Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, fifty seven,
Speaker 1: Episode one Guy Production, Have My Heart Radio. This is
Speaker 1: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America,
Speaker 1: sharing concio. We just we crack it open with the
Speaker 1: chainsaw that you can hear behind. Uh. It's Monday, October.
Speaker 1: My name's Jack O'Brien. A K A hey Miles, did
Speaker 1: you hear about this one? Lead poisoning made people kill?
Speaker 1: What about this cold gas uda mos? How about that one?
Speaker 1: Can you believe? I've had four mountain dudes. Four mountain dudes.
Speaker 1: If you're ready, let's get this show on the road now.
Speaker 1: Five mountain dudes. Ah, that is courtesy of I don't
Speaker 1: know who. That's courtesy of the discord. Killer clown from
Speaker 1: Outer Sky. Killer clowns from Outer Sky. Shout out to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles Crap. I want to talk right now,
Speaker 1: Ms Gray and I came to smoke down. I am
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Speaker 1: Jordan's Mason Margella stay away from me, New Balanced Era,
Speaker 1: I'm ahead and okayny with this thing goes on and
Speaker 1: on if you really want to know it takes three
Speaker 1: to make the daily side. Um, that is a fantastic one.
Speaker 1: Again Killer Clowns from Outer Sky on the discord, but
Speaker 1: also this killer clown shot out emerged from Outer Sky.
Speaker 1: Do Killer Clowns is also shouting out Beano by the
Speaker 1: Barrel for inspiring this ak looks again group efforts happening
Speaker 1: on the discord to come up with these just ego
Speaker 1: stroking works of art. So shout out the pocket there, man,
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of just keep going. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Rob Bass says, there's something about him gets
Speaker 1: into my bone. Uh, well, Miles, it selection time. We're
Speaker 1: getting right into this ship right now. So let's tell
Speaker 1: the people what we're talking about today. Uh. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that debate at the end of last week,
Speaker 1: specifically the fracking portion that sums up just how out
Speaker 1: of touch both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna check in with a Peggy Noonan column, which I
Speaker 1: like to do every once in a while just to
Speaker 1: make myself feel terrible. Uh, We're gonna talk about undecided,
Speaker 1: uh and how they responded to the debate. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about those Florida pull watchers, the armed men
Speaker 1: who showed up to you know, intimidate people, slash, make
Speaker 1: sure the Libs weren't cheating, who said they were hired
Speaker 1: by one Donald J. Trump, the president of these United States.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Havana syndrome is back, baby, that
Speaker 1: story that has been a staple of this podcast. Asked,
Speaker 1: I had always thought that it was a mass hysteria event,
Speaker 1: and I'm starting to doubt. I'm starting to change my opinion.
Speaker 1: Possibly all of that, we might get into some Biden merch.
Speaker 1: The shitty merch war is on and popping in the election,
Speaker 1: all of that, plenty more. But first we'd like to
Speaker 1: introduce our guest. She is the talented, the brilliant Bushra Bernar. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: is how you guys doing? We're great, We're thrilled to
Speaker 1: have you. Welcome, welcome, thank you. How are things? How
Speaker 1: are things? What's new in your your neck of the woods?
Speaker 1: Things are interesting? You know, whenever anybody asked how I'm doing,
Speaker 1: so do I say like, I'm okay, We're hanging by
Speaker 1: a thread. You know, it's like one or the other.
Speaker 1: But I just didn't like, what's new because I think
Speaker 1: we've all accepted a certain level of nihilism and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I I just did a run of like live Zoom
Speaker 1: shows for my one person show, Life from my Apartment.
Speaker 1: So that's been a lot of fun. I I had
Speaker 1: my director who's been a guest on your podcast, Zahrbach,
Speaker 1: you know, she's been directing me over Zoom. So that
Speaker 1: just that run just ended the past week. So that's
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun, a lot of like I've
Speaker 1: had to keep my apartment clean for a whole week
Speaker 1: because I've had people like looking into my life. Uh
Speaker 1: so that's been a lot of fun. Or yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's been That's where I'm at, just kind of doing
Speaker 1: live theater from my apartment. What is that like doing
Speaker 1: a one person show over Zoom? And when you said
Speaker 1: you have to keep your apartment clean, are you taking
Speaker 1: the computer with you around? Like so you're like, shoot, okay,
Speaker 1: this scene is changing, I gotta get the kitchen now.
Speaker 1: What's that been, Like, Oh, it's been it's been interesting.
Speaker 1: I've been using my laptop camera and also my iPhone
Speaker 1: camera on a tripod, so my laptop cameras like my
Speaker 1: cubicle in the in the show, and then my camera
Speaker 1: travels with me throughout my apartment. I even have a
Speaker 1: scene on my balcony where I'm of shouting into it
Speaker 1: and hopefully unfortunately no neighbors have complained so far. Uh
Speaker 1: and uh So that's been really interesting, And it's just
Speaker 1: been one of those like no one you're on stage,
Speaker 1: you have like the suspension of disbelief. But when I
Speaker 1: was doing stuff in my apartment, I was like, it
Speaker 1: feels weird to just hold and pretend nothing when I
Speaker 1: had my whole kitchen here, so let me make the
Speaker 1: coffee I talk about. So it's been a really interesting experience.
Speaker 1: But I'm also performing to avoid uh So we've been
Speaker 1: having people like be active in the chats and zoom,
Speaker 1: so it makes me, uh you know, just it makes
Speaker 1: me conscious of like having an audience out there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's been a lot of fun. That's a really
Speaker 1: good point. I mean that that's something that we're we've
Speaker 1: kind of been experiencing for the past, you know, pandemic
Speaker 1: just like you know, we're screaming. We're trying to be
Speaker 1: energetic and perform to these people. You know, I'm in
Speaker 1: my garage right now, next to next to my washing machine.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, Miles, you got you got a
Speaker 1: hanger behind you. I got a bunch of clothing, you know.
Speaker 1: Um that's just my process though, to get really in
Speaker 1: character as a podcast host, to look like a man
Speaker 1: who lives in his childhood bedroom. When to set up
Speaker 1: some fake studio glass and make my kids sit behind it,
Speaker 1: just just with headphones on that like giving you the thumbs,
Speaker 1: give me the stretch it out? So all right, Well,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest push for what is
Speaker 1: something premier search history that is revealing about who you are? Well,
Speaker 1: lately I've been doing a lot of searching on like
Speaker 1: non alcoholic beer. Like I don't drink alcohol at all,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I was on this restaurant menu
Speaker 1: and they had this whole mocktail menu and then I
Speaker 1: started going. I did this rabbit hole deep dive of
Speaker 1: like looking into mock tails and non alcoholic beer, non
Speaker 1: alcoholic gin and and I just now my search history
Speaker 1: and my Instagram it's all ads, like here's all this
Speaker 1: other nonalcoholic stuff. And the problem is like I want
Speaker 1: to try this, but I have no frame of reference
Speaker 1: of what any of this stuff is supposed to taste like, right,
Speaker 1: non alcoholic gin is not something I had ever heard of.
Speaker 1: That is that's actually just the old water in a
Speaker 1: flower of oz. Yeah, that's gin is one of the
Speaker 1: worst tastes out there. Did you try it? No, non
Speaker 1: alcoholic gin? No, I haven't. I'm I'm wondering if I should,
Speaker 1: But I feel like I should have a control group
Speaker 1: set up of people who know what this stuff is
Speaker 1: supposed to taste, like, so if I go like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you guys drink this stuff like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not it's supposed to taste right right,
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah? Have you what have what have you?
Speaker 1: What sort of have you experiment? Have you bought us,
Speaker 1: like a nonalcoholic beer? Is there any sort of mocktail
Speaker 1: thing that you found yourself liking or something that because
Speaker 1: I know some mocktails are just sort of like less sweet,
Speaker 1: sort of combinations of flavors and then like non alcoholic
Speaker 1: beers just mimicking beer. Have you found yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: enjoying when any of these Well, I tried one once
Speaker 1: forever ago. Um. It was like this brand called Bavaria
Speaker 1: and it was kind of awful, and I did like this,
Speaker 1: accusing the accusatory thing to my friend. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe you guys drink this. She's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this tastes nothing like what it's supposed to taste like.
