Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, eight, Episode two. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I got my I got my appointment, and as I
Speaker 1: was making my appointment for this Thursday, I had visions
Speaker 1: of John Stamos dancing in my head. Johns on the
Speaker 1: on the bongoes, Yep, what do you dreamboat? And that's
Speaker 1: been actually powering you to be safeness entire like lockdown,
Speaker 1: wonder the pandemic is not. That's the weird thing because
Speaker 1: I just got my first shot last week, is I don't.
Speaker 1: It's surreal to be like, okay, yeah, but it's not over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm going to Kocomo with it and I'm
Speaker 1: not packing a mask. Bro. Within seconds, got the shot,
Speaker 1: I'm on my way. Peace. Well, Miles, we are thrilled
Speaker 1: to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant,
Speaker 1: the talented, the hilarious Chelsea Webber Smith. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: for being here with you guys. Thank you for having
Speaker 1: me back. Always such a great conversation to be ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I love talking to you guys. It's so
Speaker 1: good talking to you. As we've talked about before, you
Speaker 1: like your work on you know, social moral panics and
Speaker 1: just your kind of pop cultural history. Mind for pop
Speaker 1: culture history is just just injected right into my fucking veins.
Speaker 1: I love it. I will yes, what are you trying
Speaker 1: to get a jumbo you want to or is um
Speaker 1: the other thing? I was gonna see what I was
Speaker 1: thinking to you when Little nas X worked his way
Speaker 1: to hell? Okay, I know that was full blown. It
Speaker 1: was you know, I will say it hasn't been great
Speaker 1: PR for Satanists the last little while here, you know,
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, I would think. I think he has
Speaker 1: a brilliant PR team, which I'm sure he's a huge
Speaker 1: part of because I think they knew what they were
Speaker 1: doing with that and what was going to happen. And
Speaker 1: I appreciate a good PR stunt as much as I
Speaker 1: hate capitalism, I have to say. And that was a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful rollout from start to finish there, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was a Satanic panic, but man, things just the
Speaker 1: last Satanic panic lasted like fifteen years and it's just
Speaker 1: we're turning them over. Oh yeah, we turned them over fast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you for thinking of Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: when Charles Manson died a bunch of people called me,
Speaker 1: are you okay? And I was like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: like superhero killers. How does that feel for you? What? Wait?
Speaker 1: What did you think? I was in the manna? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, thing, Oh his wisdom was so beyond and
Speaker 1: his music, let's not forget poor one out for another
Speaker 1: musical king. That's pretty ridic Did you ever hear those
Speaker 1: weird tapes? Those those are I remember dating somebody who
Speaker 1: put me on put me on, but like played them
Speaker 1: for me for the first time, and I immediately was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, Like why do you have all these MP three's,
Speaker 1: These are not good songs at all? And I was like,
Speaker 1: come on out to this ranch where me and my
Speaker 1: friends hang out, and uh, we can just you know
Speaker 1: about dumpster diving. It's like we love I can't remember it,
Speaker 1: but it's a real happy like let's go dumpster diving,
Speaker 1: you guys. And so he was heavily influenced by and
Speaker 1: even friends with the Beach Boys, and they both branched
Speaker 1: off in their opposite directions and took things. I think
Speaker 1: Kokomo is the most authentically and deeply satanic song in
Speaker 1: American culture because it's just like at that point where
Speaker 1: the hippies and like the sixties culture has completely sold
Speaker 1: its soul to capitalism and just like visions of you know,
Speaker 1: steel drums dancing in our head. Yeah. Well it's so
Speaker 1: interesting because Charles Manson and the Manson family like a
Speaker 1: huge kickoff for the Satanic Panic because originally they were like,
Speaker 1: this is a Satanic ritual, and so it's just like
Speaker 1: and then it was like Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist
Speaker 1: and all of these like satanic movies with all this
Speaker 1: like happenings around them that we're supposed to be like
Speaker 1: like a cross was struck by lightning the night of
Speaker 1: the Premier and you know, so it's just like the
Speaker 1: beginning of this Satanic panic that we're still I mean,
Speaker 1: we've always had a Satanic panic. Yeah, it just it
Speaker 1: just gets big sometimes it puffs up and I should
Speaker 1: say Satanic in the more evil than anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not nice Satanists who are just like challenging, Yeah, shall
Speaker 1: be the whole of the law. Yeah, is satan is?
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like little Nozex is making satan
Speaker 1: cool again. Like yeah, I guess the real Since the
Speaker 1: Satanic Panic only lasted all but fifteen seconds. Has Satan
Speaker 1: lost its appeal in terms of being a lightning rod
Speaker 1: for outrage for conservative people? Like are we in a
Speaker 1: post Satan world now? Like Satan is no longer the
Speaker 1: worst thing? Well, I mean, I guess it depends on
Speaker 1: which Christians we're talking about, like the evangel because there's
Speaker 1: been such an evangelical resurgence, right, So it's like those
Speaker 1: folks are definitely on board with like Satanic forces, you know,
Speaker 1: controlling realism, like all that stuff is still around. But
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, it's lost its power problem
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. But it's just like the
Speaker 1: metal Heads, right, It's like the metal Heads of the eighties.
Speaker 1: It's in the backwards records. It's all the same ship.
Speaker 1: It's just a little bit more so and it's sexier. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to play that video backwards to hum
Speaker 1: but he did kill Satan. Yeah. Did you ever witness
Speaker 1: a wave of comedy like sketch sketch comedy around Manson
Speaker 1: and the Beach Boys working together. I can think of
Speaker 1: like three things like sketch comedy pieces that were about
Speaker 1: Manson and the Beach Boys collaborating, and they were like
Speaker 1: the there was just so stupid but laugh. So it
Speaker 1: was like the old I think you should leave now
Speaker 1: bit where he's like trying to contribute lyrics about like
Speaker 1: the Spooky Day and the guys like trying to record
Speaker 1: a legit song. It's like the Beach Boys working on
Speaker 1: some harmonies. And then like sort of the the game
Speaker 1: of the sketch was like Manson breaking, He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Satan would come in and drip blood down
Speaker 1: on the thing and they're like, we're talking about young
Speaker 1: woman's new car that she's driving to the beach, Like alright, alright,
Speaker 1: yeah stuff and ked of coming back with all kinds
Speaker 1: of weird ship. Oh man, you look sketch is also
Speaker 1: so good that you referenced I think you should Yeah,
Speaker 1: we look at the like battle between within the Beach Boys,
Speaker 1: even accepting Charles Manson, like the over the lyrics. It's
Speaker 1: such a bummer because like as Brian Wilson was trying
Speaker 1: to make Pet sounds and smile, you had Mike Love
Speaker 1: like who was just a like branding dude, like a
Speaker 1: marketer from the start, who was like not man, it's
Speaker 1: all about the chicks and the cars and yeah, and
Speaker 1: then like when Pet sounds didn't like sell a bunch
Speaker 1: of albums out of the gate. He like used that
Speaker 1: to just be like, see what did I tell you? Man?
Speaker 1: You don't you don't know ship leave it to me,
Speaker 1: Mike Love and that that started the whole Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a bummer, but it is a saga. Alright, Chelsea,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the killing of Dante right by the police in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about police rights in Maryland, the police
Speaker 1: Bill of Rights. We're gonna talk about White Lives Matter
Speaker 1: rallies that happened over the weekend. Michigan is peeking, uh,
Speaker 1: and not in the way you want to be peeking
Speaker 1: right now. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: infrastructure stallone. Uh. We might even get into all the
Speaker 1: junk food promotions happening around the world to try and
Speaker 1: get people to get vaccinated. All of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Chelsea, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history that is revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are or what you're up to. Well. Um,
Speaker 1: for American Hysteria, which is the podcast podcast that I host,
Speaker 1: we're doing kind of like a big Urban Legends um
Speaker 1: Extravaganza episode. So I've been searching for like the equivalent
Speaker 1: of urban legends from the past, because we usually like
Speaker 1: to go through history with these topics and um. So
Speaker 1: my search history is urban legends Civil War and there's
Speaker 1: a really good one I want to tell you guys,
Speaker 1: and it is that during a Civil War battle, a
Speaker 1: stray bullet And I believe that, yes, do you know this, yes, well,
Speaker 1: go on, yes, since so as you know, it goes.
