you're gonna,
Speaker 1: if you're willing to say the addiction was a tragedy.
Speaker 1: When they're dead, you have to be able to have
Speaker 1: that same empathy and energy for someone from the onset.
Speaker 1: It can't be like, oh, you're crackhead and then it's
Speaker 1: over there, because I think that I think that was
Speaker 1: a lot of the discourse, especially in the last sort
Speaker 1: of ten years or so when he really had kind
Speaker 1: of fallen off, where people just like, oh, he's an afterthought,
Speaker 1: like you know, he did that to himself, when when
Speaker 1: it's so funny because most of us know we have
Speaker 1: examples of addiction in that struggle in our lives that
Speaker 1: we are very much invested in the wellness of that person.
Speaker 1: But with celebrities it's like this thing. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: fuck you till you die, and then when you die,
Speaker 1: oh what a shame? Right, Yeah, yeah, alright, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and all right, let's talk briefly about infrastructure. Yeah, it'd
Speaker 1: be nice to have some yeah here, alright, moving on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's really my take, just my idea. I
Speaker 1: just read this thing about France and I was like,
Speaker 1: it must be nice. But you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of nations are, especially America, takes it's sweet fucking
Speaker 1: time trying to figure out how to combat CEO two emissions.
Speaker 1: There's like little examples of like just small things you
Speaker 1: can do to have positive outcomes. Like in France, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, when they're not busy in acting just horrifically islamophobic,
Speaker 1: he job laws and you know, robbing people of agency
Speaker 1: because that's just not how we get down here. Uh,
Speaker 1: they are really trying to figure out like a practical
Speaker 1: way to combat emissions. And not that I'm just saying like,
Speaker 1: oh yes, shout out to them. But there's just an example,
Speaker 1: right that they've been trying to read configure in internal
Speaker 1: domestic flights with by saying if there is a flight,
Speaker 1: an internal domestic flight that can be covered by train
Speaker 1: in under two and a half hours, we ain't doing
Speaker 1: that flight anymore. We're just not doing it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense because then you can take a fucking train
Speaker 1: because on average the plane has amidst seventy seven times
Speaker 1: more CEO to per passenger than the train. So that's
Speaker 1: like a little thing you can do. Okay, it's so wonderful,
Speaker 1: but we already got like things where like Republicans are like, oh,
Speaker 1: given money to amtrack, right, Yeah, that's what my first
Speaker 1: thought was, Like, wait, so the government's telling them to
Speaker 1: do that and they're listening without like a enormous political
Speaker 1: backlash on like a bunch of militia people like yeah,
Speaker 1: they also do ship like be like oh, Air France,
Speaker 1: you need some money. Okay, well guess who owns part
Speaker 1: of that now the government? Because you needed some bailout money,
Speaker 1: we're here. It's like it's my friend. Though, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you were really thinking, imagine you were thinking like
Speaker 1: a businessman, if another business person came up and you said, hey,
Speaker 1: let me get alone, you'd be like, okay, give me
Speaker 1: a stake in your fucking company. That's your fucking head
Speaker 1: that come up with that ownership scheme. It's not like
Speaker 1: the US government hasn't bailed out their lines like constantly
Speaker 1: it's just bad PR to nationalism, I mean exactly, that's
Speaker 1: all it is, is bad PR. It's actually good policy
Speaker 1: and it makes for better outcomes by not allowing these
Speaker 1: greedy funks to do whatever the funk they want. So anyway,
Speaker 1: along those lines, it's just saying it's stuff like this
Speaker 1: that the U S should be thinking about more aggressively,
Speaker 1: because the other thing is like, as much as they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go electric, all electric everything, it's gonna be electric.
Speaker 1: Avenue was still mainstream electrical parade that when you see
Speaker 1: our fleets coming down the street, Okay, fine, but that's
Speaker 1: not Electric cars alone will not solve this crisis. Like,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider the carbon footprint for the production
Speaker 1: and transport of electric vehicles, it's not it's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: electric cycling is actually going to have to factor in
Speaker 1: on some level for us to really cut down on emissions.
Speaker 1: And I was just reading this other piece, especially looking
Speaker 1: at things happening in Europe as a result of pandemic,
Speaker 1: like I think overall, but like interest in cycling has
Speaker 1: gone up in this country myself included, like I use
Speaker 1: a bike way more than I used to. But just
Speaker 1: looking at simple things like this. In this study, they
Speaker 1: found urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for
Speaker 1: just one trip per day reduced their carbon footprint by
Speaker 1: about a half ton of c O two over the
Speaker 1: course of a year, and that's essentially the same as
Speaker 1: the equivalent emissions from a one way flight from London
Speaker 1: to New York. So and if just one in five
Speaker 1: urban residents permanently changed our travel behavior in this way
Speaker 1: over the next few years, it could cut emissions of
Speaker 1: car travel too close to eight eight percent in Europe
Speaker 1: specifically in this analysis. So like, just build the bike.
Speaker 1: Like you see places that have bike lanes and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, why wouldn't bike there because it's safe. L
Speaker 1: A is like fucking add max, Like you've got to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I hope you're built to ride a
Speaker 1: bike in the in these streets because nobody's saving you.
Speaker 1: It's just different levels of encouragement. I think we need them.
