Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one fifty nine,
Speaker 1: Episode five of Jo Days eight Guys to production by
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's share consciousness. It's Friday, November, uh,
Speaker 1: sixty eight days until January. Very nice. I also just
Speaker 1: like the number sixty eight. No no reason h My
Speaker 1: name is Jack. Not a fan, Yeah, not a fan.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien a K. Michael Jack Donald
Speaker 1: of the Mountain Doobie Brothers. That is courtesy if Christie
Speaker 1: Mucci Man and I'm thrilled to be joined as always
Speaker 1: by my co host, Mr Miles Ground. When you go, Go,
Speaker 1: Go go, I know it'll finally end. It'll finally in
Speaker 1: all the tweets that you used to say, all the
Speaker 1: prison terms are your friends, all the crooks that you
Speaker 1: used to know have gone out the window. All the
Speaker 1: thise that you used to spread, all the space you
Speaker 1: took you in my head, all the constit doume scroll
Speaker 1: threads have gone out the window. Okay. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Secretary of Interior Cheekye Sanders on the discord with that
Speaker 1: sugar ay ak back in my head all week like
Speaker 1: as really Yeah, as the as Trump lost the election,
Speaker 1: I kept hearing when it's over that part of the
Speaker 1: song in my head. Yeah, yeah, you should have been
Speaker 1: in Sugar Ray Man. I could see you in Sugar
Speaker 1: Ray Bro. I've been saying that for years. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Go to the Saint Francis de Sales Carnival in Sherman Oaks, California.
Speaker 1: Mark McGrath is there every year. You ever needed cross
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Speaker 1: cocaine I've ever seen somebody on on TV was his
Speaker 1: appearance on The Wendy Williams Show. It's worth worth finding.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to find, but if you do find it,
Speaker 1: it's an incredible Yeah. I don't know. I ended up
Speaker 1: using in a in a episode of that YouTube show,
Speaker 1: The Spittake, so you might be able to find it there,
Speaker 1: but it was really hard to find back then, and
Speaker 1: it was like an early two thousand clip. But he
Speaker 1: is more than fucking Flying Man, more than Chris Klein
Speaker 1: and the Mama Mia audition. Well, the mom and Me
Speaker 1: audition was not live national TV. That's true, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: private moment. Yeah. Um, all right, we are going to
Speaker 1: tell the listeners. A couple of things we're talking about,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to know our guest. Uh. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Trump's definition of landslide, how that has
Speaker 1: been changing. We're gonna talk about his war with Fox.
Speaker 1: The Golden Goose is going to war with Fox, he
Speaker 1: termed himself. The Trump Cringe Brigade is here to rescue him.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about just generally Fox News is kind
Speaker 1: of weird, cognitive dissonance. What we do to lock dumb
Speaker 1: narcissists out of power going forward, if there is anything
Speaker 1: we can do. Talk about Mountain Dew product placement on
Speaker 1: Prestige TV. And I am excited to talk about the
Speaker 1: c m A S. I had missed the Country Music
Speaker 1: Awards for the year running, but it apparently was a
Speaker 1: real spectacle, uh and very political in its attempt to
Speaker 1: be a politically imagine the chewing through their own lips
Speaker 1: these people were doing. But before we get to any
Speaker 1: of that, we are thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 1: third seat by the hilarious, the talented Sarah Shaefer. I's
Speaker 1: how are you? Oh, It's good to be with you
Speaker 1: all again, Although sad to not be there in person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is agree. What's new? What's new, Sarah? What's new
Speaker 1: over there for you? This is all new. I just moved.
Speaker 1: Well that's not new stuff, but it's new. It's art
Speaker 1: wall placement. A one still working it out, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I do like it the like the pieces are kind
Speaker 1: of fit together like a puzzle. Uh. That's that's my
Speaker 1: favorite kind of art wall placement. Gallery. Yeah, wall which
Speaker 1: I used to just be like when I moved into
Speaker 1: like my first place as a young person. That was
Speaker 1: just my excuse to not have a laser level or
Speaker 1: anything that can Actually I'm like, no, it's gonna have
Speaker 1: a gallery wall field where I'm just gonna have to
Speaker 1: actually throw them all up, you know, the impressions. It's
Speaker 1: all about how it makes you feel. Um, right to
Speaker 1: you it looks like a gallery. Correct, Well, then it's
Speaker 1: it's achieved it, that's right, Uh, Sarah. What is something
Speaker 1: from your search history that is revealing about who you
Speaker 1: are or where you are? What's your cross stitch? Graph? Paper?
Speaker 1: Crossed it the last thing I googled that wasn't private
Speaker 1: medical stuff? So what do you use cross stitch? Is
Speaker 1: that like to make a template? And then yeah, so
Speaker 1: here's It's good that that came up because I am
Speaker 1: surrounded by this stuff right now. How did it get
Speaker 1: in my house? This cross states graph paper? Okay, So
Speaker 1: here's a blank piece of cross stitch graph paper and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh and so it's much much smaller than
Speaker 1: regular graph paper that you would get, which I do
Speaker 1: have some here as well. This is a regular piece
Speaker 1: of graph paper, okay from yeah, and then I use
Speaker 1: it to space out stitching that I'm going to do
Speaker 1: so I can center it properly. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: little preview. Um, this says I miss you, marry miss
Speaker 1: mus This says wear a mask, dumbass as their ornaments
Speaker 1: I'm making and they go in like a little hoop.
Speaker 1: And I have an etc. Shop. So um, they'll be
Speaker 1: going up for sale soon. But oh yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I do that every I do. Like Christmas, I sell
Speaker 1: stuff you're around, but I don't do new items usually
Speaker 1: until around the holidays, and um, I do it for
Speaker 1: fun and then the money that I make just goes
Speaker 1: back to my supplies. Now, are you like the Country
Speaker 1: Music Awards? Do you cater to both sides? Do you
Speaker 1: have another one that's like, don't wear a mask people, Right, No,
Speaker 1: I don't have those, um. And actually I'm curious because
Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit, I made a cross stitch of
Speaker 1: the coronavirus, the actual like molecule, and then I like
Speaker 1: typed something like remember in November, which we did, UM,
Speaker 1: and I stitched that on and I sold it was
Speaker 1: just a one off piece and I sold it and
Speaker 1: I tried to sell it and Etsy took it down
Speaker 1: because this was the beginning of I've never had an
Speaker 1: item taken down by Etsy, and they were like, we
Speaker 1: do not allow the sale of things, um that could
Speaker 1: profit off of a pandemic or there was a lot
Speaker 1: of like masks in the beginning, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of misinformation about like what's a proper mask, and like
Speaker 1: can we sell masks? You know? Is that stuff that
Speaker 1: should be reserved for you know, there was I think
Speaker 1: it's probably fine to sell something that says wear a mask.
Speaker 1: Now beginning they were being really so I'm curious if um,
Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, I have sold all kinds of
Speaker 1: other stuff that with curse words and things, so like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that they censor. I think they were
Speaker 1: just like trying to avoid They were being overly cautious
Speaker 1: by just searching for the word covid or coronavirus and
Speaker 1: like taking all that stuff down because I think some
Speaker 1: some people are like trying to sell like this crystal
Speaker 1: will help you, um not get coronavirus ship like that,
Speaker 1: so um mass are made of loose loose yarn um.