Speaker 1: And I believe that I couldn't find I could only
Speaker 1: find this in one place. But it was it was
Speaker 1: a Union bullet that I don't know, a Confederate bull
Speaker 1: I don't know whoever's bullet it was, doesn't matter, but
Speaker 1: it's this crowd um of I believe, a Union soldier
Speaker 1: and then struck, you know, like the plantation owner's daughter
Speaker 1: sitting out on her antebellum porch and struck into her uterus.
Speaker 1: She got pregnant potentially with a Union baby, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know beautiful stuff, right, It's just like so that's
Speaker 1: that's why search history right now and kind of wear
Speaker 1: my I don't know why. I feel like that was
Speaker 1: one of the first Civil War facts I ever learned. Man,
Speaker 1: it makes it more interesting. It was because I remember
Speaker 1: going It was all through my friend. Okay, So my
Speaker 1: friend Ty, who he was like, he's like two years
Speaker 1: older than me. So he was like the kid who
Speaker 1: was like two years of head in school. So he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Civil War, like the what you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's like the Civil War? And
Speaker 1: he had all these books and ship and so I
Speaker 1: was getting like, at ten years old, a twelve year
Speaker 1: old version of the American Civil War based on like
Speaker 1: one Ken Burns tape and like a couple of loose
Speaker 1: books that he got from the library, and then like
Speaker 1: so everything I was like, oh, that's cool. I don't
Speaker 1: know what any of this means. But the only thing
Speaker 1: that stuck was the testical thing. And I was like no.
Speaker 1: And I remember saying that in class and like my
Speaker 1: teacher was like, where did you what wait? Did you
Speaker 1: think it was true or was it just show? I
Speaker 1: got this second hand, yes, from a twelve year old
Speaker 1: talking to me at ten years old, and I was like,
Speaker 1: uh huh uh huh uh huh for that facts, I yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it seems like there's a pretty transparent
Speaker 1: like way that that lie comes about that you would
Speaker 1: be able to be like, oh, yeah, of course there
Speaker 1: was probably a child conceived the old fashioned way, and
Speaker 1: the daughter was like, but that's impossible because I've never
Speaker 1: been with a man, and then you know, right, but
Speaker 1: right exactly. But they I think there's a this sort
Speaker 1: of urban legend, like I remember when I was in
Speaker 1: high school and like on the on the verge of
Speaker 1: having to deal with these sorts of things, not there
Speaker 1: by any means yet, but that like there were a
Speaker 1: lot of stories that dudes would be like, yo, I
Speaker 1: heard this girl got pregnant from like just being in
Speaker 1: like a hot tub with somebody, and so it's just
Speaker 1: like fear of and like you know that uh of
Speaker 1: of how like the conceiving child actually happens, and how
Speaker 1: like easy it is, and like all the you know,
Speaker 1: that's a thing that is like looming over everyone's head.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're very worried about that. So I feel
Speaker 1: like that that makes sense to me that it would
Speaker 1: have lived on in the in the minds of like
Speaker 1: twelve year old boys just like yo, you know, you
Speaker 1: could just like be within a square mile and yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Um that's wild. So Chelsea, when you're like finding out
Speaker 1: about it, now, has it been is it mostly passed
Speaker 1: on as an urban legend or has it passed on
Speaker 1: among people like believing it? Well, I mean are you
Speaker 1: talking about specifically the Civil war thing or the Civil War? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just found it some like weird website, you know,
Speaker 1: and I had never heard it before. So it's fun
Speaker 1: that files you do it because I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: this is so good. Um. But you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's hard to find them. Um, the urban legends
Speaker 1: from like the past, but you can go back and
Speaker 1: like urban legends are just like cautionary tales, right and
Speaker 1: like tell the story of kind of like the dominant culture, right.
Speaker 1: And like I've been thinking about and this is also
Speaker 1: my underrated thing because I just want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but urban legends because like go back to like the
Speaker 1: chain letters of the nineties, which we all remember, right,
Speaker 1: and the urban legends and like the gang initiation one
Speaker 1: was like probably one of the biggest, if not the
Speaker 1: biggest with the um if you're driving and someone has
Speaker 1: their headlights off, you flash your headlights and the gang
Speaker 1: initiation is like then they kill you. Right, So that's
Speaker 1: like do you guys remember this? Yeah, of course yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was like it would like get printed out
Speaker 1: at like schools and the cops, you know. So it
Speaker 1: was just this like chain letter that traveled you know,
Speaker 1: eventually through email, but really it was just and you know,
Speaker 1: of course that's like the nineties is like the super
Speaker 1: predator years, right, and these huge fears of gangs and
Speaker 1: the moral panic around all of that kind of you
Speaker 1: know post eighties like trickle up effect of of all
Speaker 1: that racism from Reagan years and then the Clinton years,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, I just think urban legends are
Speaker 1: really interesting because us you know, a lot of times
Speaker 1: they're for teenagers, but a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: we're seeing in them again with like you know, white
Speaker 1: women talking about how someone was following them in the
Speaker 1: grocery store and trying to sex traffick them. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I remember the ones of
Speaker 1: like you know, it was it's always like women who
Speaker 1: are who should be afraid? Right, and who shouldn't be
Speaker 1: out in the world as much because of all of
Speaker 1: the dangers. You know, there's like the cautionary tale about
Speaker 1: the hook, which everybody knows where you know, the girl
Speaker 1: and the guy are parking, and that's when you know,
Speaker 1: and then there's all the like the hook is the
Speaker 1: phallic symbol, and you know, there's all the like psychotherapy
Speaker 1: babbel stuff about it. So I just think it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it can tell you a lot about um,
Speaker 1: like what we fear at the time, and the stories
Speaker 1: that we're telling about our fears. And you know, you
Speaker 1: can go back to stranger danger time like poison, Halloween
Speaker 1: candy and like the stranger that's out to just murder
Speaker 1: children for no good reason. You know, that's like a
Speaker 1: big you know, like like as if people are just
Speaker 1: like handing out razor blades and apples to children, um,
Speaker 1: which is of course an urban legend. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting what what gets targeted. Like the urban legends trained
Speaker 1: me very well to always check the backseat of my
Speaker 1: car anytime at night during the day. I don't give
Speaker 1: a ship, but or like wipe the mouth of an
Speaker 1: aluminum can because the person who accidentally ate rat shit
Speaker 1: and died because the sodas were stored in a warehouse
Speaker 1: near rat poop. Well that's a true story. That's a
Speaker 1: true story. Model. Yeah, well either way, that had me
Speaker 1: wiping the ship out of every can. Like from twelve,
Speaker 1: aged twelve to seventeen, man, there was a big panic
Speaker 1: around Pepsi's containing syringes. Remember that. It was just like
Speaker 1: and then just a bunch of people were just putting
Speaker 1: syringes in their sodas. So they get me on the cops.
Speaker 1: I don't know what where to God, you go, you
Speaker 1: say you're a cop, and they put a tampon in
Speaker 1: yours sounds like yours were actually like useful urban legends.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these chain letters and urban legends
Speaker 1: were just like racist conspiracy theories going from analog to digital.
Speaker 1: You know, you heard your aunt heard what her other
Speaker 1: fucked up aunt friends that are now telling your mom
Speaker 1: about some ship and then now became the chain letter.
Speaker 1: That was the digital version that was like if you
Speaker 1: don't do this, because this is kind of this group
Speaker 1: you don't know is living or whatever. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the ones that stuck with me were the ones purely
Speaker 1: that felt like the because the headlight thing. I remember
Speaker 1: I think saying to my dad and he was like,
Speaker 1: what the funk are you talking about. He's like, we
Speaker 1: drive through where these gangs are and that's not what
Speaker 1: That's not how these games work. Remember the Knockout game too,
Speaker 1: that was like more modern version. Yeah, yeah, the I
Speaker 1: feel like the lights the headlights one is probably has
Speaker 1: like somebody's to its name because of the fact that
Speaker 1: people are were probably less likely to like blink their
Speaker 1: lights and be like, hey, your lights are you're driving around?