Speaker 1: There used to be a thing at like when I
Speaker 1: worked for a tech company where they would ask you
Speaker 1: if you drove to work and they would actually be
Speaker 1: able to enforce it because you wouldn't get a parking
Speaker 1: spot if you said that you like rode a bike
Speaker 1: to work, and then you would get like a tax
Speaker 1: break I think or something. This was in l A.
Speaker 1: But that's like rather than going through your employer. Why
Speaker 1: not just make it so that people like can report
Speaker 1: for riding a bike everywhere and like get get some
Speaker 1: sort of credit that doesn't require all sorts of you know,
Speaker 1: the the US just makes things super complicated and favoring
Speaker 1: of employers over employees so that they don't lose the
Speaker 1: power to the you know, so capital doesn't lose the
Speaker 1: power to the people. Yeah, I'm just thinking like the
Speaker 1: like even with New York, right, all the stuff that
Speaker 1: is being proposed, like how can we reuse the street?
Speaker 1: It's smarter, you know, because clearly COVID led to a
Speaker 1: movement of like reclaiming these streets for it was like
Speaker 1: public spaces or no car spaces and like using bikes
Speaker 1: and things like that. To to wasteide opportunity to apply
Speaker 1: that sort of thinking across the country, it's such a
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. And for like people like to ride bikes
Speaker 1: in l A, which is wild, Like there's there are
Speaker 1: many opportunities to ride your bike with groups or whatever.
Speaker 1: You can. Fucking there's like certain paths that you can take,
Speaker 1: but it's not enough where it feels like a city
Speaker 1: that's thinking about people who ride bicycles And I feel
Speaker 1: like when you're in just to give people that encouragement
Speaker 1: would be just such a natural way where something like oh, funky,
Speaker 1: I would love to ride a protected bike path rather
Speaker 1: than worrying if I'm gonna get sideswiped by a cost
Speaker 1: goal delivery truck because nobody's looking that like just passively,
Speaker 1: like just sit. You can't cost much money. It can't
Speaker 1: cost that much money, and you're damn sure not spending
Speaker 1: it to help unhouse people. So where the what the
Speaker 1: funk are y'all doing? And like the and COVID's lockdowns,
Speaker 1: like nature just sort of started to blossom in this
Speaker 1: weird way because a lot of the pollution was cut
Speaker 1: down and so it's like, like you said, it's this
Speaker 1: missed opportunity to be like, okay, so this is like
Speaker 1: the effect of us doing X, Y and Z. So
Speaker 1: then we obviously can't keep going at that rate, but
Speaker 1: how can we apply some of the you know, the
Speaker 1: improvements as negative as everything's been, the environmental improvements of
Speaker 1: us just like not fucking with everything constantly, right, So
Speaker 1: it's like I hope that we I am dubious, but
Speaker 1: I do hope it will take stuff from that that
Speaker 1: it makes it disheartening. There's been some coverage of the
Speaker 1: of that being like somewhat exaggerated, the like echo like
Speaker 1: benefits and like the you know, dolphins have returned to
Speaker 1: the canals of Venice. I think that was fake id
Speaker 1: but but I think they're you know, overall, there's definitely
Speaker 1: been a decrease in flights, decrease in you know, miles driven,
Speaker 1: and I was I was just thinking, as as you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about, like way things that we could
Speaker 1: take from the pandemic. If we're allowed to just wear
Speaker 1: sweats from now on, like everywhere, it doesn't matter, then
Speaker 1: I can ride my bike to work and not worry
Speaker 1: about the fact that like I sweat through three shirts.
Speaker 1: We have to become a post drip society, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have to move into a post
Speaker 1: drip culture because the drip is you know, directly related
Speaker 1: to capitalism, consumer capitalism, and I think if we can,
Speaker 1: if we can move to a post drip economy, a
Speaker 1: post drip society, a lot of ills will be remedied.
Speaker 1: Because I think to outwardly be able to you know,
Speaker 1: evoke your status with your clothes is like the is
Speaker 1: the is the first game that ship plays on you
Speaker 1: to beIN sort of rat racing towards nonsense and post
Speaker 1: drip in the sense that I will be completely dripping
Speaker 1: and sweat and people have to get over that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about Matt Gates. Just check in
Speaker 1: real quick with him. I think the women who worked
Speaker 1: for him have put this whole story to bed by
Speaker 1: using the always effective uh sexual predator evidence of well,
Speaker 1: there are women who he hasn't assaulted and been a
Speaker 1: creep to, so therefore it must mean that he's not
Speaker 1: a creep because I mean, yeah, this, I I will
Speaker 1: just read this because that's always like, if you're racist,
Speaker 1: then you need someone to be like as a friend
Speaker 1: to other non whites. Um, and I have a few
Speaker 1: of them who will perform for me for my defense.
Speaker 1: But in this case, this is the press that or
Speaker 1: the statement that came out of his office today. The
Speaker 1: women of US Congressman Matt Gates's official office released the
Speaker 1: following statement after the shocking allegations last week in the press,
Speaker 1: we the women of Congressman Gates's office feel morally obligated
Speaker 1: to speak out. Also, just so you know, no names
Speaker 1: are specifically signed up a statement just because it's written
Speaker 1: by Matt Gates. Actually, I just read it like this
Speaker 1: toxic fuck. During Congressman gates Is time in office, we
Speaker 1: have been behind the scenes every step of the way.