Speaker 1: But I have a good idea of my protection crystals
Speaker 1: in my top pocket. So yeah, I am good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really not the loose yarn either. Jacket keep telling
Speaker 1: you it's just a bunch of loose hair you keep
Speaker 1: falling up, consisting as a mask. But I tight it,
Speaker 1: I roll it together little balls it does. I don't
Speaker 1: even breathe it in anymore and cough. Yeah, yeah it's
Speaker 1: good for you. Yeah. Do you like the cross stitching
Speaker 1: thing like as a like obviously it's the hobby. Is
Speaker 1: it the creativity aspect that appeals to you or is
Speaker 1: it the like you get lost in like a flow
Speaker 1: state of like giving all of your concentration to It's
Speaker 1: all of that, and it's I've always liked making things
Speaker 1: with my hands, you know, like and especially things that
Speaker 1: are repetitive so that you're just detailed. I really like
Speaker 1: because it forces you to concentrate and focus and not
Speaker 1: here you're the demons in your head that are trying
Speaker 1: to ruin your life. Um so, um yeah, I like
Speaker 1: I've always liked doing I used to crochet, which is
Speaker 1: a similar like repetitive detailed counting. I like counting, um um,
Speaker 1: but that was like too like when I lived in
Speaker 1: New York City, it was like too big to carry
Speaker 1: like a blanket onto the I mean people would do it,
Speaker 1: but I would see people with like huge blankets, like
Speaker 1: crocheting on the subway and I'll be like, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: um So I would usually do patchwork stuff where I
Speaker 1: make squares and then sew those together later. But but then, um,
Speaker 1: eventually I moved back to cross it because that was
Speaker 1: something that I used to do when I was young,
Speaker 1: and I like got back into it, and now I'm
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. I mean, there's such a thin line between, like,
Speaker 1: you know, all these different things. It's like they're putting
Speaker 1: together things that exist elsewhere, like in terms of like
Speaker 1: team building things for like work and branding is a
Speaker 1: thing in fraternities, and you know, like uh, and then
Speaker 1: the multi level marketing thing is pretty fucking uh. You
Speaker 1: know that that exists out there in legal forms, like
Speaker 1: I think my parents were in in one, like at
Speaker 1: one and like the Avon thing, you know, selling all
Speaker 1: of our shampoo smelled like ship for a couple of
Speaker 1: years because my parents like bought a big bought like
Speaker 1: something this Luca I think it was called. My parents
Speaker 1: did something called new Skin um, which was like Icelandic
Speaker 1: mud masks and like skin products from Iceland. Iceland, I
Speaker 1: guess that is how you say it. But um um
Speaker 1: the land of Ice and um. It was made me
Speaker 1: even as a teenager. I mean it was in a
Speaker 1: really crazy time in my life, so everything was awkward
Speaker 1: and scary at the time. But like, um, I remember
Speaker 1: just feeling like already knowing how does this work? Like
Speaker 1: this isn't going to work out for us, Like I
Speaker 1: can tell you're not going to make money off of this, Like, um,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the berries. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: one thing. I have a book out called Grand check
Speaker 1: it out anywhere books are sold. Um, and it's a
Speaker 1: memoir and I mentioned New Skin and um. When you
Speaker 1: write a memoir, they have at the very end of
Speaker 1: the process, they'll have like the legal team. We'll read
Speaker 1: do what's called a lead will read of the book
Speaker 1: and they will have a conversation with you about any
Speaker 1: places in the book where you might be vulnerable to
Speaker 1: being sued. And when they say you, they mean them
Speaker 1: like they don't give a ship. They do they care
Speaker 1: about you, but like but they're they're looking out for
Speaker 1: themselves too, but they're like, here's the places where you're vulnerable.
Speaker 1: And we talked about like the people in the book,
Speaker 1: and like I was like, oh, my dad's find with
Speaker 1: everything that I said about him, and they're like, okay, good.
Speaker 1: And then they were like okay, so besides that, really
Speaker 1: nothing except the way you described New Skin. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were like we don't want that. We don't want problems
Speaker 1: with them, right, So I guess I I mean, I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, the detail, the attention to detail that
Speaker 1: you gave this made me feel like confident, you know
Speaker 1: that they had done a thorough job. But like I
Speaker 1: mentioned New Skin like in one paragraph, like I didn't
Speaker 1: even spend time on it, but I said it was
Speaker 1: a pyramid scheme and they were like, actually they went
Speaker 1: to court over it, and the Core did not rule
Speaker 1: them to be a pyramid scheme. So technically you can't
Speaker 1: call them that unless you're vulnerable to being sued. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so I just also you have
Speaker 1: to mention their age revitalizing properties and how They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't Yeah, we don't like pyramid scheme. We like
Speaker 1: a geometric structure where triangular shapes converge at a single
Speaker 1: step at the top scheme. Um. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 1: an interesting like I was like, oh right, Like they
Speaker 1: actually had worked this out in court so that if
Speaker 1: I was to say it, it could potentially be easily
Speaker 1: proven that I was committing like libel or you know,
Speaker 1: so uh new skin. They've got eyes everywhere their skin,
Speaker 1: that's new skin. They're so lititious, they go after everywhere.
Speaker 1: They're they're everywhere. They're probably behind you right now. What
Speaker 1: is what something you think is overrated? Uh? Um? Oh
Speaker 1: wait was underrated? First? Yeah? Oh so underrated? I guess
Speaker 1: I funked that up a little. Wait was the vowel overrated?
Speaker 1: The vowel was overrated? But I was like, is it
Speaker 1: because people have criticized it so much? So we've had
Speaker 1: that conversation. Is what you can or you can or
Speaker 1: you can just do this set up differently or you
Speaker 1: just overrated. I don't know. I think it's fine how
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know even what my oh okay,
Speaker 1: so overrated was the vowel? The vow is overrated for
Speaker 1: the record, for the record, underrated? Um is my book? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, self learning to self promote, learning to
Speaker 1: be assertive, confident in your own work. I'm because we
Speaker 1: talked about this, Sarah before we went on. We're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to talk about your book,
Speaker 1: but you what, you went ahead and bulldozed right in. Well, look, um,
Speaker 1: when you write a book, you know they'll ask you
Speaker 1: questions like we were over a year ago. They were
Speaker 1: like my team, My team was like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we were trying to decide when should the book come out.
Speaker 1: This is before we knew there would be a pandemic,
Speaker 1: and you know, but they were like, you don't want
Speaker 1: it to come out fall of because it's near an
Speaker 1: election and it's a crazy one and there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of books that are going to overshadow your chances.
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, so do you care about
Speaker 1: getting on the New York Times bestseller list? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I mean yeah, Like I wouldn't want that.
Speaker 1: I mean, now, do you care about that? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: was like, what do I care? And my my agent went, well,
Speaker 1: some people don't some authors don't care. And I was
Speaker 1: like those people are lying they care more. Are they
Speaker 1: so wealthy that they just write books to kill? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was like electric, Yeah, of course I care. I
Speaker 1: was like, I know it's a really long shot, Like
Speaker 1: I know it's really hard to get on it, but like,
Speaker 1: why would I do anything to make it harder? So
Speaker 1: we have decided to put the book out in August.