Speaker 1: Like that's such a like counterproductive, unhealthy one to just
Speaker 1: be like, don't don't do that because they might murder
Speaker 1: you for telling them that they're driving around with their
Speaker 1: lights off. I've never even thought about that like actually
Speaker 1: created it. Must have, you're totally right. Yeah. And also
Speaker 1: just driving around with the with the people in the
Speaker 1: back with people thinking people are in the back seat
Speaker 1: or a car might have distracted a few drivers. What
Speaker 1: were you saying, Miles, what's the logic? What's the logic
Speaker 1: of the gang? Though? You're like, Okay, you want to
Speaker 1: be Oh you want to be down, Oh we got
Speaker 1: a hero here, Okay, okay, so you want to is
Speaker 1: that what you're trying to do, trying to get down. Okay,
Speaker 1: so when you're driving being somebody flashes their lights at
Speaker 1: you because you forgot to turn yours on, you killed
Speaker 1: them because we hate helpful people in this day. Really
Speaker 1: usually like if you're in a gang, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: you're not gonna commit violence and risk going to jail,
Speaker 1: unless it's to attack an arrival gang. Like the same end, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the same like when you watch
Speaker 1: Mobster documentary anything that they're always like, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: risk going to jail over civilians. That's like if you're
Speaker 1: really like, there's a whole other world to that where
Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no, enemy combatants are the people
Speaker 1: that are perceived enemy combatants. However, that gets all funked up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, but shout out to the Anti Headlight Gang.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? Chelsea? You know,
Speaker 1: I think like this is like going in a totally
Speaker 1: different direction. But we just re released an episode that
Speaker 1: we did called Monsters, and it's all about sort of
Speaker 1: like the language of the monstrous right, which does go
Speaker 1: back to urban legends too. But I think like the
Speaker 1: uncomplicated heroism of science is what I'm saying, because you know,
Speaker 1: there's like so much to like the theory of evolution
Speaker 1: and Charles Darwin's theory being you know, applied to schools, right,
Speaker 1: which we were always like evolution, yes, like we have
Speaker 1: to teach at in school, but originally, you know, it
Speaker 1: was a justification for eugenics. So right, this war but
Speaker 1: the Scopes trial, which is just the most bonkers thing
Speaker 1: to read about. Um we cover it in our episode
Speaker 1: called um Children's Programming, but it's like it's just such
Speaker 1: a like all out bonanza because it was basically like
Speaker 1: some dude wanting coverage of his town so that the
Speaker 1: town would become more successful and popular, and so he
Speaker 1: like whipped up this plan to have this trial about
Speaker 1: this controversial thing happened and they like got a guy
Speaker 1: to to you know, break the law of teaching evolution,
Speaker 1: and it was just like a total pr stun for
Speaker 1: this town. And you know, we just look back at
Speaker 1: these things like they're so uncomplicated and um, like we're
Speaker 1: all we're all taught that all the time. But I think,
Speaker 1: like talking about how complicated science has been in terms
Speaker 1: of eugenics and these different things because it's so easy
Speaker 1: to talk about like the conservative errors. God, I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry I said errors. The conservative like please God, the
Speaker 1: conservative you know, horrors are also matched by sort of
Speaker 1: a similar progressive white supremacy that's just kind of manifesting
Speaker 1: in a really different way, but it's still the same thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just really really think that uncomplished.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like not an unpopular opinion, but
Speaker 1: just really getting into the complications of our history and
Speaker 1: not seeing our side as heroic is just something I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about all the time, especially now when we
Speaker 1: have of like a culture war, Like we always always
Speaker 1: have this culture war, and it's always like really really complicated,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, I think that's what I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about a lot lately. Yeah, I think in
Speaker 1: America's memory, you know, the World War Two is important
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, but it allows Americans to
Speaker 1: forget that throughout like the first three decades of the
Speaker 1: twentieth century, eugenics was the popular thing with progressives, like
Speaker 1: that was like the cool the cool thing that people
Speaker 1: coming out of like Ivy League schools believed, and I
Speaker 1: thought was like a a a good idea or like
Speaker 1: progressive to help like black people through what you've learned
Speaker 1: about eugenics, like the benign version, Like in this way,
Speaker 1: we can't help the negro roles their potential. Then it's
Speaker 1: like a really big white saviorism moment. I think it
Speaker 1: starts to really like go from there. Yeah, because you've
Speaker 1: turned your racism into saviorism. And now it's like, no,
Speaker 1: this feels way better than we're like angry. We're like
Speaker 1: we're just saying, Oh, we're just we're just doing science,
Speaker 1: you know, We're just like just measuring their brain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just like looking at a skull shape and determining
Speaker 1: someone's human. You know, the reason you're stealing is because
Speaker 1: of the distance between the tip of your nose and
Speaker 1: the peak of your brow ridge. It's actually not because
Speaker 1: of utter lack of options available to you where you live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's that damn measurement. We can't
Speaker 1: do anything about it. It's just the way it is,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's but if we identify these people,
Speaker 1: then we can start corralling them together and then weeding
Speaker 1: that out. Wow does that sound? Yeah? And then and
Speaker 1: then we act like we were just complete and utter
Speaker 1: heroes of World War Two and we didn't inspire like
Speaker 1: a great deal of that thinking and so and both sides.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just there's no innocent party in the past.
Speaker 1: And it's because it's like the latest controversy, global controversy
Speaker 1: allows every nation to forget what happened right before that.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, World War to forget about whatever happened,
Speaker 1: don't forget get all that we beat the Nazis. Huh,
Speaker 1: that was great. And then you're coasting off of that
Speaker 1: until the next thing, and then other countries can now
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, well we did that, so now
Speaker 1: we can kind of forget about everything because of that
Speaker 1: weird goal post we have in our history. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder how much guilt is tied to how like powerful
Speaker 1: a methos becomes, because another thing that like the knowledge
Speaker 1: that there's a lie there. I feel like I'm I
Speaker 1: talk a lot on this show about how like white
Speaker 1: supremacy there, like in a lot of cases there is
Speaker 1: the knowledge that it's wrong, and like that powers a
Speaker 1: lot of it, like sort of that cognitive dissonance and
Speaker 1: like them knowing that they're lying and knowing that their
Speaker 1: beliefs are completely full of ship like powers, a lot
Speaker 1: of the hatred and like anger and just the energy.
Speaker 1: And like with World War Two, you have like heading
Speaker 1: into it, the fact that America and like America's business
Speaker 1: leaders were really into eugenics, and then coming out of it,
Speaker 1: like we had the Cold War, and that was somewhat
Speaker 1: convenient because it was allowed us to completely paper over
Speaker 1: the fact that like Russia essentially won World War Two
Speaker 1: for the Allies like they were the fun don't know, man,
Speaker 1: you see how poor they look. It's like what, no,
Speaker 1: do you know what happened? Do you know what happened
Speaker 1: when the Germans went okay? Whatever? Yeah, when you just
Speaker 1: look at the numbers of like people uh Nazis killed
Speaker 1: and the number of lives lost on on Russia versus
Speaker 1: the United States, it's like not not even comparable. And
Speaker 1: I do feel like maybe that's where like some of
Speaker 1: the Cold War energy comes from, is knowing that there's
Speaker 1: that lie there and like wanting to be able to
Speaker 1: perpetuate it. Right. Stalin always like smirking at the presidents
Speaker 1: like alright, you know, I'm letna sell you something that's
Speaker 1: not true, man, Like creet this guy if I got
Speaker 1: to see him again, and he starts ribbing me about
Speaker 1: World War two. I'm gonna we're gonna have to bomb them.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back and so. On Sunday afternoon,
Speaker 1: reportedly unarmed twenty year old man named Dante Wright was
Speaker 1: stopped by police for what he believed at the time,
Speaker 1: And we don't know specifics, but he called his mom
Speaker 1: right away and said that he was being stopped because
Speaker 1: he has an air freshener on his rear view mirror,
Speaker 1: which apparently is a law in Minnesota that is constantly
Speaker 1: you used to just allow the police to stop whoever
Speaker 1: the funk they want, because you know, shitty pretext for
Speaker 1: detaining somebody. Huh. So, you know, first of all, it
Speaker 1: just speaks volumes that he felt the need to call
Speaker 1: his mom well while he was being pulled over, and
Speaker 1: now we have video of what happened during the stop
Speaker 1: they were trying to arrest him. He got back in
Speaker 1: his car, and so the officer and a second officer
Speaker 1: like ran up and she grabbed a gun from the
Speaker 1: first officer's waist, yelled taser taser and then fatally shot
Speaker 1: him and he speeds off and like you literally hear
Speaker 1: saying I shot him shit, and the other cops like
Speaker 1: have this like response like odd damn. And then after
Speaker 1: the fact, his mom was at the scene of you
Speaker 1: know where he where his dead body was all day
Speaker 1: while the police just left him there on the avement.