Speaker 1: But I keep on seeing all these brands pop up
Speaker 1: now and I am interested. I like working with drinks,
Speaker 1: like I make my own coffee and I had my
Speaker 1: own coffee drink that I've created, So I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I could have fun with this, you know,
Speaker 1: just so maybe I'll have my own underground pop up
Speaker 1: bar once you know, I've got time and just start
Speaker 1: mixing mocktail drinks. I don't know how that will work,
Speaker 1: but uh, but you know, just just something. It just
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of fun. And I could just
Speaker 1: really spend some time working on What's what's your coffee drink?
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I love coffee like the jack does.
Speaker 1: Two were very pro caffeine while ignoring possible caffeine addictions,
Speaker 1: which is the great trick the caffeine industry plays on people.
Speaker 1: But um, what what's your sort of What's what's your drink?
Speaker 1: What's the what's your trademark? So um in a cocktail shaker.
Speaker 1: I put in ice, milk, simple syrup, unsweetened cocoa powder,
Speaker 1: a double shot of espresso, and a dash of Pinkamlain
Speaker 1: salt and shake that up. WHOA, that sounds amazing. So
Speaker 1: I actually made that in my show, so I would
Speaker 1: show people how to how to make that just part
Speaker 1: of my show. Um, and you're making espresso too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had my espresso machine and yeah, I was all prepared.
Speaker 1: When COVID happened, I was like, I had my coffee
Speaker 1: set up. I don't I don't need anybody. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. That sounds amazing. The cocktail shaker is an
Speaker 1: underrated tool. Like even if you don't drink, I don't drink,
Speaker 1: and like, but I still will funk with a cocktail shaker.
Speaker 1: Put put ice in, put whatever liquid I want to
Speaker 1: get cold, and just man the thing. Really it really
Speaker 1: gets the job done. It's a dilution and there sometimes
Speaker 1: I think if you take it out right, the pro
Speaker 1: the proster, Well yeah, I think it's my Like when
Speaker 1: I was on I went on a journey of trying
Speaker 1: to make the perfect martini and like got yelled at
Speaker 1: from three different bartenders when I would ask, like, what
Speaker 1: do you do, like, no, you're stirring, it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be watered down. And other people like give it a
Speaker 1: quick shake. But I guess to each their own. Wait,
Speaker 1: so they're saying the cocktail shaker like melts it too quickly, Well,
Speaker 1: you're the ice will break apart. You're gonna get smaller
Speaker 1: fragments of pieces of ice that will dilute the drink further,
Speaker 1: versus if they're just spin. If you're just stirring, then
Speaker 1: you're just mixing it around either way. I you know,
Speaker 1: I I wish I cared enough to say one was
Speaker 1: better than the other. But when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, so here's my invention. I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a thing that makes drinks cold as
Speaker 1: quick as microwaves make things hot. And come to find out,
Speaker 1: the cocktail shaker already does that. It's it exists, and
Speaker 1: it costs like two dollars, right, Yeah? Or what's that
Speaker 1: one trick with like as salt an ice in a
Speaker 1: bowl and ship? Yeah that that's too too much like
Speaker 1: a sentence experiment for man. Now I think it's true.
Speaker 1: I just think that I'm dumb and investigate. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: rather do the shake because I like putting it over
Speaker 1: my shoulder and uh not make an eye contact with
Speaker 1: whoever is around, just like a bartender, you know, drinking
Speaker 1: a completely flat soda. Exactly. What is something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated? Bushra? So recently I've been like thinking about
Speaker 1: the movie Bottled Rocket. It's Wes Anderson's first directorial debut
Speaker 1: after from his short film, and I was just saying about,
Speaker 1: this is like an underrated film, and I don't know
Speaker 1: why we don't talk about it more. It's just something
Speaker 1: amazing and it's my favorite movie of his. So I like,
Speaker 1: that's my my underrated pick. Wow, that's is that an
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson because that put them on? Didn't that put
Speaker 1: the Wilson brothers on the bed? That it flops when
Speaker 1: it came out, and I was reading that Owen Wilson
Speaker 1: was about join the Marines because it just did bad
Speaker 1: and because he already had the haircut in the movie,
Speaker 1: Yeah he does look like Yeah, that has some of
Speaker 1: my favorite lines. The line about water sports that he
Speaker 1: says to his uh little sister when when he's talking
Speaker 1: about like what it felt like when he lost his
Speaker 1: mind is one of my favorites. Yeah, Bottle rockets good.
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw that. Is it is? It?
Speaker 1: Is it very aggressively wes Anderson like hypersymmetrical. It's the
Speaker 1: least aggressively wes Anderson of the wes Anderson like. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have like just that hermetically sealed aesthetic where you
Speaker 1: feel like you're watching like somebody play with toys, play
Speaker 1: with dolls. Um. It definitely it feels like it takes
Speaker 1: place in the real world. Um. And the characters are
Speaker 1: a little bit more like realistic and lived in and
Speaker 1: he cares more about the characters like you could tell
Speaker 1: back then before they were. I don't know. I still
Speaker 1: like his movies. I really liked The Hotel One, but
Speaker 1: I do prefer the movies back when OLM. Wilson was
Speaker 1: his writing partner. Wait, he was a writing partner too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he co wrote Rushmore, Bottle Rocket and Royal ten Embombs
Speaker 1: and like those those are my three favorite of their movies.
Speaker 1: And then like he stopped co writing on Life Aquatic
Speaker 1: and The Train One, and I was like those that
Speaker 1: I like how you begin after a certain point, you're
Speaker 1: like the Water One, Hotel Movie, Fox Guy Dog People,
Speaker 1: but you say that and I know exactly what movie
Speaker 1: you're reference? What what for you? Busher? What's so underrated
Speaker 1: in terms of like you know, it's what what What
Speaker 1: am I missing? Like? What? What? Why? Don need to
Speaker 1: put my ipond this again? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's just one of those films that you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't do well when it came out, and something
Speaker 1: I discovered later and then I watched it a few
Speaker 1: times and just got obsessed with it and like the
Speaker 1: lines just come back to me and just it feels
Speaker 1: just like these random characters just get together and just
Speaker 1: trying to do something with their lives, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's just memorable characters once you watch it. But I
Speaker 1: feel like you have to give it a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But I have like this And the reason I brought
Speaker 1: it up was I bring it up in my show
Speaker 1: and my one person showed the goofy paradox. When I
Speaker 1: go on medical even I was like, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: dive into the Bottle Rocket Blue Ray Criterion Collection addition,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just like it's just this random
Speaker 1: movie to have a Blu Ray Criterion Collection addition of.
Speaker 1: So it's just been top of mind lately. The line
Speaker 1: I was talking about is Luke Wilson. She's asking like
Speaker 1: what happened because he's just coming out of being in
Speaker 1: a mental institution. He says, one morning over to Elizabeth's
Speaker 1: beach house, she asked me if I'd rather go water
Speaker 1: skiing or layout and I realized that not only did
Speaker 1: I not want to answer that question, but I never
Speaker 1: wanted to answer another water sports question or see any
Speaker 1: of these people again for the rest of my life. Uh,
Speaker 1: have you ever watched a Wes Anderson film and then
Speaker 1: like been so disappointed? Where where with where you live?
