Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one sixty, Episode
Speaker 1: five of Daily Guys, the production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into American share kind of just it's Friday, November twenty
Speaker 1: uh sixty one days until January two thousand one. So
Speaker 1: many twenties. Wait, let's form a conspiracy theory, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like we're gonna do ah, just like Jim Carrey's
Speaker 1: the number twenty three the dailies like guys the number
Speaker 1: twenties something anything. My name is Jack O'Brien a K.
Speaker 1: I always feel like drinking a Baja freeze. That is
Speaker 1: courtesy of Picks Last and zych class uh or at
Speaker 1: go to Joe three oh three three oh. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they got that damp, but they did it.
Speaker 1: Uh And I'm thrilled to be joined by my co
Speaker 1: host Jamie Laws. I got the tax buttons, I got
Speaker 1: some hot text Jamie and I I maybe lose it
Speaker 1: by my take demon got I have some hot take
Speaker 1: with mout Jason Jeko Brat run there those pretty Yeah.
Speaker 1: My animals just died. They died because they did that.
Speaker 1: I really like. I'm always impressed by your singing. Yes,
Speaker 1: Miles is off decompressing uh in the Southern hemisphere. Yah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna take a couple of days to decompress
Speaker 1: from the election that we just ran for Joe Biden. Um,
Speaker 1: and we are thrilled to be joined in our third
Speaker 1: seat by the hilarious and talented Allison Roses. Hello, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to be here. Congratulations on the campaign you
Speaker 1: ran for Biden. I was unaware that I was going
Speaker 1: to be forced to sing, so I'm not going to
Speaker 1: this almost sounded do you know that sn L sketch
Speaker 1: where Kristen wigg is like oh to Mike mssing and
Speaker 1: then keep Yeah, it seemed like I was going to
Speaker 1: head into that like, I don't know. We can tell
Speaker 1: you I have a piano here. It's just coincidence. Alison.
Speaker 1: What have you been up to since we last spoke
Speaker 1: with you? Oh? God, just preparing for this day and
Speaker 1: it's finally here. It's been like an advent calendar where
Speaker 1: each day I just read the news and I hope
Speaker 1: that I'll get a chance to talk about it. Um. No,
Speaker 1: what have I been doing? Well, I've been fretting a
Speaker 1: bit about COVID, fretting about the country, fretting about out, uh,
Speaker 1: the election those first couple of days, even though everyone
Speaker 1: had said, you know, we're not going to have the
Speaker 1: results right away, there's going to be a red mirage,
Speaker 1: when it happened those first couple of days, I still
Speaker 1: felt very worried and very concerned and like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just didn't realize this many people still supported him.
Speaker 1: And then ultimately when it kind of shook out, I
Speaker 1: began to feel like, oh well, it really was kind
Speaker 1: of a statement that people are done with him, So
Speaker 1: I felt better about that. And then also just doing
Speaker 1: my show shows, your shows, yes, and raising my children
Speaker 1: that a distant third. But what else besides that? Besides
Speaker 1: all these things, I have Elliott who is three and
Speaker 1: a half and Owen who's one and a half. We're
Speaker 1: in similar ballparks, uh, four and two over here son
Speaker 1: to mine own. I say three and a half because
Speaker 1: I feel like they're at the age where no one
Speaker 1: wants to do the math of me saying months. But
Speaker 1: they both have birthdays in February, so actually I could
Speaker 1: say they're almost four and two. The big development, uh,
Speaker 1: is that now they like to take bath together. So
Speaker 1: it's incredible and it's a little bit easier. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: good Sarah Tonin to just have in your house. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. I do feel like I use my
Speaker 1: kids as antidepressants. Yeah, well yeah, I mean I definitely
Speaker 1: can be feeling very beside my Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: just remember, hang on, I just remember the other thing
Speaker 1: I've been doing. Let me finish my sentence about the
Speaker 1: kid I've been feeling beside myself, or when I feel
Speaker 1: beside myself, then if I just spend some time really
Speaker 1: playing with them, being in the moment with them. Um,
Speaker 1: It's like it's always this reminder that this is what
Speaker 1: I should be doing, not scrolling and worrying and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Um, so I feel very fortunately I haven't.
Speaker 1: What I've been The main thing I've been doing is
Speaker 1: I've been watching the Vow and Seduced and then listening
Speaker 1: to that podcast Escaping Nexium. I am not usually a
Speaker 1: true crime person. This is not really something you'd think
Speaker 1: I would like. And then I just got so sucked in.
Speaker 1: Have you guys watched this? Yeah? Are you aware of it?
Speaker 1: I've Yeah, I feel like it. It is like even more,
Speaker 1: I'm very easily pulled into a doom spiral media, but
Speaker 1: now more than ever. Yeah, though I've watched I I
Speaker 1: just finished Seduced and I watched the Vow. The Vow
Speaker 1: piss me off because it just a lot of it
Speaker 1: felt like people who were integral to like the people
Speaker 1: who a lot of the um Not podcast documentary were
Speaker 1: about we're trying to get ahead of stuff, and I
Speaker 1: feel like they were making it a lot about them,
Speaker 1: and I just I liked I thought Seduced was a
Speaker 1: far more like comprehend pensive, clear detailed account of of
Speaker 1: that story. Right, Um, yes, there is so Jack. You
Speaker 1: have not seen any of this, Right, you don't know,
Speaker 1: but I have. I am sad enough that I follow
Speaker 1: other people's thoughts on the documentary that I haven't seen,
Speaker 1: so right the second hand, you're up to speed. So
Speaker 1: the Vow is I think nine episodes and it follows
Speaker 1: some of the same characters who are in Seduced, which
Speaker 1: is more succinct in its four episodes, and there in
Speaker 1: the Vow they are portrayed or they portrayed themselves as victims.
Speaker 1: But there's this question of like, were you really victims?
Speaker 1: You were integral, you were top earners in the company
Speaker 1: you were recruiting. They never talked about how much money
Speaker 1: they were making during this time. They know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just yeah. And also just on a personal viewing experience,
Speaker 1: I'm like, the vow could have been three hours, That's
Speaker 1: what everyone says, and yet I still like hung on.
Speaker 1: Even the late There was a when they went down
Speaker 1: to Mexico near the very end where I'm like, who
Speaker 1: are these new people they're introducing? Um Then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I do feel like I'm gonna fall asleep. But other
Speaker 1: than that, I was hooked the whole time. Where they
Speaker 1: lost me was just the when the there's like a
Speaker 1: moment where the main couple that we're following, or one
Speaker 1: of the main couples, it's like Bonnie and Mark Mark
Speaker 1: Mark especially, I'm like Mark, I just he he. But anyways,
Speaker 1: they go to their storage unit to look at their
Speaker 1: old stuff and they're just it's the most useless scene
Speaker 1: in all that. It's just like for me, it was
Speaker 1: just an empty pass at trying to get the viewer
Speaker 1: to sympathize with them, where she's like, wow, look it's
Speaker 1: my Star Wars action figure and he's like, look it's
Speaker 1: the DVD of the movie I made. Wow, that feels
Speaker 1: so long ago, and I'm like, what does this have
Speaker 1: to do with fucking anything? Like get Off? I wrote
Speaker 1: a book that was a time ago. It seemed like
Speaker 1: they had paid someone to make title cards and they're like,
Speaker 1: we got to use them because she's like, look, I
Speaker 1: found Shifter and he's like, oh, you found the shifter module.