Speaker 1: So in putting a book out, you have to at
Speaker 1: once be incredibly delusional about it. You have to be like,
Speaker 1: we're going all the way, baby, Oprah Book Club, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, nine times bestseller. Let's do it. Let's put
Speaker 1: everything that's going to be in every hotel bedside stand
Speaker 1: in the country. Yeah, Hutson News, baby, Like, let's do
Speaker 1: it like everywhere. You know, Um, you gotta put everything
Speaker 1: you can into it because books are so hard to sell.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, you have to go,
Speaker 1: no one is going to buy this book, No one
Speaker 1: buys books. Get your ship together, be realistic. So like
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like my book. Um, I've had
Speaker 1: an incredible positive response, but like I didn't get any
Speaker 1: of those big things, and so my mind, it's underrated,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm so proud of it. Like I
Speaker 1: I've put out so many things into the world over
Speaker 1: the years, TV show, podcast, writing, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: I've done it all, but this is my masterpiece. Like
Speaker 1: I have never made anything this good, and I it's
Speaker 1: so it feels so good to feel so confident in something,
Speaker 1: and like I know that some people may not like it,
Speaker 1: Like that's totally fine with me. I don't give a ship,
Speaker 1: but I know that I did something that to my
Speaker 1: standards is like I couldn't be more proud of it.
Speaker 1: I've never worked so hard on anything in my life.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm like, it'll never be it will
Speaker 1: always be underrated until you know, like some big thing
Speaker 1: the pre yess Kanye confidence. That's right, that's right. Um,
Speaker 1: what what is the book about. It's a memoir, it's um.
Speaker 1: It follows me on a trip I did into the
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon, an eight day whitewater rafting trip down two
Speaker 1: of all around the river. And then I'm like remembering
Speaker 1: episodes from my life and kind of like the journey
Speaker 1: that led me up to this trip. It's a lot
Speaker 1: about anxiety and forgiveness, and it's it's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: comedian and so it's not what you would expect from
Speaker 1: a typical comedian. Um, it's definitely like got some depth
Speaker 1: to it, and it'll make you cry as well as laugh. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's my favorite type of work to do. So um,
Speaker 1: it's all of me in there. It's very vulnerable and
Speaker 1: real and and and I've heard it's a breeze to read.
Speaker 1: And you touch on new skin in there too. Then
Speaker 1: you talk about so if you're a new skin head,
Speaker 1: oh no, since Biden became president, if you've been radicalized,
Speaker 1: this book is for you. Yeah. Um. And what's the
Speaker 1: name of the book? Grand? Grand? Alright, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I hear it's compulsively readable. Hold on, you think
Speaker 1: I'm not ready for this? Bang there it is with notes,
Speaker 1: So someone's got someone's got notes picked out. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I had to do a virtual book tour rely
Speaker 1: a nightmare, Like I hated it so much because it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, if you go on a tour
Speaker 1: of any kind book tour, uh, um, have you guys
Speaker 1: ever done a tour, You should do a tour. We were,
Speaker 1: we were, we were, We were flying internationally up until
Speaker 1: like the last week before a lockdown, and I was
Speaker 1: like smoking joints with like fifty hundred people at the
Speaker 1: end of every show, right before the pandemic came. I
Speaker 1: was like this, okay, yeah, but we've done a tour,
Speaker 1: we do stand up whatever, and and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: like a book tour. I'm like, if thirty people showed
Speaker 1: up to a book event at a little books d
Speaker 1: bookshop in Seattle, I would feel like the king. But
Speaker 1: if thirty people show up to a virtual book event,
Speaker 1: you feel like you want to kill yourself. I mean
Speaker 1: you're just truly like, why is there only thirty people here?
Speaker 1: I have eighty thousand Twitter followers? What's the ratio here?
Speaker 1: Is not encouraging? You're like talking ship to the people
Speaker 1: that showed up, You're like, what about you? What? It's
Speaker 1: my family, family, and like three of my friends and
Speaker 1: then some random people. I'm like, how did you get
Speaker 1: in here? Like one of them got bombed by teen boys.
Speaker 1: It was such a nightmare. We just we had we
Speaker 1: just shut it down before they even finished introducing me.
Speaker 1: I had it said a word, and these like kids
Speaker 1: came on and we're like, women aren't funny, and then
Speaker 1: like my dad's girlfriend. You could see everyone. It was
Speaker 1: like just like this a zoom gallery and um my
Speaker 1: dad's girlfriend. Her name is d D. And one of
Speaker 1: the kids goes d d old bitch, and that's when
Speaker 1: they were like, shut it down, shut it don't come
Speaker 1: for d D. Alright, we're shutting this not Yeah. Apparently
Speaker 1: there's different ways of doing zoom events, and this one
Speaker 1: was done in a way that anyone could just use themselves.
Speaker 1: And I was like no, no, no, no, no, shut
Speaker 1: it down. Let's see. It was so sad. And there's
Speaker 1: something about like books stores not doing good like you.
Speaker 1: We did. When I worked at Cracked, we had a
Speaker 1: couple of we published a couple of books and did
Speaker 1: like book tours for those and like it would be
Speaker 1: the same people who would sell out a live show
Speaker 1: with like, you know, two hundred seats, and then we'd
Speaker 1: do a book tour with those same people, and it
Speaker 1: would be like five people at the Barnes and Nobles
Speaker 1: to different You couldn't pay them to come see the
Speaker 1: book tour. Version of the exact same thing. Um, books
Speaker 1: are tough, all right, Sarah, Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll you right back to talk about what's happening in
Speaker 1: our country. And we're back just a quick check in
Speaker 1: with what what's going on with uh, the lame duck
Speaker 1: president Donald Trump? President dude? Um, it looks like he's
Speaker 1: going to lose by the same margin that he won
Speaker 1: by last time. Which wouldn't landslide be that right? It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that big a problem if if he hadn't
Speaker 1: spent the last four years just convincing himself and all
Speaker 1: of his followers that it was a total landslide and
Speaker 1: like the biggest landslide of all time secon spirically not
Speaker 1: true on his face. Yeah, he lost the popular vote
Speaker 1: by like three million. That's that's technically l But okay,
Speaker 1: because someone was doing just a quick timeline of his
Speaker 1: use of landslide and talking about his electoral college victory
Speaker 1: and December eleven, sixteen, we had a massive landslide victory,
Speaker 1: as you know, in the electoral college July. It's all
Speaker 1: a ruse. The rush of the story. This was an
Speaker 1: excuse for the Democrats who lost an election actually got
Speaker 1: their as kicked three or six, three or six to
Speaker 1: two twenty three. That's a pretty good she lacking December seven,
Speaker 1: December seventeen, two thousand, nineteen to late Nancy Pelosi. Everyone
Speaker 1: you included, knows what is really happening. You're chosen candidate
Speaker 1: last the election in twenty sixteen in an electoral college
Speaker 1: landslide parenthetical three oh six to twenty seven, and you
Speaker 1: and your party have never recovered from this defeat. He
Speaker 1: still goes November, we had an electoral college, as you know, Congressman,
Speaker 1: we had a landslide, three or six to twenty three.