Speaker 1: We staffed his meetings, we have planned his events, we
Speaker 1: travel with him, we have even tracked his schedule. Congressman
Speaker 1: Gates has always been a principle and morally grounded leader.
Speaker 1: At no time has any one of us experienced or
Speaker 1: witnessed anything less than the utmost professionalism and respect. No
Speaker 1: hint of impropriety, no ounce of truthfulness. Okay, maybe twenty
Speaker 1: seven grams of it, but that's a graham short of announce. Now,
Speaker 1: in our office and under Congressman Gates's leadership, women are
Speaker 1: not only respected, but have been encouraged time and time
Speaker 1: again to grow, achieve more, and ultimately no our value. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me continue. On every occasion he has treated each
Speaker 1: and every one of us with respect. Thus we uniformly
Speaker 1: reject these allegations as false. That is such a fucking stretch.
Speaker 1: And get a single one of them to sign their
Speaker 1: name to this again, and the final one, just so
Speaker 1: you know it's really written by a conservative male Congressman
Speaker 1: Gates will continue to lead by example and stand for
Speaker 1: the people of America who have been maligned by the
Speaker 1: liberal elite, and we will stand with him. While we
Speaker 1: recognize the scrutiny we will face for making this decision,
Speaker 1: we take comfort in the hope that more Americans and
Speaker 1: elected officials will stand up and refuse to remain silent
Speaker 1: about what sex trafficking. Yeah about the pictures he was
Speaker 1: showing people. Sorry, I had to sit back down after
Speaker 1: standing to salute after that statement, though, I mean there
Speaker 1: and then, and unfortunately the details are just getting worse
Speaker 1: and more clear that he absolutely has everything to do
Speaker 1: with this Joel Greenberg, guy who's under investigation. Uh. The
Speaker 1: last thing that came out was like over the before
Speaker 1: the weekend, were these VENMO receipts to that popped up
Speaker 1: to Joel Greenberg, the guy who's trafficking these young women
Speaker 1: and and girls in certain instances where Gates sent Greenberg
Speaker 1: nine dollars and then the next day Greenberg is sending
Speaker 1: out nine hundred dollars in different denominations to three different women.
Speaker 1: So it says the membo field for the first of
Speaker 1: Gates's transactions to Greenberg, was titled test. In the second,
Speaker 1: the Florida GOP congressman wrote, hit up blank, but instead
Speaker 1: of a blank, Gates wrote a nickname for one of
Speaker 1: the recipients. Um. When Greenberg and this, the Daily Beast
Speaker 1: said they're not sharing that nickname because the teenager had
Speaker 1: only turned eighteen, eighteen years old, less than six months
Speaker 1: before this transaction. When Greenberg then made his VENMO payments
Speaker 1: to these three young women, he described the money as
Speaker 1: being for one payment quote tuition, one quote school and
Speaker 1: the other one quote school. Q and on are you there?
Speaker 1: Can you help? Huh? Are you? Where is your energy? Que?
Speaker 1: Where is that energy for the for the child the
Speaker 1: child sex trafficking or is it is it just cover
Speaker 1: for your your ignorance and white supremas. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but if help um so now two to two of
Speaker 1: his staffers have already resigned, probably more at this point,
Speaker 1: and he's truly now going for the defense that we
Speaker 1: saw a certain Alabama Secretary of State deploy last week
Speaker 1: where he says this is from his office. Matt Gates
Speaker 1: has never paid for sex. Matt Gates refutes all the
Speaker 1: disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gates has never ever been on it,
Speaker 1: he said, never ever, come on now, has never ever
Speaker 1: been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gates cherishes the
Speaker 1: relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the
Speaker 1: love of his life. Says like never always. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're already lying never ever, ever, ever, ever ever. He
Speaker 1: just got a did right due, I swear my mom, Dude,
Speaker 1: I swear my mom. I sweared my mom. I had
Speaker 1: never paid for sex, bro, Dude, make I'll swearing anything,
Speaker 1: name something right now? My grandma. Do you know how
Speaker 1: much I love her? Bro, I'll frown that ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: Grandma and the crosstairs of the universe. Yeah, of letting
Speaker 1: Karma a crush your poor grandma because you are a
Speaker 1: fucking sex criminal allegedly. Um. And also it got even
Speaker 1: worse because News then broke that Greenberg Joel Greenberg, he's
Speaker 1: gonna make He's gonna I think he's gonna take a Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's going to be Kooper rating, meaning Gates may
Speaker 1: now become the prize show horse he always wanted to be.
Speaker 1: And I just want to play this clip because Joel
Speaker 1: Greenberg's lawyer, dude, credit to this guy. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: play this exchange or right after they talk about like
Speaker 1: the plea deal happening immediately the pre is like to
Speaker 1: Joel Greenberg's lawyers like, hey, like, so what do you
Speaker 1: think this means for Gates? And he's trying his best, y'all.