Speaker 1: This is like literature. The cult had given them shifter. Yes,
Speaker 1: she looks a shifter, and then across the screen, like
Speaker 1: the screen goes black and you just see like the
Speaker 1: words shifter, which is in the same style as other
Speaker 1: titles they had used, but they don't go into it
Speaker 1: at all. And then they're like and something with the fall,
Speaker 1: and then across the screen the fall goes It's like
Speaker 1: you just yes, that's interesting that because it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's a similar model to Firefest, like the Firefest documentaries
Speaker 1: where you have like one that is like part of
Speaker 1: the like people who are part of the original con
Speaker 1: and then the other one. But those were kind of indistinguishable.
Speaker 1: It sounds like these are a little bit more distinct
Speaker 1: the Valve. Though we we have nine episodes so far,
Speaker 1: we should make that point that they have renewed it
Speaker 1: for a second season somehow really yes, Yeah, And the
Speaker 1: final episode of the Vow has footage that indicates what
Speaker 1: the point of view of the second season is going
Speaker 1: to be and to people who are considering joining Nexium
Speaker 1: like me, and I'm joking, but I also was spending
Speaker 1: enough time that I feel like I could, Um, it's
Speaker 1: quite titillating a little bit morally into you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be so vague about this. Um, you
Speaker 1: see Nancy, who's like the second in command. You see
Speaker 1: her with an ankle bracelet, so it's clear they got
Speaker 1: an interview with her after she's already been arrested. And
Speaker 1: then you hear Keith, the head of the whole thing,
Speaker 1: call from prison. So it's like you're going to get
Speaker 1: their point of view in the second season, which is,
Speaker 1: do we really I'm like, do we really need to
Speaker 1: go deeper into like let's get that. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I I by the end, I honestly wasn't
Speaker 1: paying close enough attention to the final episode because I
Speaker 1: was just kind of frustrated with it. Yeah, but that said,
Speaker 1: will I watch it? Yeah? Will so I will not
Speaker 1: but I will listen to you guys talk about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's just it's it's more interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: But hearing myself talk about it makes me think, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: what has happened to me? Listen to me? Because I
Speaker 1: always and I feel I don't even know if this
Speaker 1: if it qualifies as true crime. I think so, it's
Speaker 1: not murdering, but it is crime. But in general, I
Speaker 1: I sometimes worry that there's something a bit exploitative about
Speaker 1: true crime. And so to hear myself so deep into
Speaker 1: like other people's foibles and anguish makes me think, yeah,
Speaker 1: and to you, I feel like I've felt the same
Speaker 1: way a lot, And then I think that I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like one of those things where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should reckon, But why I respond to stuff like
Speaker 1: that this way? Next year? Like they're right, right, everything,
Speaker 1: everything's getting reprioritized right now, even Jack, is it like
Speaker 1: this for you and your children? Things that my kids
Speaker 1: were working on, like potty training, giving up pacifiers, things
Speaker 1: like that. There's been a huge regression and I'm not
Speaker 1: fighting it so much. Yeah, we're cutting ourselves a nice
Speaker 1: little break on that front. But then I'm also like,
Speaker 1: is it going to be easier when they're like going
Speaker 1: back to school and we're like going back to work
Speaker 1: and having to adapt back to seeing people in person. Probably,
Speaker 1: But yeah, well I don't know. I mean I think
Speaker 1: that there is there's the social pressure of it. So
Speaker 1: I think that once my my son is back around
Speaker 1: kids his own age who are toilet trained and not
Speaker 1: us going to pass there and things like that, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that'll that will be incentive. It's funny. At the beginning,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, I'm gonna lose weight, I'm gonna finally
Speaker 1: get my house organized. This is a great time to
Speaker 1: potty train my kids. That are done. I feel like
Speaker 1: no one is doing any of that anymore. We've all
Speaker 1: let it go. Yeah. But once I'm going to eight
Speaker 1: three year old birthday parties a weekend again, I will
Speaker 1: have more energy and more time to focus on this stuff. Same.
Speaker 1: You know how they say, if you want to get
Speaker 1: something done, ask a busy person, Right, Yeah, that's actually true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they say that. That makes me feel better.
Speaker 1: Thank um. All right, we're gonna get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. Alis and first
Speaker 1: let's tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about, Um,
Speaker 1: just the latest in the you know what, what's happening
Speaker 1: in Trump's Twitter thread about the election, Rudy Giuliani tip
Speaker 1: of the spear, very dull tip of the spear for
Speaker 1: for that whole thing. We're gonna talk about the war
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, it's back and it's coming for you Americans,
Speaker 1: talk about the Catholic Church maybe I don't know. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about out COVID nineteen themed holiday decorations, all of that,
Speaker 1: plenty more. But first, Allison, we like to ask our guest,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that is revealing
Speaker 1: about who you are? I recently searched Ski towns in Iowa,
Speaker 1: and again there's an embarrassing television reason that I searched this.
Speaker 1: I was, okay, I saw so many people tweeting about
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City that I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: now that my Nextian programming is over, what am I
Speaker 1: going to watch? I've I'm ultimately watching The Queen's Gambit
Speaker 1: and wow, her bangs are short at the beginning. But
Speaker 1: so I was watching that and then my wig it's
Speaker 1: a wig, right, Yeah? I feel like it's a wig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well on the child, not necessarily. Maybe I think they
Speaker 1: were just like, we're going to give you a stupid
Speaker 1: hair cut. But also, Anna Taylor Joy has had some
Speaker 1: weird bangs over the years. You never know, she looks
Speaker 1: she looks like byork to me. But the place that
Speaker 1: her hair starts from in the it's like far in
Speaker 1: the back, like the banks start far in the back.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it might be a wig. Um
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was distracted by the wig work in
Speaker 1: that show. Same same. I don't think they want the
Speaker 1: whigs to be upstaging their actors. Someone let them know.
Speaker 1: Uh So, anyway, We're watching Real Housewives of Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City and my husband was saying something about, like, I
Speaker 1: know that everyone loves Salt Lake City, but I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's that pretty. And then I was trying
Speaker 1: to remember. Um, so back in in a lifetime ago
Speaker 1: for me, not really that long ago, but I was
Speaker 1: a magazine journalist and I was sent to Idaho by
Speaker 1: Hallmark Magazine to write a story about It was a
Speaker 1: New Year's celebration story. It was interesting how they did it.
Speaker 1: They had like I think they cast a group of
Speaker 1: people to be friends or maybe they were sort of
Speaker 1: friends in real life, but it was cast. And then
Speaker 1: there was this like beautiful, big log cabin style house
Speaker 1: and the story was supposed to follow this group of
Speaker 1: friends and their New Year's celebration, um, and they were
Speaker 1: going to like cook. Also, it was Hallmark magazine, so
Speaker 1: it's like warm and cozy, and they which is it's
Speaker 1: not around anymore, and they were gonna like cook these
Speaker 1: various things. And then they were gonna write um New
Speaker 1: Year's plans and read them by the fire and start
Speaker 1: this annual tradition. And then I was people that the
Speaker 1: magazine cast. They cast them, but it was like their
Speaker 1: real names. Yeah, I know, it's yes. I also at
Speaker 1: the time it didn't strike me as mind boggling, but
Speaker 1: looking back, it feels mind boggling. But I do think
Speaker 1: the thing is it was a sort of small town,
Speaker 1: so while there was an element of casting, I think
Speaker 1: they also did know each other. Maybe they've been sent
Speaker 1: from the same agency or something. I don't exactly remember,
Speaker 1: but I was and I remember it being beau. It
Speaker 1: was the only time I'd been to Idaho, and I
Speaker 1: remember it being beautiful, but I couldn't remember, because I
Speaker 1: was like, was it Boise? I don't think so. And
Speaker 1: so then I searched Ski Towns in Idaho because I
Speaker 1: was trying to remember where this all was, and it
Speaker 1: was Sun Valley, Sun Valley. Did you do other work
Speaker 1: for a Hallmark magazine? I'm very I'm very confused about
Speaker 1: the like the fact that they were reality show casting
Speaker 1: a travel magazine story? Is that a thing? Travel magazine story?
