Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, seventy, episode
Speaker 1: two of Guys to production of I Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: America's share consciousness. It is Tuesday, February second. My name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien a K. Because we're gonna baja blast,
Speaker 1: we gonna drink it right, We're gonna do the dupe
Speaker 1: because it's Daily's I. That is courtesy of Samboni Zamboni,
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles grad. Look at his weird hairline.
Speaker 1: That boy is balding bald. I just came up with
Speaker 1: that on the spot. I was just thinking about, hold
Speaker 1: the whole era of of boys family. You mean East
Speaker 1: Coast family. Yes, never skipped anything now, Yeah that that
Speaker 1: that's just for me. Not didn't even hit the discord up.
Speaker 1: That was kind of presumptuous of them to call themselves
Speaker 1: the East Coast family since, uh, knowing as I do,
Speaker 1: everybody on the West Coast has East Coast family that
Speaker 1: they referred to as such. Uh. And also there are
Speaker 1: all the mafia families, they're Discast family. I mean that's
Speaker 1: something they'll have to reckon with in their own time. Miles. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's especially funny that we're having such a dumb conversation
Speaker 1: here at the top of the show because we are
Speaker 1: being joined by one of the most impressive guests we've
Speaker 1: ever had, if not the most impressive. She is running
Speaker 1: for DA of New York and formerly a contestant on
Speaker 1: Survivor and the brilliant and talented Eliza Orleans. We're not worthy,
Speaker 1: We're not worthy. Welcome, Welcome, any thoughts, spanking, thank you,
Speaker 1: it's great to be here. I'm so sorry I didn't
Speaker 1: prepare a theme song for myself, um to the tune
Speaker 1: of you know, pop music. I really I should have
Speaker 1: been better prepared. I'm not gonna speculate what that will
Speaker 1: do for your bid for d but I think it'll
Speaker 1: be good. Can't be good? Yes, I think me singing
Speaker 1: anywhere would just deter people from voting. And you are
Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan, yep, yep, in the midst of
Speaker 1: Manhattan exactly right now. Yeah. They said we're in like
Speaker 1: a state of emergency. We shouldn't leave our homes. They're
Speaker 1: like stopping transit service at two pm. Oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: that sounds real. Yeah. So, I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: our listeners, the first who are just now becoming acquainted
Speaker 1: with you have the first question that a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I have. It is like, how do you
Speaker 1: go from Survivor to running for da of New York?
Speaker 1: How does that path happen? Are they just do they
Speaker 1: just happen to both be things that you've done? Or uh?
Speaker 1: Are they connected in any way your brilliant strategic mind. Um,
Speaker 1: so they both are things. Well, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily see myself running for d A, but I always
Speaker 1: knew I was going to be a public defender. You know,
Speaker 1: that was the only job I ever wanted. It was
Speaker 1: the reason I went to law school. So by the
Speaker 1: time I went on Survivor the first time, at twenty one,
Speaker 1: I already knew that I was going to go to
Speaker 1: law school, that I was going to become a public defender.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of this you know thing that
Speaker 1: I did. But it wasn't anything like I didn't anticipate
Speaker 1: it kind of changing the trajectory of my life in
Speaker 1: any way. Um, and then went to law school, became
Speaker 1: a public defender, you know, spent over a decade representing
Speaker 1: thousands of people fighting against our cruel, unjust criminal legal system,
Speaker 1: and realized that I needed to do more and we
Speaker 1: couldn't change the system unless we changed the d A.
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what led to my damn. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty awesome. Just years of being a
Speaker 1: public defender. Were your clients Are the people that you
Speaker 1: defended familiar with you from Survivor? Was that ever a
Speaker 1: conversation that happened? That's funny? So mostly not, But for
Speaker 1: a couple of times. There are probably a couple of
Speaker 1: times where um, someone after I was representing them looked back,
Speaker 1: googled me or something, and then found out that I
Speaker 1: was on Survivor and they were like, oh man, that's
Speaker 1: my lawyer. Like, uh so there was that, But but
Speaker 1: mostly no, I don't think it's as popular in New
Speaker 1: York City as it is in some other places across
Speaker 1: the country. Right in New York, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: one of your big issues is about decriminalizing sex work,
Speaker 1: and I feel like New York has kind of in
Speaker 1: a sort of put in as a focal point since
Speaker 1: that story that had come out about the paramedic who
Speaker 1: was like fired and like I feel like in culture now,
Speaker 1: we're constantly having moments where people are either they're learning
Speaker 1: about sex work and why it's not a thing that
Speaker 1: needs to be criminalized, or what how we look at
Speaker 1: sex work? Um, and yeah, just how it's like even
Speaker 1: on your website, it's like the first thing that one
Speaker 1: of your first noted policies that you're really passionate about.
Speaker 1: How has that you know, obviously your experience as a
Speaker 1: public defender i'd imagine shaped your policies like this, But
Speaker 1: is there something specifically that you really feel Is it
Speaker 1: New York specific or what is it about your passionate
Speaker 1: about decriminalizing sex work and the work that the d
Speaker 1: A does that intersex for you aside from the obvious
Speaker 1: park Well, yes, so you know, I think that there
Speaker 1: is there's so much that needs to change in terms
Speaker 1: of the way we think about sex work. And I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful to you know, be able to be bringing
Speaker 1: this conversation to a national stage and for people to
Speaker 1: be receptive to it, because the first time I was
Speaker 1: talking about this issue, uh in shortly after I'd become
Speaker 1: a public defender and I started representing people who were
Speaker 1: charged with you know, engaging in consensual sex work. And
Speaker 1: I saw the way that criminalization impacted their lives. I
Speaker 1: saw how it put their It put them in jeopardy,
Speaker 1: It put them in danger. It forced interactions with the
Speaker 1: police that sometimes became violent. You know, they were they
Speaker 1: were marginalized, they weren't able to seek police help when
Speaker 1: they were abused or brutalized. They you know, and it
Speaker 1: criminalized their jobs, and you know, it made them fear
Speaker 1: prosecution if anything. You know, you can't even report if
Speaker 1: you're afraid that you yourself are going to be arrested
Speaker 1: and jailed if you go come forward and say, oh,
Speaker 1: somebody robbed me, somebody assaulted me, somebody raped me. Um.
Speaker 1: And so it was something that I felt very strongly
Speaker 1: about from you know, very early on in my career,
Speaker 1: but needless to say, in it was not a very
Speaker 1: popular opinion to take. And I'm so glad that over
Speaker 1: the last decade plus it's something that really has come
Speaker 1: to the national stage. And yes, when the woman who
Speaker 1: was an e MT in New York who was using
Speaker 1: only fans to to supplement her living because she wasn't
Speaker 1: being paid enough and was but was doing it of
Speaker 1: her own accord and her own volition and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden was shamed by the New York Post. Was
Speaker 1: you know, was was ostracized, was kind of stigmatized. Has
Speaker 1: kind of made more people aware of those who are
Speaker 1: engaging in sex work and saying, hey, we why do
Speaker 1: we need to be criminalizing this. This isn't making us safe,
Speaker 1: This isn't you know, doing anything for people. And so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so thrilled that you know at the reception
Speaker 1: that my policy on decriminalizing sex work has gotten awesome. Well,
Speaker 1: we have a couple of subjects we're talking about today
Speaker 1: that are kind of broadly systemic things that I'm very
Speaker 1: interested to hear your thoughts on the sort of I
Speaker 1: don't know it feels is I'm hearing from people I'm
Speaker 1: feeling it. Uh, Like there's the mental health crisis. Is
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people are are dealing with
Speaker 1: feelings of like this ship is never gonna end. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then we're seeing uh statistics that indicate that there
Speaker 1: is a mental health crisis that's getting worse. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that broadly. Uh. We'll also talk about the
Speaker 1: systemic problem of America's broadband inequality access to broadband and
Speaker 1: just general that being a a shitty uh system. We
Speaker 1: will talk about the diet law of past incident, which
Speaker 1: I'm probably mispronouncing, but it it is this like unsolved
Speaker 1: mystery that has recently been solved, and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: why we solved it eleven years ago, so no big deal.
Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that alliwes, we
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 1: search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: revealing about who I am? UM? So I mean the
Speaker 1: things that like the things I've recently searched to include, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the weather, because I want to figure out
Speaker 1: like how soon it's like what the snow situation is,
Speaker 1: whether I can walk my dog, you know when so
Speaker 1: he doesn't get buried under snow. Um and uh and
Speaker 1: then you know, really really I'm constantly looking up things
Speaker 1: related to UM to criminal justice issues. So like recently,
Speaker 1: I was just googling UM to confirm because a friend
Speaker 1: asked and I and I was sure I did know
Speaker 1: the answer, but I wanted to confirm, which is the
Speaker 1: cost to incarcerate someone at Ryker's Island for one night?
Speaker 1: Over nine hundred dollars a night. So it's over three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year to put someone in jail for
Speaker 1: a year. You think about, like how much we could
Speaker 1: be investing in people. I mean, we're about to talk
Speaker 1: about mental health issues, but anyhow that's something that that's relevant. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's so odd like when you put those figures in
Speaker 1: front of people, like there's still some people who are like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm still not convinced about a more humane way to
Speaker 1: solve our issues versus throwing away nine nine hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a night is really anyway putting someone in a dangerous
Speaker 1: place that is damaging to their than any amount that
Speaker 1: could have imagined what three hundred thousand dollars would have
Speaker 1: done at any point for someone who is looking, you know,
Speaker 1: at a year of being incarcerated, at any point in
Speaker 1: their life, whether that would have come in the form
Speaker 1: of services, whether education, social services, whatever, until we get
Speaker 1: to that point. But it's all about, you know, profiting
Speaker 1: off of the dysfunction. And that's a perfect example of like,
Speaker 1: well we don't we don't take care of it, then
Speaker 1: then we can make there's more money to be spent
Speaker 1: or made on the other side of it, which is
Speaker 1: really cool. What is something you think is underrated, Eliza,
Speaker 1: um under eat? It would be uh nerd ropes. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I ordered a huge box of them and I've been
Speaker 1: eating them and I'm like, damn, Like these are so
Speaker 1: good and they're really underrated. I feel like people don't
Speaker 1: appreciate how delicious nerd ropes are. Yeah, I've I love nerds,
Speaker 1: and I remember the first time I had seen a
Speaker 1: nerd rope, it had just it seemed like a bridge
Speaker 1: too far from me. I was just used to eating
Speaker 1: the shards of sugar that were nerds. But I think
Speaker 1: it was until like I on a whim at a
Speaker 1: movie theater and I basically like by the end of
Speaker 1: it was just turning into like a ball that I
Speaker 1: would just eat because it was so good. I feel
Speaker 1: like nerd ropes are good for regulating the case at
Speaker 1: which you're eating the nerds, the pace of which you're
Speaker 1: eating the nerds, because like I have a I have
Speaker 1: a habit of like when you get the little box
Speaker 1: of nerds, those are done in a single mouthful. Uh,
Speaker 1: but even the King's size box of the King. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I specified the small one. I will
Speaker 1: I will take I will take the King's size down
Speaker 1: in like two mouthfuls. Uh. And then it becomes a
Speaker 1: unpleasant experience, uh for those around me, as I like
Speaker 1: go through various sugar rushes and crashes and you know,
Speaker 1: start crying. But the nerd ropes, I feel like, are yeah,
Speaker 1: they they allow you to take it in experience. The
Speaker 1: you know, the tannins, the subtle flavor hints that are
Speaker 1: there in in each bite of nerds. Um Tannon's probably
Speaker 1: not appropriate, I think that is specific to one, but
Speaker 1: filled with flavor, delicious, filled with flavor. Thank you. Wait,
Speaker 1: you're saying you're your house a king size box and nerds.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do the whole kingsize,
Speaker 1: not like once, but but I get I think most
Speaker 1: of us know we have those flashbacks to childhood where
Speaker 1: the nerd boxes were smaller than like the raisin boxes
Speaker 1: used to get right, the ones that come in there,
Speaker 1: the ones that like you get for Halloween that comes
Speaker 1: like variety packs that are just the tiny ones, and
Speaker 1: then you've got the ones that have the two different sides,
Speaker 1: like the two different colors, and so that's like a
Speaker 1: you know, like a little bit bigger, and then and
Speaker 1: then there's the like king size roll box. Um it's
Speaker 1: hard to but the nerd ropes are like a really
Speaker 1: great way of you know, keeping yourself. I can you
Speaker 1: know that much? And it's delicious And I love the
Speaker 1: like Gooey Rope part two. Yeah, the Gooey rope part
Speaker 1: is great. They really nailed it in terms of that.
Speaker 1: What is what something you think is overrated? Overrated? I
Speaker 1: would say is copaganda like TV shows that portray police officers,
Speaker 1: because these shows are basically marketing for police departments, and
Speaker 1: they glorify and normalize the systemic violence and injustices that
Speaker 1: are handed out by the police and instead make them
Speaker 1: heroes and so overrated. What is there a piece of
Speaker 1: copaganda you've had You've had to have a reckoning with
Speaker 1: over time as you're like, I realized this is this
Speaker 1: is just straight nonsense. But but I loved it as
Speaker 1: a TV show or film. Um, I most of the
Speaker 1: time watch that stuff in it, Like I I'm no
Speaker 1: fun to watch legal shows with. I scream at the TV.
Speaker 1: I'm like that that's not true, that would ever happen,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like really unfund So this is why
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, I just instead watched like
Speaker 1: reality television there you go, yeah, because like what do
Speaker 1: we know about the K one visa process one fiance?
Speaker 1: But watch a procedural with you you're like, oh, that
Speaker 1: is not Oh my god, the chain of custody on
Speaker 1: that is absolutely bizarre. Right, that makes sense. I watched
Speaker 1: den of Thieves over the weekend. I had not seen
Speaker 1: that that's the Gerard Butler two thousand eighteen uh movie
Speaker 1: that it's like the protagonists are the l A. Sheriff's Department,
Speaker 1: um who and like it's there are like vague implications
Speaker 1: that they're the ones who like have those tattoos and
Speaker 1: like basically kill people and like have white supremacist ties. Uh,
Speaker 1: But they like they cut all that out, you know,
Speaker 1: they make it a little the team a little bit
Speaker 1: more first. But it's like you're supposed to be rooting
Speaker 1: for the l A. Sheriff's Department in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: UM still having trouble, just like that Denzel movie that
Speaker 1: came out where people are like this is also capaganda.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Denzel, and like we're taking
Speaker 1: a like Rosie lens to look at policing, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. Yeah, Choppo trap House was like recommended that.