Speaker 1: We had a landslide. So he keeps saying this number
Speaker 1: three oh six is a landslide. Joe Biden right now
Speaker 1: is winning with three hundred six electoral landslide of votes.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: he's also having to recalibrate the definition of landslide in
Speaker 1: his mind, because if he was, you know, just the
Speaker 1: wild chance doing the solo on his mushroom flute being
Speaker 1: like three or six, baby, you know what time it is,
Speaker 1: Mr three oh six worldwide, Like, if he's now thinking,
Speaker 1: if Joe Biden is that will, then did I lose
Speaker 1: or he knows that it's different. I don't know, just
Speaker 1: a very interesting to think of, a nice overlap of details. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's no way that he's admitting that
Speaker 1: to himself, but because you know, he probably would have
Speaker 1: got that tadded three or six. Yeah, he definitely has
Speaker 1: a gold chain that is three or six. But also
Speaker 1: part of it is I think he just has a
Speaker 1: limited palette of like choices of words and phrases that
Speaker 1: he chooses for um, and that is one of the
Speaker 1: ones that stays in the in the cloud around his head,
Speaker 1: like oh three oh six or like you know, like
Speaker 1: all those words that he buzz words and I mean
Speaker 1: some people argue that it's because he's stupid and has limited,
Speaker 1: you know, limited capable language capability, and then others argue
Speaker 1: that it's part of mind you know, mind control or
Speaker 1: you know, you know, influencing people is by repeating the
Speaker 1: same phrases over and over and over again to the
Speaker 1: to the listeners that are in your quote unquote cult
Speaker 1: are going to just you know, it eventually solidifies in
Speaker 1: their head as reality. Um, you say something over and
Speaker 1: over again. Then eventually some people who are susceptible to
Speaker 1: it will believe it and they can't be convinced otherwise.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been kind of going back and forth
Speaker 1: on that question of whether it's him actively manipulating and
Speaker 1: making smart, like manipulative decisions to use few were words
Speaker 1: to like trick people, or whether it's like just he
Speaker 1: happens to have access to fewer words and that happens
Speaker 1: to work with his uh, you know, cult followers. Like
Speaker 1: that kind of matters because if we're if we're assuming
Speaker 1: that he's like a one off genius, then this isn't
Speaker 1: like as big a problem as it is if he's
Speaker 1: just like showed every narcissist who's willing to so hatred
Speaker 1: like the cheat code to winning winning the presidency. And
Speaker 1: I tend to think it's actually that he's not a
Speaker 1: one off genius, that he's kind of an idiot who
Speaker 1: just happens to have this skill set and this like
Speaker 1: was working from a base of a whole lot of
Speaker 1: like recognizability and Twitter followers, so he was able to
Speaker 1: like kind of pick up momentum access. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's a question. Like there was a political
Speaker 1: scientist who wrote and not ed in the New York
Speaker 1: times I was talking about, like what how do we
Speaker 1: like safeguard our democracy against like demogogues, you know, because
Speaker 1: like that's what he is. He's not like he is
Speaker 1: a product of our democratic process like he and he's
Speaker 1: a he's a reflection of what a lot of these
Speaker 1: white voters wanted that's voted for him. It's like there,
Speaker 1: it was just a kama kaze pilot to root on
Speaker 1: who was just gonna fuck him, just destroy d C.
Speaker 1: And you can use the language like he's leading, but
Speaker 1: they didn't care. It's like any again, Like just the
Speaker 1: psychology of people is like when you can't, when you
Speaker 1: are no longer feel powerful or empowered to build or create,
Speaker 1: the next best thing is to destroy because at least
Speaker 1: you're in the game doing something. And if you can't,
Speaker 1: if you have no power, destruction is that ship might
Speaker 1: as well look like building stuff because you're like, well
Speaker 1: I did that, and look at what it's doing to
Speaker 1: these other people. And I think that gave them an
Speaker 1: opportunity to say, like, yes, let me hitch my hopes
Speaker 1: and dreams of this Ethno state to this guy who,
Speaker 1: like I don't really agree with anything, but like he's
Speaker 1: down to funk everything up, and that's how I feel
Speaker 1: as a person whatever that is based on how I
Speaker 1: got there. So I'm just gonna roote this on because yeah,
Speaker 1: this this sort of reflects what I'm feeling inside more
Speaker 1: than from anything to do with policy. That's why no
Speaker 1: one actually has anything substantive to say about policy. It's
Speaker 1: like when you when people press Trump supporters at rallies,
Speaker 1: when they're like, okay, so why are you voting him? Like, well, well,
Speaker 1: all the things he's accomplished, you know, that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, so what is he accomplished? Um, you know,
Speaker 1: like um, race, racial court stuff, give me the give
Speaker 1: me the paper really quick. There was like I remember
Speaker 1: Jordan's clever. He was out there and someone these magg
Speaker 1: of people like give me my cheat sheet on how
Speaker 1: to talk about the president because they didn't they don't know.
Speaker 1: That's not the world they're operating in. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm here to actually just you know, cheerlead this guy.
Speaker 1: Fucking it all up. That's really what I'm here for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, my husband was talking to a family member,
Speaker 1: um back, one of his family members a while back,
Speaker 1: and he the family member is a Trump supporter and
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Obama, he was so divisive. They
Speaker 1: don't know what they mean when they say because he goes.
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, whatever that means. Uh, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with it, but okay, name because he goes. Why don't
Speaker 1: you like Obama? He goes, he was divisive. He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. I don't agree with you, but
Speaker 1: name name a policy that he put in place that
Speaker 1: you disagree with. And this person could not. He goes,
Speaker 1: it was four years ago. I don't remember. And he's like,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I remember things that Obama did that
Speaker 1: I don't like like and I liked Obama, like, I
Speaker 1: remember policies that he put in place that I disagree with.
Speaker 1: Like you know, so the fact that you hate him
Speaker 1: and you can't name one actual thing that he did
Speaker 1: that negatively impacted your life other than a vague like
Speaker 1: they get these talking points like the divisive thing. That's
Speaker 1: when you hear a lot about and they're already saying
Speaker 1: it about Biden. It's like he's not even president yet.
Speaker 1: So when you know your circuits are fried with hate,
Speaker 1: you know, like it happens with like sports fans. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: funk the Clippers man name they're bullshit, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: what the Clippers due to you? I'm like, come on,
Speaker 1: why are you asking me that? It's just because I'm
Speaker 1: a Laker fan. It's not that I have a real
Speaker 1: I can articulate a reason. It's that just I'm I'm
Speaker 1: resonating at a frequency in which I just hate this ship.
Speaker 1: It's not because I'm thinking about it. I'm just not
Speaker 1: thinking at all. And I think that's what a lot
Speaker 1: of these people, their ability to sort of look at policy.
