Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Happy belated birthday. Will I mean, now,
Speaker 1: by the time this episode air, is your birthday is
Speaker 1: like a month old. But exactly I'm forty seven by
Speaker 1: the time, so that'll be great. But thank you. That's
Speaker 1: very very sweet, and I'm gonna say it very quickly.
Speaker 1: Here's a here's a very quick side note of the
Speaker 1: restaurant I went to on the night of my birthday
Speaker 1: was in the North End of Boston and his restaurant
Speaker 1: called lemon Cello. And I know it because I had
Speaker 1: been there before with Daniel Fisherlan writer, strong and writer somehow,
Speaker 1: and we still don't know how this is even possible.
Speaker 1: He spilled so much food on himself. Well, it's because
Speaker 1: I eat like a crazy person. We've already talked about
Speaker 1: that everywhere. It was if that was one of the
Speaker 1: his meals. By the way, we had so much fun
Speaker 1: that meal here in Boston for a convention, and we
Speaker 1: just it was such a delightful evening. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a white shirt on. It's here. Here's here's possible.
Speaker 1: I think what happened Now that I have children and
Speaker 1: I see the way they eat, I think maybe what
Speaker 1: happened is something fell off his fork, down his shirt,
Speaker 1: down his pant leg, down onto the floor. It was impressive.
Speaker 1: We we saw that he had a lot of sauce.
Speaker 1: Then you got last to your room and you texted
Speaker 1: us and you said, guys, they're sauce in my undershirt.
Speaker 1: It was like, somehow the sauce goot. You had too
Speaker 1: much shirts on. You had at least two at least
Speaker 1: and it was on the shirt under sauce. It was impressive.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely impressive. It really was. That's what I
Speaker 1: had had to go back. That was where I spent.
Speaker 1: You get a chance to eat with right or Strong,
Speaker 1: to do it. Take it. It's like going to a
Speaker 1: Gallagher concert. If you're in the first three rows, you
Speaker 1: will get wet. It's absolutely worth it. Yeah, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: welcome to Shamu Here, take your your complimentary you know,
Speaker 1: splash man, never et again, salad dressing man. Well, welcome
Speaker 1: to Pod meets World. I'm Danielle fish All, I'm right
Speaker 1: or Strong. I am a very dry Wilford ll thank you.
Speaker 1: Uh So. In our last episode, we had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to Betsy Randall, who is absolutely one of
Speaker 1: the stars of this Episode's just amazing um. Speaking of
Speaker 1: this episode, we are talking about episode number ten one
Speaker 1: ten as it's called Santa's Little Helper. It originally aired
Speaker 1: on December. The synopsis is that Sean's dad gets laid
Speaker 1: off near Christmas, creating a dilemma for both Corey and Sean,
Speaker 1: and Santa Claus has a heart attack when Morgan sits
Speaker 1: on his lap, possibly traumatizing her forever. It was directed
Speaker 1: by David Trayner. It was written by Susan Estelle Jansen,
Speaker 1: and the guest cast is Tom Lagrua as the elf.
Speaker 1: He was a Yeah, he's a big sitcom actor playing
Speaker 1: He usually plays like an Italian mobster type. He was
Speaker 1: on Golden Girls, Growing Pain Seinfeld, and he did five
Speaker 1: episodes of Home Improvement. Apparently everybody was on Home Improvement.
Speaker 1: I was Improvement. I thought, I thought you were Daniel, No,
Speaker 1: I are you going? Jonathan Taylor Thomas right, and then
Speaker 1: Zachary Tye Brian wanted me to play his girlfriend on
Speaker 1: the show. Uh, And Michael told my mom know that
Speaker 1: that was a bad idea. It was a writer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was around the time that I had started on
Speaker 1: boy Meat's World, like it was in I think towards
Speaker 1: the end of the cot what he said to my
Speaker 1: mom was he said, you know, that's a bad look
Speaker 1: for her. You don't want her to seem like an
Speaker 1: actress for hire. And my mom was like, but she,
Speaker 1: but she she actor is at what you don't want
Speaker 1: to look like. She wants to work. If he wanted
Speaker 1: you to be a regular, he could have put that ultimate.
Speaker 1: That is ultimately what it What it ended up being about,
Speaker 1: is that he didn't want He wanted me to be
Speaker 1: kind of exclusive to boy, didn't want me to do
Speaker 1: home improvements, so I ended up not doing it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: and then also to peanca Is, back to peana Is
Speaker 1: in this episode she is finally okay. So this is
Speaker 1: a very This was a very weird experience for me
Speaker 1: because this is the first episode I literally do not
Speaker 1: remember at I saw the title and I was like
Speaker 1: Santa's Little Helper. I was like, al moust be a
Speaker 1: Christmas episode. No recollection of this, which is astounding considering
Speaker 1: how big of a part is about. I know, why
Speaker 1: don't I remember this? I thought, I honestly thought that
Speaker 1: Sean being poor, Sean being you know, a sort of
Speaker 1: like you know, coming from a family that doesn't have
Speaker 1: money and and isn't always together was something that developed
Speaker 1: way later. But here it is in the first season,
Speaker 1: the episode the whole characters there, they've written, I did
Speaker 1: not remember this. I didn't remember this at all. It's
Speaker 1: so you know, what I did not remember is that, um,
Speaker 1: this is the first time we established that you and
Speaker 1: Corey are friends for like years, kind of the same way,
Speaker 1: kind of the same way. There was revisionist history about
Speaker 1: how Corey into Penga met. There seems to be a
Speaker 1: little hint of revision revision history between Sewan and Corey
Speaker 1: where he says, you know, well, this year we're best friends,
Speaker 1: and you're like, but what about last year? And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys have this longgoing best friendship for years, the
Speaker 1: one you don't remember. Because I was watching this going like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is it. This is like the this is the
Speaker 1: genesis of Corey Sewnis would be like this huge oman
Speaker 1: as an actor or as a character, and no recollection.
Speaker 1: I remember Corey's alternative friends more vividly. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess for whatever reason, I and I think this might
Speaker 1: happen as we as we go on, you know, I
Speaker 1: think when boy beats world was new in our lives,
Speaker 1: or new in my life. I'll speak for myself. It
Speaker 1: was like my brain was sort of absorbed in every
Speaker 1: experience and every script so much more intently um and
Speaker 1: and by this time it's sort of became wrote or
Speaker 1: just became part of the job. I honestly, the next
Speaker 1: episode that I really remember as the Fugitive where I
Speaker 1: blew up blow up the mailbox, and I think that
Speaker 1: was because that was also the episode that the earthquake happens,
Speaker 1: so I remember. But I also be at that point
Speaker 1: was friends with Jeff Sherman, who wrote the Fugitive episode,
Speaker 1: and it was like his first big episode, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a big Sean episode obviously, but
Speaker 1: I completely forgot that we had already established the Sean
Speaker 1: I mean not. I guess this episode doesn't really establish
Speaker 1: he's a troublemaker, but it certainly establishes his home life
Speaker 1: and that he's less privileged and no recollection of this,
Speaker 1: and even watching it, I was like, yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't remember doing it's crazy to make I think
Speaker 1: this episode is far more important than even you know,
Speaker 1: And when we get to the scene, I'll tell you why,
Speaker 1: because I was privy to something that happened behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that might have changed kind of the direction of
Speaker 1: boy Me tworld in a way. And we'll get we will,
Speaker 1: we will absolutely get to I can't wait, because I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I this will not surprise anybody. But I
Speaker 1: also had zero recollection of this episode. I don't I
Speaker 1: didn't remember one aspect of it. But I have a
Speaker 1: significantly smaller part um, so that shouldn't be too shocking.
Speaker 1: But I also was like, I don't, I don't remember
Speaker 1: anything about this, not even I remember this entire episode.
Speaker 1: I remember for a number of different reasons. But I
Speaker 1: remember this whole episode. I wonder if it was partly,
Speaker 1: you know, partly because it was I don't know, but
Speaker 1: maybe it just went smoothly, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like we end up remembering that episodes where people were fired,
Speaker 1: where things were rewritten last minute, and maybe this was
Speaker 1: an episode that just from start to finish, was not
Speaker 1: as tumultuous behind the scenes or something. We're finding rhythm,
Speaker 1: he said, sort of comfortable. We were all sort of
Speaker 1: in our roles, we knew our parts, and it just
Speaker 1: went And therefore I don't remember it, but it was
Speaker 1: it was shocking to me to realize that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is about Sean and yeah, yeah. The episode starts
Speaker 1: in Mr Finie's classroom. Mr Finie is reading the class
Speaker 1: a Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, and the camera is
Speaker 1: doing this nice little you know, push in on Bill
Speaker 1: and you get to see Benn. Yes, clearly a moment
Speaker 1: where he is trying to make me laugh. All Ben
Speaker 1: and I would do and seems like this where they
Speaker 1: would be like, you guys are supposed to be talking
Speaker 1: to each other. He would be saying ridiculous things or
Speaker 1: mouthing ridiculous things, or doing inside jokes to that. Like ever,
Speaker 1: whatever Ben and I are in the background of anything,
Speaker 1: or before we're about to enter a scene, we would
Speaker 1: be trying to make each other laugh. And this I
Speaker 1: watched that. I was like, oh, yeah, that also is
Speaker 1: the best representation of what my memory of twelve year
Speaker 1: old Ben was like. Twelve year old Ben was absolutely
Speaker 1: just full of energy and in your face and and
Speaker 1: just like always moving. And I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's that's been, that's been ready exactly. Um So I
Speaker 1: see my crim tear front and Center. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm in this episode. Uh. Corey and Sean
Speaker 1: asked where the grinches in the book and why is
Speaker 1: there no one named Carol. Phene asks to Panga to
Speaker 1: trade places with Corey and she tries to like telepathically
Speaker 1: trade places with him. Any joke, funny joke? I thought
Speaker 1: it was very funny. She says, okay, I'm a hyperactive,
Speaker 1: unto achieving eleven year old boy. And he says no,
Speaker 1: he means physically trade places like seats, and she says, oh,
Speaker 1: that takes much less of a psychic toll. Very like
Speaker 1: advanced joke for twelve year olds, you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't know how many people were really under that. That
Speaker 1: feels like a joke for the adults to grab onto.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that any kid caught onto that joke,
Speaker 1: but it's very funny. So Phoeny asks Corey what Charles
Speaker 1: Dickens was trying to express in his book, and Corey
Speaker 1: says that if you're a real butt head, then neat
Speaker 1: ghosts will take you to cool places. Uh. And Phoeny
Speaker 1: does not approve um and the pencil falling off of
Speaker 1: the desk, no no. Oh yeah, when when Phoenie gets
Speaker 1: up and moves around the desk, a pencil like very
Speaker 1: loudly falls off of his desk, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: they just left that in, but you know, it was
Speaker 1: the live show, so stuff like that happened. And I
Speaker 1: went back and watch it again. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something there's a pencil that falls off Pheny's desk when
Speaker 1: he gets up and BOMs around. I was like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that, but I did notice that Dusty
Speaker 1: is very prominently feature Dusty. Where are we? Where are you? Dusty? Are?