Speaker 1: They were like that movie is great. It's like about
Speaker 1: a dirt bag and it's like, huh, that's the one
Speaker 1: with Ocean Jackson Jr. Right, Yeah, and yeah that one
Speaker 1: takes a weird turn and I'm like whatever, it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like testosterone fest. It's really there's not
Speaker 1: much else in it. I haven't seen it, but I'm
Speaker 1: not going to. Yeah, good watch a watch Bling Empire
Speaker 1: instead about the real crazy rich Asians of l A.
Speaker 1: Which I was watching the weekend. How is that? It's wild?
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny when you see like the you know,
Speaker 1: just obscene wealth where like people are giving each other
Speaker 1: gifts and like, yeah, the towel has real gold in it.
Speaker 1: You're like you gave someone a towel that had gold
Speaker 1: in it, and You're like that's it's so obscene, And
Speaker 1: it's just like a whole other dimension of reality that
Speaker 1: we're not used to. Lies I'm curious as running for
Speaker 1: d A and saying things like coppaganda, Right. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people, as we've seen over the years,
Speaker 1: like to walk the this weird line of being like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make the police mad, but also
Speaker 1: wanting to also seek justice. Um in terms of and
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. You don't need the cast dispersions
Speaker 1: on the other people running. But it seems like I
Speaker 1: think there are what eight how many people are running
Speaker 1: at the moment? Eight people? Is that? Has that been
Speaker 1: a tone right now for for the other candidates, because
Speaker 1: I feel like only one is not really about any
Speaker 1: kind of real reform or seemingly doesn't seem like very
Speaker 1: forward thinking. But in terms of the race, um, as
Speaker 1: it is right now, how how many people are sort
Speaker 1: of have this sort of progressive viewpoint on how things
Speaker 1: need to change within New York? Well, so, you know
Speaker 1: what's so interesting? And I was kind of touching on
Speaker 1: this a little bit when I say that that now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's become popular to say things
Speaker 1: like sex work is work? Um, And I'm so thrilled
Speaker 1: that people are coming around to the to the progressive
Speaker 1: views that we should decriminalize sex work, we should decriminalize
Speaker 1: drug possession, we should end mass incarceration and stop using
Speaker 1: you know, jail as the default and punitive prison sentences
Speaker 1: for for low level offenses. But the problem is even
Speaker 1: people who are now espousing progressive talking points because they're popular,
Speaker 1: are not necessarily people who truly believe these things. And
Speaker 1: I think some of the evaluations that have come out
Speaker 1: recently about the candidates really do kind of delve into
Speaker 1: these nuanced views of what kinds of changes you would make,
Speaker 1: and in those like I come out, you know, heade
Speaker 1: shoulders above everyone else, like I'm the only real progressive
Speaker 1: in the race who has the authentic commitment from my career,
Speaker 1: from my experience as being a public defender and fighting
Speaker 1: against this system of injustice. And it's not like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden one day I woke up and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think it'd be popular to say
Speaker 1: we should end mass incarceration. So that's the pivot I'm
Speaker 1: going to take. And yeah, I'm gonna hold police accountable.
Speaker 1: And it's like people who have been working in conjunction
Speaker 1: with the police to lock people up for their entire career,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden are saying they're gonna hold police accountable. Well,
Speaker 1: I've spent every day of my career cross examining police
Speaker 1: officers and questioning the veracity of the things that they say.
Speaker 1: Um And so I think that, you know, prioritizing this
Speaker 1: kind of accountability for the police and these real reforms
Speaker 1: is incredibly important. But making sure that we're not just
Speaker 1: listening to someone's memorized talking points, but looking into their record,
Speaker 1: looking into their history, making sure that this is an
Speaker 1: authentic commitment to bringing about real change, right, and I
Speaker 1: can I can tell by the New York Post treatment
Speaker 1: of you there, you probably are walking the walk because
Speaker 1: they're painting you as someone who's like this headline most men,
Speaker 1: most Manhattan DA candidates care most for protecting criminals. Wow,
Speaker 1: and just like such a disingenuous look on reform, which
Speaker 1: is like these people just want It's like it's gonna
Speaker 1: look like a Batman movie where they just open up
Speaker 1: the asylums and the jails and it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: the people are gonna be running wild when it's really
Speaker 1: about we have such an inhumane of treating people and
Speaker 1: we're not actually we're not addressing the root causes of anything.
Speaker 1: Um So, rather than it, So, you know, credit to you,
Speaker 1: because all of the New York Post is absolute trash.
Speaker 1: Listen if the New York Post is criticizing me. I'm
Speaker 1: obviously doing something right, so I feel I feel great
Speaker 1: about it. Our pick for Manhattan d A. Then he'd
Speaker 1: be like, uh, do you do you aspire to one
Speaker 1: day have like a real shitty New York posts like
Speaker 1: pun headline about you. I feel I feel like that
Speaker 1: would be the ultimate honor. Is like some yeah, some pot,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna come after me, undoubtedly, like it'll
Speaker 1: be it'll be a daily occurrence of them just waiting
Speaker 1: on me. Right, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, hell yea,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back, and uh, let's talk about
Speaker 1: mental health because I just feel like I'm hearing this
Speaker 1: more and more. I'm feeling this more and more. Felt
Speaker 1: like there might be light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Because the vaccines were rolling out and then we just
Speaker 1: had our worst COVID month ever in January in the
Speaker 1: United States. The vaccine rollout is a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think we should like feel hopeless. You know,
Speaker 1: the ingredients of the solution seemed to be somewhat close
Speaker 1: at hand. Were only ten days into the new administration,
Speaker 1: but in terms of getting to a place where they're
Speaker 1: combining those ingredients in a way that actually helps and
Speaker 1: uh fixes the problem. And there's also a sense in which,
Speaker 1: like the you know the fact that this is a
Speaker 1: solution that requires widespread responsible behavior from them from the
Speaker 1: US population. Uh, And we've just seen NonStop evidence that
Speaker 1: a large portion of the U s population is actively
Speaker 1: hostile to the suggestion that they behave responsibly is I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a lit's it's got me feeling kind
Speaker 1: of shitty and like we're taking a couple of steps backwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with like in l A, the disruption
Speaker 1: that happened at Dodger Stadium, with all these like anti
Speaker 1: vax er, masker, COVID hoax plandemic people like interrupting the
Speaker 1: process of vaccinations, like it's one thing to just have
Speaker 1: your awful take and just be there with it. The
Speaker 1: name their causes shop mask free. They want to go
Speaker 1: to grocery stores and shop without a mask. That is
Speaker 1: their cause, right? Can we see them? They've been everywhere
Speaker 1: they've come through parts of the valley. They were at
Speaker 1: the Century City Mall being like we don't need master
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is like of some
Speaker 1: kind of troll from the Chamber of Commerce, because it's
Speaker 1: it sounds like just the weirdest like thing to be
Speaker 1: like we gotta shop mask free, y'all, or we gotta
Speaker 1: do this it nothing is really making sense, But I
Speaker 1: think that's adding to like the chaos of this entire pandemic. Like,
Speaker 1: on top of us not having or regaining any sense
Speaker 1: of normalcy quote unquote, we have other people who are
Speaker 1: completely taking this in some bizarre direction where it's now
Speaker 1: like there's opposition to act to treating people with dignity
Speaker 1: or or treating each other responsibly. Um, so, yeah, it
Speaker 1: only feels like it's sort of compounding. There was a
Speaker 1: nurse in Chattanooga who got the vaccine on TV and
Speaker 1: fainted because you know, like temporarily like when to her knees.