Speaker 1: It's not really policy they're looking at. It's just this
Speaker 1: the effects of what a president does to other people
Speaker 1: that they're into. Yeah, this political scientist talks about just training,
Speaker 1: Like the way to work on this is something that
Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about on our show is
Speaker 1: just like focusing on like locally focusing on like the
Speaker 1: kinds of schools and jobs that train us in the
Speaker 1: habits of citizenship. Uh and by like creating the background
Speaker 1: conditions in which we can actually solve problems in our
Speaker 1: families and our communities. Um. Because yeah, that it's just
Speaker 1: fully until we are no longer being communicating primarily through
Speaker 1: social media and cable news, like this is going to
Speaker 1: be what we're dealing with. Do you think there's something too?
Speaker 1: Like I get we always talk about there's a lack
Speaker 1: of empathy on the right, but that a lot of
Speaker 1: voters who are just sort of in this full mago
Speaker 1: world actually don't even believe in the concept of something
Speaker 1: like trauma even for themselves, you know, because to say
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, you're a snowflake or whatever, like sure,
Speaker 1: but you're there. There's an underlying thing to why someone
Speaker 1: to be upset by something, right, Like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: you sat down, like, has have you ever been wronged? Man?
Speaker 1: Have you ever been through anything traumatic? I wonder like
Speaker 1: what that sort of thought experiment goes to if they're
Speaker 1: able to say yeah, I've like, like, are they willing
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable? You know, because at the same time,
Speaker 1: if you if you reject the idea that anything is
Speaker 1: bad is happening to other people, you probably also believe
Speaker 1: nothing bad has ever happened to you as well, because
Speaker 1: you can't even make that jump. I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: just something in the language that's always being used. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're even willing to say that they've
Speaker 1: ever actually been hurt or they know that they've been hurt,
Speaker 1: and how they've been looking at that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not yan, but I mean I think there's like
Speaker 1: also something to the concept of like authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is
Speaker 1: like it makes people feel safe to buy into a
Speaker 1: fundamentalist religion authoritarian regime because if they were brought up
Speaker 1: fundamentalist um in an or in an authoritarian religion, UM,
Speaker 1: it teaches you fear, and it teaches you that, um,
Speaker 1: I'm going to mess up the concept, but UM, that
Speaker 1: you are in danger from the outer outside and that
Speaker 1: this is the place like this, this this sect or this,
Speaker 1: this religion, this UM, political party, whatever is what keeps
Speaker 1: you safe from the evil on the outside. UM. And
Speaker 1: the only way to um maintain that feeling of security
Speaker 1: is to have a strongman leader two carry out you know, um,
Speaker 1: the and to protect you to carry that out. And
Speaker 1: UM that is why you see a lot of UH
Speaker 1: why pro life is such a strong UM element of
Speaker 1: the Trump like Trump Trumpy trumps Um coalition is that
Speaker 1: because pro life fundamentally is about controlling other people and
Speaker 1: it's authority. I want authority over what you can do
Speaker 1: with your life. Yeah, and um, and that goes into
Speaker 1: like transgender stuff because it's like I've always been like
Speaker 1: why do you care? Like I'm just like, why do
Speaker 1: you care what somebody does? Like? And and it's because
Speaker 1: it's a authoritary I want to control others that aren't
Speaker 1: like me because difference and unknown is frightening to me.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like so much of it is
Speaker 1: people who are really afraid and they're afraid of stuff
Speaker 1: that's not real. You know, it's it's a Boogeyman type stuff.
Speaker 1: But jump can they make that jump where they can
Speaker 1: admit they're afraid. I think that's the biggest difference, right,
Speaker 1: is that like it'll it'll always be sort have draped
Speaker 1: in this faux aggressive thing of like, oh man, we're good,
Speaker 1: We're like, we're fucking like we're American. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like you're pissing your pants. Yeah. I mean all of
Speaker 1: that is bigotry. I mean abortion to me, the whole
Speaker 1: abortion debate to me is so rooted in racism. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, all of it to me
Speaker 1: is rooted in racism, like the welfare and stuff like
Speaker 1: I don't want my taxes going to to who you know,
Speaker 1: like because you don't mind taxes going to farmers. I mean,
Speaker 1: farmers are getting like wealth. You know, so many farmers
Speaker 1: in this country are are basically living on welfare because
Speaker 1: from the subsidies, and they you know, I could go
Speaker 1: on and on. That never gets a complaint, not on
Speaker 1: Fox News. Who I think. I think it's sort of
Speaker 1: inevitable that anybody who falls for Donald Trump will end
Speaker 1: up either in a messy divorce with him or like
Speaker 1: the child of a messy divorce with him. And that's
Speaker 1: where a lot of Trump supporters now find themselves as
Speaker 1: Trump is going through a messy divorce with Fox Fox News,
Speaker 1: because they're they're leading him out here in the cold.
Speaker 1: I mean, look what it Look what you're doing. He
Speaker 1: was spent most of the morning on Thursday just hate
Speaker 1: tweeting at Fox and like being like, I didn't really
Speaker 1: even like them anyway, He tweeted at Fox News. Daytime
Speaker 1: ratings have completely collapsed weekend daytime even worse. Very said
Speaker 1: to what has happened. But they forgot that made what
Speaker 1: made them successful, what got them there. They forgot the
Speaker 1: golden goose, the biggest difference between the election and was
Speaker 1: at Fox News. Yeah, alright, come on, Wonka, how much
Speaker 1: golden goose? Wonka, what the fuck? He's the golden goose? Okay,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the best description of himself he's
Speaker 1: ever given. Like that completely matches his internal it tracks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, but I think this is the thing,
Speaker 1: the clearest indication that we have that he is leaving office,
Speaker 1: that he's not, even though he's installing like a bunch
Speaker 1: of fucking Devin Nonez people, like all the people in
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, if you look, one of the things they
Speaker 1: have in common is that they were all in on
Speaker 1: like trying to smear any Russia investigations. So it makes
Speaker 1: sense that these i'm your boss, now, remember me when
Speaker 1: I said release the memo. That's me Cash Patel. And
Speaker 1: then what the other guy, Anthony Tata, who's like literally
Speaker 1: said I'm pretty sure that Obama is like a terrorist
Speaker 1: demon or something like that. He's also Cash Patel and
Speaker 1: Anthony Tata And these are not made up names that
Speaker 1: you're just making up off the top. But yeah, aside
Speaker 1: from all that, the signs that he's going to leave
Speaker 1: is that because that he's really talking about, or the
Speaker 1: grumblings around him starting his own news network is only growing.
Speaker 1: And that makes sense because the only thing that is
Speaker 1: real of this man is money, and he has a
Speaker 1: nun and he has debts. So the easiest pivot out
Speaker 1: of this fucking white House would be a digital media
Speaker 1: and more merch and just start writing books and just start,
Speaker 1: you know, basically co modifying everything that you've done the
Speaker 1: last four years and just bleed your supporters dry. And
Speaker 1: on axios. They have some choice quotes from insiders about
Speaker 1: this plan. Quote he plans to wreck Fox, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it? Okay, that that tracks. It sounds like it's
Speaker 1: coming from him, that he's He's like Jonathan, Yeah, Jonathan Swan,
Speaker 1: just like all right, Mr President, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to write here? He plans to wreck Fox, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it? Yeah, no doubt, actually putting no doubt.