Speaker 1: Is Dusty in the wind? And we just need to
Speaker 1: find you? Dusty, Dusty, We want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Where are you? If anybody knows Dusty, please send him.
Speaker 1: Send him Pod meets World Show at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Please get in touch with us. We'd love to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Are Dusty. Don't just start sending us a
Speaker 1: bunch of people named Dusty. We're trying to find a
Speaker 1: specific Dusty, very specific Dusty corrects. Yeah. So then we
Speaker 1: get into the opening credits and we land in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1: Corey and Sean are at lunch and Seawan's mom has
Speaker 1: packed him a PEB and J and Corey is eating
Speaker 1: fish sticks. Now, I'd like to talk about your clothes again.
Speaker 1: Writer's a good closed episode shirt. It looks very much
Speaker 1: like a bed sheet. It's so large, so large, and
Speaker 1: has no structure at all. Um, yeah, I'm not so.
Speaker 1: I watched this episode with India and actually my wife
Speaker 1: might and uh, they could not get over how tall
Speaker 1: I was, how much bigger I am, And so I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if a part of the giant clothing not only
Speaker 1: was it nineties style, I think it was also trying
Speaker 1: to make me look smaller, like I'm sort of you know,
Speaker 1: it's a way to make me look younger, because I
Speaker 1: think if I had been wearing fitted clothes, I would
Speaker 1: have looked right, but as instead, I sort of end
Speaker 1: up looking like a kid drowning and hand me down
Speaker 1: clothes or something. And I think that that's a better
Speaker 1: look because I really am towering, especially to the episode
Speaker 1: to Go, where it was like you go and you
Speaker 1: confront him in another episode, you were like a foot
Speaker 1: taller than then at this point. But it's very smart
Speaker 1: if you notice in in a later scene when when
Speaker 1: Lee is An and I are confront they had me
Speaker 1: sit sitting down and Lee standing because you couldn't have
Speaker 1: me standing face to face with Leave at the end.
Speaker 1: But they have you staggered. Yep, you're not. You're not.
Speaker 1: They have you staggered. So there's that kind of forced
Speaker 1: perspective because I think the clothing thing was it was
Speaker 1: in part to try and make me seem small. That
Speaker 1: makes so tall. That does make sense because yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: if you were in fitted clothes, you would have looked
Speaker 1: significantly older. And like, what's he doing in school? A
Speaker 1: lot of hair, A lot of hair, hands through the
Speaker 1: hair in this episode two, God, a lot of hands
Speaker 1: through the hair in this episode two. I didn't notice
Speaker 1: it at So Mincas into Panga a nerd swarm, which
Speaker 1: I thought is a very off your geek magnet. I
Speaker 1: thought it was very funny. Oh no, it's a nerd swarm. Um.
Speaker 1: So Corey and I mean Mincas and to Panca come
Speaker 1: over and they talk about Christmas and that they say
Speaker 1: that it's not all about gifts. Uh. Corey focuses on
Speaker 1: wool to Pankas as people often lose sight of the
Speaker 1: meaning of Chris miss and in the midst of the
Speaker 1: frenzy of commercialism and basically, then you guys push us
Speaker 1: off to the side, you send us away, and Corey
Speaker 1: then tell Sean he thinks he got a real leather
Speaker 1: NBA regulation basketball and he wants to get a nylon
Speaker 1: net with the five dollars he's been saving for a month.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have to ask where has he been
Speaker 1: playing basketball to where he has no ball and no net?
Speaker 1: I guess it's cooled so the school doesn't provide balls
Speaker 1: or nets. They just give you the hoop and hope
Speaker 1: you can you can figure out the rest. He was
Speaker 1: played probably right, but at home? I mean again if
Speaker 1: he plays, because again, what do you need a net for?
Speaker 1: Do they have a no, like they have no at
Speaker 1: their house? Well? Does their house have a garage in
Speaker 1: the backyard in the side. Well, again, he obviously has
Speaker 1: a hoop, so there's the hoop with no Net's all
Speaker 1: going through my head is it's like, why does he
Speaker 1: just need the ball? It's like going, you know what
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get for Christmas my left sneaker
Speaker 1: where it's like, what, wait, You've got some of the
Speaker 1: stuff you need, but not also again getting a new ball.
Speaker 1: Totally understand. It's like I need a new net. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get that, but like, hey, man, I really need
Speaker 1: a ball in a net. I found that very It's
Speaker 1: like I need one pin and I can bowl. Well.
Speaker 1: They later come in, Korey and Sean come in from
Speaker 1: playing and and he says, you're the only guy in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood with a net. So I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you give it to him. So I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe there's like a neighborhood spot to play. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and you put the net up if you have it,
Speaker 1: and then you take the net down because I know
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. So people sometimes I think, here's
Speaker 1: what's really happening. The nineties was an explosion in basketball.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember this? It was basically Chicago Bulls,
Speaker 1: And yet I believe for our writing staff that was
Speaker 1: like basketball made no sense. Like I think our writing
Speaker 1: staff with baseball people, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like they were in football, football, maybe, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they understood basketball. And I think that there was
Speaker 1: this weird like need to sort of right to the
Speaker 1: kids of today without understanding the game or like how
Speaker 1: it's like. So I think what we're seeing is a
Speaker 1: bunch of older writers trying to connect with the NIS generation.
Speaker 1: That is I found I found it on just it's
Speaker 1: like you have a hoop but no, Net, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was weird. So this scene has the introduction of
Speaker 1: the do you guys remember that? And I would look
Speaker 1: at each other and go, I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is the first time we did it. I think it is.
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't know if we recorded and
Speaker 1: filmed it out of order or whatever. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: second I saw that that I did remember. I didn't
Speaker 1: remember anything else about this episode, but I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ben and I did that, So let's keep track of
Speaker 1: the haws over the first scenes. This is also the
Speaker 1: second synchronized thing you guys already did in this episode,
Speaker 1: because in the first scene you both dow the thumbs
Speaker 1: down you go yeah. So so it's like they're trying
Speaker 1: and now, I mean they really went from like we
Speaker 1: need three friends, we need three friends, to all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, no, it's Korey and Sean and they've been
Speaker 1: like this forever. Let's everything we did. Yes, they're now
Speaker 1: doing everything. It's such a cool thing to do though,
Speaker 1: like it it's it's such a great writing television trope.
Speaker 1: Right to have two characters who automatically do the same
Speaker 1: thing at the same time. It really bonds them together
Speaker 1: and it makes very good dynamic. But this is where
Speaker 1: I witnessed something that I think changed the course of
Speaker 1: the Sean character in my opinion. So you're shooting the
Speaker 1: scene and I, at this time, you know, started to
Speaker 1: hang around the writers and producers around the monitor watching
Speaker 1: the show being shot. So for and you're on a
Speaker 1: stage and there's like, you know, down from you they're
Speaker 1: shooting the scene. And then there's this little enclave where
Speaker 1: there's Televiso, video Villagers television set up, and the writers
Speaker 1: and producers have their chairs set up there and they're
Speaker 1: watching like you can watch one screen that has just
Speaker 1: how you'd see it on TV, and then there's all
Speaker 1: these broken up other screens where it's like every angle
Speaker 1: from the from every camera there where you can see
Speaker 1: what the what each camera is shooting is shooting. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I wasn't interacting with them, but
Speaker 1: I was hanging around Video Village and I was standing
Speaker 1: maybe three ft behind Michael Jacobs, and they're all sitting
Speaker 1: there watching and they get to the part of the
Speaker 1: scene where Sean is talking about everything he's going to
Speaker 1: get for Christmas, and so Corey says, I'm getting this
Speaker 1: awesome basketball blah blah blah blah blah, and Sean then says,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm man, it's like the I'm getting so
Speaker 1: much stuff from check And you made this look, and
Speaker 1: Michael Jacobs turned to I don't know who it was,
Speaker 1: I forget who it was, turned to somebody and went,
Speaker 1: my god, he is so good because you sold right
Speaker 1: there in that moment that obviously you were lying, obviously
Speaker 1: you were covering something up, but you did it in
Speaker 1: such a way where Corey didn't pick it up. But
Speaker 1: I'll never I would never forget it for as long
Speaker 1: as I live. Michael turned to whoever was on his
Speaker 1: right and went, my god, he is so good. And
Speaker 1: everyone started taking notes and writing and writing, and at
Speaker 1: that moment, I think they knew the Fugitive was gonna
Speaker 1: come like Shawn's gonna become a much bigger thing. And
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there as an actor going, God, I'm
Speaker 1: so jealous. I was so jealous, because that's what actors do.
Speaker 1: They make it about themselves, especially when you're seventeen. I
Speaker 1: was like, I know they weren't sitting there watching me, going, man,
Speaker 1: he's so good. I buy he wanted to go to
Speaker 1: that concert. You know what's funny about that moment, like
Speaker 1: hearing you say that, is it wasn't a joke. It
Speaker 1: was a drama moment, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably where what they started to
Speaker 1: realize is that I'm much better at that. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was pretty into. I
Speaker 1: thought it was great. It was great. I'll never forget
Speaker 1: that moment. I'll never forget that. That's funny. No, I
Speaker 1: think that that's what they picked up on, is that, like, clearly,
Speaker 1: as an actor, I gravitated towards those kinds of beats
Speaker 1: you know, like the jokey, jokey stuff I did, I think,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't as committed. I clearly committed to this
Speaker 1: to like, oh there's a lot more going on. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's brooding, Seawan is beginning right like, So, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that moment. It was so it's ingrained in
Speaker 1: my mind that that moment forever. Yea, I remember thinking
Speaker 1: they're like God, damn it, he's good. Yeah, yeah, hell
Speaker 1: he was. But will also you saying no one was
Speaker 1: sitting back there saying like, man, he not even still.