Speaker 1: Just the version of reality? Yeah, like where I've I've
Speaker 1: I remember like after Royal tannembombs, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's the wave. And then I like looked at my apartment.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, that ain't happening. But damn,
Speaker 1: like for a second, like you feel it. I don't know, Like,
Speaker 1: and I know people who have fully I won't say names,
Speaker 1: but they know who they are whose homes are like
Speaker 1: fully they had no imagination like I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson. My house is a Wes Anderson movie. Be
Speaker 1: careful where you step. There are little Dalmatian mice skittering around,
Speaker 1: you have to be very careful. Yeah. No, I've always
Speaker 1: said I feel like Wes Anderson movies take place in
Speaker 1: a universe that is like fully inside the mind of
Speaker 1: a child old who is reading children's books. Like it's
Speaker 1: they all have like a children's book aesthetic, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite aesthetics. Like, yeah, I love children's
Speaker 1: like illustrated books, and like he seems so heavily influenced
Speaker 1: by those, and like there are little nods to that,
Speaker 1: like in uh, The Moon One, Moon Rise Kingdom, the
Speaker 1: Boy Scout One, The Boy Scout One, where like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he nods to that. But yeah, I do. I do
Speaker 1: enjoy his his pictures. I think there's one coming out
Speaker 1: that got delayed. Like all movies, what is something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? Busher, I don't know if this is controversial.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Peloton Um. I just, I just
Speaker 1: I can't believe how expensive is and uh, I just
Speaker 1: and people buy it, and you know, good for them
Speaker 1: that they can drop a couple of grand that's totally okay,
Speaker 1: that's totally cool that they can do that. I got
Speaker 1: an elliptical and it was ten percent of the price,
Speaker 1: and I just can't get over how much that think
Speaker 1: costs and that people use it and then they pay
Speaker 1: a membership on top of that, and it just seems
Speaker 1: like so much money. And yeah, to to stay fit,
Speaker 1: to have somebody whisper in your ear, you can do this,
Speaker 1: you could do you can do go go fast. Now
Speaker 1: I can sell my voice for like ten bucks a month, right,
Speaker 1: I have my own peloton is free weights and Fox News,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I just get I
Speaker 1: get I'll put I get in, I get dirty with
Speaker 1: that ship just be like, I gotta get my body
Speaker 1: strong for these fucking ghouls. But yeah, the peloton thing,
Speaker 1: it's just become like half class marker half like, especially
Speaker 1: in the pandemic, it felt like people just like that
Speaker 1: was the way to sort of capture the outside world
Speaker 1: for people and exercise. At the same time, I just
Speaker 1: can't The workouts just seemed way too intense for me
Speaker 1: that it looks like something I want to do, you know,
Speaker 1: like every time I watch people like come on like
Speaker 1: it's it's just very intense. It's a great workout, and
Speaker 1: I'm like sort of like I like to work out,
Speaker 1: but I'm not that serious about my health, so I'll
Speaker 1: do something with a little, yes, a little less like
Speaker 1: intense sweating. I've never like needed people to yell at
Speaker 1: me to make me work hard because like my my
Speaker 1: issue is I always like work too hard and end
Speaker 1: up like making myself throw up. So like whenever someone's
Speaker 1: yelling at me, I'm like, yes, you're right, let me
Speaker 1: prove my worth to you, sir. I'll do better on
Speaker 1: this hill. Yeah. So like that that ship like does
Speaker 1: not appeal to me very much. But like I know,
Speaker 1: people who are like you know, will pay somebody to
Speaker 1: be mean to them and be like, I don't need
Speaker 1: you to be nice, man, I need you to like
Speaker 1: yell at me, and uh, you know I need you
Speaker 1: to be nice. I need you to remind me my dad. Right,
Speaker 1: let's go. Oh that's that's that should be an app right,
Speaker 1: yeah right dad app yeah yeah, rather than like yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: People are wasting all their money for cameos when really
Speaker 1: they just need video clips of someone that could have
Speaker 1: just been their dad telling them something. Is what was
Speaker 1: your like, uh, fitness ro did you get an elliptical
Speaker 1: in the pandemic? Like? What was what? Like? Did you
Speaker 1: were you out of a crossroads where you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: what's a peloton And they're like, wow, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Never mind, Yeah, I had I had a
Speaker 1: pretty good gym regiment before everything went down, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I did a lot of weightlifting, and you know,
Speaker 1: I missed all that and everything flew off the shelves
Speaker 1: like there were no like adjustable dumbells. But I got
Speaker 1: myself like weighted resistance bands and and then I got
Speaker 1: an elliptical because I wasn't going outside anymore. So even
Speaker 1: just like the regular walking you do every day of
Speaker 1: going to your car and going to work, you know,
Speaker 1: going up the steps, like none of that what's happening.
Speaker 1: So that's why I got the elliptical. Although I almost
Speaker 1: gave up on the elliptical halfway through assembling it. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if this is worth it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do this. I just
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give up now. But I got through it,
Speaker 1: and elliptical is really nice. But you know, I got
Speaker 1: the resist spans and elliptical and I just canceled my
Speaker 1: gym membership because this is all I need. And so
Speaker 1: you've been able to during quarantine, like maintain some semblance
Speaker 1: of like physical health. I personally am in the worst
Speaker 1: shape of my life, like post quarantine. I think that's okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I it's some semblance is key, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, you know us. So I've been trying
Speaker 1: to stay in shape. But there's nothing like chocolate cake
Speaker 1: right now. So I mean, why deny and in these times,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just things are bad enough. Like I
Speaker 1: tried to lose a few pounds that I gained, I'm like, why, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. I have found myself in that position of
Speaker 1: being like yeah, like I like, I've had some days
Speaker 1: where I've been able to like stick to like a
Speaker 1: like eating as a human should, but I'm like less happy.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I think I need this right now.
Speaker 1: I think I need to just like eat, you know,
Speaker 1: just a giant stack of Oreo cookies every once in
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, quick vibe check Buscher. You said you
Speaker 1: like chocolate cake. What are your feelings on fond int
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings on fonding. I know it's edible,
Speaker 1: and that's always a good sign when that Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but that's your opening line on a on a food item.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, and I don't think it should be
Speaker 1: a substitute for actual frosting that I enjoy with the cake,
Speaker 1: because you know, whether I eat it or not depends
Speaker 1: on my mood. But there should be a layer of frosting.
Speaker 1: And mean, I still remember years ago. They're still stuck
Speaker 1: with me that I was at this birthday party and
Speaker 1: they had red velvet cake and instead of the traditional
Speaker 1: cream cheese frosting, they had fondant. And I'm like, that's not,
Speaker 1: that's not you don't do that with red velvet cake.
Speaker 1: And I was like fifteen years ago, and I still like,
Speaker 1: remember this time, Remember the time. You can't have red
Speaker 1: velvet without cream cheese frosting. That's should be illegal. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about the presidential election. You guys, hear about this thing.
Speaker 1: It's coming up, and we're back. So that that debate,
Speaker 1: last debate, last presidential debate happened, uh and last week
Speaker 1: the lowest bar ever Trump cleared. People were like, you know,
Speaker 1: after after that first debate, they were like, will he
Speaker 1: be uh the equivalent of like a blacked out, belligerent
Speaker 1: drunk like he was in the first debate. No he didn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: he wins. The debate was literally like the analysis that
Speaker 1: I was seeing from from people who were either in
Speaker 1: the center or on the right. Um. But the one
Speaker 1: of the things I was discussed was fracking, and Miles
Speaker 1: you were pointing out that that was kind of a
Speaker 1: a nice little MicroC cosum of why we're uniquely fun Yeah,
Speaker 1: why we're uniquely unenthusiastic about this just doing like whatever,
Speaker 1: just fucking kick this can down the road and maybe
Speaker 1: one day people will have equality. Um. So yes, fracking.
Speaker 1: The way it was being talked about was you thought
Speaker 1: the entire fucking election was hinging on this. It's come
Speaker 1: up nearly every debate. It said like, oh did you
Speaker 1: hear what he said Pennsylvania? Is here what he said
Speaker 1: about fracking Pennsylvania. And I was just like, what, what, what?
Speaker 1: Why are we of devoting so much time to this?
Speaker 1: Because I know there are actually bigger issues than that,
Speaker 1: obviously there are environmental issues that go along with fracking,
Speaker 1: but to devote this much focus to it just seemed odd.
Speaker 1: And the Daily Beast they were also like they just
Speaker 1: wrote an article just kind of exploring like what fracking
Speaker 1: means to the voters of Pennsylvania culturally to Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: looking at poll numbers and things like that, because the
Speaker 1: way they talked about it, you think Pennsylvania is there
Speaker 1: to be one or lost based on where you stand
Speaker 1: on fracking, and uh, just a you go CBS poll
Speaker 1: in August showed of Pennsylvanians opposed fracking and forty eight approved,
Speaker 1: and then another poll in August UH said that while
Speaker 1: Pennsylvanians had a favorable favorable view of the natural gas industry,
Speaker 1: only thirty two had a favorable view of the fracking
Speaker 1: industry compared to fifty who felt it was unfavorable. So
Speaker 1: at every turn they're like, okay, like yeah, it's an
Speaker 1: issue there, but the way it's like in terms of
Speaker 1: a priority for voters, it's not quite the thing that
Speaker 1: the two candidates seem to believe it is. And there's
Speaker 1: just this whole thing of like, you know, not attacking
Speaker 1: industries that employ people obviously as a politician, because then
Speaker 1: those people will see you as an existential threat because
Speaker 1: you're talking about the very industry that employs people, and
Speaker 1: that it's been you know, has been sort of accepted knowledge.
