Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one sixty one,
Speaker 1: Episode one up. Ter Daily Guys of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It's Monday, November twenty three, uh
Speaker 1: some fifty nine, eight days until January twentie. My name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien, a K, It's Daily's I my name's
Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien. It's Daily's I oh Daily's I that is
Speaker 1: Curtsey Crizzy. I'm Hucci Mane and I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined by two day's special guest co host. She is
Speaker 1: the hilarious, the talented litlsam herself, Jamie laf a K
Speaker 1: sees the fucking hotels in Los Angeles. A K. I
Speaker 1: learned that Still Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast
Speaker 1: and now I'm obset. Wait what I'm started a podcast together?
Speaker 1: Bill Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast together? Why?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't compute for me. How did
Speaker 1: they meet? It's one of those things where it's like,
Speaker 1: how do these two people know each other? What? How much?
Speaker 1: Who is even selling out in this equation? And I
Speaker 1: mean I don't care enough about any She's really interesting
Speaker 1: and I love her and this is like, what are you?
Speaker 1: But what are you doing? This wrote toy story for
Speaker 1: she just did that. She did that like that's my
Speaker 1: favorite movie of all time and she just like and
Speaker 1: I still forget, like every every time I watch it
Speaker 1: that she wrote it. And then I just but a
Speaker 1: podcast with a billionaire and the two thousand and twenty
Speaker 1: it's just like, what is going on here? That feels
Speaker 1: like a Google Camp match, like they were Google Camp roommates.
Speaker 1: You know. It sounds like a mad lib. You're just
Speaker 1: like who truly does? And so I have all those questions,
Speaker 1: but I don't care about the answers enough to actually
Speaker 1: listen to an episode, So that's it'll remain a mystery. Well,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by the hilarious, the talented, the great Bridget Oh I
Speaker 1: love the air horns. Thank you for that introduction. I
Speaker 1: always feel I can like hear the air horns even
Speaker 1: when you're not actually doing them. So I are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How have you been? Things are good? Uh? I feel
Speaker 1: like how are you? As almost like a triggering question
Speaker 1: these days, like what do you What is that supposed
Speaker 1: to mean? How am I? Um, you are in d C.
Speaker 1: I am in d C coming at you from Columbia
Speaker 1: Heights Heights? Uh? And is there because that that city
Speaker 1: changes based on like the administration? Right? Absolutely? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: moved I lived in d C for a really long time.
Speaker 1: I moved here at the tail end of the Bush administration.
Speaker 1: Was here for both Obama administrations and the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely the city definitely changes based on the
Speaker 1: current administration. I can tell you that in when I
Speaker 1: was here for the Bush administration, you would see dudes
Speaker 1: walking around with like, um, cowboy booths and like cowboy
Speaker 1: hats and like, um, what do you call those? Yeah,
Speaker 1: blow ties? That there was a real weird Texas vibe
Speaker 1: because of George Bush. Yeah, so the city definitely changes
Speaker 1: based on who is in office and like what kind
Speaker 1: of people are moving to the city for what kind
Speaker 1: of administration? Oh my god, that's brutal. I wonder what Biden,
Speaker 1: what Biden does, are going to look like Washington A
Speaker 1: lot of people with like really tight faces. Maybe the
Speaker 1: vineer movement is finally going to do Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: the changeover happened yet, like have uh, the maga folks,
Speaker 1: vacated people are just jubilant, like I think it is.
Speaker 1: You know, when you live in d C, it's like
Speaker 1: you see these assholes around, like I saw Ivanka Trump
Speaker 1: outside of the Soul Cycle ones. You know, you see
Speaker 1: these people like I don't imagine that me and a
Speaker 1: lot of Trump administration officials were going to the same places.
Speaker 1: But every now and then you'll see them. If you
Speaker 1: go to like a fancy restaurant or something, you'll see officials,
Speaker 1: Like all my friends have planned out. Like what would
Speaker 1: you say if you saw, you know, Jared Kushner around
Speaker 1: on the street, what would you do? Like, would you
Speaker 1: yell at? What would you do? But the vibe in
Speaker 1: d C is pure jubilant. I'm talking people spraying champagne
Speaker 1: on the streets, people hanging out of cars screaming, we
Speaker 1: cannot wait to be rid of this motherfucker and all
Speaker 1: of his So we're just so happy. Yes that were
Speaker 1: you in DC on election or not election day, but
Speaker 1: day of the day they called it. I was in
Speaker 1: d C the day it was called. Um it was
Speaker 1: so I think wait a minute, I think I came
Speaker 1: a day later. It was the vibe was still very
Speaker 1: jubilee and honestly, like all my friends who were in
Speaker 1: DC when it was called, they the images they showed me,
Speaker 1: the like videos they showed me. People stood out on
Speaker 1: their balconies and banged pots and pants and celebration. The
Speaker 1: only thing that I could even compare it to is
Speaker 1: I happened to be in Paris when France won the
Speaker 1: World Cup. Compared to it was like that level of
Speaker 1: of collective joy, like strangers high fiving in the streets,
Speaker 1: banging pots and pans is my favorite because it's just
Speaker 1: like so just infantile and just like I'm happy banging.
Speaker 1: It's such a like, yeah, it's such a like infantile
Speaker 1: except Russian of of happiness where you're like, I just
Speaker 1: gotta make this loud. That rules. Um. Alright, Bridget, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners just
Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about. I feel like
Speaker 1: we breathed past the Giuliani press conference, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: just check in with that one more time. And we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about his his seems at all, his like
Speaker 1: skin that's falling apart at the seems Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: his my cousin Binny performance. Uh. There's also an underrated
Speaker 1: ghoul in the background. His um pal Sydney Powell is
Speaker 1: very underrated and her background is interesting. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. We'll talk about uh st Pope John Paul
Speaker 1: the second Uh turns out he not not the best
Speaker 1: guy in the world. We'll talk about him. We'll talk Jamie.
Speaker 1: You have a podcast coming out today about Lolita. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about that, uh. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the song You're Welcome and Alc Baldwin's sign
Speaker 1: that he put up at the end of SNL saying
Speaker 1: You're welcome, all of that plenty more. But first, Bridget,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing, that is embarrassing that
Speaker 1: you don't want us to know about. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would say it's embarrassing, but um, something
Speaker 1: that I have dedicated a lot of time to researching
Speaker 1: and reading every single comment about is Janet Huber, the
Speaker 1: original Aunt viv on Fresh Prince of bel Air. They
Speaker 1: just had over union on I think HBO, Max and
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh my god, are they gonna
Speaker 1: break out Janet Huber. I don't know if y'all watched it,
Speaker 1: but Janet Huber and Will Smith finally buried the hatchet,
Speaker 1: and so I have and doing some deep googling. I
Speaker 1: needed to know every every detail of this feud to
Speaker 1: remind myself she has held a grudge against him for
Speaker 1: like since the you know, nineties, This is this is this,
Speaker 1: this beef has really aged and they realized that was
Speaker 1: still an active beef. Well, they buried the hatchet just
Speaker 1: this week. But it's been like if this beef was
Speaker 1: a child, it will be like twenty years old, I
Speaker 1: will be old. Yeah. Maybe it's like I wonder if
Speaker 1: like Will Smith is in the reconciling mood because of
Speaker 1: his journey at the Red Table, remember that just like
Speaker 1: just dragged me, you guys, Just yeah, I mean it's interesting,
Speaker 1: Like the clip that I saw, she really you know,
Speaker 1: was open about she was like you said, I was difficult,
Speaker 1: and that really damaged my career. Like that's not a
Speaker 1: thing that somebody a star can say about a woman
Speaker 1: of color and not have it like really damage career.