Speaker 1: I just traveled to write the story. It was a
Speaker 1: story about It was like gather with your friends around
Speaker 1: the fire for here's an idea of something you could
Speaker 1: do for New Year's You could make corn bread muffins.
Speaker 1: You could make Brent's chili. Brent is the husband. You
Speaker 1: could do this. You could make like, you know, Sue
Speaker 1: Anne's hot chocolate, and while you go snowshoeing, and snowshoeing
Speaker 1: is a great activity for kids because you can and
Speaker 1: this because you can chat while you're doing it. And
Speaker 1: then as the clock strikes midnight, everyone is going to
Speaker 1: write down there new Year's resolution and then a year
Speaker 1: from now we'll all gather again and we'll read them
Speaker 1: or something. It was like a narrative, but again you
Speaker 1: can tell by the way that I'm having trouble making
Speaker 1: it sound cohesive. I don't quite remember it was, but
Speaker 1: you know, it was like sounds like a Black Mirror episode,
Speaker 1: Like it sounds very strange where you're like some piece
Speaker 1: of technology or some uh social structure is like putting
Speaker 1: you together with people who you have to do these
Speaker 1: like fun friend activities with even though you don't really
Speaker 1: know them. Where are you gonna say? I will say
Speaker 1: the idea of Now that I know that Hallmark Magazine exists,
Speaker 1: I'm so into that. I wish I could still subscribe
Speaker 1: to it. I'm looking at old covers and it's just
Speaker 1: so the autumn. It's just every every cover it's autumn.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Yeah, it's very it's a very snugly magazine. Um.
Speaker 1: I had written a I've done some music reviews for them,
Speaker 1: and I remember I described in one review I think
Speaker 1: I just I referred to the honey drenched vocals, or
Speaker 1: maybe I said dulcet tones or something like that. And
Speaker 1: then the next review of a different band, I used
Speaker 1: the phrase again and they're like you, I think I
Speaker 1: don't think it was honey drenched. I think it was
Speaker 1: dulcet tones, like you use dulcet Tones last time, Like, well,
Speaker 1: you've had me review to dolcet toned albums. So much
Speaker 1: dulcet Tones happening. It's like it's I would love to
Speaker 1: go back and read those reviews because I feel like,
Speaker 1: what kind of music were they sending you? Was it
Speaker 1: all just like Dulcet tones. It was like massage soundtracks? No,
Speaker 1: I think it was like a lot of Nora Jones
Speaker 1: sounding style. Yeah, that's the vibe. Who am I thinking
Speaker 1: of as like this is Hallmark magazine or Jones is
Speaker 1: Nara Jones is absolutely the vibe. There's also some some jazz.
Speaker 1: This isn't interesting enough for me to kill myself over
Speaker 1: trying to remember honestly, that never stops me. That's just
Speaker 1: ask anyone who listens to my podcast. I know that
Speaker 1: Elvis Costello was or is married to her. Oh Krause
Speaker 1: Crouse yeah, or wait, Diana Crawl crawl crawl, Okayison Krause,
Speaker 1: I was so on board with, like, yes, I got
Speaker 1: to look that up. I feel like she is also
Speaker 1: a singer dim and bluegrass country singer. Okay, so at
Speaker 1: least she exists, Okay, and she sounds like the vibe too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Diana Crawl is a Canadian jazz pianist that I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the Hallmark channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: And if I remember correctly, the actual Hallmark compound, I
Speaker 1: don't know if a still there. I had never been there,
Speaker 1: but like where Hallmark is headquartered, it stretches across the
Speaker 1: border of two towns, I think, and it's huge and
Speaker 1: I was always fascinated by it. That's that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I went to eBay for like some business thing a
Speaker 1: few years ago. No big deal, you know, where is
Speaker 1: this going? But no, it's like there's this trend of
Speaker 1: companies that have corporate headquarters that are like the Epcot
Speaker 1: attraction of that company's brand, Like Starbucks is the same way,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's weird. They put a lot of
Speaker 1: work into this thing that only is for people who
Speaker 1: come there on vague business things. Right, Like they refer
Speaker 1: to where they all work as their campus, yes campus
Speaker 1: what they like eBay had like a bar, but then
Speaker 1: like they I don't know, it just had a cool
Speaker 1: stuff around, just like it was like a t G
Speaker 1: a Fridays with like stuff that you could like cool
Speaker 1: stuff you got on eBay, like decorating the place. I
Speaker 1: honestly just imagined it to be like full of beanie babies.
Speaker 1: That's that to me. eBay still, well, the walls were
Speaker 1: all made of beanie babies, condensed beanie babies. I want
Speaker 1: to hear something that you might find disgusting. I purchased
Speaker 1: our duve cover and sheets off eBay because I got
Speaker 1: an idea in my head of what I wanted. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of blue and white, and I
Speaker 1: know that's very trendy right now, but I swear I've
Speaker 1: been into blue and white before everyone else climbed on board,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted a particular like like blue and
Speaker 1: white porcelain those I wanted a bedspread that looked like that,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find one, but I found one on
Speaker 1: eBay and I bought it, and it's it's really nice.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I think, how gross is it that I
Speaker 1: got something like that on eBay? Claimed that it was
Speaker 1: new but open, like it was not still sealed. But
Speaker 1: they say it was new and unused, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true. I feel like that, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's fair game. I don't know I've I've made
Speaker 1: similar eBay purchases. Maybe I'm being defensive as well, but
Speaker 1: I think I think it's I think it's fair game
Speaker 1: if it's sealed and good to go. But oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Also when people talk, people buy clothes on ebail all
Speaker 1: the time, and that's even more closer to your body. Right.
Speaker 1: The word I was looking for when I was thinking
Speaker 1: of Hallmark Magazine is like huga, that like Danish word
Speaker 1: that is like a national movement that like I feel
Speaker 1: like Hallmark Magazine should have, should still be around and
Speaker 1: just be like embrace American hugo h y g E.