Speaker 1: I've over the years. But if you don't actually look
Speaker 1: at the numbers, then you're just going to waste a
Speaker 1: lot of breath on things. And there are even people
Speaker 1: who have benefited from fracking. Uh. There's like this guy,
Speaker 1: Eric Garland, who they interviewed UH in Allegheny County who
Speaker 1: was saying, it's pretty much gotten my family through the
Speaker 1: late nineties and early two thousands for work. Both my father,
Speaker 1: brother and sister worked in the industry for a little while.
Speaker 1: My dad's still in the industry on the chemical stile side.
Speaker 1: But then he pivots by saying, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people are more environmentally active right now than they were,
Speaker 1: and it's hard because a lot of times they're either
Speaker 1: uninformed or misinformed about certain things. And I'm sure it
Speaker 1: goes both ways. So this person was saying, like, but
Speaker 1: it's different now because in Pennsylvania the environmental costs have
Speaker 1: really sort of come to the forefront of like what
Speaker 1: people's feelings around it are. UH. And I think, again,
Speaker 1: I just bring it up because there was this one quote.
Speaker 1: The reason I think it's just so it just underscores
Speaker 1: how sort of off they are is that it's this
Speaker 1: this is like an issue some consults told you about
Speaker 1: matters in this swing state. But you're not looking holistically.
Speaker 1: You're not looking at all of the Americans who are
Speaker 1: watching these debates and have very very pressing questions and
Speaker 1: concerns about their existence that aren't tied to fracking. And
Speaker 1: one voter in like a county where fracking was huge
Speaker 1: said quote, I just feel like there are so many
Speaker 1: other super important issues that could be talking about, like
Speaker 1: social justice, the pandemic, and voter suppression. Those jump out
Speaker 1: as important ones. Yeah, those jump out as those are
Speaker 1: Those are someones that I don't know, seems seemed like
Speaker 1: they might matter. It's always interesting to me like that
Speaker 1: when people view voters like abstractly, uh, you know, voters
Speaker 1: who aren't part of like the death cult of the
Speaker 1: Trump movement. Like, when they're viewed abstractly, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they care about fracking in Pennsylvania. But then like when
Speaker 1: you talk to them, they're just like, no, like we
Speaker 1: were aware of our surroundings. We know that, like, are
Speaker 1: there are issues that matter like environment and stuff like
Speaker 1: that and social justice like that. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: I always get told like I'm stupid for saying that,
Speaker 1: Like we underestimate people too much. But I I do
Speaker 1: think like the mainstream media in general just underestimates the
Speaker 1: public too much, other than the people who are, you know,
Speaker 1: in a giant cluster at at Trump rallies. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvanians also believe that this he stands to lose more
Speaker 1: ground like Oklahoma or Texas than Pennsylvania over fracking. So
Speaker 1: even Pennsylvania's like, I don't know if that's really the
Speaker 1: message here, And I think I just you'd wish to
Speaker 1: in that whole debate, you could have talked about something else.
Speaker 1: You could have spent you know, eight minutes r along
Speaker 1: the funk. That back and forth was on something like
Speaker 1: the working class, Uh, the invisible, unhoused populations that are
Speaker 1: increasing across the country. Uh, you know, fucking like actual
Speaker 1: substantive remedies to the systemic racism uh and xenophobia that
Speaker 1: we see in this country. But I think this we're
Speaker 1: we're seeing very clearly what the priorities are, which is like,
Speaker 1: just get through this, say the magic words, and then
Speaker 1: we'll see how much of a vision for a brighter
Speaker 1: tomorrow there is. Yeah, but so did you watch the debate? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I caught it this morning, and I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I was just I'm already decided on who I'm going
Speaker 1: to vote for U, So I'm wondering why I put
Speaker 1: myself through it. But it's it's just it's just one
Speaker 1: of those clusters that you just gotta watch and you
Speaker 1: can't really look away. Yeah, yeah, I know. Do you
Speaker 1: found yourself being like who is this for? You're like,
Speaker 1: what who do we need? Did we need to do
Speaker 1: this again? Because all he managed to do was not
Speaker 1: scream because there was a mute function, and suddenly he's
Speaker 1: the victor. Uh. As a little frustrating, and I think
Speaker 1: again is disheartening when you know there are really like
Speaker 1: the major societal issues that should have the attention of
Speaker 1: a platform of a debate, But when you're two sort
Speaker 1: of combatants in the debate ring or just two old
Speaker 1: guys trying to do like what about you? What about
Speaker 1: you sort of tactics, it fails to sort of be
Speaker 1: nourishing two people with like those concerns. And I think
Speaker 1: unless like debates have a live function of like what's
Speaker 1: true and what's false? Uh, there's just really no point
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, unless you like make sure everybody
Speaker 1: does like a deep dive afterwards, because there's just so
Speaker 1: much stuff that's just said and you have to believe
Speaker 1: it or you don't. And we should really just find
Speaker 1: out what the undecideds are, what they care about, and
Speaker 1: why they're undecided in the first place, and just focus
Speaker 1: on those topics. Right. So there's this Peggy Noonan article.
Speaker 1: She's a Wall Street Journal columnist and like one of
Speaker 1: the most popular and widely read conservative opinion writers, and yeah,
Speaker 1: what one of the lead things she was saying, She's like,
Speaker 1: Trump won the debate. Uh, not a dazzling win, but
Speaker 1: a win that kept him in the game. He succeeded
Speaker 1: in doing what Joe Biden didn't have to do. If
Speaker 1: you wanted or needed an excuse an out to vote
Speaker 1: for Mr Trump, if you wanted an argument that justified
Speaker 1: your decision in a conversation in the office, he probably
Speaker 1: gave you what you need, which, Uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: what hypothetical workplace she's referring to. I mean, let's play
Speaker 1: this out, Jack, where you are the person who voted
Speaker 1: for Trump, and I'm your angry coworker who's confronting you. Wait,
Speaker 1: what the funk man? You voted for Trump. Did you
Speaker 1: see the debate? Yeah, man, did you see the debate?
Speaker 1: I mean he was like he bear like, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure he didn't ship himself. Uh no, but but he
Speaker 1: what about all the racist stuff, the dog whistling stuff.
Speaker 1: He said, he said, these children that are being separated
Speaker 1: at the border are like he was talking to them
Speaker 1: as if they were subhuman? Is that who built the cage? Miles,
Speaker 1: who built the cage? So this is what the thing
Speaker 1: that this statement that she makes, I don't know what
Speaker 1: excuse does it actually give you, Like it just for
Speaker 1: for you to just be able to live in your
Speaker 1: own head, because there's nothing you could say out loud
Speaker 1: rhetorically that would be like, yeah, you're right man, he
Speaker 1: really was. He really did turn a corner there. He's
Speaker 1: not the racist, uh just destroyer of all things that
Speaker 1: he's proven himself to be. Well, he did say he
Speaker 1: was the least racist person in the room, so you know,
Speaker 1: and it was very theatrical the way he looked out
Speaker 1: into the audience to make sure there weren't any less
Speaker 1: racist people out there. But that's I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's too dark in here to see all the dark
Speaker 1: skinned people but I'm pretty sure, like that's out. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what was he talking about in that moment anyway, That
Speaker 1: whole idea that that's a glimpse into the minds of
Speaker 1: the people who have to do it, is like, I
Speaker 1: just need an excuse, Please give me excuse, Please give
Speaker 1: me excuse, because the race is as bad. I just
Speaker 1: need a thing that wasn't so racist and fucked and evil.
Speaker 1: And I can immediately put all that aside because I
Speaker 1: am only looking for the candidate that is here to
Speaker 1: uphold and nurture de facto white supremacy uh and patriarchy
Speaker 1: in this country. She made a point that in our
Speaker 1: debate recap, I was I was kind of also saying
Speaker 1: in a different way, but she was saying Biden too
Speaker 1: often lapses into government speak, like saying things like the
Speaker 1: public option uh. And you know Trump, she says, like
Speaker 1: smartly kind of tied that to him being in government
Speaker 1: for forty seven years. And I do think Trump has
Speaker 1: the thing that I was identifying as something like I
Speaker 1: wish we had the Democrats had a candidate like Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Warren or AOC or Bernie Sanders who speaks like a
Speaker 1: person and not like a politician who just like uses
Speaker 1: words rather than like having like these like catch phrases
Speaker 1: and like having to manufacture these ideas and like you
Speaker 1: see it like formulating in their brain. But then at
Speaker 1: the end of that paragraph talking about like Mr Trump's
Speaker 1: power recovered Thursday night is to speak like normal people
Speaker 1: so you can understand him without having to translate what
Speaker 1: he's saying in your head. He appears to have lied
Speaker 1: a great deal that will be adjudicated in the coming days.