Speaker 1: And like the fact like that's kind of I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's the sort of reconciliation that you don't
Speaker 1: usually get. Usually it's just them being like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: we're past it and like not like actually like bringing
Speaker 1: the the actual damage to the foreground. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to watch the reunion now. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: should definitely watch it. It is. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I cried it's it was. And also it's
Speaker 1: like quarantine vibe, so like everything is like hitting up
Speaker 1: at least me, Everything is hitting me emotionally in ways
Speaker 1: that it maybe wouldn't before. But I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think I was happy to see the conversation take
Speaker 1: that turn of like, well, what does it mean when
Speaker 1: you call a black woman difficult in Hollywood? And actually
Speaker 1: it means a lot. It's not you're not just casually
Speaker 1: doing that. Um. But then also it really got me thinking,
Speaker 1: like a lot of us, myself included, like grew up
Speaker 1: on Fresh Prints, like they kind of weirdly, even though
Speaker 1: it's a television show and they're actional, they felt like
Speaker 1: family to me in a lot of ways. And watching
Speaker 1: them reunite now and then talk about Uncle Phil who
Speaker 1: passed away, like you really see like, oh wow, this
Speaker 1: is like I feel like I grew up with them
Speaker 1: in a kind of way. I don't think it's very cheesy,
Speaker 1: but it was just really hitting me and all the
Speaker 1: emotions that I didn't realize that that was the grounds
Speaker 1: that their feud had been on. I just knew that
Speaker 1: they didn't like each other for some reason. I have
Speaker 1: to watch this. Yeah, you should definitely watch it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that either. And I applaud her for
Speaker 1: like coming out and you know, be like saying that
Speaker 1: to like one of the biggest, most powerful stars in
Speaker 1: Hollywood and also him like leaving that in because it
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I think people realized a little bit
Speaker 1: more like the depth of of what happened there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that just this is all just from
Speaker 1: the trailer, but that Uncle Phil was like a Shakespearean actor.
Speaker 1: And after the scene, yeah, after the scene where Will
Speaker 1: was like why what does love me? Uh? And like
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil like hugs him like he said into his ear.
Speaker 1: Now that's acting. That's that was acting. That was so good.
Speaker 1: Not that you say he was a Shakespearean actor. Everything
Speaker 1: about like his voice, his like the way he carries
Speaker 1: himself that his Shakespearean down that back wall with gravitas.
Speaker 1: He really had a presence. And uh. And then Carlton
Speaker 1: when he did the Carlton dance, he walked up to
Speaker 1: one said, that's dancing. That's not true. What is something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? Something I think is overrated. All
Speaker 1: of your listeners in Atlanta are not gonna like this.
Speaker 1: But t I, y'all, I know that I know that
Speaker 1: we have speaking of the red table. T I has
Speaker 1: been brought to the red table before. You know his foolishness.
Speaker 1: But I something that he said recently. The iidists cannot abide.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's not. He's known for saying things
Speaker 1: that are a little bit out of pocket. But he,
Speaker 1: in a complex interview, said that he does not need
Speaker 1: to wear masks test curb the spread of COVID because
Speaker 1: he drinks hot tea and hot beverages kill COVID in
Speaker 1: your throat before before that, because because he drinks hot tea,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to wear masks. And exactly, exactly, and
Speaker 1: here's my thing, I and I think that he needs
Speaker 1: to loudly and publicly correct this harmful misinformation. I think
Speaker 1: you know, especially seeing is that he is such a
Speaker 1: popular figure in black communities and seeing how much Black
Speaker 1: communities have been ravaged by COVID, It's just so irresponsible
Speaker 1: to get on your platform and spew dangerous falsehoods. Somebody
Speaker 1: somewhere is going to hear this and be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't need to wear a mask, or I drink
Speaker 1: hot tea, or I have a good immune system or something.
Speaker 1: And I just think now is not the time to
Speaker 1: be amplifying harmful misinformation when it comes to COVID, particularly
Speaker 1: to Black communities who have already been hit so hard.
Speaker 1: So t I, I'm sorry, I I really don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's so disappointed. God damn it. That's also just like,
Speaker 1: of all the COVID myths that have like taken hold
Speaker 1: that one is one of the laziest ones. You're just
Speaker 1: like tight. You have to imagine that you're just one,
Speaker 1: like one, like someone who survived COVID, being like, I
Speaker 1: I too drank tea and yet hot tea, right, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I drink coffee. Like It's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: T I, God damn it? What is something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated? Something I think it's underrated is the lesser watched,
Speaker 1: less popular franchises in the Real Housewives uh series. I
Speaker 1: just watched Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have seen any of it, but
Speaker 1: I think if people should give it a chance. Potomac.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit late to the game on Potomac,
Speaker 1: but I was under the weather, so I spent some
Speaker 1: time getting caught up. And I think folks should give
Speaker 1: it a chance. It's under their underrated m damn. All
Speaker 1: right there. We talked about it a little bit on
Speaker 1: Friday as well with with Alison Rosen. It seems like
Speaker 1: it seems like it's sweeping. It's definitely sweeping my timeline
Speaker 1: at least, so I feel like I just have to
Speaker 1: like start watching so I know what's going on. I'm
Speaker 1: having FOMO by not watching. Yes, let me give you
Speaker 1: a little preview for Salt Lake City. One of the
Speaker 1: castmates is married to her step grandfather. So you heard that,
Speaker 1: you were so correctly. She is. Her grandmother died and
Speaker 1: in her will, her grandmother spelled out that essentially it
Speaker 1: was like I would like you to marry my husband,
Speaker 1: and so she does. Her her husband is also her
Speaker 1: step grandfather. You heard that correctly, What is the different
Speaker 1: massive My head hurts. I feel like I haven't. I
Speaker 1: haven't done enough research into Salt Lake City. Not that
Speaker 1: like that anecdote is like, see, this is normal for
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. But people I keep hearing people being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear salt Lake cities beautiful, and uh, that's not
Speaker 1: like a thing that necessarily I had always heard and
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never been there, so um, I need
Speaker 1: to show the show makes Salt Lake City look awesome,
Speaker 1: Like I've been there. I've been. I've been there once
Speaker 1: for Sundance and it was really beautiful. But you know,
Speaker 1: you go for a film festival and it's not really
Speaker 1: the same thing as going but it the show makes
Speaker 1: salt Lake City looks like a very fun, beautiful place
Speaker 1: to live. Yeah, we have some of some of the
Speaker 1: best uh fans of Zeke. Some of the best members
Speaker 1: of the Zeke Gang are are from Utah and Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City. Yeah, it's interesting. I've also like read an
Speaker 1: entire article about the city planning of Salt Lake City,
Speaker 1: so of like, I do know stuff about salt Lake
Speaker 1: City and I just don't. I haven't like really like gone,
Speaker 1: or I feel like I need to do a deeper dive,
Speaker 1: and by that, I mean I need to watch Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: With Salt Lake City rail they apparently, uh shot an
Speaker 1: entire season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City that
Speaker 1: they just scrapped. They're just like, yeah, we can't use this,
Speaker 1: it's not interesting enough, and then went back and recast
Speaker 1: it with just the um the people with the wildest
Speaker 1: back stories that they can find. That makes so much sense,
Speaker 1: because the women on this show are fucking wild, like
Speaker 1: they're all their backstories. Mary's back stories obviously the wildest
Speaker 1: cause she's married to her grandfather m but you know,
Speaker 1: and also WHTU point out Mary is not a Mormon um,
Speaker 1: which is you would think she would be, but she's not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all of the women have I can see
Speaker 1: that they were casting for wildness for sure. So intense.