Speaker 1: Reach out to me, Hallmark. I want to come to
Speaker 1: your campus. I want to consult with you on what
Speaker 1: your mags and should be. I'm looking at the Hallmark
Speaker 1: has two editions of their own Monopoly games Wow, for
Speaker 1: autumn and winter, the only two recognized months. We're a
Speaker 1: sneaky Big Hallmark podcast because we also Miles is obsessed
Speaker 1: with Hallmark holiday movies and when you talk about those
Speaker 1: quite a bit. There always I'll be scrolling through the
Speaker 1: guide and I'll see, like I'm trying to remember the
Speaker 1: description of the last one I saw. I'll look at
Speaker 1: the description and I'll look at the photo and I'll
Speaker 1: think that sounds good, and I turn it on and
Speaker 1: then I, unlike everyone else that seems I don't get
Speaker 1: sucked in. I think, no, I'm not into this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I'm also one of the only people who's
Speaker 1: ever been arrested for use of a Hallmark card, because
Speaker 1: my friends and I got when when I was like
Speaker 1: I think twelve, we sent a like those Hallmark personalized
Speaker 1: card machines like computer thing ings had just come out,
Speaker 1: and we got kicked out of a Little Caesar's and
Speaker 1: it was next door to a Hallmark, and so we
Speaker 1: went and made a personalized Hallmark card. Uh to the
Speaker 1: Little Caesar's store manager who kicked us out. I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck you, man, jerk, and gave it to him because
Speaker 1: we were bad boys. Uh, And he called the police
Speaker 1: on us, and the police came saying fuck you. And
Speaker 1: then we were also racing shopping carts in the little
Speaker 1: strip mall when they showed up, and so they said
Speaker 1: we were like being endangering people. It was I think
Speaker 1: that it was more like as Miles has described it
Speaker 1: as getting white people arrested, where they're like trying to
Speaker 1: teach you a lesson, and uh, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's funny and cute. I mean, that's a lot of effort.
Speaker 1: You went, you got to the bottom card. That's very
Speaker 1: punk rock. Yeah, very punk rock. Also, it's really hard
Speaker 1: to get kicked out of a little caesar. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: the experience, so that's pretty impressive. We're pushing each other.
Speaker 1: And one of my friends like fell and ripped something
Speaker 1: off the wall as he was falling. Um, and that
Speaker 1: will do it. That'll do it every time. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Alison? Oh okay,
Speaker 1: this doesn't cast me in a good light, but honestly,
Speaker 1: at this point, I think changing your clothes is overrated.
Speaker 1: I have felt embarrassed about the fact that I really
Speaker 1: hunkered down and embraced like two outfits. It's the same
Speaker 1: black exercise pants every day, and then it's one of
Speaker 1: two different blue T shirts, and then it's this hoodie.
Speaker 1: I think that I was wearing this last time I
Speaker 1: saw you. Um and and I did recently purchase cloth
Speaker 1: clothes to change it up for my zooms. So at
Speaker 1: least the public facing me, there's a little bit of variety,
Speaker 1: But other wise I'm basically wearing the same thing um
Speaker 1: the other. It's got to the point where I'll say
Speaker 1: to Elliott, my older son, I'll say I need to
Speaker 1: go change clothes. He goes, oh, you need to put
Speaker 1: your blue shirt on. Explained to him that there's two
Speaker 1: different blue shirts that looks one is crew neck, ones
Speaker 1: V neck. But m yeah, I just feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: so be it. It's just easy. I have a uniform.
Speaker 1: At this point, yeah, are you guys changing it up? No?
Speaker 1: I feel like and at this point, yeah, I I have.
Speaker 1: It's so weird because I feel like I or I've
Speaker 1: organized my clothes five trillion times since quarantine started. This
Speaker 1: is a nervous habit. But then I don't wear any
Speaker 1: of them there. I just wear the same three shirts
Speaker 1: and then pants, especially like shirts, I get self conscious
Speaker 1: about where I'm like, okay, I can't have the same
Speaker 1: shirt on on zoom. You know, five days at a
Speaker 1: row pants, that's a free for all. You could do none,
Speaker 1: you could do one. And I was like looking, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I forgot how that I have more
Speaker 1: than one pair of pants. I don't want to know
Speaker 1: what's going on in their lives, right, but they exist.
Speaker 1: Forgot yeah, one pants I think is the over under
Speaker 1: for me for for a given week. What is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? This might not be underrated for
Speaker 1: most people, but in my life it was underrated having
Speaker 1: the proper storage system. I am a messy person. I
Speaker 1: come from a line of messy people. As my dad
Speaker 1: said about my mom, she's the messiest person I've ever
Speaker 1: met um and she's it's not that she's slothful, she
Speaker 1: just doesn't know how to organize and doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to like purge and so I and I know, I
Speaker 1: sound like an adult blaming my mom or something. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was not her job to to pass this along
Speaker 1: to me, but somehow I just like never accrued the
Speaker 1: knowledge and then know how to be an organized person
Speaker 1: who doesn't have just clutter on like every horizontal surface.
Speaker 1: It's just a thing that I I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: my husband is not. He's also messy, but it's not
Speaker 1: as bad as me. I just don't know how to
Speaker 1: do it. But anyway, there was this article I read
Speaker 1: on the cut and it was like, here's how I
Speaker 1: organized my small bathroom. And I actually have a pretty
Speaker 1: good sized bathroom. But I bought some of the under
Speaker 1: cabinet storage drawers that she recommended, and I put them
Speaker 1: in the under the sink area, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: everything that was just a big pile of crap before
Speaker 1: is like neatly organized, and when I open it, I
Speaker 1: just feel this sense of calm wash over me, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is how people do it.
Speaker 1: My problem, in addition to hoarding too much crap, my
Speaker 1: problem is that I've just never I don't have the
Speaker 1: right shelves and drawers, Like, the right kind of storage
Speaker 1: system can make your space again, I'm saying to me,
Speaker 1: everyone knows the right kind of sources one can make
Speaker 1: your space not feel totally out of control, and I've
Speaker 1: just never done that before. One counterpoint to that is, uh, my,
Speaker 1: my wife and I are both very messy people who
Speaker 1: are very like a d D. And we have found
Speaker 1: that we have a problem with clutter from organizational products
Speaker 1: like we have we have container storeship like everywhere. We
Speaker 1: have probably thirty books about like living with a d
Speaker 1: D without like medication, Like, yeah, it can be a
Speaker 1: problem if you don't stick to it. So it is good.
Speaker 1: It's good that like really making a plan and sticking
Speaker 1: to it. As opposed to just having drawers upon drawers
Speaker 1: and like keeping the ones when they break because he
Speaker 1: bought like some cheap plastic shelving. Isn't that the most
Speaker 1: beautiful like poetry in the world When you're just like
Speaker 1: laying in a pile of depression, Books like that are
Speaker 1: just like spine uncracked and you're like any any day now. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have a book called Clutter's Last Stand that I've
Speaker 1: never opened. It is Clutter. That's a custard reference rules.
Speaker 1: Who is the audience? Just me for the check? It's
Speaker 1: just me. Someday I am going to have to go
Speaker 1: out and buy that book now, unfortunately for my household.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and talk about what's happening in the news.
Speaker 1: And we're back and the Trump, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: talk the Trump Trump. I mean, if you still follow
Speaker 1: him on Twitter? Do you guys still follow him on Twitter?
Speaker 1: I never did. He was tweeted into my timeline often
Speaker 1: and then I would or I would see people talking
Speaker 1: about something, so I would then go to his page
Speaker 1: just to see what was going on. But I never
Speaker 1: actually followed him. Yeah, I was kind of similar where
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if if I end up needing to
Speaker 1: see one of these, it'll probably show up in my feet. Anyways,
Speaker 1: as a quote tweet from someone so and so far,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've missed a damn tweet. That's the thing,
Speaker 1: is like, you don't even really need to follow him
Speaker 1: to see every single thing that he tweets at some point,
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, it's beautiful. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point, and it is beautiful. You are right about.