Speaker 1: But this is a beautiful bit of back and forth
Speaker 1: between Joel Greenberg's lawyer on the heels of announcing that
Speaker 1: they're probably can take a plea deal. Do does Matt
Speaker 1: Gates have anything to worry about? Does Matt Gates that
Speaker 1: is such a um comes to what happened today? Does
Speaker 1: he uh have anything to worry about? And you're asking
Speaker 1: me to get into the mind of Matt Gates and uh, well,
Speaker 1: from your mind, from my mind, my clients. See, I
Speaker 1: thought if I kept on talking and talking, I would
Speaker 1: avoid these questions and not to say, um, I'm sure
Speaker 1: Matt Gates is not feeling very comfortable today. Oh damn
Speaker 1: he this is. And it's while he also did the
Speaker 1: dumb man thing where you you know you fucked up.
Speaker 1: So you're just gonna laboriously repeat the question back what
Speaker 1: did I do last night at the club? So you're
Speaker 1: asking should you be worried? About what I did. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you want me to enter the mind of you,
Speaker 1: my partner. Okay, land this out here because I do
Speaker 1: need let me let me just write this down real quick.
Speaker 1: Let me okay, let me just write down. Um, so
Speaker 1: you're the subject. But I do love. I have to
Speaker 1: respect that he came clean. I was like, I thought
Speaker 1: if I kept repeating what he was saying that I
Speaker 1: would run out the clock. And it doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: have worked. And so yeah, he's fucked. Yeah that was beautiful. Please,
Speaker 1: you know, just resign and fucking whatever. I mean. It's
Speaker 1: so weird too, like when these staffers leave now it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the racist insurrection is ship or the other
Speaker 1: stuff before. Just weird when people draw these lines. But
Speaker 1: it also shows you the nature of working in politics
Speaker 1: is like you're truly like hitching your wagon to a
Speaker 1: star and when you realize it's about to explode, like
Speaker 1: you got to try and take that momentum and like
Speaker 1: hopefully it jettison's you into like another orbit. But I
Speaker 1: don't know how the funk you're gonna leave have this
Speaker 1: on your resume. You might be like, oh, I actually
Speaker 1: didn't work from I was just smoking mad weed. The
Speaker 1: best you can do. Uh, it's just like Matt Gates
Speaker 1: is such an idiot. Yeah, it's really I would almost
Speaker 1: say I feel bad for white men because like, damn,
Speaker 1: like the world reflected some dumb ship back to y'all,
Speaker 1: like you could, like you can get away with this
Speaker 1: kind of ship, and it's made you the worst criminals
Speaker 1: on earth. Its wild because it's like for so long
Speaker 1: they get away with it. That wouldn't the fact that
Speaker 1: what they do because they can get away with it,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're fucked up. Like it takes pleasure
Speaker 1: in routing people. M hmm, Like there, it's crazy. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm thinking about like Scott Ruden also just because
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, like unnecessarily cruel, and it's it's purely
Speaker 1: for your own personal gratification, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not even about the other person. It's like you're
Speaker 1: you're completely out of control and you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: how I just respond to ship. And I do that
Speaker 1: because I'm not willing to for a second create some
Speaker 1: self awareness or figure out like if this is the
Speaker 1: right thing. It's just me indulging my fucking worst impulses constantly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so important for them to make those worst impulses
Speaker 1: a part of what like drove them to success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rather than it just being you got lucky and you
Speaker 1: happen to be of a certain level of intelligence that
Speaker 1: you were able to do this thing and you could
Speaker 1: have been nice the whole fucking or Matt Gates, bro,
Speaker 1: you had everything right. You're from from a so much wealth,
Speaker 1: familial wealth. Like he grew up in the Truman Show House.
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Yeah, literally the Truman show House,
Speaker 1: literally the house that they made the Truman Show in
Speaker 1: that they shot the Truman Show in. Oh no, so
Speaker 1: he has main character syndrome. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. They've been just feeding him privileged like he's
Speaker 1: like they're trying to make fog raw like just NonStop
Speaker 1: advantages and he doesn't. That's that's just it's he's curdled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back. Uh. And so the prosecution
Speaker 1: in the Derek Chovian case has rested, and now time
Speaker 1: for the defense to uh pull out all the stops,
Speaker 1: explain why what we all saw was not what we
Speaker 1: all saw and it's it's wild. I mean, like some
Speaker 1: of these expert witnesses, it's just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like what is this? Is this a thing where you
Speaker 1: will be able to continue to consider yourself like a
Speaker 1: functional human being after after doing this? I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the thing for people who are the defense lawyers
Speaker 1: and experts, For people like Derek Chauvin, You're you're operating
Speaker 1: in a different on a different wavelength because you're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: all right, let me put the cape on for white
Speaker 1: supremacy and try and obscure the facts as best as
Speaker 1: I can, and trying, well, I can go to sleep
Speaker 1: at night because I'm a goblin and I live on
Speaker 1: the side of a church and I turned to stone
Speaker 1: at night. So the whole thing is, like their witness
Speaker 1: is so Guy Fowler is just an absolute fucking clown
Speaker 1: with the theory like that. Essentially, this guy is almost
Speaker 1: suggesting like, you know, maybe George Floyd was actually dead
Speaker 1: before the police arrived, Like these are the kinds of
Speaker 1: swings he's taking. And the whole thing isn't even like
Speaker 1: a clear theory that he has. It's just to be like,
Speaker 1: well it could have been. I don't know it could
Speaker 1: have been that could have been, could have been a
Speaker 1: white supremacy doesn't exist. I don't know, guys, what am
Speaker 1: I doing up here? So he says, first a few
Speaker 1: of the theories Floyd's oxygen intake was impeded by the
Speaker 1: exhaust pipe of the nearby police car where he was
Speaker 1: being knelt on. Then he also did concede during the
Speaker 1: cross examination that he didn't know anything about the car,
Speaker 1: what kind of exhaust came out, or even if it
Speaker 1: was running at the time. So they were like, he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, how's this? Let me all right, new angle,
Speaker 1: new angle? How about this one? Perhaps a tumor found
Speaker 1: in Floyd's lower abdomen could have contributed to a sudden
Speaker 1: surge of adrenaline that led to quote sudden cardiac or hythmia.