Speaker 1: I bet I bet they were when you even though
Speaker 1: that you had to stick around late to throw that
Speaker 1: bag or whatever, and you did that grunting sound. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you. Michael was back there and saying, what what
Speaker 1: a find. Maybe I'll give myself that one, but it was,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. I'll never forget seeing that where
Speaker 1: Michael was just you can tell they were enthralled by
Speaker 1: you at that point. And I think that was the
Speaker 1: moment where they were like, we don't ever need anybody out, Like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing. We've got the guy, Let's go,
Speaker 1: Let's write more to this. There are perfect foils for
Speaker 1: each other. Let's figure this out, right, which means writing
Speaker 1: more to drama, right, okay. And that ends up in
Speaker 1: the course of the show, is that Sean is there
Speaker 1: for this sort of pull your heart strings, feel sorry
Speaker 1: pity moments that continued for seven seasons, right, like I
Speaker 1: was always messed up and always in trouble and always sad.
Speaker 1: You were the hard luck kid, and and that set
Speaker 1: up the vibe for your character for the rest of
Speaker 1: the series. And you did. You did do it very well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Sean says his dad really came through this year.
Speaker 1: He's got like a truckload of gifts in Incaz comes
Speaker 1: up and asks Shan for five dollars for Phoene's class gift,
Speaker 1: and he says, he just spent his last five dollars
Speaker 1: on lunch and we'll give it to him tomorrow. And
Speaker 1: Mincas then picks up the paper bag and says, what
Speaker 1: did his chart mom charge him a packing fee? And
Speaker 1: I did think that maybe I felt like Mincus was
Speaker 1: really hard on Shan. Yes, I agree this whole episode
Speaker 1: he was a jerk. Yeah, I didn't. It was the
Speaker 1: first time I ever remember feeling like Mincus was like wrong,
Speaker 1: like really like whoa dude? But I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: Mincas probably didn't have financial worries and so he probably
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking that anyone else had financial worries. And we
Speaker 1: know from previous episodes that mincas is number one concern
Speaker 1: is Phoene. That's who he protects, So I don't think
Speaker 1: he was thinking about protecting Sean and what his potential
Speaker 1: financial situation is. And he very clearly. Later on in
Speaker 1: the episode, A d percent buys the story that Corey
Speaker 1: sells him about loaning, So I just don't think he
Speaker 1: was thinking about it, of course, like how can you beefs?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they were just playing on Mincas
Speaker 1: as a you know, sort of officious uh, you know,
Speaker 1: kiss up, And I think it's kind of cute in
Speaker 1: that way, but it's also ridiculous that he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: sensitive to what is happening, unless I think this is
Speaker 1: how I think this is how they would justify it
Speaker 1: is what they is they're saying. Mincus is really smart
Speaker 1: and not at all wise, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he he knows all the facts, but when it comes
Speaker 1: to just normal everyday kind of like relationships, he doesn't
Speaker 1: really understand what's going on. That's kind of how I
Speaker 1: thought they would justify. Now, whether that was the case
Speaker 1: or not, who knows, but that's how I what I
Speaker 1: saw it as. It's like he, you know, give them
Speaker 1: numbers or facts, he's fine, give them relationships between people,
Speaker 1: and he's woefully ignorant. Yeah, I wonder now too. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody, when giving a gift would individually name
Speaker 1: students whose or would not able to know that would
Speaker 1: never happen. I'm going to write eighteen names down, but
Speaker 1: not yours, like telling you about it. I know, it
Speaker 1: really broke my heart. Honestly, it was really pheny would
Speaker 1: wrote it outside like, oh, I noticed you didn't sign this,
Speaker 1: Mr Hunter, like what it would never happen. But it
Speaker 1: is a good it is it is. We had to
Speaker 1: raise the stakes. They had to gat there had to
Speaker 1: be steaks that were raised for for sewn in the
Speaker 1: situation and for him to feel pressure with this. So
Speaker 1: they set it up. But boy, my heartbroke. Okay. So
Speaker 1: then we are in the Matthews living room. Alan is
Speaker 1: putting up Christmas lights. It's not going very well, so
Speaker 1: stereotypical every stereotypical sitcom. Here the lights that aren't working.
Speaker 1: And this night goes on and went chasing Christmas vacation everything,
Speaker 1: a Christmas stortory and everything. Why did it lights not working?
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Electricity, It's like yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I saw that. I was like a man, they're
Speaker 1: doing the light thing. I know I thought it too,
Speaker 1: but they still do that. Yes, of course, of course
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, it's still everywhere, but it's it's
Speaker 1: still cute. I like, I like Christmas tropes. It doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me. I saw it and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're doing the light thing. But I was like, it
Speaker 1: really sets it up. I don't know, there's something about
Speaker 1: Christmas lights. And I think also back then, I mean
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh gosh, it's time to decorate
Speaker 1: for Christmas, and it's so romanticized in your mind, and
Speaker 1: then when you're actually doing it, every you know, your
Speaker 1: dad's over there yelling about the sideways tree, and you
Speaker 1: know it ends up being kind of like a gosh
Speaker 1: down and we're going to do this because it's Christmas
Speaker 1: and we love each other. But exactly so very quickly,
Speaker 1: my dad one year, he always wanted to buy the
Speaker 1: biggest tree he could find, and one year didn't fit
Speaker 1: into the house, so he caught off the top. So
Speaker 1: it was just a cylinder from from Florida ceiling sailor.
Speaker 1: We all walked in like what the hell did you do?
Speaker 1: When he's like, I cut the wrong end of We
Speaker 1: used to We used to not have Christmas. What we
Speaker 1: what we would do is we would go take redwood
Speaker 1: tree branches, so like rather, I guess my dad was
Speaker 1: so cheap he didn't want to have to buy Christmas trees.
Speaker 1: We were surrounded in northern California. It's you have done
Speaker 1: every every everywhere was Christmas tree farms. People would leave
Speaker 1: San Francisco to come to our town to buy Christmas trees,
Speaker 1: like it's known for Christmas tree land. But we would
Speaker 1: never buy a Christmas tree. We would build our own
Speaker 1: Christmas tree by chopping down because redwood tree branches would
Speaker 1: be like. So we had and we have this huge
Speaker 1: kitchen area in the front of our house. My dad
Speaker 1: built the house I grew up in. It has this
Speaker 1: huge dining room area with like a thirty foot ceiling.
Speaker 1: So we would get like twenty ft redwood branches, take
Speaker 1: wires and wrap them together. These like in retrospects, the
Speaker 1: big thing was that how tall they were. But in
Speaker 1: retrospect must have been so ugly. These like wire wrapped
Speaker 1: giant square redwood. You please provide us a picture of these.
Speaker 1: They were huge. I mean every time people would come
Speaker 1: to our house and be like, what is going on
Speaker 1: because they would just be tall these And then we
Speaker 1: had a platform with a train. My dad had a
Speaker 1: train from I think it was from his child was
Speaker 1: like not like now you can get like nice cute
Speaker 1: h and O trans This was like I forget the gauge.
Speaker 1: Like they're in the train community. There's a whole Like
Speaker 1: these were like giant metal trains, Like they each each
Speaker 1: car was like a foot long smoke and like we
Speaker 1: would always start fires or shock ourselves trying to set
Speaker 1: this thing up. Oh my god. I mean, by the way, listener,
Speaker 1: when when writer tells you his dad built the house
Speaker 1: he grew up in, you mean he actually built it
Speaker 1: with his own two hands. It's a log cabin, right, No,
Speaker 1: I mean not a cabin. It's not. No, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's actually it's a full house. It's he
Speaker 1: just taught himself how to do it at the age
Speaker 1: of like third. That's always yeah, that's always the way
Speaker 1: your dad was. He'd like roll up in a car
Speaker 1: and be like, oh where'd you get that? Be like
Speaker 1: made it? Like can't built it? Like okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. I finally asked him, like years later,
Speaker 1: I was like, how did you learn to do all
Speaker 1: the stuffs? Like I read a book, so I could
Speaker 1: just read books and figure you know, it's time. That's
Speaker 1: kind of like a YouTube people do that, but back
Speaker 1: in his generation, it was like, you know, he he
Speaker 1: was kind of exceptional in the sense that he would
Speaker 1: just teach himself how to do crap and figure it out.
Speaker 1: Man's unbelievable. Still can't hang that shelf I have leaning
Speaker 1: up against my wall. I'll send my wife to go
Speaker 1: do that for you. Okay, great, thank you. So um so,
Speaker 1: Amy and Morgan come back from the mall. Morgan is
Speaker 1: in a killer Philadelphia Eagles starter jacket. It looks really cool.
Speaker 1: It doesn't noticed it? Yeah, man, it was cool. I
Speaker 1: was like, what where did they get that? I want it? Now? Um?
Speaker 1: When Alan mentioned Santa, Morgan runs away screaming and so
Speaker 1: and behind her, Betsy is doing the x X you
Speaker 1: know with the hand motion do not do not mention. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then she tells the story about how when Morgan
Speaker 1: climbed up on Santa's lap, she told him that she
Speaker 1: wanted a Susie Homemaker oven for Christmas, and then he
Speaker 1: grabbed his chest, yelled Rudolph, and fell over. Now Morgan
Speaker 1: thinks that she killed Santa Claus, but a hit man
Speaker 1: looking elf gave him CPR and he survived. I loved
Speaker 1: the setup for the hit man. I was like, why
Speaker 1: did they? Just was like, because he's gonna show up
Speaker 1: and he's gonna look like a hit man. Uh. This
Speaker 1: storyline killed for Indie. He just thought this was the
Speaker 1: funniest thing. I mean, once again, like the Morgan storylines
Speaker 1: work so well for kids, and this one just like that.