Speaker 1: That's I can't imagine imagine being told that your entire
Speaker 1: season is being scrapped because you're too boring. That's hard.
Speaker 1: That's what happened in DC. They had a DC they
Speaker 1: had they had a D had a d c uh
Speaker 1: season that aired the biggest, like, um, the biggest plot
Speaker 1: line was that the White House party crashers? Do you
Speaker 1: remember them couple that crashed the White House um state dinner?
Speaker 1: That wasn't the biggest plotline. And then I guess people
Speaker 1: thought it was too boring because like DC drama, it
Speaker 1: is kind of boring. Yeah, that was just it. They
Speaker 1: had one season, one and done, and that's not Potomac.
Speaker 1: That's different. Potomic is different. Potomac is much better. I
Speaker 1: would say I didn't. I didn't watch Potomac for a
Speaker 1: long time because it almost felt like a little too
Speaker 1: close to home, Like these women could be my mom's friends.
Speaker 1: It's like a certain kind of like bougie black lady
Speaker 1: that I was like, Oh, this is a little too
Speaker 1: close to home. But it's definitely worth checking out. One
Speaker 1: of these days, I'm going to watch a Housewives. It
Speaker 1: sounds like Salt Lake City is a fun place to start.
Speaker 1: Saltmake City is at a place to start if you
Speaker 1: if you were just like I'm trying to casually dip
Speaker 1: in just to you know, get a little taste. It's
Speaker 1: to start, Jamie, you've never watched the Real Housewives? No,
Speaker 1: I haven't. The big it's a big blind spot I
Speaker 1: have that's that's amazing. That's you're I think you're one
Speaker 1: of the few Americans left. Maybe that explains your unique
Speaker 1: cultural perspective, is that you just a life free of housewine.
Speaker 1: I'm pickled by the housewives franchise. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come right back, and we're
Speaker 1: back and the virus out of control. Um. Instead of
Speaker 1: working with Biden to help the transition, Trump is actively
Speaker 1: sabotaging the transition, not giving him access to any of
Speaker 1: the information that he would need to actively prepare to
Speaker 1: take over our battle against the coronavirus. I feel like Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: you know, the CDC at the end of last week
Speaker 1: said you can't you shouldn't travel basically for Thanksgiving. I'm
Speaker 1: also like starting to see uh and not just from
Speaker 1: uh science science expert t I, but starting to see
Speaker 1: like studies that question other masks, like are enough anymore?
Speaker 1: And not not like that you can just like go
Speaker 1: do anything with masks on, but that Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like all the different things that we're working before are
Speaker 1: now not really working anymore, or like you could get
Speaker 1: away with like taking risks before that you can't really
Speaker 1: get away with, like they're in the UK their studies
Speaker 1: saying that going to the grocery store is like the
Speaker 1: way people are all catching it now, whereas that had
Speaker 1: seemed to be fairly safe, like before, not like safe
Speaker 1: that you can walk around without a mask on, but
Speaker 1: like going with mask and like ppe and getting in
Speaker 1: and getting out and like was a thing that you
Speaker 1: could do. And now they're saying that might not be
Speaker 1: the case anymore, just because it's so prevalent. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want I've been saying stories to that effect. I want
Speaker 1: to be like careful not to say because it's like
Speaker 1: this is all so far out of my area of
Speaker 1: knowing anything, but it does it seem like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember where I saw this story. But that, um,
Speaker 1: it's becoming easy. Like you don't have to quote unquote
Speaker 1: make a mistake to contract the virus. You don't need
Speaker 1: to show up maskless to an event. It's like smaller
Speaker 1: groups are contracting it more easily just because it's so
Speaker 1: it's it's everywhere. It's it's scary. Um, I will find
Speaker 1: out where I learned that, because it was a legitimate
Speaker 1: news source. But and then also something that I I
Speaker 1: was um just seeing from people that you know, it's
Speaker 1: I hate that it's so normalized at this point, but
Speaker 1: like someone's tweet that where they're like I found out
Speaker 1: I have COVID nineteen. Uh, we all know what these
Speaker 1: tweets look like. Um, but the kind of inherent shame
Speaker 1: that's attached to it where it's like at this point,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no, it's so prevalent that it
Speaker 1: kind of like breaks your heart on top of seeing
Speaker 1: someone have to have this disease and let it hopefully
Speaker 1: pass through them safely, but also experience this shame and
Speaker 1: feeling of personal failure when it's like all they did
Speaker 1: was go to this store to get food to survive.
Speaker 1: It's just h yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think that's such an important thing to raise. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that when it comes to conversations around quote
Speaker 1: like healthy bodies, quote sick bodies, we still have a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of work to do in terms
Speaker 1: of like addressing able is um and stigma around illness
Speaker 1: just in general, and how we have frame these conversations.
Speaker 1: You know, if you get COVID, it is not a
Speaker 1: personal or moral failing. Right at this point, people are
Speaker 1: getting it who, like you said, like did like they would.
Speaker 1: They did everything right. That's quote unquote, that's what they
Speaker 1: thought right. And so I think at this point like
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to do. But I think what we
Speaker 1: need to remind ourselves is if we had a functional
Speaker 1: federal government that would pay people to stay home and
Speaker 1: pay businesses to stay closed and incentivized making smart choices
Speaker 1: for your health and for your body, people wouldn't feel
Speaker 1: this way. But we've really been left on our own.
Speaker 1: And you know, in the absence of that kind of
Speaker 1: strong federal leadership that we can all agree on, we're
Speaker 1: left to blame ourselves, blame each other because we don't
Speaker 1: have some sort of centralized leadership making response, helping people
Speaker 1: make responsible choices to keep us safe. And so it's
Speaker 1: a it's a natural inclination to be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: what did I do to cause this? Or this person
Speaker 1: was responsible, they caused this. All of that is just
Speaker 1: is understandable, but it is taking away from the fact
Speaker 1: that we don't have strong federal leadership to be dictating
Speaker 1: a response to keep us safe. Yeah, so let's talk
Speaker 1: about what they're doing instead tweeting about how they were cheated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my gosh, So I mean this the press conference that
Speaker 1: happened I think last Thursday is kind of an all
Speaker 1: time iconic just crystallization of of everything that's going on
Speaker 1: with this administration. So Giuliani and Trump's other legal team,
Speaker 1: Sydney Pale, who's a lawyer who also defended Enron executives
Speaker 1: back when that happened in the early two thousand's, which
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a similarity there, and that Enron
Speaker 1: executives basically like took the concept of money and like
Speaker 1: deconstructed it and like scammed it. They were like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we can basically speculate that this is going to be
Speaker 1: worth this much money, and they basically we're able to
Speaker 1: name how much money they had in their in their
Speaker 1: bank accounts. It was like a scam that was like
Speaker 1: basically undercut the entire base that capitalism is based on.
Speaker 1: And like Trump is doing the same thing with democracy.