Speaker 1: That was helped up and explained immediately to the press
Speaker 1: that was in attendance that she has an overactive legal
Speaker 1: response which causes like any pain caused you to pass
Speaker 1: out of the population have it. And the anti bax
Speaker 1: er and COVID hoax or conspiracy theorists seized on this
Speaker 1: to make the case that she had died and they
Speaker 1: had replaced her with a clone, I guess, or maybe not.
Speaker 1: Maybe they think that she's just but like they had
Speaker 1: to do a proof of life video from the hospital
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, here she is. These are her coworkers.
Speaker 1: They can vouch for the fact that she's alive and
Speaker 1: well and still working to save you guys as lives.
Speaker 1: And the people are like, yeah, nice, try, nice, try. Therefore,
Speaker 1: what cloning technology is that good? Yet we're failing to
Speaker 1: give people like organ transplants yep, Like I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: just think of the ramifications, right, If we have clones,
Speaker 1: couldn't we be doing all kinds of other cool stuff
Speaker 1: with it rather than being like that nurse, let's cover
Speaker 1: up the vaccination process, So get a clone in here.
Speaker 1: It's so it's but I get it. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: like when people are powerless, they're at their most susceptible
Speaker 1: to getting swept up into some explanation as to why
Speaker 1: they are powerless, because sometimes the truth is just so
Speaker 1: hard to fathom. You wouldn't be like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: the billion they're they've been setting up the game to
Speaker 1: be like this because of X, Y and Z, and
Speaker 1: it's really just unfortunate to see because and I feel
Speaker 1: bad for this nurse who passed out and immediately into like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, people are gonna take that the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I need to immediately be like, that's just me, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with the efficacy of this vaccine
Speaker 1: or whether or not you should take it, and that
Speaker 1: other level of dread that even healthcare practitioners are having
Speaker 1: to experience. Yeah, there's also facts that lead us like
Speaker 1: non human causes for you know, the bad news. There's
Speaker 1: a new variant of the coronavirus that will likely become
Speaker 1: the dominant strain within the US. It's British variant, or
Speaker 1: at least that's what they're describing it as more contagious,
Speaker 1: and researchers think it maybe more dead. Uh. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that this story is breaking, uh
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. Um. But there so combining that
Speaker 1: with just the general since I've had uh reading on
Speaker 1: social media from other people from studies that there that
Speaker 1: this is like having a negative impact on on our
Speaker 1: mental health. Uh. There there's a new study in the
Speaker 1: Journal of Sports Medicine, Uh that is not about how
Speaker 1: we're doing in the pandemic. It's about just like our
Speaker 1: baseline heading into this and uh, it found that seventeen
Speaker 1: percent of men, seventeen point eight percent of men, twenty
Speaker 1: seven point six percent of women. And these are like
Speaker 1: young people, their student athletes there, uh, you know, Naval
Speaker 1: Academy UM freshmen were tested and found to have basically
Speaker 1: they were trying to find a baseline were concussion symptoms.
Speaker 1: They were like, so we want to just test people
Speaker 1: who haven't had any concussions, like concuss of activity, like
Speaker 1: no head uh injuries, just to see like what they are,
Speaker 1: like how they compared to people who have. And they
Speaker 1: found that that portion seventeen percent of men, twenty seven
Speaker 1: point six percent of women like basically had symptoms of
Speaker 1: concussions just from general like mental health deterioration like that.
Speaker 1: They tested the same as people who have had head trauma,
Speaker 1: just like from like a general fog of health problems,
Speaker 1: mental health problems and just a lot of like these
Speaker 1: small kind of background problems that I think are hitting America, uh,
Speaker 1: and that don't really get covered all that much or
Speaker 1: when they do. It's like, you know, teens are being
Speaker 1: made depressed by social media. It's not like covering it
Speaker 1: as like a holistic problem. And I mean to Alizada
Speaker 1: points that you were making like there there's an article
Speaker 1: in the Nation that's about the the way that America
Speaker 1: has been approaching this as uh with awareness campaigns like
Speaker 1: trying like just make uh, you know, be aware of
Speaker 1: that meant like trying to destigmatize mental health, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's not there's nothing negative about that, but
Speaker 1: it's also a cheap fix to a problem that is
Speaker 1: you know, staying unfixed like that. A lot of the
Speaker 1: research finds that it's basically caused by inequality, and you know,
Speaker 1: just all the different ways that endemic inequality, internalized racism,
Speaker 1: all of these different things are causing people to be
Speaker 1: less and less mentally healthy. The longer that we go
Speaker 1: forward in this version of reality where we don't have
Speaker 1: communities or communities are dissolving and we don't have the
Speaker 1: protection of like any sort of social institutions, it's just
Speaker 1: we're at the whim of kind of corporations and for sure,
Speaker 1: but I think that it's also exactly I think it's
Speaker 1: also like something that really is um kind of exacerbated
Speaker 1: by the way in which we handle people who are
Speaker 1: in the throes of mental health crisis. So far, too
Speaker 1: many times I've represented people who have been dealing with
Speaker 1: a mental health issue, and you know, because we don't
Speaker 1: have these structures, these social structures to deal with these issues,
Speaker 1: you know, people call the police and so the police
Speaker 1: show up, they have no training, no ability, no you know,
Speaker 1: no way to handle someone in the throws of a
Speaker 1: mental health crisis, and so the situation usually escalates because
Speaker 1: showing up armed and in a situation where you're going
Speaker 1: to be untrained to deal with someone in the throws
Speaker 1: of mental health crisis means that oftentimes it was results
Speaker 1: in you know, some pretty serious violence. And we've even
Speaker 1: seen it result in the in the deaths of people
Speaker 1: who have been you know, killed by the police because
Speaker 1: they were dealing with a mental health crisis and the
Speaker 1: police showed up. And then of course that there's the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, the number one mental health provider
Speaker 1: in New York City is the Department of Corrections. So
Speaker 1: more people are getting mental health treatment in our jails
Speaker 1: than anywhere else in New York City. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just wrong, that's absolutely wrong, Like that just shouldn't be
Speaker 1: how we're dealing with these things. And as you say,
Speaker 1: mental health issues are on the rise, and so we
Speaker 1: have to have people, especially in our local offices, who
Speaker 1: don't want to just address these things by locking people up,
Speaker 1: which like honestly just exacerbates and deteriorates people's mental health
Speaker 1: condition even further. Um. And then you know, they're released
Speaker 1: back into the community because most people aren't getting locked
Speaker 1: up for life and they're worse off than when they
Speaker 1: went in. Yeah. Um, there's this quote from this guy,
Speaker 1: Rudolph for Child, who is off called the father of
Speaker 1: modern pathology as a study, not as the father of
Speaker 1: the cause of all these pathologies, but he's a politics
Speaker 1: is nothing else but medicine on a large scale. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think that's just, yeah, a very valid point
Speaker 1: that probably doesn't is it isn't super intuitive to a
Speaker 1: lot of Americans, but the the idea that you know,
Speaker 1: these issues that are happening internally in people's minds are
Speaker 1: a result a direct reflection of systemic issues that they're seeing,
Speaker 1: but we're a little bit too close to it sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know, there's the this is water kind of problem
Speaker 1: where we don't don't look around us and see what
Speaker 1: you know, just our natural conditions because we're too close
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah and yeah. The policy issue is so
Speaker 1: funny because people who are at the levers to create
Speaker 1: the legislation to help people still act confused or try
Speaker 1: and point to other things when it's like, you actually
Speaker 1: have the power to change things, but it's really whether
Speaker 1: or not you're able to rock the boat, uh and
Speaker 1: make the wealthiest people a little bit more uncomfortable than
Speaker 1: maybe they're used to. You know, when you think of
Speaker 1: like just as policy as medicine, a lot of the
Speaker 1: countries were able to get their lockdowns or whatever in
Speaker 1: order because they knew we have to subsidize people's lost wages.