Speaker 1: She just kept asking them to pick his body up
Speaker 1: off the ground. They wouldn't do it. They knew what happened,
Speaker 1: they knew who was to blame. And like, I can't
Speaker 1: conceive of, first of all, what his mom was going through,
Speaker 1: but the second ball, like what was going through their
Speaker 1: head when they're you know, somebody that they've unlawfully killed
Speaker 1: is lying there and they're just leaving him there, you know,
Speaker 1: because they gotta fucking make up a story, right this.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I don't know. I mean the reading
Speaker 1: that he called his mother seems very normal. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of black people now there there's you have
Speaker 1: macros for your phone to do a couple of things
Speaker 1: on your phone and immediately go live with whatever is
Speaker 1: happening to you, to try and create some kind of
Speaker 1: living document, recording, accountability record for you. In the unfortunately,
Speaker 1: possible scenario in which a police officer is going to
Speaker 1: become violent and possibly end your life. And yeah, you
Speaker 1: you look at this. He has a little baby child,
Speaker 1: Dante Jr. And I don't know it makes this is this,
Speaker 1: This is never gonna end, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: This is never gonna end. Doesn't matter how many fucking
Speaker 1: black tiles people post on Instagram and how many companies
Speaker 1: are like we're listening, man, that doesn't matter, Like unless
Speaker 1: legislators are listening, Um, it doesn't matter. That doesn't even matter. Like, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to be the people that are
Speaker 1: going to have to guarantee these outcomes for each other
Speaker 1: through actual pressure campaigns, to actually trying to find other
Speaker 1: ways to keep our community safe, because this pack of
Speaker 1: fucking wild assholes with guns has proven time and again
Speaker 1: that they can't even they don't even know the difference
Speaker 1: between a gun and a taser now because they're whatever,
Speaker 1: they're racist. Fight or flight response goes off by being
Speaker 1: in the presence of a black body or a person
Speaker 1: of color, or or on someone who is needs support,
Speaker 1: whether that's for their mental health or whatever. This is
Speaker 1: this ship just isn't it. And it's just going to
Speaker 1: be the same outcomes over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and you're just heartbreaks for a mother who can't even
Speaker 1: who has to beg for the dignity of the corpse
Speaker 1: of her child to be removed or at least covered.
Speaker 1: Like it's just all fun. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: the Yeah, it's constant, it's constant, and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's like all for all the ship that will come
Speaker 1: out of this, unfortunately, and that that inspires more people
Speaker 1: to have to take to the streets to voice their
Speaker 1: absolute disapproval and heartbreak over this happening. And then queue
Speaker 1: the fucking goon squads who are you know, and like
Speaker 1: coming in with cries please please remain peaceful, and then
Speaker 1: and then shooting, you know, rubber bullets and flash bangs,
Speaker 1: and the response is just completely different than the response
Speaker 1: at the Capitol. I mean, I know that's cliche to say,
Speaker 1: but it's just like they just always you know, I've
Speaker 1: been to enough protests that feeling when they all roll
Speaker 1: out of their fucking vans, look, you know, and their
Speaker 1: storm troopers ship is like, I don't know, and you know,
Speaker 1: the gathering is so small, you know, and compared to
Speaker 1: the response, and it's just it's always the same, like
Speaker 1: you said, and not if it's always the same too, right,
Speaker 1: And I just hope at some point, like people, if
Speaker 1: you're just seeing this pattern over and over, like you know,
Speaker 1: most allies and people of color knew what time it
Speaker 1: was from the beginning. Yeah, some more people are starting
Speaker 1: to understand, like, oh, right, there is a lot of
Speaker 1: racial inequality, and like whatever, if it took you this long, fine,
Speaker 1: at least you've figured it out. But please keep figuring
Speaker 1: it out because it can just be like, oh, that sucks,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna keep seeing this, and maybe the pattern
Speaker 1: will set in for a group of people who are
Speaker 1: not as moved by this kind of ship to see, oh,
Speaker 1: every time they don't give a funk about what happens,
Speaker 1: they will kill somebody, and then they're gonna knuckle up
Speaker 1: and say, what the funk are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 1: Gonna do ship and set the funk back down and
Speaker 1: let us kill people undisturbed and carry on with what
Speaker 1: we do as police. That's the that's the cycle, every
Speaker 1: fucking time. And so I think for some people it's
Speaker 1: starting to get old. But I think but it hasn't again,
Speaker 1: like so many things in this country were so fucking
Speaker 1: like we still haven't receive tipping points where enough you
Speaker 1: were like, oh, Mike, this is it's the same ship
Speaker 1: every time. It's the same ship every time, and we're
Speaker 1: not doing anything about it, and also demanding that the
Speaker 1: fucking people that represent us in government also are on
Speaker 1: the same page rather than like, oh, Mike, I hear
Speaker 1: you so bad. It's so bad. I actually just watched
Speaker 1: Watchmen this weekend to try and get a little more understanding,
Speaker 1: and I see that we shouldn't mess with drugs that
Speaker 1: alter our sense of memory. That was the biggest thing
Speaker 1: I got or that series. But yeah, like it's just
Speaker 1: the human mind is a drug that alters the sense
Speaker 1: of memory. We didn't love do it. And I think
Speaker 1: it's important too that we like we don't get to
Speaker 1: the point where we're like awokened or whatever and then
Speaker 1: suddenly we're just the good guys speaking of white people,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and like it's the same thing,
Speaker 1: like you become progressive and you just got to keep,
Speaker 1: you know, keep going with the ways that you're contributing
Speaker 1: to this situation too. And uh, I think it's easy
Speaker 1: to just and I think it's important to to to
Speaker 1: be really engaged in the particular fight, just like in
Speaker 1: a simple way. Right, But then if you forget like
Speaker 1: the fact that you have accountability in America as well,
Speaker 1: no matter how liberal or how leftist you are as
Speaker 1: a white person, and I think that that's like something
Speaker 1: that we can easily forget and is just as important
Speaker 1: for like an actual move forward, right rather than some
Speaker 1: another way, for like a corporation or a person to
Speaker 1: put up a black square and be done with it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think you know a white people, well,
Speaker 1: you get to be You've got to be passive for
Speaker 1: a really long time in this country and still a
Speaker 1: uh experience progress on some level. Um, you can no
Speaker 1: longer be passive. I'm sorry, it's just that's just how
Speaker 1: it is. People of color and other press people aren't
Speaker 1: don't have the the privilege to be passive like we
Speaker 1: have to be on all the time. We're in survival
Speaker 1: mode to some degree, whether we like it or not,
Speaker 1: to the point that a lot of people of color
Speaker 1: have a lot of survivals survivors guilt when they get
Speaker 1: to places where they can relax because they only know
Speaker 1: one mode, which is just to have your head on
Speaker 1: a swivel. Something. This ship, this country is not for me.
Speaker 1: It's telling me this actively, so I have to operate
Speaker 1: within that. You can't be passive in a mindset like that,
Speaker 1: and in fact, and the people who are looking to
Speaker 1: create progress have to be passive as well, because progress
Speaker 1: itself is not a passive act. It's about being active, proactive.
Speaker 1: That's the only way you can bring about progress. If
Speaker 1: you are passive and you're just saying, I, well, look,
Speaker 1: I get that the cops are yeah, a cab, you know,
Speaker 1: the cops fucking suck, and like, it's so unfair what
Speaker 1: happens to people in this country. That's passive. You just
Speaker 1: merely acknowledging it is too passive an act and it's
Speaker 1: not going to bring the progress around. That's where you
Speaker 1: can now weaponize your whiteness for good and really start
Speaker 1: thinking of how you can use your influence with And
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm gonna funk it. I'll keep saying this
Speaker 1: every eight six eight months if I have to figure
Speaker 1: out how the fuck you can improve ship from wherever
Speaker 1: you're at. It doesn't no one's asking anybody to change
Speaker 1: the world out the gate. But certainly don't sit back
Speaker 1: and if somebody, if you have you know, family later
Speaker 1: on in life, say what did you during this time,
Speaker 1: don't say, well, I knew it was bad, be able
Speaker 1: to point to some ship, even if it was like,
Speaker 1: oh I I checked in on these families, I gave
Speaker 1: to these groups. I volunteered my time. I really tried
Speaker 1: to actually decolonize my own mind of all the propaganda
Speaker 1: and ship I've been fed through the media to try
Speaker 1: and arrive. I have have had a new sense of awareness
Speaker 1: that I can find a way to be productive and
Speaker 1: actually contribute to this thing that I'm saying I want,
Speaker 1: which is progress. Because if you're passive right now and
Speaker 1: you're just retweeting ship, that ain't enough, Like think about
Speaker 1: the energy you can actually put into it. Think of
Speaker 1: the energy you can you can dedicate to this one.