Speaker 1: So like to your point, Bush or like the thing
Speaker 1: about him like lying and like not having a fact checker,
Speaker 1: Like it's just if that is your standard that like
Speaker 1: he appears to it's just like who's the better liar,
Speaker 1: who's the more convincing liar? Um, And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he appears to have lied a great deal that will
Speaker 1: be adjudicated in the coming days. That has no, that's
Speaker 1: never a thing that people like sit around and wait
Speaker 1: for the fact checkers to weigh in like they've already
Speaker 1: made up their mind. So yeah, it's a weird way
Speaker 1: to determine who who win an election. She also points
Speaker 1: to like this fact that and I think does like
Speaker 1: a decent job of putting it into words that like
Speaker 1: we still think that like he has this magical ability
Speaker 1: to uh defy the polls and she, she says, pull
Speaker 1: a black swan out of his hat. It's like a
Speaker 1: a column where I was, like, I get why she
Speaker 1: is a popular columnist. She does a good job of
Speaker 1: like describing the moment what our fears are, that like
Speaker 1: he's just got this magic that he's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to pull again where he defies the polls. But then,
Speaker 1: but then the last two paragraphs are unbelievable in like
Speaker 1: just the dog whistling the size of a foghorn, as
Speaker 1: Biden put it. She suddenly turns to Kamala Harris and says,
Speaker 1: for her part, Vice presidential nominee, Kamala Harris is went
Speaker 1: on the trail giddy. She's dancing with drumline lines and
Speaker 1: beginning rallies with whass up Florida. She's throwing her head
Speaker 1: back and laughing out loud. But she's coming across as insubstantial, frivolous.
Speaker 1: When she started to dance in the ran on stage
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville to marry J Blige's work, that it was embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Apparently you're not allowed to say these things because she's
Speaker 1: a woman, and she's doubling down on giddy because you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to say them. It's just like she starts
Speaker 1: like being a bad writer and being racist at the
Speaker 1: same time. It's just like she ends it. She goes,
Speaker 1: if you can't imitate gravity, you could at least try
Speaker 1: for seriousness. I hate the shallowness with which politics is
Speaker 1: now done, the absolute purility of it. Do you were
Speaker 1: on the losing side? The future is an endless loop
Speaker 1: of Barack Obama on between two ferns stamping on your
Speaker 1: face forever. So let me just so, Barack Obama and
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris are responsible for the un seriousness of politics.
Speaker 1: This is coming from someone who was on the editorial
Speaker 1: board of the Wall Street Journal, which is currently repeating
Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden pizza gate ship. Un she just sung
Speaker 1: the praises of Trump rallies because she does point to
Speaker 1: Trump rallies as being like an indicator that he might
Speaker 1: succeed again there where he has made fun of candidates
Speaker 1: for of journalists for being disabled and bragged that he
Speaker 1: could shoot someone and get away with it. And she
Speaker 1: has a problem with Obama and Kamala I'm I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what they have in common that would
Speaker 1: make her unable to take them seriously when racists are
Speaker 1: so bad, like like the racists just don't know how
Speaker 1: to not be racist. You know. She she was really
Speaker 1: holding it together. And then's like all those black people
Speaker 1: are just two Damn. I don't know, I don't understanding
Speaker 1: on your face forever? What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You unbelievable, It's unbelievable. But yeah, she just like couldn't
Speaker 1: hold it together well. And and the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: she was able to get that published and just just
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want about like you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people just you know, hold a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for Rock pressent Barack Obama, and and you know
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, like she represents like who we all want
Speaker 1: to see, you know, in office, and just that oh,
Speaker 1: we can't say anything it might be racist. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and be racist because I
Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, conform. But it's just insane
Speaker 1: that these people are just allowed to say whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the logic is like, oh, and I can't say
Speaker 1: anything racist because you're gonna say it's racist. It's but
Speaker 1: she won't even say that. She says, apparently you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to say these things because she's a woman. What
Speaker 1: what's that's Q and on logic, that's all and on
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to avoid, trying to avoid actually talking
Speaker 1: about the reality of it and I and I and
Speaker 1: explain things in a way that doesn't make white supremacy
Speaker 1: and issue or racism and issues. So it's going to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's woke culture and it's women can't
Speaker 1: attack women rather than me trying to paint a black
Speaker 1: politician as someone being un serious or jokey for for
Speaker 1: holding office. It's embarrassing, it really is. It's like you
Speaker 1: couldn't more clearly be the racist women character from The Help,
Speaker 1: Like that's the vibes she's giving off those characters. That
Speaker 1: movie is ridiculous and like cartoonish and shitty. But like
Speaker 1: that's when you see something like this, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not an over the top portrayal by Bryce Dallas Howard,
Speaker 1: Like that's that that woman exists currently in modern America
Speaker 1: and an opinion column. Yeah, and didn't that movie like
Speaker 1: why I Shoe the Top on Netflix? When people who
Speaker 1: are trying to learn more about trying to be more wocused,
Speaker 1: Like let's watch The Help, let me learn and absorb.
Speaker 1: Oh man, their stories. You know, oh so many other
Speaker 1: movies you can watch. It's like, well, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get that uncomfortable by sort of putting a mirror
Speaker 1: up to my own behavior, So I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: it at the help level. I don't really want to
Speaker 1: go further and to maybe understanding what sort of micro
Speaker 1: macro aggressions I'm putting up. Just watch The Help that
Speaker 1: in Florida they're having to add police to polling stations
Speaker 1: because they're they're armed people at the end of last
Speaker 1: week going and basically intimidating people. These people are clearly
Speaker 1: Trump supporters and in fact have said that they were
Speaker 1: hired by the Trump campaign to go, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: patrol and intimidate voters. You're you're seeing all sorts of
Speaker 1: people who are wearing Black Lives Matters t shirts not
Speaker 1: being allowed to vote because people claim it's political. But
Speaker 1: then there are cops who have Trump masks on at
Speaker 1: polling places. So it's you're seeing the funny is coming
Speaker 1: in in full effect. And yeah, yeah, And the problem is,
Speaker 1: like if any other country did this, we'd be like, wow,
Speaker 1: that country, they're so backwards, look at their corrupt government,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'd probably go and invade them to
Speaker 1: help them with democracy. But when it happens here, it
Speaker 1: just seems to just be okay, Like I never understood,
Speaker 1: like why is that okay? It's it's just that it's
Speaker 1: the it's the comfort of American nous, you know, that
Speaker 1: allows certain Americans to never have that level of like
Speaker 1: introspection about like our country and just always launched these
Speaker 1: hollow attacks of like you know, I see the memes
Speaker 1: or they're like, oh my god, and communist countries, everything
Speaker 1: looks the same cut to our like tracked housing neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and mini malls that look have the exact I fucking bet,
Speaker 1: best Buy, pet Co and Ross in the same fucking facility.
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's it's no one's ever actually taking
Speaker 1: the moment to be like, well, people starve in those countries, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: people are starving in the United States as well. You know,
Speaker 1: eight million people just suddenly entered poverty like that without
Speaker 1: any any sort of willingness of the federal government to do,
Speaker 1: you know, to help people. And so I think and
Speaker 1: now everyone's just projecting the same way the federal government
Speaker 1: treats them onto each other, which is, well, the government
Speaker 1: doesn't give a funk about me, why should I give
Speaker 1: a funk about other people? Fuck it? And then it's
Speaker 1: just it's you know, manifesting in all these awful, awful ways. Um.
Speaker 1: But the one thing, oh, I wanted to also talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, on the heels of that Peggy noon In
Speaker 1: article was Frank Luentz, the Republican poster. He also did
Speaker 1: a focus group after the debate, and you know, with
Speaker 1: what he calls undecided voters. And if you're an undecided
Speaker 1: voter at the point, you are either horrifyingly disengaged from
Speaker 1: the news or you are a coward racist or both.