Speaker 1: You imagine him like That's it's so interesting because it's
Speaker 1: like he's always been in these different Like he was
Speaker 1: on the Apprentice, he was a guest on talk shows
Speaker 1: and stuff. He would call into Fox, call in, call in.
Speaker 1: Then he's on rallies, he's president. Do you see him
Speaker 1: being like a Hannity like, actually, like is he control?
Speaker 1: Like I don't think he has the work ethic to
Speaker 1: be able to sit and do a show every day,
Speaker 1: Like I think that that would It would need a
Speaker 1: studio audience. He's not going into a studio to talk
Speaker 1: down the barrel of It would be one of the
Speaker 1: worst shows ever made. I mean, like because it would
Speaker 1: just be him ran It would be a rally like
Speaker 1: his rallies, like put every night in a studio and
Speaker 1: imagine them trying to write that for or just produce it.
Speaker 1: Like what a nightmare that would I think It'll just
Speaker 1: be him going out in front of a crowd, riffing
Speaker 1: for an hour each night, and you know, Hannity will
Speaker 1: follow him to this new network and Hannity will either
Speaker 1: be on hand or he'll have the show that like
Speaker 1: leads in to that, And yeah, I have no doubt
Speaker 1: he'll be able to do that because it is the
Speaker 1: thing like that seems to be the one thing that
Speaker 1: feeds him, is like getting out in front of people
Speaker 1: and just keeping that going and they're you know what,
Speaker 1: it has to be a studio audience, and he'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just really wanted like a just a
Speaker 1: fun vibe. You know. The last four years, it's just
Speaker 1: just about connecting with the people. And I just want
Speaker 1: to have about daytime show. Yeah, alright, everybody, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: get it going. Yeah it's shrumpy baby. You know what
Speaker 1: time it is? Alright when watch me do the move
Speaker 1: the elliptical? Oh you love this one? Alright, alright, So
Speaker 1: today he's gonna be talking about Nazism a little bit
Speaker 1: at the top of the hour, and then later on
Speaker 1: we're gonna like what the fun Can you imagine him
Speaker 1: even sharing the error with anyone, like even having a
Speaker 1: guest or talking to anyone, Like it's just like he
Speaker 1: would he couldn't do an interview, Like he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to share the spotlight for even a second. People
Speaker 1: will come up for five seconds, but they have to
Speaker 1: talk about how great he is. It'll be a little
Speaker 1: little pimp right now. He's gonna you and Conway big
Speaker 1: shoutouts to you guys, like the whole thing. I think
Speaker 1: it would be like how Lauren Lapis had that podcast
Speaker 1: with special guest Laura lap Guts where the guest is
Speaker 1: actually the host to invite Lauren lap Guts on, Like
Speaker 1: that's the Donald Trump shows, the guest will be the
Speaker 1: host to interview the host guest Donald Trump. I think
Speaker 1: it's the only way, like you could keep the dynamic
Speaker 1: of he's like, thanks for having me. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's your own fucking show. What. But yeah, So he's
Speaker 1: gonna The other thing that he has, it is to
Speaker 1: his advantage with this whole news network is look, he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna go streaming because he doesn't have the money
Speaker 1: to actually like get on cable, Like it's prohibitively expensive
Speaker 1: when you're broke. Um. But he's what he has in
Speaker 1: his favor is just like an inexhaustible list of like
Speaker 1: slack jawed racists who are willing to be you bombarded
Speaker 1: with like angry fundraising emails and like texts, like they're
Speaker 1: engaged people. So he has like a list to send
Speaker 1: out a blast and be like it's coming baby, So
Speaker 1: here you know there. I think there's money to be made.
Speaker 1: And I think based on what other things we're hearing
Speaker 1: from people on the right, which is the new tact
Speaker 1: from like pundits or just talking head goop, people are like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna make so much money when he
Speaker 1: leaves I mean, if he just thinks about all the
Speaker 1: opportunities he has when he leaves, it's like, now they're
Speaker 1: trying to coax him out of the White House with
Speaker 1: with cash. Well that's what I saw those headlines about
Speaker 1: he could get a hundred million dollar book deal, which
Speaker 1: it's I mean I read, I read the whole story,
Speaker 1: and they were like, people were like, that doesn't sound likely.
Speaker 1: But I talked. I was like, but if I was
Speaker 1: a publisher, I would be dangling. That would be like,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a hundred million dollars. Donald, you just
Speaker 1: have to concede. And then as soon as he can
Speaker 1: seem to be like, no publish, Oh we had some change.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a big shake up happening. We just got
Speaker 1: bought by Conde nasty. You know, God, you hate to
Speaker 1: see it, Donald, you really do. But even with all
Speaker 1: this like noise he's making, because he was being really
Speaker 1: loud about stop this deal. Um, his followers, who are
Speaker 1: typically very loyal, they're kind of letting him down because,
Speaker 1: you know, as he was screaming stop this deal, there
Speaker 1: was a little quote unquote protests at the Fox like
Speaker 1: DC headquarters, you know, just to show the network you know,
Speaker 1: like when they pull up when President Trump says stopped
Speaker 1: the steal and the smearing Fox News, Oh we come.
Speaker 1: We show out in numbers, and by numbers, I mean
Speaker 1: eight people and one of them is a child. They
Speaker 1: had eight people together, uh, like off of the energy
Speaker 1: the president was giving out. And when reporters are asking
Speaker 1: the person who organized it, like, yo, like, what's good man?
Speaker 1: Like I thought this was a big deal for y'all,
Speaker 1: Like I thought, you're stopping this steal, like and you're
Speaker 1: only guy people? That doesn't seem like that serious. And
Speaker 1: his response is, quote, what we care about is measuring
Speaker 1: the votes. Not measuring what you tell me is important,
Speaker 1: said Martin, flanked by Master, flanked by a massed protester
Speaker 1: in a pro Trump shirt that promised to quote make
Speaker 1: liberals cry again. Oh, not measuring what you tell me
Speaker 1: is important to Like, I'm not telling you, like, aren't
Speaker 1: you disheartened by the lack of support you have? Right? Yeah? Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Tugger Carlson, don't they have like a mega rally over
Speaker 1: the weekend happening? Of course, the million mega march right there?
Speaker 1: Anything a million? Also, Like, come on, y'all are trying
Speaker 1: to that Okay, do you know what you're The play
Speaker 1: of the title is off of when Black men were
Speaker 1: Gonna worry about it, so you know they're there to
Speaker 1: stop this deal and you know, do white power ship
Speaker 1: with their friends. Apparently over the weekend there will be
Speaker 1: appearances by the Oath Keepers who were there to fight
Speaker 1: Antifa in full wars. Has been like going through the
Speaker 1: South trying to get people, like on a caravan to
Speaker 1: go to d C. The Proud Boys, who are currently
Speaker 1: in the middle of a meltdown because they're trying to
Speaker 1: be fully unmasked Nazis, which most people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we knew that, though you're fucking idiots. No one was
Speaker 1: like the Proud Boys aren't fucking white supremacists, even though
Speaker 1: they have, you know, token minorities in the group. They
Speaker 1: are going to be there, but depending on who you ask,
Speaker 1: like which person who was quote unquote leading him? One guy,
Speaker 1: the dude who is from Florida and Ricky Terrio. He's
Speaker 1: like saying that he thinks they'll be lucky if they
Speaker 1: get a hundred thousand people. He's like, dude, they're not
Speaker 1: getting He's like, and he's like a million, So stupid
Speaker 1: to brand it like that, because you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: fucking close and it's gonna look like a failure. He's
Speaker 1: like a hundred thousand is like if the ships on
Speaker 1: God mode. Other than that, like you can forget about it.