Speaker 1: Like so the this woman, I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: always there when chaos is being sewn in a way
Speaker 1: that is going to inevitably like dissolve our country. Showing
Speaker 1: up in the background of a picture at every historical
Speaker 1: event kind of thing like yeah, exactly, but just the
Speaker 1: the theater of Rudy Giuliani. I feel like we need
Speaker 1: to take a moment to appreciate he. So he comes
Speaker 1: out and begins just sweating profusely, like in a way
Speaker 1: that at first you see it just all over his
Speaker 1: face and he's like hankying himself off. But then like
Speaker 1: there's like hair dye like leaking down the sides of
Speaker 1: his face in a in a way that makes it
Speaker 1: look like he's like a ventriloquist dummy or something. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: melting for sure. There's a lot of there. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of good tweets about this. There. I enjoyed the
Speaker 1: Twitter disc or said this someone someone said, what are
Speaker 1: Republicans turning back into putting a picture of that next
Speaker 1: to like a picture of Lindsay Graham, who's also decomposing
Speaker 1: at an alarming rate. Uh what else? A lot of
Speaker 1: people pointed out that it looked like or from fifth Element.
Speaker 1: Another person was like, this is why you hire union
Speaker 1: makeup artists. And there's just there's a lot of good jokes.
Speaker 1: So I actually don't think it's hair dye. I think, like,
Speaker 1: so here's my thing. If it's hair dye, he would
Speaker 1: have had I don't know, if you've ever self dyed
Speaker 1: your hair, I don't recommend it, but if you if
Speaker 1: you've done it, like he would have had to have
Speaker 1: just for it to be that running and that thick,
Speaker 1: he would have had to have like just done it
Speaker 1: and then it got on stage. So like maybe he
Speaker 1: was using that like um, that like quick stuff. It
Speaker 1: kind of looks like mascara, that stuff that you like
Speaker 1: kind of cake onto your hair and I just to
Speaker 1: cover the roots to do a quick job. But like
Speaker 1: with hair dye, he must have like like done it
Speaker 1: and then gone right onto the podium because it's so thick,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. DJ Daniel is our correspondent on the
Speaker 1: street for this story. He's been following all the latest
Speaker 1: rumors and background on this and he said that, uh,
Speaker 1: some people think that it's messcara. He was using to
Speaker 1: touch up his sideburns to match the hair um, which
Speaker 1: when you look at it like it's really it looks
Speaker 1: like he just painted the side of his hair like that,
Speaker 1: like just literally used paint. Yeah, DJ Daniel on the
Speaker 1: on the hairs. That's why we brought him on in
Speaker 1: the first place, was his extensive experience with hair mascara,
Speaker 1: UM but so Sydney Pale, who has been like from
Speaker 1: day one, she's been this the person who has immediately
Speaker 1: started throwing conspiracy theories. In addition to Enron, she was
Speaker 1: defending Michael Flynn, and she's also full Q and on
Speaker 1: like she's been retweeting Q and on like thought leaders
Speaker 1: I guess for for a long time, thrown out wild
Speaker 1: Q conspiracies over the whole Trump administration. So Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 1: famous left wing journalist Tucker Carlson asked her to come
Speaker 1: on to like, you know, present her case. He was like,
Speaker 1: we would have even given her the whole hour to
Speaker 1: like present the evidence that would have made the case
Speaker 1: to our obviously incredibly friendly audience like that, Uh, there
Speaker 1: was fraud happening. And Carlson said, but she never sent
Speaker 1: us any evidence despite a lot of requests, polite requests,
Speaker 1: not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry
Speaker 1: and told us to stop contacting her. Um, which is
Speaker 1: really really unbelievable that she's like, God, these left wing
Speaker 1: journalists that at Tucker Carlson's show won't leave me alone.
Speaker 1: That is really galaxy brain rhetoric. She never demonstrated that
Speaker 1: a single actual vote was moved legitimately by software from
Speaker 1: one candidate to another, not one. This is a good
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Uh. These are actual quotes from
Speaker 1: a actual episode of the Tucker Carlson Show. Like they're
Speaker 1: they're just like I think they're confused, Like, why isn't
Speaker 1: she coming on and proving the fraud. The fraud obviously
Speaker 1: happened because the president said it did. Why where where's it?
Speaker 1: Just show us the evidence? Why wouldn't they? Um? They
Speaker 1: also claimed that it was a conspiracy involving George Soros
Speaker 1: uh and the Venezuelan government because they just have a
Speaker 1: hat that they pulled. Really totally. Note the hits there, Christ,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is a tactic of theirs, Right,
Speaker 1: Let me just throw a bunch of random conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: to the wall and see what hits. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if they make sense, it doesn't matter if some of
Speaker 1: them contradict each other. Let me just see what happens. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a tactic to just overwhelm people with a
Speaker 1: bunch of nonsense and hope some of it catches. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, so experts are pointing out, like the computer thing,
Speaker 1: that she is really going hard on that, like the
Speaker 1: votes were hacked, like the experts are saying, like, you
Speaker 1: could say that literally about any election, and from now on,
Speaker 1: any loser will probably say that about like the election
Speaker 1: that they lost in at least any like Republican candidate
Speaker 1: who loses will from now on be saying that computers
Speaker 1: might have been hacked. It's the most unfortunate way to
Speaker 1: bring the hacker aesthetic back into the into mainstream. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: you're you're a hawk, you're a hawker, what what would hacks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your take on on all this? We at the
Speaker 1: hacker we in the hacker community, as as a both
Speaker 1: a hacker and a coder, I cannot vouch for for
Speaker 1: any of this because I'll tell you why. Keyboard, firewall, Uh,
Speaker 1: what else is there? Screen? And U DSL? I think
Speaker 1: that if there was DSL involved, we'd have something to
Speaker 1: talk about here, But there's unfortunately on behalf of the
Speaker 1: hacker community. I'd like to say, keyboard, motherboard, Uh, and
Speaker 1: there's been no hacking. Yeah that is ad mainframe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might have. And to conclude, I am in Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's so sad to see, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to say, this is such a sad day
Speaker 1: for our democracy that like people that that like the
Speaker 1: rhetoric of a ringed election quote unquote or like illegal votes,
Speaker 1: the fact that that has been getting mainstream legitim like
Speaker 1: legitimacy is really a travesty. Like there have been plenty
Speaker 1: of presidents and I didn't agree with but you didn't
Speaker 1: have them out here saying that our our democratic system
Speaker 1: is ringed against them like that is such a different thing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just think that it is so beyond
Speaker 1: the pale of what we should expect, even from shitty politicians.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just so unacceptable. And I also
Speaker 1: have to say, like I have to I for my
Speaker 1: day job, I have to watch quite a bit of
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, Tucker Polson. I hate to give him this.
Speaker 1: He's he's like playing his cards. He's being a savvy,
Speaker 1: a savvy her sin and that I think he's very
Speaker 1: clearly setting himself off as like, well, I'm the only
Speaker 1: one you can trust here like Trump, you can't trust him,
Speaker 1: his team is lying. Trust me, Tucker Carlson, I have
Speaker 1: your best interests at heart, And I don't think it's
Speaker 1: been terribly unaffective. As much as I hate his guts,
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, I think he's playing a
Speaker 1: long game. Yeah, cars, Yeah, he really could be our
Speaker 1: next president. I yeah, I And it's like even going back,
Speaker 1: I forget, I I like did a deep dive on
Speaker 1: what his career was a couple of years ago because
Speaker 1: unfortunately I worked at Playboy when he did the Playboy interview. Uh,
Speaker 1: the definitive Tucker Carlson Playboy Interview was the most frustrating
Speaker 1: two months of my fucking life. Uh. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: like even learning how he's been strategically playing his cards
Speaker 1: for so long, where it's like he used to hold
Speaker 1: pretty different political views, but he just like rolls with
Speaker 1: it and then justifies stuff on the back end by
Speaker 1: any means necessary. And like, yeah, unfortunately, I totally agree Bridge.