Speaker 1: That's how we get That's how we can get compliance
Speaker 1: because we understand if we say world too scary and
Speaker 1: dangerous to work, therefore we will subsidize that lost income
Speaker 1: so we don't create, you know, just screw up the
Speaker 1: economy even more than it has. Yet, no one's actually
Speaker 1: willing to look at that as an actual treatment to
Speaker 1: like this entire pandemic. It's most like, well, how quickly
Speaker 1: can we get these vaccines? And it's like we're whose
Speaker 1: where or whatever. It's like, but you're you're you're also
Speaker 1: there there's this like really uh intentional blind spot um
Speaker 1: to really kind of throw up your hands and be like, well,
Speaker 1: my powers worked to a point, and at that point
Speaker 1: then it's it's not worth it to some politicians. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: The article also points out that there are studies that
Speaker 1: have found that inequality in a society, uh is associated
Speaker 1: with worst mental health for both the people who have
Speaker 1: less and also the top one percent. It's bad for everybody. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know they I think that they probably think
Speaker 1: that keeping things the way they are is better overall
Speaker 1: for them because they've been again it's the like this
Speaker 1: is water thing where they're they came up and their
Speaker 1: d n A is like American like has first have
Speaker 1: not but they don't know that there's another way that
Speaker 1: it can be which would allow them to be happier
Speaker 1: in a more justin equal world. Um. But yeah, study
Speaker 1: that this article talks about looked at suicide rate and
Speaker 1: minimum wage between and found that for every dollar the
Speaker 1: minimum wages raised, the suicide rate decreased by three point
Speaker 1: five to six percent. Wow. Um yeah, if that's not
Speaker 1: an argument for raising the minimum wage, fuck, it's like
Speaker 1: uh um right, and then we're still talking about a
Speaker 1: figure that we were debating like ten years ago, like
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars was like that one set sail, Like we
Speaker 1: should really be like thirty you know, uh, if we're
Speaker 1: really trying to make things that could because a lot
Speaker 1: of the times too and people like make these other
Speaker 1: examples like well, you can work at McDonald's in Scandinavia
Speaker 1: like Denmark, and you go to all this stuff and people,
Speaker 1: how does it work? It's like, well, for starters, their
Speaker 1: minimum wage is a lot higher because at the very
Speaker 1: least legislators and the government is willing to actually do
Speaker 1: the analysis and say, as a policy, as a nation,
Speaker 1: we think like you should only have to have one
Speaker 1: job to at least have your needs met, rather than
Speaker 1: like how many jobs can you cram in for the
Speaker 1: bare minimum, which is where we're at now. Um, well,
Speaker 1: and don't you level when people are like, well, teachers,
Speaker 1: if we pay people minimum wage of twenty two dollars
Speaker 1: in our teachers don't even make that much. And instead
Speaker 1: of saying, so let's keep the minimum wage down, it's
Speaker 1: like let's pay teachers to everyone everyone more money except
Speaker 1: billionaires and multi millionaires. Do we can we get on
Speaker 1: that page at least you'll like why it's and it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you say, there's this these weird arguments that always
Speaker 1: like a reflexive a lot of American people have, which
Speaker 1: is like, well, where are you going to get that,
Speaker 1: or where's that money come from? Or if we pay
Speaker 1: X group, then we gotta pay X group, Or if
Speaker 1: we give these people kindness, then what about the rest
Speaker 1: of us that have suffered? Like well, unfortunately some of
Speaker 1: us had to go through some ship. But I hope
Speaker 1: that's to create a you know, a plurality of people
Speaker 1: who can actually see the possibilities of a kinder future,
Speaker 1: rather than getting hung up on well I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: I didn't get humane treatment, so no one should. And
Speaker 1: if I didn't get it, then what what what's next?
Speaker 1: The teacher is going to be paid their worth for
Speaker 1: educating our children? Oh, like yeah, it's like, well I
Speaker 1: had to have polio. Why should anyone get the polio vaccine? Right? Really,
Speaker 1: it's we really have this like weird like fomo, except
Speaker 1: it's like fear of humane treatment or something after the fact. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: the study that found that it's bad for top to
Speaker 1: bottom mental health in terms of like earning power. The
Speaker 1: theory that they for it is that it's just anytime
Speaker 1: you are tying your own self worth to an inn
Speaker 1: reaction with another person, and it's like a zero sum
Speaker 1: situation that adds stress to your life, that adds stress
Speaker 1: to your daily experience of the world. And I think
Speaker 1: by extension, living in a world where if you, you know,
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario is uh, losing your job and
Speaker 1: your life being seen as meaningless like socially, uh, just
Speaker 1: like in terms of that external cues that you're getting
Speaker 1: uh losing your job and the health care system being like, sorry,
Speaker 1: you're fucked like that that and that imprints something about
Speaker 1: two people about like our own self worth and like
Speaker 1: about what you know that that is We're not stupid.
Speaker 1: We can read these clues and see that the society
Speaker 1: around us is telling us our lives are meaningless unless
Speaker 1: we are providing some sort of like value to capital
Speaker 1: basically um and and it's and it's apparently radical to
Speaker 1: say more than can you can you create something? Can
Speaker 1: you create some value? Then you can't play the game
Speaker 1: versus oh, hi, you came into this earth, human being,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Earth, where at you know because we have
Speaker 1: these we've evolved over time from you know, uh cave
Speaker 1: people and to tribal people, to countries to governments, that
Speaker 1: we can still have this this basic sentiment, which is
Speaker 1: you are alive, you are valued, and you're and you
Speaker 1: can you you can get a bare minimum like we're
Speaker 1: doing well enough. We've figured out this earth enough that
Speaker 1: we can offer everyone just the basics, like you don't
Speaker 1: worry about your food or staying alive or getting medical
Speaker 1: care or having shelter. You know, that's says we're all
Speaker 1: gonna say, that's what we're all owed as human beings.