Speaker 1: He could not stop laughing. Like the second she ran
Speaker 1: away screaming, he was like what what? And then when
Speaker 1: he heard about Santa killing over, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: he just could not stop laughing. He thought it was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing ever. Were holding it too much shirts
Speaker 1: this episode? Oh yeah, too much? Okay? Okay, also show
Speaker 1: you a little bit about how the producers knew so
Speaker 1: much more about what they were doing. And then we oh, like,
Speaker 1: it's like why what the parents thing? They didn't need
Speaker 1: that the little kid? Why did they? And then you
Speaker 1: watch it with people and you're like, oh god, they
Speaker 1: knew exactly what they're doing. They knew exactly what they
Speaker 1: were doing. I mean, that's that's you know, nuts to
Speaker 1: think about that, because we wouldn't care again we're not
Speaker 1: looking at the Morgan storyline, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're watching it with somebody who's like, that's all
Speaker 1: they loved. It's a genuinely funny storyline. It is. It's great, great,
Speaker 1: it's great. So then Will comes down the stairs in
Speaker 1: a glorious red and green clandy cane Christmas sweater. I'm sorry, canevest.
Speaker 1: It is just glorious, and he announces himself by calling
Speaker 1: Morgan the weasel. Yep, I think this might be the
Speaker 1: last time. It doesn't happen much anymore. But yes, I was.
Speaker 1: Also I'm hoping it was so this is when my
Speaker 1: weight started a little bit, but because I could see
Speaker 1: it a little in my face. But this this sweater
Speaker 1: vest did not help. I was oddly shaped through most
Speaker 1: of this episode. But again I don't think it was me.
Speaker 1: I think it was just the shape of the clothes.
Speaker 1: Very It was very strange the clothes that they had us.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think you had we had no
Speaker 1: input on our clothing, right? I mean I didn't at all,
Speaker 1: and you probably should have. Part of being an actor
Speaker 1: is like understanding that, like your clothes are at the
Speaker 1: end of But we didn't that's like part of being
Speaker 1: a kid is just like what am I wearing? And
Speaker 1: it works in this case because it helps create this
Speaker 1: like cozy Christmas atmosphere that like doesn't make any sense. Actually,
Speaker 1: why is Eric wearing this ugly Christmas Chris? It's very strange.
Speaker 1: You don't know how close we are to Christmas. That's
Speaker 1: the other thing. And I'd also like to point out,
Speaker 1: and again you know that I've talked about this several times,
Speaker 1: and I watched it with Sue this time, who she
Speaker 1: pointed out to Alan does not look even at Eric's
Speaker 1: in Eric's direction the entire episode it like he doesn't
Speaker 1: know his oldest son. And then Corey comes in and
Speaker 1: he's like, there he is apple of my eye. And
Speaker 1: she was like, oh my god. They're an alternative reading
Speaker 1: a boy beats World where Eric doesn't actually exist. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. He's just like a figment of someone's imaginations.
Speaker 1: Corey's all, it's so straight. It's now bordering on weird
Speaker 1: to me, where it's like, dude, you've got another kid.
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre. But yes, um, so Eric comes down.
Speaker 1: He says the weasel has been singing that she murdered
Speaker 1: Santa Claus and uh um. Corey comes home to check
Speaker 1: all the gifts under the tree. He talks more about
Speaker 1: which gifts are going to be wool, that wool is
Speaker 1: super itchy um. And this was a little unclear to me,
Speaker 1: but I think what I gathered is that he checks
Speaker 1: the packages under the tree that we're just put there
Speaker 1: from Amy. Amy came in with a bag and he
Speaker 1: checks them and sees that there are three gifts and
Speaker 1: those three gifts are not all for Corey. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: one for Eric, one for Morgan, and one for Corey.
Speaker 1: And Corey picks it up and says, okay, three three
Speaker 1: new packages and only one of them is wool. And
Speaker 1: then he says he's going to run and go tell Sean.
Speaker 1: And it was a little confusing to me because Rusty says,
Speaker 1: you know, wait, where are you going. Who are you
Speaker 1: going to call? And he says, I'm gonna go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go call Sean. And Alan says, I don't think
Speaker 1: you should go call and exaggerate about your gifts. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what why is he saying he's
Speaker 1: going to exaggerate about his gifts? But I think what
Speaker 1: we were supposed to get was that Corey is going
Speaker 1: to exaggerate and say that there were three new presents
Speaker 1: under the tree just for him. Doesn't he say that?
Speaker 1: Doesn't he then say, I'm not going to tell him
Speaker 1: I got one gift. I gotta tell him I got
Speaker 1: four or something. Actually, Okay, Yeah, they mentioned the word exaggerate.
Speaker 1: Is in these between the two of them mentioned like
Speaker 1: three or four times. He says he shouldn't exaggerate to Sean,
Speaker 1: and then he says, well, of course I have to
Speaker 1: exaggerate because Sean's got a whole truckload of things there.
Speaker 1: And then he says, well, I think Sean may have
Speaker 1: been exaggerating about his gifts. And we learned through Alan
Speaker 1: that Sean's dad has been laid off from his job.
Speaker 1: And even though Corey um knows Sean very well, Sean
Speaker 1: has not shared that with him, So Corey was not
Speaker 1: aware of that. And he also says, but that's that cow?
Speaker 1: Can that be? Sean says he's getting a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of gifts, So Corey asks if it would be okay
Speaker 1: for him to give Sean one of his gifts or
Speaker 1: not actually one of his gifts. If he could give
Speaker 1: Sean a gift from under their tree, and Alan says
Speaker 1: that that would be totally fine. He runs to the
Speaker 1: tree and he decides, I'm going to try to give
Speaker 1: him one of Eric's gifts. Very funny. Alan says, who's Eric.
Speaker 1: That's how we know you do exist? Because he doesn't
Speaker 1: say that, so he gives him a look, So you exist?
Speaker 1: You exist? Um. Then very cute scene we Morgan is
Speaker 1: locked herself in the bathroom. It's in Corey and Eric's bedroom.
Speaker 1: Morgan is singing Christmas songs at the top of her lungs.
Speaker 1: She's clearly traumatized. She will not come out because she
Speaker 1: thinks that she killed Santa. And Eric says that Santa
Speaker 1: just called him, and he tells Morgan that Santa said
Speaker 1: Ho ho ho, and then he pretends that Santa had
Speaker 1: a heart attack. Will You were so funny in this,
Speaker 1: So I was very happy. This was This is the
Speaker 1: other thing I remember, this was the biggest laugh I'd
Speaker 1: ever gotten at a table read to that point. Was
Speaker 1: that ho ho was the biggest laugh I'd gotten at
Speaker 1: that point, and it felt so good. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a big, loud joke. And it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was a fun one. Do you also
Speaker 1: notice calling myself out? I mouthed the words along with Betsy,
Speaker 1: No do I do? It's it's on the cameras on Betsy.
Speaker 1: But I am clearly saying her dialogue like like it's
Speaker 1: not even like kind of doing it, like I am
Speaker 1: clearly mouthing along with Betsy. Yeah, I even rewound it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yep, I'm oh man, I'm full on saying
Speaker 1: her lines. Yeah, so absolutely with Betsy. Yep. I did
Speaker 1: not notice it. But you, I love the I love
Speaker 1: you too in the scene, the way she laughs at
Speaker 1: you doing that, even though you know clearly she's worried
Speaker 1: that Morgan is traumatized, but she laughs along at how
Speaker 1: funny you are and what you're doing. Um, you two
Speaker 1: together in the scene are such a joy to watch,
Speaker 1: Like it's very cute, very fun. Eric eventually says that
Speaker 1: Santa said Morgan had been such a good girl this
Speaker 1: year and that he should give Morgan a gift, and
Speaker 1: she's like, what is it? And he says, how about
Speaker 1: this new flannel shirt that you love? And she opens
Speaker 1: the bathroom door, grabs it from you, and then has
Speaker 1: to slam the door. Three times she's trying to fit
Speaker 1: the shirt into the bathroom. Funny joke that nineties flannel. Man,
Speaker 1: Oh man, I miss a good flannel over an open
Speaker 1: flannel over a T shirt. Man, it's still one of
Speaker 1: my favorite looks. Still do it? Yeah, it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: Then we're in the Matthew's backyard. Corey hands Shawn a
Speaker 1: gift and it is his leather NBA regulation basketball. Sean
Speaker 1: asks why Corey is giving him this gift because they
Speaker 1: never never give each other Christmas presents, and Corey says
Speaker 1: that this year is different, and so this is where
Speaker 1: we established for the first time kind of that Corey
Speaker 1: and Sean have been best friends. Yeah, the way back.
Speaker 1: And apparently I've spent many weeks having an origin story
Speaker 1: for Shaun and Corey. I don't remember. I know the
Speaker 1: Topanga origin story ends up being that, like me in
Speaker 1: the Sandbox, we actually recreated it right with young actors,
Speaker 1: But I don't Is that also the moment that Shawn
Speaker 1: and Corey became friends or were we already friends before
Speaker 1: the Sandbox? I'm sure they ever talked about it. I
Speaker 1: never talked about it. I don't think they did. You're
Speaker 1: just always have been best friends. I guess just through
Speaker 1: just the two of you, there was never a third
Speaker 1: person you even attempted to be friends. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: no such thing as the best chair. Um, okay, can
Speaker 1: we talk about because I'm I'm very curious how our
Speaker 1: listeners feel about or what the knowledge base of our
Speaker 1: listeners is. When the basketball in the beginning of this
Speaker 1: scene rolls towards upstage, I had this fear that it
Speaker 1: was going to hit the scrim right in the back,
Speaker 1: and I realized, Oh, maybe people don't know what a
Speaker 1: scrim is or what's happening, because I've had new explained
Speaker 1: this to Indie that all UH sitcoms are shot indoors,
Speaker 1: so if there's an outside scene, it's completely fake that
Speaker 1: it's outside and you can actually see the line where
Speaker 1: So what what The way that these sets are built
Speaker 1: is that there's a giant photograph. They take photographs of
Speaker 1: like woods and trees, blow it up to huge proportions,
Speaker 1: so it's like thirty ft tall and eight ft long
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they hang that and light it from behind,
Speaker 1: so it creates the sense of depth. But actually the
Speaker 1: set ends right there, like basically at the end of
Speaker 1: the fence where feeding the fence that divides the yards
Speaker 1: ends that is the end of the set, and that's
Speaker 1: a giant photograph scrim that's hanging from the ceiling, and
Speaker 1: you can see the line where the ground meets the scrim,
Speaker 1: and I was terrified that the basketball was going to
Speaker 1: hit it, which would have, you know, shaken it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then I just thought we should mention, like,
Speaker 1: those are all fake backgrounds. We we do shoot outside
Speaker 1: I think second season and a couple of couple of
Speaker 1: seasons we ended up going on look Aitian, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, everything's indoors. I just thought we should
Speaker 1: point that out. I also think there's something interesting about
Speaker 1: the fact that it is supposed to be like December
Speaker 1: twenty one in Philadelphia and you can't see anybody's breath,
Speaker 1: that nobody's really that cold. I mean, you've got Phoenie
Speaker 1: kind of covering later the roses, but it's not like
Speaker 1: it's certainly, you know, growing growing up back east, it
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't look like late December on the East coast.