Speaker 1: He's like he's savvy in a way that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this this seems dangerous. Yeah, definitely. And we also just
Speaker 1: point to add the fact that, um, let's not forget
Speaker 1: that John Stewart made fun of them from wearing bow
Speaker 1: ties and he then he like switched up his entire
Speaker 1: style and stock Randall's bow ties as soon as he
Speaker 1: was called out I didn't forget about it, So I
Speaker 1: just want I didn't know that his whole thing was
Speaker 1: wearing a little like striped bow ties. And then in
Speaker 1: that interview um where John Stewart basically just like destroying
Speaker 1: him crosswire, he was like, Tucker, you're a grown man
Speaker 1: wearing a bow tie. You don't wearing bow ties anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, that's going to be the new villain origin
Speaker 1: clip that's played if if Carlson runs is the same
Speaker 1: thing of Trump at the White House correspondence dinner um.
Speaker 1: And he's also like willing to be economically populist, Like
Speaker 1: that was the thing that Trump, like the when he lost,
Speaker 1: I feel like was when he just kind of became
Speaker 1: disconnected from all the stuff that he ran on steen
Speaker 1: of being an economic populist and was instead like you know,
Speaker 1: doing tax cuts for all of his friends. And like
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson like criticized him at that point, which I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that was the first time I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit scared of him as a political force.
Speaker 1: All right. Also, can we insert the R. Giuliani's my
Speaker 1: cousin Vinny impersonation just because it's such a strang it's
Speaker 1: like a child doing an adult voice. Uh. He starts
Speaker 1: just saying you remember when like in My Cousin Vinny's
Speaker 1: like how many fingers do but then he like stops
Speaker 1: himself and it's like, how many fingers do I got up?
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, what what the fuck did you?
Speaker 1: What did what just happened? There? We could do like
Speaker 1: a did you all watch My Cousin Vinnie? You know
Speaker 1: the movie? It's one of my favorite world movies because
Speaker 1: he comes from Brooklyn and when they lit a nice
Speaker 1: lady who said she saw and then he, uh, he
Speaker 1: says to her, how many fingers do I? How many
Speaker 1: fingers will I got off? The fact that we that
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani like Fox up so regularly that people have
Speaker 1: stopped talking about his turn in bor At two is
Speaker 1: truly historians will be boggled in the future, like, wait
Speaker 1: a second, didn't bor At two come out like three
Speaker 1: weeks ago? And now he's done forty five ridiculous, horrible
Speaker 1: things since then and everyone just kind of was like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we have to move on because now he's
Speaker 1: doing my He's like Tucker curls and he's just but
Speaker 1: he's just flooding you with like, yeah bullshit. That also
Speaker 1: is it's not strategic. I don't know what the strategy
Speaker 1: because maybe it is. Maybe it is. Maybe it's that
Speaker 1: we talked before about how it is an actual Bannon
Speaker 1: strategy that he calls flooding the zone with ship. Um,
Speaker 1: very very smart and eloquent, where you just like throws,
Speaker 1: that's right, flooding the pants with ships approached to fashion, uh,
Speaker 1: and flooding the torso with shirts. He he has shirts.
Speaker 1: He wears like seven shirts at Uh. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe he's just like fucking up constantly. So that
Speaker 1: the him laying down in a underaged person's hotel bed
Speaker 1: claiming he was tucking his shirt but reaching into his
Speaker 1: pants is like the fifth thing in our memory. Uh.
Speaker 1: The zone has been flooded with ship. Yeah. Anyways, Uh,
Speaker 1: shout out to my cousin Vinny, which yes, the hardest
Speaker 1: I've ever seen my grandfather laugh. Well, it's such a classic.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy we're all talking about we're all talking
Speaker 1: about my cousin Vinny, and I hope that we can
Speaker 1: use it as a supring board to talk more about
Speaker 1: Marissa tom because she's so good in everything every movie.
Speaker 1: She's so good in every movie. Yeah, that's also something
Speaker 1: I'll find the tweet. Actually, I don't want to take
Speaker 1: somebody's observation without crediting them. Um. But they were pointing
Speaker 1: out that like her, oscar Wynn was seen as like
Speaker 1: illegitimate and people made up like election conspiracy theory when
Speaker 1: she was the rightful winner. Okay, real quick, I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about just the Catholic Church. So they
Speaker 1: just did this investigation. The Vatican didn't investigation into an
Speaker 1: American bishop, cardinal whatever, like one of the big main
Speaker 1: church president guys for America who was a serial sexual predator.
Speaker 1: And what they found out was that Pope John Paul
Speaker 1: the Second, who was my pope when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I was JP two, but people informed him that this
Speaker 1: guy was a serial sexual predator, and John Paul the
Speaker 1: Second was like, Natham, It's cool. And they have since
Speaker 1: like sainted him. He's now seen as a saint. He's
Speaker 1: officially a saint in the Catholic Church. And he was
Speaker 1: basically like the Joe paterno of of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: Just let let this dude continue to be in a
Speaker 1: position of power. After people were like he makes people
Speaker 1: who like other priests who worked for him, like sleep
Speaker 1: in his bed, and he has had these accusations against him,
Speaker 1: and like the report from the Catholic Church is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Pope John Paul the Second like came up in
Speaker 1: a communist world where the Communists were slandering bishops as
Speaker 1: sexual predators just to you know, because communists hate church,
Speaker 1: and uh, I feel like that only makes me think
Speaker 1: that they were right and that those bishops probably worse
Speaker 1: sextually abusing miners. Like it doesn't. I mean, the Catholic
Speaker 1: Church does not have a good track record on it.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's pretty like a pretty bullshit argument
Speaker 1: to be like, no, at this specific point in history,
Speaker 1: it was actually nothing was happening because of because communism.
Speaker 1: I just this is so like at at I don't know,
Speaker 1: I like grew up Catholic briefly and then we kind
Speaker 1: of defected halfway through. But it just, I mean, everything
Speaker 1: you hear, especially about the higher up um area of
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, it just seems like unreformable, Like it
Speaker 1: just is it. I feel like at the very very least,
Speaker 1: it demonstrates that you're complicit in something and it works,
Speaker 1: you're perpetrating it. It's just it's so it's that story
Speaker 1: was so unsurprising, um, because you have to imagine, I
Speaker 1: mean every pope is complicit on on some level. Um,
Speaker 1: unless they outright condemn it across the board and actually
Speaker 1: try to do something about it. Um, Well, it's upsetting.
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school. Uh, my Catholic high school
Speaker 1: has had a lot of trouble. They're they're like they
Speaker 1: send these very urgent fundraising emails that are like, we
Speaker 1: need money and we're going to close. And the reason
Speaker 1: why is because people don't want to send their children
Speaker 1: into Catholic schools to be educated. People like they like
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church rightly, so is having an image problem
Speaker 1: is who they are having a financial crisis because of that,
Speaker 1: And it's I can't blain people. It's like who would
Speaker 1: who would want to give money? Who want to get involved?