Speaker 1: And if it's if it's daunting, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: what you said, is like nobody's expecting to change the
Speaker 1: world right off the gate. And I think so many
Speaker 1: like so many of us are raised to think like
Speaker 1: I need to make this like massive impact or I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do anything, almost as like an ego
Speaker 1: trip kind of thing, you know, instead of just being
Speaker 1: like like, I like to think of it in a
Speaker 1: nice way where like, you know, there's like a some
Speaker 1: sort of a meter in in life, and you can
Speaker 1: just tip it just like the tiniest bit in the
Speaker 1: direction you want, right, and that's great, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think, just don't get paralyzed by this daunting thing
Speaker 1: and just like go help somebody on your block or
Speaker 1: just do anything, you know exactly. And I think the
Speaker 1: idea that one person or a finite number of people
Speaker 1: are going to solve of it is the trick of
Speaker 1: white supremacy to be like, well, fuck, I mean I can't,
Speaker 1: I just can't do and get my neighbors. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna work like that, No, of course not. But that's
Speaker 1: to your point. If every if a ton of people
Speaker 1: start making a lot of little changes, ship will begin differently,
Speaker 1: even if that's like checking people in your friend group
Speaker 1: family to be like, don't fucking first of all, the
Speaker 1: ship that you're saying is racist, it's destructive, and you
Speaker 1: actually need to think about how you can remedy that
Speaker 1: or whatever, or how you can bring up people in
Speaker 1: your workplace or community and things like that. But if
Speaker 1: everyone just little subtle ship or fucking not being a
Speaker 1: bystander and a hate crime, or even recording police that
Speaker 1: you think are using excessive force on somebody to record it.
Speaker 1: Say I will hey, I saw that ship, I will
Speaker 1: tell I will testify in a court to say, I
Speaker 1: saw what the funk they did to you? That's fucked up.
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever. I don't give a fuck because that's wrong.
Speaker 1: We just need to adopt that my instep more. But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's just too comfortable to be passive, and too many
Speaker 1: people their lives can remain similar by being passive. So
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of incentive for people to get active.
Speaker 1: But but that's the thing you hope to connect with.
Speaker 1: If you see stories like this and they break your heart,
Speaker 1: then put some energy into it. Put some energy into it,
Speaker 1: because that will you you actually will be able to
Speaker 1: contribute to something larger. And again, no one's asking whoever
Speaker 1: is listening now to solve it, but ship, put some
Speaker 1: energy into it, just some Yeah, we're almost asking you
Speaker 1: not to solve it, right, like, just so that you
Speaker 1: can just and everybody has a skill set that they
Speaker 1: can work with, you know, like we kind of there's
Speaker 1: not one way to do something. There's not one way
Speaker 1: to you know, affect change, And I just I do
Speaker 1: I think, I just wish we could all just do
Speaker 1: a small thing and be humble. Yeah, you know yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think, don't again, don't let racism system make
Speaker 1: oppression like this fool you into thinking nothing can be
Speaker 1: done about it, because that's how it fucking carries on.
Speaker 1: How this fucking whole system carries on. Is this It
Speaker 1: breaks you down to the point like we're seeing, what
Speaker 1: the funk am I gonna do? Me? What am I
Speaker 1: gonna What am I gonna do a black and Asian
Speaker 1: man gonna do to NonStop anti Asian violence, NonStop black
Speaker 1: people being killed? What the fund can I do? But
Speaker 1: I don't have that mindset. My mindset is to get
Speaker 1: on this mic. And if I can say some ship
Speaker 1: to make people think a certain way, then funk it
Speaker 1: all do that. If I can check other people in
Speaker 1: my life and say, yo, I gotta tell you something,
Speaker 1: you should actually this, the way you speak is not
Speaker 1: good you need to actually think about, then I'll do that.
Speaker 1: If I have to donate money, I'll do that if
Speaker 1: I want to. But just it's no one's Look, not
Speaker 1: everyone has the same resources and access to things, but
Speaker 1: we all have access to our empathy and access to
Speaker 1: just this the human decency that we can extend to
Speaker 1: other people in whatever way that is. And I think
Speaker 1: that just needs to be more normal and encouraged, absolutely
Speaker 1: without it being tied to like I'm doing this to
Speaker 1: solve systemic white supremacy, like systemic white supremacy. No, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this to see somebody and say I'm gonna help,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help, I'm gonna help. I'm gonna help. If
Speaker 1: someone needs help, I can help. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: always be in the binary of black or white either,
Speaker 1: because that's another pitfall this country falls into, of just
Speaker 1: thinking that the only things that are going on are
Speaker 1: between black and white people and not just observed and
Speaker 1: that it's not a class issue since the beginning to
Speaker 1: and just it sucks actually showing like that they're one
Speaker 1: of the details as those falling the story this morning.
Speaker 1: Uh like they had actual activists there at the press
Speaker 1: conference asking questions of the police chief, um, and the
Speaker 1: police chief, you know some of the things they did
Speaker 1: when when people protested outside of the precinct last night,
Speaker 1: they turned the lights off everywhere so they could just start,
Speaker 1: you know, presumably start like wailing on people. And the
Speaker 1: person was able to be like, I've been at all
Speaker 1: all the protests and I've never seen anything like that,
Speaker 1: And and the chief didn't have he was like they
Speaker 1: were throwing, they were throwing pop cans, they were throwing.
Speaker 1: He kept like stumbling over bricks, so it seemed like
Speaker 1: he wanted to say bricks but like couldn't actually like
Speaker 1: back it up. But it's actually Brat's dolls. But that's
Speaker 1: something that I'm definitely just personally, I feel like getting
Speaker 1: physically on the ground, uh is something that I haven't
Speaker 1: been doing to this point that I want to start
Speaker 1: doing because I think just in general, like the police
Speaker 1: response to any question of their authority, it just makes
Speaker 1: like the way they respond to that just makes it
Speaker 1: so clear. And I think the more people that we
Speaker 1: can get peacefully protesting, the more it's going to be
Speaker 1: stark and clear to people that like when they're facing
Speaker 1: violent police officers who are you know, shooting at them
Speaker 1: and uh, tear gassing them for just you know, exercising
Speaker 1: their right, Like, Yeah, it's a powerful experience when you're
Speaker 1: you go somewhere too, you know, for for the defense
Speaker 1: of people, and then you're met with just absurd violence.
Speaker 1: It very quickly you will begin to see how where
Speaker 1: the power lies and like what the end goals are
Speaker 1: for people, because it's like, oh, you're here to advocate
Speaker 1: for the week. Well, we're here to push the week around. Uh,
Speaker 1: shows you something. And I think if the more people
Speaker 1: can begin distilling those lessons into seeing like what all
Speaker 1: of this means in like the larger scale, you know,
Speaker 1: will hopefully help us move towards like collectively fixing our future.
Speaker 1: Because this was in Minnesota, Chovin's uh defense attorney Chalvin
Speaker 1: whatever the fund isn't it? Derek Childon, his defense attorney,
Speaker 1: already trying to use this as a pretext to have
Speaker 1: the jury like sequestered and presumably delay the trial. But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: because of people like his client, you would just never
Speaker 1: have a trial if you had to wait every time
Speaker 1: police officer murdered someone unjustly. So yeah, hopefully it seems
Speaker 1: like the judge saw through that and hopefully continues to Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I think it's that's that there's
Speaker 1: no that that that didn't create any tampering of the jury.
Speaker 1: I think you just said, like the news goes on.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't sequester people from reality, It's right,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that is the news going on. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk briefly related subject to what's happening in Maryland. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the cops out here saying, don't know that rates
Speaker 1: the police Bill of Rates, I thought we had that
Speaker 1: fucking forty was a seventy any three? So Maryland, basically
Speaker 1: they've just began the official skull fucking and canceling of
Speaker 1: the police Bill of Rights, which dates back to nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, when a group of cops basically began crying
Speaker 1: to politicians over how they were being poorly treated by
Speaker 1: like police commanders, that we're doing things like discipline them
Speaker 1: for fucking up. And I think this must have been
Speaker 1: an arrow when there was like I guess, like the
Speaker 1: three cops that still were like trying to be like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't do that. We're like kind of what the
Speaker 1: media is trying to show us to be of cops.