Speaker 1: What yeah, this is like arguing with the person who's
Speaker 1: just trying to argue, like you don't know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot a lot like arguing with the conspiracy theorist, or
Speaker 1: like a flat earther is like, how do you know
Speaker 1: you've been? You've been, You've been to space? Have you
Speaker 1: flown up there and seen the curvature of Earth? Because
Speaker 1: then well, that's that's their eployed, like they're just leaning
Speaker 1: into how do you know out? Yeah, They're only thing
Speaker 1: is like you have to prove down the shadow of
Speaker 1: a doubt, and doing that the thing where they give
Speaker 1: themselves intellectual cover for their racism, which is to be like, well,
Speaker 1: it couldn't just been that this guy just killed this
Speaker 1: black guy because it's racist. It could have been this,
Speaker 1: it could have been that. Because for me to agree
Speaker 1: with you that this officer, then I have to actually
Speaker 1: acknowledge this form of racism on some level, which I'm
Speaker 1: not willing to do, so I would rather retreat to
Speaker 1: the safety of these intellectually disingenuous arguments of for example,
Speaker 1: the position of Chauvin's knee during the arrest, saying it
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily restricting Floyd's breathing and if it was, there
Speaker 1: would be evidence of bruising on his body. There was
Speaker 1: bruising on the body. The prosecutors entered. They they showed
Speaker 1: that evidence. So it's just like again, this is it's
Speaker 1: just an exhausting exercise in trying to deal with this,
Speaker 1: you know, expert, and this seems to be his specialty
Speaker 1: obscuring black death because This is another this from the
Speaker 1: Daily Beast quote. Though not part of the Chauvin case.
Speaker 1: Fowler is currently being sued for his expert testimony in
Speaker 1: another case in Maryland where police killed a black team
Speaker 1: and arrest the parents. The teen's parents described as quote
Speaker 1: chilling lee similar to George Floyd's, but a death that
Speaker 1: Fowler similarly testified was quote accidental. So he's like the
Speaker 1: special forces white supremacy, you know, like operative, let me help.
Speaker 1: What is it looks like a clear cut case of
Speaker 1: this murder. Here's a bunch of mush. And we have
Speaker 1: such a longstanding relationship in systemic racism with with um
Speaker 1: logic and science and the neutrality of using that as
Speaker 1: a rationalizing and kind of eradicating any kind of like
Speaker 1: humane perspective on it. It just reduces it down to like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're just talking about if the law is about
Speaker 1: like what are the specific facts and or and the
Speaker 1: science behind is the specific facts, that's all they're going
Speaker 1: to lean into, and that's all that that and that's
Speaker 1: going to be their safety point. Because I think the
Speaker 1: next step that we do in this fucking country is
Speaker 1: like but that that is what justice is is based
Speaker 1: on truth, on fact and truth, and so these impassioned,
Speaker 1: you know, from our perspective, completely logical arguments of like
Speaker 1: you have documentation of someone being murdered, you have someone
Speaker 1: being crushed and slowly choked, Like, yeah, that's what we see.
Speaker 1: Amiensa yeah, while screaming about it, they'll be like, no,
Speaker 1: but we need to get in to really get under
Speaker 1: the hood here, because otherwise, if this poor man is
Speaker 1: wrongly accused, our entire system, you know, would be upended.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's always people have been wrongly accused.
Speaker 1: It's constantly this thing of like the system needs to
Speaker 1: be protected, the system needs to be sort of like
Speaker 1: the fragility of the system is being tested and we
Speaker 1: have to kind of uphold it. That that that's my
Speaker 1: imagining of what this Well it's the last line because well,
Speaker 1: because yeah, the system itself is inherently racist. So to
Speaker 1: acknowledge it would it would i would have to crumble
Speaker 1: more in the sense that justice would have to be
Speaker 1: applied in this context where normally wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: retreat under the cover of law or legal lease sort
Speaker 1: of explain away what actually happened. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: remember my great poem I just did like these alabaster temples. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just don't want to. They're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: can you imagine the paperwork involved if we admit we're
Speaker 1: we're a racist country. No, we can't deal with too much. Man.
Speaker 1: If it's really bad, then yeah. If they don't know
Speaker 1: how to stick to the script and keep it low,
Speaker 1: then yeah, sure we'll do that to create some semblance
Speaker 1: of justice. But that's not what this whole thing is.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that was going on during this
Speaker 1: whole portion again, even the journalists and people who were
Speaker 1: observing the trout, they weren't even clear if any of
Speaker 1: this testimony from these experts was actually helping Chouvin at all.