Speaker 1: I feel like Twitter makes certain assumptions about based on
Speaker 1: the fact that I still follow him, and therefore it's
Speaker 1: like a lower bar for his tweets to make it
Speaker 1: into whatever they're like algorithmically selected feat is that they
Speaker 1: that they give me. But I'm still seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of him just being like, we won. We're gonna win
Speaker 1: this one. We're gonna win that one. We did it, folks. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: one thing that actually made it into the news and
Speaker 1: not just was like his load of tweets, was that
Speaker 1: he actually reached out to the Michigan Election Board people
Speaker 1: who had certified the vote after saying they weren't going
Speaker 1: to certify it because they were racist, and then they
Speaker 1: attempted to rescind their certification, which seems like it should
Speaker 1: be illegal for the president of the actual United States
Speaker 1: too call like these low level like election workers and
Speaker 1: like pressure them to cheat for him in the election.
Speaker 1: Blamed or someone claimed that he just called one of
Speaker 1: them because he wanted to check on her safety after
Speaker 1: she had received threats and like either was doxed or
Speaker 1: received threats of doxing. But um, I don't think so
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like something he would do. It's so
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like that we talk about stuff
Speaker 1: like this all the time, but it's like, I guess
Speaker 1: that that is just I feel like sometimes when the
Speaker 1: Trump administration does stuff like this, you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: guess that that is a law that is worth writing down,
Speaker 1: Not like I guess we do have to write that
Speaker 1: one down. And in general, like doxing, there should be
Speaker 1: like better laws in regards to doxing people, because I
Speaker 1: feel like that I don't know so much of that
Speaker 1: kind of area of the law, which I am a
Speaker 1: genius in because I'm a lawyer. Uh uh, seems like
Speaker 1: it doesn't really I don't know. It's it's because old
Speaker 1: people write laws and old people don't know how computers work.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Uh yeah, this shouldn't be legal to do.
Speaker 1: It's like intimidation. Yes. And did they say why on
Speaker 1: like on what grounds they were rescinding their vote? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean their whole thing all along has been like
Speaker 1: the elections and like these votes are like complicated enough
Speaker 1: things that if you just like point to one like
Speaker 1: part of the process that these that the Republicans have
Speaker 1: put in place to make it so that you can
Speaker 1: make it extremely hard for people to vote, you can
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, those signatures don't match up. So
Speaker 1: that's what they're claiming. They're like, the signatures don't match right.
Speaker 1: But I mean when they voted, so they said that
Speaker 1: they're gonna not if I if I get it, this
Speaker 1: is what this is. I think the timeline they said
Speaker 1: they're gonna they aren't going to certify, and everyone was
Speaker 1: like what And then they unanimously certified, and then they
Speaker 1: tried to rescind the certification after Trump called them, right,
Speaker 1: I think, so for what reason were they going to rescind?
Speaker 1: They just change their mind. I think that's right. Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna need a little more I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need a little more of a reason than just yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's a real no giftbacks at this point, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you said that, because we have them with us
Speaker 1: on the show today, joining us from now the yeah.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like we're getting a lot of really
Speaker 1: great logic other than that initial uh, you know thing,
Speaker 1: And then they're like, actually, we thought about it again,
Speaker 1: and like the only reason the rescension was because people
Speaker 1: were being mean to us, isn't it, honey. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's something that I throughout this whole, the whole
Speaker 1: last four years, I've just realized how little do you
Speaker 1: have to offer anything that makes sense, and then if
Speaker 1: you just stand by that, people just let it slide.
Speaker 1: For example, if I want to reschedule a podcast appearance
Speaker 1: or a podcast guest, I feel like I have to
Speaker 1: offer more than just hey, Like I usually give a
Speaker 1: reason why not that, and I'm sure it's not necessary,
Speaker 1: but in general, the way I conduct my life is
Speaker 1: that I want to be rational. I want to make sense.
Speaker 1: All these things are weakness is you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not capricious, But they never offer any of that,
Speaker 1: and then they just stand by it and people just
Speaker 1: accept it. It's kind of it. Yeah, and it is
Speaker 1: bizarre to watch. I mean it's like we've been watching
Speaker 1: it for so long. But they don't give any reason
Speaker 1: for doing stuff like this, and then you just see
Speaker 1: that their base then has to justify it in real time.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh well, yeah, like they don't even say
Speaker 1: this is why I'm doing this awful thing. They're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he's probably doing this awful thing because because JP Morgan
Speaker 1: sunk the Titanic or whatever. Right, And there's also literally
Speaker 1: no stakes for them to rescind their certification because the
Speaker 1: as the Michigan Secretary of State said, uh, there is
Speaker 1: no legal mechanism for them to rescind their bout. Their
Speaker 1: job is done where we're onto the next part um
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like the whole thing seems like
Speaker 1: they're just putting threads out there just to you know,
Speaker 1: give because they know that their base is going to
Speaker 1: just like grab onto anything and make it into you know,
Speaker 1: it will pick up momentum because that is just how
Speaker 1: like his relationship with his bass work. So they can
Speaker 1: throw these threads out there. They have no legal standing. Uh.
Speaker 1: They then like they're doing a thing. Ri Giuliani, you
Speaker 1: showed up in a courtroom in Pennsylvania and like called
Speaker 1: the judge the wrong name, called the other lawyer. That
Speaker 1: angry man over there, claimed that Biden winning in eleven
Speaker 1: of the biggest cities in America was proof of fraud,
Speaker 1: even though there's like it's nobody like it would have
Speaker 1: been surprising or you know, even suspicious if he hadn't
Speaker 1: one of those cities. Uh, and then got directions to
Speaker 1: the nearest Martini bar and fucked off. And then on
Speaker 1: the way out was like like literally they were talking
Speaker 1: about where the nearest martini like best martini bar in
Speaker 1: town is him? And then Judge Um, he says all
Speaker 1: these public officials that are just like dining al fresco,
Speaker 1: it's I just wanna like, I don't know die. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to die. I do too good. I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have talked about this
Speaker 1: on the show. I was really disappointed to see those
Speaker 1: pictures of Newsom how I like Um. I know people
Speaker 1: have a lot of problems in general. I I like him,
Speaker 1: um to see those pictures of him at French laundry,
Speaker 1: and it looked like an indoor dinner with no mask
Speaker 1: like medical profession. I thought it was out I was
Speaker 1: totally cool with it. I hope it was outdoors. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was outdoors. I don't know if I read something
Speaker 1: that it was like he was getting pressure from donors
Speaker 1: who wanted access to him. You're the fucking governor, do
Speaker 1: like do you? I can't. I mean, I personally cannot
Speaker 1: stand Newsome. I just like, he's just so frustrating. But
Speaker 1: that is just it's so it is really um stunning
Speaker 1: to watch how quickly the like back to normal rhetoric
Speaker 1: is just like whatever, establishment politicians just going back on
Speaker 1: their bullshit. Like it's just it's so fucking frustrating. But
Speaker 1: then the people who are like, see, that's proof that
Speaker 1: there's nothing to worry about. Like, that's not my interpretation
Speaker 1: of it. My interpretation of it is they're willing to
Speaker 1: take a risk, but we shouldn't be taking risks because
Speaker 1: it is scary out there. My interpretation of it is
Speaker 1: that he like doesn't feel the need to play by
Speaker 1: the rules that he's setting. That's what's really frustrating me
Speaker 1: about how this is being handled in in certain states
Speaker 1: and on city levels. Is like, it's just like the whatever.
Speaker 1: The mayor of l A and the governor of the
Speaker 1: state are constantly being like, wear a mask, it's not
Speaker 1: that hard and trying to keep people's spirits up by
Speaker 1: being like we're all in this together, We've got this.
Speaker 1: But they will not take any decisive action like that.