Speaker 1: And then this new batches like, now we don't funk
Speaker 1: with this. So this Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights
Speaker 1: was a first in the nation law that basically created
Speaker 1: these workplace protections for cops that were like that ushered
Speaker 1: in this era of absolute fuckory. We're saying, like including
Speaker 1: giving officers formal waiting period before they had to cooperate
Speaker 1: with an internal investigation, uh, scrubbing records of complaints brought
Speaker 1: against officers after a certain period if you're if you're
Speaker 1: a good boy, then nope, it's by and ensuring that
Speaker 1: only police officers, not civilians, could investigate them. So this
Speaker 1: is essentially the This is when they put their protective
Speaker 1: blankie over them. Nix and his president at this time
Speaker 1: and screaming about law and order, and I think the
Speaker 1: idea or the feeling in the country was that like
Speaker 1: crime was going up because people weren't regularly getting the
Speaker 1: ship kicked out of them by police, not because of
Speaker 1: again lack of opportunity or resources in her that's it's
Speaker 1: it's the lack of beatings and bludgeonings and shootings of
Speaker 1: innocent people that is creating the crime. So this basically
Speaker 1: went ushered in this new era. And yes, the fact
Speaker 1: that Maryland is now getting around to repealing this, you know,
Speaker 1: Larry Hogan who's the governor tried to repeal it, tried
Speaker 1: to veto it, but oh they had a they've were
Speaker 1: able to override the governor's veto to get the ship going.
Speaker 1: And Governor Hogan had to say, quote, the original intent
Speaker 1: had been overtaken by political agendas that do not serve
Speaker 1: the public safety needs of the citizens of Maryland. He
Speaker 1: said the changes would quote further erode police morale, community relationships,
Speaker 1: and public confidence. Oh the fucking same state that where
Speaker 1: Freddie Gray's spine was severed mysteriously and we still have
Speaker 1: no accountability for his death. That it wasn't that that's
Speaker 1: gonna you know, funk up? The community relationships or public
Speaker 1: confidence are what and what the fund is police morale?
Speaker 1: How quickly they can get an erection at the thought
Speaker 1: of murdering a black person, Like what the funk is that?
Speaker 1: I don't this ship is like so the dog whistles
Speaker 1: are so bad now, like it can only mean one thing.
Speaker 1: This guy from the fucking popo frat Angelo Consoli, He says,
Speaker 1: the reality is they have reinvented policing in the state
Speaker 1: of Maryland. They're going to make it tougher for the
Speaker 1: police to police. There's reform, and this went beyond reform.
Speaker 1: What does that mean for the police to police if
Speaker 1: the just rough people up with impunity and kill people.
Speaker 1: So if the things you're taking away are you know,
Speaker 1: this ability, because I'm sorry, they could they I think
Speaker 1: at its longest point, you could have a five day
Speaker 1: period where you didn't have to talk to investigators if
Speaker 1: some ship went down. That's a lot of time to
Speaker 1: figure out what your improv group is going to do
Speaker 1: on stage. You know, when you have to lie about
Speaker 1: what the funk happened. That's what ship like that does.
Speaker 1: And even when Freddie Gray died, the mayor was like,
Speaker 1: it's this police bill of rights. Unfortunately, that makes this
Speaker 1: impossible to really get any kind of accountability here. So
Speaker 1: I guess when you have things like mandating body cameras,
Speaker 1: allowing for citizen oversight, and ending no knock warrants, those
Speaker 1: are the things that make policing hard to do. Accountability, accountability,
Speaker 1: So what is policing exactly based on, like, let's follow this,
Speaker 1: what does that mean that? Because again, all you're saying is, hey,
Speaker 1: all you know, we gotta funk, we gotta suck these
Speaker 1: people up. That's how that's what the cops are. And
Speaker 1: if we can't funk them up, then what the funk
Speaker 1: are we doing here? I don't know, Maybe you should
Speaker 1: go maybe this isn't this isn't for you, right for
Speaker 1: all the any police officer who's morale this like dampens,
Speaker 1: maybe they should not be. Maybe that that should maybe
Speaker 1: they should be so down in the dumps that they
Speaker 1: find a new line of work that doesn't allow them to,
Speaker 1: you know, kill people with impunity. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like really important to think about ninety three, you know,
Speaker 1: like you gave context. But that's like right after the
Speaker 1: Black Panthers, right, And that's like right after Fred Hampton
Speaker 1: was killed by like a clearly deeply, deeply illegal but
Speaker 1: completely protected murder, like next level murder, right, like unreal
Speaker 1: type of murder, not any murder even know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean though, like the excessive force that is
Speaker 1: it was just a hit. It was it was an assassin,
Speaker 1: like not even an assassination that's like two and it
Speaker 1: was like a hit. Like anybody who hasn't seen Judas
Speaker 1: on the Black Missile or it doesn't know the story,
Speaker 1: like he's drugged in his bed and they walk in
Speaker 1: and assassinate him like point like us just spray of
Speaker 1: so many like so many to the point it wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't merely an assassination would maybe be like how
Speaker 1: Putin does it where you show up strangled or you
Speaker 1: fell out of a building or yeah, one shot to
Speaker 1: the head or something like that, not riddled with bullets.
Speaker 1: But they that's like the Catharsis of white supremacy. He
Speaker 1: was drugged the night before by an FBI informant. That's
Speaker 1: why he was drugged in his bed and was still
Speaker 1: asleep after like being shot a number of times, and
Speaker 1: after there were hundreds of bullets fired into his apartment
Speaker 1: and then the police walked in and shot him in
Speaker 1: the head point blank, after after all the shooting was done,
Speaker 1: and it was defensive right in the end, because some
Speaker 1: one of the black panthers, like the security, his weapon discharged,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of argument that that
Speaker 1: was not that that was a non intentional shot, right
Speaker 1: and so and then it's also the weather underground time
Speaker 1: to write, which is a complicated topic, but there's just
Speaker 1: the early seventies are so much kind of like right now,
Speaker 1: and so I don't think I think it's really interesting
Speaker 1: that that bill is coming up at this moment, like
Speaker 1: kind of a similar culture war. But I think now
Speaker 1: the opinion is less on the side of like, oh no,
Speaker 1: what what are we going to do? And now everybody's
Speaker 1: like the white people are joining the black panthers and ships,
Speaker 1: So I don't see the other underground was I guess right,
Speaker 1: like that's what we'll see what you know, how how
Speaker 1: much of a difference that makes, because yeah, what is
Speaker 1: this forty seven years? Forty eight years you know, for
Speaker 1: that's generations of people being tormented with these laws. And
Speaker 1: we'll see if this this momentum can continue. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we still do have, unfortunately, this huge existance to like
Speaker 1: this idea of like reimagining what policing is, because even
Speaker 1: without imagining, we're observing what it is and it's completely
Speaker 1: fucked up and nonsensical. Yeah, so yeah, we have to say,
Speaker 1: like this is dangerous. It's like no, but that's because
Speaker 1: you know what, that's because you're not experiencing the police
Speaker 1: like other people are, so and for you, the police
Speaker 1: means a completely different thing. Yeah, you're not being stopped
Speaker 1: for having a something hang from your dashboard, which isn't
Speaker 1: even because they're an interest in that. They just go, huh,
Speaker 1: there's a high chance that this might end with something.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can arrest this person, maybe I can funk
Speaker 1: their day up, and should if if there, if I'm
Speaker 1: lucky enough, if I can get violent, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take another quick break and we'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back and you know, just in kind of staying
Speaker 1: up to date on where we're at with COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: in the United States, it feels like nationally there's like
Speaker 1: this vaccine optimism waxing. People are starting to feel a
Speaker 1: new set of circumstances coming. But then there are states
Speaker 1: that are seeing their numbers hit new highs, like Michigan
Speaker 1: is closing on a new high for new cases, which
Speaker 1: has led the CDC to suggest that they closed back
Speaker 1: down to levels that they were at like last spring
Speaker 1: and over the summer, when you know, everybody was in
Speaker 1: full lockdown. So it'll just be interesting to see, like
Speaker 1: how how much harder it is to like pull off
Speaker 1: a a shutdown locally when like the rest of the
Speaker 1: country is, you know, when when you don't have I
Speaker 1: think the most important thing we found from from the
Speaker 1: pandemic is those TV ads letting us know that we're
Speaker 1: not alone and now more than ever, uh they understand yeah,
Speaker 1: now more than ever each ship. But yeah, it'll be
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're going to have to be like
Speaker 1: localized responses that aren't necessarily matched by the rest of
Speaker 1: the country, and we'll we'll see how how that goes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think maybe we're moving into the little
Speaker 1: fires everywhere yea, which is kind of what I think
Speaker 1: these other waves are going to kind of look like,
Speaker 1: depending on you know, Yeah, I don't know. Man, It's
Speaker 1: like it's wild to see that graph and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: well that other Oh it is the worst time ever
Speaker 1: is when the last peak was, and it's mirroring that,
Speaker 1: which is super frightening. Yeah. Unfortunately, uh, the deaths are
Speaker 1: not peaking anymore because the doctors are getting better and
Speaker 1: better at treating people who come in with COVID, but
Speaker 1: still it's killing people like people are dying. So it's
Speaker 1: it is a problem, and I mean, god, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't impact people's enthusiasm to enter healthcare
Speaker 1: or medicine because you talk about you want to talk
Speaker 1: about morale being fucking low fun. The police working in
Speaker 1: medicine right now couldn't be more of a grim proposition
Speaker 1: for something. Yeah, I've heard of physicians taking their own
Speaker 1: life pretty recently than that. It seems like it's kind
Speaker 1: of endemic right now. I mean, yeah, to think like
Speaker 1: when you get into something to help people and then
Speaker 1: your hands are tied by the speed of medicine, how
Speaker 1: a government is trying to protect people or not protect
Speaker 1: actually encourage people to end up we're at your place
Speaker 1: of work being confused and sick and not having the
Speaker 1: wherewithal to be able to help them. Like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's just it's yeah, I'm hoping we're able to
Speaker 1: really shout out all the essential workers after this, like
Speaker 1: truly true, But it doesn't. It feels like we're so
Speaker 1: quick to move on. Like the amount of ship I see,
Speaker 1: like on the Apple News app, the things that will
Speaker 1: will put at the top, it's like signs that things
Speaker 1: are getting back to normal. But it's always the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal that is doing that ship. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: no one fucking asked you, Corporo Comrag, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: just shut up and make with your Wall Street tips
Speaker 1: rather than all this stuff. It's like everything's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: Here's some companies that are doing the right thing right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: please please don't don't start seeding the environment with these stories.