Speaker 1: And you can tell by the way these people were
Speaker 1: responding after the debate. So Frank Lentz, he's like the
Speaker 1: you know, he's like the big time conservative poster. He's
Speaker 1: been the one saying, he recently said, if Trump wins
Speaker 1: and the polls are all wrong, polling is done. The
Speaker 1: industry is going to be fucked if he wins again. Uh, Like,
Speaker 1: I think there's bigger issues if he wins again. It's
Speaker 1: not just gonna be with the polling industry. But oh god,
Speaker 1: can you imagine you think of once you think of
Speaker 1: the people, the pole watchers, I'm not I'm not selling
Speaker 1: my boat. I'll tell you that I ain't selling a
Speaker 1: boat because of the pole industry going down anyway. So
Speaker 1: he goes on to speak with some of these undecided
Speaker 1: and you can just tell by the responses that these
Speaker 1: people are not unders there. They're undecided on whether they
Speaker 1: want to be known as racist or you know, completely ignorant, xenophobic,
Speaker 1: everything that it's wrong with America. So after the poll
Speaker 1: or after the debate, they say several of the focused
Speaker 1: group participants said they were more likely to consider voting
Speaker 1: for Trump after the debate. Quote, I am leaning more
Speaker 1: toward Trump now. However, however, okay, did you heard me
Speaker 1: say I'm leaning more. But this is the thing I quote,
Speaker 1: I still don't feel like I have good answers on
Speaker 1: the race issues. And that's a very very important issue
Speaker 1: to me in this country right now. That doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like someone where racial equality is an important issue to
Speaker 1: them in this country right now. Whatever that answer means
Speaker 1: leaning towards Trump, but race is a very important issue
Speaker 1: to them. Right now. How in what sense? Well, maybe
Speaker 1: he meant white supremacy, Yeah, supremacist. Another person said, like,
Speaker 1: but in the group, a majority of their respondents, who
Speaker 1: are all coming from swing states, said Biden had a
Speaker 1: better character than Trump. Then another person said, ultimately, it's
Speaker 1: a choice between character and policy. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's the slowered expectations that you guys mentioned before, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, Trump didn't you know, he was able to
Speaker 1: be a bit coherent, and people just assumed that it
Speaker 1: meant that he knew what he was talking about, and
Speaker 1: just like he didn't completely flub everything, So why not,
Speaker 1: you know? But I don't know. But people who are undecided,
Speaker 1: I feel like that they're making a choice of whether
Speaker 1: or not people like of color, people like who look
Speaker 1: like me belong here. And it's just I remember when
Speaker 1: a difference of opinion of being a Republican or a
Speaker 1: Democrat was just like you could still respect each other's
Speaker 1: differences in opinion, and I don't. I think this day
Speaker 1: and age, it's either do you want to be do
Speaker 1: you want to like support white supremacy or not? Is
Speaker 1: just the main question. Yeah, And I like that is
Speaker 1: the decision. That's what's happening, like you, no matter what
Speaker 1: you what, Peggy Noonan tells you what these people are saying.
Speaker 1: If you support Trump, you're supporting white supremacy. If race
Speaker 1: is an important issue to you, you cannot categorically cannot
Speaker 1: vote for Trump, Like that's just your you can't do it. Um,
Speaker 1: if you give a funk about human beings, you cannot
Speaker 1: vote for that, for for for Donald Trump, just in general,
Speaker 1: fucking even animals, you know what I mean. The environment's
Speaker 1: getting sucked up to like it's it's really And Peggy
Speaker 1: noon And you can tell the way she wrote if
Speaker 1: you were looking for a reason they had it. That's
Speaker 1: her telling all the people who are afraid to get
Speaker 1: completely like you know, alienated, to be like, that's okay,
Speaker 1: you can do it. I'll be on your team to
Speaker 1: to you even if you vote for for racism, it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay. And these people and you can still even
Speaker 1: these respondents where like they're leaning more towards tomp now
Speaker 1: it's like no, you just it's it's a sad state
Speaker 1: of affairs. She spent three paragraphs talking about a Donald
Speaker 1: Trump rally and then and then accused Kamala Harris and
Speaker 1: Barack Obama of making politics frivolous and insubstantial, like that
Speaker 1: unbelievable cognitive dissonance going on. Yeah, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. It's pretty it's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because again when I when I see this focus group,
Speaker 1: uh like article, I'm like seeing it's there's the invisible
Speaker 1: racists are still out there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I'm I'm always just a little
Speaker 1: bit still very apprehensive of truly annoying like where this
Speaker 1: country is at through polling, because you see people who
Speaker 1: are so bending their fucking minds in the wildest ways
Speaker 1: to try and rationalize how this presidency has is good
Speaker 1: or worth enduring for a further four years. Uh, And
Speaker 1: it's yeah in her colin Peggy Noon and refers to
Speaker 1: Trump's ability to pull a victory out or to five
Speaker 1: the polls, or defy common wisdom, defy the mainstream media
Speaker 1: as like his dark magic that we don't understand. No,
Speaker 1: we understand that he is the first politician in a
Speaker 1: long time who's willing to be openly racist in a
Speaker 1: racist country. Like that is his dark magic that like
Speaker 1: he appeals to racists and a racist country and before people,
Speaker 1: we're not openly doing that, Like that's that's what he's doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like the way he doubled down on like Columbus Day,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I felt like we as a people,
Speaker 1: as a country moved past that. And then the statement
Speaker 1: he released on Columbus Day about yeah, let's celebrate this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, and just like everything he stood for is
Speaker 1: just like it was like the slap in the face
Speaker 1: of like I thought we stopped celebrating that back when
Speaker 1: I was in elementary school. Uh, but he's just doubling
Speaker 1: down on that because that's just his base, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's all and again, yeah, that's all he can
Speaker 1: do because it's not it's not going to bring people
Speaker 1: on the outside in like now he's And that's why
Speaker 1: what's also worrying about, like the amount of new registrations
Speaker 1: the Republicans have also managed to get too, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are plenty of disengaged racists that are like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I gotta fucking vote this time too, because
Speaker 1: you know, enthusiasm could be just as big on the
Speaker 1: right as it is on the left. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people just mean, like I think enthusiasm
Speaker 1: equals people who are registered Democrats. It's like, uh no
Speaker 1: that because let's let's face it, like white supremacy is
Speaker 1: a foundational touchstone, cornerstone of American culture, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: when people are telling you it's the fourth quarter, you
Speaker 1: need to come, you need to lace up and get
Speaker 1: out there and vote for white supremacy. There are plenty
Speaker 1: of people who are willing to do that. What do
Speaker 1: the political ads to engage racists look like? I'm curious
Speaker 1: that if that ever, you know, if that market here
Speaker 1: in California, I see, well, the I see a lot
Speaker 1: of Trump digital ads like if I'm you know, watching
Speaker 1: trash reality TV like on TLC dot com or something
Speaker 1: like that, and you get like a mid roll ad.
Speaker 1: That's why I've seen so many political ads, like just
Speaker 1: watching digital video that has like ads, and his are
Speaker 1: all like lawn order based. It's police being like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna chief of police and Joe Bienen, He's gonna
Speaker 1: get all the Antifa's in here and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: just chaos. And I'm that's why I'm with Trump, because
Speaker 1: he's he's with the cops and it's like just showing
Speaker 1: like you know, like sort of uprising footage and things
Speaker 1: like that. So it's just all he's using cops, basically
Speaker 1: using the binary of cops and unhappy people of color,
Speaker 1: and you know what to do. Just before the debate
Speaker 1: started last night, I got a bunch of vote yes,
Speaker 1: I'm Prop twenty ads. And the way that they so
Speaker 1: Prop twenty is basically trying to repeal criminal justice reforms
Speaker 1: and you know, throw the book at anybody who commits
Speaker 1: a crime. And the that this ad worked was using
Speaker 1: the same dog whistles that the Trump administration uses or
Speaker 1: the same like sort of scare tactics with human trafficking.