Speaker 1: They were more like, that is harming him because this
Speaker 1: stuff is so nonsensical. One of the last things Fowler
Speaker 1: said was he saw no evidence that Floyd was oxygen
Speaker 1: deprived because he didn't complain during the arrest of experiencing
Speaker 1: problems with his vision, which would be indicative that you
Speaker 1: are you're you're being deprived of oxygen. You would be
Speaker 1: seeing these spots, the little spots of light and things
Speaker 1: like And because George Floyd only said I can't breathe.
Speaker 1: How do we know this? He literally made this argument.
Speaker 1: And when someone's trying to murder you, you also have
Speaker 1: to treat them as your doctor. You've my throat, my
Speaker 1: carodd artery has been severed, and there from the blood
Speaker 1: loss like what you feel like a Virginia Wolf style
Speaker 1: like stream of consciousness of literally everything you're experiencing. Uh,
Speaker 1: these are the hoops all to avoid. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: giving justice to somebody who's been murdered is just to
Speaker 1: do all these fucking ridiculous hoops when before it's easy
Speaker 1: enough for a black person to get killed because he
Speaker 1: looked at somebody. Really, and again, the defense is laughable
Speaker 1: because white supremacy is laughable, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It doesn't hold up to any scrutiny, the idea that
Speaker 1: because you are white, you are owed things. So when
Speaker 1: someone has to go up and try and essentially give
Speaker 1: some kind of quote medical counterpoint to what is just
Speaker 1: a clear hate crime that results in the death, yeah,
Speaker 1: you look, it looks like absolute nonsense. So I hope
Speaker 1: the jury is equally as disturbed as most people hearing
Speaker 1: this would be. But well, there and there is one
Speaker 1: jury member who um apparently is a Blue Lives Matter supporter,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a female, and I think she
Speaker 1: had another she had voiced at some point some issues
Speaker 1: she had with Black Lives Matters, So I don't know
Speaker 1: how the funk she got on there, but when she's
Speaker 1: in the mix. Interestingly enough, because when they were looking for,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to select the jury pool, they had
Speaker 1: to fill out surveys like did you hold a sign
Speaker 1: during the summer? Would it say? I wonder if she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, said Blue Lives Matter. I think I'd like
Speaker 1: to have for a little spice. That's all it takes you, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and that's why this it's that's why this ship is
Speaker 1: so frustrating, because Black people are having to look time
Speaker 1: and again into the eye of this demonic system in
Speaker 1: this country to say, what, we don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us why you're protesting though today you like?
Speaker 1: And that's just more insidious because they should just be
Speaker 1: saying we don't give a fuck. I'm here because I
Speaker 1: have to, we need to appear a certain way, but
Speaker 1: really we don't give a fuck. And if you want,
Speaker 1: if you want the proof, look at the outcomes. There's
Speaker 1: no justice for you because we don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Well that's that that that recurrent thing where they're like,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why people damage property and and
Speaker 1: and lose control. It's just like for us to not
Speaker 1: have for us, I don't know, it's for people to
Speaker 1: not have the like, Yeah, if you were pushed to
Speaker 1: this point, what the funk would you do? Like, how
Speaker 1: would you react? We see how you, like a lot
Speaker 1: of you people react having a black kid walk through
Speaker 1: your neighborhood in South Carolina. You know, you lose all
Speaker 1: control and and you know, jettison them short of you know,
Speaker 1: murdering them. But it's like but there's no there's no
Speaker 1: identification with you're with the other and that you know.
Speaker 1: It is just like it's so insane and it's and
Speaker 1: it's so insane because it is insane. It is a
Speaker 1: it is a dysfunctional way that we collectively are dealing
Speaker 1: with trauma, ongoing trauma that we that we bring to
Speaker 1: one another over and over again, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool, but all in all, pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this House bill, which you know progress
Speaker 1: that it's getting raised as a as a possibility at
Speaker 1: least we're making the Republicans go on the record and
Speaker 1: squash it. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, yeah, just the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, again, as we're talking all the ills in
Speaker 1: this country, especially regards to racism, we can draw a
Speaker 1: straight line to slavery and the fact that we have
Speaker 1: had no reckoning with it, absolutely none. Just you know,
Speaker 1: here's a month, yes about that, okay, and then other
Speaker 1: than that is just crickets. So you know, for decades,
Speaker 1: black lawmakers have been trying to advance legislation that would
Speaker 1: at the very least begin to formally analyze what needs
Speaker 1: to be done, how we can right these wrongs. And
Speaker 1: some legislation did just move out of committee um to
Speaker 1: do just that, allowing for the formation of a commission
Speaker 1: to look at the impacts of slavery discrimination from fucking
Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen and now, um and there figure out ways
Speaker 1: what we need to alter in our educational system, what
Speaker 1: are the solutions to to right all of the racist
Speaker 1: wrongs in the country, and what kind of compensation should
Speaker 1: be offered on top of that, considering the just the
Speaker 1: by design poverty that black people experience. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: a really great moment when we see those things, But
Speaker 1: you always realize, yeah, I got out of committee, where
Speaker 1: then it has to be voted on by these other
Speaker 1: fucking people in this country. And you already have Jim
Speaker 1: Jordan's saying, spend twenty million for a commission. There's already
Speaker 1: that's already decided to take money from people who were
Speaker 1: never involved in the evil of slavery and give it
Speaker 1: to people who are never subject to the evil of slavery.