Speaker 1: That would be like you know that that springtime is
Speaker 1: here and it's time to cast away all our concerns
Speaker 1: because beginning to happen very quickly. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: briefly about infrastructure. Yeah, it'd be nice to have some
Speaker 1: yeah here, alright, moving on, Yeah, that's it. That's really
Speaker 1: my take, just my idea. I just read this thing
Speaker 1: about France and I was like, it must be nice.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like a lot of nations are,
Speaker 1: especially America, takes its sweet fucking time trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to combat CEO two emissions. There's like little
Speaker 1: examples of like just small things you can do to
Speaker 1: have positive outcomes, Like in France, Um, you know, when
Speaker 1: they're not busy in acting just horrifically islamophobic, he job
Speaker 1: laws and you know, robbing people of agency because that's
Speaker 1: just not how we get down here. Uh, they are
Speaker 1: really trying to figure out like a practical way to
Speaker 1: combat emissions. And not that I'm just saying like, oh yes,
Speaker 1: shout out to them. But there's just an example, right
Speaker 1: that they have been trying to re configure in internal
Speaker 1: domestic flights with by saying if there is a flight,
Speaker 1: an internal domestic flight that can be covered by train
Speaker 1: in under two and a half hours, we ain't doing
Speaker 1: that flight anymore. We're just not doing it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense because then you can take a fucking train
Speaker 1: because on average the plane has amidst seventy seven times
Speaker 1: more CEO to per passenger than the train. So that's
Speaker 1: like a little thing you can do. Oh okay, it's
Speaker 1: so wonderful, but we already got like things where like
Speaker 1: Republicans are like, oh, giving money to amtrack, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what my first thought was, Like, wait, so the
Speaker 1: government's telling them to do that and they're listening without
Speaker 1: like a enormous political backlash on like a bunch of
Speaker 1: militia people like yeah, they also do ship like be
Speaker 1: like oh, Air France, you need some money. Okay, well
Speaker 1: guess who owns part of that now the government because
Speaker 1: you needed some bailout money. We're here. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: my friend. Though, It's like, well, if you were really thinking,
Speaker 1: imagine you were thinking like a businessman, if another business
Speaker 1: person came up and you say, hey, let me get along,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, okay, give me a stake in your
Speaker 1: fucking company. That's your fucking head that come up with
Speaker 1: that ownership scheme. It's not like the U. S. Government
Speaker 1: hasn't bailed out the airlines like constantly. It's just they
Speaker 1: know bad PR to nationalism. I mean exactly, that's all
Speaker 1: it is, is bad pr. It's actually good policy, and
Speaker 1: it makes for better out comes by not allowing these
Speaker 1: greedy funks to do whatever the funk they want. So anyway,
Speaker 1: along those lines, it's just saying it's stuff like this
Speaker 1: that the U. S should be thinking about more aggressively.
Speaker 1: Because the other thing is like, as much as they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go electric, all electric everything, it's gonna be electric.
Speaker 1: Avenue was still mainstream electrical parade that when you see
Speaker 1: our fleets coming down the street, okay, fine, but that's
Speaker 1: not Electric cars alone will not solve this crisis. Like,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider the carbon footprint for the production
Speaker 1: and transport of electric vehicles, it's not it's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: electric cycling is actually going to have to factor in
Speaker 1: on some level for us to really cut down on emissions.
Speaker 1: And I was just reading this other piece, especially looking
Speaker 1: at things happening in Europe as a result of pandemic,
Speaker 1: Like I think overall, like interest in cycling has gotten
Speaker 1: up in this country. Myself included, like I use a
Speaker 1: bike way more than I used to. But just looking
Speaker 1: at simple things like this. In this study, they found
Speaker 1: urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for just
Speaker 1: one trip per day reduced their have been footprint by
Speaker 1: about a half ton of c O two over the
Speaker 1: course of a year. And that's essentially the same as
Speaker 1: the equivalent emissions from a one way flight from London
Speaker 1: to New York. So and if just one in five
Speaker 1: urban residents permanently changed our travel behavior in this way
Speaker 1: over the next few years, it could cut emissions of
Speaker 1: car travel too close to eight percent, eight percent in
Speaker 1: Europe specifically in this analysis. So like just build the bike.
Speaker 1: Like you see places that have bike lanes and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, why wouldn't bike there because it's safe. L
Speaker 1: A is like fucking mad Max, Like you gotta be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope you're built to ride a bike in the
Speaker 1: in these streets because nobody's saving you. It's just different
Speaker 1: levels of encouragement. I think we need them. There used
Speaker 1: to be a thing at like when I worked for
Speaker 1: a tech company where they would ask you if you
Speaker 1: drove to work, and they would actually be able to
Speaker 1: enforce it because you wouldn't get a parking spot if
Speaker 1: you said that you like rode a bike to work,
Speaker 1: and then you would get like a tax break I
Speaker 1: think or or something. This was in l A. But
Speaker 1: that's like, rather than going through your employer, why not
Speaker 1: just make it so that people like can report for
Speaker 1: riding a bike everywhere and like get get some sort
Speaker 1: of credit that doesn't require all sorts of you know,
Speaker 1: the the US just makes things super complicated and favoring
Speaker 1: of employers over employees so that they don't lose the
Speaker 1: power to the you know, so capital doesn't lose the
Speaker 1: power to the people. Yeah, I'm just thinking like the
Speaker 1: like even with New York, right, all the stuff that
Speaker 1: is being proposed, like how can we reuse the street's smarter? Right?