Speaker 1: Like it is really upsetting and I think Jamie, you
Speaker 1: you said that you thought that it was sort of unreformable.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think any organization or institution where
Speaker 1: it's all men at the highest levels and there's no
Speaker 1: women involved in like leadership, something's something's not right, like
Speaker 1: that is just like too. I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: I just don't trust, whether it's the military, the government,
Speaker 1: or the Catholic Church. If there are not if there's
Speaker 1: no if there's not enough women in leadership positions, something's up,
Speaker 1: Like I don't trust it is too, it's like not
Speaker 1: especially if there haven't been for like millennia. It's just
Speaker 1: yes and and and like to be Claire, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about Catholics as a group, like, obviously, express your
Speaker 1: religion however you like. But something is stinky at the
Speaker 1: top of the Catholic Church in particular, and some is stinky.
Speaker 1: Oh man, when when you said you practice your religion
Speaker 1: however you want, I immediately pictured the guy from Da
Speaker 1: Vinci Code just whipping his own back. Yeah, well there's
Speaker 1: there's the Alfred Molina connection. He's in the Da Vinci Code.
Speaker 1: Um I have I only saw the Da Vinci Code
Speaker 1: once and I could not tell you a single thing
Speaker 1: that happens in that movie. Yeah, what were we doing
Speaker 1: in two thousand six? Were we okay? Like? Why was
Speaker 1: everyone reading the Da Vinci Code such a bad book?
Speaker 1: It's like unbelievable, how how bad it is Um, I've
Speaker 1: never read it. Oh don't I remember reading it in
Speaker 1: the bath for some reason, which is I was, I
Speaker 1: was like, why did I read the Da Vinci Code
Speaker 1: in the bath? It's not a bath book, um, And
Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come right back. And we're back,
Speaker 1: And Jamie, you have a new podcast out on this
Speaker 1: very day about kind of one of the central cultural
Speaker 1: texts in recent modern American history. Yeah. So I have
Speaker 1: a podcast that's started releasing today called Lolita Podcast, and
Speaker 1: it is about, um, not just the history of the book,
Speaker 1: but kind of how the the titular character has been
Speaker 1: taken so far out of context, um, in all of
Speaker 1: the adaptations, in all of the ways that she's remembered
Speaker 1: in uh music and movies and aesthetically. And so the
Speaker 1: show is basically tracing what that is, Uh, why that happened?
Speaker 1: Who you know, what kind of cultural um factors were
Speaker 1: at play here, because it's you know, it's I guess
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you both first what your experience
Speaker 1: with Lolita is, if, if anything. Yeah, I so, first
Speaker 1: of all, I cannot wait to hear this podcast. Holy shit,
Speaker 1: what a good concept. Um, yeah, I have, I have so,
Speaker 1: like I almost feel what we were talking about it.
Speaker 1: So I read Lolita when I was pretty young, and
Speaker 1: I do think it kind of it kind it was
Speaker 1: not like it was not a sign reading in my
Speaker 1: high school, but I know for some high schools it was.
Speaker 1: I think I just liked picked it up and read it.
Speaker 1: I was really attracted to the heart shaped sunglasses, which
Speaker 1: I know was like the iconic thing. Um. It definitely
Speaker 1: early on in my young adulthood, set me up with
Speaker 1: this idea that like, oh, relationships between young women and
Speaker 1: older men are you know, fodder for romance or like intellectualism,
Speaker 1: and like it kind of normalized those relationships for me
Speaker 1: very early on. Um. So I've read the book and
Speaker 1: I've seen both. I think there's something to both film
Speaker 1: adapt patients. The Jeremy Irons adaptation with um is it
Speaker 1: Dominic Swain and then the Stanley Kubrick adaptation, which I
Speaker 1: actually quite enjoy but like I probably should be a
Speaker 1: little more critical of that enjoyment. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say, even as someone who consumed the books in
Speaker 1: the films, I think the impact that it had culturally
Speaker 1: is like really clear this idea that you know, like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like fucked up to say, but like
Speaker 1: I I am like very drawn to film that plays
Speaker 1: with kind of like that dynamic, like if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen that movie with Alicia Sliverstone in The Crush, like
Speaker 1: when I was when I was coming up, Like those
Speaker 1: were movies that I always really liked, and looking back now,
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, how did the normalization of those kinds
Speaker 1: of dynamics through things like Lolita set us up for
Speaker 1: like really toxic and most importantly, like on critically examined
Speaker 1: dynamics when it comes to gender and like relationships totally.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so, that's so interesting, Jack, What what is
Speaker 1: what is your experience with this, with this text, with
Speaker 1: this this cultural text. It's very very surface level. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like it signed a man, never was forced to
Speaker 1: read it. And I always there's just so many books
Speaker 1: I haven't read, like I always like if there's a
Speaker 1: just some small thing pushing back, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I always felt weird because it feels like pervy, Like
Speaker 1: the subject matter felt pervy to me as like a
Speaker 1: a teenager and a college student. But there was also
Speaker 1: always this like intellectual heft of like people being like
Speaker 1: this is one of the great novels in the English language.
Speaker 1: But I feel like then the the way the culture
Speaker 1: kind of reinterpreted it makes it kind of not like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like if I had to
Speaker 1: guess which is what my only because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the movies and I haven't read the novels, I guess
Speaker 1: the novel is like great and a critique of like
Speaker 1: the sorts of uh masculinity that and just like predator
Speaker 1: predatory behavior that is like at the center of it.
Speaker 1: But then American culture just like managed to completely funk
Speaker 1: up the how they take and reproduce that that story totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so That's kind of where I start out, is
Speaker 1: I think that that there's there's a lot of truth
Speaker 1: to that, even though it's nabaka certainly like there's like
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about in regards to I don't know,
Speaker 1: just like he had some shortcomings, he was not uh.
Speaker 1: Something that a lot of people assume about the book
Speaker 1: was like, well, was the author like uh uh criminal
Speaker 1: And the answer is no. But then the but then
Speaker 1: the next question is, well, then why write a book
Speaker 1: like this? What is what function does that serve? Is
Speaker 1: it useful at all? And so I came to the
Speaker 1: book when Lemony Snickett recommended it in like two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, and I really liked Lemony Snicket, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know what the book was about. And then I
Speaker 1: read it and I was like, oh fuck. Like and
Speaker 1: similar to you Bridget, I think I had a lot
Speaker 1: of bad takeaways from it, uh in a way that
Speaker 1: was like I think I was like too young to
Speaker 1: be reading it and and just I don't know all
Speaker 1: this all this stuff that's at play there. So Jack,
Speaker 1: you're You're right that it's the culture takes it out
Speaker 1: of context almost immediately, and it's kind of the show
Speaker 1: is kind of tracing why because the book is extremely
Speaker 1: difficult and triggering, and it's like, I mean, rereading it
Speaker 1: back as an adult is it's like it's heartbreaking, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're now like closer to the age of
Speaker 1: Lolita's parents than than her and and just plugging yourself
Speaker 1: into the story is is really difficult. But then like
Speaker 1: what's been interesting is digging into like, well, who was
Speaker 1: the first person to frame it as a love story
Speaker 1: and where does it go from there? And like the
Speaker 1: stuff I've been uncovering is it like hurts my head.