Speaker 1: Um So that was the other thing where I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, man, it doesn't even look like it's cold.
Speaker 1: Nobody's wearing coats, no, or they are, but it's they're
Speaker 1: like vesty coats and it's yeah, it's like, what is
Speaker 1: what is going on? Vest coats? They were fest coats?
Speaker 1: Hashtag fest coats. Uh. So. Corey says that this year
Speaker 1: is different and that he got him the gift because
Speaker 1: he didn't think Sean would be getting many gifts this year.
Speaker 1: Sean tries to cover up again, saying he's getting a
Speaker 1: ton of gifts, but Corey says he knows about Shawn's
Speaker 1: dad getting laid off and best friends don't lie to
Speaker 1: each other. Sean gets upset think that Corey is telling
Speaker 1: everyone about his dad, and they get into an argument
Speaker 1: about the gift. Sean doesn't want the stinking basketball A
Speaker 1: drama writer. You are, no, I mean you really do.
Speaker 1: This is That's why I'm amazed you don't remember this
Speaker 1: episode because this is like your episode. I know this
Speaker 1: is the one. I mean you because my wheelhouse. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is just what it's drawn to histrionics and brooding,
Speaker 1: but it worked, it worked great, and this is like
Speaker 1: the Orange, this is your genesis. I mean, man, I know,
Speaker 1: I know it's so funny that no recollection amazing. So
Speaker 1: Sean walks off and Corey says, Christmas is about charity.
Speaker 1: You should be thanking me. Phoene is back there in
Speaker 1: his backyard or sideyard or whatever you want to come
Speaker 1: every yard, it is covering his flowers with yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you cut your roses and then you cover them back
Speaker 1: east and then all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was explained, I was, I don't understand this thing. I'm
Speaker 1: a California guy. Exactly. Back see there's things called weather
Speaker 1: and sea not on television, not apparent, yes, exactly. So
Speaker 1: he's covering his roses with potato sacks and Corey and Sean.
Speaker 1: Corey says that Sean was not paying attention to a
Speaker 1: Christmas carol, and Phoene says it was actually Corey who
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention to the book. Because a true gift
Speaker 1: is given with no expectation, and friendship is the real gift.
Speaker 1: And now this is social studies. Thank you. I was
Speaker 1: just about to say, he's this is history. Why, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I was like, what is he teaching now?
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, what huh? Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: real stereotypical no continuity in history class. Today we'll be
Speaker 1: reading Charles Dickens I mean, the should have made him
Speaker 1: an English teacher, because I feel we end up doing
Speaker 1: mostly references to sure. I mean, even Man Frank could
Speaker 1: have been read in an English class, right, like And
Speaker 1: I think it's patently obvious to me now that like
Speaker 1: Michael Jacobs is a is a lover of literature, he's
Speaker 1: a lover of books, and so all the references that are.
Speaker 1: And of course I think writers in general more in
Speaker 1: date towards fiction and storyteller. So I I'm surprised I
Speaker 1: just didn't make Phoene and English. Yeah, why do you
Speaker 1: think they made him a social studies teacher? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it maybe it was just broad enough that
Speaker 1: you could include some books and then also I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter, right,
Speaker 1: It's not like people at home care in general. I
Speaker 1: thought this was a nice weaving of a life lesson
Speaker 1: with this, so I thought so too, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: another another good Phoenie momentum, all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that was great. So, uh, we're in the Matthews living room.
Speaker 1: Morgan finally comes down. She's now wearing a bunch of
Speaker 1: necklaces Eric's flannel. She's got jewelry from mom. She's got
Speaker 1: cool sunglasses on. Morgan tells Alan that the elf from
Speaker 1: the mall called her a demon child after Santa almost died,
Speaker 1: and Amy explains that she never has to worry about
Speaker 1: that mean elf ever again. And the elf who was
Speaker 1: basically in the mafia knocks on the door and gives
Speaker 1: Amy her money back from the picture because they didn't
Speaker 1: end up getting to a cigar. What is going on?
Speaker 1: I guess it's not lit so but you would never
Speaker 1: see that a television. We don't show anybody smoking. But
Speaker 1: back then, the idea that this elf sitting there with
Speaker 1: the smoke. I'm here to return your money. He's like,
Speaker 1: I've I've driven thirty two miles to give you nine
Speaker 1: dollars back, lady. It was like, okay, it boom. At
Speaker 1: least it's not a stereotype. Uh. But then we're back
Speaker 1: in the school cafeteria. Mincus approaches Shawn again asking for
Speaker 1: the five dollars. He's very aggressive about it. Uh, Sean
Speaker 1: and dead beat a deadbeat for five bucks. It was
Speaker 1: so harsh to me, Like, it's so harsh. I can't
Speaker 1: believe that. Yeah, it was really painful for me when
Speaker 1: watching this and him saying like, I'm going to not
Speaker 1: add your name. Your your name is not going to
Speaker 1: be on the card, and then the whole school is
Speaker 1: going to know you're a deadbeat. It was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: it's like a brilliant I know it was. It was
Speaker 1: really hard. I have to say though, this was the
Speaker 1: scene where I actually watching it kind of got a
Speaker 1: little emotional because I was watching myself, you know, in
Speaker 1: a moment with a confrontation, and there's like this pause
Speaker 1: that I took that's like very long and uncomfortable, and
Speaker 1: I looking at myself, I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say, Like I didn't and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, like what do you say? I was suddenly
Speaker 1: very hurt for sure. Oh oh, that's it felt very
Speaker 1: real that that moment, you know, as opposed to like
Speaker 1: throw in the basketball at Cory or whatever, like this
Speaker 1: moment of just Sean absorbing macas anchor or Mikus is
Speaker 1: calling him a deadbeat. I don't know. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of emotional. It's kind of usually emotional,
Speaker 1: but it was also it was just so vicious where
Speaker 1: it's like, not only are am I not going to
Speaker 1: put your name on the card, so everyone, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure everybody knows that you're a deadbeat. Like
Speaker 1: it was harsh to me, it was super marsh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, writer. This was this was a
Speaker 1: kind of the emotional moment when you're really feeling for Sean,
Speaker 1: like just putting yourself in the shoes of a child
Speaker 1: who is in those circumstances. And the pause you took
Speaker 1: it was very meaningful and impactful. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was an emotional moment. Um. And Sean walks away
Speaker 1: and Corey comes up and tells Macus to leave him alone.
Speaker 1: He comes up in his beautiful dinosaur shirt. This is
Speaker 1: just like dinosaurs after the age. Son is already too
Speaker 1: old to like dinosaurs besides Jurassic Park. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he would never wear a T shirt with dinosaurs Ona,
Speaker 1: and he's seven dinosaur aop. It's an all overprint. It's
Speaker 1: just a dinosaur everywhere, big grand You're going to rocket
Speaker 1: Rannosaurus rex rocket absolutely um. And so Corey says that
Speaker 1: Sean doesn't have the money, and uh, Corey covers for Sean.
Speaker 1: He gives him the five dollars because He says he
Speaker 1: borrowed five dollars from Sean last week and then never
Speaker 1: paid him back. But he has the five dollars that
Speaker 1: he owes to Sean now, so instead of just giving
Speaker 1: it to Sean, he's going to give it direct directly
Speaker 1: to Mincus and that it's actually morality of charity. And
Speaker 1: lyone is okay, yeah, of course, Like outright, why couldn't
Speaker 1: he just say I'm going to take care of this
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, because he's trying to you know,
Speaker 1: he's trying to protect Sean's the feelings and he does.
Speaker 1: Sean obviously doesn't want people to know, and you know,
Speaker 1: so he's being He's a good I am okay, hold
Speaker 1: on second, I am really opposed to lying. I am
Speaker 1: a terrible liar. I am awful at lying. All three
Speaker 1: of us we've talked about it a million times. We're like, listen,
Speaker 1: we are we cannot stand it. It's just terrible because
Speaker 1: people assume actors would be great, which is such a
Speaker 1: weird equivalency that I've never understood. Like, I'm horrible at line.
Speaker 1: For the reason I think I'm better at acting than
Speaker 1: Line is because I have to be honest. It's like
Speaker 1: I have to express the emotion. I'm good at lying.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I don't do it. It's honestly
Speaker 1: why I don't do it because I'm really really good
Speaker 1: at it. So that's why I don't do it. I'm scrible.
Speaker 1: I do like all the stereotypical like I'm the guy
Speaker 1: who gets nervous going through security at the airport for
Speaker 1: no reason, like I'm just already guilty, like I've done
Speaker 1: something wrong. Oh yeah, no I can. I can have
Speaker 1: a half a pound of heroin key Stard and get
Speaker 1: right through, not a problem. Did you just verb Keystard
Speaker 1: got a key STARp, Babe? I'm sorry. I watched too
Speaker 1: much Locked Up Abroad and all these other shows about
Speaker 1: people that are hiding hiding drugs on him. Don't do
Speaker 1: drug kid, and so writer, I am a hundred percent
Speaker 1: okay with this. Lie me too, Okay, what I want
Speaker 1: to talk about it, I'm not because I I was
Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. Is kind of funny, But
Speaker 1: I think more ridiculous to me is that that Macus
Speaker 1: doesn't pick up on it. It's like he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be this, but I think, like Will said, the joke
Speaker 1: is that he's he's book smart. He's not street smart, right,
Speaker 1: so Corey, who is more street smart, is able to
Speaker 1: manipulate the situation for the good of the you know,
Speaker 1: the friendship and everything and and chair Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that we'd have to we'd get into a much
Speaker 1: longer discussion, which would be one of our Boy meets
Speaker 1: World onset discussions of what constitutes a lie. Is a
Speaker 1: lie simply just not telling the truth, no matter what
Speaker 1: the background of the story you're telling is, Even if
Speaker 1: it's to save a friend the way he did, is
Speaker 1: that still a lie? Is that? Is that then if
Speaker 1: you're getting semantic into its semantic argument, is that more
Speaker 1: of a fib that a lie? Well, you know it's
Speaker 1: like because that would be the question is what cons
Speaker 1: I don't think what whether or not it fits into
Speaker 1: the definition of a lie is as important as whether
Speaker 1: or not the greater good for the reason of the lie.