Speaker 1: But it's still like we'll hold up. Can you put
Speaker 1: it in fourty hour shift? Okay, well then then then
Speaker 1: we can Now we can talk because you said yes
Speaker 1: versus our you know, can we just redefine what it
Speaker 1: takes to be to owe to dignity? Um in this culture,
Speaker 1: especially like America because we're so self reliant over here.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take one more break and then we'll
Speaker 1: come back and talk about another big systemic thing. And
Speaker 1: we're back and just kind of branching off of the
Speaker 1: previous conversation we were having. UM. You know, we we've
Speaker 1: been uh, talking to our writer JM and just amongst
Speaker 1: ourselves a little bit about like what we wanna kind
Speaker 1: of keep an eye on any backgrounds, uh infrastructural damage
Speaker 1: that has been done by the Trump administration. And one
Speaker 1: of the things we called out was, you know, broadband
Speaker 1: and just generally America has had a broadband problem in
Speaker 1: terms of equality for many years. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: having a small time criminal organization fronted by a grifter
Speaker 1: for the past year four years in charge of the
Speaker 1: country and an opposition party that at times seems to
Speaker 1: be fighting for the status quo. UM, seems like it's
Speaker 1: not going to help that. UM. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, inequality of internet access in America,
Speaker 1: since that's always been a problem, but especially now that
Speaker 1: it's we're not totally sure when the um pandemic is
Speaker 1: gonna end, UH is going to be more and more important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that it's a It's such a NonStop issue. I've first
Speaker 1: starter Eliza in Manhattan. How many companies are you beholden
Speaker 1: to it to even have broadband? Is it like two
Speaker 1: at most? Pretty much? I think it's like two, maybe three.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're stuck if you want to have
Speaker 1: broadband access, you're stuck. And there's so many especially now
Speaker 1: with like remote learning and kids having to go to
Speaker 1: online school. It's like kids who are systemically disadvantaged are
Speaker 1: just further disadvantaged because of their lack of broadband access. Right,
Speaker 1: and like the whole process, I mean, because it's funny
Speaker 1: you're talking about, like, you know, obviously a jit Pie
Speaker 1: at the FCC did a heck of a lot to
Speaker 1: make things not very good in terms of making treating
Speaker 1: broadband is like a right, um, But even then, like
Speaker 1: it's been this thing we can never get right because
Speaker 1: it's we're so like you know, like Eliza's talking about,
Speaker 1: are anyone in most cities? No, it's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: these guys are at the will of like two or
Speaker 1: three companies. And then if if you think about the
Speaker 1: other ways in which it exacerbates inequality, like for example,
Speaker 1: in New York with the vaccine rollout, you know, they
Speaker 1: expanded the categories of people and they just release the
Speaker 1: demographics of the people who are actually getting vaccinated, of
Speaker 1: the eligible people, and again it's like people of color
Speaker 1: being left out. Now, why is that, Well, because you
Speaker 1: have to navigate complicated web. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: have Internet access, you have to be able to navigate
Speaker 1: these sites that are not well designed to sign up
Speaker 1: for an appointment. You know, there's no language access, there's
Speaker 1: no accessibility, Like it makes it extremely difficult for people
Speaker 1: who lack access. Yeah, the disparity of Internet access is
Speaker 1: distinctly racialized. Communities of color trail behind their white counterparts
Speaker 1: in terms of Internet access when you're controlling for all
Speaker 1: other factors, Like we talk a lot on the show
Speaker 1: about internalized white supremacy and it's just everywhere, including here
Speaker 1: in medical care. But I mean yeah, when you have
Speaker 1: a top to bottom in all these different industries that
Speaker 1: are then not be holding to an overarching like governmental
Speaker 1: influence er uh, you know regulatory body as America has
Speaker 1: increasingly kind of been pro deregulation more and more. Uh,
Speaker 1: it ends with these sorts of things bleeding through and
Speaker 1: being causing just immense problems. Yeah, it's so much. There's
Speaker 1: systemic racism, yeah, across the board and white supremacy and
Speaker 1: all of it, and it's built into every one of
Speaker 1: our systems. Yeah, and it's funny because like we always
Speaker 1: heard here about like rural broadband we need rural broadband access.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the times, like people like the
Speaker 1: analysis of who is lacking BRIB is completely like fucked up,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, because if these these
Speaker 1: maps that indicate where their lapses in coverage are made
Speaker 1: by the telecoms companies, so they're giving a very weird
Speaker 1: take on who needs the access um and just the
Speaker 1: cost that go. It's just it. That was the biggest
Speaker 1: thing for me, Even just reading what James writing is
Speaker 1: like understanding obviously because they are these racial disparities, but
Speaker 1: the version that's touted to most people is like rural.
Speaker 1: It's the people in these rural areas, because how many
Speaker 1: people know how many of us we've I've even been
Speaker 1: a situation even when you're you're younger, you don't have
Speaker 1: money because let's be real, do you have a hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a month for a broadband or sometimes you know
Speaker 1: around that eighties sixty whatever it is. Most of the
Speaker 1: time you're like going in on it with other people,
Speaker 1: be like, hey, let me get your router information so
Speaker 1: I can hop on your WiFi to your neighbor or
Speaker 1: something like that. And so like when you really factor
Speaker 1: that and it's like the problem is much larger than
Speaker 1: these areas where you're saying the wires aren't connecting in
Speaker 1: the Heartland and Spike way. Of contrast, in other countries
Speaker 1: like South Korea and Sweden, the government's build the broadband
Speaker 1: infrastructure uh the way that the government builds highways here.
Speaker 1: Uh and then they allow internet providers to use them. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's like, but but in in America, it's all
Speaker 1: based on these corporations, you know, trusting the free market
Speaker 1: because the argument is like, well, if we have to
Speaker 1: build take fiber optic cables out there to the farm
Speaker 1: in rural areas, that's too costly and therefore there's no
Speaker 1: r o I on it, there's no return on investment.
Speaker 1: So then, because we always talk about this constant on
Speaker 1: the show, if sharehold shareholder value, has this whole country
Speaker 1: held hostage because if they spend too much money providing
Speaker 1: wife like broadband, then they it's it's not as cost
Speaker 1: effective and their profits look smaller. That affects the share price.
Speaker 1: And now we're like, oh, don't do that, because we
Speaker 1: gotta keep this thing up to make sure that the
Speaker 1: shares are being traded without functionally improving anyone's lives, because
Speaker 1: that's just the whole rub of it. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: it's it's it seems like this really ongoing problem where
Speaker 1: where as much as we think that we can regulate
Speaker 1: our way out of it, we're not ever actually gonna
Speaker 1: when are they going to do the thing where they
Speaker 1: look at the utility companies go this is like, this
Speaker 1: is like antitrust town, and y'all are the mayor, and
Speaker 1: we need to figure out how to break this up
Speaker 1: because we can't keep trusting these companies to do the
Speaker 1: right thing. They only do the right thing for the ledgers.
Speaker 1: Comcast just recently extended its fees despite receiving hundreds of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars of public subsidies and new tax breaks.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, even though Biden says he's on
Speaker 1: this problem, uh, seventeen Comcast executives maxed out their donations
Speaker 1: to Biden, and their top lobbyist hosted his kickoff fundraiser
Speaker 1: in so this is one definitely their goose is this
Speaker 1: is the problem. This is exactly why. So I will
Speaker 1: say in the primary, I was a big supporter of
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, who I thought had the best plans for
Speaker 1: real big structural change, and she introduced up plan related
Speaker 1: to broadband, you know, expanding broadband access. We're basically she
Speaker 1: thought we should you know, offer grants like in the
Speaker 1: amount of I think she said like eighty something billion
Speaker 1: dollars to nonprofits and municipalities to bring access to get
Speaker 1: internet to underserved areas. And that's like she was all about,
Speaker 1: you know, like break up big tech and and make
Speaker 1: sure that broadband is universally available. Um and and I
Speaker 1: think that that was like, uh, you know, she basically
Speaker 1: said we should break up big tech under anti trust laws.