Speaker 1: That's what Democrats on the Judiciary Community Committee you're doing.
Speaker 1: So that's that's about it, you know. I mean, it'll
Speaker 1: get out of the House, but then the Senate like
Speaker 1: what what again? Another moments to where I think even
Speaker 1: for people who are you know, looking at politics enough
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, well that's a rap, or even black
Speaker 1: people looking at like, okay, preparations, like that's that's the
Speaker 1: cynicism that we live with because I'm yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: just I think a lot of people are underrating just
Speaker 1: how exhausting this is really becoming now, like on top
Speaker 1: of everything else. That's truly it's like I don't know
Speaker 1: how long we can just keep asking nicely, you know,
Speaker 1: and then be have just your face spit in and
Speaker 1: um and still try and maintain your dignity or humanity
Speaker 1: throughout that and so, uh ship, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, like this is until we can
Speaker 1: we can solve issues like this of having these Jim
Speaker 1: Jordan's and this minority rule in the country. It's like,
Speaker 1: how come there's no one's going to get anything there?
Speaker 1: I wonder if there, I mean, I wonder how much effect.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not immediate effect definitely, Like with this
Speaker 1: kind of thing, is like we're going to have a
Speaker 1: commission to vote on the possibility of mentioning that it
Speaker 1: could be yes, maybe, but if anything, you know, sort
Speaker 1: of like a glacial pace. This in combination with the
Speaker 1: choven trial and Minneapolis and just this past year with
Speaker 1: BLM and even you know recently with sort of like
Speaker 1: standing up for Asian you know, rights and abuses and stuff.
Speaker 1: This is like the naive kind of like maybe why
Speaker 1: liberal hope part of me or something. But it's a
Speaker 1: little bit like Okay, yeah, I mean I guess if
Speaker 1: if anything, we just kind of like keep your keep
Speaker 1: doing it because if if if it does get to
Speaker 1: a point you're like, oh well we try, we'll just
Speaker 1: like put it on the back burner for another twenty years.
Speaker 1: The next time it's going to be real bad. But
Speaker 1: it's it's exhausting. It is like you said, how much,
Speaker 1: how much? How much compromising of your dignity, of anyone's dignity,
Speaker 1: and of just being traumatized over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: How much can can really stand? It's yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I think you know. Unfortunately, glacial
Speaker 1: pace is like the theme this thing, and because of that,
Speaker 1: generations of people come and go without seeing anything change.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that that's the thing. You know,
Speaker 1: the people of color are technically a minority in this country,
Speaker 1: so until the tipping point really has to come from
Speaker 1: other people in this country. Because every we all what
Speaker 1: the fucking steaks are. People in proximity to us who
Speaker 1: are allies know what the fucking steaks are. But it's
Speaker 1: this whole other section of the country that has no
Speaker 1: interest in looking at this in any other way except
Speaker 1: their own denial to maintain comfort, yeah, and to just
Speaker 1: avoid thinking that anything could be wrong in this country
Speaker 1: as well, and to just excuse their own ignorance. And
Speaker 1: it's not just the Republicans either, I mean by the
Speaker 1: I'm still can't get past Biden in the aftermath of,
Speaker 1: you know, the first night of demonstrations in Minneapolis, saying
Speaker 1: that like we're waiting to see on like the initial
Speaker 1: murder of an unarmed, very young man, but there's no excuse.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I can like say is automatically
Speaker 1: wrong is looting. It's just so frustrating. He has to
Speaker 1: still wait wag of inger at black people. That's what
Speaker 1: it is that he can't or else he's a race
Speaker 1: trader and subconsciously he's not willing to be a race
Speaker 1: trader and say that is absolutely wrong. This person needs
Speaker 1: to go to jail immediately, that what we saw was
Speaker 1: an absolute hate crime. If you if you saw they
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he sounds like a black person, because
Speaker 1: I don't hear white people talking like then if they do,
Speaker 1: they're like very radical activist people, but not people in
Speaker 1: real positions of power, because you you stand to be
Speaker 1: you know, you're perceived race trader or whatever the funk
Speaker 1: it is. But he you have to still have that
Speaker 1: position of like, yeah, that was bad, but also that
Speaker 1: that that the that that the remember who's in charge again?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna let you know by saying that member
Speaker 1: capitalism is about protecting capital and property, not about people,
Speaker 1: so don't don't break any windows. Well, the crazy thing
Speaker 1: is like he's sort of future trading any any positioning
Speaker 1: he might have for other you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It is it's a little bit of a bargaining chip,
Speaker 1: like well I could I could say this, but then
Speaker 1: I would lose this move I could make later for
Speaker 1: this other thing. Just the political aspect of sort of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the political triangulationship is just old now because
Speaker 1: like the the the people that lose out are the
Speaker 1: ones that are actually at most risk while you wait
Speaker 1: to find out what the most efficient position is rather
Speaker 1: than going full stop on the side of humanity. I
Speaker 1: just also don't I don't I wish the Democrats would
Speaker 1: kind of learn, like, Okay, clearly the Republicans have established
Speaker 1: that there's a precedent maybe based on our sort of
Speaker 1: social media internet world we live in. And I was
Speaker 1: like the half life of scandal and what you've said,
Speaker 1: there will be something else to replace it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He could have called this, called this out,
Speaker 1: and so may be like, oh my god, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's not he's not one of us anymore. That's gonna
Speaker 1: get swallowed up and would be and would be elevated
Speaker 1: if it started the conversation like it just if it
Speaker 1: jumps started. You need one very white celebrity to do
Speaker 1: something like that and sparked the outrage, like what's the problem.