Speaker 1: To me is whether or not your lie is justified.
Speaker 1: If it's just to save yourself, like you know, oh,
Speaker 1: I I'm going to get in trouble, so I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be honest about it. That is a different
Speaker 1: situation than if I'm honest in this situation, I may
Speaker 1: be further embarrassing someone, and I'm I would like to
Speaker 1: protect this person from something he's already seen with his
Speaker 1: own two eyes is embarrassing for him. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: an assumption that it's hard for him. He Corey has
Speaker 1: a hundred percent all the evidence he needs to know
Speaker 1: that this situation is very emotional for Sean, and so
Speaker 1: to protect his friend, he is gonna lie to Mancus
Speaker 1: about something that's totally inconsequential. And so I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I really think this is a beautiful act of friendship
Speaker 1: and I think he Corey does exactly the right thing. Right.
Speaker 1: The ethics panel has ruled have a world that's fine,
Speaker 1: and thank you, we allow it exactly. Thank god Phoenie,
Speaker 1: as an art teacher, has taught them all these moralities
Speaker 1: to very important, very important. Okay, can we UM, can
Speaker 1: we try uh something new for our podcast? I have
Speaker 1: something to uh so. In in the course of UH
Speaker 1: one of our recent episodes airing where we uh met
Speaker 1: meat Poenie, UM, I sort of threw out there, like
Speaker 1: how how how were we doing meat loaf? Meat Loaf
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing, you know, It was like turns out
Speaker 1: I Will Do Anything for Love was the number two
Speaker 1: songs on the Billboard charts at the time of that episodes. Eric, So,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys some questions about popular songs,
Speaker 1: popular movies, and popular TV shows the time that this
Speaker 1: episode aired. This episode on December ten, the day before
Speaker 1: I can't wait to fail this December ten. I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep view three songs and you have to tell
Speaker 1: me which one was on was the number one song
Speaker 1: on the Billboard charts on December tenth. I Will Always
Speaker 1: Love You by Whitney Houston again by Janet Jackson, or
Speaker 1: on Ben did Knee by Boys to Man. I'm going
Speaker 1: with Whitney Houston. I will Love You by Whitney Houston
Speaker 1: was from the movie she did with Kevin Costner, which
Speaker 1: The Bodyguard, which was later than ninety three, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I could so be wrong. Well, I know I'm going
Speaker 1: to fail this. I just went with my gut. I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take Boys to Men on Ben Didney,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take on Ben Didee by Boys Men and
Speaker 1: Danielle You're going with Whitney. I'm going with Whitney both completely.
Speaker 1: It was again by Janet Jackson. I Will Always Love
Speaker 1: You was the top song in ninety two that same week,
Speaker 1: and on Ben Didney was the next year at December,
Speaker 1: so it was again by Janet Jackson, and like I said,
Speaker 1: I Will Always I Would Do Anything for Love by
Speaker 1: Meat Love was the number two songs that very week,
Speaker 1: which I was obsessed with that album when it came out.
Speaker 1: So this first season, I was actually listening to me,
Speaker 1: which is so funny that I completely misremember. Okay, movies,
Speaker 1: Todd movies at the box office, number one film at
Speaker 1: the box office that week in was it Wayne's World two?
Speaker 1: Oh geeze, Disclosure or Home Alone Too? Lost in New York. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'll take three movies. I'd never want to watch Alex
Speaker 1: for five really Home Alone Too? And and Wayne's World Too.
Speaker 1: I mean Waynes World two was okay, I guess, but
Speaker 1: I mean a completely weird out of time movie. It's like,
Speaker 1: first it's Michael Douglas and Demi Moore and she sexually
Speaker 1: harassed sex. It was based on Michael crist so like
Speaker 1: we remember that and then it's on tape and it's
Speaker 1: caught on tape. It was like one of those like
Speaker 1: nineties backlash to feminist movies, like kind of nobody wants
Speaker 1: to remember all right, anyway, any ideas gosh, I mean,
Speaker 1: with absolutely no reason at all, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: with Wayne's World two. You know what, I'm going to
Speaker 1: jump on that bad that bandwagon. I'm gonna say Wayne's
Speaker 1: World two and and for no reason at all with Danielle,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say were correct too. Was the number one
Speaker 1: movie Mrs Doubtfire was also in the theaters and was
Speaker 1: the top box office, which started Matthew Lawrence join our show.
Speaker 1: But I know, like I would have thought Wayne's World
Speaker 1: was later, because I remember voting Wayne's World and being
Speaker 1: really into it, But which means I was WAYNS World
Speaker 1: one was to come out like a year or two earlier,
Speaker 1: so I was pretty young to be into Wayne's World.
Speaker 1: It seems like a very teenage thing. I have to say,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the storyline of Wayne's World two at all.
Speaker 1: I never saw it. Now, television ratings are very hard
Speaker 1: to get. Um you can't get weekly ratings, so all
Speaker 1: I have are the season, this entire season of television.
Speaker 1: They have been Home Improvement, So rather than asking you
Speaker 1: about the top shows, which I think would be a
Speaker 1: little easier, I'm gonna ask I'm gonna give you four shows.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you this Boy Meets World was
Speaker 1: in the top forty Nielsen ratings. Okay, we're forty or higher. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to list four shows and you have
Speaker 1: to tell me if they are in the top thirty
Speaker 1: for the top fifty the category of Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: So listener, when he says forty or above, he means
Speaker 1: anywhere from one to forty, and then yeah, so and so.
Speaker 1: Then so basically you have to decide is it above
Speaker 1: or below Boy Meets World? In well More? Yeah, better
Speaker 1: rated or worse rated? Okay? Walker Texas Ranger, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Sir Charles Television, we call him Sir Charles. We were
Speaker 1: obsessed with w never watched it, but we I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, we thought it was a horrible show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so much fun of it. That was like
Speaker 1: a backstage right, So, okay, should I list all four
Speaker 1: and then you guys put them? Okay, go ahead? The
Speaker 1: Simpsons okay, mad about you? Okay, Family matters. Ah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna okay, I would say they were all more popular
Speaker 1: than us. But Walker Texas Ranger, right, I mean better
Speaker 1: than us? Right. Wasn't Walker Texas Ranger a syndicated like
Speaker 1: TB show. It wasn't on the one of the major networks.
Speaker 1: Is the thing that is correct? Yeah, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Walker Texas Ranger was rated worse than we are.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Family Matters, Well, the Simpsons was definitely
Speaker 1: better than us. Family Matters because they were our lead
Speaker 1: in I'm going to say is better than us. And
Speaker 1: I thought Mad About You was like top ten. I
Speaker 1: thought they were like six or seven. So that's my
Speaker 1: the I'll let Daniel answer. That's gonna be my answer.
Speaker 1: Walker Texas Ranger worse, the other three better, that's my answer.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say they were all better than Boy Meets
Speaker 1: World in the ratings. Okay, will you are close? Okay,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, the Simpsons was worse rated than World.
Speaker 1: Oh because it was on Fox. Because it was on Fox.
Speaker 1: It was Fox. Yes, foxhold not really even a network. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course that's my bad. Of course, Mad About You
Speaker 1: and Family Matters were in the top thirty, so they
Speaker 1: were well ahead of us. Not not well. I mean
Speaker 1: like Mad About You was not top ten. It was
Speaker 1: in the top thirty, not top ten. And Walker Texas
Speaker 1: Ranger and the Simpsons were lower rated than us. In fact,
Speaker 1: I believe Walker Texas Ranger was higher rated than the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: That's why, of course, because Fox had was like just
Speaker 1: a fledgling net was like three guys in advance. Yes,
Speaker 1: what was in the top thirty though, m X files.
Speaker 1: I watched that show religiously, that which was a Fox show.
Speaker 1: Evening Shade was doing better than thunder Alley. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. X
Speaker 1: files was not x files was in the bottom it
Speaker 1: was it was. It was less than a tenant a
Speaker 1: half share. I totally because because the reponse, Yeah, thunder
Speaker 1: Alley and Evening Shade were top thirty show. How can
Speaker 1: thunder Alden? Did that go like two seasons and then
Speaker 1: Thunder wasn't what's his name was on Thunder ally Andrew Kegan?
Speaker 1: Andrew Kegan. Yeah, we should also Andrew Kegan on the
Speaker 1: show when we get to remember that. Like at the time,
Speaker 1: networks were about distributing audiences, right, So like if a
Speaker 1: show like you know, Boy Meets World. Even though we
Speaker 1: were top forty, we maintained a certain audience for ABC
Speaker 1: that they didn't want to let go of, so they
Speaker 1: just kept renewing us, as opposed to other shows that
Speaker 1: had higher expectations like maybe Evening Shade with a Burt Reynolds,
Speaker 1: you know, that would get canceled after it was only
Speaker 1: in the top thirty or top forty, because you know,
Speaker 1: they wanted it to be a huge hit show. If
Speaker 1: you've got if you're paying for Burt Reynolds and your
Speaker 1: rank twin eight, that's a fail. That's a fail. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, that's not a good thing. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm so curious how our listeners did at home, So
Speaker 1: please write in. Yeah, let us know how you did.
Speaker 1: Let us know whether you passed or failed or next
Speaker 1: episode I call it writer to where Now you are
Speaker 1: going to be asked the same questions, So don't look
Speaker 1: it up next time. I'll look it up next time,
Speaker 1: and so next time we when we do this, I'll
Speaker 1: have those same questions ready for everybody else. So I
Speaker 1: know I'm going to flail. Yeah, I'm terrible at this.
Speaker 1: I got I only got Wayne's World two I got
Speaker 1: one out of three and we both guessed on that.