Speaker 1: And he's the leader who they're trying to kick out
Speaker 1: because he's not because he is not white. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just saw something to make a good point that was,
Speaker 1: like the reason you're not seeing millions of Trump so
Speaker 1: porters taking to the streets and doing I mean we're
Speaker 1: not there yet necessarily historically speaking, like the Women's March
Speaker 1: wasn't until January at some point in February. But like
Speaker 1: part of the reason you're not seeing that level yet
Speaker 1: at least, I mean I could, like you said, there
Speaker 1: could be a god thing and like a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: people show up, But like is because they actually don't
Speaker 1: feel like their lives are threatened or like their likes
Speaker 1: like that their rights are going to be taken away.
Speaker 1: I don't like I think that they know they know
Speaker 1: that there. I just think they fundamentally don't have the
Speaker 1: same level of fear that uh, you know, everyone else
Speaker 1: had when Trump came into office. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: watch if they keep watching Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity
Speaker 1: and Laura Ingram like they they're doing their best to
Speaker 1: get those people. They are, Like, the difference is you
Speaker 1: could be a transperson in this country and get attacked.
Speaker 1: You could be a black person and get killed by
Speaker 1: the police. You can be a woman and you're seeking
Speaker 1: out like a control over your own body in a
Speaker 1: medical context, and you won't get it. So that ship
Speaker 1: is real. It's enough people. Yeah, like that ship is
Speaker 1: like there, I'm looking at the ship they're talking about.
Speaker 1: They're they're on like this weird four or wet like
Speaker 1: they're talking on microchips and ship. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's satanic panic, and it's like it isn't direct in
Speaker 1: their life. It's very abstract. It's like the babe they're
Speaker 1: they're they're molesting the children. They're chopping them up and
Speaker 1: eating the children. Like they don't there's no immediate like
Speaker 1: I'm frightened for my own child's life. I'm frightened for
Speaker 1: you know whatever. I mean. I think some are some
Speaker 1: are thinking that we're headed towards Venezuela social like they
Speaker 1: they think that, but even that is pretty abstract. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: so it's not. It's not a good motivator of movements.
Speaker 1: That's why you look at what happened over the summer
Speaker 1: and you see tons of people in the street because
Speaker 1: whether they know their lives are threatened directly or other
Speaker 1: people can say, oh, I know enough people that this
Speaker 1: is an issue, and I'm standing in solidarity with them.
Speaker 1: That's the real ship being out here being fucking you know,
Speaker 1: going through white supremacy withdrawals on cable news. That's not real,
Speaker 1: that's not Unfortunately, that's not the kind of ship that
Speaker 1: when you have your back to the wall, you do
Speaker 1: something about your just you know, your show got canceled.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, Yeah, that's a good way. It's a
Speaker 1: good way of describing it. Yeah, alright, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. Well, come back and talk about the Country
Speaker 1: Music Awards, and we're back and the Country Music Awards happened.
Speaker 1: I think I'm winning, like with the people. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they no idea. Yeah, you think they would have gotten
Speaker 1: the message when multiple musical acts began pulling out of
Speaker 1: the show because they were literally testing positive for COVID.
Speaker 1: Because America in the middle of huge musicians themselves yeah,
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, sorry, Like Lady Ah, the band
Speaker 1: who changed their name to avoid seeming racist, but are
Speaker 1: currently suing a sixty two year old black artist who
Speaker 1: was already performing under that name. They had to cancel
Speaker 1: mer hours before the awards ceremony after a family member
Speaker 1: got COVID. There was a country singer who themselves tested
Speaker 1: positive uh and had to pull out of the Medley
Speaker 1: tribute to Charlie Daniels, who we will talk about in
Speaker 1: a moment um. But yeah, So the way that the
Speaker 1: c m A has pitched the awards this year is
Speaker 1: it's been a year, y'all, but for three hours next
Speaker 1: Wednesday on ABC, this is a no drama zone. And
Speaker 1: they extended that to include like no masks were allowed
Speaker 1: to be visible on the artists when they were like
Speaker 1: cutting to the crowd. They weren't allowed to be doing
Speaker 1: an actual words ceremony in person. They're not in person.
Speaker 1: It's a Trump rally. Doing it remotely is uh is
Speaker 1: too dramatic, I think. Uh. So they wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: They wanted to get everybody together, pretend like it was
Speaker 1: en the AP and six nine exactly the AP Like
Speaker 1: the Associated Press pulled out of its planned coverage, like
Speaker 1: they're always there to just take pictures of whatever's happening.
Speaker 1: Anytime there's like a nationally televised award ceremony, they had
Speaker 1: to pull out due to restrictions being placed on their
Speaker 1: still photographers. They said that they couldn't be inside and
Speaker 1: also couldn't take screen caps of the broadcast of crowd
Speaker 1: shots because they didn't want them to see people being maskless.
Speaker 1: But they also didn't want the people to wear masks.
Speaker 1: But I thought, this is drama free all what's going
Speaker 1: on other drama rama. It's sick, It's so sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they wanted to present the image that everything in
Speaker 1: the world is fine, uh, not alienate their anti mask
Speaker 1: or viewers. Uh. And according to report, several guests had
Speaker 1: clear face shields but hid them during crowd shots, and
Speaker 1: while they were required to wear masks elsewhere in the venue,
Speaker 1: when sitting at their tables during the show, everyone's faces
Speaker 1: were maskless. And so they just did a super sproatter
Speaker 1: event for no fucking reason. Yeah, well, just because they
Speaker 1: know that their people just want to I want to
Speaker 1: see them live in some weird Truman show. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: the NBA had the NBA bubble, so our people need something,
Speaker 1: we just aren't going to go through the process of
Speaker 1: actually making it safe. It's just this also like white
Speaker 1: fragility on show, like let's be real, it's like, don't
Speaker 1: show us as being human beings who are susceptible to
Speaker 1: things like scientifically scientifically acknowledged viruses, like who is this sport?
Speaker 1: It's really for them? Or so, I don't know why
Speaker 1: they're like this projection of well, but this place is safe,
Speaker 1: you know, like we don't have to worry when we're
Speaker 1: all together here at the c m A S. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it. Well, it's like what Trump said, like, um,
Speaker 1: don't let it control your life. Yeah, and it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: as he said it with the weirdest voice, what an
Speaker 1: absolute horrendous thing to say to the nation, like we're
Speaker 1: when people have died and you know, so many people
Speaker 1: have died and been are sick and still sick, and
Speaker 1: like it's just not him. He feels better than ever,
Speaker 1: feels like I just got medical died. Herman Keane is
Speaker 1: the only one. What I mean comes racist. It's a
Speaker 1: fun up racist script where the black dude died first.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened, but you think they
Speaker 1: would do some tweaking here. The universe needs to correct itself. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want people. I'm not one of
Speaker 1: those people that's like I wish death on people, like
Speaker 1: I do draw a line. Although I will be happy.