Speaker 1: It's just like forcing it on the individual, which is
Speaker 1: just like being too cowardly to make a policy like
Speaker 1: they're just they're like, it just drives it. It drives
Speaker 1: me up a wall the way that it's just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like by his doing that, he
Speaker 1: just demonstrated that he is not willing to play like
Speaker 1: he doesn't view himself as needing to play by the
Speaker 1: own rules that he's constantly signaling undermine his message. I'm
Speaker 1: in Burbank and I get these emails. I signed up
Speaker 1: for these emails from the city, and there was one
Speaker 1: just about how you know the numbers and how there's
Speaker 1: a rise and we all need to be extra careful
Speaker 1: and they're gonna, you know, we're going back to like
Speaker 1: this level of lockdown. And they didn't use the word lockdown,
Speaker 1: but like, as such, here are the changes, and it's
Speaker 1: like you know, businesses and restaurants that operate indoors will
Speaker 1: have to cap at it like and and it's like
Speaker 1: all this all this stuff where it's like that is
Speaker 1: not gonna do it like a little more. And I
Speaker 1: know that there's a cost benefit analysis and that it's
Speaker 1: bad for businesses, and you know, I get that it's
Speaker 1: way more complicated than just me sitting here saying we
Speaker 1: need to shut down, but healthwise we do. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a body count attached to them
Speaker 1: not doing anything. It's just uh, but being failed on
Speaker 1: such a gigantic level, it's just, uh, it makes me
Speaker 1: sweaty all day. Well. One thing that I think we
Speaker 1: also have to consider, guys, is that there is a
Speaker 1: war on Thanksgiving happening. Uh. Yeah, So this was actually
Speaker 1: something a writer jam pointed out that Uh last year,
Speaker 1: there was an article in I think the Huffing and
Speaker 1: Post that was basically raising the question of like, how
Speaker 1: what is the carbon footprint of Thanksgiving? Because it's the
Speaker 1: biggest travel day of the year. People are flying all
Speaker 1: over the place. We go, we like gorge on food
Speaker 1: and then you know, fly back home. So what is
Speaker 1: that doing to the environment. Doesn't matter. And there their
Speaker 1: conclusion was like there it is. They're They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not good, but like we still do it. Uh.
Speaker 1: But so Fox and Friends last year were all over
Speaker 1: this ship. Tucker Carlson was all over it. Cancel culture
Speaker 1: has turned on the holiday Thanksgiving, telling America cancel Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: because of the carbon footprint. Uh that that's that was
Speaker 1: their analysis of that. So they have been just fucking
Speaker 1: dying for a war on Thanksgiving, like they've been creating
Speaker 1: one even when there wasn't one, when people weren't asking
Speaker 1: you not to travel on Thanksgiving. So now that we
Speaker 1: actually have a life and depth reason to not travel
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, they are aroused. Are so excited about this,
Speaker 1: they're getting frothy. Baby, They've got a fart on for
Speaker 1: the death of Thanksgiving. Yeah. So it usually obviously involves
Speaker 1: traveling across the country, congregating indoors with groups of other people,
Speaker 1: some of whom may be older. So the government is
Speaker 1: now saying like, maybe don't do that, Maybe don't travel
Speaker 1: across the country to sit in a room without masks
Speaker 1: with your elderly relatives and who they're mad, I'm mad
Speaker 1: about this even even Mississippi issued a statement where the
Speaker 1: Mississippi Free Press posted a thing from their government saying,
Speaker 1: after big Thanksgiving dinners, plans, small Christmas funerals, health experts worn.
Speaker 1: Which I appreciate that coming from Mississippi. Um, but how
Speaker 1: exciting from like an ad copy standpoint that they can
Speaker 1: come up with something so clever and so sinked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to Mississippi. Uh. But turning point USA is
Speaker 1: Charlie kirk Um. You know, I was very excited to
Speaker 1: address this. He did look like a divorced father who
Speaker 1: was incredibly hungover in the in the video where he
Speaker 1: was addressing it. But he said, the left hates Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: because they think there's nothing you should be thankful for
Speaker 1: in America. They're using the virus as an excuse not
Speaker 1: to be thankful, uh, which I don't know, it's ridiculous. Sorry.
Speaker 1: He also said that Thanksgiving is a religious holiday where
Speaker 1: we thank God. That is not my understanding of it. No,
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird celebration of American colonialism. That's
Speaker 1: not a religion. Well, I mean I guess for some
Speaker 1: people it is, but like that's I think it's a
Speaker 1: passion for something thing yeah. Um. But going back to that,
Speaker 1: having to post article from a while ago where they
Speaker 1: were looking at the carbon footprint of Thanksgiving and what
Speaker 1: they realized was like, like you said, it's travel, that's
Speaker 1: like the the biggest footprint. If I were a Turkey,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hello, what about us? It's not the
Speaker 1: travel about this massacre. So I say that as someone
Speaker 1: who does eat turkey, but I don't feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Monster it is. It is like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like, at least we have some idea of how
Speaker 1: this argument is going to be framed. Because the war
Speaker 1: on Christmas media has been going on for so long,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they just have pivoted to a different holiday.
Speaker 1: But it is it is so like bizarre that I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the arguments are framed like, well,
Speaker 1: everyone on the left hates their family and love and
Speaker 1: America here a Disease's Um, it is a hoax, obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: but just honestly, it's just a way that they can
Speaker 1: micro chip us all and sterilize us. Because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to have help saying that for a long time. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're going to punch you in the face and give
Speaker 1: you a bloody nose because you aren't doing the micro
Speaker 1: chipping and then they're gonna send you to heaven. Uh. Context,
Speaker 1: it's how they talk. Yeah, I mean we we talked
Speaker 1: about how Kayleie mcnahey was saying that it's Orwellian to
Speaker 1: ask people not to gather in large groups over the holiday.
Speaker 1: Fox Fox Business host Charles Paine called Cuomo's gathering restrictions
Speaker 1: a separation of families just as like an actual like
Speaker 1: fuck you too. Yeah. Um, By the way, how is
Speaker 1: that I have read everything in Orwell's body of work,
Speaker 1: but how is saying not to gather with your family
Speaker 1: or Willian? Like? Did that happen in any of his books?
Speaker 1: I don't. There's a lot that these Orwellian, but I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think preserving holiday gatherings was or
Speaker 1: I don't think we're well tackled that. I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be caught dead reading a book, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that doesn't sound like it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be reading Andrew Cuomo's book, just kidding.
Speaker 1: Do you see that he's writing a book? It's out?
Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah, I think it just got replaced
Speaker 1: about how he successfully managed the pandemic that is still
Speaker 1: going on. Leadership in the time of COVID. It's his
Speaker 1: sequel to Love in the time of cholera, where you
Speaker 1: just serve finished the fucking job you before you cash
Speaker 1: in on it. I hate everybody. Well, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: form of magical realism. I guess um. Laura Ingram is claiming,
Speaker 1: I don't know why why am I continuing to because
Speaker 1: it's so odious what they're saying. It's so silly and ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and and they're all saying basically the same thing, and
Speaker 1: the followers are eating it up. And actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's so basic this thing of like the
Speaker 1: way that you get people to follow you is you
Speaker 1: make them believe that they are being persecuted and that
Speaker 1: someone is trying to take away their freedom and their
Speaker 1: way of life. And they're all following this playbook and
Speaker 1: it's working and it's gross. Yeah, it is working though.