Speaker 1: But the I'll give you two little morsels, and the
Speaker 1: first one you'll love, You love a morsel. Uh So
Speaker 1: one of the first people to like break Lolita because
Speaker 1: it was a really difficult book to get published because
Speaker 1: it was at the end of the McCarthy era. You
Speaker 1: could literally be taken to court for addressing taboos in
Speaker 1: a book, whether the book is good or bad. Uh So,
Speaker 1: it finally gets published, and the reason that gets famous
Speaker 1: is because this famous critic named Graham Green says it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful love story and like, this is one of
Speaker 1: the best books, and you gotta read it. And that's
Speaker 1: part of why it gets famous. And so I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's find out about this Graham Green character. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he understood what the book was about. And you
Speaker 1: go back into his history and you find out that
Speaker 1: it's a part of his It's been kind of well hidden.
Speaker 1: But he was once fired from a magazine about ten
Speaker 1: years before Lolita came out, maybe even sooner, uh for
Speaker 1: talking about Shirley Temple in this very sexualized way, which
Speaker 1: was nine years old. And so even like the guy
Speaker 1: who made the book, you know, like legitimized it in
Speaker 1: this literary sense. I didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 1: And it's like it just, uh, there's so many little
Speaker 1: examples like that throughout the history of this book, where uh,
Speaker 1: the story is perpetuated over and over and over and
Speaker 1: it's almost always by someone who hasn't taken in what
Speaker 1: it's the It feels like the book's very clear message
Speaker 1: is and so that is the show with the with
Speaker 1: the Kubrick stuff there it news broke literally last month
Speaker 1: that um the the producer of that movie, was sexually
Speaker 1: abusive towards the actress who plays the star or who
Speaker 1: plays Lolita. There's it just goes really like there is
Speaker 1: such a negative history associated with a book that I
Speaker 1: I think at its core and talked to a lot
Speaker 1: of people I talk to like a um child abuse therapists.
Speaker 1: I talk to a lot of people who argue that
Speaker 1: the book itself is useful to exist while it is triggering.
Speaker 1: And there's certainly like a lot to unpack with the book.
Speaker 1: But the the wild out of context that has been
Speaker 1: going on for like seventy years that still kind of
Speaker 1: hasn't been corrected. Um is is what the show is about.
Speaker 1: And it hurts my head and uh, and that's the show.
Speaker 1: I can't even wait to listen to this. There's so
Speaker 1: much that the Jeremy Irons movie is. Like there's a
Speaker 1: clip of Jeremy Irons doing the press junket for that
Speaker 1: movie being like, let's see what the big deal is
Speaker 1: and you're like, remember Jeremy, I remember that. I mean,
Speaker 1: and he's like notoriously an asshole, but like he just
Speaker 1: so like his attitude is so nineties. E cavill leader
Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, afore you talking about Dominique Swain,
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you know, a fourteen year old in
Speaker 1: California they know everything, so, you know, kind of just
Speaker 1: this very it just it blows my mind how how
Speaker 1: everyone who has been given this story to adapt has
Speaker 1: demonstrated clearly that they don't know what the story is about,
Speaker 1: and so the wrong message is perpetuated over and over
Speaker 1: and over. There's a Broadway musical that is written by
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote My Fair Lady that never debuted,
Speaker 1: but uh, there is like some lyrics to some of
Speaker 1: those songs are unpa who is that viper who likes them?
Speaker 1: Post diaper is one of the lyrics. It's disgusting, and
Speaker 1: yet the songs are catchy. Edward Albe wrote a version
Speaker 1: of it. It's just David Mammitt wrote a draft of
Speaker 1: a screenplay just everyone who you would be? Would who
Speaker 1: would be at the top of your list, as like
Speaker 1: the last person that would take in the message. The
Speaker 1: last part has been involved in some way over the
Speaker 1: Why is it always like old like people who are
Speaker 1: the age of the criminal, and not like women who
Speaker 1: are doing like that's who should be interpreting the story,
Speaker 1: not uh, Stanley Kubrick and people who could be Stanley
Speaker 1: kuber if you showed me a picture of them, might
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, maybe that's Stanley Cooper. And not even
Speaker 1: just like oldish white guys, but oldish white guys who
Speaker 1: already have a notoriously bad track record dealing with women,
Speaker 1: children or both, Like just what Adrian Line directs version
Speaker 1: and he uh what I always forget the Glenn Close movie.
Speaker 1: Oh um attraction, Oh my god, You're just like, well,
Speaker 1: that's well, that's not going to be a good fit.
Speaker 1: It's just so um. Sorry, I just like rant about
Speaker 1: this because it's all I think about anymore. But it basically,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find what is the value in this story?
Speaker 1: Is it salvageable um for us in any way? And
Speaker 1: then also going into like there's a lot of internet
Speaker 1: subcultures that are dominated by women and girls surrounding this
Speaker 1: book and in kind of these reclaiming efforts that are
Speaker 1: that have been taking place online over the past ten
Speaker 1: to twenty years that are pretty interesting to to get
Speaker 1: into as well. So that's not fascinating. I think it really,
Speaker 1: it really does exists at a really interesting intersection of
Speaker 1: like culture, literature, film history, Like you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a very interesting um thing to be examining. And I
Speaker 1: remember after the Asrian Line version of the film, Remember
Speaker 1: I was quite taken with Dominic Squeen as a young actress.
Speaker 1: I think when that film came out, we were on
Speaker 1: the same age. And it's interesting to me the films
Speaker 1: that she made after were sort of similar that, like
Speaker 1: films where she was like, you know, I'm a young
Speaker 1: girl like exploring the big like the big world of
Speaker 1: sexuality and blah blah blah. And I almost, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I almost felt like doing Lolita as her first
Speaker 1: breakout role kind of pigeon held her, or pigeon hold
Speaker 1: her in a kind of way for like people wanting
Speaker 1: to see her be a certain kind of a certain
Speaker 1: kind of people wanted to see her exhibiting a certain
Speaker 1: kind of young email sexuality and certain kinds of roles.