Speaker 1: And like I think that Joe Biden, for you know,
Speaker 1: he's certainly better than the previous occupant of the White House,
Speaker 1: is not going to be a champion in that regard.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Aliza, just because he's all bowed up
Speaker 1: with cost I can't imagine they've never seen that in
Speaker 1: American politics before. Yeah, I mean that's the whole I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like why everything is so perverted, because it's just
Speaker 1: like Nascar, you know what I mean, Like you just
Speaker 1: you you sponsor a congress person to go do your
Speaker 1: bidding in there to make sure your companies should have
Speaker 1: to wear those jackets. No, they really and I've been
Speaker 1: saying that like flippantly, but you should know when you
Speaker 1: go to a floor vote, you wear all those companies
Speaker 1: on your back, so we know, because that would that
Speaker 1: would help you be like, oh, you're voting against this
Speaker 1: broadband thing. Oh and it's not like you know your
Speaker 1: biggest sponsor, Like how on a NASCAR whoever got the
Speaker 1: hood is got the biggest sponsor and you walk in
Speaker 1: there with Comcast, A T and T. Oh right, this
Speaker 1: makes sense even though, And it's funny because there's so
Speaker 1: many representatives who like are right on all these other things,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I don't understand why they're so
Speaker 1: wrong this thing. And then you look and you're like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: because their state is where this company is headquartered in
Speaker 1: and you can't enter office unless you have their blessing.
Speaker 1: Um well, alies, I know you have to run. I'm
Speaker 1: shocked at how much of your valuable time you let
Speaker 1: us take up. Uh, it's been such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 1: Where can people find out more about you? Contribute to
Speaker 1: your campaign, all that good stuff. Yeah, it was so
Speaker 1: fun chatting with with you both. Thanks for having me
Speaker 1: on today. Um so to find out more. People can
Speaker 1: go to Eliza Orleans dot com. That's E l I
Speaker 1: Z A O R l I n s dot com. Um,
Speaker 1: we are running a fully grassroots campaign. The maximum donation
Speaker 1: in our race is thirty five thousand dollars per individual donor,
Speaker 1: So you think it's a lot that, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: people are maxing out to Biden in the primary, they
Speaker 1: could give him twenty eight hundred. Our max is more
Speaker 1: than ten times that, which is absolutely wild. So there
Speaker 1: are people in our race who are fully funded by
Speaker 1: millionaires and billionaires who don't want to be held accountable
Speaker 1: by the Manhattan District Attorney's office. So you know, we're
Speaker 1: doing it on thousands and thousands and thousands of grassroots donations.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you can ship in a dollar
Speaker 1: five dollars twenty five dollars, or if you can ship
Speaker 1: in thirty five thousand, we will certainly not turn down.
Speaker 1: But um, but but we really do appreciate it. We have,
Speaker 1: you know, over over seventy individual contributions, like the only
Speaker 1: ones with that much you know, grassroots support, and so
Speaker 1: would be so grateful for for any anyone to learn
Speaker 1: more about us in chipping do it's like gang. And
Speaker 1: we also like to ask our guest if there is
Speaker 1: a tweet they've been enjoying, do you have one of those?
Speaker 1: I do? So. This is from at Superman Tracks s
Speaker 1: U p R A M A N t r A
Speaker 1: x Pandemic Day I made bread, Smiley case da, I
Speaker 1: sure do miss my friends. Day three dred and ten.
Speaker 1: The White House appears to be under the control of
Speaker 1: a shirtless man in a Viking helmet. Day three D
Speaker 1: and thirty. Reddit's coordinated attack on Wall Street is going
Speaker 1: as planned. I don't even know it's they think they
Speaker 1: would think we were lying. I couldn't have believe it,
Speaker 1: wouldn't believed it. Oh God, if only we had access
Speaker 1: to these tweets like in a year ago and like nah,
Speaker 1: come on, come on Reddit versus Wall Street. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, Eliza, thank you so much. Alright. Uh, Like
Speaker 1: we mentioned, Aliza had a heart out because she is
Speaker 1: a busy because running for d A also has to
Speaker 1: go easy on me if you if I ever come
Speaker 1: across your courtroom saving the world. But that that was
Speaker 1: super Dope was an amazing person. Uh, she's out of here.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some dumb bullshit. Uh uh so this
Speaker 1: diet left past story is one that it's it's a
Speaker 1: staple of the um you know, conspiracy theory community. I
Speaker 1: first came across it in an article, uh like I
Speaker 1: think over a decade ago, and cracked that was basically
Speaker 1: miss like big famous unsolved mysteries that totally have solutions,
Speaker 1: um And so here I'll tell you what the mystery
Speaker 1: is all since you're not familiar with it. Um. So,
Speaker 1: ten members of this Uh, this is a real thing.
Speaker 1: This is a real thing. The way you started off,
Speaker 1: it sounded like a weird So it was a stormy
Speaker 1: night and ten. So ten members of like a polytechnic institute,
Speaker 1: like a scientific college, nine students and one sports instructor
Speaker 1: who had fought in World War two, headed up into
Speaker 1: the frigid wilderness. This is like nine One student with
Speaker 1: joint pain, uh, turned back, and the rest, led by
Speaker 1: a twenty three year old engineering student, continued on. There's
Speaker 1: camera film personal diaries later found on the scene that
Speaker 1: makes it clear they made camp on February onet, pitching
Speaker 1: a large tent on the snowy slopes of a mountain.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to pronounce probably not on You're
Speaker 1: intimately familiar with, but the name can be interpreted as
Speaker 1: dead mountain in the language of the region's indigenous man
Speaker 1: See people. Uh. So when a search team arrived a
Speaker 1: few weeks later, because they just nobody ever heard from
Speaker 1: them again. The other guy made it back and he
Speaker 1: never heard from them again, Like none of the planned
Speaker 1: you know, rendezvous happened. Uh. Their tent was found barely
Speaker 1: sticking out of the snow. It appeared to be cut
Speaker 1: open from the inside. Uh. The next day, the first
Speaker 1: of the bodies were found near Cedar Tree. Over the
Speaker 1: next few months, as the snow thawed, they gradually uncovered
Speaker 1: just all sorts of creepy bodies. All nine of the
Speaker 1: team members. Bodies were scattered around the mount slope, some
Speaker 1: in a baffling state of undressed. They were half naked,
Speaker 1: some of their skulls and chests have been smashed open.
Speaker 1: Others had eyes and one lacked a tongue. Others had
Speaker 1: eyes missing and one lacked a tongue. And yeah, people
Speaker 1: were like, this doesn't make any sense. There was also
Speaker 1: uh like radiation on one of the bodies. Uh. And
Speaker 1: so people like the official explanation from the Soviet bureaucracy
Speaker 1: was quote unknown natural force, and so that like it's
Speaker 1: it's impossible not to be into this as like a
Speaker 1: somebody who's open to conspiracy theories. Yeah, it could be
Speaker 1: anything monsters yeties whatever. So back when we wrote about it,
Speaker 1: we pointed out that it made sense as an avalanche, uh,
Speaker 1: and just kind of some of the more inexplicable details,
Speaker 1: like the radiation isn't actually that uncommon for anything that's
Speaker 1: been laying in a snowy area that gets a lot
Speaker 1: of sun because sun is a snow is a tremendous
Speaker 1: reflector of the sun's energy. The missing eyes and tongue
Speaker 1: are pretty common with bodies left in the wilderness for
Speaker 1: a long time, since animals go for the soft parts first. Um.