Speaker 1: I mean, she did nailis because she pointed out that
Speaker 1: we worship at the altar of Fauci, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have set up your altars yet
Speaker 1: for the Thanksgiving holiday, but I have one in each room,
Speaker 1: have set up some yeah, some candles and just a
Speaker 1: picture of him shirtless. Photoshop work is uh, but in
Speaker 1: the hours. So one thing jam a writer who is
Speaker 1: from Canada, pointed out is that Canada celebrates Thanksgiving in October,
Speaker 1: so we've already had a North American Thanksgiving under our belt.
Speaker 1: And there was a spike in COVID cases afterwards that
Speaker 1: people think, uh might be the reason because people were
Speaker 1: traveling and going to see family on Thanksgiving. Interesting theory.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's anything to it. M hmm, if
Speaker 1: only there was some way to know. Yes, yes, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about Christmas decoration. And we're back and Jamie, um,
Speaker 1: I noticed on Twitter that you've been You tweeted a
Speaker 1: truly cursed Christmas tree ornament. Then I I can't believe exists.
Speaker 1: And and you are telling me that there are more
Speaker 1: of these, is what I'm bothering. So this year is uh,
Speaker 1: my first year living with my partner and living in
Speaker 1: a place that a Christmas tree could sort of fit.
Speaker 1: I like have been shopping for like a fake apartment
Speaker 1: de sized Christmas tree so that is how I came
Speaker 1: across these ornaments. It appears that thousands of them have
Speaker 1: been sold. Uh, and they're all about I'm going to
Speaker 1: drop some of them into the chat and then just
Speaker 1: kind of describe them. But just keep in mind for
Speaker 1: people listening that every word I'm about to say is
Speaker 1: in a different font and uh, and and that it's
Speaker 1: accompanied by a cute little clip art. As you get
Speaker 1: my first one, it says twenty it's and I have
Speaker 1: to imagine this has to be the size of a
Speaker 1: dinner plate because it says so many things. It says,
Speaker 1: shop online, wash those hands clean and organized? What day
Speaker 1: is it? Binge? Watching zoom? What's your temp? That one's sinister,
Speaker 1: stay home or upside pickup home workouts survived? The TP
Speaker 1: shortage that is also very harped on is the t
Speaker 1: P shortage. Face masks flatten, the curve, YouTube game Nights
Speaker 1: and my you tube Glenn, And then it just says
Speaker 1: global pandemic. And that's an ornament you can put on
Speaker 1: your tree if you And then there here's another one.
Speaker 1: They're all sorry real quick is what is design tube?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that some new thing that the pandemic
Speaker 1: gave us you Tube. So as the designer of these ornaments,
Speaker 1: I'm really hoping we can get some organic interest in
Speaker 1: the in the parent market in YouTube via these ornaments.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping we can really get everyone excited about
Speaker 1: YouTube right in time for the holidame. Can I just
Speaker 1: say how much I hate this? I mean, I just
Speaker 1: couldn't hate it more. I hate that they're making. They're like,
Speaker 1: this is like the but first coffee of a global
Speaker 1: pandemic with death. It's so it's like this is like
Speaker 1: something you'd make of with like inside jokes from your
Speaker 1: family reunion. In this is making a bar. That's the
Speaker 1: funt game being delivered here. It's very like wine o'clock
Speaker 1: kind of graphics design. Uh So, the next one is
Speaker 1: says a year to remember. This one's formatted like a checklist,
Speaker 1: but there is a lot of clip art. A year
Speaker 1: to remember toilet paper shortage check, bask wearing check, hand
Speaker 1: sanitizer check, drive by parties check, herbside pickup, work from
Speaker 1: home quarantine, travel band so distancing online school sports canceled
Speaker 1: and worldwide pandemic check. And then this is it looks
Speaker 1: like zero zero, So who can remember? Who can forget zo.
Speaker 1: I hate this too. The last one I'd like to
Speaker 1: share is uh maybe the worst one. It's it's the
Speaker 1: twelve Days of coronavirus. In so it Allison is actually
Speaker 1: physically getting illed. I won't I won't saying the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but it goes you can, Okay, Okay, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've set myself up for this. I did. I was
Speaker 1: just cackling when I because they're all on like the
Speaker 1: best selling ornaments, Like they're like, these are the top ones.
Speaker 1: A lot of people that are going to have these
Speaker 1: dregs of man No, they're like the top. Okay, so
Speaker 1: on the twelve the twelve Days of Christmas Corona gave
Speaker 1: to me is what we're Yeah, the pandemic gave to me.
Speaker 1: Twelve canceled plans, eleven face masks, ten sanitizers, murder horn
Speaker 1: nine murder hornets, eight zoom call, seven mental breakdown six
Speaker 1: feet apart. That's the five curbside pick up, four quarantines,
Speaker 1: three travel restrictions to Karen's complaining, and a message shortage
Speaker 1: of TP. It's a real that's a really bold move
Speaker 1: to say two Karents complaining for an ornament that is
Speaker 1: clearly big marketed at Karen's. Yeah, like self aware Karen's.
Speaker 1: So those are yeah, those are the most cursed coronavirus
Speaker 1: themed ornaments. Um they are. They are topping the charts
Speaker 1: on Jeff Bezos his little experiment and yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: they're the worship I've ever seen. But they're all all
Speaker 1: three of those are in the top ten right now.
Speaker 1: Now is he the YouTube guy? I think he's managed
Speaker 1: to get to YouTube. I think he should probably serve
Speaker 1: the channel though I think it would be very well received.
Speaker 1: These are all like if there was a conversation starters
Speaker 1: for dummies like, these are all like how about the
Speaker 1: murder hornets? Already imagining a scenario where I discovered that
Speaker 1: someone I like has these ornaments. I mean I'm buying
Speaker 1: all of them. Okay, I don't know. I don't presume
Speaker 1: to say you'd like me, but these will all be
Speaker 1: on my Christmas tree I have. I have found all
Speaker 1: three of these off of Amazon. Um, if you're not
Speaker 1: if you're not doing Amazon, you can still get these
Speaker 1: hideous ornaments. And I feel like I'm going to get one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out just as like a relic
Speaker 1: not as I'm not even gonna hang it up. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna put it in a drawer and then someday
Speaker 1: my children will be like, what's that and I'll have
Speaker 1: to sing that song to them. Why do you think
Speaker 1: YouTube it's on that one? Just I'm just I know
Speaker 1: this is not the most the silliest thing. Why did
Speaker 1: they just find out about YouTube during the pandemic? Do
Speaker 1: you think? Well, as the graphic designer, I just learned
Speaker 1: about YouTube earlier this year, and so it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a big year for me and YouTube. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna describe this one, but there's there's
Speaker 1: just so many there's so many fonts and YouTube is
Speaker 1: uh not, there's more not the YouTube plont but there's
Speaker 1: more than one ornament that says YouTube on it, as
Speaker 1: as if we were all as if we've all agreed
Speaker 1: on this. I don't. I don't quite get it. Did
Speaker 1: they be the idea is like you finally have time
Speaker 1: to stay home and watch YouTube like we've always dreamed.
Speaker 1: But there do they think that that's what people who
Speaker 1: are doing? Do they think TikTok is YouTube? Oh? Is
Speaker 1: TikTok YouTube? How do we how would we ever know?
Speaker 1: There's no way to tell you, guys, that's actually a
Speaker 1: good call. The font situation in the one you just
Speaker 1: sent is awful, like many Essential Workers is in a
Speaker 1: like horror movie font um virtual learning just the use
Speaker 1: of white spain. And I'm not a graphic designer at all,
Speaker 1: but the use of white space under virtual learning is
Speaker 1: very upsetting to me. I hate this one. I hate
Speaker 1: the most, just aesthetics face masks. There's too many Sarah's happening.