Speaker 1: We both totally guest done that. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: take care of so. That was really fun. Writer, thank
Speaker 1: you for bringing up into so in Phoenie's classroom, Mincus
Speaker 1: in yet another festive sweater vest prevents Mr Peenie with
Speaker 1: the sixth grades Christmas gift to him, and it is
Speaker 1: a dictionary and writer, you have a very cool outfit
Speaker 1: on here. You have the long sleeve yellow like you know,
Speaker 1: crew neck sweater or shirt under a purple short eave
Speaker 1: t shirt. And then you have what I believe is
Speaker 1: a purple flannel that had the sleeves cut. It has
Speaker 1: very jagged edges, so the sleeves were cut off of it.
Speaker 1: And then of course, um, I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to have a hood, but it is well, his father
Speaker 1: was his father was laid off, so he couldn't afford
Speaker 1: the sleeves of the hood exactly. He had to he
Speaker 1: had to cut it off in order for him from
Speaker 1: to get it. Um. So, Phoene reads the card and
Speaker 1: you can tell that Sean is uncomfortable. This is a
Speaker 1: moment he's not been looking forward to and constantly looking
Speaker 1: around and you're looking around, you're covering your face. But
Speaker 1: it's absurd that Mincus on that tiny card has written
Speaker 1: names or whatever. It's like, come on, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And Phoeny says that the card has everyone's name from Mincus,
Speaker 1: who was first because he paid first, all the way
Speaker 1: to Hunter at the end, and Sean perks up, like,
Speaker 1: what my name's on the card? Uh? And everybody? Then
Speaker 1: the bell rings and that's it. It's it's Christmas break.
Speaker 1: Everybody runs out and in the hallway. Sean thanks Mancus
Speaker 1: for putting his name on the card, but Manca says,
Speaker 1: we get to the hallway, did anybody else notice the
Speaker 1: boom big microphone right in the shot as everybody everybody's
Speaker 1: running out of the classroom, there's Jesse. See the microphone
Speaker 1: just right there trailing and following everyone, like a big
Speaker 1: old boom right in the shot. I must have been
Speaker 1: writing a note. I looked down. Oh that's funny. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice it. Nice catch, Thank you. So Sean
Speaker 1: thanks Mancus for putting his name on the card. But
Speaker 1: Minca says, the hallway right, I know, yeah, they that's
Speaker 1: like built this little extra set. It's cool. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: built this little thing just for you guys to have
Speaker 1: this moment. Uh And and Minca says, thank your deadbeat
Speaker 1: friend Corey for giving him the five dollars back that
Speaker 1: he owed him. And Sean realizes that Corey has his back,
Speaker 1: and in a very nice moment, he then wishes Mancus
Speaker 1: a Merry Christmas. Very sweet hey Mancas dot dot dot
Speaker 1: Merry Chris, Mary, Chris. Yes so good. Well hearing you
Speaker 1: do it now, one prisoner in the fifties, like fifties
Speaker 1: movie in jail, like cooking to the other prison Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: I guess it was like Merry Christmas, Mink. It was
Speaker 1: so sweet. And then Minka says really, and he wishes
Speaker 1: Sean and merry Christmas too. And then we're in the
Speaker 1: Matthews backyard. Sean walks up to Corey and gives him
Speaker 1: an old basketball net he found in his garage. Sean
Speaker 1: says he figured Corey now has the net and Sean
Speaker 1: has the basketball and kind of alludes to the idea
Speaker 1: that he would accept the gift. Uh, And Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean steal the ball from each other. There at this
Speaker 1: point in my heart is racing because I realized I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna play basketball. I was. I literally said the
Speaker 1: best driveler I know. I looked great. Oh, I really
Speaker 1: don't do it, writer, don't do it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm I did a movie between I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's between first and second season or second and third season.
Speaker 1: I did an ABC movie of the Week called Summertime
Speaker 1: Switch where I had to play basketball, and it was
Speaker 1: the worst experience they had. You know, they had a professional,
Speaker 1: like professional, like a teenager who could be my body
Speaker 1: double to play basketball actually dribble? Yes, who could actually
Speaker 1: dribble the ball. Oh, I didn't know basic rules, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything. And I remember I had to
Speaker 1: play basketball. The whole movie ininges on like the big game.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so embarrassing. And so when I
Speaker 1: saw this, I was like, oh god, I'm gonna start dribbling.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be bad, going through the legs and
Speaker 1: looking at my hand the entire time because I'm terrified,
Speaker 1: and I'm like bending down to be closer to the ground.
Speaker 1: I thought it looked pretty natural, I thought. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. Uh, And so, yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys dribble the ball back and forth. It ends on
Speaker 1: a very plateful, playful note um, and then we are
Speaker 1: back in the Matthews living room. The family is wrapping
Speaker 1: up gifts and Korey and Sean come in playing basketball.
Speaker 1: Amy offers Sean to stay for dinner, but he decides
Speaker 1: to go home to see his dad, um, and Amy
Speaker 1: sends him off with Christmas cookies and as he walks out,
Speaker 1: he says, he has friends, so Christmas is going to
Speaker 1: be okay. And the audience did I think it's first
Speaker 1: on this shows, which I did in the room with
Speaker 1: my family before the all started. I went, and then
Speaker 1: it happened and we're all like, oh, I kind of
Speaker 1: hate those moments, I have to say, like not not that,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate the obligatory, like when an audience
Speaker 1: woos for kisses or clause like I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: Like the laughter is one thing, but those sort of
Speaker 1: like it just it just makes I don't know, it
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable. I mean maybe it's natural, but it
Speaker 1: just it feels forced to me right, like, well, it
Speaker 1: takes away from the moment, like I would rather the
Speaker 1: moment just kind of live and we move on. But
Speaker 1: when an audience lets you know, the home viewer how
Speaker 1: to feel. It's just like it, like, I like that
Speaker 1: because I like that our audience was like interactive with us,
Speaker 1: are liked to me, I know it. It was so strange.
Speaker 1: It was two different things. To me. I never thought
Speaker 1: about the home audience. I always just played to the
Speaker 1: three people that were there. So it was that like
Speaker 1: those people that interactive, like I was looking for that response.
Speaker 1: So when they're invested to like And it got better because,
Speaker 1: especially when we hadn't aired yet, it was forced. You
Speaker 1: could tell when the laughter was like you heard the
Speaker 1: audience when they're faking their laughter, or when they were
Speaker 1: faking the clapping or the like, you knew it. You
Speaker 1: could feel it. So it was this was we had
Speaker 1: started to air, so we were starting to get some fans.
Speaker 1: I mean later in the seasons you could tell when
Speaker 1: they were fully interactive with us. It was great. Um,
Speaker 1: so that I never minded that if it was natural,
Speaker 1: if it was real, then I didn't want it. By
Speaker 1: the fourth take, you could tell people were faking it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly That's what I was going to say, is
Speaker 1: that I think most of the time it happened. It
Speaker 1: happened because enough people in the audience actually had that
Speaker 1: verbal reaction that it's that. Then it made everyone kind
Speaker 1: of say it out loud. And then the feeling you're
Speaker 1: tapping into, I think is take two. Now they've done
Speaker 1: it the first time, so now they feel like it's
Speaker 1: their line, and now that's how they're participating in it.
Speaker 1: And what you're feeding off of is that feeling of like, guys,
Speaker 1: you don't have to give me that. It's okay. But
Speaker 1: I do think that most of the time it happened,
Speaker 1: it happened after the first one was very natural. And
Speaker 1: then the adjecta you're feeling is the repetition of doing it.
Speaker 1: Now we have to do it five more times exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I remember, like remember the episode when
Speaker 1: Corey and when to Panka moves to Pittsburgh and then
Speaker 1: she comes back in the rain and verbally yeah, and
Speaker 1: they were yeah, And it really was like that reaction,
Speaker 1: And I know that that first all was I guarantee
Speaker 1: you the first very touching moment between Corey and Seawan
Speaker 1: that was filmed in front of the live studio audience,
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you it was a natural I know
Speaker 1: we're jumping way ahead, but that episode where you come back.
Speaker 1: Was a long walk to Pittsburgh. That this and that
Speaker 1: might be the most real natural reaction we ever got
Speaker 1: in seven years from an audience. Was that moment right?
Speaker 1: That gasp was so natural? It was just such a
Speaker 1: cold Yeah, that was awesome. That was very cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that when we get to eleven years.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Should we do a little too
Speaker 1: much shirts, Yes, yes, this is a very short one.
Speaker 1: It was pretty remarkable that. Indeed, I didn't notice me
Speaker 1: in the episode. Yeah, I was like, because when we've
Speaker 1: watched the show before, he was always like, Dad, you
Speaker 1: were so good, and this one is like all about me.
Speaker 1: He didn't. You could tell like I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: it to talk about it. He doesn't, doesn't even notice.
Speaker 1: He just loved the mortgage storyline. And then turns out
Speaker 1: this is the first episode of Boy because world my
Speaker 1: wife has ever seen. Really wow, wait, did you not
Speaker 1: know she had never seen an episode? We should do
Speaker 1: a podcast where we start over and watch it with her.
Speaker 1: May think we should do a podcast where we talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that you guys have never talked about
Speaker 1: this before. You've literally never said have you ever seen
Speaker 1: an episode? It just never came up. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know she had never watched it, like she you know,
Speaker 1: she said like, oh I didn't watch your show. I
Speaker 1: was too old, like she she was a generation she's
Speaker 1: four years older than me, so she missed it in
Speaker 1: that regard um and and yeah, listen it's quick. That
Speaker 1: was my favorite episode really? Yeah? Why so far? Well
Speaker 1: there were some sad parts too. What happened with my character?
Speaker 1: You didn't get any presence when you were? Said? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why didn't I get any presents? As you understand that,
Speaker 1: it's because my dad got laid off. Do you know
Speaker 1: what that means? It means my dad lost his job.
Speaker 1: Anything else? Favorite joke from the episode? I like whenever
Speaker 1: did the sand Apart? Yeah, that was a pretty funny storylines.
Speaker 1: Oh when Will pretended that he was Santa dying? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. Did you like the episode? Mom?
Speaker 1: Is this the first time you've seen Boimi's World? Mom?