Speaker 1: They were like right now, like California makes it okay
Speaker 1: for human trafficking, and they had it. They had video
Speaker 1: of a seven year old child with like like basically
Speaker 1: like gore makeup on like there, her like lip was
Speaker 1: like all funked up in her eye, like she had
Speaker 1: a black eye, and she was like looking at the
Speaker 1: camera and it was like, yo, what the fuck. It
Speaker 1: was some of the just like darkest ship I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in a political ad um. But yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what they do to. It's the same one with
Speaker 1: like the dialysis clinics where like you see the ads
Speaker 1: where the really the coalition of dialysis centers has paid
Speaker 1: for because they don't want additional oversight, you know, to
Speaker 1: like make the or business be like humane and like
Speaker 1: dy've just parading all these people like they're gonna take
Speaker 1: away my dialysis if you vote for this please, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: and then you read at the end it's like paid
Speaker 1: for by the motherfucker's that are getting so rich off
Speaker 1: of jankie dialysis centers. Yes, exactly, Um, it's all about
Speaker 1: it's actually just making it so it's harder for dialysis
Speaker 1: centers to infect you when you go there, right, Um,
Speaker 1: make doctors have to work at dialysis centers rather than
Speaker 1: like people who they pay like ship and treat like
Speaker 1: and people are just like, yeah, man, I'm I'm sick
Speaker 1: with the renal ship. Man, I'm I'm an expert in
Speaker 1: renal issues, dude, any kidney stuff or my doctor. No, bro,
Speaker 1: my uncle owns the space. But uh I did a
Speaker 1: fucking sick online class and now I'm running it. And
Speaker 1: like yeah, when you really look at how the state
Speaker 1: of dialysis clinics. I'm sure this is nationwide. You're like,
Speaker 1: holy ship man, Like these people are really spending money
Speaker 1: to be like, no, we need to keep our care
Speaker 1: sub standard so we can make more money. It'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how people vote on that, like how
Speaker 1: much the political ads work, because yeah, it's very transparent,
Speaker 1: it's very straightforward in terms of like a thing a
Speaker 1: law that would like there's really only probably twenty people
Speaker 1: in the County of Los Angeles who would be for
Speaker 1: like making it easier for dialysis centers to you know,
Speaker 1: be dirty and shitty. But like I I feel like
Speaker 1: these ads have been so omnipresent they're gonna get some votes.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll
Speaker 1: come back and check back in with Havana syndrome. And
Speaker 1: we're back. And the New York Times recently reported on
Speaker 1: a story, uh that we've been checking in with. I
Speaker 1: thought I had my mind made for years, literally years.
Speaker 1: Were three years into this motherfucker. Um. So, when the
Speaker 1: Trump administration first started, there were accounts of CIA agents
Speaker 1: and diplomats working in Cuba getting attacked by these like
Speaker 1: sound weapons they would like get out of bed, Suddenly
Speaker 1: a beam of sound would hit them and they would
Speaker 1: have concussions concussion like symptoms, and it was wild story.
Speaker 1: People were like, they're using like sci fi weapons on Americans.
Speaker 1: But then like as it went on, like the symptoms
Speaker 1: were so vague and they all overlapped with like symptoms
Speaker 1: of aging. It was like, my hearing is worse and
Speaker 1: my balance is worse, And it just had a lot
Speaker 1: of the hallmarks of massive systeria. The other reason that
Speaker 1: it had the hallmarks of mass hysteria is the broader
Speaker 1: context was the Trump administration wanted to pull people out
Speaker 1: of Cuba because they wanted to just withdraw and do
Speaker 1: away with all the all the progress that the Obama
Speaker 1: administration had made in Cuba. So there's new information that
Speaker 1: is putting a shred of doubt into my thinking on
Speaker 1: that that is what what was happening, Because they're saying
Speaker 1: that there have been these attacks throughout the world, including
Speaker 1: in Russia, UM and in China, And I knew that
Speaker 1: there had been some in China around the same time.
Speaker 1: I thought it was all part of like a similar
Speaker 1: Like once they heard what was happening in Cuba, they
Speaker 1: were like oh ship, maybe the same thing is happening
Speaker 1: to me. Get in on this. Yeah, but there's also
Speaker 1: people who were attacked in Russia. Uh, like they got
Speaker 1: out of bed in their hotel and udenly like they
Speaker 1: had a concussion even though nothing had happened to them.
Speaker 1: So now these CIA agents who were attacked or like
Speaker 1: pointing out that there is a pretty clear theory that
Speaker 1: you could come to that this is all Russia. That
Speaker 1: Russia is doing it in Cuba because they don't want
Speaker 1: American Cuban relations to improve. Uh. They did it to
Speaker 1: see I agents who were undercover in Russia. Um, they
Speaker 1: did it to people in China because they don't want
Speaker 1: American Chinese relations get to go well. And the Trump
Speaker 1: administration is actually ignoring it everywhere that's not Cuba, because
Speaker 1: the Trump administration, you know, like just does not want
Speaker 1: to have have negative interactions with Russia with regards to
Speaker 1: any any mistreating of American you know, it would be
Speaker 1: of a piece with um, you know, the Trump administration
Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that Vladimir Putin and Russia was putting
Speaker 1: bounties out on on U S soldiers. So you're saying,
Speaker 1: you're moving from the mass hysteria column, because before you
Speaker 1: were firmly I believe that, Like when this story first
Speaker 1: came out, I remember you bring up a lot of
Speaker 1: other sort of mass hysteria things that had gone on,
Speaker 1: where people are all believing something was going on, And
Speaker 1: now you are actually being like, all right, maybe it's
Speaker 1: microwave weapons. Maybe it's microwave weapons from Russia. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I've always said I'm I'm open to
Speaker 1: like being convinced either way. I think it's it's just
Speaker 1: a super interesting mystery. I think the way that the
Speaker 1: human mind can create these mass hysterias that are in
Speaker 1: fact like become physical is really fascinating. That's a super
Speaker 1: interesting subject. It happens all the time. It's more common
Speaker 1: and more devastating, more powerful than anybody than people usually
Speaker 1: give it credit for. But I also think that there's now,
Speaker 1: you know, context that makes it possible that, you know,
Speaker 1: the reason we only had the Cuba like details on
Speaker 1: the Cuba thing was because the Trump administration is covering
Speaker 1: for Russia to try and you know, keep things quiet,
Speaker 1: because Trump is homies with Putin. I had not heard
Speaker 1: of this. This is very interesting. Microwave weapons Wow, super interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm just going from pretty firmly in the this is
Speaker 1: hysteria camp to having one foot that like I'd be
Speaker 1: perfectly willing to believe that it's hysteria and one foot
Speaker 1: in the uh. It would also make sense to me
Speaker 1: if Trump was covering up for a bunch of Russian attacks,
Speaker 1: because that just seems to be what he does. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was willing to ignore you know, bounties on straight
Speaker 1: up bounties on US troops. How does that? It's another like,
Speaker 1: the more uh distance I have from the final debate,
Speaker 1: the more I'm like, there's so many things that they
Speaker 1: could have brought up that I was just thinking, Like
Speaker 1: he didn't bring up the bounties. He didn't bring up
Speaker 1: he didn't. Yeah, Like they just Democrats just get themselves,
Speaker 1: like they triangulate themselves into a corner where they just
Speaker 1: like think that they have to be you know, delicate
Speaker 1: and balanced and um careful about their wording, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: just say the thing you think. And I think if
Speaker 1: Biden had brought up mark a wave weapons and a debate,
Speaker 1: I think everybody would be like paying attention all those
Speaker 1: undecided like what what do my mind. So, yeah, this
Speaker 1: lost opportunity right there. Yeah, I wonder if it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all time wasted on fracking. And it's like so
Speaker 1: funny how they there's all this concern about there's no
Speaker 1: middle class and da da da, and yet you you know, mathematically,
Speaker 1: if you started talking about things like minimum wage or
Speaker 1: the working class, you're immediately going from a topic that
Speaker 1: maybe only effects like the thirty thou people directly involved
Speaker 1: with fracking in Pennsylvania two millions of Americans across the
Speaker 1: entire country. Because then you're like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the fun fracking is, but you start maybe we
Speaker 1: can talk a little bit more about this minimum wage
Speaker 1: and how even fifteen dollars isn't actually a living wage either,
Speaker 1: and maybe we could talk a little bit more about that,
Speaker 1: because I don't think there's any person unless you're such
Speaker 1: a craven racist, which means you're like a Trump supporter,
Speaker 1: where you're gonna be like, I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: about how minimum wage should be more money so people
Speaker 1: could actually like raise a family on that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about, Like what the what? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: remember when my my mom would say like in the seventies,
Speaker 1: they would have my she and my dad would have
Speaker 1: like these random jobs like minimum wage, but like you
Speaker 1: can they pay their apartment, they got groceries, they were
Speaker 1: able to, you know, have a family, like all those
Speaker 1: things that minimum age used to do. And now it's
Speaker 1: it's nothing. You can't sustain life. So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know why, you like people just seem to forget
Speaker 1: what that used to bring. Uh you know what that
Speaker 1: used to mean for a family. It would seem like
Speaker 1: being the party that cares about people and that once
Speaker 1: uh the once the majority of people to have a
Speaker 1: have a living wage like all the people who are
Speaker 1: being left behind like that, they would be the party
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have to carefully choose every word and like
Speaker 1: use political speak. But the Democrats, I feel like can't
Speaker 1: get out of their own way a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, forty two percent of Americans make under fifteen
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars an hour. Yeah, so just what you could
Speaker 1: you go from a wedge issue, a niche niche wedge
Speaker 1: iss you're talking about fracking and you start talking about
Speaker 1: minimum wage a little bit more top and about Hey,
Speaker 1: people understand the pandemics hard. I understand you might have
Speaker 1: a child. You know, actually you should probably be making
Speaker 1: at least twenty five dollars an hour if you are
Speaker 1: a single parent trying to survive in a metropolitan area.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's all this whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's because both parties are
Speaker 1: just so ill equipped to begin talking about those issues
Speaker 1: because they all all those roads lead back to the
Speaker 1: donor class that actually need to be taxed more, uh
Speaker 1: and need to be earning like making less profit. So
Speaker 1: it's just always about, you know, let's talk about minimum
Speaker 1: wage and then we'll just leave it there and then
Speaker 1: have arguments over like what's what what a relative living
Speaker 1: wages based on where you live in the country, rather
Speaker 1: than like addressing the need of Americans to be able
Speaker 1: to live in a way that their labor is uh
Speaker 1: compensated in a in a you know, proportional manner, proportionate manner. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Like they haven't raised the minimum wage in eleven years.