Speaker 1: What did I say? That's wrong? And I'm going to
Speaker 1: be the one to say, what's the fucking problem with
Speaker 1: you Democrats? Triangulation like kind of reminds me. It seems
Speaker 1: like it's of a piece with the what we're talking
Speaker 1: about on the journalism side of this, like both sides
Speaker 1: and it and like triangulation. Okay, so the Republican side
Speaker 1: is this, but the other side, the people who are
Speaker 1: being murdered on video while screaming I can't breathe are
Speaker 1: saying this. So we have to like in our favor
Speaker 1: every time, right, So we have to talk about both sides.
Speaker 1: And it's just like you know that the documentary like
Speaker 1: the villain of that is like the Clinton administration, like
Speaker 1: the fucking and it's all, well, I am a Democrat
Speaker 1: by name, and so therefore I have to do these
Speaker 1: Republican things to like confuse people into like both sides
Speaker 1: into supporting me, and it's just like that should is
Speaker 1: so far past. I mean it should have never existed.
Speaker 1: But what has never had anything like I haven't because
Speaker 1: she was so sort of front and center on so
Speaker 1: many I feel like anytime it was a statement from
Speaker 1: the president, it was also a statement from her. But
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything, you know, reaction otherwise from her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean at that point, I've been emailing her and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not rental. I mean I think the thing was
Speaker 1: just sort of very milk toast, kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. I think what this says, quote
Speaker 1: folks will keep dying if the country does not address
Speaker 1: racial injustice. Okay, Vice President Harris, you got any fucking ideas,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck talked to old man Joe? But again,
Speaker 1: this is why I like, it's that why it's so
Speaker 1: disheartening too, because no matter who's in the office, there's
Speaker 1: just these everyone is still cut from the same cloth
Speaker 1: of only rocking the boat to certain degrees. No one's
Speaker 1: no one's going to flip the table, and the table
Speaker 1: flippers get fucking marginalized real quick. That's just how the system,
Speaker 1: you know, that's how it protects itself. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person is a big table flipping energy to the
Speaker 1: sides you go, you know that or there Now I
Speaker 1: feel like they kind of position it's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's just their brand. That's the bullshit that they're like
Speaker 1: putting out there, that they're actually this person Like there,
Speaker 1: there's there's a real point. I mean, it's always existed politics,
Speaker 1: but field now like there is a very poisonous sort
Speaker 1: of acknowledgement of like everybody's got their kind of brand,
Speaker 1: everybody's got there sort of like persona you know the
Speaker 1: fact that they come at AOC. It's just like she's
Speaker 1: just coming. She's just like leaning hard into this like
Speaker 1: twentysomething kind of liberal, you know, trying to grab her
Speaker 1: base in that way. And so it doesn't even huh
Speaker 1: do you think that I do? I mean, is being
Speaker 1: performative with the progressivism? I don't. But I've heard people say,
Speaker 1: you know that that there's an aware there's that thing
Speaker 1: of like that you have to have an awareness of
Speaker 1: who you're speaking to, but you also have I think
Speaker 1: there's the cynical version is that that there's always a
Speaker 1: performative thing like who who knows how genuine they are,
Speaker 1: And once we start to call that out in each other,
Speaker 1: then you just then you cannot It's hard to sort
Speaker 1: of invest any kind of hope and faith in collective efforts,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If we're mainly with our
Speaker 1: our leaders and stuff, well, I think that's why we
Speaker 1: have to ditch the notion that these people are going
Speaker 1: to do anything yeah yeah, or not put yeah, not
Speaker 1: put put the full onness of like out they're here
Speaker 1: to save us. Yeah. And I just even look at
Speaker 1: like the natural disasters that have occurred, I hear more
Speaker 1: stories anecdotally about people in the community just helping each
Speaker 1: other than the fucking then FEMA coming through with something complately,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like especially like in exists
Speaker 1: when things were completely fucked up, like people were like,
Speaker 1: fucking we're gonna we're gonna help each other out. Yes,
Speaker 1: there is government assistance, but there's on some level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we we realized police aren't going to protect us,
Speaker 1: and these politicians all they do is just fucking just
Speaker 1: do with their fucking stand up sets and on the hill,
Speaker 1: and we're like great, cool. Think you are describing libertarianism
Speaker 1: at work, Miles, they're they're bigger in the stand up stuff.
Speaker 1: Every every man for himself. Neighbors will take care of neighbors.
Speaker 1: It's all good certain neighbors. But I take care of
Speaker 1: I think you know what I mean. I mean, shut
Speaker 1: the blinds and act like we're not home, right right,
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