Speaker 1: I'll be happy when Trump's dead, Like that's different than
Speaker 1: he was dad active. Um, but I don't understand how
Speaker 1: so many of the Republican like the administration, all the
Speaker 1: people that got COVID, none of them died. I could
Speaker 1: just hate the messaging like almost died, you know, like
Speaker 1: come on, like he's stronger. Um, speaking of people who
Speaker 1: died from coronavirus. There was no mention at the Country
Speaker 1: Music Awards of John Prine, who is a country legend
Speaker 1: who out of COVID back in April. He's written songs
Speaker 1: for No Dramash, Don't Drama Lambert. However, uh, the show
Speaker 1: did honor did open honoring Charlie Daniels, who died recently,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of weird considering he was a racist,
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist who routinely attacked Democrats on social media, most
Speaker 1: recently issued a stern warning to Taco Bell not to
Speaker 1: joke about the Illuminati. Uh, because they're Bell Illuminati ads.
Speaker 1: They were warned, Taco, Oh this is so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sent them a tweet. Hey, Taco Bell, space return.
Speaker 1: The Illuminati is not a frivolous subject. Uh. So you know, okay, Charlie,
Speaker 1: I mean the devil went down to Georgia. I mean,
Speaker 1: based on that electoral college map, the Devil's surely went
Speaker 1: down to Georgia this year. I don't know what happened, y'all,
Speaker 1: but this is a drama free environment. Well we will
Speaker 1: disrespect the dead, like what the fuck? They really? They
Speaker 1: didn't even do like a like all awards shows do,
Speaker 1: like all right, let's do like in Memorium Lost Homies.
Speaker 1: Pour out a little spaton, Yeah, yamn, pour out a
Speaker 1: little spittoon. Yeah. Um. But they were good to honor
Speaker 1: Charlie Daniels because you know, he's the kind of drama
Speaker 1: that they feel all right about. That doesn't bother them. God,
Speaker 1: I want to know more about Charlie. Charlie's intersection with
Speaker 1: the Illuminati and what happened. Yeah, you know he's got
Speaker 1: some stories like nas Yes, you know, I've been around
Speaker 1: this country, man, and I met seeing the tape like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know he's got some story that like he
Speaker 1: uses to get everybody to buy in on like his
Speaker 1: Illuminati ship. Oh god, yeah that is the country music
Speaker 1: A words shout out to writer Jam McNab for uh
Speaker 1: watching that for us, you poor son of a bit?
Speaker 1: All right, well, Sarah, it has been a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you on the daily zeit Geist? Where can people find
Speaker 1: you and follow you? Uh? Sarah Schaefer one? Um on
Speaker 1: all platforms? The first, yep, the first, the only. Actually
Speaker 1: there's many Sarah Schaefers. I didn't get Sarah Schaefer in time,
Speaker 1: Sarah Shaffer one. Do you know who the Sarah Schaefer
Speaker 1: is that who has been beating you to all your
Speaker 1: no and it's such an am such an idiot. I
Speaker 1: got I got Twitter early, like and you could, Um,
Speaker 1: I could have gotten Sarah Schaeffer, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: Twitter was going to become a thing. Yeah, I did,
Speaker 1: like my A O L screen name like that. I
Speaker 1: got Twitter. That's how that was my first handle. And
Speaker 1: then Craig Shawn blocked me when the Google song Gucci
Speaker 1: Gucci came out because I was talking a lot of ship,
Speaker 1: and then I had to change my handle so I
Speaker 1: could I could get back in the Twitter sphere. Anyway,
Speaker 1: A little Twitter story for you might be with Creation
Speaker 1: and your book's name is Grand Grand and people can
Speaker 1: find out wherever books are sold. Is there a tweet
Speaker 1: or some other active social media you've been enjoying. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of like gone deep on TikTok.
Speaker 1: I'm mesmerized by it. I like, I'm disturbed by it.
Speaker 1: Like how quickly the algorithm identified figured I wanted to see, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was one of the first things in the
Speaker 1: modern age of knowing about algorithms. And how after watching
Speaker 1: the social dilemma, like like I joined TikTok clean like
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't know anything about me, and within
Speaker 1: two weeks they're like, you're a liberal or a left
Speaker 1: leaning person who enjoys smackdowns on Republicans like you like
Speaker 1: girls lip sinking up close like anime characters, like you know,
Speaker 1: just like now I can't escape algorithm. Algorithm read me
Speaker 1: for phil But they're like the TikTok encourages me. The
Speaker 1: youth are utilize and older people are using it too
Speaker 1: in very creative ways. And I but it is a
Speaker 1: time suck because you just get stuck in the scroll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta limit it. M hm um, miles Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What's tweet you've been enjoying? I'm going
Speaker 1: let's see Twitter. Instagram is where you can find me
Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray and also the other podcast for
Speaker 1: twenty Day Fiance checked that out. Um, and let's see
Speaker 1: a tweet. I like, it's really just a video clip
Speaker 1: I'm seeing from at ESPN FC. Look. I love soccer,
Speaker 1: I love European footy, and there are some international matches
Speaker 1: going on and they're allowing fans in the stands of
Speaker 1: the Northern Ireland and Slovakia game and what like they're
Speaker 1: showing on ESPN is this like disinfecting booth that fans
Speaker 1: are walking through. Were like these fans like full on
Speaker 1: with their scarves and jerseys, and it's like they step
Speaker 1: in and they're just getting misted with. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like like methanol or something just to disinfect them,
Speaker 1: but it just seems very archaic and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that's going to help. But you know, a glimpse into
Speaker 1: our future. Uh. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: jack underscore O'Brien uh tweet I've been enjoying Jesus Nice
Speaker 1: tweeted Fiser dropping the COVID vaccine via the sneakers app.
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Speaker 1: where we take off to the information that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as the song we
Speaker 1: ride out on, Wow, what are we riding into the
Speaker 1: weekend on. This is a group that has a very
Speaker 1: very interesting origin story. Uh. This is a group called
Speaker 1: Reina Topicao and it's uh Fabi Reina and Sumo Hair. Okay,
Speaker 1: there a duet, a duo, but they met like at
Speaker 1: this uh like at Bonnaroo, at some red Bull like
Speaker 1: thing for musicians and they hit it off. So immediately,
Speaker 1: like that day, they just started making an album and
Speaker 1: the music is like really, it's just it's fun when
Speaker 1: you see two people who like make music and they
Speaker 1: just vibe and they're like, okay, so we're just doing
Speaker 1: this immediately. So this track is called Nina and it
Speaker 1: just got like it's cool. Um, she's very much like
Speaker 1: got her Latin vibes on guitar and then more like
Speaker 1: sort of beaty production, but it's done in a very
Speaker 1: like trippy way. So it's a good easy listen with
Speaker 1: some nice texture. So this is Ninia by all right,
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