Speaker 1: It is? What? Yeah, that's pretty crazy. You've never seen
Speaker 1: a single episode on help me? Like now, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It does seem kind of crazy, Like it never occurred
Speaker 1: to her to sit down and watch her husband's childhood
Speaker 1: TV show. It's creepy watching your husband when they're twelve.
Speaker 1: It now, no friends, dad better looking as a twelve
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, yeah, so that that was indistinct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I didn't quite I never thought about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it weirds her out to say. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I you know, we we started dating on a TV
Speaker 1: show together, um, and we've you know, had various experiences
Speaker 1: watching each other's work, but not I guess she just
Speaker 1: never went back. It's probably one of those things that's
Speaker 1: so ubiquitous, like in our lives. It's like one of
Speaker 1: those things that you know, it's obviously a huge part
Speaker 1: of my public life, but it's just never been a
Speaker 1: part of our private life. And so yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize when we sat down to watch it, um, that
Speaker 1: that she had never seen. Oh that's so funny. Even
Speaker 1: with all the discussion about the we're doing a rewatch podcast,
Speaker 1: it's never come up. Hey maybe I should watch one.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Tony Quinn came up with the idea
Speaker 1: for this podcast, how did you not say, Alex watch
Speaker 1: an episode? Yeah, I don't know. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think it probably makes her uncomfortable, like
Speaker 1: she makes the joke about like seeing me as creepy.
Speaker 1: But I think it's also just I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's a huge it's it's such a
Speaker 1: huge part of my it's a it's a huge part
Speaker 1: of my public identity. But I very much Downplayboy and
Speaker 1: The's world in my private life for obviously, Like and
Speaker 1: I think, especially when we first met when I was
Speaker 1: twenty six, it was very important for me to downplay
Speaker 1: you know, like if people, if somebody recognized me or
Speaker 1: was a fan of the show, it would be very
Speaker 1: hard for me to get over, Like, it would be
Speaker 1: very hard for me to to to become friends with
Speaker 1: that person or to like bridge that gap. Now I
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, now I'm old enough and passed
Speaker 1: it enough that but I think when we first started dating,
Speaker 1: it was probably part of our you know, coupling, for
Speaker 1: her to not care and to not just to completely
Speaker 1: disregard this huge part of my life. And so I
Speaker 1: think now to be confronted with it is just bizarre.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't. I couldn't go on a date with
Speaker 1: a woman unless she'd seen every single episode only dated
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, let's let's talk about me on
Speaker 1: this show and then we'll talk about that. Do you
Speaker 1: remember my ho ho because killed about that? Yes, you
Speaker 1: can order the dessert that was that was that was
Speaker 1: dating for me. Oh man, wow, that was great. Thank
Speaker 1: you writer, and thank you Indee, thank you Alex. So.
Speaker 1: Then there is a knock at the back door, Alan yelle,
Speaker 1: somebody's at the back door. And then this is one
Speaker 1: of those moments I can't believe I did remember Bill, Santa,
Speaker 1: did you remember this, Danielle about this? Should have remembered that, Santa,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so funny. No, and it's it's
Speaker 1: absolutely hilarious. Morgan eventually opens the back door. Mr Feenie
Speaker 1: is there, addressed to Santa Claus. She yells, look everyone,
Speaker 1: he's alive. Poenie is a very stiff Santa Claus. He's
Speaker 1: actually just Mr Feenie Bury Foster in a red suit
Speaker 1: writes itself, it's so good, so good. Once whoever the
Speaker 1: whichever writer came up with the idea, and then well
Speaker 1: have Phoenie come and posted. Santa is just yes, like
Speaker 1: that's a funny scene. There's a ten different ways to
Speaker 1: write it doesn't matter. All of them are funny, exactly
Speaker 1: and by the way, this entire scene would have been
Speaker 1: just as funny even if nobody spoke, if Bill just people,
Speaker 1: nobody even needed to say anything. The scene was just
Speaker 1: so great. But watching also Betsy laugh at him like
Speaker 1: it's it's just such a like I felt like I
Speaker 1: was wrapped in a warm hug watching this family interact
Speaker 1: with Mr Feinie in this way. It was also very nice.
Speaker 1: You know, we've only had little glimpses of feeling like
Speaker 1: Mr Feinie is a member of their family, you know,
Speaker 1: like a part of like a part of the Matthews story,
Speaker 1: like when he came over to borrow he wanted some
Speaker 1: Halloween candy in that episode where he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, these aren't and it was like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're friendly. He could go and talk to them
Speaker 1: as neighbors and kind of um and so having him
Speaker 1: agreed to participate in this made it feel like they're
Speaker 1: a close they're close, which I really liked. Um the
Speaker 1: father the family gathers around for a picture and Morgan
Speaker 1: asks why Sannah looks like Mr Feenie, And then we
Speaker 1: go into the credits and we're in the Matthews living room.
Speaker 1: We we we never we should have really touched upon
Speaker 1: this with the Grandma as a rolling stone, the freeze
Speaker 1: frame ending, and with the grammall as a rolling stone.
Speaker 1: Not only get at freeze frame on the high five.
Speaker 1: Then Kukar Racha played like this is the most dated transition,
Speaker 1: Like I'm assuming TV shows, Daniel, you're still directing kids
Speaker 1: shows right now, so they don't do the freeze frame ending.
Speaker 1: It's like there's there's a couple of classic endings right
Speaker 1: like everybody dancing it's always like or the like everybody
Speaker 1: laughing everybody or the freeze frame. Oh my god. That's
Speaker 1: why one of the one of the greatest shows of
Speaker 1: all time was from the Files of Police Squad that
Speaker 1: they ended up making. All of the Police Squad movies
Speaker 1: from would always end where the actors would freeze, but
Speaker 1: they were they were just so they were like they'd
Speaker 1: be pouring coffee and then the coffee would like spill
Speaker 1: over their hands and they're trying to hold that as
Speaker 1: the cup is falling out and they're just trying to
Speaker 1: hold the thing. Was great, it was. That's funny. Also,
Speaker 1: I have to say Alex's reaction to the opening credits
Speaker 1: is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. She
Speaker 1: was like, what is happening? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: a band aid what is And like I kept trying
Speaker 1: to shush her because it's like India's favorite thing. He
Speaker 1: loves the opening credits. He never lets me skip them.
Speaker 1: But Alex could not believe. She's like, was this real?
Speaker 1: Is this? Is this really what the opening credits from? Like? Yes,
Speaker 1: but she she it struck her is the most dated, ridiculous,
Speaker 1: over the top thig. I was like, yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Alex, and I know Danielle's with you about
Speaker 1: the song. Yeah, Andy loves it. So what do we know?
Speaker 1: What do we know? So funny? I know, and you
Speaker 1: know we get sent things on Instagram all the time
Speaker 1: of um children, even babies reacting to the theme song.
Speaker 1: So we yeah, we just recently had when somebody sent
Speaker 1: me and I think I think I re instagrammed it.
Speaker 1: It was um a mom saying watch his reaction, and
Speaker 1: she's just videotaping her babysitting in his high chair and
Speaker 1: then this the show comes on in the back and
Speaker 1: the baby goes and turns around and then cannot take
Speaker 1: his eyes off the TV. He's like the shows on
Speaker 1: So it definitely it has its it has its hooks
Speaker 1: and people. Uh So, in this case, the freeze frame
Speaker 1: ending at least does make a little bit of sense
Speaker 1: because they were taking a picture, So at least I
Speaker 1: agree with you. It is a big trope and not
Speaker 1: the best transition, but at least in this case, I
Speaker 1: thought it was cute that you get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: see what their picture turned out like. Um and so
Speaker 1: in the tag, Amy and Morgan are singing jingle bells
Speaker 1: at the piano, but Morgan is singing the jingle bells
Speaker 1: Batman smells version a different version by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the commissioner breaks his leg. I'd never heard that version before.
Speaker 1: I have heard it, but it's not coming. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear that line happened. I was like, oh, I guess
Speaker 1: I just never knew the full song, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was and joker got away. The joker got away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's always how i'd heard it.
Speaker 1: I've never heard then the commissioner broke his leg. It's like,
Speaker 1: what I bring Commissioner Gordon into this. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 1: a whole other thing. Okay, who knows what that one
Speaker 1: was from, but she says that Corey taught her that
Speaker 1: and uh then Betsy sings the real version of it.
Speaker 1: Um and so the big lesson of this episode is
Speaker 1: that Christmas is not all about gifts and it's about
Speaker 1: real friendships. Also, nobody ever let Santa die is apparently
Speaker 1: what this is about. So a really fun episode. I
Speaker 1: love it. UM. Next week we are going to be
Speaker 1: sitting down and talking with Angela herself, Miss Trina McGee.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. We are recapping season one, episode eleven,
Speaker 1: the Father Son Game. Uh. It's the first UM script
Speaker 1: and only script of Boy Meets World, written by Bill Lawrence,
Speaker 1: who is the executive producer and creator of Scrubs and
Speaker 1: Ted Lasso, so and Lawrence millions done everything, but also
Speaker 1: one of the people in the running for potentially being
Speaker 1: the person who named to Panga Pangas to Panga Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Everybody claims that they named every four or five people.
Speaker 1: Right now, we have at least four UM and I
Speaker 1: think one of those people I have I have put
Speaker 1: on myself as being I thought Susan is stell Jansen
Speaker 1: told me that she named to Panga. But maybe maybe
Speaker 1: my memory of that is incorrect and I shouldn't put
Speaker 1: that on her. But I think we have Michael claiming
Speaker 1: he named her, Jeff Sherman claims he named to Panga.
Speaker 1: Bill Lawrence claims he named to Panga and Susan and Susan.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I am very excited for next week. I
Speaker 1: know we all are. We're really excited to have Trina
Speaker 1: here and it's going to be a great episode. So
Speaker 1: make sure you stick with us. You can follow us
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Speaker 1: This has been really fun. We're just plugging away. We're
Speaker 1: now almost halfway through the season. Wow. Yeah, I writer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just praising my hand to be the one
Speaker 1: to say love you all. Pod dismissed. But I think
Speaker 1: think it's your turn, writer. I think I mean the
Speaker 1: way you guys ended the last one was so good
Speaker 1: and so no I was. It was so good and
Speaker 1: Will got to take it. So this one's your. We
Speaker 1: love you all, pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is an
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