Speaker 1: And so I just wonder like the sort of cultural
Speaker 1: undertow of Lolita, like it must be very strong, like
Speaker 1: people must really like it just must really have a
Speaker 1: lot of weight. I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like the just you know, straight old white
Speaker 1: cultural hedgemony like that men have just pushed. Like, for instance,
Speaker 1: Face Off was the other movie that came out the
Speaker 1: same year as Lolita. She's in that. She's like the
Speaker 1: teenage daughter in that, and there's a scene where John Travolta,
Speaker 1: who is actually not her father, she just is wearing
Speaker 1: her father's face. But because that's a great movie, right
Speaker 1: right right, but like he like luss after her and
Speaker 1: like like had there's like a weird like moment of
Speaker 1: of that. I just yeah, it's like there there is
Speaker 1: a gravitational pool of of that whole. Yeah, just prvy, horny,
Speaker 1: old gross men who run Hollywood and all like forms
Speaker 1: of and publishing and all those things and did for
Speaker 1: the entire twentieth century. Like the late seventies was a
Speaker 1: real wild time for that. Like if you look at
Speaker 1: just the ads, like that was in the Brookshields ad
Speaker 1: where she's like thirteen starts being yeah. There there's literally
Speaker 1: a ad where where there's a woman dressed as like
Speaker 1: a doll and the ad she's like licking a lollipop
Speaker 1: and it says nothing sexier than a baby. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's an actual ad from the seventies. Everything, everything, literally
Speaker 1: everything is sexier than her baby. Every yeah, everything, everything
Speaker 1: it perpetuates is just like there's and there's all these
Speaker 1: like bizarrely specific. I have a whole episode where I
Speaker 1: talked to actresses who have played Lolita at some point
Speaker 1: in their careers, and there is like this kind of
Speaker 1: through line of exactly what you're describing, bridget of like
Speaker 1: once you played this role, you can't get out from
Speaker 1: underneath the like cultural weight of it. And you never
Speaker 1: see that with the actors who play Humbert or Quill,
Speaker 1: the who are playing literal pedophiles. But it's like Jeremy
Speaker 1: Irons is totally fine. James Mason played him in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two. Donald Sutherland has played him before. Like, none
Speaker 1: of these men ever struggle to work. But in almost
Speaker 1: every single case, it doesn't always obliterate your career, but
Speaker 1: it's like a set back almost in a way that
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be. It doesn't like it. It is. It
Speaker 1: is so frustrating. But there's so many ways that. I mean,
Speaker 1: even with Sue Lyon, who played her in nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 1: being molested by the producer of the movie. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not unbelievable. It's actually very believable. Unfortunately, the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario, that's like exactly what you would would expect. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot. It's nine, possibly ten episodes that
Speaker 1: kind of each episode kind of takes a different perspective
Speaker 1: or examines a different adaptation, and um, check it out
Speaker 1: if if that's something you're interested in. It's really amazing.
Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot wait to listen to this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna listen to it. I see the trailer. I was
Speaker 1: like googling, I guess the trailer is up. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to the trailer as soon as we get off the air.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Hell yeah, I'm so glad. Uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited about it. I'm also I also have
Speaker 1: like a phone line open for anyone who would like
Speaker 1: is reading it for the first time as they're listening
Speaker 1: or like rereading it. There's like this kind of amazing
Speaker 1: like talking to people who have read it multiple times
Speaker 1: over the years, and the first time they read it
Speaker 1: they identified with Lolita, the second time they realized that
Speaker 1: Humbred is a clear cut pedophile, and in the third
Speaker 1: time they relate with her mother when they have kids
Speaker 1: of their own. There's just kind of this whole your
Speaker 1: relationship with the material really tends to like change as
Speaker 1: you get older. It's really interesting. I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's super interesting. Um alright, well, Bridget, it has been
Speaker 1: a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find
Speaker 1: you and follow you? Oh, the pleasure is all mine.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Bridget Marie and
Speaker 1: d C. You can find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie,
Speaker 1: and you can subscribe to my podcast. There are no
Speaker 1: girls on the internet on this very network. I heart Radio.
Speaker 1: If you want to have awesome conversations about underrepresenting communities
Speaker 1: and how we show up on the Internet and I
Speaker 1: would love to have you there. H yeah, Um, is
Speaker 1: there a tweet or some other work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Oh, there is so. Twitter user d
Speaker 1: bank underscore b Hugh pointed out that the Texas Tech
Speaker 1: football team recruits have really wild sounding names, names like
Speaker 1: Maverick mckiver or uh Mason mchorse. And I was thinking, see,
Speaker 1: those are some interesting names. Somebody replied to that tweet
Speaker 1: and they said, oh, you're really sleeping on the Texas
Speaker 1: men's lacrosse names. Just to give you a couple of
Speaker 1: these names. These are real lacrosse players names. I looked
Speaker 1: them up myself, Like University of Texas. It's at Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, we have shackle Herd, Standwick, Sr Twinn Commandment,
Speaker 1: Decklin Smartwood, Uh, Salis Creamer, which is my personal favorite,
Speaker 1: Dallas Creamer. Um, yeah, these names are so fucking good.
Speaker 1: Wheat and jack Boys. That's actually a close personal friend
Speaker 1: of mine. But really that's so funny. Miss Key and peel,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, it's anything that like. Well, here's
Speaker 1: my thing about that is, like I people love to
Speaker 1: make like jokes about how black folks have unusual names.
Speaker 1: Rich white people do the same things. So I just
Speaker 1: love that. This really underscore is that like, oh, rich
Speaker 1: white people, they have some wild names. We had a
Speaker 1: person at my school was like the best lacrosse player
Speaker 1: on the women's team named Wickliffe stan Wick. Uh, and
Speaker 1: that that has gone down in history. And my friend
Speaker 1: one time was having awkward conversation with her and said
Speaker 1: this her name was Wick stan Wick and he said,
Speaker 1: this conversation is awkward. Stand awkward. Yo. Do you think
Speaker 1: was related to the Yeah? I think it might be
Speaker 1: because they are family, are are lacrosse royalty. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if you're aware if anyone has any insights into
Speaker 1: these like, like, please get at me on my personal
Speaker 1: social media accounts. I want to talk about if you
Speaker 1: if you have any insights into like lacrosse royalty. I
Speaker 1: need to know everything. Yeah, all the guys were named
Speaker 1: like Trevor Or Tyler or Skylar or some ship like
Speaker 1: that when I was in college. But uh, the this
Speaker 1: is the next generation the evolutionary lacrosse name. Uh, Dallas
Speaker 1: Creamer fucking rules. I want to meet this person so badly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what has what has Dallas Creeper's life been like? Fucking
Speaker 1: tight dude. Um, Jamie, where can people find you? And
Speaker 1: what's tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter dot com at Jamie Lafta's Help, Instagram at
Speaker 1: Jamie christ super Star. What's the tweet that I like?
Speaker 1: All my light tweets are very depressing right now? Uh,
Speaker 1: that's so nice. You're just like, oh damn, these were
Speaker 1: all these were all favor for sad reasons. Uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go with this one from Eric Francisco
Speaker 1: at Eric Francisco twitty four. Didn't expect to wake up
Speaker 1: this morning and find Edward Norton's third eye wide open
Speaker 1: and galaxy brain activated. But here we are. Everard Note,
Speaker 1: Norton had, at the time of this recording a very
Speaker 1: specific thread about what he thinks Donald Trump is doing.
Speaker 1: Uh that didn't not make sense, but it was just like,
Speaker 1: Edward Norton, why are you, Um, that's the treat I'm
Speaker 1: picking m So speaking of Edward Norton underrated starting Edward Norton,
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I'll check it out. But also
Speaker 1: doesn't he have is that the one where he has
Speaker 1: a like a girlfriend in high school or he meets
Speaker 1: a girl. He oh ship he meets it's Rosario Dawson
Speaker 1: and their origin stories. They met when she was in
Speaker 1: high school and he's like everywhere. Yeah, it always comes
Speaker 1: back to lolita really does um tweet that I've been
Speaker 1: enjoying h Miles Cohn at Miles con tweeted, I'm no
Speaker 1: longer impressed that Sasha Baron Cohen trick Rudy Giuliani. Um Oh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to I forgot. I also went to shout
Speaker 1: out at something else about Sasha Baron Cohen, which is
Speaker 1: just an interview that Helena Bonham Carter did last year
Speaker 1: where she was just asked about her past co stars
Speaker 1: and she was nice to everybody except for Sasha Baron
Speaker 1: Cohen um who she said he needs a lot of attention,
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Speaker 1: I love her like she really just laid Mr Sudden
Speaker 1: and she's so British that it was just like that
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