Speaker 1: You know, because clearly COVID led to a movement of
Speaker 1: like reclaiming these streets for it was like public spaces
Speaker 1: or no car spaces. And like using bikes and things
Speaker 1: like that. To to waste that opportunity to apply that
Speaker 1: sort of thinking across the country, it is such a
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. And for like people like to ride bikes
Speaker 1: in l A, which is wild, Like there's there are
Speaker 1: many opportunities to ride your bike with groups or whatever
Speaker 1: you can. Fucking there's like certain paths that you can take,
Speaker 1: but it's not enough where it feels like a city
Speaker 1: that's thinking about people who ride bicycles, and I feel
Speaker 1: like when you're in just to give people that encouragement
Speaker 1: would be just such a natural way where something like oh, funky,
Speaker 1: I would love to ride in a protected bike path
Speaker 1: rather than worrying if I'm gonna get sideswiped by a
Speaker 1: cost goal delivery truck because nobody's looking that like just passively,
Speaker 1: like just can't cost that much money. It can't cost
Speaker 1: that much money, and you're damn sure not spending it
Speaker 1: to help unhouse people. So where the what the funk
Speaker 1: are y'all doing? And like the and COVID's lockdowns, like
Speaker 1: nature just sort of started to blossom in this weird
Speaker 1: way because a lot of the pollution was cut down
Speaker 1: and so it's like, like you said, it's this missed
Speaker 1: opportunity to be like, Okay, so this is like the
Speaker 1: effect of us doing X, Y and Z. So then
Speaker 1: we obviously can't keep going at that rate, But how
Speaker 1: can we apply some of the you know, the improved
Speaker 1: movements as negative as everything's been, the environmental improvements of
Speaker 1: us just like not fucking with everything constantly, right, So
Speaker 1: it's like I hope that we I am dubious, but
Speaker 1: I do hope it will take stuff from that that
Speaker 1: makes it disheartening. There's been some coverage of the of
Speaker 1: that being like somewhat exaggerated, the like echo like benefits
Speaker 1: and like the you know, dolphins have returned to the
Speaker 1: canals of Venice. I think that was fake, but but
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, overall, there's definitely been a
Speaker 1: decrease in flights, decrease in you know, miles driven, and
Speaker 1: I was I was just thinking, as as you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about, like way things that we could take
Speaker 1: from the pandemic. If we're allowed to just wear sweats
Speaker 1: from now on like everywhere, it doesn't matter, then I
Speaker 1: can ride my bike to work and not worry about
Speaker 1: the fact that, like I sweat through three shirts. We
Speaker 1: have to become a post drip society. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have to move into a post
Speaker 1: drip because the drip is you know, directly related to capitalism,
Speaker 1: consumer capitalism, and I think if we can, if we
Speaker 1: can move to a post drip economy of post drip society,
Speaker 1: a lot of ills will be remedied because I think
Speaker 1: to outwardly be able to you know, evoke your status
Speaker 1: with your clothes is like the is the is the
Speaker 1: first game that ship plays on you to begin sort
Speaker 1: of rat racing towards nonsense and post drip in the
Speaker 1: sense that I will be completely dripping and sweat and
Speaker 1: people have to get over that. Yeah. Well, Chelsea as
Speaker 1: always such a pleasure having you on the show. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you? Well? Thank you both.
Speaker 1: I always love being here, so anytime you want me back,
Speaker 1: I just think you are both so brilliant And let's
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Speaker 1: mayor Hysteria and yeah, our show covers a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff I talked about today, conspiracy theories, moral panics,
Speaker 1: fantastical thinking from like a sociological perspective, So check it
Speaker 1: out if you like the bullshit I talk about. And
Speaker 1: thanks again, guys, Yeah, thanks. And is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to bring it back to
Speaker 1: some celebrity gossip if that's cool. Um And I just
Speaker 1: thought that this was a nice piece of news. And
Speaker 1: the tweet is from Naya don't give a f and
Speaker 1: it's I like mccoley culkin. He's sweet and he's been
Speaker 1: through a lot, and I don't think he's as ugly
Speaker 1: as people make him out to be. So I love
Speaker 1: mcgolie Colkin. I've been rooting for this dude my whole life,
Speaker 1: so I'm happy that he's happy. He's got a nice,
Speaker 1: lovely child that I don't think anybody's seen yet. But
Speaker 1: um oh, no one has seen him. Yeah. Yeah, Brenda's song.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, yeah she. I didn't
Speaker 1: know they were to go there. I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about this, but Brenda song so famous for something. I
Speaker 1: think she's from like Disney stuff and she was in
Speaker 1: social network I know that. Yeah. But and you know,
Speaker 1: just a happy little couple and I think he's doing
Speaker 1: good and I wish him and her the best. I mean, yeah, Jack,
Speaker 1: you come on, bro. You remember when we say get
Speaker 1: ripped and watched Sweet Life of Zack and Cody right right?
Speaker 1: Oh Brenda song yea yeah yeah. Miles, where can people
Speaker 1: find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram,
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray and also twitch, dot tv, slash four
Speaker 1: Twenty Day Fiance to come check us out. When we
Speaker 1: record for Twenty Day Fiance, we were just trash reality.
Speaker 1: You know. It's we try not to get too into
Speaker 1: the social justice shape because it's like our time to bullshit,
Speaker 1: but inevitably we get pulled it right back in because
Speaker 1: that's the world we're in. Um. Some tweets that I like,
Speaker 1: first one from Dahlia Malick past guests at Dahlia and
Speaker 1: just tweeted a parenthetical all male lineups of stand up
Speaker 1: comedy is back. Yeah, ship goes back to normal. Ship
Speaker 1: is going back to that fucked up kind of normal.
Speaker 1: It seems like some of the bills I've seen listening
Speaker 1: from Andrew Nadol that Andrew Nadoll tweeting make a movie
Speaker 1: about the t a who had to teach of Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones classes, Yes, yes, please do what happened there? How
Speaker 1: did he keep his job? And just all the he's
Speaker 1: just so disorganized, so disorganized, so distracted, like every time
Speaker 1: he was in class running off to a different thing,
Speaker 1: and like the girls were always like crushing on him,
Speaker 1: which made me think, like that's there was like a
Speaker 1: weird dynamic. They're just regaling them of Nazi punching stories. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they weren't woken up back then that that would
Speaker 1: have been that cool, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones right now, like, oh my god, you were
Speaker 1: punching Nazis in the fort He's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: right back down They're like, but they have some thoughts
Speaker 1: on eugenics that my other class was just teaching me
Speaker 1: rpt swell right exactly, Like yeah, exactly. Shows some of
Speaker 1: the other professors professor Indiana Jones was taught. Who was it?
Speaker 1: Who were his colleagues around the time. Some tweets I've
Speaker 1: been enjoying. I just want to give a shout out
Speaker 1: to Anna Dresen, former Cracked writer, current SNL writer. She tweeted,
Speaker 1: genuine stupid joy to write this impossibly stupid A bit
Speaker 1: with Bow and Yang, who is the Celine Dion of comedy.
Speaker 1: He delivers and it's the Boe Yang's appearance on a
Speaker 1: weekend update portraying the iceberg that sung the Titanic. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's so good. It's my favorite thing I've seen
Speaker 1: on SNL in a long time. But Anna's super duper
Speaker 1: funny and bones genius. So I wanted to shout out
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. It was the hardest I've laughed at
Speaker 1: anything on SNL in a long time. And I also
Speaker 1: liked a tweet from Jeremy Capitlowitz, who tweeted, I literally
Speaker 1: just fucking got that, hunk. If your horny is a
Speaker 1: pun punk, if your horny on horn I never got that.
Speaker 1: I took that as just a you know, a call
Speaker 1: in response when you're on the streets. Uh. But horny.
Speaker 1: The whatever creep in the sixties made that up for
Speaker 1: a T shirt was onto. It was thinking two steps ahead.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys one thing really quick. I
Speaker 1: saw on a Ram a Dodge Ram just like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, a bumper sticker that said Dodge the father,
Speaker 1: Ram the Daughter, and it was like, Yeah, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you you're just out in the world. You always wonder
Speaker 1: when you see people have those like aggressive ass bumper stickers.
Speaker 1: Were like, yeah, I eat the inside of asshole. And
Speaker 1: it's like that's the whole back of your truck window,
Speaker 1: Like what the fun? What the the inside of asshole? Why?
Speaker 1: You know for breakfast? Yeah, it's like this is I mean,
Speaker 1: but you know, this is the thing I've learned. If
Speaker 1: if you have if you have like nasty freak front,
Speaker 1: you know people who are like for it, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I eat ass. In the Republic about it,
Speaker 1: there's like another vibe that they all like gravitate towards
Speaker 1: or something. So it's like, oh, yeah, that's for a
Speaker 1: different that's another world in US and the civilized this side,
Speaker 1: we're like, oh no. But to with the ask goblins,
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, I'm all for ass eating bumper stickers.
Speaker 1: But ones where it's like I like to have sex
Speaker 1: with young women and not tell their fathers. That's a
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