Speaker 1: It's very thermometer isn't first of all, it just is
Speaker 1: thermometer in unreadable cursive. Wait where's that? I just sent
Speaker 1: a there's so many thermometer? And what about these thermometers?
Speaker 1: I think that's one that even like the worst like
Speaker 1: conversation starter attempt like would still be like, what huh
Speaker 1: right about this year? Right with the uh the thermometer? Right,
Speaker 1: you know? And these essential workers? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: It's brutal? Is that? Does that a birthday parade? Birthday? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think very bad job of writing parade that is
Speaker 1: like that is a nightmare. I think the horror font
Speaker 1: that says essential workers is just straight up offensive. That's
Speaker 1: really that one is a bad one. They didn't do
Speaker 1: it in a I hadn't even noticed that, Like, but
Speaker 1: it is a total that yeah, like someone wrote that
Speaker 1: in blood on a mirror. Yeah. Um, I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: I showed these to you, but I couldn't keep the
Speaker 1: fact that someone somewhere is making a ton of money
Speaker 1: off making these hideous ornaments. And uh, and people seem
Speaker 1: to be on board. If you've purchased one of these ornaments,
Speaker 1: reach out to me. I mean, this is I'm sure
Speaker 1: there will be like more professionally designed and like work
Speaker 1: chopped covid ornaments coming at us, But this just feels
Speaker 1: like the the internet writ large, like people who use
Speaker 1: who do their graphic design in Microsoft work like found
Speaker 1: this shortage before anybody else and was like okay, and
Speaker 1: now everyone's like must buy and so gus such a
Speaker 1: sinister market. I know, it's it's so funny that this is.
Speaker 1: People are so desperate for this stuff, they're just eating
Speaker 1: it up. When I was a kid, I was very
Speaker 1: very into Michael Jackson. I did I don't think it
Speaker 1: well knew yet that he was problematic. Um, but this
Speaker 1: was yet, you know, ages before that, and we were
Speaker 1: going to not Berry Farm and I had something that
Speaker 1: was sort of popular among crafty people at the time,
Speaker 1: which was a button maker. You could make your own buttons,
Speaker 1: and it was like the button makers have come a
Speaker 1: long way, but at this point there was like all
Speaker 1: these different layers of like you do the paper and
Speaker 1: then the backing and the plastic, and then you had
Speaker 1: to pull this crank um to put it all together,
Speaker 1: which I was not strong enough to do. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Yeah, So I made all these
Speaker 1: Michael jack because I was like, I want I'm going
Speaker 1: Tonotsberry Farm and I want to display my love of
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. So I made all these homemade Michael Jackson. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know it could be anywhere, this homemade Michael Jackson buttons,
Speaker 1: thinking that I was original. And then I got there
Speaker 1: and there were all these cool, older teenagers with their
Speaker 1: professional Listen, if you were going to Notsberry Farm at
Speaker 1: this time and you liked Michael Jackson, you had to
Speaker 1: wear buttons. I didn't know that. I thought i'd invent.
Speaker 1: Then there was all these older, cool teenagers with their
Speaker 1: professional store bought Michael Jackson buttons, and my homemade Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson buttons to their store bought ones? Are these ornaments
Speaker 1: to look? Yeah? Yeah, I mean these are I need
Speaker 1: to own these? Like these are these are the good ones?
Speaker 1: These are the ones that you're going to be like
Speaker 1: bragging that you have. Don't wait for the smooth, the shiny, fancy.
Speaker 1: There's establishment, there's like there's like the resin ones where
Speaker 1: Santa's holding a sack full of cleaning supplies and like
Speaker 1: there's it's but those are those are no fun. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of Rudolph in a mask, Santa in a mask,
Speaker 1: Snoopy in a mask, the Grinch in a mask. Really
Speaker 1: every sinister christ Christmas property they haven't in a mask
Speaker 1: on an ornament for twenty dollars. But the best part
Speaker 1: about these horrible ornaments is that they all cost four
Speaker 1: dollars because at least they're like self aware. What are
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson? Was it? Alison? Uh? This was thriller? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got some to Michael Jackson during the Bad era
Speaker 1: that my friend and I did a concert where we
Speaker 1: lip syncd lip lip sync lip synced to the Bad
Speaker 1: album and invited all our neighbors over and were they
Speaker 1: into it? Nor seven? And they like were actively like unimpressed.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this is why are you making us
Speaker 1: watch this? Anyways, we're having a reunion concert coming up,
Speaker 1: so people will want the Wow. We should do it virtually.
Speaker 1: People need that during this time more than ever. Go on, Jack,
Speaker 1: here's an idea. Go on YouTube and stream it there.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people catching on. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are catching on. Hell yeah, Alison. It's
Speaker 1: been a pleasure as always having you on the daily Zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you? Uh? Follow me
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Alison Rosen. Just one L
Speaker 1: and an I so a L I s O n Rosen. Um.
Speaker 1: Listen to my podcast, Allison Rosen is your new best friend,
Speaker 1: uh guest on Monday. It comes out Monday and Thursday.
Speaker 1: And on Monday I'll have Tim Hideker uh and I'm
Speaker 1: putting my the Monday shows now on YouTube. So YouTube
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Speaker 1: basing myself worth on that subscriber number and it's not
Speaker 1: doing well right now, my self worth that is. And
Speaker 1: then also my parenting ish podcast that I do with
Speaker 1: comedian Greg fitz Simmons is called Childish, So go check
Speaker 1: out both of those. Nice. Is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes?
Speaker 1: Can I plug one more thing of mine? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: thank you? Sorry. I have a book out. It is
Speaker 1: called Tropical Attire, Encouraged and other phrases that scare me.
Speaker 1: And it's just essays, funny essays. Um okay. So a
Speaker 1: tweet that I've been enjoying. It's by Eden Dranger and
Speaker 1: it says this is a pro hot dog account. If
Speaker 1: you don't like hot dogs, fuck you. And I don't
Speaker 1: even like hot dogs. I just appreciate the sixcinct sentiment.
Speaker 1: Just it cracked me up. I love I love a
Speaker 1: hard stance on a on a non topic. Yes, that
Speaker 1: is kind of what my So the Monday show is
Speaker 1: an interview on my show, and the the Thursday show was
Speaker 1: like a panel group show and it really is just
Speaker 1: talking about like mynu sha and having opinions about it.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah yeah, Jamie. Where can people find you? What's
Speaker 1: a tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jamie loft as help, Instagram at Jamie
Speaker 1: Cray Superstar. My new podcast, Lolita Podcast, comes out on Monday.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that tomorrow, I think, And I'm
Speaker 1: going to shout out it's my best friend's birthday today
Speaker 1: and she has an amazing Twitter account, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: shout out her entire account in general. Her name is
Speaker 1: Julia Claire at oh Julia tweets. The tweet I will
Speaker 1: choose is her tweet that says, once again find myself
Speaker 1: thinking about my favorite headline of all time. And it's
Speaker 1: a Fox News story that says society is creating a
Speaker 1: new crop of alpha women who are unable to love
Speaker 1: almost god. Um foxes fast right, all right, let's see
Speaker 1: a tweet I've been enjoying a tweeted getting bored of
Speaker 1: six and nine and four twenty. They should release new
Speaker 1: funny numbers tonight. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore Brian. You can find us on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: He has a new album out set is so good,
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