Speaker 1: That's never happened since it was first established. Congress has
Speaker 1: never let it go and change for so long, Like
Speaker 1: how how do you not just like be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is the problem. We will change that
Speaker 1: this guy hasn't and refuses to and is just focused
Speaker 1: on the stock market. Ah. Well, on that note, come on,
Speaker 1: just one more week, one more week, everybody, and then
Speaker 1: we can and it'll be one more week and Halloween
Speaker 1: and it'll be four more years, guys, just four more years. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't even know how long that election will last, right,
Speaker 1: They could be like one month and then we'll find
Speaker 1: out and maybe not, you know, so that's a good point. Um,
Speaker 1: as long as we have those poll watchers. They're armed
Speaker 1: with long rifles. Just already. Busher, It's been so fun
Speaker 1: having you on the as like, where can people uh
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you, check you out? Yeah cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun being on this podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm on Busher Bernie dot com. That's my website,
Speaker 1: b U s h R A b U R and
Speaker 1: e y dot com. And I'm on Instagram, Twitter, more
Speaker 1: Instagram than Twitter, as bush Ra writer. Uh that's w
Speaker 1: R I T e R after Bushra on Instagram and Twitter. Um,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I post stuff on there and hopefully
Speaker 1: we're going to do another run of shows for the
Speaker 1: Live Zoom Virtual Show. Michel the Coolfee Paradox in December.
Speaker 1: We'll see how things settle after the election and whether
Speaker 1: you know we're still around, you know, we you know,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes. And yeah, so but otherwise,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably have a newsletter up on my website.
Speaker 1: People can just check that out and see when they
Speaker 1: can expect shows. Awesome and what's what's your show about?
Speaker 1: So it's kind of just about this existential crisis that
Speaker 1: I go down, and it revolves around dessert. It's called
Speaker 1: the Golfee Paradox and Goldfee is this creamy frozen dessert
Speaker 1: from Pakistan in India and my mom used to my
Speaker 1: mom has this recipe and I kind of created my
Speaker 1: own version of the recipe. So it starts off with
Speaker 1: me trying to figure out this recipe. But then you know,
Speaker 1: I go down this exit gentile crisis of like work
Speaker 1: is messing me up and oh but like it's a
Speaker 1: life I'm leading, Like is that worth the struggles my
Speaker 1: parents went through? And so it's just kind of my
Speaker 1: journey through all of that and all right, while I'm
Speaker 1: prancing around my apartment and I'm not prancing, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm making coffee. I'm I'm pretending to be different people,
Speaker 1: a couple of different people, and uh yeah, just my
Speaker 1: Hobbs my stuff to Hobbs Doll makes an appearance as well. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's it's a lot of fun. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm doing it, but I love doing it.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things like I don't know why
Speaker 1: I'm stressing myself out so much to do it, but
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun and I'm really glad I'm
Speaker 1: able to get my story out and just kind of
Speaker 1: honor my parents and you my journey through that kind
Speaker 1: of show. Is there a tweet or some other work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying? Well, you know, Hulu
Speaker 1: recently posted this thing on Twitter about about the the
Speaker 1: reboot of Animaniacs, and I can't wait. What do you
Speaker 1: know when that's coming out? That's gonna be done in November. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, uh so just one more month, guys, Just
Speaker 1: one more month and all our troubles are over the election.
Speaker 1: Animaniacs reboot. Um, I think there's a Fraggle Rock reboot
Speaker 1: coming at you. All good things. Yeah, they're rebooting Fraggles Miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What's tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Oh man, you can find me on Twitter, Instagram. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray. Also the other podcast for twenty
Speaker 1: Day Fiance talking about ninety day Fiance. Uh And a
Speaker 1: tweet I like comes from Jesus nice himself list Mr
Speaker 1: law Marina and a mesh Marina with a fresh misdemeanor
Speaker 1: and a cool demeanor. Uh he So he quote tweeted
Speaker 1: this picture from Derek Guy at die work where and
Speaker 1: it's a photo of Rudy Giuliani and standing next to
Speaker 1: somebody says, if your lawyer comes in wearing these, you
Speaker 1: are absolutely going to jail. And it's Rudy Giuliani's shoes
Speaker 1: and they look like like eight bit pixel shoes. Like
Speaker 1: they're so blocky. I've never seen anything like this. I
Speaker 1: don't even know where you could purchase a shoe like this.
Speaker 1: Let alone give you the description of what this shoe is.
Speaker 1: It's like a loafer Chuka moccasin. Well, I have no
Speaker 1: fucking clue what's going on here. And then Jesus he
Speaker 1: tweets with that he says, man's rocking the geppetto elevens.
Speaker 1: These shoes are so absurd. I can't even the you
Speaker 1: have to I'm retweeting you. Just check out my Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Yes, fantastic, that's amazing. Uh. Some tweets I've
Speaker 1: been enjoying at driving Me. Maddie tweeted kid trigger treat me,
Speaker 1: did you vote yet? Kid? No, I'm eight me. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well then I ate your snickers. Get the funk out. Um.
Speaker 1: We'll leave it with that. Uh, find me on Twitter,
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: zeite Guys dot com where we post our episodes and
Speaker 1: our footnotes. We link off to the information that we
Speaker 1: talked about today's episode, as well as the song we
Speaker 1: right out on. What are we writting out on the
Speaker 1: two days? We are going to go out on a
Speaker 1: track UM from Madison McFerrin and Bote. It was a
Speaker 1: great producer. Madison McFerrin is actually Bobby McFerrin's daughter, uh,
Speaker 1: and we've done one of her tracks in the past,
Speaker 1: but this has a little bit more like bunky eclectric
Speaker 1: electronic production and her voice is just super dope and
Speaker 1: just like her father, like very good at using the
Speaker 1: voice as an instrument harmonically and for a little accent.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just some some nice things to
Speaker 1: listen to. Has a little bit of heart soul to it.
Speaker 1: And it's called Looks And I don't know how to
Speaker 1: speak French, but it's it's spelled O U t r
Speaker 1: E l u x uh. So check that out. That's
Speaker 1: from Phote and Madison mcx uh. Don't worry, be happy.
Speaker 1: It's my two year old song right now. I bet
Speaker 1: should still go. Oh, you know, when I get off
Speaker 1: to this, I'm gonna be just blowing my car doors.
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