Speaker 1: And the various states of undressed are pretty common for
Speaker 1: anybody suffering from hypothermia. And you know, the theory being
Speaker 1: that they ran out of their tent when an avalanche
Speaker 1: they heard an avalanche coming at night, uh, and the
Speaker 1: tent and all their stuff was buried, and so they
Speaker 1: died of hypothermia. People will as they're dying of hypothermia,
Speaker 1: feel hot and like take off some of their clothes. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, oh god, so the but people there there
Speaker 1: was a lot of like pushback on that theory, not
Speaker 1: just that that was like one of the more common explanations,
Speaker 1: and we just pointed out that it made a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, uh in ways that concy pushing back. Like
Speaker 1: my first thing was like, yeah, probably like if they're
Speaker 1: scattered everywhere to like who knows if even the avalanche
Speaker 1: took some people. Yeah, so there was no snowfall on
Speaker 1: the night that the avalanche would have happened, and usually
Speaker 1: you need snowfall to add weight to the snow burden
Speaker 1: that triggers the collapse. Most of the blunt forest trauma
Speaker 1: like injuries and some of the soft tissue damage were
Speaker 1: atypical of things caused by avalanches, um where usually people
Speaker 1: mostly asphyxiate. And then if an avalanche had occurred, uh oh.
Speaker 1: There there's this thing about like a gap of nine
Speaker 1: hours between when they made camp and when the avalanche happened.
Speaker 1: I think it assumed that they would have caused the
Speaker 1: avalanche because they're like cutting into the side of the
Speaker 1: mountain to make camp and that's usually how those things happen,
Speaker 1: and yet it happened nine hours later. Um. So this
Speaker 1: new study basically just takes those down point by point. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the most interesting way it's taken down is
Speaker 1: that the idea that there's dimension, the fact that people
Speaker 1: say it wasn't a steep enough hill that they were
Speaker 1: camping on. Oh so they're saying it was even too
Speaker 1: flat for an aval It was too flat for an
Speaker 1: avalanche is one of the things they're saying. But that's
Speaker 1: actually a optical illusion that you see. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of places where they say, like water flows uphill
Speaker 1: and it's like this mystery of like a place where
Speaker 1: gravity doesn't operator. Gravity is weird, Like you drop a
Speaker 1: stone and it kind of falls to the side. Man,
Speaker 1: So all of uh that that actually is a thing
Speaker 1: that happens. Like basically, you're at a place that a
Speaker 1: chunk of flat ground that is actually on a portion
Speaker 1: of ground that's embedded with within a larger slope. So
Speaker 1: even though all your sort of context clues point to
Speaker 1: the fact that you're on flat ground, you're actually on
Speaker 1: a slope. And that's what was happening here. They say
Speaker 1: that this piece of land, when you go and study it,
Speaker 1: has at least the grade needed to trigger avalanches. There
Speaker 1: wasn't snowfall, but there was massive wind. But one of
Speaker 1: the reasons this is like kind of a fun story
Speaker 1: that I think might actually like become popular enough to
Speaker 1: put an end to this is that they used Frozen,
Speaker 1: the Disney movie to figure this out, like like clues
Speaker 1: from the film or so. One of the scientists who
Speaker 1: is basically created this paper with the official explanation back
Speaker 1: when Frozen came out was like, holy shit, they have
Speaker 1: absolutely nailed uh the way snowfalls and is blown away
Speaker 1: and is like actually behaves. And so he actually traveled
Speaker 1: to Hollywood and met with the three D modeling company
Speaker 1: that created the snow for Frozen and like got a
Speaker 1: better idea of how snow behaves and like used their
Speaker 1: algorithms that they used on Frozen to better inform his
Speaker 1: algorithms of just like how snow operates. And then they
Speaker 1: also consulted these old GM studies that they had done
Speaker 1: with a bunch of cadavers, like back when people weren't
Speaker 1: paying as much attention. GM took a hundred dead bodies
Speaker 1: and just like through heavy shit at them, uh, and
Speaker 1: just like studied the way that the bodies were destroyed.
Speaker 1: Um were fourteen year olds in charge of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just smash him up, and we're like, oh and
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's bad. It's bad. So, like of that
Speaker 1: study data, they basically found that the injuries were pretty
Speaker 1: consistent with what you would have seen if there was
Speaker 1: a like suv style chunk of hard snow or ice
Speaker 1: inside of the avalanche which is hitting you right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they think the avalanche hit them. Uh, they were
Speaker 1: camped at a pretty like when you look at where
Speaker 1: their beds were, they were actually like dug into the
Speaker 1: snow in a way that they were pretty well supported.
Speaker 1: So when the thing hit them, they were pre demolished
Speaker 1: but probably didn't die. And then their camp mates like
Speaker 1: dragged them out to safety and then went downhill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all went downhill from there. Um, but it's a wild story. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I do think that this is
Speaker 1: the explanation. I don't think there's been Yettie alien explanation.
Speaker 1: Eddie Gang, where are you at come on this terrible study?
Speaker 1: Yet they're going to uh they Yeah, I am making
Speaker 1: a lot of enemies. As reasonable as this might sound,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be what in big community people like a sexier.
Speaker 1: YETI explains like, come on, what they're gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: if they use Frozen, we will use the modeling of
Speaker 1: the child Child's film Abominable to then prove our yetti theory.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, that's not what they did. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just because there was a movie that that reinforced
Speaker 1: their their argument. But go at it YETI gang, I'd
Speaker 1: love to see it. Yeah, they probably will use the
Speaker 1: fact that, oh, because Frozen Okay, yeah, yeah, what a
Speaker 1: nice monster do it that Elsa had created? Right? That's
Speaker 1: where it's that's where you realize to like you don't
Speaker 1: get don't get in arguments with conspiracy theories. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: if you're not on the same page, then nothing you're
Speaker 1: saying is real and there will be It's like I
Speaker 1: don't even know how you reverse engineer common ground at
Speaker 1: that point, like all right, well we're can we agree
Speaker 1: what snow? Can we agree that that's frozen like a
Speaker 1: water that's very in a solid state? Okay? Okay, moving on,
Speaker 1: what's Russia? And then it all falls apart, like an
Speaker 1: experimental ground Russian government of the world to like create
Speaker 1: like new bio like bio organisms that are like like
Speaker 1: just terrorize the earth. Russia exists, right, and you're like,
Speaker 1: who's now, who's knie? Uh? Did you say rush up? What? Alright, Miles,
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure talking to you today, as always,
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Speaker 1: straight in my heartbone as somebody who has been dabbling
Speaker 1: on TikTok and just seeing what what's going on there,
Speaker 1: And this is from at reductor saying are you ugly
Speaker 1: or did you just see a seventeen year old on
Speaker 1: TikTok um? And yeah, it's it's wild like not you know, no,
Speaker 1: you know, you can kind of keep track of like
Speaker 1: what the youth them are doing out there in the
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Speaker 1: you know, the world being shut down. TikTok is really
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Speaker 1: that TikTok ship um tweet I've been enjoying. Uh, somebody
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Speaker 1: I just you know, parallel. Thank But I do like
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